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					         Control/Query Working Group Meeting Agenda
                              January 9 – January 13, 2006
                                   Phoenix, Arizona

General Editor: Tony Julian


Quarter 1, Monday, January 9, 2006
         Topic: Meeting Overview, Ballot/Proposal Overview, Host XML last 30
         minutes
                                                 Attendees
    Name                          Affiliation                  E-mail

    Julian, Anthony               Mayo Clinic+                 ajulian@mayo.edu
    Larson, Joann                 Kaiser Permanente            joann.larson@kp.org
    Pratt, Doug                   Siemens                      Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
    Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH                Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


    Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente            paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
    Branch, William               CSC                          wbranch@csc.com
    Donnelly, Michael             Epic Systems Corp            mdonnell@epicsys.com
    Fine, Steve                   Cerner                       sfine@cerner.com
    Jacobs, Jeff                  Oracle                       jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
    McCay, Charlie                HL7 UK, Ramsey Systems charlie@ramseysystems.co.uk
    Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente            sandra.stuart@kp.org



                                                  Agenda
#       Key       Description                                Presenter     Action Needed                Time
1                 Call to Order
2                 Agenda approval – this session
3                 San Diego Minutes Review                                                              5 ( 1- 3)
4                 Agenda approval – summary for the                                                     5
                  week
5                 Announcements                                                                         5
6                 Mission Statement Review




                                                                                         Page 1 of 90
7            Decision Making Practices
             Modification
8            Summary of Telcon Decisions
9            V3 Ballot Overview                                                              10
10           V3 proposal overview                                                            10
11           XML issues                                                                      30
12           Adjournment




I.     Call to Order

       The meeting was called to order by the chair, Tony Julian, at 0912 AM
       MST. Joann Larson was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.    Agenda approval – this session

       Approved upon a motion by J Larson and second by D Pratt (8-0-1)

III.   San Diego Minutes Review

       Minutes were approved upon a motion by J Larson; second by Sandy
       Stuart (9-0-0)

IV.    Agenda approval – summary for the week

       Approved upon a motion by R Spronk and second by S Stuart. (9-0-0)

V.     Announcements

       Next WGM is in San Antonio.

       Chair G Grieve is unable to attend this WGM in person.

VI.    Mission Statement Review

       The Mission Statement was reviewed. See Attach 1Q1 -1 Mission and
       Charter. Minor correction to the committee acronym

                                         Action Items
#      Description          Who              History/Update                         Status        Area
       20060109: Fix        Tony Julian      20060109 WGM Phoenix: Added item to    new           Admin
       committee acronym                     fix the InM acronym in the Mission
       and forward to HQ



                                                                              Page 2 of 90
                                            Statement and forward to HL7 HQ.




VII.    Decision Making Practices Modification

        The Decision-Making Practices document was reviewed. See Attach 1Q1-
        2 HL7_INM_DMP_00.

                                            Vote
        SEQ         Key   Motion                           Moved/second   Y-N-A      Comment
                          Replace:                         R Spronk / J   9-0-0
                                                           Larson
                          “This summary will contain, at
                          a minimum, abbreviated
                          summary of the issues
                          involved and the decisions
                          made by the committee. “
                          with
                          “Decisions made as part of
                          the ballot reconciliation
                          process, or as part of the
                          status change of an action
                          item are available in the
                          meeting minutes and in ballot
                          reconciliation packages, both
                          of which are available on the
                          committee’s website.
                          Decisions related to issues in
                          categories other than the
                          above will be presented as an
                          abbreviated summary. All
                          revisited issues will be
                          review.”



                                        Action Items
#       Description         Who             History/Update                              Status   Area
        Forward updated     Tony Julian     20060109 WGM Phoenix: Added item to         new      Admin
        Decision making                     update the InM DMP and forward to HL7
        practices to HQ                     HQ.




VIII.   Summary of Telcon Decisions

        Approved several documents for ballot. However, Shared Messages was
        the only document that actually went to ballot.



                                                                                  Page 3 of 90
IX.       V3 Ballot Overview

          The following reflects Votes, not line items.



