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                                                                                               1       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: The November 2nd, 2006
                          BEFORE THE VILLAGE OF DOWNERS GROVE
                              BOARD OF PARK COMMISSIONERS                           00:00:02   2    Downers Grove Park District Board meeting is called
                                                                                    00:00:04   3    to order. Roll call, please?
                 IN RE THE MATTER OF :        )
                                              )                                     00:00:06   4        MS. BENDER: Mr. Gelwicks?
                 Meeting Minutes              )
                                                                                    00:00:08   5        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Here.
                              BOARD OF PARK COMMISSIONERS MEETING
                                        November 2, 2006                            00:00:08   6        MS. BENDER: Mr. Jaros?
                                       7:00 o'clock P.M.
                                                                                    00:00:10   7        MR. JAROS: Here.
                                 PROCEEDINGS HAD before the VILLAGE OF
                                                                                    00:00:10   8        MS. BENDER: Miss Mahoney?
                 DOWNERS GROVE BOARD OF PARK COMMISSIONERS , taken at
                                                                                    00:00:12   9        MS. MAHONEY: Here.
                 the Downers Grove Village Hall , 801 Burlington

                 Avenue , Downers Grove , Illinois , before Marlane K.
                                                                                    00:00:12   10       MS. BENDER: Mr. Salazar?

                 Marshall , C.S.R., License #084 -001134 , a Notary                 00:00:14   11       MR. SALAZAR: Here.

                 Public qualified and commissioned for the State of                 00:00:14   12       MS. BENDER: Miss Sleeter?
                 Illinois .                                                         00:00:14   13       MS. SLEETER: Here.
                                                                                    00:00:16   14       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Would all please rise
                                                                                    00:00:16   15   for the Pledge of Allegiance?
                                                                                    00:00:34   16                   (Whereupon the Pledge of
                                                                                    00:00:36   17                   Allegiance was recited.)
                                                                                    00:00:36   18       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Madam Secretary, do we
                                                                                    00:00:44   19   have any communications to share tonight?
                                                                                    00:00:46   20       MS. MAHONEY: No, I don't.
                                                                                    00:00:46   21       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Anybody on the board
                                                                                    00:00:50   22   have anything they would like to share?
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        1    BOARD OF PARK COMMISSIONERS PRESENT:
        2           MR. ROBERT J. GELWICKS, President                               00:00:50   1        MR. SALAZAR: Not at this time.
        3           MS. JANIS S. SLEETER, Vice-President
                                                                                    00:00:52   2        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Okay. We have an
        4           MR. ARTHUR G. JAROS, Treasurer
        5           MS. CATHERINE C. MAHONEY, Secretary                             00:00:54   3    opportunity for visitors to address the board. If
        6           MR. MICHAEL E. SALAZAR Commissioner
        7                                                                           00:00:56   4    any visitor would like to come forward and address
        8    PARK DISTRICT STAFF PRESENT:                                           00:00:58   5    the board, you're welcome to do that at this time.
        9           MR. DAN A. CERMAK, Administrator
       10           MR. TODD REESE, Director of                                     00:01:02   6    I would let you know that we have a public hearing
                       Parks                                                        00:01:04   7    right after this session which is with regards to
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                         MS. ELSA M. FISCHER, Director of                           00:01:08   8    the alternate revenue source bonding that we
       12                  Recreation
                                                                                    00:01:10   9    talked about, and you have another opportunity to
       13                MS. KAREN I. SHANNON, Director of                          00:01:12   10   address that particular issue during that hearing.
                           Facilities
       14                                                                           00:01:16   11   But other topics are welcome to be addressed at
                         MS. DEBORAH J. UTECHT, Administrative                      00:01:18   12   this time.
       15                  Service Manager
                                                                                    00:01:18   13       MS. LAUREL BOWEN: Good evening. My name is
       16                MS. DARCY BERG, Project Manager                            00:01:24   14   Laurel Bowen, 829 Clyde Drive. I am continually

       17                MR. WILLIAM PEARCH, Public                                 00:01:30   15   astounded by the decisions being made by the majority
                           Information Supervisor
                                                                                    00:01:32   16   of this park board. There are some important
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                         MS. DEBBIE BENDER, Clerk                                   00:01:36   17   decisions being made with taxpayer dollars being
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                                                                                    00:01:38   18   wasted. Under the premise of liability you have
       20                                                                           00:01:42   19   sunk money into an ineffective weather forecasting
             ALSO PRESENT:
       21                                                                           00:01:46   20   system called Thorguard. That should be returned
                         MR. DOUGLAS GOTHAM, Christopher B.                         00:01:48   21   for a refund.
       22                  Burke Engineering, Ltd.
                                                                                    00:01:50   22            Without care for the liability of athlete
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 00:01:54   1    injuries -- and there have already been athletic                    00:04:12   1    details. The fact of the matter is 1.3 million was

 00:01:58   2    injuries at Doerhoefer Park, you sunk $1 million                    00:04:14   2    spent at Doerhoefer. The fact of the matter was

 00:02:04   3    into Astroturf. This summer a Big Ten midwestern                    00:04:16   3    it cost us about $3,000, $5,000 a year to maintain

 00:02:08   4    university decided not to install Astroturf citing                  00:04:20   4    that field before we did it, and it costs depending

 00:02:12   5    expense and potential for injuries being prohibitive.               00:04:22   5    on how you do cost accounting now somewhere between

 00:02:14   6    Now the Downers Grove Park District is finding itself               00:04:24   6    fifteen and thirty-five thousand roughly. And we

 00:02:18   7    in financial straits, and you wonder why we taxpayers               00:04:28   7    can argue that point later. And had we not put

 00:02:20   8    can't spend more money than we have. And you should                 00:04:30   8    synthetic turf, if we didn't put in Astroturf at

 00:02:24   9    not be spending more of our money without asking                    00:04:32   9    all, we would have expended $1.3 million. But the

 00:02:26   10   the voters in a referendum. This park board must                    00:04:36   10   point remains can we just let the people have their

 00:02:30   11   consider what the people want considering the last                  00:04:38   11   say and move on with it and not quibble?

 00:02:34   12   taxpayers' tax rate referendum. Please begin                        00:04:40   12        MR. JAROS: After you just violated your own

 00:02:36   13   representing us by asking for our approval before                   00:04:44   13   principle which you just announced, Commissioner

 00:02:40   14   going into deeper debt.                                             00:04:46   14   Salazar.

 00:02:44   15        MR. JAROS: Just a comment. We have not spent                   00:04:46   15        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do I have any other visitors

 00:02:46   16   $1 million on Astroturf. That is an incorrect                       00:04:50   16   who would like to address the board at this time?

 00:02:50   17   statement. It is nowhere close to the truth as to                   00:04:56   17              The next agenda item for the park board

 00:02:52   18   what the Astroturfing of the Doerhoefer field cost.                 00:05:00   18   is a public hearing to receive public comments on

 00:02:58   19        MS. SLEETER: But the total was over a million                  00:05:02   19   the proposal to sell $2.9 million in general

 00:03:00   20   three for all the field enhancements.                               00:05:06   20   obligation park bonds alternate revenue source for

 00:03:02   21        MR. JAROS: Commissioner Sleeter, I am just                     00:05:10   21   the payment of land condemned or purchased for parks

 00:03:04   22   responding to the visitor's statement which is                      00:05:14   22   for the building, maintaining, improving and

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 00:03:06   1    inaccurate.                                                         00:05:14   1    protecting of the same and the existing land

 00:03:06   2         MS. SLEETER: And I was just responding on                      00:05:18   2    facilities of the park district and for the payment

 00:03:08   3    what the total spent was.                                           00:05:20   3    of the expenses incident thereto and explain that

 00:03:10   4         MR. JAROS: That was not what the visitor was                   00:05:24   4    all persons desiring to be heard on this will have

 00:03:12   5    commenting on. She was commenting on the                            00:05:28   5    an opportunity either through written or oral

 00:03:14   6    Astroturfing.                                                       00:05:28   6    testimony tonight. I think there's a mistake in

 00:03:16   7         MS. LAUREL BOWEN: Excuse me. If I could                        00:05:32   7    the way it's written because I think we took the

 00:03:20   8    respond, the cost was over a million dollars for                    00:05:36   8    payment of land or purchased out of the ordinance.

 00:03:22   9    that field. Thank you.                                              00:05:40   9    But this note that I have to read is different

 00:03:24   10        MR. JAROS: The cost of the Astroturfing was a                  00:05:42   10   from that, so I apologize for that.

 00:03:28   11   fraction of that figure, less than half in order to                 00:05:44   11              I now open the discussion to the board.

 00:03:32   12   greatly increase the capacity of the field from under               00:05:50   12   Anybody?

 00:03:36   13   two months a year of use to eleven months of use                    00:05:50   13        MS. SLEETER: Just one comment I would like

 00:03:40   14   on a much more intensive basis. It was like adding                  00:05:54   14   to make. Based on what was actually said at the

 00:03:44   15   several fields of natural turf. And the majority                    00:05:56   15   last meeting, a number of citizens were under the

 00:03:48   16   of the board felt that that incremental cost of                     00:06:00   16   impression that the 30-day time clock on submitting

 00:03:52   17   Astroturfing which was way, way less than $1 million                00:06:06   17   petitions if they did not agree with the general

 00:03:54   18   was well worth the cost to add playing fields for                   00:06:12   18   obligation alternate revenue source was going to

 00:03:58   19   our residents.                                                      00:06:16   19   start with the hearing. It actually started with

 00:04:04   20        MR. SALAZAR: Could I just put out something?                   00:06:18   20   the newspaper ad. I myself for some reason didn't

 00:04:06   21   Could we just let people make their comments? Unless                00:06:24   21   have that totally clear in my mind either. I knew

 00:04:08   22   they're out of order let's not quibble with the                     00:06:28   22   we needed the newspaper ad to get the ball rolling,
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 00:06:30   1    but I mistakenly thought that also the 30-day would               00:08:48   1    levy to pay for them. So that means if we issue
 00:06:36   2    go from the hearing. So I just want to make sure                  00:08:52   2    these bonds we have to figure out a way to pay for
 00:06:38   3    that in the future that we make it very clear exactly             00:08:54   3    them within our existing tax cap revenues. I believe
 00:06:42   4    when all of the different deadlines start kicking                 00:09:00   4    that our existing tax cap revenues are sufficient
 00:06:46   5    in when something like this happens again.                        00:09:04   5    to pay for the new bond issuance. Therefore, it
 00:06:50   6             And one other comment that I had received                00:09:08   6    has been my position that I am opposed to issuing
 00:06:52   7    is that a lot of people don't really read the                     00:09:10   7    the regular general obligation bonds that would
 00:06:54   8    classified section of the Reporter. And they had                  00:09:12   8    have a tax increase since we really don't need a
 00:07:00   9    suggested that if possible it would be very nice                  00:09:16   9    tax increase.
 00:07:02   10   to have these types of notices in the main section                00:09:18   10             As everyone, I believe, is now aware, next
 00:07:06   11   of the newspapers going forward.                                  00:09:22   11   month we will have completed over the last couple
 00:07:12   12       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do we control that, Dan?                  00:09:24   12   years paying off a total of $7 million in
 00:07:14   13       MR. CERMAK: We have never. We typically                       00:09:30   13   indebtedness issues on an installment basis. The
 00:07:16   14   would -- I am sorry. We typically would simply                    00:09:34   14   last installment will be made this December. $7
 00:07:22   15   call the newspaper and tell them we had a legal                   00:09:36   15   million that had been on our books and declining
 00:07:26   16   notice to publish and they would publish where                    00:09:38   16   with each year's payment will have been completely
 00:07:28   17   they saw fit. We do not control it.                               00:09:42   17   wiped off our books. And I believe that it is
 00:07:30   18       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: I mean I think it's a                     00:09:46   18   appropriate to issue no tax bonds that will come
 00:07:32   19   fair thing to try and get it into a place that's                  00:09:50   19   out of our regular budget in order to preserve the
 00:07:36   20   most likely read. I saw where one of the local                    00:09:54   20   liquidity of the park district.
 00:07:40   21   public bodies had theirs in the middle of the sports              00:09:58   21             The board -- A majority of the board has
 00:07:44   22   section this week. So it's sort of interesting                    00:10:00   22   approved some unusually large amounts of capital

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 00:07:46   1    how that was placed there. I think that's a fair                  00:10:04   1    projects which were deemed appropriate including
 00:07:50   2    comment.                                                          00:10:08   2    maintaining the program to restore the streambanks
 00:07:50   3        MR. CERMAK: We can look into that.                            00:10:14   3    at Lyman Woods which is ongoing, including the
 00:07:52   4        MR. JAROS: Mr. President, on the matter of                    00:10:18   4    Doerhoefer Park renovation that we have just spoken
 00:07:54   5    the public hearing of the alternate revenue source                00:10:20   5    about which was not limited to but included the
 00:07:58   6    bonds, are you taking discussion from board members?              00:10:24   6    Astroturfing as one component, and more recently
 00:08:02   7        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Yes.                                      00:10:30   7    the Whitlock Park field improvements. These were
 00:08:02   8        MR. JAROS: We have already had one hearing                    00:10:32   8    all done because I believe a majority of the board
 00:08:04   9    on the more traditional kind of bond which is this                00:10:34   9    felt that these capital outlays which would be of
 00:08:06   10   regular general obligation bond which under state                 00:10:38   10   long-term use to the community were worth the cost.
 00:08:08   11   law if this board approves issuance does not require              00:10:42   11   But there isn't enough cash left on hand in the
 00:08:12   12   referendum and would result in a new tax, a special               00:10:48   12   district or there will not be come the end of this
 00:08:18   13   debt service tax each year to pay for those bonds.                00:10:50   13   fiscal year, May 31 of '07, because of the volume
 00:08:22   14   Having had the hearing at one of our more recent                  00:11:00   14   of capital improvement. This was known to the
 00:08:24   15   meetings we're in a position to approve those, or                 00:11:02   15   entire board including the majority it always being
 00:08:26   16   as an alternative we can explore these alternate                  00:11:06   16   contemplated that we would fund these capital
 00:08:30   17   revenue bonds.                                                    00:11:08   17   improvements on a long-term bonded basis just the
 00:08:32   18            Under the state law if we issue these                    00:11:14   18   same as if someone buys a home that he doesn't
 00:08:34   19   bonds the public does have a right to petition to                 00:11:18   19   have cash to pay for. He anticipates buying a home
 00:08:38   20   block their issuance. But the interesting thing is                00:11:22   20   using mortgage money. And then the cost of that
 00:08:40   21   that these bonds are not allowed a tax increase.                  00:11:24   21   money that he can't pay cash for day one is paid for
 00:08:44   22   They are not allowed their own new debt service                   00:11:28   22   over twenty or thirty years of a working lifetime.
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 00:11:32   1         MR. SALAZAR: Could I have a point of                            00:14:08   1    have to incur because of excessive spending. It

 00:11:34   2    clarification here? Okay.                                            00:14:12   2    makes no more sense to borrow money for twenty years
 00:11:36   3         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Mike, let him finish and                    00:14:16   3    for a district of our size than it does for the
 00:11:40   4    then you can do a point of clarification.                            00:14:18   4    average family to go out and borrow money to buy a

 00:11:42   5         MR. SALAZAR: That's fine.                                       00:14:22   5    car which ought to be paid off in two, three, four
 00:11:44   6         MR. JAROS: So the sense has been that we would                  00:14:24   6    or five years over twenty years. It's a similar
 00:11:46   7    issue some type of bonds to cover the cost on a                      00:14:28   7    expense proportionately.
 00:11:52   8    long-term basis, and then people who live here over                  00:14:30   8              Now, if long-term bonds are to be made we
 00:11:56   9    the lifetime of the projects would pay in gradually                  00:14:36   9    have two options before us here. And again I want
 00:12:00   10   the cost of the improvements with, of course, the                    00:14:40   10   to -- Short-term is cheaper for the taxpayers in
 00:12:04   11   interest on the bonds. Fortunately interest rates                    00:14:42   11   aggregate. Now, there are no no tax increase bonds.
 00:12:06   12   are still relatively low for our district, and                       00:14:48   12   The only difference between these bonds is the park
 00:12:10   13   that's probably a net positive for us.                               00:14:50   13   district can go out and borrow without the consent
 00:12:12   14             So given the choice of issuing tax increase                00:14:54   14   of the taxpayer ten or eleven million dollars,
 00:12:18   15   bonds or no tax increase bonds with right of                         00:14:58   15   something like that. If we do the alternative
 00:12:20   16   referendum, I favor the latter. And those are the                    00:15:00   16   revenue bonds, the park board can still go out and
 00:12:24   17   bonds for which we're having the public hearing                      00:15:06   17   borrow ten or eleven million dollars. What borrowing
 00:12:24   18   tonight. Thank you, Mr. President.                                   00:15:12   18   with no referendum bonds does is it puts discipline
 00:12:26   19        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Your point of clarification?                00:15:16   19   on the board so then we will have $3 million less
 00:12:28   20        MR. SALAZAR: Right. The statement is made that                  00:15:20   20   available to borrow. My theory here is that if the
 00:12:32   21   the board knew that they were spending more money                    00:15:24   21   board spends more money than it has, it's
 00:12:34   22   than we had or something to that effect. It's true                   00:15:30   22   demonstrated our propensity for debt. So then it's

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 00:12:42   1    that a budget was passed that called for more money                  00:15:34   1    logical to assume there is a possibility that this
 00:12:46   2    to be spent than we had available, but that's not                    00:15:38   2    board or future boards might go out and spend $10
 00:12:50   3    the same thing as saying the entire board agreed with                00:15:42   3    million on something else. So what you have is
 00:12:54   4    that. I, for one, didn't agree with spending more                    00:15:44   4    the $3 million worth of alternative revenue bonds
 00:12:56   5    money than we had.                                                   00:15:48   5    plus $10 million worth of new bonds. So, in other
 00:12:58   6              And I would like to clarify this issue of                  00:15:50   6    words, you have $13 million of new debt.

 00:13:02   7    no tax increase bonds. There are no no tax increase                  00:15:52   7              The other thing is that the interest cost
 00:13:08   8    bonds. Both bonds that we're considering here are                    00:15:56   8    with the alternative revenue bonds is slightly higher
 00:13:14   9    general obligations. Now, first off my preference                    00:16:02   9    than the regular GO bonds. So again since the
 00:13:18   10   here is not to issue the long-term debt to cover a                   00:16:04   10   taxpayers are footing the bill for these things
 00:13:20   11   short-term cash flow -- cash shortage. We have about                 00:16:10   11   we ought to do it in the cheapest way possible.
 00:13:30   12   a $3 million shortfall here. It would be cheaper                     00:16:12   12   The cheapest way possible is short-term debt. If
 00:13:32   13   to the taxpayers in aggregate if we borrowed that                    00:16:14   13   not the cheapest way possible being short-term debt,
 00:13:36   14   $3 million for a short period of time, one, two,                     00:16:16   14   the next cheapest way possible using long-term
 00:13:40   15   three, four, five years rather than twenty years.                    00:16:20   15   debt, which is by definition more expensive, would
 00:13:44   16   Borrowing money for twenty years costs more than                     00:16:22   16   be the regular GOs. The most expensive of way to

 00:13:46   17   borrowing money for two, three, four or five years                   00:16:26   17   borrow this $3 million for this cash shortfall or
 00:13:50   18   if the interest rate curve is flat, the difference                   00:16:28   18   almost the most expensive way. There are more
 00:13:54   19   being you're paying more over a short period of                      00:16:30   19   expensive ways to do it. But if you have those three

 00:13:56   20   time. If we were to restrain our spending in the                     00:16:34   20   choices short-term, two, three, four, five years,
 00:14:00   21   next two, three, four, five years, we could easily                   00:16:38   21   GO for the twenty years or alternative GO for twenty
 00:14:02   22   pay off $3 million worth of excess debt that we                      00:16:42   22   years, the most expensive way is the alternative
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 00:16:44   1    GO in real dollars.                                              00:19:18   1    as a financial discipline. It's critical to
 00:16:48   2         MS. SLEETER: One item I would like to clarify.              00:19:22   2    understand how that works so you can see the
 00:16:52   3    I agree with Commissioner Jaros on one point, but                00:19:24   3    difference between the two types of bonds that are
 00:16:56   4    I would like to clarify it somewhat. The general                 00:19:26   4    under consideration. The way the tax cap law works
 00:17:00   5    obligation bonds without the alternative revenue                 00:19:32   5    is it says that we are limited in the amount of
 00:17:02   6    would be an additional tax levy line item. You still             00:19:36   6    dollar increases from year to year in our regular
 00:17:08   7    have to pay for the bonds. And by the way I would                00:19:40   7    operating taxes based on the rate of inflation and
 00:17:12   8    word it slightly differently is that any tax increase            00:19:48   8    new construction. So we're limited as to how many
 00:17:16   9    that might be needed to cover the payments on the                00:19:52   9    new dollars of tax we can add on to the prior year
 00:17:18   10   alternate revenue source bonds would be included                 00:19:56   10   tax amount. The effect of the tax cap is twofold.
 00:17:22   11   under the tax cap. If you want to keep the rest                  00:20:00   11   With respect to the average property owner, that
 00:17:26   12   of the funds available or increase the other funds               00:20:04   12   means an owner whose property is increasing or
 00:17:30   13   available for everything else but debt you will                  00:20:08   13   decreasing in value at the average rate of all
 00:17:34   14   have to have some type of an increase, but it would              00:20:12   14   taxable property in the district -- that's what I
 00:17:36   15   be subject to the tax cap on the annual spending                 00:20:14   15   mean by the average property owner -- the effect
 00:17:40   16   issue. So that may be somewhat of a fine point,                  00:20:18   16   of the tax cap is to limit his particular increase
 00:17:44   17   but I did want to clarify that.                                  00:20:22   17   to the rate of inflation. So in a perfect world
 00:17:46   18               And one of the things is that some of this           00:20:26   18   there wouldn't be inflation, but we know there is.
 00:17:52   19   spending in the opinion of the minority of the                   00:20:28   19   And in a perfect world with inflation hopefully
 00:17:56   20   board could have potentially been spread out over                00:20:32   20   everybody's income would adjust by the rate of
 00:17:58   21   maybe two or three years rather than all three --                00:20:34   21   inflation because if it doesn't, if you don't get
 00:18:02   22   all of this being done in one year. So I think                   00:20:38   22   inflation adjustments you're falling behind; your

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 00:18:04   1    there's some various reasons for differences on                  00:20:42   1    dollars aren't worth as much. So if everybody gets
 00:18:08   2    this. And I didn't vote for within the last twelve               00:20:44   2    an inflation adjustment, then the park district gets
 00:18:14   3    months the six hundred plus thousand for the purchase            00:20:48   3    its inflation adjustment from you because your
 00:18:16   4    of the properties at Curtiss, the money for                      00:20:52   4    property tax to the park district will go up just
 00:18:20   5    Doerhoefer or Whitlock. And it's again various                   00:20:56   5    by the rate of inflation meaning the dollars we
 00:18:24   6    people had various reasons for different things.                 00:20:58   6    get from you are more but they're worth the same
 00:18:26   7    But I felt it could be spread out and we would not               00:21:00   7    as they were the prior year because it's just an
 00:18:30   8    necessarily have had to do this. Or we could have                00:21:02   8    inflation adjustment.
 00:18:32   9    waited until we had numbers for the additional part              00:21:04   9              That's the impact of the tax cap law on
 00:18:38   10   of Lyman Woods and possibly gone to a referendum for             00:21:08   10   the average property owner. But the district also
 00:18:42   11   some of this Lyman Woods business. So I thought                  00:21:12   11   is allowed to tax property that has come into the
 00:18:44   12   that there were some other ways potentially to spread            00:21:16   12   district for the first time from annexation, from
 00:18:48   13   this out.                                                        00:21:20   13   enlarging the boundaries. So if those people come
 00:18:48   14               And there are pros and cons to both the              00:21:22   14   in we can also tax them at the same rate as our
 00:18:50   15   alternate revenue and the general obligation bonds,              00:21:26   15   existing property owners and we get an additional
 00:18:54   16   but I thought we could work around that and do                   00:21:28   16   amount from the people that have just come in the
 00:18:58   17   something in a different structure.                              00:21:32   17   district or the people that build new property in
 00:19:00   18        MR. JAROS: I would like to comment that I                   00:21:34   18   the district. That property can also be taxed which
 00:19:02   19   agree with what our vice-president has said about                00:21:36   19   allows the district to grow, to actually add some
 00:19:06   20   the nature of these bonds. The key concept that                  00:21:42   20   real dollars but not at the expense of existing
 00:19:10   21   she has mentioned is the concept of the tax cap law              00:21:44   21   property owners.
 00:19:14   22   which Springfield has seen fit to impose upon us                 00:21:46   22             Now, here's the difference: With the
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 00:21:50   1    alternate revenue bonds we have to pay for those out           00:24:18   1    improvements are good for the community; we don't
 00:21:56   2    of that tax cap stream. We can't add a new tax to              00:24:22   2    think we should wait ten or fifteen years to
 00:21:58   3    pay for those bonds. With the general obligation               00:24:26   3    accumulate enough cash which would meet with its
 00:22:02   4    bonds that have no right of referendum we                      00:24:28   4    own criticism for accumulating cash because we
 00:22:04   5    automatically add a new tax on top of the tax cap.             00:24:34   5    have gotten that criticism in the past when we have
 00:22:10   6    So under either scenario your board can add the                00:24:36   6    accumulated a lot of cash. So if we did wait then
 00:22:14   7    maximum tax cap increase, but with the general                 00:24:40   7    yes, we save the interest charges on the bonds,
 00:22:18   8    obligation bonds it can add a tax increase on top              00:24:42   8    that's true, but then the community doesn't have
 00:22:22   9    of it, a real tax increase. And that's why I                   00:24:44   9    the use of the facilities just like you wouldn't
 00:22:26   10   disagree with Commissioner Salazar when I called               00:24:46   10   have the use of the house if you waited until you
 00:22:30   11   general obligation bonds tax increase bonds because            00:24:50   11   had accumulated the cash to pay a hundred percent
 00:22:34   12   they have their own tax increase and that increase             00:24:52   12   cash for the house.
 00:22:36   13   is on top of whatever increase is allowed for the              00:24:54   13            So this is a matter of judgment. As the
 00:22:40   14   rate of inflation and new construction that we get             00:24:56   14   vice-president indicated, we can disagree in good
 00:22:42   15   in any event. So greater discipline is actually                00:24:58   15   spirit on whether that was wise or not. The fact
 00:22:48   16   imposed upon us by issuing the alternate revenue               00:25:02   16   is the majority of the board has approved those
 00:22:50   17   bonds because we don't get more money to pay for               00:25:04   17   payments. That's a done decision. And what it
 00:22:54   18   those bonds each year. We have to figure out a                 00:25:06   18   leaves us with is because of those capital outlays
 00:22:58   19   way to pay for them within the tax cap money. So               00:25:12   19   we will be out of cash by the end of this fiscal
 00:23:02   20   I strongly disagree with Commissioner Salazar on his           00:25:14   20   year. Right now we have plenty of cash because our
 00:23:04   21   analysis of this.                                              00:25:18   21   second installment real estate taxes just came in.
 00:23:06   22             I do agree with our Vice-President Sleeter           00:25:20   22   We have, I believe, over $4 million in the bank

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 00:23:10   1    that yes, the majority of the board could have                 00:25:22   1    right now. But through our annual cycle because
 00:23:14   2    deferred some of these items. But then we would                00:25:26   2    we draw down since our taxes come in in June and
 00:23:16   3    be deferring even more items because we don't have             00:25:30   3    September, by right before the tax batch comes in
 00:23:20   4    enough on an annual basis without spreading the cost           00:25:34   4    we will be out of cash. And so it was discussed
 00:23:24   5    out to do the things that the community wants to               00:25:36   5    earlier this year that we would need to issue bonds
 00:23:28   6    do. It's like buying a house. If you want to buy               00:25:38   6    and that we would issue bonds to cover these costs.
 00:23:30   7    a $500,000 house, you would wait an awfully long               00:25:42   7             The kind of bonds is being debated now.
 00:23:34   8    time, most people, to accumulate $500,000 of cash              00:25:46   8    If we issue short-term bonds then the question is
 00:23:38   9    before you decided to buy the house. That's not how            00:25:50   9    again tax increase and how do we pay for those
 00:23:40   10   most families operate. They figure out how much                00:25:52   10   short-term bonds. In my judgment it makes sense
 00:23:44   11   of a mortgage payment can comfortably fit into their           00:25:56   11   because these are long-term improvements that will
 00:23:48   12   income stream and then they size their house                   00:25:58   12   last decades that we spread the cost out over a
 00:23:50   13   accordingly taking into account, of course, the                00:26:02   13   comparable long-term period of time so that people
 00:23:54   14   downpayment. And that way you get the house now,               00:26:06   14   who move in and out of the village will pay their
 00:23:58   15   you get to use it while you're around instead of               00:26:10   15   share through annual taxes to cover those bonds.
 00:24:00   16   waiting twenty or thirty years to accumulate the               00:26:14   16   Out of the tax cap money everybody who lives here
 00:24:04   17   cash before you do it.                                         00:26:18   17   from time to time will be paying a little bit of
 00:24:04   18             It has its costs. When you get the use               00:26:20   18   the cost of the these long-term improvements. I think
 00:24:08   19   of the house now before you have the cash to pay               00:26:22   19   that makes sense economically and philosophically.
 00:24:10   20   for it, what's the cost of doing that? Your interest           00:26:24   20   And, fortunately, interest rates are still low and
 00:24:12   21   charges on your mortgage. The same way with the                00:26:28   21   the interest curve is pretty flat. There's not
 00:24:16   22   park district. The majority of the board said these            00:26:30   22   much difference in rates as our expert told us
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 00:26:34   1    between the short-term borrowing rates and the                  00:28:54   1    heard is one for a new tax increase. And the fact
 00:26:36   2    long-term rates. So at this point in time and                   00:28:58   2    is that this board for years, actually since 2003
 00:26:38   3    unless I hear something compelling to the contrary,             00:29:04   3    has had the legal power to issue $11 million or so
 00:26:40   4    I am in favor of the alternate revenue bond                     00:29:08   4    of these tax increase general obligation bonds without
 00:26:42   5    approach. Thank you, Mr. President.                             00:29:14   5    a referendum and can service those debts under the
 00:26:46   6        MR. SALAZAR: I would just like to make an                   00:29:16   6    law with a new $1,400,000-a-year tax to pay for the
 00:26:48   7    open-ended question here, and anybody who wants to              00:29:20   7    principal and interest on those bonds. Commissioner
 00:26:50   8    disagree with me they can. But with the alternate               00:29:24   8    Salazar is saying well, we ought to use some of
 00:26:54   9    revenue bonds we borrow $3 million today. In a                  00:29:26   9    that up, we ought to use some of that $11 million
 00:26:58   10   month, two months, three months, one year, two                  00:29:28   10   bonding and add a new tax increase allowed under
 00:27:02   11   years we can go out and borrow ten or eleven                    00:29:32   11   the law which comes automatically with it so that
 00:27:04   12   million dollars more without a referendum. So then              00:29:34   12   a future board can't do it. Well, then we'd be
 00:27:06   13   we have thirteen or $14 million in debt.                        00:29:36   13   doing it. And the fact is this board has chosen
 00:27:10   14            If we do the regular GO debt we cut that               00:29:40   14   not to impose a tax increase on our people. In
 00:27:14   15   ten or eleven million dollars down to seven or $8               00:29:44   15   fact, this board and the board in the immediate
 00:27:18   16   million and we have less debt. Now, there are lots              00:29:48   16   years past as we'll show in the levy discussion
 00:27:22   17   of taxpayers out there who think that if we over-               00:29:50   17   that comes briefly -- that comes shortly later on
 00:27:26   18   spent one time we will overspend another time down              00:29:54   18   in the agenda, this board has actually cut real
 00:27:30   19   the road. So rather than risk having thirteen or                00:29:58   19   taxes by at least 12% compared to several years
 00:27:34   20   $14 million worth of debt, I continue to maintain               00:30:04   20   ago, the level of taxes that were paid in 2002.
 00:27:36   21   that if we do long-term debt we ought to cut down               00:30:08   21   Taxes have not even kept up with the rate of
 00:27:40   22   the available ten or $11 million by using the                   00:30:12   22   inflation. This board has been very conservative

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 00:27:44   1    regular GOs. The only reason to use the alternate               00:30:14   1    and taxpayer friendly and has been careful not to
 00:27:48   2    revenue GOs which have a slightly higher interest               00:30:18   2    add any new taxes. And now the argument is that
 00:27:50   3    rate is to preserve all that $11 million worth of               00:30:20   3    we should use some new tax bonds so that a future
 00:27:54   4    borrowing.                                                      00:30:24   4    board can't do it. Well, then we're doing it. And
 00:27:56   5             And to answer the question on short-term               00:30:26   5    that would bring howls, rightfully so, from tax
 00:27:58   6    bonds, how do you pay for short-term bonds, we                  00:30:32   6    protesters who say you don't need to have a tax
 00:28:02   7    have been spending more or less $1 million a year               00:30:34   7    increase now. So I must respectfully disagree
 00:28:04   8    on capital improvements every year. These are for               00:30:36   8    with that reasoning. It's up to this board not to
 00:28:08   9    the most part discretionary expenditures. This year             00:30:40   9    use its bonding power in the future just as this
 00:28:12   10   we're spending three million, about three times the             00:30:42   10   board has already followed that course of not using
 00:28:14   11   normal amount; hence, the shortfall. The way you                00:30:46   11   that bonding power to issue new taxes.
 00:28:20   12   pay off the short-term bonds in the next two, three,            00:30:50   12       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Commissioner Mahoney,
 00:28:22   13   four or five years is quite simple: Cut spending,               00:30:52   13   would you like to add anything?
 00:28:26   14   cut discretionary spending. And nobody here is                  00:30:54   14       MS. MAHONEY: Well, we have had this similar
 00:28:30   15   going to disagree with the concept that by keeping              00:30:58   15   discussion two weeks ago, and my position hasn't
 00:28:34   16   our taxes just up for inflation with discipline we              00:31:04   16   changed between then and now. I am in support of
 00:28:40   17   could pay off $3 million in bonds in two, three,                00:31:06   17   alternate revenue bonds as this hearing is discussing.
 00:28:44   18   four or five years.                                             00:31:16   18   The money that we're seeking is to pay for things
 00:28:48   19       MR. JAROS: Again may I respond briefly to that,             00:31:20   19   that have a quite significant life long-term. Lyman
 00:28:50   20   Mr. President?                                                  00:31:30   20   Woods, a hundred years. You know, the synthetic
 00:28:52   21       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Briefly.                                00:31:36   21   turf, the value of that decision is that we won't
 00:28:52   22       MR. JAROS: Again the argument that we just                  00:31:42   22   be paying for property and tearing down trees or
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 00:31:46   1    houses or anything else to put up fields that this               00:35:02   1    expenditures out a year or two so they could be fit
 00:31:50   2    community has repeatedly said that they want. I                  00:35:06   2    into other schedules without doing any bond is
 00:31:56   3    have received nothing but positive responses to                  00:35:10   3    something I would have highly preferred.
 00:32:00   4    what we did at Doerhoefer. And so I think that                   00:35:14   4        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Okay. I don't have
 00:32:06   5    this is a very -- choosing the alternate revenue                 00:35:16   5    anything to add. We have discussed this at length
 00:32:10   6    bonds is a very responsible way to pay for those                 00:35:22   6    at the past several meetings. I would just offer
 00:32:16   7    items whether it's Lyman Woods or Doerhoefer in                  00:35:24   7    to the audience that each of the board members
 00:32:24   8    this instance to proceed along this line.                        00:35:26   8    certainly has the right to their opinion and
 00:32:30   9             I would just like to add one more thing.                00:35:28   9    represent a portion of the audience and the residents
 00:32:34   10   Previously there was a discussion by this board to               00:35:32   10   of this community. And we all have different
 00:32:42   11   refinance the bonds that were issued for the Rec                 00:35:34   11   opinions on some of these things, so it's a healthy
 00:32:46   12   Center. That discussion was very lengthy over                    00:35:36   12   discussion.
 00:32:50   13   several meetings. I at that time was sitting out                 00:35:36   13              If there are no other comments coming
 00:32:52   14   in the audience. And there was not this concern                  00:35:40   14   from the board, I would then ask do we have any
 00:33:02   15   about what future boards would or wouldn't do.                   00:35:44   15   written testimony from anyone, Madam Secretary?
 00:33:04   16   There was not a concern about alternate bonds at                 00:35:48   16       MS. MAHONEY: I have none.
 00:33:10   17   all. At that point in time it seemed like that                   00:35:50   17       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do you?
 00:33:12   18   was the way to go. In my mind after reviewing                    00:35:52   18       MR. SALAZAR: No.
 00:33:16   19   those minutes, which I did to see what comparison                00:35:52   19       MS. SLEETER: No.
 00:33:20   20   there was in that instance versus this instance, I               00:35:52   20       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: There is no written
 00:33:26   21   didn't come up with any significant difference.                  00:35:54   21   testimony. So I indicate that we have none.
 00:33:30   22            So I think this board has followed --                   00:35:56   22              I now ask that we have any oral testimony

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 00:33:34   1    this board with new numbers is following what previous           00:35:58   1    from anybody in the audience who would like to
 00:33:38   2    boards have thought was a good course of action.                 00:36:00   2    address the board on this matter.
 00:33:44   3    So I am -- I will be supportive of the alternate                 00:36:10   3        MR. TOM LECREN: My name is Tom Lecren. I
 00:33:48   4    revenue approach to these bonds.                                 00:36:18   4    reside at 545 Chicago Avenue. I was the one that
 00:33:54   5        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you. Anyone else?                  00:36:22   5    sent you all a memo or e-mail. Four of you took
 00:33:56   6        MS. SLEETER: Just one quick comment. The                     00:36:26   6    the time to respond voluminously. Thank you. I
 00:34:00   7    board can make a policy decision to have total taxes             00:36:30   7    appreciate that. Brought me up to date.
 00:34:02   8    no matter what line item it happens to belong to                 00:36:34   8               I was unable to be at the October 18th
 00:34:08   9    be subject to the tax cap. We can have a policy                  00:36:36   9    meeting because I had a schedule conflict. I
 00:34:12   10   to have a total increase -- no matter whatever line              00:36:38   10   apologize for that. I would also like to apologize
 00:34:16   11   item it's on to not increase total taxes by more                 00:36:42   11   for the rest of the voters in the community who
 00:34:20   12   than inflation plus new construction and then                    00:36:44   12   can't seem to find the time to come out here and
 00:34:24   13   adjust it for debt. So the numbers can be managed                00:36:46   13   listen to what's being said.
 00:34:28   14   either way.                                                      00:36:50   14              There's a couple of things that I would
 00:34:28   15            In practice this does leave the most open,              00:36:56   15   like to know or find out about. We have spent money
 00:34:32   16   available for future boards to have a decision on                00:37:00   16   on Doerhoefer. That's gone. We have paid for that,
 00:34:36   17   how to spend that ten, $11 million. But it's also                00:37:04   17   correct?
 00:34:42   18   a board's decision and a future board's decision                 00:37:04   18       MR. JAROS: In the process of paying for it.
 00:34:44   19   that they could change their mind on any factor.                 00:37:06   19       MR. LECREN: Right. But we're paying it out
 00:34:52   20   And there is pros and cons to both of these methods.             00:37:10   20   of revenue or dollars that we had. It's gone.
 00:34:56   21   But having gotten to the point that we need to do                00:37:12   21   Whitlock Park, is that paid for or will be paid
 00:34:58   22   bonding, the philosophy of moving some of these                  00:37:16   22   for out of these?
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 00:37:16   1         MR. JAROS: (nodding)                                           00:39:30   1    experts --
 00:37:18   2         MR. LECREN: So my question becomes what are                    00:39:32   2              But I would also like to point out that
 00:37:20   3    we using the 2.9 for specifically? That's never                     00:39:34   3    these alternate bonds, we should not be able to pay
 00:37:28   4    been in any of the discussion. You're going to                      00:39:38   4    for them out of our standard revenue stream. And
 00:37:30   5    spend 2.9, but what are you going to spend it on?                   00:39:42   5    we're currently in a condition where we can't pay
 00:37:34   6               I would like to call your attention                      00:39:46   6    out of our current revenue stream for things that
 00:37:36   7    to the notice that you put in the paper. I have it                  00:39:48   7    we want to do. You can then issue without referendum
 00:37:40   8    in front of me. And it says notice hereby given --                  00:39:54   8    general obligation bonds with their own tax rate.
 00:37:44   9    etc., etc., etc. -- the district intends to issue                   00:39:58   9    So it's a matter of trust to you, our trusting you
 00:37:48   10   alternate bonds, bonds in an aggregate principal                    00:40:02   10   which you kind of have eaten into by spending more
 00:37:52   11   amount not to exceed $2.9 million for the building,                 00:40:06   11   money than you have.
 00:37:54   12   maintaining, improving and protecting of the                        00:40:08   12        MR. JAROS: Tom, let me address that. New
 00:37:58   13   existing land and facilities of the district and                    00:40:12   13   bonds wouldn't be issued. Alternate revenue bonds
 00:38:02   14   for payment of the bond expenses thereto. Okay.                     00:40:16   14   have a backstop provision which says that if the
 00:38:08   15   I wasn't an English major but I did fairly well in                  00:40:20   15   district completely lacks other resources including
 00:38:12   16   English grammar. That statement says to me in part                  00:40:24   16   its regular tax cap stream, then they become like
 00:38:14   17   that you're going to maintain, improve and protect                  00:40:30   17   general obligation bonds and a tax increase arises
 00:38:18   18   existing land and facilities. But it also says you're               00:40:34   18   at that point in time. That's why they're called
 00:38:22   19   going to build existing facilities and land. How do                 00:40:38   19   alternate revenue source general obligation bonds.
 00:38:26   20   you do that? I don't understand. How do you build                   00:40:40   20   They're a different variation. But that would require
 00:38:30   21   an existing facility or an existing land? That's                    00:40:44   21   a bankrupting of the district. And the district
 00:38:34   22   what your statement says in English. It may not                     00:40:48   22   is solid in this sense.

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 00:38:38   1    have been your intent. You may have said to build                   00:40:52   1              Let me explain it this way: Our existing
 00:38:40   2    some new things or do some other things, but it is                  00:40:54   2    tax cap revenue streams plus our nontax revenues far
 00:38:42   3    not stated in here. You're saying you're going to                   00:41:00   3    exceed our operating expenses and our debt service
 00:38:46   4    build existing facilities.                                          00:41:06   4    and the new debt service on these bonds. So we are
 00:38:48   5         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Let me try and comment                     00:41:12   5    not in an insolvency situation; we are not in any
 00:38:48   6    on that.                                                            00:41:16   6    distress. We are in the same position -- and I am
 00:38:50   7         MR. LECREN: Yes, sir.                                          00:41:20   7    going to use the analogy again -- as somebody who
 00:38:50   8         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Legal counsel or the bond                  00:41:22   8    doesn't have six hundred thousand bucks of cash in
 00:38:52   9    counsel that we had, this is standard verbiage                      00:41:26   9    the bank and wants to buy a $600,000 house and puts
 00:38:54   10   that came from them and we used it. That's exactly                  00:41:30   10   it on a mortgage basis where his income is ample to
 00:38:58   11   the way they provided it to us.                                     00:41:34   11   make the monthly or annual payments. That's our
 00:39:00   12        MR. LECREN: Then I would like to suggest                       00:41:38   12   position. We simply have a liquidity issue. And
 00:39:02   13   perhaps you take that wording to the English                        00:41:44   13   the bonds are being issued. The proceeds of the
 00:39:06   14   department at North or South High School and see                    00:41:46   14   bonds will be put in the capital projects account
 00:39:08   15   what they have to say. You can't build existing                     00:41:48   15   and used for capital projects.
 00:39:10   16   facilities; they're there.                                          00:41:50   16             And I agree the verbiage is a little bit
 00:39:12   17        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: I think you could build                    00:41:52   17   strange, but I agree with the president. There are
 00:39:14   18   upon existing facilities.                                           00:41:58   18   nouns and there are objects of the preposition
 00:39:16   19        MR. LECREN: Okay, fine, but say that. Add                      00:42:04   19   which are multiple. So you have building of existing
 00:39:20   20   to or be specific with what it is you're going to                   00:42:08   20   land and improving of existing facilities. So there's
 00:39:22   21   spend this money for. You know, if you need it,                     00:42:12   21   a parallelism which isn't very artful, but clearly
 00:39:26   22   fine, let's go forward with it and let the legal                    00:42:16   22   the intent is that the money be used to improve
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 00:42:18   1    existing facilities and to build upon existing land.               00:44:28   1            MR. LECREN: Which ones?

 00:42:22   2    And that's what we have been doing and that's what                 00:44:30   2            MR. JAROS: Various ones. We don't have to be
 00:42:24   3    we are doing.                                                      00:44:32   3    specific as to which dollar of this bond will go to
 00:42:26   4         MR. SALAZAR: Let me add something to that real                00:44:36   4    which capital project. These are going for our

 00:42:28   5    quick. Obviously this was written by bond counsel.                 00:44:38   5    capital projects. That's all the law requires.
 00:42:32   6    Obviously this is basically boilerplate. And trying                00:44:40   6    And we know in aggregate what the dollars are and
 00:42:38   7    to justify -- You know, if we didn't have lawyers                  00:44:42   7    what they will be. These will be used for the
 00:42:42   8    we could just say look, we spent too much money,                   00:44:46   8    payment of capital projects.
 00:42:46   9    we have got to borrow some money. That's the deal,                 00:44:48   9            MR. LECREN: And said capital projects, the
 00:42:48   10   we're going to borrow $3 million, just deal with                   00:44:50   10   only known one today is Lyman Woods.
 00:42:50   11   it. However, if you want to give credit to the                     00:44:54   11           PRESIDENT GELWICKS: At the last meeting we
 00:42:56   12   bond counsel for what we're paying them for, improving             00:44:56   12   elaborated on this, the three major projects that
 00:43:00   13   and protecting the existing land and facilities of                 00:45:00   13   were identified, Lyman Woods, Whitlock Park and
 00:43:04   14   the district and for the payment of expenses incident              00:45:04   14   Doerhoefer Park.
 00:43:06   15   thereto, okay, so you have assets in the park                      00:45:04   15           MR. LECREN: But you said Doerhoefer and
 00:43:10   16   district and with this money we can pay the expenses               00:45:06   16   Whitlock are paid for.
 00:43:16   17   incident thereto. You know, you can interpret,                     00:45:08   17           MS. SLEETER: No, Whitlock hasn't even started
 00:43:20   18   thank God, we might run out of cash and we better                  00:45:10   18   to work on it yet. It's been allocated for. And
 00:43:24   19   borrow some money so we can pay the payroll. That's                00:45:12   19   technically I think you are correct, with Doerhoefer
 00:43:28   20   basically the bottom line. We have basically spent                 00:45:16   20   we have got some payments already made but not all
 00:43:32   21   the money down to a point where we might not make                  00:45:20   21   of it. And it would mean that. So some of this
 00:43:34   22   it to the next payday which is when everybody writes               00:45:24   22   is --

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 00:43:38   1    those tax checks and the money comes in. So again                  00:45:26   1            MR. LECREN: Just a matter of clarity.
 00:43:42   2    take this and throw it out. It's a short-term cash                 00:45:28   2            MS. MAHONEY: All these capital projects are
 00:43:44   3    shortfall, that's it. We're borrowing.                             00:45:30   3    outlined very clearly in our current budget and
 00:43:48   4         MR. JAROS: That's a complete misreading,                      00:45:32   4    the cap and what we're doing with capital in the
 00:43:50   5    Commissioner, of the statute and of the notice.                    00:45:38   5    current year's budget. They're all in there. So
 00:43:52   6    That phrase, the payment of the expenses incident                  00:45:40   6    this isn't any additional -- This is -- follows

 00:43:56   7    thereto, refers to paying the issuance costs of the                00:45:46   7    right along with what the board has decided to
 00:44:00   8    bonds out of the proceeds. The bond money cannot                   00:45:52   8    proceed with.
 00:44:02   9    be used to pay ordinary operating expenses.                        00:45:52   9            PRESIDENT GELWICKS: If you go back to the
 00:44:06   10        MR. SALAZAR: Improving and protecting the                     00:45:54   10   budget for this year, in the budget we had $3.1
 00:44:08   11   existing land and facilities of the district and                   00:45:58   11   million of capital projects and a plan for issuing
 00:44:10   12   for the paying the expenses incident thereto.                      00:46:00   12   $3.1 million of bonds. The reason we delayed doing
 00:44:12   13        MR. JAROS: You started in the middle of the                   00:46:06   13   it was to identify exactly how much money we needed.
 00:44:14   14   sentence, Commissioner. If you read the whole                      00:46:10   14   And so we delayed it and we have also taken it down.
 00:44:16   15   sentence you will see --                                           00:46:14   15   We could have done it individually for each project,
 00:44:18   16        MR. SALAZAR: That's fine. The point remains                   00:46:18   16   but then we go through another set of costs that

 00:44:20   17   we are not buying anything with this money. We are                 00:46:22   17   aren't appropriate in this board's perspective.
 00:44:22   18   covering a cash shortfall.                                         00:46:24   18           MR. SALAZAR: And again to clarify, that budget
 00:44:24   19        MR. JAROS: That is not true.                                  00:46:28   19   which calls for more spending than money available

 00:44:24   20        MR. SALAZAR: Fine.                                            00:46:30   20   passed three to two.
 00:44:26   21        MR. JAROS: We are paying for park improvements                00:46:34   21           MR. JAROS: That's not correct. Because the
 00:44:28   22   with this money.                                                   00:46:36   22   budget included a provision for proceeds from bonds
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 00:46:40   1    so that the money coming in including bonds would                00:48:22   1    could clarify based on dates and thirty days, etc.