      Document         Affirmatives   Negatives    Abstain     Quorum    Pass   Comment
                                                                                pkgs
      Shared           14             8            7           Y         N/15   2
      Messages
      (COMT)

          The ballot did not pass. M vanCampen has prepared suggested motions.
          This will be discussed Tuesday Q 2

X.        V3 Proposal Overview

          The following proposals are on the table for this week

          Proposal 965 from Canada Control Act

          Proposal 968 from UK regarding Control Act

          Proposal 970 from R Spronk– Digital Signature in Control Act. Discuss
          Tuesday Q 4

          Unclear if the RAMP topic is a proposal or not

XI.       XML Issues

          No new issues. Will meet Thursday Q1 as scheduled.

XII.      Adjournment

          The meeting was adjourned at 0945A.M. MST upon a motion by J Larson
          and second by S Stuart



Quarter 2, Monday, January 9, 2006
          Topic: MFMI – Registry Project; Control Act Proposals and Issues
                                              Attendees
     Name                       Affiliation                  E-mail

     Julian, Anthony            Mayo Clinic                  ajulian@mayo.edu
     Pratt, Doug                Siemens                      Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com



                                                                                    Page 4 of 90
    Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH                Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


    Arnett, John                  NHS / CFH UK                 john.arnett@cfh.nhs.uk
    Bennett, Craig                IBM                          cbennett@us.ibm.com
    Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente            paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
    Branch, William               CSC                          wbranch@csc.com
    Donnelly, Michael             Epic Systems Corp            mdonnell@epicsys.com
    Ferris, Christopher           IBM                          christopher@us.ibm.com
    Fine, Steve                   Cerner                       sfine@cerner.com
    Jacobs, Jeff                  Oracle                       jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
    Knapp, Paul                   Continovation                pkknapp@continovation.com
    Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente            sandra.stuart@kp.org



                                                  Agenda
#       Key       Description                                Presenter      Action Needed               Time
1                 Call to Order
2                 Agenda approval
3                 Announcements                                                                         5
4                 Proposal 965 New CMET MF Control
                  Act
5                 Action Item
6                 MFMI – Registry Project
7                 Control Act Proposals
8                 Control Act Issues
9                 Adjournment



                                              Action Items
#       Description               Who              History/Update                              Status       Area
        Proposal 965 – verify     Bob Grant        20060109 WGM                                New          MFMI
        with MNM how this is
        a legal construct.
        Proposal 965 – Bob        Bob Grant        20061009WGM                                 NEW          MFMI
        will send the
        example schema to
        the INM list




                                                                                         Page 5 of 90
     I.     Call to Order

            The meeting was called to order by the chair, Doug Pratt, at 11:01 AM
            MST. Tony Julian was the scribe. Quorum attained.

     II.    Agenda approval

            The agenda was approved as amended upon a motion by Rene and
            second by Sandy. 11-0-0

     III.   Announcements

            There were no announcements.

     IV.    Proposal 965 – CMET for Master File Control

            (Bob Grant) The purpose of this proposal is to allow the generation of an
            audit trail of master file changes by associating the control act that caused
            the registry item to change. Action item was generated due to the
            discussion that the construct is not legal because it violates the one-to-one
            relationship between a attribute and a data type. Bob will return Thursday
            Q4.

     V.     Action Items

                                             Action Items
#           Description            Who            History/Update                              Status   Area
58          20040928: Clean up     Robert Grant   20041118: CQ Telcon: No update              Open     MFMI
            the list of terms                     available
            definitions after
                                                  20050125: Open. Waiting for models to be
            business models
                                                  finalized.
            have been described
                                                  20050503: No change
                                                  20050913: No change. Will be cleaned up
                                                  and packaged with project deliverables.
                                                  20051128_ Telcon No Update
                                                  20060109 No Update
957         20050726: Ensure       Tony Julian    20050726: CQ Telcon: Joann reported that    ??       MFMI
            that previous ballot                  HQ needs for us to include the previously
            name for MFMI                         balloted name in the preface. This
            appears in the                        document was originally balloted as a
            Preface.                              component of the Infrastructure
                                                  Management document which was last