 00:46:46   2    cover the money going out. So the budget made sense.             00:48:28   2    what is the meeting at which we will make a final
 00:46:50   3        MR. SALAZAR: And I didn't vote for the budget.               00:48:34   3    vote on this?
 00:46:52   4        MR. JAROS: Your disagreeing is one thing, but                00:48:34   4           MR. CERMAK: The publication, Deb Bender, was

 00:46:54   5    don't say that the budget didn't provide. It did                 00:48:40   5    last Wednesday?
 00:46:56   6    provide.                                                         00:48:42   6           MS. BENDER: No.
 00:46:58   7        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: I would like to ask that                 00:48:44   7           MR. CERMAK: Last Friday?
 00:47:00   8    the board let the gentleman speak and finish his                 00:48:44   8           MS. SLEETER: Last Friday.
 00:47:04   9    comments.                                                        00:48:46   9           MR. CERMAK: The 25th. So a 30-day timeline
 00:47:04   10       MR. LECREN: I just have one more. This is                    00:48:50   10   will put you at November 27th. I would suggest
 00:47:06   11   to Mr. Jaros. Will you tell me what state law it                 00:48:56   11   that at the next meeting the board that we place
 00:47:08   12   is, chapter and verse, that allows you to issue the              00:48:58   12   an agenda item on that active agenda and discuss
 00:47:12   13   $11 million in general obligation bonds without                  00:49:02   13   or make a final determination as to whether or not
 00:47:16   14   referendum? I went looking for it.                               00:49:06   14   you will prefer to go with nonreferendum bonds or
 00:47:18   15       MR. JAROS: I didn't bring my Park District                   00:49:08   15   alternate bonds and at that time pick a date. The
 00:47:20   16   Code tonight, which is unusual. But I will e-mail                00:49:12   16   previous date that we gave you is a guideline for
 00:47:24   17   you the reference, Tom.                                          00:49:14   17   bond issuance and would be the date of the December
 00:47:24   18       MR. LECREN: Thank you.                                       00:49:18   18   7th meeting. If you authorize it at that November
 00:47:26   19       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you. Do we have                    00:49:24   19   16th meeting I believe we can arrange for a December
 00:47:34   20   comments from anybody else in the audience? Well,                00:49:28   20   7th bid with results to come before the board that
 00:47:42   21   I will then announce that all persons desiring to                00:49:30   21   evening for your consideration and/or acceptance.
 00:47:46   22   be heard have been given an opportunity to present               00:49:34   22   And if that doesn't work we can choose another

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 00:47:48   1    oral and written testimony with respect to the                   00:49:36   1    date. But we're going to run into holidays as your
 00:47:50   2    proposed issuance of the bonds. I now request a                  00:49:40   2    financial advisor told you. So I would suggest that
 00:47:52   3    motion that the hearing be adjourned.                            00:49:44   3    we place it on the next agenda. Although it's not
 00:47:56   4        MR. JAROS: Mr. President, I move that the                    00:49:48   4    called for, you could make that decision this evening.
 00:47:58   5    public hearing concerning the intent of this park                00:49:50   5    Now, should you get petitions in the next thirty
 00:48:00   6    district to sell $2,900,000 of general obligation                00:49:54   6    days what I would have to do at that point in time

 00:48:04   7    park bonds alternate revenue source be adjourned.                00:49:56   7    is I would have to call the financial advisor and
 00:48:06   8        MS. MAHONEY: Second.                                         00:49:58   8    say stop the bond issuance, and we would have to
 00:48:08   9        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Roll call, please?                       00:50:04   9    reconsider the route the board would want to take
 00:48:10   10       MS. BENDER: Mr. Jaros?                                       00:50:06   10   at that point. However, a motion is not needed at
 00:48:12   11       MR. JAROS: Aye.                                              00:50:08   11   this point to proceed with either the nonreferendum
 00:48:12   12       MS. BENDER: Miss Mahoney?                                    00:50:10   12   or alternate bonds.
 00:48:12   13       MS. MAHONEY: Aye.                                            00:50:12   13          MS. SLEETER: I just want to make sure we're
 00:48:14   14       MS. BENDER: Mr. Gelwicks?                                    00:50:16   14   making it perfectly clear the date the next steps
 00:48:14   15       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Aye.                                     00:50:18   15   will be voted on and determined.
 00:48:14   16       MS. BENDER: Mr. Salazar?                                     00:50:20   16          MR. CERMAK: It could be this evening or it

 00:48:16   17       MR. SALAZAR: Aye.                                            00:50:22   17   could be November 16th and consequently December
 00:48:16   18       MS. BENDER: Miss Sleeter?                                    00:50:30   18   7th.
 00:48:16   19       MS. SLEETER: Aye.                                            00:50:30   19          PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Dan, active agenda?

 00:48:18   20       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Motion carried. The                      00:50:34   20   Consent agenda?
 00:48:18   21   hearing is adjourned.                                            00:50:36   21          MR. CERMAK: Okay. The next item -- We have
 00:48:20   22       MS. SLEETER: I have got one question. If we                  00:50:40   22   a short active agenda this evening. The next item
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 00:50:44   1    will be the Sterling North, Bending Oaks West and                 00:53:02   1    process.

 00:50:46   2    the 1923 and 1925 Curtiss Street revised master plan              00:53:04   2               We started out with this project goal that
 00:50:52   3    review and recommendation for approval. Again what                00:53:06   3    we have up here. The goal of the project is to
 00:50:56   4    we're bringing to you tonight is a master plan -- two             00:53:10   4    perform a site analysis for these combined sites

 00:51:00   5    master plan concepts. We're looking for approval or               00:53:12   5    and address the environmental issues, the concerns
 00:51:04   6    determination as to which plan you like the best.                 00:53:16   6    of the staff and the commissioners and public, the
 00:51:08   7    At this time we don't have any plans and there is                 00:53:20   7    impacts of the various design elements and the impacts
 00:51:12   8    no funding for this particular project.                           00:53:24   8    of all the other issues that have an impact on the
 00:51:14   9              Director Reese will, I believe, begin the               00:53:30   9    design process thereby being environmental issues,
 00:51:16   10   presentation. And I believe he is accompanied by                  00:53:34   10   regulatory issues, just the designing of the facility
 00:51:20   11   Landscape Architect Darcy Berg and Doug Gotham                    00:53:38   11   elements. With that I will proceed.
 00:51:26   12   from Christopher Burke Engineering. I will turn                   00:53:42   12              This is what we came up with as our
 00:51:26   13   it over to Mr. Reese.                                             00:53:44   13   objectives. And this went on at the initial meeting,
 00:51:28   14        MR. REESE: Thank, Dan. Good evening, board                   00:53:48   14   and it's carried out through this whole process
 00:51:28   15   members. This evening you have in your packet a                   00:53:50   15   that we have been through this past year. And that
 00:51:30   16   staff memo dated October 8th revised October 24th                 00:53:52   16   is to provide facilities that meet the needs of
 00:51:34   17   regarding the Sterling North, Bending Oaks, 1923,                 00:53:54   17   the park district, design facilities that can be
 00:51:38   18   1925 Curtiss master plan. The background is as                    00:53:58   18   developed within the constraints of the environmental
 00:51:42   19   follows: Staff and consultants have worked with the               00:54:00   19   and natural influences of the site, to design
 00:51:44   20   board and residents to facilitate the master plan                 00:54:04   20   facilities that can be develop within the constraints
 00:51:48   21   process for Sterling North, Bending Oaks West --                  00:54:06   21   of the various regulatory agencies much like I
 00:51:52   22   Bending Oaks and 1923 and 1925 Curtiss.                           00:54:08   22   just mentioned, and then create a design that can

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 00:51:56   1    Consultants presented six concepts this spring and                00:54:12   1    be developed in phases.
 00:51:58   2    an additional four concepts at the June 15th park                 00:54:14   2               The first one -- Or actually it's the
 00:52:04   3    board meeting. The concepts previously presented                  00:54:22   3    eleventh in the series. Technically there's
 00:52:06   4    showed a variety of active and passive program                    00:54:24   4    actually been more than that. I have just shown
 00:52:08   5    elements in a variety of different configurations.                00:54:26   5    you eleven so far. We developed a design program
 00:52:10   6             Based on the June 15th presentation, the                 00:54:30   6    of creating unstructured open space, preserving,

 00:52:14   7    board comments and resident input, consultant and                 00:54:34   7    provide space for informal backstops, create a space
 00:52:16   8    staff were directed to prepare two additional master              00:54:38   8    for playgrounds, create a space for a half court
 00:52:20   9    plan concepts which are attached for future                       00:54:40   9    basketball court and create a space for two horseshoe
 00:52:22   10   presentation. Staff has reviewed the two additional               00:54:44   10   courts, providing a shelter, providing a circulation
 00:52:26   11   concepts on a preliminary basis to confirm that we                00:54:46   11   trail with bridge that connects both the sides of
 00:52:30   12   believe they generally reflect comments and directions            00:54:50   12   the park site, providing an overlook within the
 00:52:32   13   of the board. We have with us tonight Doug Gotham                 00:54:52   13   facility and provide for the parking for the various
 00:52:36   14   from Emerald Site Design and Christopher Burke and                00:54:56   14   activities within the facility.
 00:52:40   15   Darcy Berg, our staff planner, for the presentation.              00:54:58   15              Now, I would like to say that this is a
 00:52:42   16   And I will ask Doug to make the presentation, and                 00:55:00   16   true synthesis of the previous discussions that we

 00:52:46   17   then we'll summarize and then we'll take your                     00:55:04   17   have had before. We will open that up for discussion
 00:52:48   18   questions. Doug?                                                  00:55:08   18   if you like, but this is what we reported, the staff
 00:52:48   19        MR. GOTHAM: Thank you, Todd. Nice to be back                 00:55:10   19   and I, at our previous meetings is what this concept

 00:52:54   20   before you again. We have done this before. I                     00:55:14   20   should address.
 00:52:58   21   commend you for it. Thank you for bearing with us                 00:55:16   21              If you recall we had Curtiss Street to the
 00:53:00   22   in this process. But that's what it is, it is a                   00:55:20   22   north up here and Bending Oaks Court down here. The
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 00:55:22   1    main body of the park is right through here with                  00:57:32   1    is this the horseshoe court area up here --

 00:55:24   2    St. Joseph's Creek that runs through here. This                   00:57:38   2    utilizing the flat plane area that is existing there
 00:55:26   3    area used to be the polishing area for the Village                00:57:42   3    already. We're also keeping the buffer that occurs
 00:55:32   4    of Downers Grove water treatment facility or sewage               00:57:46   4    there naturally now between these lots and the

 00:55:34   5    treatment facility, excuse me. We have always had                 00:57:48   5    park site itself.
 00:55:36   6    this access through here and another one right through            00:57:50   6              Then we have the open meadow area here
 00:55:38   7    there to the main portion of the park. Bending Oaks               00:57:52   7    which has the ability to create or provide space
 00:55:44   8    down here has the access off the cul-de-sac, and                  00:57:56   8    for athletic activity. Then we have the loop, as
 00:55:46   9    we have this south portion coming off Wisconsin.                  00:58:00   9    I said before, that comes down here, picks up all
 00:55:48   10            Now, in this illustration we're                          00:58:04   10   these elements and then winds its way down to
 00:55:52   11   recalling what the previous program was. One of                   00:58:06   11   St. Joseph's Creek here. Along the way we have
 00:55:54   12   the things was -- I will walk you through -- to                   00:58:08   12   the ability to do much like it is now is walk
 00:55:56   13   create support parking. And in this illustration                  00:58:12   13   around the perimeter of the existing wetland
 00:55:58   14   we needed to insert parking within these two lots                 00:58:16   14   through a wood chip or mulch path trail. Right
 00:56:04   15   right here. We have sort of centered it so it's                   00:58:20   15   there you have an overlook that overlooks St. Joseph's
 00:56:06   16   equidistant from both properties, and then we                     00:58:24   16   Creek with a little weir here creating a pool
 00:56:10   17   provided a loop that passes through and back out.                 00:58:30   17   situation. We have the bridge and then a trail
 00:56:12   18   So we have a drop-off over here. Parking faces                    00:58:32   18   that winds up and down the hillside coming back
 00:56:16   19   into each other as opposed to out on both the lots.               00:58:36   19   here to the kiosk. Once again we have another
 00:56:20   20   We also have an access walk that comes in from the                00:58:38   20   trail pretty much where it is existing right now
 00:56:24   21   top along Curtiss and down to a trail that provides               00:58:42   21   in this facility. This is left entirely open.
 00:56:26   22   and passes through the facility. We will get back                 00:58:44   22   This is the simplest of the two concepts, but you can

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 00:56:30   1    to that in a second.                                              00:58:48   1    see how it works.
 00:56:30   2             But in this element we have the playground               00:58:52   2              Let's move on to the next one. Oh, go
 00:56:32   3    off the parking lot right here. We would have a                   00:58:54   3    back to that, Darcy. These illustrations here sort
 00:56:34   4    protective barrier right here so children can't                   00:58:58   4    of give you a flavor of what exists there now and
 00:56:38   5    dash right into the parking lot. We'd actually have               00:59:02   5    what we could add to. One of the features that
 00:56:40   6    an entrance element that they would pass through to               00:59:04   6    staff suggested that we do, and I agree with them,

 00:56:42   7    enter into the playground area. So the playground                 00:59:08   7    is that this illustration shows a paved parking lot
 00:56:46   8    area is now at the termination of Curtiss Street                  00:59:12   8    but this is porous paving. This photograph is
 00:56:50   9    so security can come in and visibly inspect the                   00:59:14   9    actually taken at a facility that we designed and
 00:56:52   10   site at any time and see what's going on there.                   00:59:16   10   installed at the Morton Arboretum. So this is all
 00:56:56   11            Also at the end of this visual access on                 00:59:20   11   porous paving right here. You can see the depression
 00:56:58   12   the opposite side of the playground is a nice shelter             00:59:24   12   in that concrete curb right there. Instead of having
 00:57:00   13   element that then overlooks all the open space of the             00:59:26   13   the traditional mound curb, a mound that comes behind
 00:57:04   14   site, provides picnic opportunities there. This is                00:59:30   14   the curb, this is a depressed area and we have
 00:57:08   15   all surrounded by a hard surface area. At the                     00:59:32   15   landscaping behind that. So any stormwater in a
 00:57:12   16   opposite side of the shelter we have created a half               00:59:34   16   heavy event that does make it across and enters this

 00:57:14   17   court basketball court addressing again what was                  00:59:40   17   depressed area then is allowed to enter back into
 00:57:18   18   in the program elements we identified previously,                 00:59:42   18   the ground water system naturally. And we have a
 00:57:20   19   so the goal of the space here. And this would be                  00:59:46   19   nice example of a curved arbor. This particular

 00:57:24   20   the free throw line here.                                         00:59:50   20   one is from a premanufactured company and it's all
 00:57:28   21            Off on this side in this concept we have                 00:59:54   21   metal, powder-coated steel. I think that is
 00:57:30   22   provided space for one single tennis court -- or                  01:00:00   22   located right in that area right there.
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 01:00:02   1                This I believe is the general field                   01:02:16   1         MR. GOTHAM: Well, in order to create the
 01:00:06   2    area, what this looks like today right through                    01:02:18   2    possibility for athletics probably in a second
 01:00:08   3    here, and this is Bending Oaks looking back this                  01:02:22   3    phase create a flat plateau so grade it out. But
 01:00:12   4    way. So we keep those turf elements in a natural                  01:02:26   4    initially we can leave it as is.
 01:00:16   5    condition.                                                        01:02:28   5         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: The cost estimate here
 01:00:16   6                Now, in concept 11B which we suggest it               01:02:30   6    is as is?
 01:00:24   7    would be this is a variation of the previous one.                 01:02:30   7         MR. GOTHAM: No, the cost estimate illustrates
 01:00:26   8    Again you have the unstructured open space. We                    01:02:34   8    it graded out.
 01:00:28   9    will keep that preserved. We want to provide for                  01:02:36   9         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: If there were a restroom
 01:00:32   10   the informal backstop, provide a playground, half                 01:02:38   10   -- I see that you include the concept -- where would
 01:00:34   11   court basketball, provide the horseshoes, shelter                 01:02:42   11   you see that being placed?
 01:00:38   12   as we did previously. But in this one we also want                01:02:42   12        MR. GOTHAM: Probably in the main shelter area
 01:00:40   13   to provide the tennis court. We have an overlook                  01:02:44   13   there so it has a nice central location.
 01:00:42   14   in this one as well. We provide a circulation                     01:02:48   14        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Is there any main benefit
 01:00:46   15   trail that connects the north and south portions                  01:02:50   15   to that western access, the mowed, wood chip, over
 01:00:50   16   of the site and again the parking lot.                            01:02:54   16   the current access today? Is there any reason to
 01:00:52   17               Now, this is the same as previously. As               01:02:56   17   keep that in this plan? Any significance?
 01:00:56   18   I said, Curtiss is up here and St. Joseph Creek                   01:03:00   18        MR. GOTHAM: I smile because historically when
 01:01:00   19   passes through there. The main entrance is in this                01:03:02   19   I have done a lot of these projects in the past
 01:01:02   20   general area where we have a playground and shelter               01:03:04   20   and you have an existing traffic feature where
 01:01:04   21   and basketball court. We pushed the horseshoe courts              01:03:10   21   pedestrians are used to coming in that way, they
 01:01:08   22   down to the south and to the west, and then our                   01:03:12   22   will continue to do that even if you remove it.

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 01:01:14   1    existing flat plateau. We put in the single tennis                01:03:16   1         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Okay.
 01:01:16   2    court. You will see how much space that actually                  01:03:18   2         MR. GOTHAM: I have actually taken out driveways
 01:01:18   3    consumes when we do that.                                         01:03:20   3    and have people drive back up them.
 01:01:20   4                Then on this one down here we take the                01:03:22   4         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Well, the same question
 01:01:22   5    path and we peel it off and wrap it around so we                  01:03:24   5    then off of Wisconsin. There is no obvious access
 01:01:24   6    have this nice loop so pedestrians can make a loop                01:03:28   6    off of Wisconsin.
 01:01:28   7    through here and make a loop through there. And at                01:03:30   7         MR. GOTHAM: It terminates there. The street
 01:01:30   8    this point we have created an arbor shelter that                  01:03:32   8    terminates, right.
 01:01:34   9    looks back across the facility this way. Also                     01:03:32   9         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Right. Is there any
 01:01:36   10   there's also an element to enjoy along the path                   01:03:34   10   direct access from Wisconsin?
 01:01:40   11   system here. Back here we also have a secondary                   01:03:36   11        MR. GOTHAM: What we have now is that there
 01:01:42   12   crossing of the St. Joseph's Creek as well. And                   01:03:38   12   is -- I wouldn't call it mowed, but there is sort
 01:01:48   13   we added that. Oh, I should mention you mentioned                 01:03:42   13   of a path that moves down and wraps around like
 01:01:50   14   a backstop in both of these plans. And that's                     01:03:44   14   this that a lot of people use.
 01:01:54   15   tucked back up here in this corner. So that would                 01:03:46   15        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Right. So there would
 01:01:56   16   focus a pick-up game of baseball or softball out                  01:03:48   16   be access from Wisconsin into the area.
 01:02:02   17   this way.                                                         01:03:50   17        MR. CERMAK: Yes.
 01:02:04   18               Do you have anything else? Do you have                01:03:52   18        MR. GOTHAM: Yes.
 01:02:06   19   questions about any of these concepts or designs?                 01:03:52   19        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: That's my question -- my
 01:02:08   20        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: I do. Are you proposing                  01:03:54   20   ultimate question. I certainly think that you have
 01:02:12   21   anything be done to the meadow area or just leave                 01:03:56   21   incorporated a lot of the ideas and moved a long way
 01:02:14   22   it the way it is?                                                 01:04:02   22   from the original dog park, that's for sure. And I
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 01:04:04   1    think this has a lot of possibilities to go forward                01:06:14   1    volleyball. I know my daughter is on a Division I

 01:04:10   2    with developing.                                                   01:06:18   2    team.
 01:04:10   3         MR. JAROS: The only thing that I see that                     01:06:20   3         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: I would just think though
 01:04:12   4    disappeared from the synthesis is the sand volleyball              01:06:22   4    for picnic purposes and for that area that the

 01:04:16   5    that some of the prior sketches had showed.                        01:06:24   5    volleyball would be more attractive to a group or
 01:04:18   6         MR. GOTHAM: Right.                                            01:06:28   6    to a family than a tennis court.
 01:04:20   7         MR. JAROS: What was the thinking behind                       01:06:32   7         MR. GOTHAM: In a reservable spontaneous
 01:04:20   8    deleting that?                                                     01:06:36   8    sense yes. Then you have to look at a long-term.
 01:04:22   9         MR. GOTHAM: Well, it wasn't so much saying that               01:06:40   9         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: One other question. Is
 01:04:26   10   we should delete the sand volleyball court. It's                   01:06:40   10   there anything with regards to streambank
 01:04:28   11   like we only have so much room, and myself and the                 01:06:42   11   stabilization on the creek there?
 01:04:32   12   staff examined what would be the best elements to                  01:06:44   12        MR. GOTHAM: Yes. Yes, down through here we
 01:04:36   13   include in that space to occur. And as you saw                     01:06:46   13   obviously would preserve the edge here as much as
 01:04:40   14   the tennis court consumes quite a bit of space and                 01:06:50   14   possible. So we could stop the bluegrass straight
 01:04:44   15   starts to have a large impact on the site. In fact,                01:06:54   15   to the edge and help enhance that. Here we would
 01:04:48   16   if you look closely you can see these lines down                   01:06:56   16   create the rippling pool situation where you have a
 01:04:50   17   here. Basically we would have to create a flat                     01:07:00   17   weir and enhance this area as well.
 01:04:52   18   plateau and grade that up. You see how much space                  01:07:04   18        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Is that the area where
 01:04:54   19   that takes up.                                                     01:07:06   19   there is that big piece of concrete or old bridge?
 01:04:56   20             Now, a tennis court is longer than a                     01:07:08   20        MR. GOTHAM: No, the old bridge is right in
 01:04:58   21   volleyball court. Obviously we could switch that                   01:07:10   21   here where that indent is.
 01:05:02   22   out and put one in. So the issue just becomes what                 01:07:12   22        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do you take that out?

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 01:05:06   1    benefits the neighborhood and the community more.                  01:07:14   1         MR. GOTHAM: Yes.
 01:05:10   2         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Have we gotten any input                  01:07:14   2         MR. CERMAK: If I could clarify, and Todd,
 01:05:12   3    from the community specifically with regard to that                01:07:16   3    maybe you can help me here, I don't believe there
 01:05:14   4    or asked that question?                                            01:07:18   4    is actual stabilization going on as we would know
 01:05:16   5         MR. GOTHAM: I have not. I mean I talked to                    01:07:22   5    it for Lyman Woods.
 01:05:18   6    the staff. It's identified in the master plan that                 01:07:24   6         MR. GOTHAM: No.

 01:05:20   7    a tennis court is an element that could occur in a                 01:07:24   7         MR. CERMAK: It's a methodology or technique
 01:05:24   8    neighborhood park. You have suggested that previously              01:07:28   8    that is used in stabilization. Is that a fair
 01:05:26   9    in the master plan, not a volleyball court. We                     01:07:30   9    statement?
 01:05:30   10   also looked at the possibility of future funding                   01:07:30   10        MR. GOTHAM: Yes. We don't have it the extent
 01:05:32   11   aspects and what elements attract an OSLAD grant                   01:07:32   11   it's occurring at Lyman Woods.
 01:05:36   12   and how they evaluate a park site. And it's our                    01:07:34   12        MR. CERMAK: That would add another million
 01:05:42   13   opinion that probably the horseshoe courts would                   01:07:36   13   or two million to the project.
 01:05:44   14   have a greater impact favorably for an OSLAD grant                 01:07:38   14        MR. GOTHAM: Yes, it would.
 01:05:48   15   than a volleyball court would in that situation.                   01:07:40   15        MS. SLEETER: What was the rationale for the
 01:05:52   16            The tricky thing I should mention too                     01:07:42   16   different sections that are wood chips versus

 01:05:54   17   about the volleyball court -- I don't know how                     01:07:44   17   asphalt?
 01:05:56   18   many of you have actually played the sport -- is                   01:07:44   18        MR. GOTHAM: Just what we saw would have the
 01:05:58   19   it's one of the odd sports that the ball can be                    01:07:46   19   higher use of activity and the access of grade.

 01:06:02   20   played out of bounds. Even though the court size                   01:07:54   20   This is primarily a flat section right through here,
 01:06:06   21   is 30 x 60, you can go farther afield. So it actually              01:07:56   21   and we saw it being frequently used as a main course
 01:06:10   22   has to be created much larger safety-space-wise for                01:08:00   22   of the park. This we saw as an infrequent informal
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 01:08:04   1    loop which also fit better with the character of                     01:10:14   1         MR. GOTHAM: It would probably be better to

 01:08:08   2    that area. Here we also have to deal with the                        01:10:16   2    switch the horseshoes out with sand volleyball. We

 01:08:10   3    slopes. If you have been to the site you have                        01:10:20   3    can't push this up. If it went north it would impact

 01:08:14   4    experienced this is a big steep hillside. So to                      01:10:22   4    the space for the playground. And in C7 what you

 01:08:16   5    run this trail back and forth and up and down and                    01:10:28   5    also are seeing is that the tennis court and sand

 01:08:22   6    use a movable surface, that would probably be                        01:10:30   6    volleyball court that occurs in this general area

 01:08:24   7    impractical over the long run.                                       01:10:32   7    are two different elevations and we have to do a

 01:08:26   8         MS. SLEETER: Isn't there also the same type                     01:10:34   8    lot of retainage to have that occur. So it would

 01:08:28   9    of grade issue with that path all the way to the                     01:10:38   9    be better off, you know, to decide as a group to

 01:08:30   10   west?                                                                01:10:40   10   get rid of this element and switch it out, though I

 01:08:32   11        MR. GOTHAM: Through here?                                       01:10:42   11   think the sand volleyball court might have a little

 01:08:34   12        MS. SLEETER: Yes.                                               01:10:46   12   bit larger footprint than this illustrates.

 01:08:34   13        MR. GOTHAM: Well, no, because we can drag                       01:10:50   13        MR. JAROS: You're thinking about putting the

 01:08:36   14   that path out over a longer area of the slope.                       01:10:52   14   playground there at the foot of the parking area?

 01:08:40   15        MS. SLEETER: Okay.                                              01:10:54   15   Is that a correct description? Some of the other

 01:08:42   16        MR. GOTHAM: And plus less of an impact would                    01:10:58   16   sketches had it on the high ground at the edge of

 01:08:44   17   probably be better.                                                  01:11:00   17   the forest away from the cars.

 01:08:46   18        MS. SLEETER: The wood chips give more                           01:11:02   18        MR. GOTHAM: We can build it here. That's

 01:08:50   19   flexibility to move it around later.                                 01:11:04   19   buildable land. The thing I would suggest is that

 01:08:52   20        MR. GOTHAM: Right.                                              01:11:08   20   it's over here because it's a lot more visible here.

 01:08:54   21        MS. SLEETER: How much use does a half basketball                01:11:12   21        MR. JAROS: I agree with the visibility, but

 01:08:56   22   court actually have? I guess that was one question                   01:11:14   22   you free up -- you allow more functions by making

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 01:09:00   1    that I had is I am not sure how -- Staff would be                    01:11:18   1    use of that high ground, I think. Then you make room

 01:09:06   2    more up on that. But most of the time unless it's                    01:11:22   2    for tennis and sand volleyball and horseshoes.

 01:09:08   3    a full court I haven't seen very many people using                   01:11:26   3         MR. GOTHAM: Right. I feel strongly that

 01:09:14   4    them. But that may just be my personal experience.                   01:11:28   4    security is an issue for an element like that. I

 01:09:16   5         MR. GOTHAM: In most of the parks I design                       01:11:30   5    prefer it in this area right through here. And if

 01:09:20   6    most districts are requesting half court basketball                  01:11:36   6    you swing it this way you can see the impact our

 01:09:22   7    courts. My own personal observation is they get                      01:11:38   7    meadow has. So if we rotated that around it would

 01:09:26   8    used quite heavily. In fact, there is more of a                      01:11:44   8    cut into this area significantly.

 01:09:28   9    demand for a half court game than a full court game                  01:11:46   9         MR. JAROS: Is that high ground at the edge

 01:09:30   10   because a lot of old guys like me don't like to run                  01:11:46   10   of the forest or just inside the forest, is that

 01:09:34   11   back and forth. Also when you create a full court                    01:11:50   11   usable for any of the other features besides a

 01:09:38   12   you create an environment that almost becomes a                      01:11:54   12   playground?

 01:09:42   13   destination element. We don't want to have that                      01:11:54   13        MR. GOTHAM: The benefit of the high ground

 01:09:44   14   in neighborhood parks. Any other questions?                          01:11:58   14   is having less impact on the floodplain. Most of

 01:09:50   15        MR. JAROS: I have one final question. If we                     01:12:02   15   the other elements aren't impacting it as still

 01:09:54   16   look at C7, there the tennis court is just slid to                   01:12:08   16   elements. So to answer your question no. If we

 01:10:00   17   the north of it in the same general area.                            01:12:12   17   had a structural element that required us to build

 01:10:02   18        MR. GOTHAM: Yes.                                                01:12:14   18   so that we wouldn't be filling in the floodplain,

 01:10:04   19        MR. JAROS: Then to the south of it is squeezed                  01:12:16   19   then yes, we could utilize that better. But since

 01:10:06   20   in sand volleyball. And I am wondering if you could                  01:12:20   20   we don't have any other elements, you know, the

 01:10:08   21   do that and still keep the horseshoes there or roughly               01:12:22   21   tennis court being the biggest one and it would

 01:10:14   22   there.                                                               01:12:28   22   consume more of that space, then no, we can't use
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 01:12:30   1    it to our advantage.                                              01:14:44   1    Horseshoes are currently offered only at McCollum

 01:12:32   2         MR. JAROS: What I had in mind is the new                     01:14:48   2    Park, and we think this is a unique offering at
 01:12:32   3    horseshoe pits that this adds for the first time,                 01:14:50   3    this site.
 01:12:36   4    what if those were put in the triangle?                           01:14:50   4                 The overlook pergola south of the creek

 01:12:38   5         MR. GOTHAM: It could be, but we'd have to do                 01:14:54   5    takes advantage of the pleasant views and topography.
 01:12:40   6    a lot of tree removal in that area. I kind of like                01:14:58   6    Park shelter provides shade in a core area of the
 01:12:44   7    creating all the activities in and around the shelter             01:15:02   7    park. And though no permanent restrooms are included
 01:12:48   8    element like you were suggesting before. We wanted                01:15:04   8    in the concept at this time, they can be easily
 01:12:52   9    to create a reservable space. Everything occurs                   01:15:06   9    accommodated.
 01:12:56   10   within this area and within view.                                 01:15:08   10                And parking is being minimized to include
 01:13:02   11        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Anybody else?                            01:15:12   11   bio cut-in capacity from the previous concepts.
 01:13:06   12        MR. GOTHAM: Todd?                                            01:15:16   12   These are the fewest number of spaces we have shown
 01:13:08   13        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you.                               01:15:18   13   to date, and it also include a bio-swale and permeable
 01:13:08   14        MR. REESE: Thanks, Doug. If I could summarize,               01:15:24   14   surface concept.
 01:13:10   15   please? Clearly the theme of the master plan is a                 01:15:24   15                As Dan mentioned, we're looking for
 01:13:16   16   neighborhood park, that's the primary focus and                   01:15:26   16   consensus or approval on the master plan tonight.
 01:13:20   17   theme, while also providing park and recreation value             01:15:30   17   We are not asking for funding but only to adopt or
 01:13:24   18   to the community as a whole. Open space is clearly                01:15:32   18   approve the master plan. With that said, staff
 01:13:28   19   a large element for a large part of the theme. The                01:15:36   19   believes the master plan process has been thorough
 01:13:30   20   large central green open space gives us flexibility               01:15:38   20   and comprehensive. We have sent out public notice
 01:13:34   21   in uses for unprogrammed activities. This may                     01:15:42   21   on all occasions, and we feel we have a majority
 01:13:38   22   include informal sports, kite flying, frisbee, etc.               01:15:46   22   consensus on most if not all of the items included

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 01:13:42   1              St. Joseph's Creek is a unique feature of               01:15:50   1    in the program statement.
 01:13:44   2    the site and a hidden gem in the community which                  01:15:50   2                 Staff requests the board review the master
 01:13:46   3    should be enhanced and preserved. Walking trails are              01:15:54   3    plan, approve or adopt concept 11B as the final
 01:13:50   4    included to provide fitness opportunities to                      01:15:58   4    master plan of Sterling North, Bending Oaks West,
 01:13:54   5    entertain walking and jogging activities and to                   01:16:02   5    1923 and 1925 Curtiss Street and additionally,
 01:13:56   6    interconnect different program elements. Interpretive             01:16:06   6    pending approval, that you direct staff to refine

 01:14:00   7    trails and signage are included which include                     01:16:08   7    the cost estimates, examine potential funding sources,
 01:14:04   8    educational opportunities in conjunction with the                 01:16:12   8    explore grant opportunities and prepare a
 01:14:04   9    stream-edge, meadow, prairie and wetland ecosystems.              01:16:16   9    preliminary timeframe for implementation. And with
 01:14:06   10            The northwest trail link was an item                     01:16:18   10   that we'd be happy to answer any additional questions.
 01:14:10   11   that we had identified in earlier concepts, and it                01:16:22   11   Thank you.
 01:14:12   12   provides a potential link to the northwest in the                 01:16:24   12        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thanks, Todd.
 01:14:14   13   future. A dog park was discussed but would not be                 01:16:32   13                Am I able to adjust the agenda and let
 01:14:16   14   a consideration at this site.                                     01:16:36   14   any visitors who want to comment upon this do that
 01:14:20   15             Playground amenities are included for                   01:16:40   15   at this time so that they don't have to sit through
 01:14:22   16   children of all age levels and all abilities. A                   01:16:42   16   the next discussion?

 01:14:24   17   basketball court is discussed as a half court concept.            01:16:46   17        MR. CERMAK: Yes, with the concurrence of your
 01:14:28   18   As Doug pointed out, it is for a neighborhood park                01:16:48   18   board.
 01:14:32   19   a friendly component versus a full court basketball               01:16:50   19        MS. SLEETER: I was going to suggest the same

 01:14:36   20   court. The tennis courts, we feel, bring an                       01:16:50   20   thing.
 01:14:38   21   appropriate activity to the neighborhood, and it                  01:16:52   21        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: At this time I open it
 01:14:40   22   also addresses a seven court system-wide deficit.                 01:16:56   22   up to any visitors who would like to comment upon
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 01:17:00   1    this particular set of drawings. Any comments? And                01:19:38   1              Whether you put a tennis court or basketball

 01:17:02   2    again this is very preliminary. These are just                    01:19:40   2    court or any other stuff right in this little small
 01:17:06   3    plans. We have no funding for this. The board has                 01:19:44   3    area it's not something that I care one way or the
 01:17:08   4    not approved it. We are just looking at what                      01:19:48   4    other about. The entire project doesn't have any

 01:17:10   5    concepts might we be able to do with a park that's                01:19:54   5    umph to me. And spending a million and a half more
 01:17:16   6    not utilized today.                                               01:19:58   6    on top of the cost of the lots that you already
 01:17:16   7         MR. JAY LEVINE: My name is Jay Levine. I                     01:20:00   7    purchased, I don't see the value.
 01:17:20   8    live at 1919 Curtiss, just -- right about here.                   01:20:04   8              And I am in favor of parks. I play tennis.
 01:17:28   9    That's close enough.                                              01:20:08   9    I like tennis. I like to walk through this area
 01:17:34   10        MR. JAROS: Point that out one more time,                     01:20:12   10   and take photographs. But there is nothing really
 01:17:38   11   please.                                                           01:20:14   11   standing out here that's worth a lot of money to
 01:17:38   12        MR. LEVINE: Right here. I am on Curtiss. This                01:20:16   12   me. And if you can fit it into your budget then
 01:17:44   13   is the empty lot right now, and I guess this is my                01:20:20   13   more power to you. But the maintenance costs are
 01:17:50   14   house right here. I am set back a little bit. So                  01:20:24   14   going to be probably triple what the cost of
 01:17:52   15   I am pretty close to that.                                        01:20:28   15   developing it in the first place are because it
 01:17:54   16             Throughout these hearings I have attended               01:20:32   16   just overgrows with weeds. If you are going to be
 01:17:58   17   and been, of course, extremely interested, tried to               01:20:34   17   planting new trees that'll be something nice, but
 01:18:02   18   be positive and helpful. The one objection most                   01:20:38   18   most of the trees in there are weedy ugly trees
 01:18:08   19   of us had at the beginning before we knew what details            01:20:42   19   that have no color at all.
 01:18:12   20   there were was we really don't like a parking lot                 01:20:44   20        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: I think if you are taking
 01:18:14   21   in the middle of a residential neighborhood where                 01:20:44   21   pictures of McCollum, if you go back thirty years
 01:18:16   22   they're building three quarter of a million dollar                01:20:48   22   there wasn't a whole lot there either. Certainly

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 01:18:18   1    homes and over a million dollars just further east                01:20:50   1    if you can take pictures there today there's a lot
 01:18:20   2    of me.                                                            01:20:52   2    of things that have been done. And I think over
 01:18:22   3              Parks are beautiful if they're properly                 01:20:56   3    time certainly the park district has done a lot of
 01:18:26   4    designed and maintained. I go to Gilbert Park and                 01:20:58   4    things to make those parks what they are today.
 01:18:32   5    McCollum Park frequently to walk. And I am a                      01:21:02   5         MR. LEVINE: It would take a lot of things to
 01:18:38   6    photographer. I take a lot of gorgeous pictures                   01:21:04   6    make a McCollum out of this. It would take a long

 01:18:40   7    in those two parks. I walk through here quite a                   01:21:06   7    time and a lot of money. Walk through there now.
 01:18:42   8    bit. I have never taken a single photograph here.                 01:21:08   8    You will see what I mean. Thank you.
 01:18:46   9    There's nothing really beautiful about it. The                    01:21:14   9         MR. JAMES SANGALA: I will speak if I may. I
 01:18:48   10   creek in summer has just got enough puddles in it                 01:21:18   10   am a neighbor of Jay's. I live at 1947 Curtiss,
 01:18:52   11   for mosquitoes to breed. It is not a beautiful                    01:21:24   11   which is this area right here.
 01:18:56   12   flowing river.                                                    01:21:26   12        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Your name for the record?
 01:18:58   13             The one path you have through the back                  01:21:28   13        MR. SANGALA: This creek continues up my lot
 01:19:04   14   end here is six- to eight-foot-high weeds. I don't                01:21:32   14   line and makes a right angle turn behind the rest of
 01:19:10   15   walk through there in summertime; the weeds are                   01:21:36   15   the lots towards Belmont Road. October 2nd as you're
 01:19:14   16   over my head. You can put a path in there and still               01:21:40   16   all aware we had a lot of rain, all right? My

 01:19:16   17   be surrounded by nothing but weeds and it's really                01:21:44   17   backyard right here which is higher than this area
 01:19:20   18   ugly. The only nice trees out in front are these                  01:21:48   18   here had three feet of water. This high. This is
 01:19:24   19   Norwegian pines which are currently in this area.                 01:21:52   19   my visual aid. If you were to even walk through this

 01:19:28   20   I hope that those are not torn down because those                 01:21:56   20   area back here you would have to have at least a hip
 01:19:32   21   are the only nice trees out of the whole seven                    01:22:02   21   wader. This area here after several days when the
 01:19:34   22   acres.                                                            01:22:04   22   water receded from this area there was sand bars
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 01:22:08   1    literally scattered across these paths. Any pathway                    01:24:20   1    area. In 1997 in the back of my house here I got

 01:22:14   2    here constructed of wood chips or screenings would                     01:24:26   2    a permit for an aboveground pool. Now, the permit

 01:22:18   3    be washed away and probably end up in my backyard                      01:24:30   3    was being held up for stormwater approval from the

 01:22:20   4    as it took me a week to clean up the debris that came                  01:24:32   4    village engineering department. First Chris Revis

 01:22:24   5    from the first rain. This entire area back here, the                   01:24:36   5    at the time was head of the stormwater department.

 01:22:26   6    old bridge, all it does is collect debris right now,                   01:24:40   6    We had various maps from the county and from the

 01:22:30   7    block the water flow. If you put this bridge farther                   01:24:42   7    village that showed the floodplain area and the

 01:22:32   8    up here it's closer to my backyard. And I am sure                      01:24:46   8    designation between what they call a floodplain

 01:22:36   9    you're going to have people throwing stuff off the                     01:24:48   9    and a floodway. If I could show you just for a

 01:22:38   10   bridge. Every time the water comes up it's in my                       01:24:52   10   second, it came approximately across this line

 01:22:42   11   backyard, it's in my neighbor's and this backyard.                     01:24:58   11   through my backyard. This area up here is floodplain,

 01:22:46   12   It continues to go through the backyards of two or                     01:25:00   12   this is a floodway. This entire area goes under

 01:22:48   13   three houses to the west. And, like I say, anything                    01:25:06   13   water.

 01:22:52   14   you do here is going to get destroyed every time it                    01:25:06   14             Now, what I was told by Chris Revis during

 01:22:54   15   rains more than an inch. This whole area is basically                  01:25:10   15   that time period is I had to provide compensatory

 01:23:00   16   useless like Jay says.                                                 01:25:14   16   storage when I erected that pool in my backyard. And

 01:23:02   17              You can call this creek a gem? It's nothing                 01:25:18   17   I was told at the time that I could not go anywhere

 01:23:04   18   more than an open sewer for the most part. I have                      01:25:22   18   south in the back of my lot to provide that

 01:23:08   19   been cleaning junk out of there for the last thirty                    01:25:24   19   compensatory storage, it had to be north of the

 01:23:10   20   years. I have lived there thirty-two years. I                          01:25:26   20   floodplain line. So I ended up having to put it

 01:23:12   21   could fill this room with the stuff I have pulled                      01:25:30   21   behind my garage. I have a ditch behind my garage.

 01:23:14   22   out of that creek. It's not a gem by any means.                        01:25:34   22   Now, what she told me at the same time was with the

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 01:23:18   1    Sure there are a lot of wildlife back here. There's                    01:25:38   1    designation between the floodplain and the floodway,

 01:23:20   2    been some deer in this area, there's raccoons and                      01:25:40   2    she told me in a floodway there is no construction

 01:23:24   3    possums and other things, a few egrets, a lot of                       01:25:44   3    of any type allowed, there is no changes to the

 01:23:28   4    ducks. But it's nothing that anybody can't see                         01:25:46   4    topography allowed. I had to get several engineering

 01:23:32   5    somewhere else.                                                        01:25:50   5    firms to do topographical surveys of my yard to

 01:23:32   6               I mean I have personally never talked to                    01:25:56   6    determine how much compensatory storage had to be

 01:23:36   7    anyone who's expressed an interest in developing                       01:25:58   7    removed and the heights and levels of different

 01:23:36   8    this area. Seems to me that the park board is --                       01:26:00   8    parts of my yard.

 01:23:40   9    the park district board is the only people interested                  01:26:00   9              I think if you are going to put things

 01:23:42   10   in developing it. And to what avail? The people                        01:26:02   10   in over there there's obviously -- The gentleman

 01:23:46   11   that use it now they use it frequently. Jay uses                       01:26:04   11   spoke of grading. Now, if you are going to move dirt

 01:23:50   12   it, I use it. I walk my dogs around here. But                          01:26:06   12   around you're going to have to provide compensatory

 01:23:54   13   there's not a lot of people that come back there.                      01:26:10   13   storage. Anything you bring in to enhance the

 01:23:56   14   And the reason they don't is, like Jay says, it's                      01:26:12   14   streambank is going to be foreign material brought

 01:23:58   15   not a beautiful place. It is not someplace you                         01:26:14   15   into this area. You cannot bring anything into

 01:24:00   16   want to go. But, you know, wasting this kind of                        01:26:18   16   this area according to the flood control laws. So

 01:24:04   17   money, I can't see it personally. Like I said,                         01:26:22   17   I would like to see more information from your

 01:24:08   18   after thirty-two years I could think of better things.                 01:26:24   18   so-called consultants about what they're going to

 01:24:10   19   Just leaving it alone would be better than trying                      01:26:28   19   be able to do and how they're going to get around

 01:24:12   20   to spend a million and a half dollars on it.                           01:26:30   20   these regulatory issues to build these bridges and

 01:24:14   21              Also I would like to see more information                   01:26:34   21   whatnot that they have in these areas.

 01:24:18   22   on the regulatory issues involved in this floodplain                   01:26:36   22        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you for your comments.
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 01:26:38   1    I don't think we got your name for the record.                        01:29:10   1    that path. I clearly saw water moves through

 01:26:40   2         MR. SANGALA: James Sangala, S-a-n-g-a-l-a.                       01:29:14   2    there.

 01:26:44   3         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you.                                   01:29:16   3         MR. SANGALA: I had ten-inch sand bars in my

 01:27:00   4         MR. MIKE RYAN: My name is Mike Ryan. I live                      01:29:18   4    backyard that washed down the creek, and I had to

 01:27:02   5    at 1927 Bending Oaks Court which is right down here                   01:29:20   5    shovel it out. If you put screenings or wood chips

 01:27:12   6    somewhere. Anyway, I just wanted to give the                          01:29:22   6    in there it's going to end up in my yard. Am I

 01:27:14   7    commissioners a compliment. I commend you and thank                   01:29:24   7    going to have to call the park district to clean

 01:27:18   8    you for listening to the concerns of the neighbors                    01:29:26   8    my yard?

 01:27:20   9    in the neighborhood and trying to incorporate the                     01:29:28   9         MR. JAROS: Mr. President, may I make a brief

 01:27:24   10   best ideas and eliminating some of the other ideas                    01:29:30   10   comment too? Our residents Ryan and Sangala

 01:27:28   11   that were thrown out with the other plans.                            01:29:34   11   expressed the opinion it would not be worth the

 01:27:30   12             The concern I had was the same thing that                   01:29:40   12   cost. I previously expressed and I think it's

 01:27:34   13   the gentleman mentioned before me. By having a path                   01:29:44   13   shared by some of my fellow commissioners since

 01:27:38   14   here, I believe it was at the June meeting that he                    01:29:46   14   any of these concepts would represent a fundamental

 01:27:40   15   mentioned before that that pretty much is flooded                     01:29:50   15   change to this undeveloped park and would involve

 01:27:44   16   over. I am not sure whether the plan before this                      01:29:52   16   significant amounts of money that I would only support

 01:27:48   17   had a path along there but -- that was 11A -- but                     01:29:54   17   a change if it first went to referendum. This

 01:27:54   18   that would be a concern. Other than that --                           01:29:58   18   park belongs to the people in the village. And

 01:27:56   19        MR. JAROS: How about the path on the south                       01:30:00   19   because it is a fundamental change to the very nature

 01:27:58   20   side of the stream? Does that flood out too based                     01:30:04   20   of the park, my philosophy is that let all the people

 01:28:00   21   on your experience?                                                   01:30:08   21   decide, not just three of us make a decision. And

 01:28:02   22        MR. RYAN: Right here?                                            01:30:10   22   so then whether it's worth the cost or not won't be

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 01:28:02   1         MR. JAROS: Up higher. Right there.                               01:30:14   1    decided by us. If my view is adopted by the board

 01:28:06   2         MR. RYAN: I am not sure about that. I know                       01:30:18   2    as a whole it's going to be decided by all the people,

 01:28:08   3    that this area because I have taken my kids back                      01:30:20   3    and the people can discuss it whether they want to

 01:28:10   4    there trying to utilize it, it's always wet. I mean                   01:30:22   4    spend that kind of -- their money on changing the

 01:28:14   5    it doesn't have to rain for it to be wet. They tried                  01:30:24   5    nature of this park from undeveloped to something

 01:28:18   6    to correct that, but it's just always soggy. So I                     01:30:26   6    that is I will call it more functional for more

 01:28:22   7    am not familiar with up here. So thank you.                           01:30:32   7    people.

 01:28:28   8         MR. SALAZAR: Sir, worth two million dollars                      01:30:34   8         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Next visitor, please?

 01:28:30   9    or no?                                                                01:30:36   9         MR. BERNIE BAK: Good evening. My name is

 01:28:32   10        MR. RYAN: Two million?                                           01:30:38   10   Bernie Bak. I live at 1930 Bending Oaks Court

            11        MR. SALAZAR: Yeah.                                               01:30:42   11   which directly borders the property right here.

 01:28:34   12        MR. RYAN: I thought it was quoted at 1.2.                        01:30:48   12   This is my house right here on the drawing. And

 01:28:36   13        MR. SALAZAR: $610,000 for the two houses                         01:30:50   13   so I think this is called Bending Oaks Park. It

 01:28:40   14   torn down by the park.                                                01:30:54   14   is immediately behind my house.

 01:28:46   15        MR. RYAN: Maybe not. But I think that you                        01:30:58   15              I built a house there about seventeen

 01:28:48   16   have got open space there; you should do something                    01:31:00   16   years ago. In that period of time I have seen the

 01:28:50   17   with it. I am not in favor of a dog park.                             01:31:04   17   water in the creek come up approximately to this

 01:28:54   18        MR. SALAZAR: Thumbs up or thumbs down on it?                     01:31:06   18   instance here. This was part of the development

 01:28:56   19        MR. RYAN: I will go with it. And I live there.                   01:31:10   19   to be compensatory storage for the houses that were

 01:29:00   20        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you. Just a comment.                   01:31:12   20   built over here. When they were constructed by

 01:29:02   21   I also walked it after the large rain. And clearly                    01:31:16   21   Sievers Construction they dug this out and created

 01:29:08   22   there's something that would have to be done along                    01:31:20   22   this parcel of land for the compensatory water
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 01:31:24   1    storage. It's a detention area, not retention. As               01:33:38   1    adjacent soil is sampled and tested to determine
 01:31:26   2    pointed out previously it does hold water. It's                 01:33:42   2    whether there is any continuation of that
 01:31:30   3    saturated soils.                                                01:33:44   3    contamination by hazardous material similar to what
 01:31:30   4             Through my efforts probably ten years ago              01:33:50   4    was in Elmwood Industrial Park. That's what was
 01:31:32   5    dealing with prior park district personnel there                01:33:54   5    in the creek.
 01:31:36   6    was a horseshoe-shaped drainage pipe being put in               01:33:56   6               As an aside, there are noxious weeds in
 01:31:40   7    in an attempt to drain the water. It took care of               01:33:58   7    here. If you go out there there's a lot of poison
 01:31:44   8    most of the standing water that would be in there.              01:34:02   8    ivy turning bright red. I think that's prevalent
 01:31:46   9    We still get park district equipment creating ruts              01:34:06   9    in any park district facility given the wild nature
 01:31:50   10   when they try to cut the grass because it is very               01:34:10   10   of it. It is pretty prevalent right now. Perhaps
 01:31:52   11   saturated. If you were to walk through there on                 01:34:12   11   we can do something with that for the users of the
 01:31:54   12   any day during the summer, June, July or August,                01:34:14   12   village.
 01:31:56   13   you could lose your shoes in that soil.                         01:34:14   13              One thing I wanted to point out, I am not
 01:32:00   14            A couple of the items I want to point out.             01:34:18   14   sure if the park district is aware of this but the
 01:32:06   15   One of the residents talked about finding sandbars              01:34:20   15   residences that border the park and all the ones
 01:32:10   16   and mulch in his yard. Probably a thousand dollars              01:34:22   16   in the area, there's a restrictive covenant in the
 01:32:12   17   of that came out of my yard. Because I don't know               01:34:26   17   property preventing the erection of anything but
 01:32:16   18   if it was studied, but the rear of my lot is swaled             01:34:30   18   split rail fence. Currently in the rear of my
 01:32:20   19   and there is an area of probably three feet wide                01:34:32   19   property there is no fence. There is a split rail
 01:32:24   20   there. When we had that storm on October 2nd where              01:34:34   20   fence over here, I believe there is a splint rail
 01:32:26   21   the water was probably a foot deep and four feet                01:34:38   21   fence over here by the Greens', but there is no
 01:32:30   22   wide, that was draining water from all the way up               01:34:40   22   other type of fencing that can be erected by the

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 01:32:36   1    to Lee Street -- I mean not Lee, Elmwood Street,                01:34:44   1    residents to buffer their property from this
 01:32:40   2    and it was going all the way down to the creek.                 01:34:46   2    particular parcel of land. So I want to make sure
 01:32:42   3    So there's a natural drain there. And I have that               01:34:50   3    that you understand that. That means a homeowner --
 01:32:44   4    naturally landscaped with mulch and everything,                 01:34:52   4    I find myself, if traffic and activity in the area
 01:32:46   5    and that was what was pulled away.                              01:34:54   5    is increased, there is not a way for me to prevent
 01:32:48   6             I have an area where I have riprap put                 01:34:58   6    that from going right into my yard. And this is
 01:32:52   7    in place to try to control the erosion. And rocks               01:35:02   7    an open area.
 01:32:56   8    the size of sixteen-inch softballs were being moved             01:35:02   8               I think that pretty much covers my points.
 01:33:00   9    by the force of the water. There was a tremendous               01:35:08   9    I applaud the effort and the energy that's gone to
 01:33:02   10   amount of water flowing back here that I am not sure            01:35:14   10   the many iterations of a design. I know there was
 01:33:06   11   was observed during the work done by the engineering            01:35:18   11   talk about having a structure here. And someone, I
 01:33:08   12   firm.                                                           01:35:20   12   think one of the park board members, envisioned
 01:33:10   13            Another thing to point out. When I was                 01:35:24   13   having weddings out there. This really isn't a
 01:33:12   14   purchasing the house, I am not sure if the condition            01:35:26   14   convenient area for parking over here. I am not
 01:33:14   15   still exists but I had learned that St. Joseph's                01:35:30   15   sure if people would park here, go across saturated
 01:33:18   16   Creek was contaminated with chlorinated solvents                01:35:34   16   soils, lose their shoes in the mud and pose for
 01:33:22   17   from some activities in Downtown Downers Grove over             01:35:36   17   pictures. If you want to do that maybe you could
 01:33:24   18   the years. I don't know if they have ever                       01:35:38   18   erect a pergola at Downers Grove Golf Course. I
 01:33:26   19   identified or isolated the responsible party for                01:35:42   19   have seen very beautiful vistas there. I have taken
 01:33:28   20   that, but that's a question I would put on the table            01:35:44   20   some pictures, donated them to the park district.
 01:33:30   21   to confirm that, if this is to be developed to make             01:35:48   21   If you want to have a venue for having a nice setting
 01:33:34   22   sure that the soil and water conditions and any                 01:35:50   22   with beautiful vistas where people could have a
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 01:35:52   1    wedding event, maybe you could do it at the park                 01:38:04   1    obstruction to the flow. I had to take a log this
 01:35:54   2    district -- at the golf course. There's adequate                 01:38:08   2    big around six feet long from my neighbor's bridge
 01:35:58   3    parking and you have a building there for                        01:38:10   3    to let the water flow underneath it. It's at
 01:36:00   4    inclement weather. Thank you.                                    01:38:12   4    ground level. According to the village code you
 01:36:02   5        MR. SALAZAR: Thumbs up or thumbs down?                       01:38:14   5    have to raise a bridge three feet above the ground
 01:36:04   6        MR. BAK: I would like to see it, but I would                 01:38:18   6    over there. Again I would like to see some
 01:36:08   7    like to be personally involved. If there is a way                01:38:20   7    regulatory issues brought in here about the flood
 01:36:10   8    to, you know -- I am not in favor of putting this                01:38:22   8    control and the floodway.
 01:36:12   9    through the middle of that field just because of                 01:38:28   9        MS. COLETTE HUEBNER: I am Colette Huebner.
 01:36:14   10   traffic that goes through there. I question the                  01:38:34   10   And my fiancee Ray Dragga and I live right across
 01:36:20   11   type of walking path you would create with a mulch               01:38:38   11   from what is now this empty park here. And I take
 01:36:24   12   or a bark setting because there's very saturated                 01:38:42   12   it this resident's parking area and this field
 01:36:28   13   soils back there. The roof of my house, the roof                 01:38:44   13   here is the two lots that you purchased that are
 01:36:30   14   has a lot of moisture in it. Everything is mossy,                01:38:48   14   being rented now, right?
 01:36:34   15   it's wet, it's damp. There isn't a lot of air                    01:38:48   15       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Yes.
 01:36:38   16   movement. I think there could be better utilization              01:38:50   16       MS. HUEBNER: So our first concern is has
 01:36:40   17   of the existing properties, but I have a concern                 01:38:52   17   anybody thought about the additional traffic?
 01:36:42   18   about how do you do it in a way that makes it                    01:38:54   18   Because we do also have that overpass or underpass
 01:36:46   19   acceptable to the users.                                         01:39:00   19   at Belmont which from what we heard is going to cut
 01:36:48   20       MR. SALAZAR: Thumbs up or down?                              01:39:02   20   off Hitchcock. So the traffic that already goes
 01:36:52   21       MR. BAK: If this was the final plan I would                  01:39:06   21   down Hitchcock for the people that are trying to get
 01:36:56   22   be thumbs down on this piece here.                               01:39:08   22   from Main Street down to Belmont and take Hitchcock
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 01:36:56   1        MR. JAROS: The trails?                                       01:39:12   1    won't be able to do that. So they're already
 01:36:58   2        MR. BAK: Yes. I assume this is hardscaping                   01:39:14   2    going to be on Curtiss. Now we have a park too.
 01:37:00   3    right here? I can't tell from this. I thought                    01:39:16   3    So there's going to be more traffic there.
 01:37:02   4    the white was bark and the -- the dark was bark                  01:39:18   4             And we also have more foot traffic because
 01:37:08   5    and the white was -- What material is this path                  01:39:24   5    the sidewalk is on the other side of the street. So
 01:37:10   6    here?                                                            01:39:28   6    anybody walking to this park is going to be walking
 01:37:12   7        MS. BERG: This area is asphalt, this type of                 01:39:30   7    on our side of the street and then they're going
 01:37:22   8    path through here. And this is mowed or wood chips.              01:39:32   8    to be crossing over like our driveway. Because
 01:37:28   9    The darker is mowed or wood chips.                               01:39:34   9    the way this looks it looks like this in and out
 01:37:30   10       MR. BAK: I think the plan as shown, the                      01:39:38   10   right here is -- the people that are going to be
 01:37:34   11   previous slide was the one that I preferred where                01:39:42   11   driving out will go right into our driveway if they
 01:37:38   12   this was left open. I guess the bridge there is                  01:39:44   12   keep going straight. But they will be coming in
 01:37:40   13   just an issue. Are there two bridges in this                     01:39:48   13   kind of looks like my neighbor's driveway because
 01:37:42   14   design?                                                          01:39:50   14   our driveways are right next to each other right
 01:37:44   15       MS. BERG: One is a ford. It's an at-ground                   01:39:52   15   here separated by bricks. And, you know, we're just
 01:37:46   16   grade crossing; it is not a typical bridge. It                   01:39:56   16   concerned it's heading right towards our house.
 01:37:50   17   actually allows water to flow through it if I am                 01:39:58   17   So is there any kind of hours? Is this going to
 01:37:54   18   correct, Doug.                                                   01:40:06   18   be a dawn-to-dusk type of park? Because we don't
 01:37:54   19       MR. GOTHAM: Right. It is not an obstruction                  01:40:10   19   really want headlights coming into our front window.
 01:37:58   20   to the flow at all.                                              01:40:14   20       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: That certainly was the
 01:38:00   21       MS. BERG: Right.                                             01:40:16   21   concept that we have discussed in the past. There
 01:38:02   22       MR. SANGALA: Every other bridge is an                        01:40:18   22   is no lighting of any kind.
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 01:40:18   1         MS. HUEBNER: No lighting in this at all?                       01:42:12   1    a final path it would be level, right?

 01:40:20   2         MR. GELWICKS: Not that I am aware of unless                    01:42:14   2          RAYMOND HUEBNER: It's a big mud pit too.
 01:40:22   3    there is something in the parking areas just                        01:42:20   3          MS. HUEBNER: Okay. And this water retention.
 01:40:24   4    because of security.                                                01:42:22   4    I see you won't -- Right now this is the field that's

 01:40:26   5         MR. CERMAK: It would be security lighting.                     01:42:26   5    right across from my lot, and this water sits here
 01:40:26   6    Since there is no athletic lighting here it would                   01:42:30   6    even when it rains just a little bit. There's
 01:40:30   7    be a dawn-to-dusk park.                                             01:42:34   7    probably a 15- to 20-foot diameter circle of water
 01:40:30   8         MS. HUEBNER: That takes care of that. Lights                   01:42:38   8    all the time when it even rains just a bit. Now
 01:40:36   9    directly into the window we talked about. Not going                 01:42:40   9    you're moving this over. It looks like right here
 01:40:38   10   to be open at night, no lights in the field, that's                 01:42:44   10   is going to be water retention. Is that going to
 01:40:40   11   good.                                                               01:42:48   11   be big enough? It'll have to be deeper or something
 01:40:40   12               There's also a fire hydrant you're probably             01:42:52   12   to hold this water because there's always a lot of
 01:40:44   13   going to have to move. The fire hydrant is right                    01:42:54   13   water. I am thinking you're still going to have a
 01:40:46   14   across from us, so it's going to be right where your                01:42:58   14   lot of water sitting at the entrance of the parking
 01:40:50   15   driveway is. That's going to have to be moved. And                  01:43:00   15   area.
 01:40:52   16   my son here is real concerned about those wetlands.                 01:43:00   16             Okay. Wetlands, fire hydrants, no lights
 01:40:56   17   He actually enjoys them.                                            01:43:06   17   in the field. That's good. Water retention big
 01:40:58   18        RAYMOND HUEBNER: I don't go down there but I                   01:43:08   18   enough.
 01:41:00   19   go on the path around here.                                         01:43:08   19             Our mailbox is right there. We already
 01:41:02   20        MS. HUEBNER: Why don't you go down there?                      01:43:12   20   have trouble with people hitting it, knocking it
 01:41:04   21        RAYMOND HUEBNER: Because it's mushy. I                         01:43:14   21   over. There's garbage in there, things that we
 01:41:06   22   don't want it to --                                                 01:43:18   22   don't want to talk about found in our mailbox. So

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 01:41:08   1         MS. HUEBNER: To be gone?                                       01:43:22   1    we would hope that, I don't know, maybe we can just
 01:41:10   2         RAYMOND HUEBNER: You know, because it's                        01:43:24   2    move it down a little further or something so that
 01:41:12   3    protected.                                                          01:43:26   3    we don't have to deal with that.
 01:41:14   4         MS. HUEBNER: It's protected so he wants to                     01:43:28   4              And the last thing was was the soil testing.
 01:41:16   5    make sure it stays protected. I pretty much only                    01:43:32   5    Somebody did bring that up. We have heard that this
 01:41:18   6    use this part of the park. If I back go there I                     01:43:34   6    was like an old sanitary district area at one point.

 01:41:22   7    walk with them, and once they start going over there                01:43:38   7    Yeah, so there might be problems with that.
 01:41:26   8    I don't go there because it is always wet and buggy.                01:43:42   8          RAYMOND HUEBNER: So are you going to put
 01:41:28   9    I went back there one time when it was dry enough.                  01:43:44   9    more new plants in that area? I know you
 01:41:32   10   It must have been a dry spell. Right in the middle                  01:43:48   10   mentioned you had some and you got rid of them.
 01:41:36   11   of this there's actually -- like one of these                       01:43:52   11         MS. HUEBNER: Right. You took down some nice
 01:41:38   12   gentlemen said there's weeds that are seven, eight                  01:43:56   12   walnut trees behind the lots.
 01:41:42   13   feet tall. There's chairs down there. Kids have                     01:43:58   13         RAYMOND HUEBNER: And you took out a bunch of
 01:41:46   14   brought folding chairs and set up a little fort inside              01:44:00   14   plants in the wetlands.
 01:41:50   15   there. So it's a little hangout for them. I don't                   01:44:02   15         MS. HUEBNER: That's supposed to be --
 01:41:52   16   know what it is they're exactly doing in there, but                 01:44:04   16         RAYMOND HUEBNER: Protected. But I heard

 01:41:54   17   they're there because they made their own seating.                  01:44:06   17   most of them are non-native.
 01:41:58   18        RAYMOND HUEBNER: Also the path. I think you're                 01:44:08   18         MS. HUEBNER: So that's okay, right? We just
 01:42:02   19   going to take care of that, but I thought we should                 01:44:10   19   want to protect the native plants. I think that's

 01:42:04   20   improve that path around there. You can't really                    01:44:14   20   it.
 01:42:10   21   go on it.                                                           01:44:16   21         MR. SALAZAR: What's your bottom line and what's
 01:42:10   22        MS. HUEBNER: Right. If that was going to be                    01:44:22   22   Ray's bottom line?
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 01:44:22   1          MS. HUEBNER: What do you think, Raymond? We                    01:46:38   1    I have lived there for thirty-five years. I am not

 01:44:24   2    like that little park area. We thought that might                    01:46:42   2    so naive as to think I can stop this development,

 01:44:26   3    be cool. We could probably rent that for birthday                    01:46:46   3    but I can see an enormous change in our neighborhood

 01:44:30   4    parties and we'd have a place for everybody to                       01:46:52   4    and certainly in my individual environment. I have

 01:44:32   5    park. Pretty much all we see anybody uses it for                     01:46:58   5    over the years developed wildflowers and a nice

 01:44:36   6    now is they go back there with their dogs or golf                    01:47:02   6    little nature area in here as the center for all

 01:44:38   7    clubs. You will probably find a lot of golf balls.                   01:47:10   7    the activity and noise we're going to have. It

 01:44:42   8    They swing a lot of golf balls there. But this area                  01:47:12   8    will affect me and this very nice new house here,

 01:44:44   9    is kind of nice. It is nice to have something back                   01:47:16   9    Jay and these folks right here. Particularly me

 01:44:48   10   there and make it a little bit useful. But this                      01:47:22   10   to be honest. It seems to impact me the most of all.

 01:44:50   11   left side, it's scary.                                               01:47:26   11              I have lived here a long time. I guess

 01:44:52   12         RAYMOND HUEBNER: What do you mean scary?                       01:47:30   12   there is a fight or flight instinct in all of us.

 01:44:54   13         MS. HUEBNER: Mommy doesn't even go back there                  01:47:34   13   I am going to see what happens, and then I will

 01:44:56   14   with you and daddy because it's so wet, and I am                     01:47:38   14   decide whether to flight or try to live with it.

 01:45:00   15   afraid we're going to slip and fall in the mud and                   01:47:42   15   I was taking up golf. I guess I could go back and

 01:45:02   16   crud and bugs. So if anybody is going to do something                01:47:46   16   try to take up basketball again. It is a nice

 01:45:04   17   there, I would just be ready.                                        01:47:50   17   area to shoot a few baskets. Tennis, I don't know.

 01:45:08   18              So yeah, I would say some of it is pretty                 01:47:54   18   Do we have horseshoes in other parks in town? Are

 01:45:12   19   cool because the land isn't that bad over here. Even                 01:47:56   19   there horseshoes in other parks?

 01:45:14   20   when they mow this field right across from us now                    01:47:58   20        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: McCollum.

 01:45:18   21   it's already low. They're already leaving ruts in                    01:48:00   21        MS. DOTY: Sand volleyball?

 01:45:22   22   the grass from when they cut the grass because it's                  01:48:02   22        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: McCollum.

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 01:45:24   1    just low as it is. So if they do start building it                   01:48:04   1         MS. DOTY: Big parks, major parks with lots

 01:45:30   2    seems like it's just going to make the water divert                  01:48:08   2    of land. I don't know what else to say. This is

 01:45:34   3    somewhere else. If this is all built here I wouldn't                 01:48:10   3    going to have a big impact on me, and I guess I

 01:45:36   4    be surprised if more water went into that parking                    01:48:14   4    will just have to decide what to do. Thank you.

 01:45:38   5    area or back in this area further. It's just going                   01:48:18   5         MR. SALAZAR: Carol, thumbs up or thumbs down?

 01:45:44   6    to be an empty field. There's a backstop where                       01:48:22   6         MS. DOTY: I don't care. It's up to you.

 01:45:46   7    you can play baseball.                                               01:48:24   7         MR. STEVE BREWTON: Steve Brewton. I live at

 01:45:54   8          PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you. Just a comment                  01:48:30   8    1945 Curtiss which is right in here. These trails

 01:45:58   9    on questions about the environmental. One of the                     01:48:36   9    that you guys have up here, I am not scared of them

 01:46:02   10   reasons why we delayed a long time even looking at                   01:48:38   10   because we live right there. My kids play back

 01:46:04   11   this had to do with the EPA, getting the EPA results                 01:48:40   11   there all the time except when it's overly flooded

 01:46:08   12   back on this site. And they did an extensive                         01:48:44   12   which is just pretty recently. What happens here

 01:46:12   13   testing and everything came through clear on that.                   01:48:48   13   is these trails are pretty much animal trails that

 01:46:14   14   I don't know whether the testing needs to be done                    01:48:52   14   when I had a dog or Jim would mow them to make sure

 01:46:18   15   on the creek before moving forward here, but                         01:48:56   15   we had a bigger area than just small little animal

 01:46:20   16   certainly it's something we're well aware of and                     01:48:58   16   trails. We have actually done some of the work

 01:46:22   17   working diligently with the appropriate authorities                  01:49:00   17   for you guys on this one.

 01:46:26   18   on.                                                                  01:49:00   18              The interesting part is, like Jim said,

 01:46:26   19         MR. CERMAK: Right.                                             01:49:04   19   if it rains three inches in an hour these are all

 01:46:28   20         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Good evening.                              01:49:08   20   gone. There's nothing there any more. I had

 01:46:28   21         MS. CAROL DOTY: I am Carol Doty. I live at                     01:49:10   21   actually put -- I had a big swingset here. I had

 01:46:30   22   1921 Curtiss. This is my house, this is my garage.                   01:49:14   22   people come in and park this way and walk over here
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 01:49:18   1    and play on my swingset because they think it's part               01:51:26   1    What you have just now created is a dam for the

 01:49:20   2    of the park.                                                       01:51:28   2    rain. If you want to go out there the next time
 01:49:22   3              It's a nice area. I do take pictures of                  01:51:30   3    it rains make sure you go there when it's raining.
 01:49:24   4    it. But you have to realize that I had to put a                    01:51:34   4    After the rain it's not that much fun. It recedes

 01:49:26   5    berm up around my swingset just to save my wood chips              01:51:38   5    quickly. It'll build up from -- This bridge here
 01:49:30   6    because otherwise I'm going to get them from Jim's                 01:51:40   6    is ground level. So is the bridge next to it. And
 01:49:34   7    yard every time it rains. It is not that exciting                  01:51:42   7    both of those are 2 x 6s which act like forks and
 01:49:36   8    for me.                                                            01:51:46   8    pick up all the stuff and cause damming. You go
 01:49:38   9              But I am for doing something with this                   01:51:50   9    there and see. It's pretty much from the split rail
 01:49:40   10   area. I think that putting a playground in, my                     01:51:56   10   fence all the way up here is just full of debris
 01:49:44   11   kids would love that. They play back there right                   01:51:58   11   because the water last time came all the way through,
 01:49:46   12   now as it is. I don't see any harm with it. There                  01:52:00   12   I think, into back up into here. I know I had stuff
 01:49:50   13   is overgrown weeds and poison ivy. The good thing                  01:52:06   13   all the way through my yard. So just a little
 01:49:56   14   is they're not allergic to it any more. So to me                   01:52:08   14   background.
 01:49:58   15   it's worked out rather well. They play here a lot.                 01:52:10   15        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you.
 01:50:00   16   Their friends come over and get poison ivy, but                    01:52:12   16        MR. FRANK FALESCH: Hi. I am Frank Falesch,
 01:50:04   17   once they do they learn where it is.                               01:52:24   17   820 Prairie. And I have to commend the board on
 01:50:08   18             This area is pretty wooded right now. At                 01:52:26   18   the Washington Park improvements. That is really
 01:50:10   19   least it was until somebody came in and took a lot                 01:52:30   19   being used, and it was used from the day it was
 01:50:12   20   of trees out. It would be nice to leave it wooded                  01:52:34   20   finished. So we really appreciate that.
 01:50:14   21   the way it is now. We have had deer back there.                    01:52:36   21              But I am looking at this project. One
 01:50:18   22   There's all kinds of wildlife. I have got pictures                 01:52:38   22   million dollars here, a million dollars there. I

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 01:50:22   1    of just about everything back there from the deer                  01:52:42   1    think the citizens are thinking of balanced budgets.
 01:50:22   2    to the raccoons, possums, skunks, whatever. You                    01:52:46   2    And I think you really should be a little bit more
 01:50:26   3    name it we got it. There's a lot of good nature                    01:52:48   3    careful.
 01:50:30   4    stuff that is already back there. So I would kind                  01:52:50   4               Now, as I understand it there wasn't a
 01:50:32   5    of not be more commercializing it than leaving it                  01:52:52   5    referendum for the million plus dollars that was
 01:50:36   6    the way that it is. Maybe putting some paths in                    01:52:58   6    spent for the artificial turf at Doerhoefer Park,

 01:50:40   7    that aren't going to wash away every time it rains                 01:53:00   7    I think, as Mr. Jaros had recommended for this.
 01:50:42   8    would help out.                                                    01:53:04   8    So I am a little amazed that we went into that. I
 01:50:44   9              This area here is going to be inundated                  01:53:12   9    don't think it was worth it. Plus there's going
 01:50:46   10   with water no matter what you do every single time                 01:53:14   10   to be a lot of maintenance on the artificial turf.
 01:50:48   11   it rains. This area here is a little bit higher.                   01:53:18   11   You just can't put it in and leave it. Thank you.
 01:50:50   12   But that would not be something that you couldn't                  01:53:22   12        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you.
 01:50:54   13   not grade. Going back there and playing a lot back                 01:53:24   13        MR. CHUCK KIRK: Good evening. I just recently
 01:50:58   14   there there's gopher holes and everything else.                    01:53:32   14   became aware of this project, so I can't say that
 01:51:00   15   It is not an area you would want to have kids run                  01:53:34   15   I am prepared for this.
 01:51:04   16   around in. Even my kids don't run around there                     01:53:36   16        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Name please?

 01:51:06   17   much. If they do it's only to hide from somebody                   01:53:38   17        MR. KIRK: Chuck Kirk. I own a property
 01:51:10   18   else in the big weeds.                                             01:53:40   18   immediately east of the tennis courts there, am
 01:51:10   19             And this side here, this isn't a path here               01:53:42   19   currently building a house there. And from what I

 01:51:14   20   as far as I know. I think that's a proposed path.                  01:53:50   20   have seen on this, this entire neighborhood, the
 01:51:16   21   And this side is a little bit higher. And also, like               01:53:52   21   reason people like this neighborhood is it's very
 01:51:20   22   you said, this bridge, this bridge is ground level.                01:53:54   22   quiet, calm, no traffic, no noise. This will change
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 01:53:58   1    the entire character of that area. I see no                       01:56:46   1    develop an area when they have a beautiful park like

 01:54:04   2    provisions being made for compensating property                   01:56:50   2    Gilbert Park only two blocks to the east. I mean

 01:54:08   3    owners for changing that environment whatsoever                   01:56:54   3    there's plenty of space down there for anybody who

 01:54:10   4    including noise, car traffic, early morning noise,                01:56:56   4    wants to use it. They have a covered area where

 01:54:16   5    late evening noise.                                               01:57:02   5    they can have picnics and whatnot. And, like I say,

 01:54:18   6                As I walked that park several times I found           01:57:06   6    especially I could see maybe developing something

 01:54:20   7    many times beer cans and whatnot back in there.                   01:57:08   7    on the high part of the ground, you know. But that

 01:54:26   8    We're basically giving people better access to these              01:57:14   8    part to the west would be just a pain in the butt for

 01:54:28   9    hidden areas back there. And I am not -- certainly                01:57:18   9    the park district to maintain. And it wouldn't

 01:54:32   10   not a fan of the project for that reason as well                  01:57:20   10   provide any kind of, you know, recreation to anybody

 01:54:34   11   as the fact that everything is concentrated on one                01:57:24   11   who wasn't interested in getting poison ivy or

 01:54:38   12   side where the most impact is on very few people.                 01:57:28   12   coming home with muddy feet. I just can't see

 01:54:48   13   This is a big open park. Everything is concentrated               01:57:30   13   putting that kind of money into this area. That's

 01:54:52   14   in one area where it's going to impact people                     01:57:34   14   all I have to say.

 01:54:54   15   bordering right at that area. Like I said, I just                 01:57:34   15        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Okay. Anyone else? Are

 01:55:00   16   became aware of this. I am not really prepared for                01:57:44   16   you looking for approval on this as a master plan?

 01:55:02   17   this. But I would be totally against this concept                 01:57:46   17        MR. CERMAK: Yes, we are.

 01:55:08   18   as it is.                                                         01:57:50   18        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do I have a motion to do

 01:55:08   19               There's water in this bottom corner here as           01:57:52   19   that?

 01:55:12   20   well. Every time it rains it floods on this side.                 01:57:52   20        MR. JAROS: What is this? One of these?

 01:55:16   21   It floods right there. I don't see any benefit to                 01:57:56   21        MR. CERMAK: The staff recommendation, I

 01:55:24   22   any property owners in that area including Curtiss                01:57:58   22   believe, as contained in Director Reese's cover

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 01:55:30   1    Street where people just walk and walk down the                   01:58:08   1    memo was 11B. Adopt or approve concept 11B as the

 01:55:32   2    streets and chitchat. With the additional traffic                 01:58:12   2    final master plan, and then pending approval direct

 01:55:34   3    and noise I don't see where this is benefitting the               01:58:16   3    staff to refine cost estimates, examine potential

 01:55:36   4    community whatsoever, especially for a million two.               01:58:20   4    funding sources, explore grant opportunities and

 01:55:40   5    I think the people that want to use that park use                 01:58:22   5    prepare a preliminary timeframe.

 01:55:42   6    it currently as it is, as a big open area. And the                01:58:26   6         MR. JAROS: Mr. President, I think that the

 01:55:50   7    additional benefits from it, I just don't see it                  01:58:28   7    residents have pointed out some valid concerns about

 01:55:52   8    especially for a million two. I would like to see                 01:58:32   8    the chip-covered trail being washed away. I don't

 01:55:56   9    more details basically over time. But at this point               01:58:38   9    know what the appropriate procedure is, but I should

 01:56:00   10   I can't support this project whatsoever.                          01:58:40   10   think that maybe staff could -- should or could first

 01:56:02   11         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Thank you.                              01:58:44   11   look at that before we bless the exact 11B.

 01:56:10   12         MR. SANGALA: I would like to say one more                   01:58:50   12        MS. SLEETER: And I think in my personal opinion

 01:56:10   13   thing.                                                            01:58:52   13   I would like to get more input on the stormwater

 01:56:10   14         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Please come to the podium.              01:58:58   14   aspects and problems that we might run into with this

 01:56:12   15         MR. SANGALA: Yeah. The gentleman that just                  01:59:02   15   before we would bless this also. Because I know they

 01:56:22   16   spoke before me, he was probably being a little                   01:59:06   16   wouldn't let us put any kind of parking whatsoever

 01:56:24   17   bit -- he didn't want to brag, but he's building a                01:59:08   17   at Curtiss and Main Street. They didn't even want

 01:56:28   18   very large house, a beautiful home, a log cabin                   01:59:12   18   us to put in a playground at Curtiss and Main Street.

 01:56:32   19   type that deserves to be in a wooded area and not                 01:59:16   19   So also before we would bless this I would like to

 01:56:34   20   next to a clanging horseshoe pit.                                 01:59:18   20   get some more --

 01:56:40   21               The other thing I wanted to say is I                  01:59:22   21        MR. SALAZAR: Curtiss and Main?

 01:56:42   22   certainly don't understand why the board needs to                 01:59:24   22        MS. SLEETER: Curtiss and Belmont. I am sorry.
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 01:59:26   1    The other thing is I would really like to see some               02:01:46   1    for instance, nonreferendum bonds or whether we

 01:59:28   2    more research on that before we would bless a master             02:01:52   2    have a consensus that we're only going to do this if

 01:59:32   3    plan on this too.                                                02:01:56   3    there is a formal referendum and we get approval of

 01:59:34   4         MR. CERMAK: You don't have to approve a master              02:02:00   4    the residents in advance. I think that would probably

 01:59:36   5    plan this evening. I believe the stormwater --                   02:02:02   5    be of great interest to most of the residents to know

 01:59:38   6    Doug or Todd, can you speak to that? I believe we                02:02:04   6    our feeling on that. I have already expressed mine.

 01:59:42   7    researched it and our cost estimates include any                 02:02:06   7    I don't know how the others feel.

 01:59:46   8    necessary stormwater work.                                       02:02:08   8         MR. SALAZAR: If I am understanding you

 01:59:50   9         MR. REESE: There's an assumption here that                  02:02:10   9    correctly whatever the final plan is it has to go

 01:59:50   10   everything we have done would comply with all                    02:02:12   10   to referendum?

 01:59:54   11   jurisdictions. Doug's firm, Christopher Burke, is                02:02:14   11        MR. JAROS: That's my view.

 01:59:58   12   well known for their stormwater management and                   02:02:14   12        MR. SALAZAR: Right. Okay, I will jump in.

 02:00:02   13   design. So I think everything that's been discussed              02:02:20   13   Those parking spaces, those parking spaces are

 02:00:04   14   and proposed acknowledges and recognizes the problems            02:02:24   14   going to cost about twenty-one, $22,000 per parking

 02:00:06   15   that are inherent to this site. We have taken great              02:02:30   15   space. That's without construction; that's just

 02:00:10   16   care, I think, to put the developed components in                02:02:32   16   the land to tear down the houses. If I was living

 02:00:16   17   areas that will have the least impact on the site                02:02:36   17   there I would not want this plan with a park on it.

 02:00:18   18   and left the west part as undeveloped as possible                02:02:40   18   If I was living there I wouldn't be objecting to

 02:00:22   19   yet provide some opportunities for trails and what               02:02:48   19   developing it, maybe putting some sort of play

 02:00:24   20   I would call pretty passive development that really              02:02:50   20   equipment, maybe a walking trail that wouldn't wash

 02:00:28   21   we're walking as lightly as we can on the site.                  02:02:54   21   away. I agree with everything sneaking around

 02:00:30   22   So with a master plan what you are doing is just                 02:03:00   22   there for six years. And there's no way I would

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 02:00:34   1    that, you are looking at a concept. It has to comply             02:03:02   1    go in that northwest section. That should be

 02:00:36   2    with all jurisdictional requirements. When you get               02:03:08   2    reserved for the kids and animals.

 02:00:40   3    to developing it you then go through a phase                     02:03:10   3              I have a question of how -- If I was a

 02:00:46   4    called design development. And these types of                    02:03:18   4    resident on the other side, the Bending Oaks side,

 02:00:48   5    issues are looked at closer and you design the                   02:03:18   5    I don't necessarily like the idea of having a

 02:00:50   6    improvements to make sure they comply with all the               02:03:20   6    parking lot leading to a trail to sneak into my

 02:00:54   7    jurisdictional requirements and codes. So the                    02:03:24   7    backyard or potentially into my house that is not

 02:00:56   8    concept, we're looking for master plan approval.                 02:03:28   8    going to be well lit at night. I kind of think

 02:01:00   9    It's always subject to change along the way.                     02:03:32   9    this is -- the parking lot is going to bring its

 02:01:04   10             And in terms of 11B versus 11A, we thought             02:03:38   10   own troubles at night.

 02:01:08   11   we would recommend 11B because it includes simply                02:03:40   11             The big question is we're talking 1.2,

 02:01:12   12   just a tennis court, I think, and one other structure.           02:03:44   12   $1.3 million plus $600,000 -- $610,000 for the two

 02:01:14   13   And when it comes down to the building or funding                02:03:48   13   houses that are going to be ripped down. I think

 02:01:18   14   you can fund a little or a lot. That's at this                   02:03:54   14   those houses should either by sold individually or

 02:01:20   15   board's or future board's discretion. So we're                   02:04:00   15   collectively, a house should be built there, and

 02:01:24   16   really looking for consensus and approval so that                02:04:04   16   the park board should go back to the drawing board

 02:01:26   17   we can explore all those other issues without                    02:04:06   17   and consider something on a much smaller scale than

 02:01:30   18   requesting any funding at this time.                             02:04:10   18   this. I wouldn't vote for anything close to this

 02:01:32   19        MR. JAROS: Before we get there I think it might             02:04:16   19   either as a board member or on a referendum. And

 02:01:34   20   be helpful for the community, especially the                     02:04:18   20   I would just like to offer my belief that there is

 02:01:38   21   residents, to gain a sense from us whether we would              02:04:24   21   no way we'd pass a referendum on this.

 02:01:42   22   entertain doing this on our own initiative using,                02:04:26   22             So my suggestion here is we go back to the
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 02:04:28   1    drawing board unless there are three people that say            02:06:54   1        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Well, where I stand right
 02:04:30   2    we're going to build this without a referendum.                 02:06:54   2    now is we have a capital planning process to go
 02:04:38   3        MR. JAROS: Well, there's the other ground of                02:07:00   3    through from a budgeting standpoint. And if this
 02:04:40   4    approving it in concept but agreeing not to do it               02:07:04   4    makes the top of the list then it's something that
 02:04:44   5    without referendum approval and let the people                  02:07:08   5    goes, that's active, and we're going to have to
 02:04:46   6    decide whether the cost of the lots and the cost                02:07:10   6    figure out all the questions that have been raised.
 02:04:50   7    of the improvements is worth it to the community                02:07:12   7    If it doesn't make the list I think we should just
 02:04:54   8    as a whole. And if it isn't, then we can sell the               02:07:16   8    table this and leave it on the list of potential
 02:04:58   9    lots and with the houses intact and recoup our                  02:07:18   9    projects. But I think we need to go through the
 02:05:02   10   money. That way the cost you think is excessive,                02:07:22   10   capital planning process and see whether this
 02:05:06   11   which people may or may not agree with, will be                 02:07:24   11   meets any requirements of the top of the list of
 02:05:08   12   put to a direct democratic vote.                                02:07:28   12   something we want to pursue or it's something just
 02:05:12   13       MR. SALAZAR: My belief, Art, is the only                    02:07:32   13   on the back burner. And so how we proceed on this
 02:05:14   14   referendum that this board might be able to pass --             02:07:38   14   is a question of whether it makes the priority list
 02:05:16   15   and that's a might -- would be for a pool. And so               02:07:42   15   for capital projects in the future.
 02:05:22   16   I don't think this thing has a prayer in a referendum.          02:07:44   16       MR. JAROS: Mr. President, I have a slightly
 02:05:24   17   So why bother?                                                  02:07:44   17   different view. I am not sure I am on the same
 02:05:26   18       MR. JAROS: Okay. Well, I don't share that view.             02:07:46   18   wavelength as you are. That list are things that
 02:05:28   19   So I would be happy to put this to a referendum and             02:07:50   19   we fund within our normal revenue stream. Every
 02:05:30   20   let the people decide. Because I think this is one              02:07:52   20   year we generate so much for capital projects. If
 02:05:34   21   of our major undeveloped parks that has a lot of                02:07:58   21   we as a board commit to the referendum process and
 02:05:36   22   acreage. It does have terrain which can be made                 02:08:00   22   let the people decide, they would not only be voting

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 02:05:40   1    attractive. I think parts of it are already quite               02:08:04   1    for the project, but they would be voting for a
 02:05:42   2    attractive. Other parts are not as the residents                02:08:06   2    tax to pay the bonds that would be issued specific
 02:05:44   3    pointed out. The western parts are overgrown and                02:08:08   3    for that project. So it wouldn't come out of our
 02:05:48   4    in need of some loving care. But being there during             02:08:10   4    capital budget; it would be a separate item that
 02:05:54   5    foliage season and looking from the top of Bending              02:08:14   5    the taxpayers --
 02:06:00   6    Oaks Park across the valley, across the stream                  02:08:16   6        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Certainly that would be
 02:06:02   7    into the meadow is a very pretty view from my --                02:08:16   7    an approach. Another approach would be to do things
 02:06:06   8    just my opinion having walked it.                               02:08:20   8    in phases and attack some of the pieces of this that
 02:06:10   9             And so as some of the residents here have              02:08:24   9    are less obtrusive and get a cost associated with
 02:06:12   10   indicated, they're in favor of doing some                       02:08:28   10   that as a part of an overall master plan. And
 02:06:14   11   improvements, and others are opposed. And so I am               02:08:30   11   potentially that could be done incrementally as a
 02:06:18   12   not in a position to gauge the sense of forty                   02:08:34   12   part of a capital plan. I think it becomes a part
 02:06:22   13   thousand plus residents some of whom would vote on              02:08:36   13   of the capital planning process. How you fund it
 02:06:26   14   a referendum. But I am happy to put it to the people            02:08:38   14   is a different issue than whether it's a capital
 02:06:30   15   because one of the things I pledged to do is to                 02:08:40   15   project type of project. Okay. You're correct from
 02:06:34   16   make possible putting some of our parks to better               02:08:44   16   a funding standpoint the way that we have used capital
 02:06:36   17   use. And right now I think there's virtually                    02:08:48   17   funding is different than this. But I see that as
 02:06:40   18   complete agreement that it's underutilized. It's                02:08:50   18   a funding issue, not an issue that needs to be
 02:06:42   19   hidden access, basically an extension of backyards,             02:08:54   19   wrestled with today.
 02:06:46   20   and not really serving the function of a public                 02:08:58   20       MS. SLEETER: I agree on the overall capital
 02:06:48   21   park for all the residents of the community. I                  02:09:00   21   project side of it because even if money is available,
 02:06:50   22   think that should be put to a vote of the people.               02:09:04   22   there's still only so many projects staff can handle
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 02:09:08   1    at one time. And if it's something that looks like,               02:11:38   1    going to put there. When and how are all those

 02:09:14   2    you know, there's other things that really need to                02:11:42   2    things that would be decided as time goes on.

 02:09:16   3    be done or are significantly higher priority in the               02:11:44   3          MR. JAROS: So if we were to bless 11B tonight

 02:09:20   4    next year or two, it makes a difference on how we                 02:11:46   4    that doesn't mean it can't be refined, the trail

 02:09:22   5    approach this. And if it were something that got to               02:11:50   5    structure, the wood chips couldn't be changed.

 02:09:26   6    that stage I definitely agree with the referendum                 02:11:54   6          PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Absolutely.

 02:09:30   7    process. So I agree with that concept. But I                      02:11:54   7          MR. JAROS: This would be the concept, the

 02:09:34   8    think it needs to be part of an overall scheme of                 02:11:56   8    components, the basic location.

 02:09:38   9    things to make it the most effective. And I like                  02:11:58   9          PRESIDENT GELWICKS: If we were to move forward.

 02:09:42   10   the phases idea too because there could be something              02:11:58   10         MR. SALAZAR: Well, not really. Once you bless

 02:09:46   11   with paths and cleaning up and getting rid of that                02:12:02   11   something as a master plan it moves forward. And the

 02:09:52   12   old broken piece of the bridge and some other things              02:12:06   12   time to come to some sort of agreement is before you

 02:09:54   13   that could be done relatively inexpensively to start              02:12:12   13   call it a master plan. After you call it a master

 02:10:00   14   if that's the way it's done and that would work no                02:12:14   14   plan, well, the master plan has been approved, so

 02:10:04   15   matter which way we went.                                         02:12:18   15   then you are just simply moving forward. If there

 02:10:06   16        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Right. And there are so                  02:12:20   16   are significant questions about this the correct

 02:10:08   17   many questions relative to some of the low area                   02:12:24   17   thing to do is not move forward.

 02:10:12   18   that I think before potentially an approach would                 02:12:26   18         MR. JAROS: Well, don't we have things in the

 02:10:16   19   be to develop some of that and see whether or not                 02:12:28   19   master plan that haven't moved forward at all?

 02:10:18   20   it flies and whether it's really useful before we                 02:12:30   20         MR. CERMAK: In the open space plan, you mean?

 02:10:22   21   proceed to spend 1.3 total on this. That's just a                 02:12:34   21         MR. JAROS: Yeah.

 02:10:28   22   thought tonight.                                                  02:12:34   22         MR. CERMAK: Sure.

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 02:10:30   1         MS. MAHONEY: I sort of agree. I don't think                  02:12:36   1          MR. JAROS: Is that what you are asking us to

 02:10:32   2    we can go anywhere unless we can agree on a master                02:12:38   2    do?

 02:10:36   3    plan. I think we have to agree on some kind of                    02:12:38   3          MS. SLEETER: That is before any of us were on

 02:10:40   4    plan before we either move it forward to the capital              02:12:40   4    the board, so I take no responsibility for that one.