                                                                                       Page 6 of 90
                                        balloted March 2004 as Release 1,
                                        membership level 4.
                                        20060109 Done
1021   20051031 Need to      R Spronk   20051031: Need to add attribute-level          new      MFMI
       add attribute-level              descriptions to HMDs in MFMI Release 2.
       descriptions to                  Created as part of reconciliation of MFMI
       HMDs in MFMI                     R1 M1. Will remain open until MFMI R2
       Release 2.                       goes out for ballot again
                                        20060109 No Update
33     20050128: the         Rene       20050128: CQ WGM Orlando: Added.               New      MCAI
       detectedIssue CMET               When creating the next version of MCAI,
       should be moved to               the detectedIssue CMET should be moved
       the CMET domain,                 to the CMET domain, and not be defined
       and not be defined               locally in MCAI
       locally in MCAI
                                        Pharmacy has a use-case for a message
                                        that shows all controlActs(+detectedIssue)
                                        related to a single order. This can be
                                        implemented today as a shared message.
                                        If implemented as a wrapper this would
                                        require that the tools support stubs with
                                        exit points. (transmission wrapper -
                                        controlAct - order - 1..n - historic control
                                        acts)These issues popped up during a
                                        discussion with the Pharmacy group in
                                        Orlando.
                                        20050319: Open, this hasn’t happened in
                                        ballot 10.
                                        20050505: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: no
                                        information (interested parties not at
                                        meeting)
                                        20051105: Note from Rene: will remain
                                        open until such time where the controlAct
                                        domains will be up for a new release.
                                        20051128 INM Telcon: No update
                                        20060109 No Update – waiting next ballot
                                        cycle
34     20050128: Need to                20050128: CQ WGM Orlando: Added.               New      MCAI
       create a controlAct              Need to create a controlAct wrapper for
       wrapper for “event               “event replay”. Pharmacy has a use-case
       replay”.                         for a message that shows all
                                        controlActs(+detectedIssue) related to a
                                        single order. This can be implemented
                                        today as a shared message. If
                                        implemented as a wrapper this would
                                        require that the tools support stubs with
                                        exit points. (transmission wrapper -
                                        controlAct - order - 1..n - historic control
                                        acts)These issues popped up during a
                                        discussion with the Pharmacy group in
                                        Orlando.



                                                                                 Page 7 of 90
                                              20050505: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: no
                                              information (interested parties not at
                                              meeting)
                                              20051103: Note from Rene: will remain
                                              open until such a time when the control act
                                              domains are up for ballot again. Lloyd
                                              McKenzie will have to provide input in this.
                                              20051128 INM Telcon: No update
                                              20060109 No Update
55           20040927: Check for   Andrew     20040927: New action item.                     Open    MCAI
             vocabulary gaps in    Hinchley
                                              20041109: CQ Telcon: No update. René
             V3 Infrastructure
                                              Spronk will talk to Andrew.
             Management.
                                              20041214: CQ Telcon: No update.
                                              20050127: CQ WGM Orlando: no update
                                              20050501: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:
                                              Andrew wil attempt to create it during the
                                              WGM.
                                              20050505: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: No
                                              information
                                              20050913:CQ WGM: open with guilt.
                                              20051128_ Telcon No Update
                                              20060109 No Update -




     VI.     MFMI – Registry Project

             This project has been officially closed, but there are action items which
             need to be completed.

     VII.    Control Act Proposals

             Proposal 968 from UK related to control act batching. John Arnett.

     VIII.   Control Act Issues

             Additional issues have been posted to the WIKI.

     IX.     Adjournment

             The meeting was adjourned at 12:30 P.M. MST upon a motion by John
             Arnett and second by Sandy Stewart.




                                                                                      Page 8 of 90
Quarter 3, Monday, January 9, 2006
           Topic: Hot Topics Part 1
                                                  Attendees
      Name                          Affiliation                 E-mail

      Pratt, Doug                   Siemens                     Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
      Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH               Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


      Arnett, John                  NHS / CFH UK                john.arnett@cfh.nhs.uk
      Bennett, Craig                IBM                         cbennett@us.ibm.com
      Branch, William               CSC                         wbranch@csc.com
      Donnelly, Michael             Epic Systems Corp           mdonnell@epicsys.com
      Ferris, Christopher           IBM                         christopher@us.ibm.com
      Fine, Steve                   Cerner                      sfine@cerner.com
      Jacobs, Jeff                  Oracle                      jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
      Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente           sandra.stuart@kp.org



                                                   Agenda
#         Key       Description                               Presenter      Action Needed               Time
1                   Call to Order
2                   Agenda approval
3                   Announcements                                                                        5
4                   Open Transmission Issues
5                   Adjournment




I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Doug Pratt, at 13:45 MT.
           Rene Spronk was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval

           Approved upon a motion by Rene and second by Sandy. Unanimous.