 02:10:44   5    project discussion or move it to a referendum kind                02:12:42   5          MR. CERMAK: It's a wonderful master plan and

 02:10:50   6    of question. And I think if we all aren't in                      02:12:44   6    has got some good forethought in it. It was adopted

 02:10:54   7    agreement on this I think it's going to be another,               02:12:48   7    in 2000. This is simply a concept plan that we

 02:10:58   8    you know, I didn't vote for this so I am not                      02:12:52   8    have gone through eleven or twelve renditions on.

 02:11:02   9    supporting this kind of issue. And I think it's                   02:12:56   9    We think we have got to the point of a master

 02:11:06   10   important that with something especially like this                02:12:58   10   concept plan. It's apparent to me that the board

 02:11:10   11   that we can agree on a master plan, just even the                 02:13:00   11   does not want to move forward on this at this time.

 02:11:14   12   concept of having a master plan for a particular                  02:13:04   12   If this were to be adopted or approved as a master

 02:11:18   13   park.                                                             02:13:08   13   concept plan I will follow the president's lead and

 02:11:18   14        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: And the approach then is                 02:13:12   14   say perhaps this makes it to the capital planning

 02:11:20   15   if we were to move forward to develop it this is                  02:13:16   15   grid that we review every year with a number that

 02:11:24   16   the concept under which we would operate.                         02:13:18   16   would allow us to rank that project out and see where

 02:11:26   17        MS. MAHONEY: Right, we're all working under                  02:13:22   17   it falls in amongst the many other capital plans that

 02:11:28   18   the same umbrella.                                                02:13:26   18   we have that are on that grid that you receive every

 02:11:28   19        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: We don't have somebody                   02:13:28   19   year. You don't have to move forward on this until

 02:11:30   20   thinking it's a swimming pool and some a dog park.                02:13:32   20   you decide to move forward on this. It simply is --

 02:11:32   21        MS. MAHONEY: Right, or talk about something                  02:13:36   21   It takes its place alongside an office relocation

 02:11:34   22   else. We have specific criteria for what we're                    02:13:40   22   at the Lincoln Center that's been on the plan for
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 02:13:42   1    about five years.                                                02:15:54   1    of all the people. And so I cannot support the

 02:13:42   2         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Right.                                  02:15:56   2    motion. I also agree that staff should not be doing
 02:13:42   3         MR. CERMAK: Still a very important project.                 02:16:00   3    any more work on it at this point until the board
 02:13:46   4    We just have not funded that project yet.                        02:16:02   4    decides it's ready, in my judgment, to get ready for

 02:13:48   5         MR. JAROS: If we say we like 11B the best of                02:16:06   5    a referendum.
 02:13:52   6    what we have seen and that becomes our --                        02:16:06   6         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Any more discussion? Roll
 02:13:52   7         MS. MAHONEY: Our guidepost.                                 02:16:08   7    call, please?
 02:13:54   8         MR. JAROS: -- yeah, our guidepost, it doesn't               02:16:10   8         MS. BENDER: Mr. Salazar?
 02:13:56   9    commit us to doing anything in the future.                       02:16:12   9         MR. SALAZAR: Aye.
 02:14:00   10        MR. CERMAK: No, it doesn't.                                 02:16:12   10        MS. BENDER: Miss Sleeter?
 02:14:02   11        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: I would be cautious though              02:16:14   11        MS. SLEETER: Aye.
 02:14:02   12   because Commissioner Salazar, I think, is correct                02:16:14   12        MS. BENDER: Mr. Gelwicks?
 02:14:06   13   with regards to moving forward from a process                    02:16:16   13        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Nay.
 02:14:10   14   standpoint. I don't think I would want to see                    02:16:16   14        MS. BENDER: Mr. Jaros?
 02:14:12   15   staff putting any more energy into this particular               02:16:18   15        MR. JAROS: Nay.
 02:14:14   16   project until it got further along in the review                 02:16:18   16        MS. BENDER: Miss Mahoney?
 02:14:18   17   process from a capital planning standpoint. So,                  02:16:20   17        MS. MAHONEY: Nay.
 02:14:24   18   Director Reese, I think you made some comments with              02:16:22   18        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Motion is not approved.
 02:14:26   19   regards to moving forward with next steps. Well,                 02:16:24   19        MS. MAHONEY: I would like to see the master
 02:14:28   20   in my opinion we're not at the point of saying go                02:16:30   20   plan 11B adopted for future discussion purposes,
 02:14:32   21   forward with any next steps even if we were to approve           02:16:38   21   no action to be taken -- no further action to be
 02:14:36   22   a master plan tonight.                                           02:16:42   22   taken by staff so these concepts can be considered

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 02:14:38   1         MR. JAROS: Why don't we do that.                            02:16:48   1    in future capital discussions that any board has.
 02:14:40   2         MR. SALAZAR: Why don't we take no action on                 02:16:54   2    That would be my motion.
 02:14:42   3    this and leave it to staff as to whether they want               02:16:54   3         MR. JAROS: Second.
 02:14:44   4    to incorporate any of the comments and concerns and              02:16:56   4         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Any discussion? Roll
 02:14:46   5    come back to the board at a future date and leave                02:16:58   5    call, please?
 02:14:50   6    it to their discretion.                                          02:16:58   6         MS. BENDER: Okay. I am sorry. Miss Mahoney

 02:14:50   7         MR. JAROS: That requires them to do more work.              02:17:04   7    made a motion -- moved to see that the concept
 02:14:54   8         MR. SALAZAR: If they want to. The motion is                 02:17:12   8    reviewed tonight 11A and B --
 02:14:56   9    I move we take no action on this plan.                           02:17:14   9         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: 11B.
 02:15:10   10        MS. SLEETER: I don't agree with going ahead                 02:17:14   10        MS. BENDER: 11B.
 02:15:12   11   with this comprehensive plan, so I second it.                    02:17:20   11        MS. MAHONEY: To have no specific action taken
 02:15:20   12        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: We have a motion on the                 02:17:24   12   at this time by staff, further action, but for it
 02:15:20   13   table to not move forward at all, to take no action              02:17:32   13   to be part of future capital project considerations.
 02:15:24   14   at this time.                                                    02:17:42   14        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Commissioner Jaros
 02:15:26   15        MR. JAROS: Well, I have expressed my view that              02:17:44   15   seconded.
 02:15:28   16   I am in favor of proceeding with a referendum. And               02:17:44   16        MS. BENDER: Thank you.

 02:15:34   17   we have labored for years to get to this point, and              02:17:48   17        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Roll call.
 02:15:38   18   I am comfortable leaving this decision on whether                02:17:48   18        MS. BENDER: Miss Mahoney?
 02:15:42   19   this park should be developed at a certain cost to               02:17:50   19        MS. MAHONEY: Aye.

 02:15:46   20   the people of our village as a whole. It's their                 02:17:50   20        MS. BENDER: Mr. Jaros?
 02:15:48   21   property. And right now it's clearly underutilized.              02:17:52   21        MR. JAROS: Aye.
 02:15:50   22   Whether it's worth the cost should be the decision               02:17:52   22        MS. BENDER: Mr. Gelwicks?
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 02:17:54   1         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Aye.                                    02:28:24   1         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Yes.

 02:17:54   2         MS. BENDER: Mr. Salazar?                                    02:28:24   2         MR. JAROS: Deb, on Resolution #06-02 the

 02:17:56   3         MR. SALAZAR: Nay.                                           02:28:30   3    blank for the amount of taxes, am I correct that

 02:17:56   4         MS. BENDER: Miss Sleeter?                                   02:28:32   4    that does not include the debt service levy on the

 02:17:58   5         MS. SLEETER: I agree with having it be on a                 02:28:38   5    2004B alternate revenue bonds which have a mandatory

 02:18:04   6    capital projects list, but since I am not in favor               02:28:44   6    abatement attached to them?

 02:18:08   7    of this extensive a development of it. Nay.                      02:28:46   7         MS. UTECHT: That is correct.

 02:18:12   8         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Motion approved.                        02:28:46   8         MR. JAROS: So the number that we plug in here

 02:18:14   9              I suggest we take a recess of five minutes.            02:28:50   9    doesn't count that; it's basically our tax cap levy

 02:18:18   10                 (Following an interruption the                     02:28:54   10   plus our SEASPAR.

            11                 meeting was continued as                           02:28:56   11        MS. UTECHT: Correct.

 02:24:26   12                 follows:)                                          02:28:58   12        MR. JAROS: Okay.

 02:24:26   13        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: The November 2nd Downers                02:29:00   13        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Any other questions?

 02:26:12   14   Grove Park District Board meeting is called back to              02:29:02   14        MR. SALAZAR: Deb, you have taken us in your

 02:26:14   15   order. Mr. Cermak?                                               02:29:06   15   examples from 6.3 to 6.8, 6.5, 6.6 or 6.7 million,

 02:26:16   16        MR. CERMAK: Yes. The second item on the active              02:29:12   16   right?

 02:26:20   17   agenda this evening is the Resolution #06-02 which               02:29:12   17        MS. UTECHT: Yes.

 02:26:24   18   is a resolution to determine the funds estimated                 02:29:12   18        MR. SALAZAR: Okay. How come you are not taking

 02:26:28   19   to be raised by taxes for taxation year 2006. We                 02:29:18   19   that 6.3 million down by about half a million dollars

 02:26:32   20   have a brief review by Director Utecht.                          02:29:22   20   to account for the debt that we're no longer going

 02:26:36   21        MS. UTECHT: The tax levy for 2006 is based on               02:29:26   21   to have and then from that adding back inflation?

 02:26:40   22   a 3.4% Consumer Price Index increase, and one of the             02:29:32   22        MS. UTECHT: Well, as you know that tax levy

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 02:26:46   1    proposals is an estimated 2.5% increase for new                  02:29:34   1    is based on not the debt service portion of it. And

 02:26:52   2    construction. The levy options before the county                 02:29:40   2    the CPI plus new construction is what is available

 02:26:56   3    clerk's 1% addition factor, as I stated CPI plus                 02:29:46   3    to the board. And it is the board's decision what

 02:27:02   4    new construction, would be approximately 6.7 million,            02:29:50   4    they want to do with the debt service portion of

 02:27:06   5    CPI only 6.5 million. And as you know there was                  02:29:52   5    the levy as well as the entire levy. These are

 02:27:12   6    abatement, and there would be an abatement of the                02:29:56   6    just options available.

 02:27:14   7    2004B alternate revenue source bonds of $526,000                 02:29:58   7         MR. SALAZAR: I would like to see an option

 02:27:22   8    approximately. Last year the extended levy was                   02:30:00   8    posed for discussion that knocks off the bond money

 02:27:26   9    $6,364.015. And also as you know the board abated                02:30:06   9    for the golf course, that knocks off the money for

 02:27:34   10   approximately five hundred thousand of the 2004A                 02:30:10   10   Lyman Woods. I mean I was living here before Lyman

 02:27:38   11   debt service last year, and the final payment for                02:30:16   11   Woods. And the idea floated for Lyman Woods was

 02:27:42   12   the golf course debt of $103,000 was made in 2005                02:30:20   12   we were going to go out and borrow money and that

 02:27:46   13   and Lyman Woods $500,000 in 2006 or will be in                   02:30:22   13   money was to be paid off over time. Now, at no

 02:27:52   14   December of 2006.                                                02:30:26   14   point in time was this marketed as what we're going

 02:27:54   15             The district is required to approve a                  02:30:30   15   to do is vote a permanent tax increase. I think my

 02:27:58   16   resolution determining funds estimated to be raised              02:30:32   16   understanding of it and I think probably a lot of

 02:28:02   17   by taxation not less than twenty days prior to the               02:30:34   17   peoples' understanding is once those bonds are paid

 02:28:04   18   adoption of the levy. And if the increase is more                02:30:38   18   off the tax rate drops, those bonds go away. So

 02:28:10   19   than 5% then there are requirements regarding that               02:30:42   19   the way I am looking at it is the tax rate if we

 02:28:12   20   also. And the levy is tentatively scheduled to be                02:30:46   20   take off half a million dollars roughly from the

 02:28:16   21   approved at the December 7th meeting.                            02:30:50   21   6.4 that we did last year and then do a little

 02:28:20   22        MR. JAROS: And, Mr. President, may I inquire?               02:30:54   22   something for inflation and new construction if we
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 02:30:56   1    want to, that's going to result in a number that's             02:33:32   1    days prior to the adoption of its aggregate levy,
 02:31:00   2    going to be less than 6.3. I would like to see that            02:33:34   2    determine the amounts of money, exclusive of any
 02:31:04   3    as an option for discussion.                                   02:33:38   3    portion of that levy attributable to the cost of
 02:31:08   4        MR. JAROS: Mr. President, on that subject the              02:33:40   4    conducting an election required by the general
 02:31:10   5    fact is that the golf course bonds were paid off               02:33:42   5    election law estimated to be necessary to be raised
 02:31:16   6    last year, the Lyman Woods bonds are being paid                02:33:46   6    by taxation for that year upon the taxable property
 02:31:22   7    off in December, the tax levy for the Lyman Woods              02:33:48   7    in such taxing district; therefore, be it and it is
 02:31:24   8    bonds goes away. That means our taxes will be                  02:33:52   8    hereby resolved by the Board of Park Commissioners
 02:31:28   9    five hundred thousand or so less no matter what we             02:33:54   9    of the Downers Grove Park District, DuPage County,
 02:31:32   10   do than they otherwise would be. So that's a                   02:33:56   10   Illinois: Section 1, That this Park Board hereby
 02:31:36   11   nonissue. That tax goes away. If that tax hadn't --            02:34:00   11   determines the amounts of money, exclusive of any
 02:31:40   12   If it didn't go away, we still were paying the bonds,          02:34:02   12   election costs, estimated to be necessary to be
 02:31:44   13   then whatever we approve in terms of levy this year            02:34:06   13   raised by taxation for the year 2006 upon the taxable
 02:31:48   14   would be $500,000 more because of that debt service            02:34:10   14   property of the Park District be the sum of
 02:31:50   15   levy. So it's gone.                                            02:34:12   15   $6,672,764. Section 2, That since it appears that
 02:31:50   16            So the question is how much tax money do              02:34:18   16   the amounts of money estimate to be raised by
 02:31:54   17   we need to meet our objectives. And that's a                   02:34:20   17   taxation for the year 2006 are more than 105% of the
 02:31:58   18   different issue. That means looking at our cash                02:34:24   18   amount of taxes extended or estimated to be extended
 02:32:00   19   balances, looking at what kind of tax relief we have           02:34:26   19   upon the aggregate levy of this Park District for
 02:32:04   20   given in prior years that maybe no longer can be               02:34:30   20   the year 2005, the Secretary is hereby directed,
 02:32:08   21   afforded. And those are extensive issues which I               02:34:32   21   on behalf of this Park Board, to give public notice
 02:32:12   22   think given the relative lateness of the hour probably         02:34:36   22   of a public hearing of this Park Board's intent to

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 02:32:16   1    should be debated at a public hearing. And if we --            02:34:38   1    adopt an aggregate levy in an amount which is more
 02:32:20   2    If any of us -- If a majority of the board proposes            02:34:42   2    than 105% of the extensions exclusive of election
 02:32:24   3    greater than a 5% increase, then we will have a                02:34:46   3    costs for year two thousand and -- I believe that
 02:32:26   4    public hearing. And I do propose a CPI increase                02:34:56   4    should be 2006.
 02:32:32   5    of three point -- pardon me, of three point -- let             02:34:58   5        MS. SLEETER: Right.
 02:32:38   6    me get the right number -- 3.4% on our existing                02:34:58   6        MR. JAROS: There's a typo. So my motion
 02:32:42   7    property owners, and I do propose capturing the                02:35:00   7    will read 2006 all as required by law. And that
 02:32:46   8    new construction which you estimated at 2.5. So                02:35:06   8    is my motion for this evening.
 02:32:50   9    that's a combination that would mean I am proposing            02:35:10   9        MS. UTECHT: I think it's referring to 105%
 02:32:54   10   a 5.9% increase which would trigger a public hearing.          02:35:14   10   of the 2005 number.
 02:32:58   11   And it doesn't mean we would adopt it, but that                02:35:14   11       MR. JAROS: Oh, I am sorry, you're right. It
 02:33:00   12   would be my proposal and let's have an extensive               02:35:16   12   was published correctly. So let me restate the
 02:33:04   13   debate at the public hearing. People would have                02:35:20   13   last part. Which is more than 105% of the
 02:33:06   14   more time to study the material I released yesterday.          02:35:22   14   extensions exclusive of election costs for the
 02:33:10   15   And so that would be my suggestion. Instead of                 02:35:26   15   year 2005 all as required by law. You are correct.
 02:33:12   16   having two or three debates let's try and cut the              02:35:28   16   There was no typo because it's referring to the
 02:33:16   17   number of debates down.                                        02:35:32   17   prior year. My error. My apologies.
 02:33:16   18            I will move the adoption of Resolution                02:35:36   18       MS. MAHONEY: Art, could you say again the
 02:33:18   19   #06-02, a resolution determining funds estimated               02:35:40   19   number and what it refers to?
 02:33:22   20   to be raised by taxation for the year 2006 reading             02:35:42   20       MR. JAROS: Yes. The number that I have
 02:33:28   21   as follows: Whereas, Illinois law requires that                02:35:44   21   moved is $6,672.764 which you will see on the
 02:33:30   22   all taxing districts shall, not less than twenty               02:35:50   22   spreadsheet that's been distributed as column B
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 02:35:56   1    line 91.                                                         02:38:00   1         MS. MAHONEY: Where do we normally fall in
 02:36:00   2         MR. SALAZAR: Deb, could you clear something                 02:38:02   2    those -- I know that's hard to say, but, you
 02:36:02   3    up for me, please? This year to the best of your                 02:38:06   3    know, do we get close to that or do we not?
 02:36:04   4    knowledge we're taking in roughly $6.364 million,                02:38:08   4         MS. UTECHT: Well, it's been like --
 02:36:10   5    right?                                                           02:38:10   5         MS. MAHONEY: It depends on the year I am
 02:36:12   6         MS. UTECHT: Yes.                                            02:38:12   6    sure.
 02:36:12   7         MR. SALAZAR: Now, then we paid Lyman Woods                  02:38:12   7         MS. UTECHT: It's been like one and a half or
 02:36:14   8    principal and interest roughly a half million                    02:38:14   8    one or something. I think the point is that that
 02:36:16   9    dollars, right?                                                  02:38:16   9    is an estimate. If that is not -- If that property
 02:36:16   10        MS. UTECHT: Yes.                                            02:38:22   10   isn't annexed or new construction is not in the
 02:36:18   11        MR. SALAZAR: And next year we are not going                 02:38:24   11   park district, then we would not get the money.
 02:36:20   12   to have to have that.                                            02:38:26   12        MS. MAHONEY: And it's only after all the
 02:36:20   13        MS. UTECHT: Right.                                          02:38:32   13   paperwork is filed by any of those constructions
 02:36:22   14        MR. SALAZAR: Okay. So if we go from six                     02:38:36   14   that -- whenever that year is, that's when it
 02:36:24   15   million three -- $6,364,000 to $6,672,000 and change,            02:38:38   15   comes in. It may look done but it may not be. All
 02:36:34   16   that's almost a 5% increase and we still don't                   02:38:44   16   the finals may not have been completed.
 02:36:38   17   have to pay the half million dollars that we paid                02:38:44   17        MS. UTECHT: Well, the problem is that with
 02:36:40   18   on Lyman Woods, correct?                                         02:38:48   18   new construction you're never really sure when it
 02:36:42   19        MS. UTECHT: Right. We are losing about four                 02:38:50   19   actually goes on. Because unlike a house, if it's
 02:36:46   20   hundred thousand donations for Lyman Woods.                      02:38:52   20   a building or something it could depend on occupancy
 02:36:50   21        MR. SALAZAR: Okay.                                          02:38:56   21   so it could be delayed or there could be agreements
 02:36:50   22        MR. JAROS: I think it's more like four hundred              02:39:00   22   of abating property taxes as even incentives to

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 02:36:52   1    seventy-five thousand in total decrease of donations             02:39:06   1    come into a community or something like that.
 02:36:56   2    including Lyman Woods.                                           02:39:08   2         MR. CERMAK: It's important to know it's a
 02:36:58   3         MR. SALAZAR: So for the purposes of future                  02:39:10   3    not to exceed number.
 02:37:00   4    discussion I would still like to see the debt taken              02:39:12   4         MS. MAHONEY: It won't exceed 2.5.
 02:37:02   5    out for Lyman Woods.                                             02:39:14   5         MS. UTECHT: Right. If it exceeds 2.5 then
 02:37:06   6         MS. MAHONEY: I will second the motion and                   02:39:16   6    we don't get that money either.
 02:37:08   7    make some comments if I may.                                     02:39:18   7         MR. CERMAK: Do you recall what we estimated
 02:37:12   8         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Go ahead.                               02:39:20   8    last year and what we actually came in at?
 02:37:12   9         MS. MAHONEY: I believe there was almost $1                  02:39:22   9         MS. UTECHT: Well, we estimated 2 and I think
 02:37:18   10   million of refunds, abatements made for Lyman Woods,             02:39:26   10   it was like 1.4.
 02:37:24   11   and that was not voted on by any voters other than               02:39:28   11        MR. CERMAK: I know it was lower, right.
 02:37:28   12   the boards that made that decision. So those monies              02:39:30   12        MS. UTECHT: Yes.
 02:37:34   13   were returned through the taxes and there was no                 02:39:30   13        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Actually it's not even
 02:37:42   14   referendum or nothing that happened there.                       02:39:32   14   your estimate. You're being told what it is, what
 02:37:44   15              And I just would like to verify that of               02:39:34   15   to estimate.
 02:37:50   16   the new construction, the 2.4 --                                 02:39:36   16        MS. UTECHT: Yes, we get information from the
 02:37:54   17        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: 2.5.                                    02:39:38   17   township.
 02:37:56   18        MS. MAHONEY: 2.5?                                           02:39:40   18        MR. JAROS: Just as food for thought -- I know
 02:37:56   19        MR. JAROS: Estimated.                                       02:39:42   19   there's a motion pending. Just very briefly food
 02:37:56   20        MS. MAHONEY: That's an estimated number,                    02:39:46   20   for thought for our debate at the public hearing
 02:37:58   21   correct?                                                         02:39:48   21   if that's how we're going to proceed. Just to use
 02:37:58   22        MS. UTECHT: Right.                                          02:39:50   22   an extreme case to illustrate the point that I think
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 02:39:54   1    we should be thinking about, if this board had                 02:42:16   1    approved.
 02:39:56   2    inherited a stockpile of money from prior boards,              02:42:18   2        MR. CERMAK: Does this board wants to see
 02:40:00   3    which we had which is now substantially gone as we             02:42:22   3    models without debt?
 02:40:06   4    have talked about earlier tonight, but if this                 02:42:24   4        MR. SALAZAR: Yes.
 02:40:10   5    board in prior years including last year had set a             02:42:24   5        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: One person does.
 02:40:12   6    zero tax levy except for debt service on the bonds             02:42:26   6        MR. JAROS: Now, let's see. When you say
 02:40:20   7    intending to fund all operations drawing down the              02:42:28   7    without debt --
 02:40:26   8    balance of the accumulated cash, which is                      02:42:30   8        MS. SLEETER: Okay. For my spreadsheet as an
 02:40:30   9    theoretically possible, if we had such a big hoard             02:42:34   9    example just so we have got a base case, if
 02:40:32   10   starting last year that we decided to have a zero              02:42:36   10   everything else were being equal just seeing what
 02:40:36   11   tax levy except for the debt service and now this              02:42:42   11   you would have with the six million three sixty-four.
 02:40:40   12   coming year the debt service goes to zero because              02:42:46   12   And if you want to simplify it what I did is took
 02:40:44   13   the bonds are paid off, which is Commissioner                  02:42:48   13   the number minus all debt service and then if we
 02:40:50   14   Salazar's point and he's correct, the debt service             02:42:52   14   weren't adding in the new debt.
 02:40:52   15   on the bond goes away, it drops to zero, does that             02:42:54   15       MR. JAROS: Jan, the point is I have got the
 02:40:54   16   mean that our other taxes should in total -- that              02:42:56   16   chart you handed out right before the meeting. Point
 02:41:00   17   the total taxes should fall by that amount? And,               02:43:00   17   us to where you are looking at.
 02:41:04   18   of course, the answer is it can't because we have              02:43:00   18       MS. SLEETER: Okay. If you look at fiscal year
 02:41:08   19   to see whether the prior year amount was giving tax            02:43:02   19   '07 you have got -- the total tax revenues are
 02:41:14   20   relief based on using up a surplus. So that the                02:43:06   20   $6,364,000 which is one of the base cases Deb had
 02:41:18   21   new year's amount can't be based on relation to                02:43:10   21   with all the different line items down. If we took
 02:41:22   22   the prior year aggregate. It couldn't be.                      02:43:14   22   that number and either you can subtract the five

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 02:41:26   1    impossible.                                                    02:43:20   1    hundred thousand for Lyman Woods or what I did was
 02:41:28   2             So it's not so simple as to say well, this            02:43:22   2    say okay, subtract what principal and interest was
 02:41:32   3    coming year we should see a dollar-for-dollar                  02:43:26   3    there and come up with a net number and then add
 02:41:34   4    reduction in the total. No, we have to look at the             02:43:30   4    back the debt that we still have because there's
 02:41:38   5    big picture and see why the prior year level was               02:43:32   5    different amortizations and then see if everything
 02:41:42   6    at the prior year level and how that impacts what              02:43:38   6    else being equal coming up with the number. So if
 02:41:44   7    we need to do this year. In my judgment it's more              02:43:44   7    you take the six three sixty-four and subtract five
 02:41:48   8    complicated. And that's why I put together a massive           02:43:46   8    hundred thousand. That's fine. I did it in a
 02:41:50   9    spreadsheet for the board's careful consideration.             02:43:50   9    little more precise way to see if everything else
 02:41:54   10       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Any more discussion?                   02:43:52   10   were equal and you did reduce our base to calculate
 02:42:00   11   Roll call, please?                                             02:43:58   11   from to the six three sixty-four, reduce it by the
 02:42:00   12       MS. BENDER: Mr. Jaros?                                     02:44:02   12   difference in our debt payments which are all coming
 02:42:02   13       MR. JAROS: Aye.                                            02:44:04   13   out of the General Fund, what would the dollar
 02:42:02   14       MS. BENDER: Miss Mahoney?                                  02:44:08   14   difference be. Which that essentially gets you
 02:42:04   15       MS. MAHONEY: Aye.                                          02:44:12   15   the same place as saying six million three sixty-four
 02:42:04   16       MS. BENDER: Mr. Gelwicks?                                  02:44:18   16   included five hundred thousand for Lyman Woods that
 02:42:06   17       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Aye.                                   02:44:20   17   is not going to be there in fiscal '08. Therefore,
 02:42:06   18       MS. BENDER: Mr. Salazar?                                   02:44:22   18   we should have one case looking at how that number
 02:42:08   19       MR. SALAZAR: Nay.                                          02:44:26   19   compares to what the new levy would be. Because
 02:42:08   20       MS. BENDER: Miss Sleeter?                                  02:44:30   20   we should have one with -- You have got the case
 02:42:10   21       MS. SLEETER: Nay.                                          02:44:34   21   that says we can't hold everything else equal; we
 02:42:12   22       PRESIDENT GELWICKS: The Resolution #06-02 is               02:44:36   22   have to do something else. I think we ought to
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 02:44:40   1    have one case where if we held everything else             02:46:46   1    listed and looking at the comparisons and numbers
 02:44:42   2    equal as a base to calculate from and our debt             02:46:48   2    and changes.
 02:44:46   3    service is going down by a half a million dollars,         02:46:48   3        MR. JAROS: Yeah, run it through, see what it
 02:44:50   4    then we should have that available as part of the          02:46:52   4    does to our cash count. Fine. Sure. That'll be
 02:44:52   5    discussion.                                                02:46:54   5    part of the debate.
 02:44:52   6        MR. SALAZAR: Jan, can you walk us down from            02:46:56   6        MS. UTECHT: So you want to put the number in
 02:44:54   7    the fiscal year '07? I see. Okay. You have                 02:47:00   7    for cash flow? Is that what you want?
 02:45:00   8    $830,000 fiscal year '08 which drops to $350,000.          02:47:02   8        MR. JAROS: I think what Jan is saying is use --
 02:45:04   9    So that's $480,000 less in principal and it looks          02:47:06   9    You want to use both? I mean it's close enough,
 02:45:08   10   like about $18,000 less of interest.                       02:47:10   10   $6,047,000 or $6,181,000. Which one do you want
 02:45:10   11       MS. SLEETER: I am just taking those off.               02:47:14   11   to use? Do you want her to do both?
 02:45:14   12       MR. SALAZAR: Then so you take those off. And           02:47:20   12       MS. SLEETER: If we're going to have CPI plus
 02:45:16   13   then you get down to the middle of the page. Please        02:47:24   13   new construction -- CPI alone and CPI plus new
 02:45:20   14   explain to everybody what you are doing there.             02:47:28   14   construction on the other, it would probably make
 02:45:22   15       MS. SLEETER: Basically what I did was just             02:47:30   15   sense to do both.
 02:45:24   16   taking a look at if you have got your tax revenues         02:47:32   16       MR. JAROS: My proposal is CPI plus new
 02:45:28   17   less the principal and interest all of which was           02:47:34   17   construction based on last year's total tax burden.
 02:45:30   18   being paid out of the General Fund in '07, how much        02:47:36   18   And yours is based on the tax burden --
 02:45:36   19   was left for everything else.                              02:47:40   19       MS. SLEETER: So if we want to go with just
 02:45:38   20       MR. SALAZAR: Which is your five million three          02:47:42   20   number two it'll simplify it.
 02:45:38   21   four five number.                                          02:47:46   21       MR. JAROS: That's easy enough because the
 02:45:40   22       MS. SLEETER: Right. So I am saying if                  02:47:46   22   dollars aren't that different.
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 02:45:42   1    everything else were equal and you want to look at         02:47:48   1        MS. SLEETER: Deb, if you want further
 02:45:44   2    how the spending would go up, you want to have that        02:47:50   2    elaboration or clarity, you know my number.
 02:45:50   3    number plus CPI plus new construction and then add         02:47:54   3        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Mike, are you okay with
 02:45:54   4    in what we know we actually are going to have for          02:47:56   4    that?
 02:45:58   5    debt service. This was excluding your new debt. And        02:47:56   5        MR. SALAZAR: Yes. That's the way we should
 02:46:00   6    this is right off a schedule for --                        02:47:58   6    be doing it.
 02:46:02   7        MR. JAROS: Right, you're adding back in the            02:48:00   7        MS. MAHONEY: Could I ask a question? I hate
 02:46:04   8    Rec Center bonds --                                        02:48:02   8    to prolong this.
 02:46:06   9        MS. SLEETER: Right.                                    02:48:02   9        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Go ahead.
 02:46:06   10       MR. JAROS: -- that we have to pay for. You're          02:48:04   10       MS. MAHONEY: Under fiscal year '07 on Janis'
 02:46:08   11   adding that back. That's the $520,225. And in              02:48:06   11   sheet she has $6,364,000. That's what the 2005
 02:46:12   12   your alternate two you're adding CPI and new               02:48:12   12   actual number is.
 02:46:18   13   construction on to the $5,345,000.                         02:48:14   13       MR. JAROS: That's right.
 02:46:20   14       MS. SLEETER: Right.                                    02:48:16   14       MS. MAHONEY: I don't understand what --
 02:46:20   15       MR. JAROS: So are you asking staff to use              02:48:16   15       MS. SLEETER: That's the 2005 levy which is
 02:46:24   16   your suggested $6,181.266 and run that through the         02:48:18   16   collected in fiscal year -- in a different fiscal
 02:46:30   17   projections? Is that what you are asking, Jan?             02:48:22   17   year.
 02:46:34   18       MS. SLEETER: That would be one way to go.              02:48:22   18       MR. JAROS: I can explain that, Cathy.
 02:46:36   19       MR. JAROS: I just want to understand what you          02:48:26   19       MS. MAHONEY: Her sheet is different.
 02:46:38   20   are asking for. I mean you have got that calculation       02:48:28   20       MR. JAROS: Here's how it tracks. Do you have
 02:46:42   21   here. What do you want staff to do?                        02:48:30   21   my sheet handy? If you look at column L, lines 10,
 02:46:44   22       MS. SLEETER: Just have it when it's being              02:48:32   22   11 and 12, this explains where -- It's very
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 02:48:36   1    confusing. But that's why I put all three lines so              02:50:50   1           MS. SLEETER: No, because those have to be done
 02:48:42   2    that the confusion is minimized. So if you look                 02:50:52   2    under the General Fund.
 02:48:44   3    at column L, that's for property tax year calendar              02:50:54   3           MR. JAROS: No, no, that's the tax that he's
 02:48:50   4    '05. But those taxes get paid the next calendar                 02:50:56   4    talking about is going away.
 02:48:54   5    year which is line 11, the collection year, which               02:50:58   5           MR. SALAZAR: But the whole point still remains
 02:48:58   6    is calendar '06 but that's our fiscal year '07.                 02:51:00   6    is all we had last year -- this year is $6.4 million
 02:49:02   7    And that's why you see on line 24 the exact same                02:51:06   7    roughly and we paid half a million bucks that we
 02:49:06   8    number that Jan has for that fiscal year '07. So                02:51:08   8    don't have to pay next year roughly. That's the
 02:49:12   9    she's matching me to the dollar in terms of the                 02:51:10   9    $480,000 worth of difference.
 02:49:14   10   numbers we're seeing.                                           02:51:12   10          MR. JAROS: That's right. But again your
 02:49:16   11       MS. MAHONEY: Okay.                                          02:51:14   11   argument is that if we had chosen -- if we had enough
 02:49:16   12       MS. SLEETER: I just didn't put levy year and                02:51:18   12   cash on hand and had chosen to run the entire
 02:49:18   13   fiscal year separate.                                           02:51:22   13   district with a zero tax levy and only have the debt
 02:49:20   14       MR. JAROS: But it gets confusing because we                 02:51:26   14   service levy coming in and now that goes away, then
 02:49:22   15   talk about the tax year.                                        02:51:30   15   people should get -- should see a reduction for that
 02:49:22   16       MS. SLEETER: And I am trying to make sure you               02:51:34   16   tax levy, their taxes should go down and not up.
 02:49:24   17   can tie back to the annual financial statement which            02:51:36   17   We know that can't be. We know that using last
 02:49:28   18   has the fiscal year.                                            02:51:40   18   year's nondebt service levy is fallacious unless
 02:49:28   19       MR. JAROS: That's right.                                    02:51:46   19   you understand how that number was arrived at. And
 02:49:30   20       MR. SALAZAR: So the only material difference                02:51:48   20   that's what I am criticizing, Commissioner Salazar,
 02:49:32   21   then between these two numbers, $6,181,266 and the              02:51:52   21   your view on this. Because last year's levy was
 02:49:38   22   $6,672,764 is the $6,181,266 takes away the money               02:51:58   22   under what it takes to run the district because we

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 02:49:44   1    that we collected last year and don't need this                 02:52:02   1    were still living on past cash and still providing
 02:49:48   2    year because the debt is gone. That's that                      02:52:06   2    tax relief based on drawing on past cash. And my
 02:49:50   3    $491,000 difference. That's it.                                 02:52:12   3    spreadsheet demonstrates exactly how much that
 02:49:54   4        MR. JAROS: I would agree with the statement                 02:52:14   4    was.
 02:49:56   5    don't need it to pay bonds. But whether we need                 02:52:14   5           MR. SALAZAR: Yeah, but it's not that my
 02:50:00   6    it for other purposes is an entirely different                  02:52:18   6    argument is fallacious. What you are saying here
 02:50:04   7    question.                                                       02:52:22   7    and what the alternative is are we going to spend
 02:50:06   8        MR. SALAZAR: I don't have a problem with that.              02:52:26   8    the $480,000 or something else or are we not.
 02:50:08   9    The board probably -- And I am not sure about this,             02:52:30   9           MR. JAROS: Excuse me. The administrative
 02:50:10   10   but the board probably can say okay, well, we can               02:52:32   10   service director has already pointed out that we're
 02:50:14   11   legally charge -- continue to -- we can legally levy            02:52:34   11   suffering a $475,000 diminution in nontax revenues
 02:50:18   12   the six million six number so we choose to do so.               02:52:38   12   because grants despite our best efforts will not
 02:50:22   13   So we are making a decision as a board when people              02:52:42   13   be what they were in prior years. So we have a
 02:50:26   14   vote for the debt we're just going to use that                  02:52:44   14   shortfall to make up.
 02:50:30   15   money for stuff forever and there is no reduction               02:52:46   15          MR. SALAZAR: If we spend the same amount of
 02:50:32   16   to the debt. And that might be what this board                  02:52:48   16   money as last year that would be accurate.
 02:50:36   17   does.                                                           02:52:50   17          MS. SLEETER: That's why I said other things
 02:50:36   18       MR. JAROS: But that's not what the board would              02:52:52   18   being equal.
 02:50:38   19   be doing, Commissioner Salazar. Because if the                  02:52:52   19          MR. JAROS: So that's all what we need to
 02:50:40   20   bonds were still here then the tax amount that this             02:52:56   20   debate and discuss.
 02:50:44   21   board could do would be the $6,672,000 plus the debt            02:52:56   21          PRESIDENT GELWICKS: And we will do that at
 02:50:48   22   service levy.                                                   02:52:58   22   the --
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 02:52:58   1         MR. CERMAK: So it'll be the December 7th                    02:54:50   1    since 2004. And in 2005 we saved approximately

 02:53:02   2    meeting, and we will do a model based on number two.             02:54:54   2    $6700. And in 2006 CNE could not provide us any
 02:53:06   3         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Can I also ask if any                   02:55:00   3    savings, but we did stay with them in hopes that in
 02:53:08   4    board member has ideas or spreadsheets that we get               02:55:06   4    the future they would be able to. And it is

 02:53:12   5    them prior to the meeting so that we all have a                  02:55:08   5    working out that way.
 02:53:16   6    chance to evaluate it and understand it before we                02:55:08   6              We have our largest accounts with them
 02:53:20   7    go into that session?                                            02:55:10   7    which are the Recreation Center, Lincoln Center, the
 02:53:22   8         MR. SALAZAR: Well, that would be nice. But                  02:55:14   8    admin office, golf course clubhouse, museum and annex
 02:53:22   9    getting them the day before doesn't do us anything               02:55:18   9    buildings, Lyman Woods Interpretive Center and
 02:53:26   10   either. We need it maybe half a week earlier.                    02:55:20   10   Doerhoefer, Memorial, Hummer and Ebersold Parks.
 02:53:30   11        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: If I had got it last                    02:55:24   11   That's through this calendar year.
 02:53:32   12   night it would be fine.                                          02:55:28   12             However, it's no longer cost effective for
 02:53:32   13        MR. SALAZAR: With all due respect I work for                02:55:30   13   CNE to supply electricity for some of what they call
 02:53:36   14   a living.                                                        02:55:34   14   our smaller accounts now which are the museum and
 02:53:36   15        MS. SLEETER: I needed to double-check some                  02:55:38   15   annex, the Interpretive Center, Memorial, Hummer
 02:53:38   16   numbers with staff to make sure I had some things                02:55:40   16   and Ebersold Parks. However, it is still financially
 02:53:42   17   correct in the spreadsheet.                                      02:55:44   17   beneficial for the district to stay with CNE for the
 02:53:42   18        MR. JAROS: We're all volunteers. We do the                  02:55:48   18   Recreation Center, Lincoln Center, admin office,
 02:53:44   19   best we can to get it out. Yes, it's admirable.                  02:55:50   19   golf course clubhouse and Doerhoefer Park. It is
 02:53:46   20   If we can we will. I got mine out yesterday and                  02:55:54   20   also beneficial for us to sign up McCollum Park
 02:53:48   21   it was a huge undertaking for me, but we got it done.            02:55:58   21   ballfields with CNE.
 02:53:52   22   I didn't give you a lot of time to look at it.                   02:55:58   22             So as of today -- because they go by the

                                                                  146                                                                                 148
 02:53:54   1         MS. SLEETER: Because I ended up with it this                02:56:02   1    market rates -- CNE can provide to us during the
 02:53:56   2    afternoon because for some reason my computer didn't             02:56:06   2    period of January, 2007 through January, 2009 for
 02:54:00   3    like that format.                                                02:56:10   3    the Recreation Center, Lincoln Center, admin office,
 02:54:02   4         MR. SALAZAR: Yeah, I can't print this either,               02:56:12   4    golf course clubhouse, Doerhoefer and McCollum
 02:54:06   5    Art, this wallpaper.                                             02:56:16   5    Park approximately $34,000 in savings. Last week
 02:54:08   6         MR. JAROS: Yours wouldn't print out either?                 02:56:22   6    when my memo went out it was $25,000. Two days

 02:54:12   7         MR. SALAZAR: No. You have to do it on                       02:56:24   7    later it was $28,000. Today it's $34,000.
 02:54:14   8    smaller paper like Jan.                                          02:56:28   8              We have a day to sign the contract and lock
 02:54:16   9         MR. JAROS: I have too many numbers to fit on                02:56:30   9    that in. So I am requesting authorization to enter
 02:54:18   10   a small sheet.                                                   02:56:34   10   into a two-year contract with CNE to continue to
 02:54:18   11        MS. SLEETER: Just do multiple pages.                        02:56:38   11   provide electricity for the district's largest
 02:54:22   12        MR. CERMAK: We'll prepare that information                  02:56:40   12   accounts as I just mentioned including McCollum
 02:54:24   13   and include it in the packet for the December 7th                02:56:42   13   Park ballfields.
 02:54:26   14   meeting. Should I move on?                                       02:56:44   14             I would also like to request authorization
 02:54:30   15        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Yes, please.                            02:56:46   15   from the board to continue to enter into future
 02:54:30   16        MR. CERMAK: The next item I think will make                 02:56:50   16   contracts with CNE as long as it is financially

 02:54:32   17   you all happy, the Constellation New Energy contract.            02:56:54   17   beneficial for the district. It is very difficult
 02:54:36   18   We got some new good news today, and Karen will                  02:56:56   18   in the timing of board meetings and to get the
 02:54:40   19   review the energy alternatives with you.                         02:57:00   19   market rate that they hold for twenty-four hours,

 02:54:42   20        MS. SHANNON: Good evening. As you know the                  02:57:04   20   forty-eight hours and get a contract signed. We
 02:54:44   21   park district has been using Constellation New                   02:57:08   21   missed an opportunity back in October because they
 02:54:48   22   Energy as our alternative retail electric supplier               02:57:10   22   sent out a contract and we had two days and the
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 02:57:12   1    timing just didn't work. So I would like the                      02:59:10   1    within the two-year period we might want to amend

 02:57:16   2    authorization in the future as long as it is                      02:59:12   2    it or add other locations, or we're talking about

 02:57:18   3    financially beneficial for the district to go ahead               02:59:16   3    two years from now?

 02:57:22   4    and approve that number, and we'd bring that                      02:59:18   4            MS. SHANNON: We're talking two years from now.

 02:57:24   5    information back to the board. I should also note                 02:59:20   5    This would be good for two years. It's just the

 02:57:28   6    that that $34,000 is a two-year period. We have                   02:59:24   6    timing of it. And I can let you know when we get

 02:57:32   7    always been on one-year contracts with them. They                 02:59:26   7    closer to it that it will be coming up for your

 02:57:34   8    are now entering into a two-year contract.                        02:59:32   8    approval at that point in time if that works better

 02:57:36   9         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: What's the delta? What's                 02:59:34   9    for you. It's just that we had an opportunity

 02:57:38   10   the delta between a one-year and a two-year? What                 02:59:36   10   like I said in October to enter into the contract.

 02:57:40   11   would be the savings?                                             02:59:40   11   I am not sure if it was more advantageous or less

 02:57:42   12        MR. CERMAK: The difference?                                  02:59:44   12   advantageous. It's just that every time this comes

 02:57:44   13        MS. SHANNON: You know, I don't have that. I                  02:59:46   13   up the timing is very difficult since they only

 02:57:46   14   can check with them on that.                                      02:59:50   14   hold the market price for twenty-four to forty-eight

 02:57:46   15        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do we know what the                      02:59:52   15   hours. If it worked to our advantage or not --

 02:57:48   16   village has done?                                                 02:59:58   16           PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Well, there is nothing

 02:57:50   17        MS. SHANNON: No.                                             03:00:00   17   precluding you coming back in eighteen months and

 02:57:50   18        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Because I know the village               03:00:06   18   asking for authorization to be able to approve it,

 02:57:52   19   was under some negotiations with ComEd. You don't                 03:00:10   19   Karen.

 02:57:56   20   have any idea?                                                    03:00:10   20           MS. SHANNON: Right. We can do it that way

 02:57:56   21        MS. SHANNON: No, I don't. I can check that.                  03:00:10   21   also.

 02:57:58   22        MR. CERMAK: I don't think they're with                       03:00:12   22           MR. SALAZAR: Let me withdraw the part of my

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 02:58:00   1    Constellation New Energy.                                         03:00:14   1    recommendation or motion then to not allow any future

 02:58:04   2         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: They were negotiating                    03:00:18   2    negotiations without staff coming to us first.

 02:58:06   3    something with ComEd.                                             03:00:20   3    All we're approving then is this two-year stint.

 02:58:06   4         MR. CERMAK: They were negotiating with ComEd.                03:00:24   4            MS. SHANNON: That would be fine. And then I

 02:58:08   5    I think they negotiate not only -- They negotiated                03:00:24   5    would just make a note of it to come back several

 02:58:12   6    the franchise plus their rates.                                   03:00:28   6    months ahead of time and make sure it works to our

 02:58:14   7         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Right. Have we ever                      03:00:30   7    advantage.

 02:58:16   8    looked at being able to be included in that and                   03:00:30   8            PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Okay. Do I have a second?

 02:58:20   9    how does that compare to the savings? That's my                   03:00:32   9            MR. JAROS: Second.

 02:58:22   10   question.                                                         03:00:34   10           PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Any other discussion?

 02:58:24   11        MR. CERMAK: No, we haven't.                                  03:00:36   11   Roll call, please?

 02:58:32   12        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do we have a motion? You                 03:00:38   12           MS. BENDER: Mr. Salazar?

 02:58:34   13   need a motion, is that right?                                     03:00:38   13           MR. SALAZAR: Aye.

 02:58:34   14        MR. CERMAK: Yes.                                             03:00:38   14           MS. BENDER: Mr. Jaros?

 02:58:40   15        MR. SALAZAR: Move to approve the Constellation               03:00:40   15           MR. JAROS: Aye.

 02:58:42   16   New Energy proposal as proposed by staff. Further                 03:00:40   16           MS. BENDER: Mr. Gelwicks?

 02:58:46   17   move that staff is authorized to continue to enter                03:00:42   17           PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Aye.

 02:58:48   18   into future negotiations with CNE as long as it's                 03:00:44   18           MS. BENDER: Miss Mahoney?

 02:58:52   19   beneficial for the district to do so.                             03:00:44   19           MS. MAHONEY: Aye.

 02:58:58   20        MS. SLEETER: I have got a question on whether                03:00:46   20           MS. BENDER: Miss Sleeter?

 02:59:04   21   we should go ahead with future ones if this is a                  03:00:46   21           MS. SLEETER: Aye.

 02:59:06   22   two-year period. Are you implying that somewhere                  03:00:48   22           PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Motion approved.
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 03:00:50   1         MS. SHANNON: Thank you.                                     03:02:42   1         MR. SALAZAR: Aye.

 03:00:52   2         MR. CERMAK: Thanks, Karen. That concludes                   03:02:44   2         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: We are adjourned to

 03:00:52   3    your active agenda items for this evening.                       03:02:46   3    executive session.

 03:00:56   4         MR. JAROS: Under old business, Mr. President?                          4                   (Following proceedings held in

 03:00:58   5         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Go ahead.                                          5                   executive session, the

 03:01:00   6         MR. JAROS: I do have a handout that I suppose               03:18:00   6                   following proceedings were had:)

 03:01:02   7    I could have distributed earlier. This is a                      03:18:00   7         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: We're back in public

 03:01:04   8    revision to the handout I did at the first meeting               03:18:02   8    session.

 03:01:08   9    of October at Lincoln Center that reflects the                   03:18:02   9         MR. SALAZAR: Move to adjourn.

 03:01:12   10   staff's updated levy memo analysis and my own                    03:18:04   10        MR. JAROS: Second.

 03:01:16   11   comparative column. I have copies for staff also.                03:18:04   11        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: All those in favor?

 03:01:20   12   You can study this in conjunction with my larger                 03:18:06   12                  (A voice vote was taken.)

 03:01:24   13   spreadsheet. This just looks ahead to our upcoming               03:18:06   13        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: We are adjourned at 10:20.

 03:01:32   14   budget year for which we're now about to levy and                           14                  (Which were all the

 03:01:34   15   looks at the ending cash balances. So this basically                        15                  proceedings had at the meeting

 03:01:38   16   is the same spreadsheet that I handed out at that                           16                  of the above-entitled cause.)

 03:01:40   17   first meeting in October with the numbers slightly                          17
 03:01:44   18   changed.                                                                    18
 03:01:44   19        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Okay. Thank you. Any                               19
 03:01:50   20   other unfinished business? Any new business?                                20
 03:01:58   21        MS. SLEETER: I move to adjourn to executive                            21
 03:02:00   22   session under sections --                                                   22
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                                                                                             1    STATE OF ILLINOIS )
 03:02:02   1         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Before you do that we
                                                                                                               ) SS.
 03:02:04   2    have another visitors section.                                              2    COUNTY OF C O O K )
 03:02:06   3         MS. SLEETER: I am sorry.
                                                                                              3
 03:02:06   4         PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Do we have any visitors
                                                                                              4              I, MARLANE K. MARSHALL, C.S.R., a
 03:02:08   5    who would like to address the board at this time?                            5   Notary Public duly qualified and commissioned for
 03:02:12   6    You're on.                                                                   6   the State of Illinois, County of Cook, do hereby
                                                                                              7   certify that I reported in shorthand the proceedings
 03:02:12   7         MS. SLEETER: I apologize for anticipating.
                                                                                              8   had at the meeting of the above-entitled cause, and
 03:02:16   8    Adjourn to executive session under Sections
                                                                                              9   that the foregoing transcript is a true, correct,
 03:02:18   9    2(c)(1) and 2(c)(5) of the Open Meetings Act for                            10   and complete report of the entire proceedings so
 03:02:24   10   the discussion of personnel and land acquisition                            11   taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth.
                                                                                             12
 03:02:26   11   respectively.
                                                                                             13
 03:02:28   12        MR. JAROS: Second.

 03:02:30   13        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Roll call, please?                                 14                   MARLANE K. MARSHALL
                                                                                                                       Notary Public
 03:02:32   14        MS. BENDER: Miss Sleeter?
                                                                                             15                   CSR License #084-001134
 03:02:34   15        MS. SLEETER: Aye.

 03:02:34   16        MS. BENDER: Mr. Jaros?                                                 16
 03:02:38   17        MR. JAROS: Aye.
                                                                                             17   My commission expires:
 03:02:38   18        MS. BENDER: Mr. Gelwicks?                                                   February 23, 2008.
 03:02:40   19        PRESIDENT GELWICKS: Aye.                                               18
 03:02:40   20        MS. BENDER: Miss Mahoney?                                              19
                                                                                             20
 03:02:42   21        MS. MAHONEY: Aye.
                                                                                             21
 03:02:42   22        MS. BENDER: Mr. Salazar?                                               22
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                 #                $610,000 [2] - 78:13,                 2                          4              ability [2] - 51:7,       1
                                 108:12                                                                          51:12
                                  $6700 [1] - 147:2                                                               able [9] - 35:3, 68:13,
        #06-02 [4] - 121:17,      $830,000 [1] - 137:8         2 [4] - 1:6, 99:7,        4 [1] - 23:22           69:5, 76:19, 88:1,
       123:2, 126:19, 134:22                                  127:15, 132:9                                      109:14, 147:4, 150:8,
        #084-001134 [2] -
                                             '                 2(c)(1 [1] - 154:9                  5             151:18
       1:12, 156:15                                            2(c)(5 [1] - 154:9                                 above-entitled [2] -
                                                               2.4 [1] - 130:16                                  155:16, 156:8
                                  '05 [1] - 141:4                                        5% [3] - 122:19,
                 $                                             2.5 [5] - 126:8,
                                                                                        126:3, 129:16
                                                                                                                  aboveground [1] -
                                  '06 [1] - 141:6             130:17, 130:18,                                    75:2
                                  '07 [7] - 12:13,                                       5.9% [1] - 126:10
                                                              132:4, 132:5                                        Absolutely [1] -
        $10 [2] - 16:2, 16:5     135:19, 137:7,                                          545 [1] - 32:4
                                                               2.5% [1] - 122:1                                  115:6
        $103,000 [1] - 122:12    137:18, 140:10,               2.9 [4] - 7:19, 33:3,                              acceptable [1] -
        $11 [6] - 25:22, 26:3,   141:6, 141:8                 33:5, 33:11                          6             85:19
       27:3, 27:9, 30:17,         '08 [2] - 136:17,            20-foot [1] - 91:7                                 acceptance [1] -
       41:13                     137:8                         2000 [1] - 116:7          6.3 [3] - 123:15,       43:21
        $13 [1] - 16:6
                                                               2002 [1] - 27:20         123:19, 125:2             access [12] - 49:6,
        $14 [2] - 25:13, 25:20
                                             1                 2003 [1] - 27:2           6.4 [2] - 124:21,       49:8, 49:20, 50:11,
        $18,000 [1] - 137:10
                                                               2004 [1] - 147:1         143:6                    55:15, 55:16, 56:5,
        $2,900,000 [1] - 42:6
                                   1 [6] - 5:2, 5:16, 6:17,    2004A [1] - 122:10        6.5 [2] - 122:5,        56:10, 56:16, 60:19,
        $22,000 [1] - 107:14
                                 26:7, 127:10, 130:9           2004B [2] - 122:7,       123:15                   101:8, 110:19
        $25,000 [1] - 148:6
                                   1% [1] - 122:3             123:5                      6.6 [1] - 123:15         accommodated [1] -
        $28,000 [1] - 148:7
                                   1,400,000-a-year [1]        2005 [7] - 122:12,        6.7 [2] - 122:4,        67:9
        $3,000 [1] - 7:3
                                 - 27:6                       127:20, 128:10,           123:15                    accompanied [1] -
        $34,000 [3] - 148:5,                                  128:15, 140:11,
                                   1.2 [2] - 78:12,                                      6.8 [1] - 123:15        45:10
       148:7, 149:6
                                                              140:15, 147:1              60 [1] - 58:21           according [1] - 76:16
        $350,000 [1] - 137:8     108:11
                                                               2006 [12] - 1:6, 3:1,     6s [1] - 99:7            According [1] - 87:4
        $475,000 [1] - 144:11      1.3 [4] - 7:1, 7:9,
                                                              121:19, 121:21,                                     accordingly [1] -
        $480,000 [3] - 137:9,    108:12, 113:21
                                                              122:13, 122:14,                                    22:13
       143:9, 144:8                1.4 [1] - 132:10                                                7
                                                              126:20, 127:13,                                     account [3] - 22:13,
        $491,000 [1] - 142:3       10 [1] - 140:21
                                                              127:17, 128:4, 128:7,                              36:14, 123:20
        $5,000 [1] - 7:3           105% [4] - 127:17,
                                                              147:2                      7 [2] - 11:12, 11:14     accounting [1] - 7:5
        $5,345,000 [1] -         128:2, 128:9, 128:13
                                                               2007 [1] - 148:2          7:00 [1] - 1:7           accounts [3] - 147:6,
       138:13                      10:20 [1] - 155:13
                                                               2008 [1] - 156:17         7th [6] - 43:18,        147:14, 148:12
        $500,000 [4] - 22:7,       11 [2] - 140:22, 141:5
                                                               2009 [1] - 148:2         43:20, 44:18, 122:21,     accumulate [3] -
       22:8, 122:13, 125:14        11A [3] - 77:17,
                                                               23 [1] - 156:17          145:1, 146:13            22:8, 22:16, 23:3
        $520,225 [1] - 138:11    106:10, 120:8
                                                               24 [1] - 141:7                                     accumulated [3] -
        $526,000 [1] - 122:7       11B [12] - 53:6, 68:3,
                                 104:1, 104:11,
                                                               24th [1] - 45:16                    8             23:6, 23:11, 133:8
        $6,047,000 [1] -                                       25th [1] - 43:9                                    accumulating [1] -
       139:10                    106:10, 106:11,
                                 115:3, 117:5, 119:20,         27th [1] - 43:10                                  23:4
        $6,181,000 [1] -                                                                 8 [1] - 25:15
                                 120:9, 120:10                 2nd [4] - 3:1, 72:15,                              accurate [1] - 144:16
       139:10                                                                            801 [1] - 1:10
                                   12 [1] - 140:22            81:20, 121:13                                       acknowledges [1] -
        $6,181,266 [2] -                                                                 820 [1] - 99:17
                                   12% [1] - 27:19                                                               105:14
       141:21, 141:22                                                                    829 [1] - 4:14
        $6,181.266 [1] -           15 [1] - 91:7                        3                8th [1] - 45:16
                                                                                                                  acquisition [1] -
                                   15th [2] - 46:2, 46:6                                                         154:10
       138:16                                                                                                     acreage [1] - 109:22
        $6,364,000 [3] -           16th [2] - 43:19,           3 [9] - 14:12, 14:14,               9
                                 44:17                                                                            acres [1] - 70:22
       129:15, 135:20,                                        14:22, 15:19, 16:4,
                                   18th [1] - 32:8                                                                act [1] - 99:7
       140:11                                                 16:17, 25:9, 26:17,
                                   1919 [1] - 69:8                                       91 [1] - 129:1           Act [1] - 154:9
        $6,364.015 [1] -                                      37:10
                                   1921 [1] - 94:22                                                               action [8] - 30:2,
       122:9                                                   3.1 [2] - 40:10, 40:12
        $6,672,000 [2] -           1923 [4] - 45:2,            3.4% [2] - 121:22,                 A              118:2, 118:9, 118:13,
                                 45:17, 45:22, 68:5                                                              119:21, 120:11,
       129:15, 142:21                                         126:6
                                                                                                                 120:12
        $6,672,764 [2] -           1925 [4] - 45:2,            30 [1] - 58:21            abated [1] - 122:9
                                 45:18, 45:22, 68:5                                                               active [7] - 43:12,
       127:15, 141:22                                          30-day [3] - 8:16,        abatement [3] -         44:19, 44:22, 46:4,
        $6,672.764 [1] -           1927 [1] - 77:5            9:1, 43:9                 122:6, 123:6             111:5, 121:16, 153:3
       128:21                      1930 [1] - 80:10            31 [1] - 12:13            abatements [1] -         activities [5] - 48:14,
        $6.364 [1] - 129:4         1945 [1] - 96:8                                      130:10                   65:7, 65:21, 66:5,
        $600,000 [2] - 36:9,       1947 [1] - 72:10                                      abating [1] - 131:22    82:17
       108:12                      1997 [1] - 75:1                                       abilities [1] - 66:16    activity [5] - 51:8,

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         60:19, 66:21, 84:4,       68:3, 126:11, 128:1       76:4                      22:4, 24:1, 24:15,         71:3, 71:9, 72:11,         2
         95:7                       Adopt [1] - 104:1         allows [3] - 20:19,      36:11, 141:17              72:17, 72:20, 72:21,
          actual [2] - 60:4,        adopted [4] - 80:1,      41:12, 86:17               answer [4] - 26:5,        72:22, 73:5, 73:15,
         140:12                    116:6, 116:12, 119:20      almost [4] - 16:18,      64:16, 68:10, 133:18       74:2, 74:8, 75:1, 75:7,
          ad [2] - 8:20, 8:22       adoption [3] -           62:12, 129:16, 130:9       anticipates [1] -         75:11, 75:12, 76:15,
          add [18] - 6:18, 19:9,   122:18, 126:18, 127:1      alone [2] - 74:19,       12:19                      76:16, 78:3, 81:1,
         20:19, 21:2, 21:5,         advance [1] - 107:4      139:13                     anticipating [1] -        81:19, 82:6, 83:16,
         21:6, 21:8, 27:10,         advantage [4] - 65:1,     alongside [1] -          154:7                      84:4, 84:7, 84:14,
         28:2, 28:13, 29:9,        67:5, 151:15, 152:7       116:21                     Anyway [1] - 77:6         86:7, 87:12, 91:15,
         31:5, 37:4, 52:5,          advantageous [2] -        ALSO [1] - 2:20           apologies [1] -           92:6, 92:9, 93:2, 93:8,
         60:12, 136:3, 138:3,      151:11, 151:12             alternate [25] - 4:8,    128:17                     94:5, 95:6, 95:17,
         151:2                      advisor [2] - 44:2,      7:20, 8:18, 10:5,          apologize [4] - 8:10,     96:15, 97:3, 97:10,
          Add [1] - 34:19          44:7                      10:16, 17:10, 18:15,      32:10, 154:7               97:18, 98:9, 98:11,
          added [1] - 54:13         affect [1] - 95:8        21:1, 21:16, 25:4,         apparent [1] - 116:10     98:15, 101:1, 101:14,
          adding [6] - 6:14,        afforded [1] - 125:21    25:8, 26:1, 28:17,         applaud [1] - 84:9        101:15, 101:22,
         123:21, 135:14,            afield [1] - 58:21       29:5, 29:16, 30:3,         appreciate [2] - 32:7,    102:6, 102:19, 103:1,
         138:7, 138:11, 138:12      afraid [1] - 93:15       33:10, 35:3, 35:19,       99:20                      103:4, 103:13, 113:17
          addition [1] - 122:3      afternoon [1] - 146:2    42:7, 43:15, 44:12,        approach [7] - 25:5,       areas [4] - 76:21,
          additional [11] -         age [1] - 66:16          122:7, 123:5, 138:12      30:4, 112:7, 113:5,        89:3, 101:9, 105:17
         17:6, 18:9, 20:15,         agencies [1] - 47:21      Alternate [1] - 35:13    113:18, 114:14              argue [1] - 7:7
         40:6, 46:2, 46:8,          agenda [11] - 7:17,       alternative [9] -         appropriate [6] -          argument [4] -
         46:10, 68:10, 87:17,      27:18, 43:12, 44:3,       10:16, 15:15, 16:4,       11:18, 12:1, 40:17,        26:22, 28:2, 143:11,
         102:2, 102:7              44:19, 44:20, 44:22,      16:8, 16:21, 16:22,       66:21, 94:17, 104:9        144:6
          additionally [1] -       68:13, 121:17, 153:3      17:5, 144:7, 146:22        approval [13] - 5:13,      arises [1] - 35:17
         68:5                       aggregate [8] -           alternatives [1] -       45:3, 45:5, 67:16,          arrange [1] - 43:19
          address [9] - 4:3,       14:13, 15:11, 33:10,      146:19                    68:6, 75:3, 103:16,         arrived [1] - 143:19
         4:4, 4:10, 7:16, 32:2,    39:6, 127:1, 127:19,       always [8] - 12:15,      104:2, 106:8, 106:16,       Art [3] - 109:13,
         35:12, 47:5, 48:20,       128:1, 133:22             49:5, 78:4, 78:6, 90:8,   107:3, 109:5, 151:8        128:18, 146:5
         154:5                      ago [4] - 27:20,         91:12, 106:9, 149:7        approve [11] - 10:15,      artful [1] - 36:21
          addressed [1] - 4:11     28:15, 80:16, 81:4         amazed [1] - 100:8       67:18, 68:3, 104:1,         ARTHUR [1] - 2:4
          addresses [1] -           agree [22] - 8:17,        amend [1] - 151:1        105:4, 117:21,              artificial [2] - 100:6,
         66:22                     14:4, 17:3, 18:19,         amenities [1] - 66:15    122:15, 125:13,            100:10
          addressing [1] -         21:22, 36:16, 36:17,       amortizations [1] -      149:4, 150:15, 151:18       aside [1] - 83:6
         50:17                     52:6, 63:21, 107:21,      136:5                      approved [10] -            aspects [2] - 58:11,
          adds [1] - 65:3          109:11, 112:20,            amount [14] - 19:5,      11:22, 23:16, 69:4,        104:14
          adequate [1] - 85:2      113:6, 113:7, 114:1,      19:10, 20:16, 26:11,      115:14, 116:12,             asphalt [2] - 60:17,
          adjacent [1] - 83:1      114:2, 114:3, 114:11,     33:11, 82:10, 123:3,      119:18, 121:8,             86:7
          adjourn [2] - 153:21,    118:10, 119:2, 121:5,     127:18, 128:1,            122:21, 135:1, 152:22       assets [1] - 37:15
         155:9                     142:4                     133:17, 133:19,            approves [1] - 10:11       associated [1] -
          Adjourn [1] - 154:8       agreed [1] - 14:3        133:21, 142:20,            approving [2] -           112:9
          adjourned [5] - 42:3,     agreeing [1] - 109:4     144:15                    109:4, 152:3                assume [2] - 16:1,
         42:7, 42:21, 155:2,        agreement [3] -           amounts [5] - 11:22,      approximately [7] -       86:2
         155:13                    110:18, 114:7, 115:12     79:16, 127:2, 127:11,     75:10, 80:17, 122:4,        assumption [1] -
          adjust [3] - 19:20,       agreements [1] -         127:16                    122:8, 122:10, 147:1,      105:9
         30:13, 68:13              131:21                     ample [1] - 36:10        148:5                       astounded [1] - 4:15
          adjustment [3] -          ahead [8] - 118:10,       analogy [1] - 36:7        arbor [2] - 52:19,         Astroturf [4] - 5:3,
         20:2, 20:3, 20:8          130:8, 140:9, 149:3,       analysis [3] - 21:21,    54:8                       5:4, 5:16, 7:8
          adjustments [1] -        150:21, 152:6, 153:5,     47:4, 153:10               Arboretum [1] -            Astroturfing [5] -
         19:22                     153:13                     angle [1] - 72:14        52:10                      5:18, 6:6, 6:10, 6:17,
          admin [3] - 147:8,        aid [1] - 72:19           animal [2] - 96:13,       Architect [1] - 45:11     12:6
         147:18, 148:3              air [1] - 85:15          96:15                      area [83] - 49:3, 50:7,    at-ground [1] - 86:15
          administrative [1] -      Allegiance [2] - 3:15,    animals [1] - 108:2      50:8, 50:15, 51:1,          athlete [1] - 4:22
         144:9                     3:17                       annex [2] - 147:8,       51:2, 51:6, 52:14,          athletic [3] - 5:1,
          Administrative [1] -      allergic [1] - 97:14     147:15                    52:17, 52:22, 53:2,        51:8, 89:6
         2:14                       allocated [1] - 39:18     annexation [1] -         53:20, 54:21, 55:12,        athletics [1] - 55:2
          Administrator [1] -       allow [3] - 63:22,       20:12                     56:16, 59:4, 59:17,         attached [2] - 46:9,
         2:9                       116:16, 152:1              annexed [1] - 131:10     59:18, 61:2, 61:14,        123:6
          admirable [1] -           allowed [8] - 10:21,      announce [1] - 41:21     62:17, 63:6, 63:14,         attack [1] - 112:8
         145:19                    10:22, 20:11, 21:13,       announced [1] - 7:13     64:5, 64:8, 65:6,           attempt [1] - 81:7
          adopt [4] - 67:17,       27:10, 52:17, 76:3,        annual [6] - 17:15,      65:10, 67:6, 70:19,         attended [1] - 69:16

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        attention [1] - 33:6     93:13, 94:5, 94:12,       66:17, 66:19, 71:1,        benefits [2] - 58:1,      15:21, 16:2, 17:20,       3
        attract [1] - 58:11      95:15, 96:10, 97:11,      95:16                     102:7                      21:6, 22:1, 22:22,
        attractive [3] - 59:5,   97:21, 98:1, 98:4,         baskets [1] - 95:17       benefitting [1] -         23:16, 27:2, 27:12,
       110:1, 110:2              98:13, 99:12, 101:7,       batch [1] - 24:3         102:3                      27:13, 27:15, 27:18,
        attributable [1] -       101:9, 108:16,             bearing [1] - 46:21       Berg [2] - 45:11,         27:22, 28:4, 28:8,
       127:3                     108:22, 111:13,            beautiful [8] - 70:3,    46:15                      28:10, 29:10, 29:22,
        audience [5] - 29:14,    118:5, 121:14,            70:9, 70:11, 74:15,        BERG [4] - 2:16,          30:1, 30:7, 31:7,
       31:7, 31:9, 32:1,         123:21, 136:4, 138:7,     84:19, 84:22, 102:18,     86:7, 86:15, 86:21         31:14, 32:2, 40:7,
       41:20                     138:11, 141:17,           103:1                      berm [1] - 97:5           41:8, 43:11, 43:20,
        August [1] - 81:12       148:21, 149:5,             became [2] - 100:14,      BERNIE [1] - 80:9         44:9, 45:14, 45:20,
        authorities [1] -        151:17, 152:5, 155:7      101:16                     Bernie [1] - 80:10        46:3, 46:7, 46:13,
       94:17                      Back [1] - 54:11          become [1] - 35:16        best [7] - 45:6,          68:2, 68:18, 69:3,
        authorization [4] -       background [2] -          becomes [5] - 33:2,      57:12, 77:10, 117:5,       74:8, 74:9, 80:1,
       148:9, 148:14, 149:2,     45:18, 99:14              57:22, 62:12, 112:12,     129:3, 144:12, 145:19      84:12, 99:17, 102:22,
       151:18                     backstop [4] - 35:14,    117:6                      better [12] - 37:18,      108:16, 108:19,
        authorize [1] - 43:18    53:10, 54:14, 94:6         beer [1] - 101:7         61:1, 61:17, 63:1,         109:1, 109:14,
        authorized [1] -          backstops [1] - 48:7      BEFORE [1] - 1:1         63:9, 64:19, 74:18,        111:21, 116:4,
       150:17                     backyard [9] - 72:17,     begin [2] - 5:12, 45:9   74:19, 85:16, 101:8,       116:10, 118:5, 119:3,
        automatically [2] -      73:3, 73:8, 73:11,         beginning [1] - 69:19    110:16, 151:8              120:1, 122:9, 124:3,
       21:5, 27:11               75:11, 75:16, 79:4,        behalf [1] - 127:21       between [10] - 7:5,       126:2, 133:1, 133:5,
        avail [1] - 74:10        108:7                      behind [9] - 19:22,      15:12, 19:3, 25:1,         135:2, 142:9, 142:10,
        available [11] - 14:2,    backyards [2] -          52:13, 52:15, 57:7,       28:16, 51:4, 75:8,         142:13, 142:16,
       15:20, 17:12, 17:13,      73:12, 110:19             72:14, 75:21, 80:14,      76:1, 141:21, 149:10       142:18, 142:21,
       25:22, 30:16, 40:19,       bad [1] - 93:19          92:12                      bid [1] - 43:20           145:4, 148:15,
       112:21, 124:2, 124:6,      BAK [5] - 80:9, 85:6,                               big [14] - 59:19, 61:4,   148:18, 149:5, 154:5
                                                            belief [2] - 108:20,
       137:4                     85:21, 86:2, 86:10                                  87:2, 91:2, 91:11,          board's [7] - 30:18,
                                                           109:13
        Avenue [2] - 1:11,        Bak [1] - 80:10                                    91:17, 96:3, 96:21,        40:17, 106:15, 124:3,
                                                            believes [1] - 67:19
                                  balance [1] - 133:8                                98:18, 101:13, 102:6,      134:9
       32:4                                                 Belmont [4] - 72:15,
        average [5] - 15:4,       balanced [1] - 100:1                               108:11, 133:9, 134:5        Board's [1] - 127:22
                                                           87:19, 87:22, 104:22
       19:11, 19:13, 19:15,       balances [2] -                                      Big [2] - 5:3, 96:1        boards [6] - 16:2,
                                                            belong [1] - 30:8
       20:10                     125:19, 153:15                                       bigger [1] - 96:15        29:15, 30:2, 30:16,
                                                            belongs [1] - 79:18
        aware [7] - 11:10,        ball [2] - 8:22, 58:19                              biggest [1] - 64:21       130:12, 133:2
                                                            Bender [1] - 43:4
       72:16, 83:14, 89:2,        ballfields [2] -                                    bill [1] - 16:10           bodies [1] - 9:21
                                                            BENDER [40] - 2:18,
       94:16, 100:14, 101:16     147:21, 148:13                                       bio [2] - 67:11, 67:13     body [1] - 49:1
                                                           3:4, 3:6, 3:8, 3:10,
        awfully [1] - 22:7        balls [2] - 93:7, 93:8                              bio-swale [1] - 67:13      boilerplate [1] - 37:6
                                                           3:12, 42:10, 42:12,
        Aye [23] - 42:11,         bank [2] - 23:22,        42:14, 42:16, 42:18,       birthday [1] - 93:3        bond [15] - 10:9,
       42:13, 42:15, 42:17,      36:9                      43:6, 119:8, 119:10,       bit [13] - 24:17,         10:10, 11:5, 25:4,
       42:19, 119:9, 119:11,      bankrupting [1] -        119:12, 119:14,           36:16, 57:14, 63:12,       31:2, 33:14, 34:8,
       120:19, 120:21,           35:21                     119:16, 120:6,            69:14, 70:8, 91:6,         37:5, 37:12, 38:8,
       121:1, 134:13,             bark [3] - 85:12, 86:4   120:10, 120:16,           91:8, 93:10, 98:11,        39:3, 43:17, 44:8,
       134:15, 134:17,            barrier [1] - 50:4       120:18, 120:20,           98:21, 100:2, 102:17       124:8, 133:15
       152:13, 152:15,            bars [2] - 72:22, 79:3   120:22, 121:2, 121:4,      blank [1] - 123:3          bonded [1] - 12:17
       152:17, 152:19,            base [4] - 135:9,        134:12, 134:14,            bless [6] - 104:11,        bonding [5] - 4:8,
       152:21, 154:15,           135:20, 136:10, 137:2     134:16, 134:18,           104:15, 104:19,            27:10, 28:9, 28:11,
       154:17, 154:19,            baseball [2] - 54:16,    134:20, 152:12,           105:2, 115:3, 115:10       30:22
       154:21, 155:1             94:7                      152:14, 152:16,            block [2] - 10:20,         bonds [96] - 7:20,
                                  based [11] - 19:7,       152:18, 152:20,           73:7                       10:6, 10:13, 10:17,
                                                                                                                10:19, 10:21, 11:2,
                 B               43:1, 77:20, 121:21,      154:14, 154:16,            blocks [1] - 103:2
                                 124:1, 133:20,            154:18, 154:20,                                      11:7, 11:18, 13:7,
                                                                                      bluegrass [1] - 59:14
                                 133:21, 139:17,           154:22                                               13:11, 13:15, 13:17,
                                                                                      BOARD [4] - 1:2, 1:6,
        back [58] - 40:9,                                                                                       14:7, 14:8, 15:8,
                                 139:18, 144:2, 145:2       Bending [13] - 45:1,     1:9, 2:1
       46:19, 49:17, 49:22,                                                                                     15:11, 15:12, 15:16,
                                  Based [2] - 8:14,        45:17, 45:21, 45:22,       Board [5] - 3:2,
       51:18, 52:3, 52:17,                                                                                      15:18, 16:4, 16:5,
                                 46:6                      48:22, 49:7, 53:3,        121:14, 127:8,
       53:3, 54:9, 54:15,                                                                                       16:8, 16:9, 17:5, 17:7,
                                  basic [1] - 115:8        68:4, 77:5, 80:10,        127:10, 127:21
       56:3, 61:5, 62:11,                                                                                       17:10, 18:15, 18:20,
                                  basis [7] - 6:14,        80:13, 108:4, 110:5        board [90] - 3:21,
       69:14, 70:13, 71:21,                                                                                     19:3, 21:1, 21:3, 21:4,
                                 11:13, 12:17, 13:8,        beneficial [5] -         4:3, 4:5, 4:16, 5:10,
       72:20, 73:5, 74:1,                                                                                       21:8, 21:11, 21:17,
                                 22:4, 36:10, 46:11        147:17, 147:20,           6:16, 7:16, 7:17, 8:11,
       74:13, 75:1, 75:18,                                                                                      21:18, 23:7, 24:5,
                                  basketball [10] -        148:17, 149:3, 150:19     10:6, 10:11, 11:21,
       78:3, 82:10, 85:13,                                                                                      24:6, 24:7, 24:8,
                                 48:9, 50:17, 53:11,        benefit [3] - 55:14,     12:8, 12:15, 13:21,
       90:6, 90:9, 93:6, 93:9,                                                                                  24:10, 24:15, 25:9,
                                 53:21, 61:21, 62:6,       64:13, 101:21             14:3, 15:16, 15:19,

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         26:6, 26:12, 26:17,      bright [1] - 83:8          calculate [2] -          16:17, 22:8, 22:17,       101:1                     4
         27:4, 27:7, 28:3,        bring [8] - 28:5,         136:10, 137:2             22:19, 23:3, 23:4,         charge [1] - 142:11
         28:17, 29:6, 29:11,     41:15, 66:20, 76:13,        calculation [1] -        23:6, 23:11, 23:12,        charges [2] - 22:21,
         29:16, 30:4, 33:10,     76:15, 92:5, 108:9,        138:20                    23:19, 23:20, 24:4,       23:7
         35:3, 35:8, 35:13,      149:4                       calendar [4] - 141:3,    36:8, 37:18, 38:2,         chart [1] - 135:16
         35:17, 35:19, 36:4,      bringing [1] - 45:4       141:4, 141:6, 147:11      38:18, 125:18, 133:8,      cheaper [2] - 14:12,
         36:13, 36:14, 38:8,      broken [1] - 113:12        call [20] - 3:3, 9:15,   139:4, 139:7, 143:12,     15:10
         40:12, 40:22, 41:1,      brought [3] - 76:14,      33:6, 42:9, 44:7,         144:1, 144:2, 153:15       cheapest [4] - 16:11,
         41:13, 42:2, 42:7,      87:7, 90:14                56:12, 73:17, 75:8,        CATHERINE [1] - 2:5      16:12, 16:13, 16:14
         43:14, 43:15, 44:12,     Brought [1] - 32:7        79:7, 80:6, 105:20,        Cathy [1] - 140:18        check [3] - 145:15,
         107:1, 112:2, 122:7,     bucks [2] - 36:8,         115:13, 119:7, 120:5,      cause [3] - 99:8,        149:14, 149:21
         123:5, 124:17,          143:7                      120:17, 134:11,           155:16, 156:8              checks [1] - 38:1
         124:18, 125:5, 125:6,    budget [14] - 11:19,      147:13, 152:11,            cautious [1] - 117:11     Chicago [1] - 32:4
         125:8, 125:12, 133:6,   14:1, 40:3, 40:5,          154:13                     center [1] - 95:6         children [2] - 50:4,
         133:13, 138:8, 142:5,   40:10, 40:18, 40:22,        calls [1] - 40:19         Center [12] - 29:12,     66:16
         142:20                  41:2, 41:3, 41:5,           calm [1] - 100:22        116:22, 138:8, 147:7,      chip [3] - 51:14,
          books [2] - 11:15,     71:12, 112:4, 153:14        cannot [3] - 38:8,       147:9, 147:15,            55:15, 104:8
         11:17                    budgeting [1] -           76:15, 119:1              147:18, 148:3, 153:9       chip-covered [1] -
          border [1] - 83:15     111:3                       cans [1] - 101:7          centered [1] - 49:15     104:8
          bordering [1] -         budgets [1] - 100:1        cap [19] - 11:3, 11:4,    central [2] - 55:13,      chips [8] - 60:16,
         101:15                   buffer [2] - 51:3, 84:1   17:11, 17:15, 18:21,      65:20                     61:18, 73:2, 79:5,
          borders [1] - 80:11     buggy [1] - 90:8          19:4, 19:10, 19:16,        Cermak [1] - 121:15      86:8, 86:9, 97:5,
          borrow [12] - 15:2,     bugs [1] - 93:16          20:9, 21:2, 21:5, 21:7,    CERMAK [37] - 2:9,       115:5
         15:4, 15:13, 15:17,      build [13] - 20:17,       21:19, 24:16, 30:9,       9:13, 10:3, 43:4, 43:7,    chitchat [1] - 102:2
         15:20, 16:17, 25:9,     33:19, 33:20, 34:1,        35:16, 36:2, 40:4,        43:9, 44:16, 44:21,        chlorinated [1] -
         25:11, 37:9, 37:10,     34:4, 34:15, 34:17,        123:9                     56:17, 60:2, 60:7,        82:16
         37:19, 124:12           37:1, 63:18, 64:17,         capacity [2] - 6:12,     60:12, 68:17, 89:5,        choice [1] - 13:14
          borrowed [1] - 14:13   76:20, 99:5, 109:2         67:11                     94:19, 103:17,             choices [1] - 16:20
          Borrowing [1] -         buildable [1] - 63:19      capital [32] - 11:22,    103:21, 105:4,             choose [2] - 43:22,
         14:16                    building [10] - 7:22,     12:9, 12:14, 12:16,       115:20, 115:22,           142:12
          borrowing [5] -        33:11, 36:19, 69:22,       23:18, 26:8, 36:14,       116:5, 117:3, 117:10,      choosing [1] - 29:5
         14:17, 15:17, 25:1,     85:3, 94:1, 100:19,        36:15, 39:4, 39:5,        121:16, 132:2, 132:7,      chosen [3] - 27:13,
         26:4, 38:3              102:17, 106:13,            39:8, 39:9, 40:2, 40:4,   132:11, 135:2, 145:1,     143:11, 143:12
          bother [1] - 109:17    131:20                     40:11, 111:2, 111:10,     146:12, 146:16,            Chris [2] - 75:4,
          bottom [4] - 37:20,     buildings [1] - 147:9     111:15, 111:20,           149:12, 149:22,           75:14
         92:21, 92:22, 101:19     built [4] - 80:15,        112:4, 112:12,            150:4, 150:11,             Christopher [4] -
          boundaries [1] -       80:20, 94:3, 108:15        112:13, 112:14,           150:14, 153:2             2:21, 45:12, 46:14,
         20:13                    bunch [1] - 92:13         112:16, 112:20,            certain [1] - 118:19     105:11
          bounds [1] - 58:20      burden [2] - 139:17,      114:4, 116:14,             Certainly [2] - 71:22,    CHUCK [1] - 100:13
          BOWEN [2] - 4:13,      139:18                     116:17, 117:17,           112:6                      Chuck [1] - 100:17
         6:7                      Burke [4] - 2:22,         120:1, 120:13, 121:6       certainly [8] - 31:8,     circle [1] - 91:7
          Bowen [1] - 4:14       45:12, 46:14, 105:11        capturing [1] - 126:7    56:20, 72:3, 88:20,        circulation [2] -
          brag [1] - 102:17       Burlington [1] - 1:10      car [2] - 15:5, 101:4    94:16, 95:4, 101:9,       48:10, 53:14
          breed [1] - 70:11       burner [1] - 111:13        care [8] - 4:22, 71:3,   102:22                     citing [1] - 5:4
          BREWTON [1] - 96:7      business [4] - 18:11,     81:7, 89:8, 90:19,         certify [1] - 156:7
                                                                                                                 citizens [2] - 8:15,
          Brewton [1] - 96:7     153:4, 153:20              96:6, 105:16, 110:4        chairs [2] - 90:13,      100:1
          bricks [1] - 88:15      butt [1] - 103:8           careful [3] - 28:1,      90:14                      clanging [1] - 102:20
          bridge [17] - 48:11,    buy [4] - 15:4, 22:6,     100:3, 134:9               chance [1] - 145:6        clarification [3] -
         51:17, 59:19, 59:20,    22:9, 36:9                  CAROL [1] - 94:21         change [8] - 30:19,      13:2, 13:4, 13:19
         73:6, 73:7, 73:10,       buying [3] - 12:19,        Carol [2] - 94:21,       79:15, 79:17, 79:19,       clarify [7] - 14:6,
         86:12, 86:16, 86:22,    22:6, 38:17                96:5                      95:3, 100:22, 106:9,      17:2, 17:4, 17:17,
         87:2, 87:5, 98:22,       buys [1] - 12:18           carried [2] - 42:20,     129:15                    40:18, 43:1, 60:2
         99:5, 99:6, 113:12                                 47:14                      changed [3] - 28:16,
                                                                                                                 clarity [2] - 40:1,
          bridges [2] - 76:20,                               cars [1] - 63:17         115:5, 153:18
                                           C                 case [5] - 132:22,        changes [2] - 76:3,
                                                                                                                140:2
         86:13                                                                                                   classified [1] - 9:8
          brief [2] - 79:9,                                 135:9, 136:18,            139:2
                                                                                                                 clean [2] - 73:4, 79:7
         121:20                   C.S.R [2] - 1:12,         136:20, 137:1              changing [2] - 80:4,
                                                                                                                 cleaning [2] - 73:19,
          briefly [3] - 26:19,   156:4                       cases [1] - 135:20       101:3
                                                                                                                113:11
         27:17, 132:19            C7 [2] - 62:16, 63:4       cash [29] - 12:11,        chapter [1] - 41:12
                                                                                                                 clear [5] - 8:21, 9:3,
          Briefly [1] - 26:21     cabin [1] - 102:18        12:19, 12:21, 14:11,       character [2] - 61:1,
                                                                                                                44:14, 94:13, 129:2

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        Clearly [1] - 65:15         commenting [2] -          completely [2] -         141:1, 141:14             contaminated [1] -       5
        clearly [6] - 36:21,      6:5                        11:16, 35:15               confusion [1] - 141:2   82:16
       40:3, 65:18, 78:21,          comments [12] -           complicated [1] -         conjunction [2] -        contamination [1] -
       79:1, 118:21               6:21, 7:18, 31:13,         134:8                     66:8, 153:12             83:3
        Clerk [1] - 2:18          41:9, 41:20, 46:7,          compliment [1] -          connects [2] - 48:11,    contemplated [1] -
        clerk's [1] - 122:3       46:12, 69:1, 76:22,        77:7                      53:15                    12:16
        clock [1] - 8:16          117:18, 118:4, 130:7        comply [3] - 105:10,      cons [2] - 18:14,        continually [1] - 4:14
        close [6] - 5:17, 69:9,     commercializing [1]      106:1, 106:6              30:20                     continuation [1] -
       69:15, 108:18, 131:3,      - 98:5                      component [2] -           consensus [4] -         83:2
       139:9                        commission [1] -         12:6, 66:19               67:16, 67:22, 106:16,     continue [6] - 25:20,
        closely [1] - 57:16       156:17                      components [2] -         107:2                    55:22, 142:11,
        closer [3] - 73:8,          commissioned [2] -       105:16, 115:8              consent [1] - 15:13     148:10, 148:15,
       106:5, 151:7               1:13, 156:5                 comprehensive [2] -       Consent [1] - 44:20     150:17
        clubhouse [3] -             Commissioner [15] -      67:20, 118:11              consequently [1] -       continued [1] -
       147:8, 147:19, 148:4       2:6, 5:21, 7:13, 17:3,      computer [1] - 146:2     44:17                    121:11
        clubs [1] - 93:7          21:10, 21:20, 27:7,         concentrated [2] -        conservative [1] -       continues [2] -
        Clyde [1] - 4:14          28:12, 38:5, 38:14,        101:11, 101:13            27:22                    72:13, 73:12
        CNE [8] - 147:2,          117:12, 120:14,             concept [25] - 18:20,     consider [2] - 5:11,     contract [7] - 146:17,
       147:13, 147:17,            133:13, 142:19,            18:21, 26:15, 48:19,      108:17                   148:8, 148:10,
       147:21, 148:1,             143:20                     50:21, 53:6, 55:10,        consideration [4] -     148:20, 148:22,
       148:10, 148:16,              Commissioners [1] -      66:17, 67:8, 67:14,       19:4, 43:21, 66:14,      149:8, 151:10
       150:18                     127:8                      68:3, 88:21, 101:17,      134:9                     contracts [2] -
        coated [1] - 52:21          COMMISSIONERS            104:1, 106:1, 106:8,       considerations [1] -    148:16, 149:7
        Code [1] - 41:16          [4] - 1:2, 1:6, 1:9, 2:1   109:4, 113:7, 114:12,     120:13                    contrary [1] - 25:3
        code [1] - 87:4             commissioners [3] -      114:16, 115:7, 116:7,      considered [1] -         control [5] - 9:12,
        codes [1] - 106:7         47:6, 77:7, 79:13          116:10, 116:13, 120:7     119:22                   9:17, 76:16, 82:7,
        COLETTE [1] - 87:9          commit [2] - 111:21,      concepts [13] - 45:5,     considering [2] -       87:8
        Colette [1] - 87:9        117:9                      46:1, 46:2, 46:3, 46:9,   5:11, 14:8                convenient [1] -
        collect [1] - 73:6          communications [1]       46:11, 51:22, 54:19,       Constellation [4] -     84:14
        collected [2] -           - 3:19                     66:11, 67:11, 69:5,       146:17, 146:21,           Cook [1] - 156:6
       140:16, 142:1                community [16] -         79:14, 119:22             150:1, 150:15             cool [2] - 93:3, 93:19
        collection [1] - 141:5    12:10, 22:5, 23:1,          concern [6] - 29:14,      constraints [2] -        copies [1] - 153:11
        collectively [1] -        23:8, 29:2, 31:10,         29:16, 77:12, 77:18,      47:18, 47:20              core [1] - 67:6
       108:15                     32:11, 58:1, 58:3,         85:17, 87:16               constructed [2] -        corner [2] - 54:15,
        color [1] - 71:19         65:18, 66:2, 102:4,         concerned [2] -          73:2, 80:20              101:19
        column [4] - 128:22,      106:20, 109:7,             88:16, 89:16               Construction [1] -       correct [17] - 32:17,
       140:21, 141:3, 153:11      110:21, 132:1               concerning [1] -         80:21                    39:19, 40:21, 63:15,
        combination [1] -           company [1] - 52:20      42:5                       construction [18] -     78:6, 86:18, 112:15,
       126:9                        comparable [1] -          concerns [4] - 47:5,     19:8, 21:14, 30:12,      115:16, 117:12,
        combined [1] - 47:4       24:13                      77:8, 104:7, 118:4        76:2, 107:15, 122:2,     123:3, 123:7, 128:15,
        ComEd [3] - 149:19,         comparative [1] -         concludes [1] -          122:4, 124:2, 124:22,    129:18, 130:21,
       150:3, 150:4               153:11                     153:2                     126:8, 130:16,           133:14, 145:17, 156:9
        comfortable [1] -           compare [1] - 150:9       concrete [2] - 52:12,    131:10, 131:18,           Correct [1] - 123:11
       118:18                       compared [1] - 27:19     59:19                     138:3, 138:13,            correctly [2] - 107:9,
        comfortably [1] -           compares [1] -            concurrence [1] -        139:13, 139:14,          128:12
       22:11                      136:19                     68:17                     139:17                    cost [34] - 5:18, 6:8,
        coming [16] - 31:13,        comparison [1] -          condemned [1] -           constructions [1] -     6:10, 6:16, 6:18, 7:3,
       41:1, 49:9, 51:18,         29:19                      7:21                      131:13                   7:5, 12:10, 12:20,
       55:21, 88:12, 88:19,         comparisons [1] -         condition [3] - 35:5,     consultant [1] - 46:7   13:7, 13:10, 16:7,
       103:12, 133:12,            139:1                      53:5, 82:14                consultants [2] -       22:4, 22:20, 24:12,
       134:3, 136:6, 136:12,        compelling [1] - 25:3     conditions [1] -         45:19, 76:18             24:18, 55:5, 55:7,
       143:14, 151:7,               compensating [1] -       82:22                      Consultants [1] -       68:7, 71:6, 71:14,
       151:17, 152:2              101:2                       conducting [1] -         46:1                     79:12, 79:22, 104:3,
        commend [3] -               compensatory [6] -       127:4                      consume [1] - 64:22     105:7, 107:14, 109:6,
       46:21, 77:7, 99:17         75:15, 75:19, 76:6,         configurations [1] -      Consumer [1] -          109:10, 112:9,
        comment [12] - 5:15,      76:12, 80:19, 80:22        46:5                      121:22                   118:19, 118:22,
       8:13, 9:6, 10:2, 18:18,      complete [3] - 38:4,      confirm [2] - 46:11,      consumes [2] - 54:3,    127:3, 147:12
       30:6, 34:5, 68:14,         110:18, 156:10             82:21                     57:14                     costs [10] - 7:4,
       68:22, 78:20, 79:10,         completed [2] -           conflict [1] - 32:9       contained [1] -         14:16, 22:18, 24:6,
       94:8                       11:11, 131:16               confusing [2] -          103:22                   38:7, 40:16, 71:13,