III.       Announcements



                                                                                          Page 9 of 90
      None.

IV.   Open Transmission Wrapper Items

Note: text in Italics was taken from the HL7 Wiki. The remainder is part of the
discussion.

      • Message.profileId is a LIST, not a SET. MCCI line item 131.
      Discussion: list of sequential profileIDs that add more and more attributes,
      i.e. allows stripping of of realm extension attributes before schema
      validation.


                                                Vote
      SEQ           Key        Motion                          Moved/second        Y-N-A        Comment
      1                        Motion to change                Rene/Michael        8-0-1        Indirectly closes
                               Message.profileId to a LIST     Donnelly                         MCCI R2 line-
                                                                                                item 131.


      • Change Message.versionCode and Batch.versionCode to be
      mandatory attributes. MCCI line-item 156.

                                                Vote
      SEQ           Key        Motion                          Moved/second        Y-N-A        Comment
      2                        Motion to change                Rene/Sandy          9-0-0        Indirectly closes
                               Message.versionCode and                                          MCCI R2 line-
                               Batch.versionCode to be                                          item 156.
                               mandatory attributes.



      • Procedural: can a new use-case (although in scope of the domain) be
      brought forward in the form of a line-item, and be grounds for a negative
      line-item ? Or should a proposal be brought forward ? - MCCI line item
      171. PIC Issue ? Does this depend on the level of the ballot being
      commented ? Risk that the cycle goes on forever. Acceptable to make a
      use-case suggestion (for things that are missing, use-cases that are not
      covered) as an affirmative line-item.


                                            Action Items
#     Description                Who             History/Update                                    Status     Area
      can a new use-case         Joann           20050109 Discussion: PIC Issue ? Does             New        PIC
      (although in scope of                      this depend on the level of the ballot being
      the domain) be brought                     commented ? Risk that the cycle goes on
      forward in the form of                     forever. Acceptable to make a use-case
      a line-item, and be


                                                                                        Page 10 of 90
    grounds for a negative               suggestion (for things that are missing,
    line-item ? Or should a              use-cases that are not covered) as an
    proposal be brought                  affirmative line-item.
    forward ? - MCCI line
    item 171.




    • How to respond to duplicate Interactions ? How should an HL7
    Application (this is NOT a Messaging Infrastructure question) react to a
    duplicate Interaction ? Reject it ? Send the same response as it has sent
    before ? Simply ignoring a duplicate won't work at the HL7 layer, for we
    have a sending system that may be waiting for a response.

    Discussion: do we want HL7 to prescribe the way to deal with it ? No one
    size fits all solution. Does the way to deal with duplicates depend on
    message infrastructure used ? – No, that just affects the amount of lost
    messages. What is a valid reason to resend with the same message.id ? –
    should one always use a new Message.id on a resend ? Do we need a
    “this is a duplicate of message x” attribute ? Create a list of pro and cons
    of various approaches. Replay messages obviously contains duplicate
    message.ids. Detection of duplicate order (via business ID) is different
    from a duplicate Transmission (message.id). From sender perspective: no
    application response [although one was expected], what should a sender
    do ?


                                     Action Items
#   Description               Who        History/Update                                  Status   Area
    20050109: Create Wiki     Rene       20050109: Discussion: do we want HL7 to         New      MCCI
    paper on approaches to               prescribe the way to deal with it ? No one
    dealing with duplicate               size fits all solution. Does the way to deal
    transmission                         with duplicates depend on message
                                         infrastructure used ? – No, that just affects
                                         the amount of lost messages. What is a
                                         valid reason to resend with the same
                                         message.id ? – should one always use a
                                         new Message.id on a resend ? Do we
                                         need a “this is a duplicate of message x”
                                         attribute ? Create a list of pro and cons of
                                         various approaches. Replay messages
                                         obviously contains duplicate message.ids.
                                         Detection of duplicate order (via business
                                         ID) is different from a duplicate
                                         Transmission (message.id). From sender
                                         perspective: no application response
                                         [although one was expected], what should
                                         a sender do ?