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         127:12, 128:3, 128:14   51:16, 65:7, 81:9          Darcy [3] - 45:11,         December [9] -           102:19                    6
          counsel [4] - 34:8,     credit [1] - 37:11       46:15, 52:3                11:14, 43:17, 43:19,       Design [1] - 46:14
         34:9, 37:5, 37:12        creek [11] - 59:11,       dark [1] - 86:4           44:17, 122:14,             design [12] - 47:7,
          count [2] - 123:9,     67:4, 70:10, 72:13,        darker [1] - 86:9         122:21, 125:7, 145:1,     47:9, 47:17, 47:19,
         139:4                   73:17, 73:22, 79:4,        dash [1] - 50:5           146:13                    47:22, 48:5, 62:5,
          County [2] - 127:9,    80:17, 82:2, 83:5,         date [8] - 32:7,           decide [8] - 63:9,       84:10, 86:14, 105:13,
         156:6                   94:15                     43:15, 43:16, 43:17,       79:21, 95:14, 96:4,       106:4, 106:5
          COUNTY [1] - 156:2      Creek [7] - 49:2,        44:1, 44:14, 67:13,        109:6, 109:20,             designation [2] -
          county [2] - 75:6,     51:11, 51:16, 53:18,      118:5                      111:22, 116:20            75:8, 76:1
         122:2                   54:12, 66:1, 82:16         dated [1] - 45:16          decided [7] - 5:4,        designed [2] - 52:9,
          couple [3] - 11:11,     criteria [1] - 114:22     dates [1] - 43:1          22:9, 40:7, 80:1, 80:2,   70:4
         32:14, 81:14             critical [1] - 19:1       daughter [1] - 59:1       115:2, 133:10              designing [1] - 47:10
          course [14] - 13:10,    criticism [2] - 23:4,     dawn [2] - 88:18,          decides [1] - 119:4       designs [1] - 54:19
         22:13, 28:10, 30:2,     23:5                      89:7                        decision [13] - 23:17,    desiring [2] - 8:4,
         60:21, 69:17, 85:2,      criticizing [1] -         dawn-to-dusk [2] -        28:21, 30:7, 30:16,       41:21
         122:12, 124:9, 125:5,   143:20                    88:18, 89:7                30:18, 44:4, 79:21,        despite [1] - 144:12
         133:18, 147:8,           crossing [3] - 54:12,     day [5] - 12:21,          118:18, 118:22,            destination [1] -
         147:19, 148:4           86:16, 88:8               81:12, 99:19, 145:9,       124:3, 130:12, 142:13     62:13
          Course [1] - 84:18      crud [1] - 93:16         148:8                       decisions [2] - 4:15,     destroyed [1] - 73:14
          court [39] - 48:8,      CSR [1] - 156:15          days [7] - 43:1, 44:6,    4:17                       details [3] - 7:1,
         48:9, 50:17, 50:22,      cul [1] - 49:8           72:21, 122:17, 127:1,       declining [1] - 11:15    69:19, 102:9
         51:1, 53:11, 53:13,      cul-de-sac [1] - 49:8    148:6, 148:22               decrease [1] - 130:1      detention [1] - 81:1
         53:21, 54:2, 57:10,      curb [3] - 52:12,         de [1] - 49:8              decreasing [1] -          determination [2] -
         57:14, 57:20, 57:21,    52:13, 52:14               deadlines [1] - 9:4       19:13                     43:13, 45:6
         58:7, 58:9, 58:15,       current [4] - 35:6,       deal [4] - 37:9, 37:10,    deemed [1] - 12:1         determine [4] - 76:6,
         58:17, 58:20, 59:6,     40:3, 40:5, 55:16         61:2, 92:3                  deep [1] - 81:21         83:1, 121:18, 127:2
         61:22, 62:3, 62:6,       Currently [1] - 83:18     dealing [1] - 81:5         deeper [2] - 5:14,        determined [1] -
         62:9, 62:11, 62:16,      currently [5] - 35:5,     Deb [6] - 43:4, 123:2,    91:11                     44:15
         63:5, 63:6, 63:11,      67:1, 70:19, 100:19,      123:14, 129:2,              deer [3] - 74:2,          determines [1] -
         64:21, 66:17, 66:19,    102:6                     135:20, 140:1              97:21, 98:1               127:11
         66:20, 66:22, 71:1,      Curtiss [20] - 18:4,      debate [4] - 126:13,       deferred [1] - 22:2       determining [2] -
         71:2, 106:12            45:2, 45:18, 45:22,       132:20, 139:5, 144:20       deferring [1] - 22:3     122:16, 126:19
          Court [3] - 48:22,     48:21, 49:21, 50:8,        debated [2] - 24:7,        deficit [1] - 66:22       develop [4] - 47:20,
         77:5, 80:10             53:18, 68:5, 69:8,        126:1                       definitely [1] - 113:6   103:1, 113:19, 114:15
          courts [6] - 48:10,    69:12, 72:10, 88:2,        debates [2] - 126:16,      definition [1] - 16:15    developed [7] -
         53:21, 58:13, 62:7,     94:22, 96:8, 101:22,      126:17                      delayed [4] - 40:12,     47:18, 48:1, 48:5,
         66:20, 100:18           104:17, 104:18,            DEBBIE [1] - 2:18         40:14, 94:10, 131:21      82:21, 95:5, 105:16,
          covenant [1] - 83:16   104:21, 104:22             DEBORAH [1] - 2:14         delete [1] - 57:10       118:19
          cover [7] - 13:7,       curve [2] - 14:18,        debris [3] - 73:4,         deleting [1] - 57:8       developing [7] -
         14:10, 17:9, 24:6,      24:21                     73:6, 99:10                 delta [2] - 149:9,       57:2, 71:15, 74:7,
         24:15, 41:2, 103:22      curved [1] - 52:19        debt [45] - 5:14,         149:10                    74:10, 103:6, 106:3,
          covered [2] - 103:4,    Cut [1] - 26:13          10:13, 10:22, 14:10,        demand [1] - 62:9        107:19
         104:8                    cut [10] - 25:14,        14:22, 15:22, 16:6,         democratic [1] -          development [5] -
          covering [1] - 38:18   25:21, 26:14, 27:18,      16:12, 16:13, 16:15,       109:12                    80:18, 95:2, 105:20,
          covers [1] - 84:8      64:8, 67:11, 81:10,       17:13, 25:13, 25:14,        demonstrated [1] -       106:4, 121:7
          CPI [10] - 122:3,      87:19, 93:22, 126:16      25:16, 25:20, 25:21,       15:22                      diameter [1] - 91:7
         122:5, 124:2, 126:4,     cut-in [1] - 67:11       30:13, 36:3, 36:4,          demonstrates [1] -        difference [13] -
         138:3, 138:12,           cycle [1] - 24:1         122:11, 122:12,            144:3                     14:18, 15:12, 19:3,
         139:12, 139:13,                                   123:4, 123:20, 124:1,       department [3] -         20:22, 24:22, 29:21,
         139:16                            D               124:4, 125:14, 130:4,      34:14, 75:4, 75:5         113:4, 136:12,
          create [14] - 47:22,                             133:6, 133:11,              depend [1] - 131:20      136:14, 141:20,
         48:7, 48:8, 48:9,                                 133:12, 133:14,             depending [1] - 7:4      142:3, 143:9, 149:12
         49:13, 51:7, 55:1,       daddy [1] - 93:14        135:3, 135:7, 135:13,                                 differences [1] - 18:1
                                                                                       depends [1] - 131:5
         55:3, 57:17, 59:16,      dam [1] - 99:1           135:14, 136:4,                                        different [21] - 8:9,
                                                                                       depressed [2] -
         62:11, 62:12, 65:9,      damming [1] - 99:8       136:12, 137:2, 138:5,                                9:4, 18:6, 18:17,
                                                                                      52:14, 52:17
         85:11                    damp [1] - 85:15         142:2, 142:14,                                       31:10, 35:20, 46:5,
                                                                                       depression [1] -
          created [5] - 50:16,    Dan [4] - 9:12, 44:19,   142:16, 142:21,                                      60:16, 63:7, 66:6,
                                                                                      52:11
         54:8, 58:22, 80:21,     45:14, 67:15              143:13                                               76:7, 111:17, 112:14,
                                                                                       description [1] -
         99:1                     DAN [1] - 2:9             debts [1] - 27:5                                    112:17, 125:18,
                                                                                      63:15
          creating [4] - 48:6,    DARCY [1] - 2:16          decades [1] - 24:12                                 135:21, 136:5,
                                                                                       deserves [1] -

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       139:22, 140:16,             11:20, 12:12, 13:12,       95:21, 96:1, 96:6          dry [2] - 90:9, 90:10    128:14                   7
       140:19, 142:6               15:3, 15:13, 19:14,         Doty [1] - 94:21          ducks [1] - 74:4          electric [1] - 146:22
        differently [1] - 17:8     20:2, 20:4, 20:10,          double [1] - 145:15       due [1] - 145:13          electricity [2] -
        difficult [2] - 148:17,    20:12, 20:17, 20:18,        double-check [1] -        dug [1] - 80:21          147:13, 148:11
       151:13                      20:19, 22:22, 33:9,        145:15                     duly [1] - 156:5          element [11] - 50:2,
        diligently [1] - 94:17     33:13, 35:15, 35:21,        Doug [8] - 45:11,         DuPage [1] - 127:9       50:6, 50:13, 54:10,
        diminution [1] -           37:14, 37:16, 38:11,       46:13, 46:16, 46:18,       during [6] - 4:10,       58:7, 62:13, 63:10,
       144:11                      42:6, 47:17, 72:3,         65:14, 66:18, 86:18,      75:14, 81:12, 82:11,      64:4, 64:17, 65:8,
        direct [4] - 56:10,        74:9, 79:7, 81:5, 81:9,    105:6                     110:4, 148:1              65:19
       68:6, 104:2, 109:12         83:9, 83:14, 84:20,         Doug's [1] - 105:11       dusk [2] - 88:18,         elements [12] - 46:5,
        directed [2] - 46:8,       85:2, 92:6, 103:9,          DOUGLAS [1] - 2:21       89:7                      47:7, 47:11, 50:18,
       127:20                      122:15, 127:7,              down [49] - 24:2,                                  51:10, 53:4, 57:12,
                                   131:11, 143:13,                                                                58:11, 64:15, 64:16,
        directions [1] - 46:12                                25:15, 25:18, 25:21,                E
        directly [2] - 80:11,      143:22, 146:21,            28:22, 37:21, 40:14,                                64:20, 66:6
       89:9                        147:17, 148:17,            48:22, 49:8, 49:21,                                  elevations [1] - 63:7
        director [1] - 144:10      149:3, 150:19              51:9, 51:10, 51:18,        e-mail [2] - 32:5,        eleven [7] - 6:13,
        Director [7] - 2:10,        district's [1] - 148:11   53:22, 54:4, 56:13,       41:16                     15:14, 15:17, 25:11,
       2:11, 2:13, 45:9,            districts [2] - 62:6,     57:16, 59:12, 61:5,        early [1] - 101:4        25:15, 48:5, 116:8
       103:22, 117:18,             126:22                     70:20, 77:5, 78:14,        easily [2] - 14:21,       eleventh [1] - 48:3
       121:20                       ditch [1] - 75:21         78:18, 79:4, 82:2,        67:8                       eliminating [1] -
        dirt [1] - 76:11            divert [1] - 94:2         85:5, 85:20, 85:22,        east [3] - 70:1,         77:10
        disagree [6] - 21:10,       Division [1] - 59:1       87:21, 87:22, 89:18,      100:18, 103:2              Elmwood [2] - 82:1,
       21:20, 23:14, 25:8,          Doerhoefer [15] -         89:20, 90:13, 92:2,        easy [1] - 139:21        83:4
       26:15, 28:7                 5:2, 5:18, 7:2, 12:4,      92:11, 96:5, 102:1,        eaten [1] - 35:10         ELSA [1] - 2:11
        disagreeing [1] -          18:5, 29:4, 29:7,          103:3, 106:13,             Ebersold [2] -            Emerald [1] - 46:14
       41:4                        32:16, 39:14, 39:15,       107:16, 108:13,           147:10, 147:16             empty [3] - 69:13,
        disappeared [1] -          39:19, 100:6, 147:10,      123:19, 126:17,            economically [1] -       87:11, 94:6
       57:4                        147:19, 148:4              133:7, 135:21, 137:3,     24:19                      end [6] - 12:12,
        discipline [4] -            dog [5] - 56:22,          137:6, 137:13, 143:16      ecosystems [1] -         23:19, 50:11, 70:14,
       15:18, 19:1, 21:15,         66:13, 78:17, 96:14,        DOWNERS [2] - 1:1,       66:9                      73:3, 79:6
       26:16                       114:20                     1:9                        edge [5] - 59:13,         ended [3] - 25:7,
        discretion [2] -            dogs [2] - 74:12,          Downers [9] - 1:10,      59:15, 63:16, 64:9,       75:20, 146:1
       106:15, 118:6               93:6                       1:11, 3:2, 5:6, 49:4,     66:9                       ending [1] - 153:15
        discretionary [2] -         dollar [7] - 19:6,        82:17, 84:18, 121:13,      educational [1] -         Energy [4] - 146:17,
       26:9, 26:14                 39:3, 69:22, 134:3,        127:9                     66:8                      146:22, 150:1, 150:16
        discuss [3] - 43:12,       136:13, 141:9               downpayment [1] -         effect [3] - 13:22,       energy [3] - 84:9,
       80:3, 144:20                 dollar-for-dollar [1] -   22:14                     19:10, 19:15              117:15, 146:19
        discussed [6] - 24:4,      134:3                       Downtown [1] -            effective [2] - 113:9,    engineering [3] -
       31:5, 66:13, 66:17,          dollars [26] - 4:17,      82:17                     147:12                    75:4, 76:4, 82:11
       88:21, 105:13               6:8, 15:14, 15:17,          drag [1] - 61:13          effort [1] - 84:9         Engineering [2] -
        discussing [1] -           17:1, 19:9, 20:1, 20:5,     Dragga [1] - 87:10        efforts [2] - 81:4,      2:22, 45:12
       28:17                       20:20, 25:12, 25:15,        drain [2] - 81:7, 82:3   144:12                     English [4] - 33:15,
        discussion [21] -          32:20, 39:6, 70:1,          drainage [1] - 81:6       egrets [1] - 74:3        33:16, 33:22, 34:13
       8:11, 10:6, 27:16,          74:20, 78:8, 81:16,         draining [1] - 81:22      eight [4] - 70:14,        enhance [3] - 59:15,
       28:15, 29:10, 29:12,        99:22, 100:5, 123:19,       draw [1] - 24:2          90:12, 148:20, 151:14     59:17, 76:13
       31:12, 33:4, 48:17,         124:20, 129:9,              drawing [5] - 80:12,      eight-foot-high [1] -     enhanced [1] - 66:3
       68:16, 114:5, 119:6,        129:17, 137:3, 139:22      108:16, 109:1, 133:7,     70:14                      enhancements [1] -
       119:20, 120:4, 124:8,        donated [1] - 84:20       144:2                      eighteen [1] - 151:17    5:20
       125:3, 130:4, 134:10,        donations [2] -            drawings [1] - 69:1       either [14] - 8:5,        enjoy [1] - 54:10
       137:5, 152:10, 154:10       129:20, 130:1               drive [1] - 56:3         8:21, 21:6, 30:14,         enjoys [1] - 89:17
        discussions [2] -           done [22] - 12:8,          Drive [1] - 4:14         44:11, 71:22, 108:14,      enlarging [1] - 20:13
       48:16, 120:1                17:22, 23:17, 40:15,        driveway [4] - 88:8,     108:19, 114:4, 132:6,      enormous [1] - 95:3
        distress [1] - 36:6        46:20, 54:21, 55:19,       88:11, 88:13, 89:15       135:22, 145:10,            enter [6] - 50:7,
        distributed [2] -          72:2, 72:3, 78:22,          driveways [2] - 56:2,    146:4, 146:6              52:17, 148:9, 148:15,
       128:22, 153:7               82:11, 94:14, 96:16,       88:14                      elaborated [1] -         150:17, 151:10
        District [7] - 3:2, 5:6,   105:10, 112:11,             driving [1] - 88:11      39:12                      entering [1] - 149:8
       41:15, 121:14, 127:9,       113:3, 113:13,              drop [1] - 49:18          elaboration [1] -         enters [1] - 52:16
       127:14, 127:19              113:14, 131:15,             drop-off [1] - 49:18     140:2                      entertain [2] - 66:5,
        DISTRICT [1] - 2:8         143:1, 145:21, 149:16       drops [3] - 124:18,       election [5] - 127:4,    106:22
        district [46] - 8:2,        DOTY [4] - 94:21,         133:15, 137:8             127:5, 127:12, 128:2,      entire [10] - 12:15,

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         14:3, 71:4, 73:5,          event [3] - 21:15,        experts [1] - 35:1         59:6                         fire [3] - 89:12,          8
         75:12, 100:20, 101:1,     52:16, 85:1                expires [1] - 156:17        fan [1] - 101:10           89:13, 91:16
         124:5, 143:12, 156:10      exact [2] - 104:11,       explain [4] - 8:3,          far [3] - 36:2, 48:5,       firm [2] - 82:12,
          entirely [2] - 51:21,    141:7                     36:1, 137:14, 140:18        98:20                       105:11
         142:6                      exactly [5] - 9:3,        explains [1] - 140:22       favor [9] - 13:16,          firms [1] - 76:5
          entitled [2] - 155:16,   34:10, 40:13, 90:16,       explore [4] - 10:16,       25:4, 71:8, 78:17,           first [12] - 14:9,
         156:8                     144:3                     68:8, 104:4, 106:17         85:8, 110:10, 118:16,       20:12, 48:2, 65:3,
          entrance [3] - 50:6,      examine [2] - 68:7,       expressed [5] - 74:7,      121:6, 155:11               71:15, 73:5, 79:17,
         53:19, 91:14              104:3                     79:11, 79:12, 107:6,         favorably [1] - 58:14      87:16, 104:10, 152:2,
          environment [3] -         examined [1] - 57:12     118:15                       feature [2] - 55:20,       153:8, 153:17
         62:12, 95:4, 101:3         example [2] - 52:19,      extended [3] - 122:8,      66:1                         First [1] - 75:4
          environmental [4] -      135:9                     127:18                       features [2] - 52:5,        fiscal [13] - 12:13,
         47:5, 47:9, 47:18,         examples [1] -            extension [1] -            64:11                       23:19, 135:18,
         94:9                      123:15                    110:19                       February [1] - 156:17      136:17, 137:7, 137:8,
          envisioned [1] -          exceed [4] - 33:11,       extensions [2] -            feet [7] - 72:18,          140:10, 140:16,
         84:12                     36:3, 132:3, 132:4        128:2, 128:14               81:19, 81:21, 87:2,         141:6, 141:8, 141:13,
          EPA [2] - 94:11           exceeds [1] - 132:5       extensive [4] -            87:5, 90:13, 103:12         141:18
          equal [7] - 135:10,       except [3] - 96:11,      94:12, 121:7, 125:21,        fellow [1] - 79:13          FISCHER [1] - 2:11
         136:6, 136:10,            133:6, 133:11             126:12                       felt [3] - 6:16, 12:9,      fit [7] - 9:17, 18:22,
         136:21, 137:2, 138:1,      excess [1] - 14:22        extent [1] - 60:10         18:7                        22:11, 31:1, 61:1,
         144:18                     excessive [2] - 15:1,     extreme [1] - 132:22        fence [5] - 83:18,         71:12, 146:9
          equidistant [1] -        109:10                     extremely [1] - 69:17      83:19, 83:20, 83:21,         fitness [1] - 66:4
         49:16                      exciting [1] - 97:7                                  99:10                        five [19] - 7:6, 14:15,
          equipment [2] - 81:9,     excluding [1] - 138:5               F                 fencing [1] - 83:22        14:17, 14:21, 15:6,
         107:20                     exclusive [4] - 127:2,                                few [3] - 74:3, 95:17,     16:20, 26:13, 26:18,
          erect [1] - 84:18        127:11, 128:2, 128:14                                 101:12                      95:1, 117:1, 121:9,
          erected [2] - 75:16,                                faces [1] - 49:18           fewest [1] - 67:12         122:10, 125:9, 130:1,
                                    excuse [1] - 49:5
         83:22                                                facilitate [1] - 45:20      fiancee [1] - 87:10        135:22, 136:7,
                                    Excuse [2] - 6:7,
          erection [1] - 83:17     144:9                      Facilities [1] - 2:13       field [14] - 5:18, 5:20,   136:16, 137:20,
          erosion [1] - 82:7        executive [4] -           facilities [15] - 8:2,     6:9, 6:12, 7:4, 12:7,       137:21
          error [1] - 128:17       153:21, 154:8, 155:3,     23:9, 33:13, 33:18,         53:1, 85:9, 87:12,           flat [7] - 14:18,
          especially [5] -         155:5                     33:19, 34:4, 34:16,         89:10, 91:4, 91:17,         24:21, 51:2, 54:1,
         102:4, 102:8, 103:6,                                34:18, 36:20, 37:1,         93:20, 94:6                 55:3, 57:17, 60:20
                                    existing [27] - 8:1,
         106:20, 114:10                                      37:13, 38:11, 47:16,         fields [3] - 6:15,          flavor [1] - 52:4
                                   11:3, 11:4, 20:15,
          essentially [1] -                                  47:17, 47:20                6:18, 29:1                   flexibility [2] - 61:19,
                                   20:20, 33:13, 33:18,
         136:14                    33:19, 33:21, 34:4,        facility [11] - 33:21,      fifteen [2] - 7:6, 23:2    65:20
          estate [1] - 23:21       34:15, 34:18, 36:1,       47:10, 48:13, 48:14,         fight [1] - 95:12           flies [1] - 113:20
          estimate [6] - 55:5,     36:19, 36:20, 37:1,       49:4, 49:5, 49:22,                                       flight [2] - 95:12,
                                                                                          figure [5] - 6:11,
         55:7, 127:16, 131:9,      37:13, 38:11, 51:2,       51:21, 52:9, 54:9,                                      95:14
                                                                                         11:2, 21:18, 22:10,
         132:14, 132:15            51:13, 51:20, 54:1,       83:9                                                     floated [1] - 124:11
                                                                                         111:6
          estimated [11] -         55:20, 85:17, 126:6        fact [10] - 7:1, 7:2,                                   flood [3] - 76:16,
                                                                                          filed [1] - 131:13
         121:18, 122:1,             exists [2] - 52:4,       23:15, 27:1, 27:13,                                     77:20, 87:7
                                                                                          fill [1] - 73:21
         122:16, 126:8,            82:15                     27:15, 57:15, 62:8,                                      flooded [2] - 77:15,
                                                                                          filling [1] - 64:18
         126:19, 127:5,                                      101:11, 125:5                                           96:11
                                    expended [1] - 7:9                                    final [9] - 43:2,
         127:12, 127:18,                                      factor [2] - 30:19,                                     floodplain [8] -
                                    expenditures [2] -                                   43:13, 62:15, 68:3,
         130:20, 132:7, 132:9                                122:3                                                   64:14, 64:18, 74:22,
                                   26:9, 31:1                                            85:21, 91:1, 104:2,
          Estimated [1] -                                     fair [3] - 9:19, 10:1,                                 75:7, 75:8, 75:11,
                                    expense [3] - 5:5,                                   107:9, 122:11
         130:19                                              60:8                                                    75:20, 76:1
                                   15:7, 20:20                                            finals [1] - 131:16
          estimates [3] - 68:7,                               fairly [1] - 33:15                                      floods [2] - 101:20,
                                    expenses [8] - 8:3,                                   financial [5] - 5:7,
         104:3, 105:7              33:14, 36:3, 37:14,        FALESCH [1] - 99:16                                    101:21
                                                                                         19:1, 44:2, 44:7,
          etc [5] - 33:9, 43:1,    37:16, 38:6, 38:9,         Falesch [1] - 99:16                                     floodway [5] - 75:9,
                                                                                         141:17
         65:22                     38:12                      fall [3] - 93:15, 131:1,                               75:12, 76:1, 76:2,
                                                                                          financially [3] -
          evaluate [2] - 58:12,     expensive [5] -          133:17                                                  87:8
                                                                                         147:16, 148:16, 149:3
         145:6                     16:15, 16:16, 16:18,       fallacious [2] -                                        flow [7] - 14:11, 73:7,
                                                                                          Fine [2] - 38:20,
          evening [16] - 4:13,     16:19, 16:22              143:18, 144:6                                           86:17, 86:20, 87:1,
                                                                                         139:4
         43:21, 44:4, 44:16,        experience [2] -          falling [1] - 19:22                                    87:3, 139:7
                                                                                          fine [8] - 13:5, 17:16,
         44:22, 45:14, 45:15,      62:4, 77:21                falls [1] - 116:17         34:19, 34:22, 38:16,         flowing [2] - 70:12,
         80:9, 94:20, 100:13,       experienced [1] -         familiar [1] - 78:7        136:8, 145:12, 152:4        82:10
         101:5, 105:5, 121:17,     61:4                       families [1] - 22:10        finish [2] - 13:3, 41:8     flying [1] - 65:22
         128:8, 146:20, 153:3       expert [1] - 24:22        family [2] - 15:4,          finished [1] - 99:20        focus [2] - 54:16,

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       65:16                    148:19, 151:14             gauge [1] - 110:12       27:4, 35:8, 35:17,          green [1] - 65:20         9
        folding [1] - 90:14      Four [1] - 32:5           Gelwicks [7] - 3:4,      35:19, 41:13, 42:6,         Greens' [1] - 83:21
        foliage [1] - 110:5      fraction [1] - 6:11      42:14, 119:12,            53:1, 53:20, 62:17,         grid [2] - 116:15,
        folks [1] - 95:9         franchise [1] - 150:6    120:22, 134:16,           63:6, 127:4                116:18
        follow [1] - 116:13      FRANK [1] - 99:16        152:16, 154:18             generally [1] - 46:12      ground [12] - 52:18,
        followed [2] - 28:10,    Frank [1] - 99:16         GELWICKS [124] -          generate [1] - 111:20     63:16, 64:1, 64:9,
       29:22                     free [2] - 50:20,        2:2, 3:1, 3:5, 3:14,       gentleman [4] - 41:8,     64:13, 86:15, 87:4,
        following [2] - 30:1,   63:22                     3:18, 3:21, 4:2, 7:15,    76:10, 77:13, 102:15       87:5, 98:22, 99:6,
       155:6                     frequently [3] -         9:12, 9:18, 10:7, 13:3,    gentlemen [1] -           103:7, 109:3
        Following [2] -         60:21, 70:5, 74:11        13:19, 26:21, 28:12,      90:12                       group [2] - 59:5, 63:9
       121:10, 155:4             Friday [2] - 43:7,       30:5, 31:4, 31:17,         Gilbert [2] - 70:4,        GROVE [2] - 1:1, 1:9
        follows [4] - 40:6,     43:8                      31:20, 34:5, 34:8,        103:2                       Grove [9] - 1:10,
       45:19, 121:12, 126:21     friendly [2] - 28:1,     34:17, 39:11, 40:9,        given [6] - 13:14,        1:11, 3:2, 5:6, 49:4,
        food [2] - 132:18,      66:19                     41:7, 41:19, 42:9,        33:8, 41:22, 83:9,         82:17, 84:18, 121:14,
       132:19                    friends [1] - 97:16      42:15, 42:20, 44:19,      125:20, 125:22             127:9
        foot [4] - 63:14,        frisbee [1] - 65:22      54:20, 55:5, 55:9,         GO [5] - 16:9, 16:21,      grow [1] - 20:19
       70:14, 81:21, 88:4        front [3] - 33:8,        55:14, 56:1, 56:4,        17:1, 25:14                 guess [6] - 61:22,
        footing [1] - 16:10     70:18, 88:19              56:9, 56:15, 56:19,        goal [3] - 47:2, 47:3,    69:13, 86:12, 95:11,
        footprint [1] - 63:12    full [5] - 62:3, 62:9,   58:2, 59:3, 59:9,         50:19                      95:15, 96:3
        force [1] - 82:9        62:11, 66:19, 99:10       59:18, 59:22, 65:11,       God [1] - 37:18            guideline [1] - 43:16
        ford [1] - 86:15         fun [1] - 99:4           65:13, 68:12, 68:21,       Golf [1] - 84:18           guidepost [2] -
        forecasting [1] -        function [1] - 110:20    71:20, 72:12, 76:22,       golf [11] - 85:2, 93:6,   117:7, 117:8
       4:19                      functional [1] - 80:6    77:3, 78:20, 80:8,        93:7, 93:8, 95:15,          guys [3] - 62:10,
        foregoing [1] - 156:9                             87:15, 88:20, 89:2,       122:12, 124:9, 125:5,      96:9, 96:17
                                 functions [1] - 63:22
                                                          94:8, 94:20, 95:20,       147:8, 147:19, 148:4
        foreign [1] - 76:14      fund [5] - 12:16,
                                                          95:22, 99:15, 100:12,
        forest [3] - 63:17,     106:14, 111:19,
                                                          100:16, 102:11,
                                                                                     gopher [1] - 98:14                   H
       64:10                    112:13, 133:7                                        gorgeous [1] - 70:6
                                                          102:14, 103:15,            GOs [3] - 16:16,
        forethought [1] -        Fund [3] - 136:13,
                                                          103:18, 111:1, 112:6,     26:1, 26:2                  HAD [1] - 1:8
       116:6                    137:18, 143:2
                                                          113:16, 114:14,            Gotham [2] - 45:11,        half [18] - 6:11, 48:8,
        forever [1] - 142:15     fundamental [2] -
                                                          114:19, 115:6, 115:9,     46:13                      50:16, 53:10, 61:21,
        forks [1] - 99:7        79:14, 79:19
                                                          117:2, 117:11,             GOTHAM [34] - 2:21,       62:6, 62:9, 66:17,
        formal [1] - 107:3       funded [1] - 117:4
                                                          118:12, 119:6,                                       71:5, 74:20, 123:19,
        format [1] - 146:3       funding [11] - 45:8,                               46:19, 55:1, 55:7,
                                                          119:13, 119:18,                                      124:20, 129:8,
        fort [1] - 90:14        58:10, 67:17, 68:7,                                 55:12, 55:18, 56:2,
                                                          120:4, 120:9, 120:14,                                129:17, 131:7, 137:3,
        forth [3] - 61:5,       69:3, 104:4, 106:13,                                56:7, 56:11, 56:18,
                                                          120:17, 121:1, 121:8,                                143:7, 145:10
       62:11, 156:11            106:18, 112:16,                                     57:6, 57:9, 58:5, 59:7,
                                                          121:13, 123:1,            59:12, 59:20, 60:1,         Hall [1] - 1:10
        fortunately [1] -       112:17, 112:18
                                                          123:13, 130:8,                                        hand [2] - 12:11,
       24:20                     funds [5] - 17:12,                                 60:6, 60:10, 60:14,
                                                          130:17, 132:13,           60:18, 61:11, 61:13,       143:12
        Fortunately [1] -       121:18, 122:16,
                                                          134:10, 134:17,           61:16, 61:20, 62:5,         handed [2] - 135:16,
       13:11                    126:19
                                                          134:22, 135:5, 140:3,                                153:16
        forty [3] - 110:12,      future [25] - 9:3,                                 62:18, 63:1, 63:18,
                                                          140:9, 144:21, 145:3,     64:3, 64:13, 65:5,          handle [1] - 112:22
       148:20, 151:14           16:2, 27:12, 28:3,
                                                          145:11, 146:15,           65:12, 86:19                handout [2] - 153:6,
        forty-eight [2] -       28:9, 29:15, 30:16,
                                                          149:9, 149:15,                                       153:8
       148:20, 151:14           30:18, 46:9, 58:10,                                  grade [6] - 55:3,
                                                          149:18, 150:2, 150:7,                                 handy [1] - 140:21
        forward [19] - 4:4,     66:13, 106:15,                                      57:18, 60:19, 61:9,
                                                          150:12, 151:16,                                       hangout [1] - 90:15
                                111:15, 117:9, 118:5,                               86:16, 98:13
       9:11, 34:22, 57:1,                                 152:8, 152:10,
                                                                                     graded [1] - 55:8          happy [4] - 68:10,
       94:15, 114:4, 114:15,    119:20, 120:1,
                                                          152:17, 152:22,                                      109:19, 110:14,
       115:9, 115:11,           120:13, 130:3, 147:4,                                grading [1] - 76:11
                                                          153:5, 153:19, 154:1,                                146:17
       115:15, 115:17,          148:15, 149:2,                                       gradually [1] - 13:9
                                                          154:4, 154:13,                                        hard [2] - 50:15,
       115:19, 116:11,          150:18, 150:21, 152:1                                grammar [1] - 33:16
                                                          154:19, 155:2, 155:7,                                131:2
       116:19, 116:20,                                                               grant [4] - 58:11,
                                                          155:11, 155:13                                        hardscaping [1] -
       117:13, 117:19,                    G                                         58:14, 68:8, 104:4
                                                           gem [3] - 66:2,                                     86:2
       117:21, 118:13                                                                grants [1] - 144:12
                                                          73:17, 73:22                                          harm [1] - 97:12
        four [18] - 14:15,                                                           grass [3] - 81:10,
                                 gain [1] - 106:21         General [3] - 136:13,                                hate [1] - 140:7
       14:17, 14:21, 15:5,                                                          93:22
                                 game [3] - 54:16,        137:18, 143:2                                         hazardous [1] - 83:3
       16:20, 26:13, 26:18,                                                          great [2] - 105:15,
                                62:9                       general [21] - 7:19,                                 head [2] - 70:16,
       46:2, 81:21, 129:19,                                                         107:5
                                 garage [3] - 75:21,      8:17, 10:10, 11:7,                                   75:5
       129:22, 135:11,                                                               greater [3] - 21:15,
                                94:22                     14:9, 17:4, 18:15,                                    heading [1] - 88:16
       136:7, 136:11,                                                               58:14, 126:3
                                 garbage [1] - 91:21      21:3, 21:7, 21:11,                                    headlights [1] -
       136:15, 137:21,                                                               greatly [1] - 6:12

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         88:19                     84:3
                                                                        I               33:12, 36:20, 37:12       110:10                  10
          healthy [1] - 31:11        homes [1] - 70:1                                    IN [1] - 1:3              individual [1] - 95:4
          hear [1] - 25:3            honest [1] - 95:10                                  inaccurate [1] - 6:1      individually [2] -
          heard [6] - 8:4, 27:1,     hope [2] - 70:20,        idea [4] - 108:5,          incentives [1] -         40:15, 108:14
         41:22, 87:19, 92:5,       92:1                      113:10, 124:11,            131:22                     Industrial [1] - 83:4
         92:16                       hopefully [1] - 19:19   149:20                      inch [3] - 73:15,         ineffective [1] - 4:19
          hearing [19] - 4:6,        hopes [1] - 147:3        ideas [4] - 56:21,        79:3, 82:8                 inexpensively [1] -
         4:10, 7:18, 8:19, 9:2,      horseshoe [7] - 48:9,   77:10, 145:4                inches [1] - 96:19       113:13
         10:5, 10:8, 10:14,        51:1, 53:21, 58:13,        identified [5] - 39:13,    incident [5] - 8:3,       inflation [16] - 19:7,
         13:17, 28:17, 42:3,       65:3, 81:6, 102:20        50:18, 58:6, 66:11,        37:14, 37:17, 38:6,       19:17, 19:18, 19:19,
         42:5, 42:21, 126:1,         horseshoe-shaped        82:19                      38:12                     19:21, 19:22, 20:2,
         126:4, 126:10,            [1] - 81:6                 identify [1] - 40:13       inclement [1] - 85:4     20:3, 20:5, 20:8,
         126:13, 127:22,             horseshoes [6] -         ILLINOIS [1] - 156:1       include [9] - 55:10,     21:14, 26:16, 27:22,
         132:20                    53:11, 62:21, 63:2,        Illinois [5] - 1:11,      57:13, 65:22, 66:7,       30:12, 123:21, 124:22
          hearings [1] - 69:16     64:2, 95:18, 95:19        1:14, 126:21, 127:10,      67:10, 67:13, 105:7,       influences [1] -
          heavily [1] - 62:8         Horseshoes [1] -        156:6                      123:4, 146:13             47:19
          heavy [1] - 52:16        67:1                       illustrate [1] - 132:22    included [10] - 12:5,     informal [4] - 48:7,
          heights [1] - 76:7         hour [2] - 96:19,        illustrates [2] - 55:7,   17:10, 40:22, 66:4,       53:10, 60:22, 65:22
          held [3] - 75:3,         125:22                    63:12                      66:7, 66:15, 67:7,         Information [1] -
         137:1, 155:4                hours [4] - 88:17,       illustration [3] -        67:22, 136:16, 150:8      2:17
          help [3] - 59:15,        148:19, 148:20,           49:10, 49:13, 52:7          includes [1] - 106:11     information [5] -
         60:3, 98:8                151:15                     illustrations [1] -        including [10] - 12:1,   74:21, 76:17, 132:16,
          helpful [2] - 69:18,       house [24] - 22:6,      52:3                       12:3, 12:15, 35:15,       146:12, 149:5
         106:20                    22:7, 22:9, 22:12,         immediate [1] -           41:1, 101:4, 101:22,       infrequent [1] -
          hence [1] - 26:11        22:14, 22:19, 23:10,      27:15                      130:2, 133:5, 148:12      60:22
          hereby [5] - 33:8,       23:12, 36:9, 69:14,        immediately [2] -          income [3] - 19:20,       inherent [1] - 105:15
         127:8, 127:10,            75:1, 80:12, 80:14,       80:14, 100:18              22:12, 36:10               inherited [1] - 133:2
         127:20, 156:6             80:15, 82:14, 85:13,       impact [13] - 20:9,        incorporate [2] -         initial [1] - 47:13
          hereinabove [1] -        88:16, 94:22, 95:8,       47:8, 57:15, 58:14,        77:9, 118:4                initiative [1] - 106:22
         156:11                    100:19, 102:18,           61:16, 63:3, 64:6,          incorporated [1] -        injuries [3] - 5:1, 5:2,
          Hi [1] - 99:16           108:7, 108:15, 131:19     64:14, 95:10, 96:3,        56:21                     5:5
          hidden [3] - 66:2,         houses [8] - 29:1,      101:12, 101:14,             incorrect [1] - 5:16      input [3] - 46:7, 58:2,
         101:9, 110:19             73:13, 78:13, 80:19,      105:17                      increase [37] - 6:12,    104:13
          hide [1] - 98:17         107:16, 108:13,            impacting [1] - 64:15     10:21, 11:8, 11:9,         inquire [1] - 122:22
          high [7] - 63:16,        108:14, 109:9              impacts [3] - 47:7,       13:14, 13:15, 14:7,        insert [1] - 49:14
         64:1, 64:9, 64:13,          howls [1] - 28:5        134:6                      15:11, 17:8, 17:12,        inside [2] - 64:10,
         70:14, 72:18, 103:7         HUEBNER [23] -           implementation [1] -      17:14, 19:16, 21:7,       90:14
          High [1] - 34:14         87:9, 87:16, 89:1,        68:9                       21:8, 21:9, 21:11,         insolvency [1] - 36:5
          higher [8] - 16:8,       89:8, 89:18, 89:20,        implying [1] - 150:22     21:12, 21:13, 24:9,        inspect [1] - 50:9
         26:2, 60:19, 72:17,       89:21, 90:1, 90:2,         important [4] - 4:16,     27:1, 27:4, 27:10,         install [1] - 5:4
         78:1, 98:11, 98:21,       90:4, 90:18, 90:22,       114:10, 117:3, 132:2       27:14, 28:7, 30:10,        installed [1] - 52:10
         113:3                     91:2, 91:3, 92:8,          impose [2] - 18:22,       30:11, 35:17, 121:22,      installment [3] -
          highly [1] - 31:3        92:11, 92:13, 92:15,      27:14                      122:1, 122:18,            11:13, 11:14, 23:21
          hillside [2] - 51:18,    92:16, 92:18, 93:1,        imposed [1] - 21:16       124:15, 126:3, 126:4,      instance [5] - 29:8,
         61:4                      93:12, 93:13               impossible [1] -          126:10, 129:16            29:20, 80:18, 107:1
          hip [1] - 72:20            Huebner [1] - 87:9      134:1                       increased [1] - 84:5      Instead [2] - 52:12,
          historically [1] -         huge [1] - 145:21        impractical [1] - 61:7     increases [1] - 19:6     126:15
         55:18                       Hummer [2] -             impression [1] - 8:16      increasing [1] -          instead [1] - 22:15
          Hitchcock [3] -          147:10, 147:15             improve [3] - 33:17,      19:12                      instinct [1] - 95:12
         87:20, 87:21, 87:22         hundred [11] - 18:3,    36:22, 90:20                incremental [1] -         intact [1] - 109:9
          hitting [1] - 91:20      23:11, 28:20, 36:8,        improvement [1] -         6:16                       intending [1] - 133:7
          hoard [1] - 133:9        122:10, 125:9,            12:14                       incrementally [1] -       intends [1] - 33:9
          hold [5] - 81:2,         129:20, 129:22,            improvements [12] -       112:11                     intensive [1] - 6:14
         91:12, 136:21,            136:1, 136:8, 136:16      12:7, 12:17, 13:10,         incur [1] - 15:1          intent [4] - 34:1,
         148:19, 151:14              hydrant [2] - 89:12,    23:1, 24:11, 24:18,         indebtedness [1] -       36:22, 42:5, 127:22
          holes [1] - 98:14        89:13                     26:8, 38:21, 99:18,        11:13                      interconnect [1] -
          holidays [1] - 44:1        hydrants [1] - 91:16    106:6, 109:7, 110:11        indent [1] - 59:21       66:6
          home [4] - 12:18,                                   Improving [1] -            Index [1] - 121:22        interest [16] - 13:11,
         12:19, 102:18, 103:12                               38:10                       indicate [1] - 31:21     14:18, 16:7, 22:20,
          homeowner [1] -                                     improving [4] - 7:22,      indicated [2] - 23:14,   23:7, 24:20, 24:21,

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       26:2, 27:7, 74:7,          137:6, 138:17, 139:8,      51:11, 51:15, 54:12,       8:8, 33:13, 33:18,         39:9, 39:15, 40:1,     11
       107:5, 129:8, 136:2,       141:8, 146:8               66:1, 82:15                33:19, 33:21, 36:20,       41:10, 41:18
       137:10, 137:17              JANIS [1] - 2:3            judgment [4] - 23:13,     37:1, 37:13, 38:11,         Lecren [1] - 32:3
        interested [3] -           Janis' [1] - 140:10       24:10, 119:4, 134:7        63:19, 80:22, 84:2,         Lee [2] - 82:1
       69:17, 74:9, 103:11         January [2] - 148:2        July [1] - 81:12          93:19, 96:2, 107:16,        left [6] - 12:11,
        interesting [3] -          JAROS [102] - 2:4,         jump [1] - 107:12         154:10                     51:21, 86:12, 93:11,
       9:22, 10:20, 96:18         3:7, 5:15, 5:21, 6:4,       June [5] - 24:2, 46:2,     Landscape [1] -           105:18, 137:19
        interpret [1] - 37:17     6:10, 7:12, 10:4, 10:8,    46:6, 77:14, 81:12         45:11                       legal [3] - 9:15, 27:3,
        Interpretive [3] -        13:6, 18:18, 26:19,         junk [1] - 73:19           landscaped [1] -          34:22
       66:6, 147:9, 147:15        26:22, 32:18, 33:1,         jurisdictional [2] -      82:4                        Legal [1] - 34:8
        interruption [1] -        35:12, 38:4, 38:13,        106:2, 106:7                landscaping [1] -          legally [2] - 142:11
       121:10                     38:19, 38:21, 39:2,         jurisdictions [1] -       52:15                       length [1] - 31:5
        inundated [1] - 98:9      40:21, 41:4, 41:15,        105:11                      large [7] - 11:22,         lengthy [1] - 29:12
        involve [1] - 79:15       42:4, 42:11, 57:3,          justify [1] - 37:7        57:15, 65:19, 65:20,        less [16] - 6:11, 6:17,
        involved [2] - 74:22,     57:7, 62:15, 62:19,                                   78:21, 102:18              15:19, 25:16, 26:7,
       85:7                       63:13, 63:21, 64:9,                  K                 larger [3] - 58:22,       61:16, 64:14, 112:9,
        isolated [1] - 82:19      65:2, 69:10, 77:19,                                   63:12, 153:12              122:17, 125:2, 125:9,
        issuance [7] - 10:11,     78:1, 79:9, 86:1,                                      largest [2] - 147:6,      126:22, 137:9,
       10:20, 11:5, 38:7,         103:20, 104:6,              KAREN [1] - 2:13          148:11                     137:10, 137:17,
       42:2, 43:17, 44:8          106:19, 107:11,             Karen [3] - 146:18,        last [25] - 5:11, 8:15,   151:11
        issue [26] - 4:10,        109:3, 109:18,             151:19, 153:2              11:11, 11:14, 18:2,         level [7] - 27:20,
       10:18, 11:1, 11:18,        111:16, 115:3, 115:7,       keep [6] - 17:11,         24:12, 39:11, 43:5,        87:4, 91:1, 98:22,
       13:7, 14:6, 14:10,         115:18, 115:21,            53:4, 53:9, 55:17,         73:19, 92:4, 99:11,        99:6, 134:5, 134:6
       17:16, 24:5, 24:6,         116:1, 117:5, 117:8,       62:21, 88:12               122:11, 124:21,             levels [2] - 66:16,
       24:8, 27:3, 28:11,         118:1, 118:7, 118:15,       keeping [2] - 26:15,      125:6, 128:13, 132:8,      76:7
       33:9, 35:7, 36:12,         119:15, 120:3,             51:3                       133:5, 133:10,              LEVINE [3] - 69:7,
       41:12, 57:22, 61:9,        120:21, 122:22,             kept [1] - 27:21          139:17, 142:1, 143:6,      69:12, 72:5
       64:4, 86:13, 112:14,       123:2, 123:8, 123:12,       key [1] - 18:20           143:17, 143:21,             Levine [1] - 69:7
       112:18, 114:9, 125:18      125:4, 128:6, 128:11,       kicking [1] - 9:4         144:16, 145:11              levy [34] - 11:1, 17:6,
        issued [4] - 29:11,       128:20, 129:22,             Kids [1] - 90:13           Last [4] - 43:7, 43:8,    27:16, 121:21, 122:2,
       35:13, 36:13, 112:2        130:19, 132:18,             kids [6] - 78:3, 96:10,   122:8, 148:5               122:8, 122:18,
        issues [11] - 11:13,      134:13, 135:6,             97:11, 98:15, 98:16,        late [1] - 101:5          122:20, 123:4, 123:9,
       47:5, 47:8, 47:9,          135:15, 138:7,             108:2                       lateness [1] - 125:22     123:22, 124:5, 125:7,
       47:10, 74:22, 76:20,       138:10, 138:15,             kind [19] - 10:9, 24:7,    latter [1] - 13:16        125:13, 125:15,
       87:7, 106:5, 106:17,       138:19, 139:3, 139:8,      35:10, 65:6, 74:16,         LAUREL [2] - 4:13,        127:1, 127:3, 127:19,
       125:21                     139:16, 139:21,            80:4, 88:13, 88:17,        6:7                        128:1, 133:6, 133:11,
        issuing [4] - 11:6,       140:13, 140:18,            88:22, 93:9, 98:4,          Laurel [1] - 4:14         136:19, 140:15,
       13:14, 21:16, 40:11        140:20, 141:14,            103:10, 103:13,             law [13] - 10:11,         141:12, 142:11,
        It'll [2] - 91:11, 99:5   141:19, 142:4,             104:16, 108:8, 114:3,      10:18, 18:21, 19:4,        142:22, 143:13,
        it'll [2] - 139:20,       142:18, 143:3,             114:5, 114:9, 125:19       20:9, 27:6, 27:11,         143:14, 143:16,
       145:1                      143:10, 144:9,              kinds [1] - 97:22         39:5, 41:11, 126:21,       143:18, 143:21,
        item [12] - 7:17, 17:2,   144:19, 145:18,             kiosk [1] - 51:19         127:5, 128:7, 128:15       153:10, 153:14
                                  146:6, 146:9, 152:9,        KIRK [2] - 100:13,         laws [1] - 76:16           liability [2] - 4:18,
       17:6, 30:8, 30:11,
       43:12, 44:21, 44:22,       152:15, 153:4, 153:6,      100:17                      lawyers [1] - 37:7        4:22
       66:10, 112:4, 121:16,      154:12, 154:17,             Kirk [1] - 100:17          lead [1] - 116:13          License [2] - 1:12,
       146:16                     155:10                      kite [1] - 65:22                                     156:15
                                                                                         leading [1] - 108:6
        items [7] - 22:2,          Jaros [11] - 3:6, 17:3,    knocking [1] - 91:20                                  life [1] - 28:19
                                                                                         learn [1] - 97:17
       22:3, 29:7, 67:22,         41:11, 42:10, 100:7,        knocks [2] - 124:8,                                   lifetime [2] - 12:22,
                                                                                         learned [1] - 82:15
                                  119:14, 120:14,            124:9
       81:14, 135:21, 153:3                                                              least [4] - 27:19,        13:9
                                  120:20, 134:12,             knowledge [1] -
        iterations [1] - 84:10                                                          72:20, 97:19, 105:17        lighting [4] - 88:22,
                                  152:14, 154:16             129:4
        itself [2] - 5:6, 51:5                                                           leave [8] - 30:15,        89:1, 89:5, 89:6
                                   JAY [1] - 69:7             known [3] - 12:14,
        ivy [4] - 83:8, 97:13,                                                          54:21, 55:4, 97:20,         lightly [1] - 105:21
                                   Jay [5] - 69:7, 73:16,    39:10, 105:12
       97:16, 103:11                                                                    100:11, 111:8, 118:3,       Lights [1] - 89:8
                                  74:11, 74:14, 95:9
                                                                                        118:5                       lights [2] - 89:10,
                                   Jay's [1] - 72:10
                  J                                                    L                 leaves [1] - 23:18        91:16
                                   Jim [2] - 96:14, 96:18
                                                                                         leaving [4] - 74:19,       likely [1] - 9:20
                                   Jim's [1] - 97:6
                                                                                        93:21, 98:5, 118:18         limit [1] - 19:16
         James [1] - 77:2          jogging [1] - 66:5         labored [1] - 118:17
                                                                                         LECREN [12] - 32:3,        limited [3] - 12:5,
         JAMES [1] - 72:9          Joseph [1] - 53:18         lacks [1] - 35:15
                                                                                        32:19, 33:2, 34:7,         19:5, 19:8
         Jan [6] - 135:15,         Joseph's [6] - 49:2,       land [18] - 7:21, 8:1,
                                                                                        34:12, 34:19, 39:1,         Lincoln [5] - 116:22,