                                                                                 Page 11 of 90
          • The English NHS has defined a requirement to add Manifest Items for
          each Message contained in a batch (e.g. InteractionId, Message.id).
          Others (Mead Walker, Robert Hausam) have come forward with use-
          cases for the inclusion of a BatchTypeCode and time-interval of a Batch
          (e.g. this is a batch containing all invoices from 20050101 up to 20050201)

          This raises the question whether we can define a very lean Transmission
          Wrapper that only contains Transmission oriented issues (and which can
          be omitted in a sevrice oriented architecture), and create a "Manifest" (or:
          "Bill of Lading") class which contains generic versions of the above
          attributes.

          Inclined to use a Manifest key-value pair class to Batch. Value should
          however not affect the semantic interpretation of the clinical payload.

V.        Adjournment

          The meeting was adjourned at 15:00 P.M. MST upon a motion by Michael
          Donnelly and second by Rene.


Quarter 4, Monday, January 9, 2006
          Topic: Conformance Issues; V2 proposals
                                           Attendees
     Name                    Affiliation               E-mail

     Julian, Anthony         Mayo Clinic               ajulian@mayo.edu
     Larson, Joann           Kaiser Permanente         joann.larson@kp.org
     Pratt, Doug             Siemens                   Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com


     Dailey, Linda           Applied Biometrics        appliedbio1@es.com
     Donnelly, Michael       Epic Systems Corp         mdonnell@epicsys.com
     Ebel, Sandra            Siemens                   sandra.ebel@siemens.com
     Ferris, Christopher     IBM                       christopher@us.ibm.com
     Fine, Steve             Cerner                    sfine@cerner.com
     Lyons, John             Siemens                   john.lyons@siemens.com
     Martin, Michael         Clemson LPH               mmartis@clemson.edu
     Oemig, Frank            HL7 Germany               frank@oemig.de
     Stuart, Sandy           Kaiser Permanente         sandra.stuart@kp.org




                                                                                Page 12 of 90
                                               Agenda
    #      Key   Description                                Presenter        Action Needed             Time
    1            Call to Order
    2            Agenda approval – this session
    3            Announcements                                                                         5 (1-3)
    4            Evaluate need for meeting in San
                 Antonio
    5            Action Items                                                                          10
    6            Conformance Issues
    7            v2.6 Ballot Status
    8            V2.7 proposal 438: Add values to           Scott
                 table 0396 (if not already addressed)      Robertson
    9            V2.7 proposal 453: Add value to table      Michael Martin
                 0003 (if not already addressed)
    10           V2.7 proposal ??: Withdraw data type       Jenni
                 IS                                         Puyenbroek
    11           Adjournment




    I.     Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Joann Larson at 3:37 PM
           MST. Tony Julian was the scribe. Quorum attained.

    II.    Agenda approval – this session

           Approved upon a motion by Tony Julian and second by Sandy Stewart.9-
           0-0

    III.   Announcements

           Meeting will be in Sonora Tomorrow.

    IV.    Evaluate need for meeting in San Antonio

           It was determined that there is a need to meet in San Antonio.

    V.     Action Items

                                             Action Items
#          Description           Who              History/Update                              Status        Area



                                                                                       Page 13 of 90
32    20050127: CQ             CQ co-chairs   20050127: CQ WGM Orlando: Added. Ask             Open    conform
      WGM: ask the                            the Conformance SIG to work on a
      Conformance SIG to                      dynamic discovery message for supported
      work on a dynamic                       features by the receiver (profile ids,
      discovery message                       application roles, interactions,
      for supported                           responseModeCodes)
      features by the
                                              20050502: Clarified that this is v3, not v2.
      receiver (profile ids,
                                              Len Gallagher has been writing a white
      application roles,
                                              paper on the dynamic model which may
      interactions,
                                              have some bearing on this item.
      responseModeCode
      s)                                      20050914: Conformance says they do not
                                              do this; only have conformance for V2.
                                              20050916: Rene says move to MnM. They
                                              are responsible for conformance in v3. The
                                              discussion may lead to the conclusion that
                                              we don't want to cover this, but that we
                                              want to leave this to services such as
                                              UDDI.
                                              20050916: To be reviewed in Phoenix.
                                              20060509 WGM:Closed – New item to
                                              inform M&M
107   20050502: provide        Lisa           20050502: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: Will           Open    conform
      list of terms            Carnahan       provide list of terms
                                              20050912:CQ WGM SanDiego. Lisa not
                                              present – will review.
                                              20051128 INM Telcon: will review in
                                              Phoenix.
                                              0050127: CQ WGM: ask the Conformance
                                              SIG to work on a dynamic discovery
                                              message for supported features by the
                                              receiver (profile ids, application roles,
                                              interactions, responseModeCodes)
                                              20060509 InM WGM: Will discuss in San
                                              Antonio
108   20050502: Provide        Lisa           20050502: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:                Open    conform
      definition for realm     Carnahan
                                              20050912:CQ WGM SanDiego. Lisa not
                                              present – will review.
                                              20051128 INM Telcon: will review in
                                              Phoenix.
                                              20060509 InM WGM: Will be using
                                              “context of use” instead of realm.
                                              Will discuss in San Antonio
179   20050112:                               20050112: Added by Larson following              Open    v2
      Add/register two new                    receipt of email from Bob Dolin on as
      MIME types                              follows: “We’ve created two new MIME
                                              types for use with structured documents
                                              that we’d like to officially register with CQ.



                                                                                       Page 14 of 90
                                The first (text/x-hl7-text+xml) is used to
                                constrain Act.text. The second (text/x-hl7-
                                title+xml) is used to constrain Act.title,
                                which was changed from ST to ED
                                datatype at the last harmonization
                                meeting. Each of these types are
                                undergoing ballot - the former is part of
                                CDA and SPL, the latter is part of SPL.
                                Can you let me know how to proceed?.”
                                Later conversation with Bob revealed
                                these 2 new MIME types were heard and
                                approved in RIM Harmonization. What do
                                we do with them now? Is this a v3 or a v2
                                issue or both? Should these items be
                                added to v2 t Imported Table 0834 “MIME
                                Types” for use in component 3 “Type of
                                Data” in the RP Reference Pointer data
                                type? If so, it would be an HL7 added
                                value to an external table. Or, should it be
                                added to External Table 0291 “Subtype of
                                Referenced Data” as an HL7
                                enhancement. It would live there alongside
                                our other HL7 enhancement “x-hl7-cda-
                                level-one” for use in component 4
                                “Subtype” of the RP data type. Ordinarily
                                we require a proposal before adding
                                values to tables.
                                Perhaps this is strictly a v3 issue? If so,
                                where are these values registered?
                                Are these even Vocab issues?
                                20050126: CQ/Vocab WGM: Add them to
                                v2.7. Grahame will add to the data types
                                document for release 2.
                                20050504: CQ/Vocab WGM
                                Noordwijkerhout: Confirmed that these are
                                planned for v2.7 and release 2 of v3 data
                                types.
                                20050916: Need to confirm that these
                                changes are on the change list for 2.7 and
                                for V3 Data Types
                                20051128 INM Telcon: Paul will talk to Bob
                                about text/x-hl7-text+xml. Doug will take
                                on for V2.
                                20060509 InM WGM: Doug will be doing
                                for 2.7
20060104 Resolve if   D Pratt   20051129: e-mail from Alberto Sáez              new      v2
reference to CNS                Torres who wrote:
data type is                    5) Page 2-138 Section 2.A.9.9. Data type
incorrect.                      CNN (composite ID number and name
                                simplified)