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         147:7, 147:18, 148:3,       136:18, 139:1              maintain [4] - 7:3,        meadow [5] - 51:6,       109:14, 109:15,        12
         153:9                        looks [10] - 53:2,       25:20, 33:17, 103:9        54:21, 64:7, 66:9,        142:16, 151:1
          line [15] - 17:6, 29:8,    54:9, 88:9, 88:13,         maintained [1] - 70:4     110:7                      MIKE [1] - 77:4
         30:8, 30:10, 37:20,         91:9, 113:1, 137:9,        maintaining [3] -          mean [18] - 9:18,         Mike [3] - 13:3, 77:4,
         50:20, 72:14, 75:10,        153:13, 153:15            7:22, 12:2, 33:12          19:15, 39:21, 58:5,       140:3
         75:20, 92:21, 92:22,         loop [6] - 49:17,         maintenance [2] -         72:8, 74:6, 78:4, 82:1,    million [73] - 5:2,
         129:1, 135:21, 141:5,       51:8, 54:6, 54:7, 61:1    71:13, 100:10              93:12, 103:2, 115:4,      5:16, 5:19, 6:8, 6:17,
         141:7                        lose [2] - 81:13,         major [4] - 33:15,        115:20, 124:10,           7:1, 7:9, 7:19, 11:12,
          lines [3] - 57:16,         84:16                     39:12, 96:1, 109:21        126:9, 126:11,            11:15, 14:12, 14:14,
         140:21, 141:1                losing [1] - 129:19       majority [10] - 4:15,     133:16, 138:20, 139:9     14:22, 15:14, 15:17,
          link [2] - 66:10, 66:12     love [1] - 97:11         6:15, 11:21, 12:8,          meaning [1] - 20:5       15:19, 16:3, 16:4,
          liquidity [2] - 11:20,      loving [1] - 110:4       12:15, 22:1, 22:22,         means [6] - 11:1,        16:5, 16:6, 16:17,
         36:12                        low [5] - 13:12,         23:16, 67:21, 126:2        19:12, 73:22, 84:3,       23:22, 25:9, 25:12,
          list [7] - 111:4, 111:7,   24:20, 93:21, 94:1,        managed [1] - 30:13       125:8, 125:18             25:13, 25:15, 25:16,
         111:8, 111:11,              113:17                     management [1] -           meet [3] - 23:3,         25:20, 25:22, 26:3,
         111:14, 111:18, 121:6        lower [1] - 132:11       105:12                     47:16, 125:17             26:7, 26:10, 26:17,
          listed [1] - 139:1          Ltd [1] - 2:22            Manager [2] - 2:15,        meeting [22] - 3:2,      27:3, 27:9, 30:17,
          listen [1] - 32:13          Lyman [24] - 12:3,       2:16                       8:15, 32:9, 39:11,        33:11, 37:10, 40:11,
          listening [1] - 77:8       18:10, 18:11, 28:19,       mandatory [1] -           43:2, 43:11, 43:18,       40:12, 41:13, 60:12,
          lit [1] - 108:8            29:7, 39:10, 39:13,       123:5                      43:19, 46:3, 47:13,       60:13, 69:22, 70:1,
          literally [1] - 73:1       60:5, 60:11, 122:13,       maps [1] - 75:6           77:14, 121:11,            71:5, 74:20, 78:8,
          live [11] - 13:8, 69:8,    124:10, 124:11,            market [3] - 148:1,       121:14, 122:21,           78:10, 99:22, 100:5,
         72:10, 77:4, 78:19,         125:6, 125:7, 129:7,      148:19, 151:14             135:16, 145:2, 145:5,     102:4, 102:8, 108:12,
         80:10, 87:10, 94:21,        129:18, 129:20,            marketed [1] -            146:14, 153:8,            122:4, 122:5, 123:15,
         95:14, 96:7, 96:10          130:2, 130:5, 130:10,     124:14                     153:17, 155:15, 156:8     123:19, 124:20,
          lived [3] - 73:20,         136:1, 136:16, 147:9       MARLANE [2] -              Meeting [1] - 1:4        129:4, 129:8, 129:15,
         95:1, 95:11                                           156:4, 156:14               MEETING [1] - 1:6        129:17, 130:10,
                                                                                           Meetings [1] - 154:9     135:11, 136:15,
          lives [1] - 24:16                    M                Marlane [1] - 1:11
          living [5] - 107:16,                                  MARSHALL [2] -             meetings [5] - 10:15,    137:3, 137:20,
         107:18, 124:10,                                       156:4, 156:14              29:13, 31:6, 48:19,       142:12, 143:6, 143:7
                                      Madam [2] - 3:18,                                   148:18                     mind [4] - 8:21,
         144:1, 145:14                                          Marshall [1] - 1:12
                                     31:15                                                 meets [1] - 111:11       29:18, 30:19, 65:2
          local [1] - 9:20                                      massive [1] - 134:8
                                      MAHONEY [33] - 2:5,                                  member [2] - 108:19,      mine [2] - 107:6,
          located [1] - 52:22                                   master [34] - 45:2,
                                     3:9, 3:20, 28:14,                                    145:4                     145:20
          location [2] - 55:13,                                45:4, 45:5, 45:18,
                                     31:16, 40:2, 42:8,                                    members [4] - 10:6,       minimized [2] -
         115:8                                                 45:20, 46:8, 58:6,
                                     42:13, 114:1, 114:17,                                31:7, 45:15, 84:12        67:10, 141:2
          locations [1] - 151:2                                58:9, 65:15, 67:16,
                                     114:21, 117:7,                                                                  minority [1] - 17:19
          lock [1] - 148:8                                     67:18, 67:19, 68:2,         memo [5] - 32:5,
                                     119:17, 119:19,                                                                 minus [1] - 135:13
          log [2] - 87:1, 102:18                               68:4, 103:16, 104:2,       45:16, 104:1, 148:6,
                                     120:11, 120:19,                                                                 minutes [2] - 29:19,
          logical [1] - 16:1                                   105:2, 105:4, 105:22,      153:10
                                     128:18, 130:6, 130:9,                                                          121:9
          long-term [13] -                                     106:8, 112:10, 114:2,       Memorial [2] -
                                     130:18, 130:20,                                                                 Minutes [1] - 1:4
         12:10, 12:17, 13:8,                                   114:11, 114:12,            147:10, 147:15
                                     131:1, 131:5, 131:12,                                                           misreading [1] - 38:4
         14:10, 15:8, 16:14,                                   115:11, 115:13,             mention [2] - 54:13,
                                     132:4, 134:15, 140:7,                                                           Miss [15] - 3:8, 3:12,
         24:11, 24:13, 24:18,                                  115:14, 115:19,            58:16
                                     140:10, 140:14,                                                                42:12, 42:18, 119:10,
         25:2, 25:21, 28:19,                                   116:5, 116:9, 116:12,       mentioned [8] -
                                     140:19, 141:11,                                                                119:16, 120:6,
         59:8                                                  117:22, 119:19             18:21, 47:22, 54:13,
                                     152:19, 154:21                                                                 120:18, 121:4,
          look [14] - 10:3, 37:8,                               matching [1] - 141:9      67:15, 77:13, 77:15,
                                      Mahoney [9] - 3:8,                                                            134:14, 134:20,
         57:16, 59:8, 62:16,                                    material [5] - 76:14,     92:10, 148:12
                                     28:12, 42:12, 119:16,                                                          152:18, 152:20,
         104:11, 131:15,                                       83:3, 86:5, 126:14,         metal [1] - 52:21
                                     120:6, 120:18,                                                                 154:14, 154:20
         134:4, 135:18,                                        141:20                      methodology [1] -
                                     134:14, 152:18,                                                                 missed [1] - 148:21
         137:16, 138:1,                                         MATTER [1] - 1:3          60:7
                                     154:20                                                                          mistake [1] - 8:6
         140:21, 141:2, 145:22                                  matter [12] - 7:1, 7:2,    methods [1] - 30:20
                                      mail [2] - 32:5, 41:16                                                         mistakenly [1] - 9:1
          looked [3] - 58:10,                                  10:4, 23:13, 30:8,          MICHAEL [1] - 2:6
                                      mailbox [2] - 91:19,                                                           model [1] - 145:2
         106:5, 150:8                                          30:10, 32:2, 35:9,          middle [6] - 9:21,
                                     91:22                                                                           models [1] - 135:3
          looking [18] - 41:14,                                40:1, 98:10, 113:15,       38:13, 69:21, 85:9,
                                      Main [4] - 87:22,
         45:5, 53:3, 67:15,                                    125:9                      90:10, 137:13              moisture [1] - 85:14
                                     104:17, 104:18,
         69:4, 94:10, 99:21,                                    maximum [1] - 21:7         midwestern [1] - 5:3      Mommy [1] - 93:13
                                     104:21
         103:16, 106:1, 106:8,                                  McCollum [9] - 67:1,       might [14] - 16:2,        money [57] - 4:19,
                                      main [7] - 9:10, 49:1,
         106:16, 110:5,                                        70:5, 71:21, 72:6,         17:9, 37:18, 37:21,       5:8, 5:9, 12:20, 12:21,
                                     49:7, 53:19, 55:12,
         124:19, 125:18,                                       95:20, 95:22, 147:20,      63:11, 69:5, 92:7,        13:21, 14:1, 14:5,
                                     55:14, 60:21
         125:19, 135:17,                                       148:4, 148:12              93:2, 104:14, 106:19,     14:16, 14:17, 15:2,

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       15:4, 15:21, 18:4,      118:9, 118:13,            79:9, 80:9, 85:5, 85:6,   2:11, 2:13, 2:14, 2:16,   149:13, 149:17,        13
       21:17, 21:19, 24:16,    126:18, 146:14,           85:20, 85:21, 86:1,       2:18, 3:4, 3:6, 3:8,      149:21, 150:20,
       28:18, 32:15, 34:21,    150:17, 153:21            86:2, 86:10, 86:19,       3:9, 3:10, 3:12, 3:13,    151:4, 151:20, 152:4,
       35:11, 36:22, 37:8,      moved [6] - 56:21,       86:22, 89:2, 89:5,        3:20, 4:13, 5:19, 6:2,    152:12, 152:14,
       37:9, 37:16, 37:19,     82:8, 89:15, 115:19,      92:21, 94:19, 96:5,       6:7, 8:13, 17:2, 28:14,   152:16, 152:18,
       37:21, 38:1, 38:8,      120:7, 128:21             96:7, 99:16, 100:13,      30:6, 31:16, 31:19,       152:19, 152:20,
       38:17, 38:22, 40:13,     movement [1] -           100:17, 102:12,           39:17, 40:2, 42:8,        152:21, 153:1,
       40:19, 41:1, 41:2,      85:16                     102:15, 103:17,           42:10, 42:12, 42:13,      153:21, 154:3, 154:7,
       71:11, 72:7, 74:17,      moves [3] - 56:13,       103:20, 103:21,           42:14, 42:16, 42:18,      154:14, 154:15,
       79:16, 80:4, 103:13,    79:1, 115:11              104:6, 104:21, 105:4,     42:19, 42:22, 43:6,       154:16, 154:18,
       109:10, 112:21,          moving [6] - 30:22,      105:9, 106:19, 107:8,     43:8, 44:13, 60:15,       154:20, 154:21,
       124:8, 124:9, 124:12,   91:9, 94:15, 115:15,      107:11, 107:12,           61:8, 61:12, 61:15,       154:22
       124:13, 125:16,         117:13, 117:19            109:3, 109:13,            61:18, 61:21, 68:19,       mud [3] - 84:16,
       127:2, 127:11,           mow [2] - 93:20,         109:18, 111:16,           86:7, 86:15, 86:21,       91:2, 93:15
       127:16, 131:11,         96:14                     115:3, 115:7, 115:10,     87:9, 87:16, 89:1,         muddy [1] - 103:12
       132:6, 133:2, 141:22,    mowed [4] - 55:15,       115:18, 115:20,           89:8, 89:20, 90:1,         mulch [4] - 51:14,
       142:15, 144:16          56:12, 86:8, 86:9         115:21, 115:22,           90:4, 90:22, 91:3,        81:16, 82:4, 85:11
        monies [1] - 130:12     MR [280] - 2:2, 2:4,     116:1, 116:5, 117:3,      92:11, 92:15, 92:18,       multiple [2] - 36:19,
        month [2] - 11:11,     2:6, 2:9, 2:10, 2:17,     117:5, 117:8, 117:10,     93:1, 93:13, 94:21,       146:11
       25:10                   2:21, 3:7, 3:11, 4:1,     118:1, 118:2, 118:7,      95:21, 96:1, 96:6,         museum [2] - 147:8,
        monthly [1] - 36:11    5:15, 5:21, 6:4, 6:10,    118:8, 118:15, 119:9,     104:12, 104:22,           147:14
        months [7] - 6:13,     6:20, 7:12, 9:13, 10:3,   119:15, 120:3,            112:20, 114:1,             mushy [1] - 89:21
       18:3, 25:10, 151:17,    10:4, 10:8, 13:1, 13:5,   120:21, 121:3,            114:17, 114:21,            must [3] - 5:10, 28:7,
       152:6                   13:6, 13:20, 18:18,       121:16, 122:22,           116:3, 117:7, 118:10,     90:10
        morning [1] - 101:4    25:6, 26:19, 26:22,       123:2, 123:8, 123:12,     119:8, 119:10,
        mortgage [4] -                                   123:14, 123:18,           119:11, 119:12,
                               31:18, 32:3, 32:18,                                                                     N
       12:20, 22:11, 22:21,    32:19, 33:1, 33:2,        124:7, 125:4, 128:6,      119:14, 119:16,
       36:10                   34:7, 34:12, 34:19,       128:11, 128:20,           119:17, 119:19,
        Morton [1] - 52:10     35:12, 37:4, 38:4,        129:2, 129:7, 129:11,     120:6, 120:10,             naive [1] - 95:2
        mosquitoes [1] -       38:10, 38:13, 38:16,      129:14, 129:21,           120:11, 120:16,            Name [1] - 100:16
       70:11                   38:19, 38:20, 38:21,      129:22, 130:3,            120:18, 120:19,            name [8] - 4:13,
        mossy [1] - 85:14      39:1, 39:2, 39:9,         130:19, 132:2, 132:7,     120:20, 120:22,           32:3, 69:7, 72:12,
        Most [1] - 64:14       39:15, 40:1, 40:18,       132:11, 132:18,           121:2, 121:4, 121:5,      77:1, 77:4, 80:9, 98:3
        most [21] - 9:20,      40:21, 41:3, 41:4,        134:13, 134:19,           121:21, 123:7,             native [2] - 92:17,
       16:16, 16:18, 16:22,    41:10, 41:15, 41:18,      135:2, 135:4, 135:6,      123:11, 123:17,           92:19
       22:8, 22:10, 26:9,      42:4, 42:11, 42:17,       135:15, 137:6,            123:22, 128:5, 128:9,      natural [4] - 6:15,
       30:15, 62:2, 62:5,      43:4, 43:7, 43:9,         137:12, 137:20,           128:18, 129:6,            47:19, 53:4, 82:3
       62:6, 67:22, 69:18,     44:16, 44:21, 45:14,      138:7, 138:10,            129:10, 129:13,            naturally [3] - 51:4,
       71:18, 73:18, 81:8,     46:19, 55:1, 55:7,        138:15, 138:19,           129:19, 130:6, 130:9,     52:18, 82:4
       92:17, 95:10, 101:12,   55:12, 55:18, 56:2,       139:3, 139:8, 139:16,     130:18, 130:20,            nature [6] - 18:20,
       107:5, 113:9            56:7, 56:11, 56:17,       139:21, 140:5,            130:22, 131:1, 131:4,     79:19, 80:5, 83:9,
        Motion [4] - 42:20,    56:18, 57:3, 57:6,        140:13, 140:18,           131:5, 131:7, 131:12,     95:6, 98:3
       119:18, 121:8, 152:22   57:7, 57:9, 58:5, 59:7,   140:20, 141:14,           131:17, 132:4, 132:5,      Nay [7] - 119:13,
        motion [15] - 42:3,    59:12, 59:20, 60:1,       141:19, 141:20,           132:9, 132:12,            119:15, 119:17,
       44:10, 103:18, 118:8,   60:2, 60:6, 60:7,         142:4, 142:8, 142:18,     132:16, 134:12,           121:3, 121:7, 134:19,
       118:12, 119:2, 120:2,   60:10, 60:12, 60:14,      143:3, 143:5, 143:10,     134:14, 134:15,           134:21
       120:7, 128:6, 128:8,    60:18, 61:11, 61:13,      144:5, 144:9, 144:15,     134:16, 134:18,            necessarily [2] -
       130:6, 132:19,          61:16, 61:20, 62:5,       144:19, 145:1, 145:8,     134:20, 134:21,           18:8, 108:5
       150:12, 150:13, 152:1   62:15, 62:18, 62:19,      145:13, 145:18,           135:8, 135:18,             necessary [3] -
                               63:1, 63:13, 63:18,       146:4, 146:6, 146:7,      137:11, 137:15,           105:8, 127:5, 127:12
        mound [2] - 52:13
                               63:21, 64:3, 64:9,        146:9, 146:12,            137:22, 138:9,             need [16] - 11:8,
        movable [1] - 61:6
                               64:13, 65:2, 65:5,        146:16, 149:12,           138:14, 138:18,           24:5, 28:6, 30:21,
        Move [2] - 150:15,
                               65:12, 65:14, 68:17,      149:22, 150:4,            138:22, 139:6,            34:21, 110:4, 111:9,
       155:9
                               69:7, 69:10, 69:12,       150:11, 150:14,           139:12, 139:19,           113:2, 125:17, 134:7,
        move [22] - 7:11,
                               72:5, 72:9, 72:13,        150:15, 151:22,           140:1, 140:7, 140:10,     142:1, 142:5, 144:19,
       24:14, 42:4, 52:2,
                               77:2, 77:4, 77:19,        152:9, 152:13,            140:14, 140:15,           145:10, 150:13
       61:19, 76:11, 89:13,
                               77:22, 78:1, 78:2,        152:15, 153:2, 153:4,     140:19, 141:11,            needed [6] - 8:22,
       92:2, 114:4, 114:5,
                               78:8, 78:10, 78:11,       153:6, 154:12,            141:12, 141:16,           17:9, 40:13, 44:10,
       114:15, 115:9,
                               78:12, 78:13, 78:15,      154:17, 155:1, 155:9,     143:1, 144:17,            49:14, 145:15
       115:17, 116:11,
                               78:18, 78:19, 79:3,       155:10                    145:15, 146:1,             needs [5] - 47:16,
       116:19, 116:20,
                                                          MS [182] - 2:3, 2:5,     146:11, 146:20,

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         94:14, 102:22,             52:19, 54:6, 55:13,       135:22, 136:3, 136:6,      156:1, 156:2              114:16                  14
         112:18, 113:8              70:18, 70:21, 71:17,      136:18, 137:21,             offer [2] - 31:6,         operating [3] - 19:7,
          negotiate [1] - 150:5     84:21, 92:11, 93:9,       138:3, 139:6, 139:20,      108:20                    36:3, 38:9
          negotiated [1] -          95:5, 95:8, 95:16,        140:2, 140:12, 141:8,       offered [1] - 67:1        operations [1] -
         150:5                      97:3, 97:20, 145:8        142:12, 143:19,             offering [1] - 67:2      133:7
          negotiating [2] -          night [4] - 89:10,       145:2, 149:4                office [4] - 116:21,      opinion [7] - 17:19,
         150:2, 150:4               108:8, 108:10, 145:12      numbers [9] - 18:9,       147:8, 147:18, 148:3      31:8, 58:13, 79:11,
          negotiations [3] -         nobody [1] - 26:14       30:1, 30:13, 139:1,         old [7] - 59:19,         104:12, 110:8, 117:20
         149:19, 150:18, 152:2       noise [6] - 95:7,        141:10, 141:21,            59:20, 62:10, 73:6,        opinions [1] - 31:11
          neighbor [1] - 72:10      100:22, 101:4, 101:5,     145:16, 146:9, 153:17      92:6, 113:12, 153:4        opportunities [6] -
          neighbor's [3] -          102:3                                                 once [3] - 90:7,         50:14, 66:4, 66:8,
         73:11, 87:2, 88:13          non [1] - 92:17                    O                97:17, 124:17             68:8, 104:4, 105:19
          neighborhood [11] -        non-native [1] -                                     Once [2] - 51:19,         opportunity [6] - 4:3,
         58:1, 58:8, 62:14,         92:17                                                115:10                    4:9, 8:5, 41:22,
                                                               o'clock [1] - 1:7
         65:16, 66:18, 66:21,        nondebt [1] - 143:18                                 One [11] - 17:2,         148:21, 151:9
                                                               Oaks [13] - 45:1,
         69:21, 77:9, 95:3,          none [2] - 31:16,                                   49:11, 52:5, 59:9,         opposed [3] - 11:6,
                                                              45:17, 45:21, 45:22,
         100:20, 100:21             31:21                                                81:15, 83:13, 86:15,      49:19, 110:11
                                                              48:22, 49:7, 53:3,
          neighbors [1] - 77:8       nonissue [1] -                                      94:9, 99:21, 103:20,       opposite [2] - 50:12,
                                                              68:4, 77:5, 80:10,
          net [2] - 13:13, 136:3    125:11                                               135:5                     50:16
                                                              80:13, 108:4, 110:6
          never [5] - 9:13,          nonreferendum [3] -                                  one [66] - 8:13, 9:6,     option [2] - 124:7,
                                                               objecting [1] -
         33:3, 70:8, 74:6,          43:14, 44:11, 107:1                                  9:20, 10:8, 10:14,        125:3
                                                              107:18
         131:18                      nontax [2] - 36:2,                                  12:6, 12:21, 14:4,         options [3] - 15:9,
                                                               objection [1] - 69:18
          New [5] - 35:12,          144:11                                               14:14, 17:3, 17:18,       122:2, 124:6
                                                               objectives [2] -
         146:17, 146:21,             normal [2] - 26:11,                                 17:22, 25:10, 25:18,       oral [3] - 8:5, 31:22,
                                                              47:13, 125:17
         150:1, 150:16              111:19                                               27:1, 29:9, 30:6, 32:4,   42:1
                                                               objects [1] - 36:18
          new [44] - 10:12,          normally [1] - 131:1                                39:10, 41:4, 41:10,        order [6] - 3:3, 6:11,
                                                               obligation [15] -         42:22, 48:2, 49:6,
         10:22, 11:5, 16:5,          north [5] - 48:22,                                                            6:22, 11:19, 55:1,
                                                              7:20, 8:18, 10:10,         50:22, 52:2, 52:20,
         16:6, 19:8, 19:9,          53:15, 62:17, 63:3,                                                            121:15
                                                              11:7, 17:5, 18:15,         53:7, 53:12, 53:14,
         20:17, 21:2, 21:5,         75:19                                                                           ordinance [1] - 8:8
                                                              21:3, 21:8, 21:11,         54:4, 57:22, 58:19,
         21:14, 27:1, 27:6,          North [5] - 34:14,                                                             ordinary [1] - 38:9
                                                              27:4, 35:8, 35:17,         61:22, 62:15, 64:21,
         27:10, 28:2, 28:3,         45:1, 45:17, 45:21,                                                             original [1] - 56:22
                                                              35:19, 41:13, 42:6         69:10, 69:18, 70:13,
         28:11, 30:1, 30:12,        68:4                                                                            OSLAD [2] - 58:11,
                                                               obligations [1] - 14:9    71:3, 84:12, 86:11,
         34:2, 36:4, 65:2,           northwest [3] -                                                               58:14
                                                               observation [1] -         90:9, 90:11, 92:6,
         71:17, 92:9, 95:8,         66:10, 66:12, 108:1                                                             otherwise [2] - 97:6,
                                                              62:7                       96:17, 101:11,
         122:1, 122:4, 124:2,        Norwegian [1] -                                                               125:10
         124:22, 126:8,                                        observed [1] - 82:11      101:14, 102:12,
                                    70:19                                                                           ought [6] - 15:5,
         130:16, 131:10,                                       obstruction [2] -         106:12, 107:14,
                                     Notary [3] - 1:12,                                                            16:11, 25:21, 27:8,
         131:18, 133:21,                                      86:19, 87:1                109:20, 110:15,
                                    156:5, 156:14                                                                  27:9, 136:22
         135:14, 136:19,                                       obtrusive [1] - 112:9     113:1, 116:4, 121:22,
                                     note [3] - 8:9, 149:5,                                                         outlays [2] - 12:9,
         138:3, 138:5, 138:12,                                 obvious [1] - 56:5        131:7, 131:8, 135:20,
                                    152:5                                                                          23:18
         139:13, 139:16,                                       Obviously [3] - 37:5,     136:18, 136:20,
                                     nothing [9] - 29:3,                                                            outlined [1] - 40:3
         146:18, 153:20                                       37:6, 57:21                137:1, 138:18,
                                    70:9, 70:17, 71:10,                                                             overall [3] - 112:10,
          news [1] - 146:18                                    obviously [2] -           139:10, 149:7, 149:10
                                    73:17, 74:4, 96:20,                                                            112:20, 113:8
          newspaper [3] -                                     59:13, 76:10                one-year [2] - 149:7,
                                    130:14, 151:16                                                                  overgrown [2] -
         8:20, 8:22, 9:15                                      occasions [1] -           149:10
                                     notice [6] - 9:16,                                                            97:13, 110:3
          newspapers [1] -                                    67:21                       ones [4] - 39:1, 39:2,
                                    33:7, 33:8, 38:5,                                                               overgrows [1] -
         9:11                                                  occupancy [1] -           83:15, 150:21
                                    67:20, 127:21                                                                  71:16
          Next [1] - 80:8                                     131:20                      ongoing [1] - 12:3
                                     notices [1] - 9:10                                                             overlook [4] - 48:12,
          next [25] - 7:17,                                    occur [3] - 57:13,         open [19] - 8:11,
                                     nouns [1] - 36:18                                                             51:15, 53:13, 67:4
         11:10, 14:21, 16:14,                                 58:7, 63:8                 25:7, 30:15, 48:6,
                                     November [6] - 1:6,                                                            overlooks [2] -
         26:12, 37:22, 43:11,                                  occurring [1] - 60:11     48:17, 50:13, 51:6,
                                    3:1, 43:10, 43:18,                                                             50:13, 51:15
         44:3, 44:5, 44:14,                                    occurs [3] - 51:3,        51:21, 53:8, 65:20,
                                    44:17, 121:13                                                                   overly [1] - 96:11
         44:21, 44:22, 52:2,                                  63:6, 65:9                 68:21, 73:18, 78:16,
                                     nowhere [1] - 5:17                                                             overpass [1] - 87:18
         68:16, 88:14, 99:2,                                   October [9] - 32:8,       84:7, 86:12, 89:10,
                                     noxious [1] - 83:6                                                             overspend [1] -
         99:6, 102:20, 113:4,                                 45:16, 72:15, 81:20,       101:13, 102:6, 115:20
                                     number [28] - 8:15,                                                           25:18
         117:19, 117:21,                                      148:21, 151:10,             Open [2] - 65:18,
                                    67:12, 116:15, 123:8,                                                           own [11] - 7:12,
         129:11, 141:4, 143:8,                                153:9, 153:17              154:9
                                    125:1, 126:6, 126:17,                                                          10:22, 21:12, 23:4,
         146:16                                                odd [1] - 58:19            open-ended [1] -
                                    128:10, 128:19,                                                                35:8, 62:7, 90:17,
          Nice [1] - 46:19                                     OF [9] - 1:1, 1:2, 1:3,   25:7
                                    128:20, 130:20,                                                                100:17, 106:22,
          nice [18] - 9:9, 50:12,                             1:6, 1:8, 1:9, 2:1,         operate [2] - 22:10,
                                    132:3, 135:13,                                                                 108:10, 153:10

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        owner [4] - 19:11,        67:2, 67:6, 70:4, 70:5,    90:18, 90:20, 91:1,        per [1] - 107:14         84:20, 97:3, 97:22 15
       19:12, 19:15, 20:10        80:13, 83:4, 99:18,        98:19, 98:20               percent [1] - 23:11       piece [3] - 59:19,
        owners [5] - 20:15,       100:6, 103:2, 110:6,        paths [3] - 73:1,         perfect [2] - 19:17,     85:22, 113:12
       20:21, 101:3, 101:22,      121:14, 127:8, 127:9,      98:6, 113:11              19:19                      pieces [1] - 112:8
       126:7                      127:10, 127:14,             pathway [1] - 73:1        perfectly [1] - 44:14     pines [1] - 70:19
                                  127:19, 127:21,             paved [1] - 52:7          perform [1] - 47:4        pipe [1] - 81:6
                 P                127:22, 147:19,             paving [2] - 52:8,        pergola [2] - 67:4,       pit [2] - 91:2, 102:20
                                  147:20, 148:5, 148:13      52:11                     84:18                      pits [1] - 65:3
                                   Parking [1] - 49:18        pay [33] - 10:13,         Perhaps [1] - 83:10       place [10] - 9:19,
        P.M [1] - 1:7              parking [22] - 48:13,     11:1, 11:2, 11:5,          perhaps [2] - 34:13,     43:11, 44:3, 71:15,
        packet [2] - 45:15,       49:13, 49:14, 50:3,        12:19, 12:21, 13:9,       116:14                    74:15, 82:7, 93:4,
       146:13                     50:5, 52:7, 53:16,         14:22, 17:7, 21:1,         perimeter [1] - 51:13    116:21, 136:15,
        page [1] - 137:13         63:14, 67:10, 69:20,       21:3, 21:17, 21:19,        period [9] - 14:14,      156:11
        pages [1] - 146:11        84:14, 85:3, 87:12,        22:19, 23:11, 24:9,       14:19, 24:13, 75:15,       placed [2] - 10:1,
        paid [17] - 12:21,        89:3, 91:14, 94:4,         24:14, 26:6, 26:12,                                 55:11
                                                                                       80:16, 148:2, 149:6,
       15:5, 27:20, 32:16,        104:16, 107:13,            26:17, 27:6, 28:18,       150:22, 151:1              plan [49] - 40:11,
       32:21, 39:16, 124:13,      107:14, 108:6, 108:9       29:6, 35:3, 35:5,          permanent [2] -          45:2, 45:4, 45:5, 45:6,
       124:17, 125:5, 125:6,       parks [12] - 7:21,        37:16, 37:19, 38:9,       67:7, 124:15              45:18, 45:20, 46:9,
       129:7, 129:17,             62:5, 62:14, 70:7,         112:2, 129:17,             permeable [1] -          55:17, 58:6, 58:9,
       133:13, 137:18,            71:8, 72:4, 95:18,         138:10, 142:5, 143:8      67:13                     65:15, 67:16, 67:18,
       141:4, 143:7               95:19, 96:1, 109:21,        payday [1] - 37:22                                 67:19, 68:3, 68:4,
                                                                                        permit [2] - 75:2
        pain [1] - 103:8          110:16                      paying [11] - 11:12,                               77:16, 85:21, 86:10,
                                                                                        person [1] - 135:5
        paper [2] - 33:7,          Parks [4] - 2:10,         14:19, 24:17, 28:22,                                103:16, 104:2, 105:3,
                                                                                        personal [3] - 62:4,
       146:8                      70:3, 147:10, 147:16       32:18, 32:19, 37:12,                                105:5, 105:22, 106:8,
                                                                                       62:7, 104:12
        paperwork [1] -            part [21] - 18:9, 26:9,   38:7, 38:12, 38:21,                                 107:9, 107:17,
                                                                                        personally [3] - 74:6,
       131:13                     33:16, 65:19, 73:18,       125:12                                              112:10, 112:12,
                                                                                       74:17, 85:7
        parallelism [1] -         80:18, 90:6, 96:18,         payment [10] - 7:21,                               114:3, 114:4, 114:11,
                                                                                        personnel [2] - 81:5,
       36:21                      97:1, 103:7, 103:8,        8:2, 8:8, 11:16, 22:11,                             114:12, 115:11,
                                                                                       154:10
        parcel [2] - 80:22,       105:18, 112:10,            33:14, 37:14, 38:6,                                 115:13, 115:14,
                                                                                        persons [2] - 8:4,
       84:2                       112:12, 113:8,             39:8, 122:11                                        115:19, 115:20,
                                                                                       41:21
        pardon [1] - 126:5        120:13, 128:13,             payments [5] - 17:9,                               116:5, 116:7, 116:10,
                                                                                        perspective [1] -
        park [73] - 4:16, 5:10,   137:4, 139:5, 151:22       23:17, 36:11, 39:20,                                116:13, 116:22,
                                                                                       40:17
       7:17, 7:20, 8:2, 11:20,     particular [8] - 4:10,    136:12                                              117:22, 118:9,
                                                                                        petition [1] - 10:19
       15:12, 15:16, 20:2,        19:16, 45:8, 52:19,         payroll [1] - 37:19                                118:11, 119:20
                                                                                        petitions [2] - 8:17,
       20:4, 22:22, 37:15,        69:1, 84:2, 114:12,         PEARCH [1] - 2:17                                   plane [1] - 51:2
                                                                                       44:5
       38:21, 42:5, 42:7,         117:15                      pedestrians [2] -                                   planner [1] - 46:15
                                                                                        phase [2] - 55:3,
       46:2, 47:17, 48:12,         Particularly [1] -        54:6, 55:21                                          planning [5] - 111:2,
                                                                                       106:3
       49:1, 49:7, 51:5,          95:9                        peel [1] - 54:5                                    111:10, 112:13,
                                                                                        phases [3] - 48:1,
       56:22, 58:8, 58:12,         parties [1] - 93:4         pending [3] - 68:6,                                116:14, 117:17
                                                                                       112:8, 113:10
       60:22, 65:16, 65:17,        parts [4] - 76:8,         104:2, 132:19                                        plans [5] - 45:7,
                                                                                        philosophically [1] -
       66:13, 66:18, 67:7,        110:1, 110:2, 110:3         people [47] - 5:11,                                54:14, 69:3, 77:11,
                                                                                       24:19
       69:5, 72:3, 74:8, 74:9,     party [1] - 82:19         6:21, 7:10, 9:7, 13:8,                              116:17
       78:14, 78:17, 79:7,                                                              philosophy [2] -
                                   pass [3] - 50:6,          18:6, 20:13, 20:16,                                  planting [1] - 71:17
       79:15, 79:18, 79:20,                                                            30:22, 79:20
                                  108:21, 109:14             20:17, 22:8, 24:13,                                  plants [3] - 92:9,
       80:5, 81:5, 81:9, 83:9,                                                          photograph [2] -
                                   passed [2] - 14:1,        27:14, 56:3, 56:14,                                 92:14, 92:19
       83:14, 83:15, 84:12,                                                            52:8, 70:8
                                  40:20                      62:3, 73:9, 74:9,                                    plateau [3] - 54:1,
       84:15, 84:20, 85:1,                                                              photographer [1] -
                                   passes [3] - 49:17,       74:10, 74:13, 79:18,                                55:3, 57:18
       87:11, 88:2, 88:6,                                                              70:6
                                  49:22, 53:19               79:20, 80:2, 80:3,                                   play [7] - 71:8, 94:7,
       88:18, 89:7, 90:6,                                                               photographs [1] -
                                   passive [2] - 46:4,       80:7, 84:15, 84:22,                                 96:10, 97:1, 97:11,
       93:2, 93:5, 96:22,                                                              71:10
                                  105:20                     87:21, 88:10, 91:20,                                97:15, 107:19
       97:2, 101:6, 101:13,                                                             phrase [1] - 38:6
                                   past [8] - 23:5,          96:22, 100:21, 101:8,                                played [2] - 58:18,
       102:5, 103:1, 103:9,                                                             pick [3] - 43:15,
                                  27:16, 31:6, 47:15,        101:12, 101:14,                                     58:20
       107:17, 108:16,                                                                 54:16, 99:8
                                  55:19, 88:21, 144:1,       102:1, 102:5, 109:1,                                 Playground [1] -
       110:21, 114:13,                                                                  pick-up [1] - 54:16
                                  144:2                      109:5, 109:11,                                      66:15
       114:20, 118:19,                                                                  picks [1] - 51:9
                                   path [21] - 51:14,        109:20, 110:14,                                      playground [11] -
       131:11, 146:21                                                                   picnic [2] - 50:14,
                                  54:5, 54:10, 56:13,        110:22, 111:22,                                     50:2, 50:7, 50:12,
        PARK [5] - 1:2, 1:6,                                                           59:4
                                  61:9, 61:14, 70:13,        118:20, 119:1,                                      53:10, 53:20, 63:4,
       1:9, 2:1, 2:8                                                                    picnics [1] - 103:5
                                  70:16, 77:13, 77:17,       142:13, 143:15                                      63:14, 64:12, 97:10,
        Park [31] - 3:2, 5:2,                                                           picture [1] - 134:5
                                  77:19, 79:1, 85:11,         People [1] - 126:13                                104:18
       5:6, 12:4, 12:7, 32:21,                                                          pictures [7] - 70:6,
                                  86:5, 86:8, 89:19,          peoples' [1] - 124:17                               playgrounds [1] -
       39:13, 39:14, 41:15,                                                            71:21, 72:1, 84:17,

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         48:8                       57:1                         PRESIDENT [122] -        Pretty [1] - 93:5        99:21, 100:14,         16
          playing [2] - 6:18,         possibility [3] - 16:1,   3:1, 3:5, 3:14, 3:18,     prevalent [2] - 83:8,    101:10, 102:10,
         98:13                      55:2, 58:10                 3:21, 4:2, 7:15, 9:12,   83:10                     112:1, 112:3, 112:15,
          pleasant [1] - 67:5         possible [9] - 9:9,       9:18, 10:7, 13:3,         prevent [1] - 84:5       112:21, 114:5,
          Pledge [2] - 3:15,        16:11, 16:12, 16:13,        13:19, 26:21, 28:12,      preventing [1] -         116:16, 117:3, 117:4,
         3:16                       16:14, 59:14, 105:18,       30:5, 31:4, 31:17,       83:17                     117:16, 120:13
          pledged [1] - 110:15      110:16, 133:9               31:20, 34:5, 34:8,        previous [8] - 30:1,      projections [1] -
          plenty [2] - 23:20,         possibly [1] - 18:10      34:17, 39:11, 40:9,      43:16, 48:16, 48:19,      138:17
         103:3                        possums [2] - 74:3,       41:7, 41:19, 42:9,       49:11, 53:7, 67:11,        projects [16] - 12:1,
          plug [1] - 123:8          98:2                        42:15, 42:20, 44:19,     86:11                     13:9, 36:14, 36:15,
          Plus [1] - 100:9            potential [5] - 5:5,      54:20, 55:5, 55:9,        Previously [1] -         39:5, 39:8, 39:9,
          plus [18] - 16:5, 18:3,   66:12, 68:7, 104:3,         55:14, 56:1, 56:4,       29:10                     39:12, 40:2, 40:11,
         30:12, 36:2, 61:16,        111:8                       56:9, 56:15, 56:19,       previously [7] - 46:3,   55:19, 111:9, 111:15,
         100:5, 108:12,               potentially [5] -         58:2, 59:3, 59:9,        50:18, 53:12, 53:17,      111:20, 112:22, 121:6
         110:13, 122:3,             17:20, 18:12, 108:7,        59:18, 59:22, 65:11,     58:8, 79:12, 81:2          prolong [1] - 140:8
         123:10, 124:2, 138:3,      112:11, 113:18              65:13, 68:12, 68:21,      price [1] - 151:14        propensity [1] -
         139:12, 139:13,              powder [1] - 52:21        71:20, 72:12, 76:22,      Price [1] - 121:22       15:22
         139:16, 142:21, 150:6        powder-coated [1] -       77:3, 78:20, 80:8,        primarily [1] - 60:20     properly [1] - 70:3
          podium [1] - 102:14       52:21                       87:15, 88:20, 94:8,       primary [1] - 65:16       properties [3] - 18:4,
          point [36] - 7:7, 7:10,     power [4] - 27:3,         94:20, 95:20, 95:22,      principal [6] - 27:7,    49:16, 85:17
         13:1, 13:4, 13:19,         28:9, 28:11, 71:13          99:15, 100:12,           33:10, 129:8, 136:2,       property [26] - 19:11,
         17:3, 17:16, 25:2,           practice [1] - 30:15      100:16, 102:11,          137:9, 137:17             19:12, 19:14, 19:15,
         29:17, 30:21, 35:2,          Prairie [1] - 99:17       102:14, 103:15,           principle [1] - 7:13     20:4, 20:10, 20:11,
         35:18, 37:21, 38:16,         prairie [1] - 66:9        103:18, 111:1, 112:6,     print [2] - 146:4,       20:15, 20:17, 20:18,
         44:6, 44:10, 44:11,          prayer [1] - 109:16       113:16, 114:14,          146:6                     20:21, 28:22, 80:11,
         54:8, 81:14, 82:13,          precise [1] - 136:9       114:19, 115:6, 115:9,                              83:17, 83:19, 84:1,
                                                                                          priority [2] - 111:14,
         83:13, 92:6, 102:9,                                    117:2, 117:11,                                     100:17, 101:2,
                                      precluding [1] -                                   113:3
         116:9, 117:20,                                         118:12, 119:6,                                     101:22, 118:21,
                                    151:17                                                problem [2] - 131:17,
         118:17, 119:3,                                         119:13, 119:18,                                    126:7, 127:6, 127:14,
                                      prefer [2] - 43:14,                                142:8
         124:14, 126:5, 131:8,                                  120:4, 120:9, 120:14,                              131:9, 131:22, 141:3
                                    64:5                                                  problems [3] - 92:7,
         132:22, 133:14,                                        120:17, 121:1, 121:8,                               proportionately [1] -
                                      preference [1] - 14:9                              104:14, 105:14
         135:15, 143:5, 151:8                                   121:13, 123:1,                                     15:7
                                      preferred [2] - 31:3,                               procedure [1] -
          Point [2] - 69:10,                                    123:13, 130:8,                                      proposal [4] - 7:19,
                                    86:11                                                104:9
         135:16                                                 130:17, 132:13,                                    126:12, 139:16,
                                      preliminary [4] -                                   proceed [7] - 29:8,
          pointed [5] - 66:18,                                  134:10, 134:17,                                    150:16
                                    46:11, 68:9, 69:2,                                   40:8, 44:11, 47:11,
         81:2, 104:7, 110:3,                                    134:22, 135:5, 140:3,                               proposals [1] - 122:1
                                    104:5                                                111:13, 113:21,
         144:10                                                 140:9, 144:21, 145:3,                               propose [2] - 126:4,
                                      premanufactured [1]                                132:21
          points [1] - 84:8                                     145:11, 146:15,                                    126:7
                                    - 52:20                                               proceeding [1] -
          poison [4] - 83:7,                                    149:9, 149:15,                                      proposed [4] - 42:2,
                                      premise [1] - 4:18                                 118:16
         97:13, 97:16, 103:11                                   149:18, 150:2, 150:7,                              98:20, 105:14, 150:16
                                      prepare [4] - 46:8,                                 PROCEEDINGS [1] -
                                                                150:12, 151:16,                                     proposes [1] - 126:2
          policy [2] - 30:7,        68:8, 104:5, 146:12                                  1:8
                                                                152:8, 152:10,                                      proposing [2] -
         30:9                         prepared [2] -                                      proceedings [5] -
                                                                152:17, 152:22,                                    54:20, 126:9
          polishing [1] - 49:3      100:15, 101:16                                       155:4, 155:6, 155:15,
                                                                153:5, 153:19, 154:1,
          pool [6] - 51:16,           preposition [1] -                                  156:7, 156:10              pros [2] - 18:14,
                                                                154:4, 154:13,
         59:16, 75:2, 75:16,        36:18                                                 proceeds [3] - 36:13,    30:20
                                                                154:19, 155:2, 155:7,
         109:15, 114:20               present [1] - 41:22                                38:8, 40:22                protect [2] - 33:17,
                                                                155:11, 155:13
          porous [2] - 52:8,          PRESENT [3] - 2:1,                                  process [14] - 32:18,    92:19
                                                                 President [14] - 2:2,
         52:11                      2:8, 2:20                                            45:21, 46:22, 47:1,        protected [3] - 90:3,
                                                                2:3, 10:4, 13:18,
          portion [6] - 31:9,         presentation [5] -                                 47:9, 47:14, 67:19,       90:4, 90:5
                                                                21:22, 25:5, 26:20,
         49:7, 49:9, 124:1,         45:10, 46:6, 46:10,                                  111:2, 111:10,             Protected [1] - 92:16
                                                                42:4, 79:9, 104:6,
         124:4, 127:3               46:15, 46:16                                         111:21, 112:13,            protecting [4] - 8:1,
                                                                111:16, 122:22,
          portions [1] - 53:15        presented [2] - 46:1,                              113:7, 117:13, 117:17     33:12, 37:13, 38:10
                                                                125:4, 153:4
          pose [1] - 84:16          46:3                                                  program [7] - 12:2,       protective [1] - 50:4
                                                                 president's [1] -
          posed [1] - 124:8           preserve [3] - 11:19,                              46:4, 48:5, 49:11,         protesters [1] - 28:6
                                                                116:13
          position [6] - 10:15,     26:3, 59:13                                          50:18, 66:6, 68:1          provide [20] - 41:5,
                                                                 pretty [14] - 24:21,
         11:6, 28:15, 36:6,           preserved [2] - 53:9,                               prohibitive [1] - 5:5    41:6, 47:16, 48:7,
                                                                51:20, 69:15, 77:15,
         36:12, 110:12              66:3                                                  Project [1] - 2:16       48:13, 51:7, 53:9,
                                                                83:10, 84:8, 90:5,
          positive [3] - 13:13,       preserving [1] - 48:6                               project [22] - 39:4,     53:10, 53:11, 53:13,
                                                                93:18, 96:12, 96:13,
         29:3, 69:18                  president [3] - 18:19,                             40:15, 45:8, 47:2,        53:14, 66:4, 75:15,
                                                                97:18, 99:9, 105:20,
          possibilities [1] -       23:14, 36:17                                         47:3, 60:13, 71:4,        75:18, 76:12, 103:10,
                                                                110:7