                                                                         Page 15 of 90
                                             In this element there are some
                                             references to a data type “CNS”, which
                                             in my opinion is the “CNN” data type
                                             20060509 InM WGM: Doug will examine
                                             this
       20060104 Check          D Pratt       20051129: e-mail from Alberto Sáez           New      v2
                     rd
       accuracy of 3                         Torres who wrote:
       example for NA data                   6) Page 2-175 Section 2.A.45 P. Data
       type                                  type NA (Numeric Array)
                                              The first component is declared as
                                             “REQUIRED” (field OPT of the
                                             components table) but in the 3º example,
                                             it’s shown as non-present
                                             (|^2^3^4~5^^^8~9^10~~17^18^19^20|))
                                             ¿This is an error in the example, the OPT
                                             or in my understanding?
                                             20060509 InM WGM:Doug will examine
                                             this
15     20050124: For           Tony Julian   20050124: CQ WGM Orlando: Motion             Open     V2
       Version 2.7, add                      approved
       language to Chapter
                                             20050506: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: edit
       2 to the effect that
                                             needs to be done in 2.7
       “CQ does not
       express an opinion                    20050826: Larson: this item needs a
       at this time on the                   proposal submitted to the v2 database and
       restarting of set IDs                 then it can be closed.
       relative to groups or
       message.”                             20051128 CQ Telcon: This cannot be
                                             done until V2.7 is opened.
                                             20060509 InM WGM: This cannot be done
                                             until V2.7 is opened.
975    20050914 Add            Tony          20050914 San Diego WGM: Add religious        open     v2
       religious affiliation                 affiliation codes to 396
       codes to 396
                                             20051128 INM Telcon: Content will be in
                                             the V 2.6 Ballot
                                             Closed: Content is in 2.6 ballot
976    20050914 Doug to        Doug          20050914 San Diego WGM: MMS Doug             open     v2
       submit the stronger                   Pratt/Sandy Stuart that the joint working
       text for version 2.7.                 group encourage Doug to submit the
                                             stronger text for version 2.7. 11-0-1
                                             20051128 INM Telcon: Doug will submit
                                             2.7 Proposal
                                             20060509 InM WGM: Doug will submit 2.7
                                             Proposal


1015   20051010: INM           Ted           20051010: INM Telcon: Follow-up with         open     v2
       Telcon: Follow-up       Klein/Tony    Vocab on proposal 438 to add new values



                                                                                   Page 16 of 90
       with Vocab on          Julian     to table 0396 to support ePrescribing
       proposal 438 to add               proposal.
       new values to table
                                         20051011: E-mail sent " Colleagues: Do
       0396 to support
                                         you wish to add these values to table396
       ePrescribing
                                         in V2.6 to support ePrescibingproposal"
       proposal
                                         including proposal 438.
                                         20060509 InM WGM: Sandy: Ted will take
                                         care of the proposal.
1027   20051129 Fix           T Julian   20051129: Fix Escape Character                   open     v2
       Escape Character                  reference to v2 ED data type discovered
       reference to v2 ED                issue, from e-mail from Alberto Sáez
       data type                         Torres.
                                         Page 2-13 , in Figure 2-1. “Delimiter
                                         values” The paragraph: “Escape character
                                         for use with any field represented by an
                                         ST, TX or FT data type, or for use with the
                                         data (fourth) component of the ED data
                                         type.” Should say (in my opinion) “?or for
                                         use with the data (fifth) component of the
                                         ED data type”
                                         20051129: T Julian: Research indicates
                                         that this has been wrong since the figure
                                         was included. I suggest that this is a
                                         technical correction – From Substantivity
                                         Guide: Technical corrections that
                                         implement the original intent of the
                                         committee. For example, if a committee
                                         meant to add an attribute to one segment,
                                         and it was mistakenly added to another;
                                         this can be fixed.
                                         E-mail sent to INM and ARB lists to solicit
                                         opinion
                                         20060509 InM WGM: Follow up with ARB.
                                         20060509 InM WGM: Also NEW action
                                         item
1028   20051129 Change        T Julian   20051129 Change v2 maximum length to             Closed   V2
       v2 maximum length                 be non-normative, suggested by an e-mail
       to be non-normative,              from Alberto Sáez Torres who wrote: “In
                                         Chapter 2.5.3.2 “The maximum length is
                                         not of conceptual importance in the
                                         abstract message or the HL7 coding rules.
                                         The length of a field is normative.” Should
                                         say “..The length of a field is not
                                         normative.” (In my opinion)”
                                         20051129: email response from J Larson: I
                                         believe it would be a substantive change to
                                         insert the word NOT since the ARB has
                                         ruled that length changes are substantive.
                                         As we know, not everyone has agreed with
                                         this ruling, but it is the one we need to live