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       105:19, 147:2, 148:1,
                                           Q                  Raymond [1] - 93:1          red [1] - 83:8             remove [1] - 55:22 17
       148:11                                                 RE [1] - 1:3                reduce [2] - 136:10,       removed [1] - 76:7
        provided [3] - 34:11,                                 read [5] - 8:9, 9:7,       136:11                      renditions [1] -
       49:17, 50:22               qualified [2] - 1:13,     9:20, 38:14, 128:7            reduction [3] -           116:8
        provides [4] - 49:21,    156:5                        reading [1] - 126:20       134:4, 142:15, 143:15       renovation [1] - 12:4
       50:14, 66:12, 67:6         quarter [1] - 69:22         ready [3] - 93:17,          Reese [3] - 45:9,          rent [1] - 93:3
        providing [5] -           questions [9] -           119:4                        45:13, 117:18               rented [1] - 87:14
       48:10, 48:12, 65:17,      46:18, 54:19, 62:14,         real [7] - 17:1, 20:20,     REESE [4] - 2:10,          repeatedly [1] - 29:2
       144:1                     68:10, 94:9, 111:6,        21:9, 23:21, 27:18,          45:14, 65:14, 105:9         report [1] - 156:10
        provision [2] - 35:14,   113:17, 115:16,            37:4, 89:16                   Reese's [1] - 103:22       reported [2] - 48:18,
       40:22                     123:13                       realize [1] - 97:4          reference [1] - 41:17     156:7
        provisions [1] -          quibble [2] - 6:22,         really [21] - 9:7, 11:8,    referendum [29] -          Reporter [1] - 9:8
       101:2                     7:11                       69:20, 70:9, 70:17,          5:10, 5:12, 10:12,          represent [2] - 31:9,
        Public [4] - 1:13,        quick [2] - 30:6, 37:5    71:10, 84:13, 88:19,         13:16, 15:18, 18:10,       79:14
       2:17, 156:5, 156:14        quickly [1] - 99:5        90:20, 99:18, 99:20,         21:4, 25:12, 27:5,          representing [1] -
        public [19] - 4:6,        quiet [1] - 100:22        100:2, 101:16, 105:1,        35:7, 41:14, 79:17,        5:13
       7:18, 9:21, 10:5,          quite [6] - 26:13,        105:20, 106:16,              100:5, 107:3, 107:10,       request [2] - 42:2,
       10:19, 13:17, 42:5,       28:19, 57:14, 62:8,        110:20, 113:2,               108:19, 108:21,            148:14
       47:6, 67:20, 110:20,      70:7, 110:1                113:20, 115:10,              109:2, 109:5, 109:14,       requesting [3] -
       126:1, 126:4, 126:10,      quoted [1] - 78:12        131:18                       109:16, 109:19,            62:6, 106:18, 148:9
       126:13, 127:21,                                        rear [2] - 81:18,          110:14, 111:21,             requests [1] - 68:2
       127:22, 132:20, 155:7               R                83:18                        113:6, 114:5, 118:16,       require [2] - 10:11,
        publication [1] - 43:4                                reason [8] - 8:20,         119:5, 130:14              35:20
        publish [2] - 9:16                                  26:1, 40:12, 55:16,           referring [2] - 128:9,     required [5] - 64:17,
                                  raccoons [2] - 74:2,
        published [1] -                                     74:14, 100:21,               128:16                     122:15, 127:4, 128:7,
                                 98:2
       128:12                                               101:10, 146:2                 refers [2] - 38:7,        128:15
                                  rail [4] - 83:18,
        puddles [1] - 70:10                                   reasoning [1] - 28:8       128:19                      requirements [4] -
                                 83:19, 83:20, 99:9
        pulled [2] - 73:21,                                   reasons [3] - 18:1,         refinance [1] - 29:11     106:2, 106:7, 111:11,
                                  rain [6] - 72:16, 73:5,
       82:5                                                 18:6, 94:10                   refine [2] - 68:6,        122:19
                                 78:5, 78:21, 99:2,
        purchase [1] - 18:3                                   Rec [2] - 29:11,           104:3                       requires [3] - 39:5,
                                 99:4
        purchased [4] - 7:21,                               138:8                         refined [1] - 115:4       118:7, 126:21
                                  raining [1] - 99:3
       8:8, 71:7, 87:13                                       recalling [1] - 49:11       reflect [1] - 46:12        research [1] - 105:2
                                  rains [9] - 73:15,
        purchasing [1] -                                      receded [1] - 72:22         reflects [1] - 153:9       researched [1] -
                                 91:6, 91:8, 96:19,
       82:14                                                  recedes [1] - 99:4          refund [1] - 4:21         105:7
                                 97:7, 98:7, 98:11,
        purposes [4] - 59:4,                                  receive [2] - 7:18,         refunds [1] - 130:10       reservable [2] - 59:7,
                                 99:3, 101:20
       119:20, 130:3, 142:6                                 116:18                        regard [1] - 58:3         65:9
                                  raise [1] - 87:5
        pursue [1] - 111:12                                   received [2] - 9:6,         regarding [2] -            reserved [1] - 108:2
                                  raised [7] - 111:6,
        push [1] - 63:3                                     29:3                         45:17, 122:19               reside [1] - 32:4
                                 121:19, 122:16,
        pushed [1] - 53:21                                    recent [1] - 10:14          regards [4] - 4:7,         residences [1] -
                                 126:20, 127:5,
        put [35] - 6:20, 7:7,                                 recently [3] - 12:6,       59:10, 117:13, 117:19      83:15
                                 127:13, 127:16
       7:8, 29:1, 33:7, 36:14,                              96:12, 100:13                 regular [9] - 10:10,       resident [2] - 46:7,
                                  rank [1] - 116:16
       43:10, 54:1, 57:22,                                    recess [1] - 121:9         11:7, 11:19, 16:9,         108:4
                                  rate [15] - 5:12,
       65:4, 70:16, 71:1,                                     recited [1] - 3:17         16:16, 19:6, 25:14,         resident's [1] - 87:12
                                 14:18, 19:7, 19:13,
       73:7, 75:20, 76:9,                                     recognizes [1] -           26:1, 35:16                 residential [1] -
                                 19:17, 19:20, 20:5,
       79:5, 81:6, 82:6,                                    105:14                        regulatory [5] -          69:21
                                 20:14, 21:14, 26:3,
       82:20, 92:8, 96:21,                                    recommend [1] -            47:10, 47:21, 74:22,        residents [14] - 6:19,
                                 27:21, 35:8, 124:18,
       97:4, 100:11, 104:16,                                106:11                       76:20, 87:7                31:9, 45:20, 79:10,
                                 124:19, 148:19
       104:18, 105:16,                                        recommendation [3]          relation [1] - 133:21     81:15, 84:1, 104:7,
                                  rates [7] - 13:11,
       109:12, 109:19,                                      - 45:3, 103:21, 152:1         relative [2] - 113:17,    106:21, 107:4, 107:5,
                                 24:20, 24:22, 25:1,
       110:14, 110:22,                                        recommended [1] -          125:22                     110:2, 110:9, 110:13,
                                 25:2, 148:1, 150:6
       115:1, 134:8, 139:6,                                 100:7                         relatively [2] - 13:12,   110:21
                                  rather [4] - 14:15,
       141:1, 141:12                                          reconsider [1] - 44:9      113:13                      Resolution [4] -
                                 17:21, 25:19, 97:15
        puts [2] - 15:18, 36:9                                record [2] - 72:12,         released [1] - 126:14     121:17, 123:2,
                                  rationale [1] - 60:15
        putting [8] - 63:13,                                77:1                          relief [3] - 125:19,      126:18, 134:22
                                  Ray [1] - 87:10
       85:8, 97:10, 98:6,                                     recoup [1] - 109:9         133:20, 144:2               resolution [3] -
                                  Ray's [1] - 92:22
       103:13, 107:19,                                        Recreation [4] -            relocation [1] -          121:18, 122:16,
                                  RAYMOND [9] -
       110:16, 117:15                                       2:12, 147:7, 147:18,         116:21                     126:19
                                 89:18, 89:21, 90:2,
                                                            148:3                         remains [3] - 7:10,        resolved [1] - 127:8
                                 90:18, 91:2, 92:8,
                                 92:13, 92:16, 93:12          recreation [2] -           38:16, 143:5                resources [1] - 35:15
                                                            65:17, 103:10                 removal [1] - 65:6         respect [3] - 19:11,

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         42:1, 145:13                ripped [1] - 108:13      130:3, 134:19, 135:4,     second [8] - 23:21,       series [1] - 48:3      18
          respectfully [1] -         rippling [1] - 59:16     137:6, 137:12,           50:1, 55:2, 75:10,         service [21] - 10:13,
         28:7                        riprap [1] - 82:6        137:20, 140:5,           118:11, 121:16,           10:22, 27:5, 36:3,
          respectively [1] -         rise [1] - 3:14          141:20, 142:8, 143:5,    130:6, 152:8              36:4, 122:11, 123:4,
         154:11                      risk [1] - 25:19         144:5, 144:15, 145:8,     secondary [1] -          124:1, 124:4, 125:14,
          respond [3] - 6:8,         river [1] - 70:12        145:13, 146:4, 146:7,    54:11                     133:6, 133:11,
         26:19, 32:6                 road [1] - 25:19         150:15, 151:22,           seconded [1] -           133:12, 133:14,
          responding [2] -           Road [1] - 72:15         152:13, 155:1, 155:9     120:15                    135:13, 137:3, 138:5,
         5:22, 6:2                   ROBERT [1] - 2:2          Salazar [14] - 3:10,     Secretary [4] - 2:5,     142:22, 143:14,
          responses [1] - 29:3       rocks [1] - 82:7         7:14, 21:10, 21:20,      3:18, 31:15, 127:20       143:18, 144:10
          responsibility [1] -       Roll [8] - 3:3, 42:9,    27:8, 42:16, 117:12,      section [6] - 9:8,        Service [1] - 2:15
         116:4                      119:6, 120:4, 120:17,     119:8, 121:2, 134:18,    9:10, 9:22, 60:20,         serving [1] - 110:20
          responsible [2] -         134:11, 152:11,           142:19, 143:20,          108:1, 154:2               session [7] - 4:7,
         29:6, 82:19                154:13                    152:12, 154:22            Section [2] - 127:10,    145:7, 153:22, 154:8,
          rest [3] - 17:11,          rolling [1] - 8:22        Salazar's [1] -         127:15                    155:3, 155:5, 155:8
         32:11, 72:14                roof [2] - 85:13         133:14                    Sections [1] - 154:8      set [6] - 40:16, 69:1,
          restate [1] - 128:12       room [3] - 57:11,         sampled [1] - 83:1       sections [2] - 60:16,    69:14, 90:14, 133:5,
          restore [1] - 12:2        64:1, 73:21                sand [9] - 57:4,        153:22                    156:11
          restrain [1] - 14:20       rotated [1] - 64:7       57:10, 62:20, 63:2,       security [4] - 50:9,      setting [2] - 84:21,
          restrictive [1] - 83:16    roughly [7] - 7:6,       63:5, 63:11, 64:2,       64:4, 89:4, 89:5          85:12
          restroom [1] - 55:9       62:21, 124:20, 129:4,     72:22, 79:3               see [58] - 19:2,          seven [4] - 25:15,
          restrooms [1] - 67:7      129:8, 143:7, 143:8        Sand [1] - 95:21        29:19, 34:14, 38:15,      66:22, 70:21, 90:12
          result [2] - 10:12,        route [1] - 44:9          sandbars [1] - 81:15    50:10, 52:1, 52:11,        seventeen [1] -
         125:1                       run [12] - 37:18,         Sangala [2] - 77:2,     54:2, 55:10, 55:11,       80:15
          results [2] - 43:20,      44:1, 61:5, 61:7,         79:10                    57:3, 57:16, 57:18,        seventy [1] - 130:1
         94:11                      62:10, 98:15, 98:16,       SANGALA [7] - 72:9,     64:6, 71:7, 72:8, 74:4,    seventy-five [1] -
          retail [1] - 146:22       104:14, 138:16,           72:13, 77:2, 79:3,       74:17, 74:21, 76:17,      130:1
          retainage [1] - 63:8      139:3, 143:12, 143:22     86:22, 102:12, 102:15    85:6, 87:6, 91:4, 93:5,    several [8] - 6:15,
          retention [4] - 81:1,      runs [1] - 49:2           sanitary [1] - 92:6     95:3, 95:13, 97:12,       27:19, 29:13, 31:6,
         91:3, 91:10, 91:17          ruts [2] - 81:9, 93:21    saturated [4] - 81:3,   99:9, 101:1, 101:21,      72:21, 76:4, 101:6,
          returned [2] - 4:20,       RYAN [7] - 77:4,         81:11, 84:15, 85:12      102:3, 102:7, 102:8,      152:5
         130:13                     77:22, 78:2, 78:10,        save [2] - 23:7, 97:5   103:6, 103:12, 105:1,      sewage [1] - 49:4
          revenue [29] - 4:8,       78:12, 78:15, 78:19        saved [1] - 147:1       111:10, 112:17,            sewer [1] - 73:18
         7:20, 8:18, 10:5,           Ryan [2] - 77:4,          savings [4] - 147:3,    113:19, 116:16,            shade [1] - 67:6
         10:17, 15:16, 16:4,        79:10                     148:5, 149:11, 150:9     117:14, 119:19,            shall [1] - 126:22
         16:8, 17:5, 17:10,                                    saw [7] - 9:17, 9:20,   120:7, 124:7, 125:2,       SHANNON [9] - 2:13,
                                                              57:13, 60:18, 60:21,     128:21, 130:4,            146:20, 149:13,
         18:15, 21:1, 21:16,                  S                                        133:19, 134:3, 134:5,
         25:4, 25:9, 26:2,                                    60:22, 79:1                                        149:17, 149:21,
         28:17, 29:5, 30:4,                                    scale [1] - 108:17      135:2, 135:6, 136:5,      151:4, 151:20, 152:4,
         32:20, 35:4, 35:6,           S-a-n-g-a-l-a [1] -      scared [1] - 96:9       136:9, 137:7, 139:3,      153:1
         35:13, 35:19, 36:2,        77:2                       scary [2] - 93:11,      141:7, 143:15              shaped [1] - 81:6
         42:7, 111:19, 122:7,         sac [1] - 49:8          93:12                     seeing [3] - 63:5,        share [4] - 3:19,
         123:5                        safety [1] - 58:22       scattered [1] - 73:1    135:10, 141:10            3:22, 24:15, 109:18
          revenues [6] - 11:3,        safety-space-wise        scenario [1] - 21:6      seeking [1] - 28:18       shared [1] - 79:13
         11:4, 36:2, 135:19,        [1] - 58:22                schedule [2] - 32:9,     seem [1] - 32:12          sheet [4] - 140:11,
         137:16, 144:11               SALAZAR [62] - 2:6,     138:6                     sell [3] - 7:19, 42:6,   140:19, 140:21,
          review [6] - 45:3,        3:11, 4:1, 6:20, 13:1,     scheduled [1] -         109:8                     146:10
         68:2, 116:15, 117:16,      13:5, 13:20, 25:6,        122:20                    sense [10] - 13:6,        shelter [9] - 48:10,
         121:20, 146:19             31:18, 37:4, 38:10,        schedules [1] - 31:2    15:2, 24:10, 24:19,       50:12, 50:16, 53:11,
          reviewed [2] - 46:10,     38:16, 38:20, 40:18,       scheme [1] - 113:8      35:22, 41:2, 59:8,        53:20, 54:8, 55:12,
         120:8                      41:3, 42:17, 78:8,         School [1] - 34:14      106:21, 110:12,           65:7, 67:6
          reviewing [1] - 29:18     78:11, 78:13, 78:18,       screenings [2] -        139:15                     shoes [2] - 81:13,
          Revis [2] - 75:4,         85:5, 85:20, 92:21,       73:2, 79:5                sent [3] - 32:5,         84:16
         75:14                      96:5, 104:21, 107:8,       season [1] - 110:5      67:20, 148:22              shoot [1] - 95:17
          revised [2] - 45:2,       107:12, 109:13,            SEASPAR [1] -            sentence [2] - 38:14,     short [14] - 14:11,
         45:16                      115:10, 118:2, 118:8,     123:10                   38:15                     14:14, 14:19, 16:12,
          revision [1] - 153:8      119:9, 121:3, 123:14,      seating [1] - 90:17      separate [2] - 112:4,    16:13, 16:20, 24:8,
          rid [3] - 63:10, 92:10,   123:18, 124:7, 129:2,      Second [5] - 42:8,      141:13                    24:10, 25:1, 26:5,
                                    129:7, 129:11,                                      separated [1] - 88:15    26:6, 26:12, 38:2,
         113:11                                               120:3, 152:9, 154:12,
                                    129:14, 129:21,                                     September [1] - 24:3     44:22
          rightfully [1] - 28:5                               155:10

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        Short [1] - 15:10        66:2, 66:14, 67:3,         17:8, 26:2, 111:16,        107:13                    119:22, 120:12,         19
        short-term [11] -        94:12, 105:15,             153:17                      special [1] - 10:12      138:15, 138:21,
       14:11, 16:12, 16:13,      105:17, 105:21              slip [1] - 93:15           specific [5] - 34:20,    145:16, 150:16,
       16:20, 24:8, 24:10,        sites [1] - 47:4           slope [1] - 61:14         39:3, 112:2, 114:22,      150:17, 152:2, 153:11
       25:1, 26:5, 26:6,          sits [1] - 91:5            slopes [1] - 61:3         120:11                     Staff [4] - 45:19,
       26:12, 38:2                sitting [2] - 29:13,       small [3] - 71:2,          specifically [2] -       46:10, 62:1, 68:2
        Short-term [1] -         91:14                      96:15, 146:10              33:3, 58:3                 staff's [1] - 153:10
       15:10                      situation [4] - 36:5,      smaller [3] - 108:17,      spell [1] - 90:10         stage [1] - 113:6
        shortage [1] - 14:11     51:17, 58:15, 59:16        146:8, 147:14               spend [11] - 5:8,         stand [1] - 111:1
        shortfall [6] - 14:12,    six [13] - 18:3, 36:8,     smile [1] - 55:18         16:2, 30:17, 33:5,         standard [2] - 34:9,
       16:17, 26:11, 38:3,       46:1, 70:14, 87:2,          sneak [1] - 108:6         34:21, 74:20, 80:4,       35:4
       38:18, 144:14             107:22, 129:14,             sneaking [1] -            113:21, 144:7, 144:15      standing [2] - 71:11,
        shorthand [1] -          135:11, 136:7,             107:21                      spending [15] - 5:9,     81:8
       156:7                     136:11, 136:15,             so-called [1] - 76:18     13:21, 14:4, 14:20,        standpoint [4] -
        shortly [1] - 27:17      142:12                      softball [1] - 54:16      15:1, 17:15, 17:19,       111:3, 112:16,
        shovel [1] - 79:5         sixteen [1] - 82:8         softballs [1] - 82:8      26:7, 26:10, 26:13,       117:14, 117:17
        show [2] - 27:16,         sixteen-inch [1] -         soggy [1] - 78:6          26:14, 35:10, 40:19,       start [5] - 8:19, 9:4,
       75:9                      82:8                        soil [4] - 81:13,         71:5, 138:2               90:7, 94:1, 113:13
        showed [3] - 46:4,        sixty [4] - 135:11,       82:22, 83:1, 92:4           spends [1] - 15:21        started [4] - 8:19,
       57:5, 75:7                136:7, 136:11, 136:15       soils [3] - 81:3,          spent [9] - 5:15, 6:3,   38:13, 39:17, 47:2
        shown [3] - 48:4,         sixty-four [4] -          84:16, 85:13               7:2, 14:2, 25:18,          starting [1] - 133:10
       67:12, 86:10              135:11, 136:7,              sold [1] - 108:14         32:15, 37:8, 37:20,        starts [1] - 57:15
        shows [1] - 52:7         136:11, 136:15              solid [1] - 35:22         100:6                      State [2] - 1:13,
        side [14] - 50:12,        size [4] - 15:3, 22:12,    solvents [1] - 82:16       spirit [1] - 23:15       156:6
       50:16, 50:21, 77:20,      58:20, 82:8                 someone [2] - 12:18,       splint [1] - 83:20        state [3] - 10:10,
       88:5, 88:7, 93:11,         sketches [2] - 57:5,      84:11                       split [3] - 83:18,       10:18, 41:11
       98:19, 98:21, 101:12,     63:16                       someplace [1] -           83:19, 99:9                STATE [1] - 156:1
       101:20, 108:4, 112:21      skunks [1] - 98:2         74:15                       spoken [1] - 12:4         statement [9] - 5:17,
        sides [1] - 48:11         SLEETER [55] - 2:3,        somewhat [2] - 17:4,       spontaneous [1] -        5:22, 13:20, 33:16,
        sidewalk [1] - 88:5      3:13, 5:19, 6:2, 8:13,     17:16                      59:7                      33:22, 60:9, 68:1,
        Sievers [1] - 80:21      17:2, 30:6, 31:19,          somewhere [5] - 7:5,       sport [1] - 58:18        141:17, 142:4
        sign [2] - 147:20,       39:17, 42:19, 42:22,       74:5, 77:6, 94:3,           sports [3] - 9:21,        statute [1] - 38:5
       148:8                     43:8, 44:13, 60:15,        150:22                     58:19, 65:22               stay [2] - 147:3,
        signage [1] - 66:7       61:8, 61:12, 61:15,         son [1] - 89:16            spread [4] - 17:20,      147:17
        signed [1] - 148:20      61:18, 61:21, 68:19,        sorry [5] - 9:14,         18:7, 18:12, 24:12         stays [1] - 90:5
        significance [1] -       104:12, 104:22,            104:22, 120:6,              spreading [1] - 22:4      steel [1] - 52:21
       55:17                     112:20, 116:3,             128:11, 154:3               spreadsheet [7] -         steep [1] - 61:4
        significant [4] -        118:10, 119:11,             sort [7] - 9:22, 49:15,   128:22, 134:9, 135:8,      steps [3] - 44:14,
       28:19, 29:21, 79:16,      121:5, 128:5, 134:21,      52:3, 56:12, 107:19,       144:3, 145:17,            117:19, 117:21
       115:16                    135:8, 135:18,             114:1, 115:12              153:13, 153:16             Sterling [4] - 45:1,
        significantly [2] -      137:11, 137:15,             source [8] - 4:8,          spreadsheets [1] -       45:17, 45:21, 68:4
       64:8, 113:3               137:22, 138:9,             7:20, 8:18, 10:5,          145:4                      STEVE [1] - 96:7
        similar [3] - 15:6,      138:14, 138:18,            17:10, 35:19, 42:7,         spring [1] - 46:1         Steve [1] - 96:7
       28:14, 83:3               138:22, 139:12,            122:7                       Springfield [1] -         Still [1] - 117:3
        simple [2] - 26:13,      139:19, 140:1,              sources [2] - 68:7,       18:22                      still [20] - 13:12,
       134:2                     140:15, 141:12,            104:4                       squeezed [1] - 62:19     15:16, 17:6, 24:20,
        simplest [1] - 51:22     141:16, 143:1,                                         SS [1] - 156:1           62:21, 64:15, 70:16,
                                                             South [1] - 34:14
        simplify [2] - 135:12,   144:17, 145:15,                                        St [7] - 49:2, 51:11,    81:9, 82:15, 91:13,
                                                             south [7] - 49:9,
       139:20                    146:1, 146:11,                                        51:15, 53:18, 54:12,      112:22, 125:12,
                                                            53:15, 53:22, 62:19,
                                 150:20, 152:21,                                       66:1, 82:15               129:16, 130:4, 136:4,
        simply [6] - 9:14,                                  67:4, 75:18, 77:19
                                 153:21, 154:3, 154:7,                                  stabilization [3] -      142:20, 143:5, 144:1,
       36:12, 106:11,                                        space [24] - 48:6,
                                 154:15                                                59:11, 60:4, 60:8         147:16
       115:15, 116:7, 116:20                                48:7, 48:8, 48:9,
                                  Sleeter [9] - 3:12,                                   STAFF [1] - 2:8           stint [1] - 152:3
        single [4] - 50:22,                                 50:13, 50:19, 50:22,
                                 5:21, 21:22, 42:18,                                    staff [26] - 45:16,
       54:1, 70:8, 98:10                                    51:7, 53:8, 54:2,                                     stockpile [1] - 133:2
                                 119:10, 121:4,                                        46:8, 46:15, 47:6,
        sit [1] - 68:15                                     57:13, 57:14, 57:18,                                  stop [3] - 44:8,
                                 134:20, 152:20,                                       48:18, 52:6, 57:12,
        Site [1] - 46:14                                    58:22, 63:4, 64:22,                                  59:14, 95:2
                                 154:14                                                58:6, 67:18, 68:6,
        site [17] - 47:4,                                   65:9, 65:18, 65:20,                                   storage [6] - 75:16,
                                  slid [1] - 62:16                                     103:21, 104:3,
       47:19, 48:12, 50:10,                                 78:16, 103:3, 107:15,                                75:19, 76:6, 76:13,
                                  slide [1] - 86:11                                    104:10, 112:22,
       50:14, 51:5, 53:16,                                  115:20                                               80:19, 81:1
                                  slightly [5] - 16:8,       spaces [3] - 67:12,       117:15, 118:3, 119:2,
       57:15, 58:12, 61:3,                                                                                        storm [1] - 81:20

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          stormwater [7] -           summertime [1] -          35:8, 35:16, 35:17,        tentatively [1] -        136:16                 20
         52:15, 75:3, 75:5,         70:15                      36:2, 38:1, 112:2,        122:20                     three [34] - 5:20,
         104:13, 105:5, 105:8,       sunk [2] - 4:19, 5:2      121:21, 123:9,             term [25] - 12:10,       14:15, 14:17, 14:21,
         105:12                      Supervisor [1] - 2:17     123:22, 124:15,           12:17, 13:8, 14:10,       15:5, 16:19, 16:20,
          straight [2] - 59:14,      supplier [1] - 146:22     124:18, 124:19,           14:11, 15:8, 15:10,       17:21, 25:10, 26:10,
         88:12                       supply [1] - 147:13       125:7, 125:11,            16:12, 16:13, 16:14,      26:12, 26:17, 39:12,
          straits [1] - 5:7          support [5] - 28:16,      125:16, 125:19,           16:20, 24:8, 24:10,       40:20, 69:22, 72:18,
          strange [1] - 36:17       49:13, 79:16, 102:10,      133:6, 133:11,            24:11, 24:13, 24:18,      73:13, 79:21, 81:19,
          stream [9] - 21:2,        119:1                      133:19, 135:19,           25:1, 25:2, 25:21,        87:5, 96:19, 109:1,
         22:12, 35:4, 35:6,          supporting [1] -          137:16, 139:17,           26:5, 26:6, 26:12,        126:5, 126:16,
         35:16, 66:9, 77:20,        114:9                      139:18, 141:3,            28:19, 38:2, 59:8         129:15, 135:11,
         110:6, 111:19               supportive [1] - 30:3     141:15, 142:20,            terminates [2] - 56:7,   136:7, 136:11,
          stream-edge [1] -          suppose [1] - 153:6       143:3, 143:13,            56:8                      136:15, 137:20, 141:1
         66:9                        supposed [1] - 92:15      143:16, 144:2              termination [1] -         Throughout [1] -
          streambank [2] -           surface [3] - 50:15,       taxable [3] - 19:14,     50:8                      69:16
         59:10, 76:14               61:6, 67:14                127:6, 127:13              terms [3] - 106:10,       throw [2] - 38:2,
          streambanks [1] -          surplus [1] - 133:20       taxation [6] - 121:19,   125:13, 141:9             50:20
         12:2                        surprised [1] - 94:4      122:17, 126:20,            terrain [1] - 109:22      throwing [1] - 73:9
          streams [1] - 36:2         surrounded [2] -          127:6, 127:13, 127:17      tested [1] - 83:1         thrown [1] - 77:11
          street [3] - 56:7,        50:15, 70:17                taxed [1] - 20:18         testimony [5] - 8:6,      Thumbs [3] - 78:18,
         88:5, 88:7                  surveys [1] - 76:5         Taxes [1] - 27:21        31:15, 31:21, 31:22,      85:5, 85:20
          Street [10] - 45:2,        swale [1] - 67:13          taxes [21] - 19:7,       42:1                       thumbs [5] - 78:18,
         48:21, 50:8, 68:5,          swaled [1] - 81:18        23:21, 24:2, 24:15,        testing [3] - 92:4,      85:5, 85:22, 96:5
         82:1, 87:22, 102:1,         swimming [1] -            26:16, 27:19, 27:20,      94:13, 94:14               tie [1] - 141:17
         104:17, 104:18             114:20                     28:2, 28:11, 30:7,         that'll [1] - 71:17       timeframe [2] - 68:9,
          streets [1] - 102:2        swing [2] - 64:6, 93:8    30:11, 121:19, 123:3,      That'll [1] - 139:4      104:5
          strongly [2] - 21:20,                                125:8, 127:18,             THE [2] - 1:1, 1:3        timeline [1] - 43:9
                                     swingset [3] - 96:21,
         64:3                                                  130:13, 131:22,            theirs [1] - 9:21         timing [4] - 148:18,
                                    97:1, 97:5
          structural [1] - 64:17                               133:16, 133:17,            theme [3] - 65:15,       149:1, 151:6, 151:13
                                     switch [3] - 57:21,
          structure [4] - 18:17,                               141:4, 143:16             65:17, 65:19               today [10] - 25:9,
                                    63:2, 63:10
         84:11, 106:12, 115:5                                   taxing [2] - 126:22,      theoretically [1] -      39:10, 53:2, 55:16,
                                     synthesis [2] -
          studied [1] - 81:18                                  127:7                     133:9                     69:6, 72:1, 72:4,
                                    48:16, 57:4
          study [2] - 126:14,                                   taxpayer [3] - 4:17,      theory [1] - 15:20       112:19, 146:18,
                                     synthetic [2] - 7:8,
         153:12                                                15:14, 28:1                thereby [1] - 47:9       147:22
                                    28:20
          stuff [7] - 71:2, 73:9,                               taxpayers [6] - 5:7,      therefore [1] - 127:7     Today [1] - 148:7
                                     system [4] - 4:20,
         73:21, 98:4, 99:8,                                    14:13, 15:10, 16:10,       Therefore [2] - 11:5,     TODD [1] - 2:10
                                    52:18, 54:11, 66:22
         99:12, 142:15                                         25:17, 112:5              136:17                     Todd [5] - 46:19,
                                     system-wide [1] -
          subject [4] - 17:15,                                  taxpayers' [1] - 5:12     thereto [6] - 8:3,       60:2, 65:12, 68:12,
                                    66:22
         30:9, 106:9, 125:4                                     team [1] - 59:2          33:14, 37:15, 37:17,      105:6
          submitting [1] - 8:16                                 tear [1] - 107:16        38:7, 38:12                together [1] - 134:8
                                               T                tearing [1] - 28:22                                 TOM [1] - 32:3
          substantially [1] -                                                             thinking [6] - 57:7,
         133:3                                                  Technically [1] -        63:13, 91:13, 100:1,       Tom [3] - 32:3,
          subtract [3] - 135:22,     table [3] - 82:20,        48:3                      114:20, 133:1             35:12, 41:17
         136:2, 136:7               111:8, 118:13               technically [1] -         thirteen [2] - 25:13,     tonight [12] - 3:19,
          suffering [1] -            tall [1] - 90:13          39:19                     25:19                     8:6, 13:18, 41:16,
         144:11                      tax [81] - 5:12, 10:12,    technique [1] - 60:7      thirty [10] - 7:6,       45:4, 46:13, 67:16,
          sufficient [1] - 11:4     10:13, 10:21, 11:3,         ten [9] - 15:14,         12:22, 22:16, 43:1,       113:22, 115:3,
          suggest [7] - 34:12,      11:4, 11:8, 11:9,          15:17, 23:2, 25:11,       44:5, 71:21, 73:19,       117:22, 120:8, 133:4
         43:10, 44:2, 53:6,         11:18, 13:14, 13:15,       25:15, 25:22, 30:17,      73:20, 74:18, 95:1         took [9] - 8:7, 32:5,
         63:19, 68:19, 121:9        14:7, 15:11, 17:6,         79:3, 81:4                 thirty-five [2] - 7:6,   73:4, 81:7, 92:11,
          suggested [4] - 9:9,      17:8, 17:11, 17:15,         Ten [1] - 5:3            95:1                      92:13, 97:19, 135:12,
         52:6, 58:8, 138:16         18:21, 19:4, 19:9,          ten-inch [1] - 79:3       thirty-two [2] -         135:21
          suggesting [1] - 65:8     19:10, 19:16, 20:4,         Tennis [1] - 95:17       73:20, 74:18               top [8] - 21:5, 21:8,
          suggestion [2] -          20:9, 20:11, 20:14,         tennis [17] - 50:22,      Thorguard [1] - 4:20     21:13, 49:21, 71:6,
         108:22, 126:15             21:2, 21:5, 21:7, 21:8,    53:13, 54:1, 57:14,        thorough [1] - 67:19     110:5, 111:4, 111:11
          sum [1] - 127:14          21:9, 21:11, 21:12,        57:20, 58:7, 59:6,         thousand [13] - 7:6,      topics [1] - 4:11
          summarize [2] -           21:19, 24:3, 24:9,         62:16, 63:5, 64:2,        18:3, 36:8, 81:16,         topographical [1] -
                                    24:16, 27:1, 27:4,         64:21, 66:20, 71:1,       110:13, 122:10,           76:5
         46:17, 65:14
                                    27:6, 27:10, 27:14,        71:8, 71:9, 100:18,       125:9, 128:3, 129:20,      topography [2] -
          summer [3] - 5:3,
                                    28:3, 28:5, 28:6, 30:9,    106:12                    130:1, 136:1, 136:8,      67:5, 76:4
         70:10, 81:12

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        torn [2] - 70:20,          100:10                    ultimate [1] - 56:20     144:14, 146:1,             80:1, 107:11, 109:18,21
       78:14                        turn [2] - 45:12,        umbrella [1] - 114:18    147:20, 151:7, 151:13      110:7, 111:17,
        total [13] - 5:19, 6:3,    72:14                     umph [1] - 71:5           Up [1] - 78:1             118:15, 143:21
       11:12, 30:7, 30:10,          turning [1] - 83:8       unable [1] - 32:8         upcoming [1] -             views [1] - 67:5
       30:11, 113:21, 130:1,        twelve [2] - 18:2,       Under [4] - 4:18,        153:13                      village [9] - 24:14,
       133:16, 133:17,             116:8                    10:18, 140:10, 153:4       updated [1] - 153:10      75:4, 75:7, 79:18,
       134:4, 135:19, 139:17        twenty [13] - 12:22,     under [16] - 6:12,        usable [1] - 64:11        83:12, 87:4, 118:20,
        totally [2] - 8:21,        14:15, 14:16, 15:2,      8:15, 10:10, 17:11,        useful [2] - 93:10,       149:16, 149:18
       101:17                      15:6, 16:21, 22:16,      19:4, 21:6, 27:5,         113:20                      VILLAGE [2] - 1:1,
        towards [2] - 72:15,       107:14, 122:17,          27:10, 75:12, 114:16,      useless [1] - 73:16       1:8
       88:16                       126:22, 148:19,          114:17, 143:2,             users [2] - 83:11,         Village [2] - 1:10,
        town [1] - 95:18           151:14                   143:22, 149:19,           85:19                      49:3
        township [1] -              twenty-four [2] -       153:22, 154:8              uses [3] - 65:21,          violated [1] - 7:12
       132:17                      148:19, 151:14            underneath [1] -         74:11, 93:5                 virtually [1] - 110:17
        tracks [1] - 140:20         twenty-one [1] -        87:3                       Utecht [1] - 121:20        visibility [1] - 63:21
        traditional [2] - 10:9,    107:14                    underpass [1] -           UTECHT [20] - 2:14,        visible [1] - 63:20
       52:13                        two [54] - 6:13,        87:18                     121:21, 123:7,              visibly [1] - 50:9
        traffic [10] - 55:20,      14:14, 14:17, 14:21,      undertaking [1] -        123:11, 123:17,             visitor [3] - 4:4, 6:4,
       84:4, 85:10, 87:17,         15:5, 15:9, 16:20,       145:21                    123:22, 128:9, 129:6,      80:8
       87:20, 88:3, 88:4,          17:21, 19:3, 25:10,       underutilized [2] -      129:10, 129:13,             visitor's [1] - 5:22
       100:22, 101:4, 102:2        26:12, 26:17, 28:15,     110:18, 118:21            129:19, 130:22,             visitors [6] - 4:3,
        trail [12] - 48:11,        31:1, 40:20, 45:4,        undeveloped [4] -        131:4, 131:7, 131:17,      7:15, 68:14, 68:22,
       49:21, 51:14, 51:17,        46:8, 46:10, 48:9,       79:15, 80:5, 105:18,      132:5, 132:9, 132:12,      154:2, 154:4
       51:20, 53:15, 61:5,         49:14, 51:22, 60:13,     109:21                    132:16, 139:6               vistas [2] - 84:19,
       66:10, 104:8, 107:20,       63:7, 70:7, 73:12,        unfinished [1] -          utilization [1] - 85:16   84:22
       108:6, 115:4                73:20, 74:18, 78:8,      153:20                     utilize [2] - 64:19,       visual [2] - 50:11,
        trails [8] - 66:3, 66:7,   78:13, 86:13, 87:13,      unique [2] - 66:1,       78:4                       72:19
       86:1, 96:8, 96:13,          102:4, 102:8, 103:2,     67:2                       utilized [1] - 69:6        voice [1] - 155:12
       96:16, 105:19               108:12, 113:4,            university [1] - 5:4      utilizing [1] - 51:2       volleyball [14] - 57:4,
        transcript [1] - 156:9     126:16, 128:3,            unless [6] - 25:3,                                  57:10, 57:21, 58:9,
                                   138:12, 139:20,
        Treasurer [1] - 2:4                                 62:2, 89:2, 109:1,                  V                58:15, 58:17, 59:1,
        treatment [2] - 49:4,      141:21, 145:2,           114:2, 143:18                                        59:5, 62:20, 63:2,
       49:5                        148:10, 148:22,           Unless [1] - 6:21                                   63:6, 63:11, 64:2,
        tree [1] - 65:6            149:6, 149:8, 149:10,                               valid [1] - 104:7         95:21
                                                             unlike [1] - 131:19
        trees [8] - 28:22,         150:22, 151:1, 151:3,                               valley [1] - 110:6         volume [1] - 12:13
                                                             unprogrammed [1] -
       70:18, 70:21, 71:17,        151:4, 151:5, 152:3      65:21                      value [4] - 19:13,         voluminously [1] -
       71:18, 92:12, 97:20          Two [2] - 78:10,                                  28:21, 65:17, 71:7         32:6
                                                             unstructured [2] -
        tremendous [1] -           148:6                    48:6, 53:8                 variation [2] - 35:20,     volunteers [1] -
       82:9                         two-year [7] -                                    53:7                       145:18
                                                             unusual [1] - 41:16
        triangle [1] - 65:4        148:10, 149:6, 149:8,                               variety [2] - 46:4,        vote [11] - 18:2, 41:3,
                                                             unusually [1] - 11:22
        tricky [1] - 58:16         149:10, 150:22,                                    46:5                       43:3, 108:18, 109:12,
                                                             up [65] - 20:4, 26:16,
        tried [2] - 69:17, 78:5    151:1, 152:3                                        various [7] - 18:1,       110:13, 110:22,
                                                            27:9, 27:21, 28:8,
        trigger [1] - 126:10        twofold [1] - 19:10                               18:5, 18:6, 47:7,          114:8, 124:15,
                                                            29:1, 29:21, 32:7,
        triple [1] - 71:14          type [10] - 13:7,                                 47:21, 48:13, 75:6         142:14, 155:12
                                                            47:3, 47:12, 48:17,
                                   17:14, 61:8, 76:3,       48:22, 51:1, 51:9,         Various [1] - 39:2         voted [2] - 44:15,
        trouble [1] - 91:20
                                   83:22, 85:11, 86:7,      51:18, 53:18, 54:15,       venue [1] - 84:21         130:11
        troubles [1] - 108:10
                                   88:18, 102:19, 112:15    54:16, 56:3, 57:18,        verbiage [2] - 34:9,       voters [3] - 5:10,
        true [5] - 13:22, 23:8,
                                    types [3] - 9:10,       57:19, 61:5, 62:2,        36:16                      32:11, 130:11
       38:19, 48:16, 156:9
                                   19:3, 106:4              63:3, 63:22, 68:22,        verify [1] - 130:15        voting [2] - 111:22,
        trust [1] - 35:9
                                    typical [1] - 86:16     72:13, 73:3, 73:4,         verse [1] - 41:12         112:1
        trusting [1] - 35:9
                                    typically [2] - 9:13,   73:8, 73:10, 75:3,         versus [4] - 29:20,
        truth [1] - 5:17
                                   9:14                                               60:16, 66:19, 106:10
        try [7] - 9:19, 34:5,
                                    typo [2] - 128:6,
                                                            75:11, 75:20, 78:7,                                            W
                                                            78:18, 79:6, 80:17,        Vice [2] - 2:3, 21:22
       81:10, 82:7, 95:14,
                                   128:16                   81:22, 85:5, 85:20,        vice [2] - 18:19,
       95:16, 126:16
                                                            90:14, 92:5, 95:15,       23:14                       wader [1] - 72:21
        trying [6] - 37:6,
                                             U              95:16, 96:5, 96:6,         Vice-President [2] -       wait [3] - 22:7, 23:2,
       74:19, 77:9, 78:4,
                                                            96:9, 97:5, 99:5, 99:8,   2:3, 21:22                 23:6
       87:21, 141:16
                                                            99:10, 99:12, 113:11,      vice-president [2] -       waited [2] - 18:9,
        tucked [1] - 54:15          ugly [2] - 70:18,
                                                            129:3, 133:20, 136:3,     18:19, 23:14               23:10
        turf [6] - 6:15, 7:8,      71:18
                                                            136:6, 138:2, 143:16,      view [8] - 65:10,          waiting [1] - 22:16
       28:21, 53:4, 100:6,

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          Walk [1] - 72:7           west [5] - 53:22,        29:7, 39:10, 39:13,        141:8, 141:12,                     22
          walk [15] - 49:12,       61:10, 73:13, 103:8,      60:5, 60:11, 122:13,       141:13, 141:15,
         49:20, 51:12, 70:5,       105:18                    124:10, 124:11,            141:18, 142:1, 142:2,
         70:7, 70:15, 71:9,         West [3] - 45:1,         125:6, 125:7, 129:7,       143:6, 143:8, 144:16,
         72:19, 74:12, 81:11,      45:21, 68:4               129:18, 129:20,            147:11, 148:10,
         90:7, 96:22, 102:1,        western [2] - 55:15,     130:2, 130:5, 130:10,      149:6, 149:7, 149:8,
         137:6                     110:3                     136:1, 136:16, 147:9       149:10, 150:22,
          walked [3] - 78:21,       wet [5] - 78:4, 78:5,     word [1] - 17:8           151:1, 152:3, 153:14
         101:6, 110:8              85:15, 90:8, 93:14         wording [1] - 34:13        year's [6] - 11:16,
          Walking [1] - 66:3        wetland [2] - 51:13,      words [1] - 16:6          40:5, 133:21, 139:17,
          walking [6] - 66:5,      66:9                       works [5] - 19:2,         143:18, 143:21
         85:11, 88:6, 105:21,       Wetlands [1] - 91:16     19:4, 52:1, 151:8,          years [41] - 11:12,
         107:20                     wetlands [2] - 89:16,    152:6                      12:22, 14:15, 14:16,
          wallpaper [1] - 146:5    92:14                      world [2] - 19:17,        14:17, 14:21, 15:2,
          walnut [1] - 92:12        whatnot [3] - 76:21,     19:19                      15:6, 16:20, 16:21,
          wants [6] - 22:5,        101:7, 103:5               worth [17] - 6:18,        16:22, 17:21, 22:16,
         25:7, 36:9, 90:4,          whatsoever [4] -         12:10, 14:22, 16:4,        23:2, 25:11, 26:13,
         103:4, 135:2              101:3, 102:4, 102:10,     16:5, 20:1, 20:6,          26:18, 27:2, 27:16,
          wash [2] - 98:7,         104:16                    25:20, 26:3, 71:11,        27:19, 28:20, 71:21,
         107:20                     Whereas [1] - 126:21     78:8, 79:11, 79:22,        73:20, 74:18, 80:16,
          washed [3] - 73:3,        white [2] - 86:4, 86:5   100:9, 109:7, 118:22,      81:4, 82:18, 95:1,
         79:4, 104:8                Whitlock [6] - 12:7,     143:9                      95:5, 107:22, 117:1,
          Washington [1] -         18:5, 32:21, 39:13,        wrap [1] - 54:5           118:17, 125:20,
         99:18                     39:16, 39:17               wraps [1] - 56:13         133:5, 144:13, 151:3,
          wasted [1] - 4:18         whole [10] - 38:14,       wrestled [1] - 112:19     151:4, 151:5
          wasting [1] - 74:16      47:14, 65:18, 70:21,       writes [1] - 37:22         yesterday [2] -
          water [32] - 49:4,       71:22, 73:15, 80:2,        written [6] - 8:5, 8:7,   126:14, 145:20
         52:18, 72:18, 72:22,      109:8, 118:20, 143:5      31:15, 31:20, 37:5,
         73:7, 73:10, 75:13,        wide [3] - 66:22,        42:1                                 Z
         79:1, 80:17, 80:22,       81:19, 81:22
         81:2, 81:7, 81:8,          wild [1] - 83:9                     Y                zero [5] - 133:6,
         81:21, 81:22, 82:9,        wildflowers [1] -                                   133:10, 133:12,
         82:10, 82:22, 86:17,      95:5
                                                              yard [9] - 76:5, 76:8,    133:15, 143:13
         87:3, 91:3, 91:5, 91:7,    wildlife [2] - 74:1,
                                                             79:6, 79:8, 81:16,
         91:10, 91:12, 91:13,      97:22
                                                             81:17, 84:6, 97:7,
         91:14, 94:2, 94:4,         WILLIAM [1] - 2:17
                                                             99:13
         98:10, 99:11, 101:19       window [2] - 88:19,
                                                              year [83] - 6:13, 7:3,
          Water [1] - 91:17        89:9
                                                             10:13, 12:13, 17:22,
          wavelength [1] -          winds [2] - 51:10,
                                                             19:6, 19:9, 20:7,
         111:18                    51:18
                                                             21:18, 23:20, 24:5,
          ways [2] - 16:19,         wiped [1] - 11:17
                                                             25:10, 26:7, 26:8,
         18:12                      Wisconsin [5] - 49:9,
                                                             26:9, 31:1, 40:10,
          weather [2] - 4:19,      56:5, 56:6, 56:10,
                                                             47:15, 111:20, 113:4,
         85:4                      56:16
                                                             116:15, 116:19,
          wedding [1] - 85:1        wise [2] - 23:15,
                                                             121:19, 122:8,
          weddings [1] - 84:13     58:22
                                                             122:11, 124:21,
          Wednesday [1] -           withdraw [1] -           125:6, 125:13,
         43:5                      151:22                    126:20, 127:6,
          weeds [8] - 70:14,        wonder [1] - 5:7         127:13, 127:17,
         70:15, 70:17, 71:16,       wonderful [1] - 116:5    127:20, 128:3,
         83:6, 90:12, 97:13,        wondering [1] -          128:15, 128:17,
         98:18                     62:20                     129:3, 129:11, 131:5,
          weedy [1] - 71:18         wood [10] - 51:14,       131:14, 132:8, 133:5,
          week [4] - 9:22, 73:4,   55:15, 60:16, 61:18,      133:10, 133:12,
         145:10, 148:5             73:2, 79:5, 86:8, 86:9,   133:19, 133:22,
          weeks [1] - 28:15        97:5, 115:5               134:3, 134:5, 134:6,
          weir [2] - 51:16,         wooded [3] - 97:18,      134:7, 135:18, 137:7,
         59:17                     97:20, 102:19             137:8, 140:10,
          welcome [2] - 4:5,        Woods [24] - 12:3,       140:16, 140:17,
         4:11                      18:10, 18:11, 28:20,      141:3, 141:5, 141:6,

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