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                                           with.
                                           20051129: T Julian: Research indicates
                                           that the text ‘The length of a field is
                                           normative’ has been in the standard since
                                           2.3. I will communicate with “Older”
                                           members of INM/CQ to gather their
                                           understanding.
                                           E-mail sent to INM and ARB lists to solicit
                                           opinion
                                           20060104: Joann Larson (an older
                                           member of InM): I would say that this is a
                                           moot point at present because InM
                                           approved proposal #435 regarding the
                                           removal of “maximum length” from the
                                           chapters at the San Diego WGM
                                           20050916 by a vote of 6-0-1. Length will
                                           be addressed in chapter 2B and in
                                           implementation specs. Changes will be
                                           made to the narrative as needed. In v.7 we
                                           will be balloting this proposed change.
                                           20060509 InM WGM: closed in lieu of 435.
1029   20051129 Fix          D Pratt       20051129: e-mail from Alberto Sáez            Closed   v2
       discrepancy between                 Torres who wrote “Page 2-239. In the Data
       XTN component                       Type Chapter, the components table for
       table and narrative                 XTN (Extended Telecommunication
                                           Number) doesn’t correspond with the text
                                           description. Page 2-239.
                                           20060104: J Larson. The component table
                                           and narrative are correct in v.6. There was
                                           a formatting/numbering problem in v2.5.
                                           Component 5 should have been "Country",
                                           but it inadvertently got embedded in the
                                           note for component 4. Is this ready to be
                                           closed or should we consider noting an
                                           erratum for v2.5?
                                           Email sent to A Torres.
                                           20060509 InM WGM: closed
1030   20051129 Change       Frank Oemig   20051129: e-mail from Alberto Sáez            new      v2
       cardinality of MSG                  Torres who wrote: “In the MSG data type
       Data Type in v2.XML                 description (message type, used in MSH-
       specification                       9) it is said that all the components
                                           (message code, message trigger,
                                           message structure) are required, but the
                                           schema marks all of them as optional. So,
                                           the schema should be change from: … “
                                           20051129 T Julian: Pending further
                                           information. Change cardinality of MSG
                                           Data Type in v2.XML specification
                                           20051129: A Torres: Actually, the MSG-
                                           data type is described in section 2.A.44 of



                                                                                  Page 18 of 90
                                              Chapter 2A, Page 2-175, but the error is
                                              located in the XSD and DTD files for
                                              Version 2.5. The XSD affected file is
                                              “datatypes.xsd” and the DTD file is
                                              “datatypes.dtd”. This is the reason why I’ve
                                              CC-ed this message to the XML list.
                                              According to the MSG data type, the line
                                              from datatype.dtd): <!ENTITY % MSG
                                              “(MSG.1?,MSG.2?,MSG.3?)”> Should be
                                              changed (in my opinion) to <!ENTITY %
                                              MSG “(MSG.1,MSG.2,MSG.3)”>
                                              20060509 InM WGM: Frank will look at this
       Cleanup the escape       Frank Oemig   Change the escape usage language.
       sequence language
       20050127: CQ             MnM
       WGM: ask the
       Conformance SIG to
       work on a dynamic
       discovery message
       for supported
       features by the
       receiver (profile ids,
       application roles,
       interactions,
       responseModeCode
       s)
       Add event type R25       Tony          20060509 InM WGM: Add event type R25
       to Table 0003 in v2.6                  to Table 0003 in v2.6 as a technical
       as a technical                         correction.
       correction.




VI.    Conformance Issues

       Continuing to work on the ballot.

VII.   V2.6 Ballot Status

       We have options depending on circumstances:

       1. Go to MB3 – but, we do not have all of the reconciliation packages
          which ANSI rules require.

       2. We drop ANSI, and go to MB3.

       3. Declare all three ballots as non-existent. In May we go to Committee
          1. We include all content for 2.7.




                                                                                    Page 19 of 90
        Decision will be made at v2 publishing on Thursday.

VIII.   V2.7 proposal 438:

        Tony will be following up with Ted.

                                          Vote
        SEQ        Key   Motion                        Moved/second   Y-N-A   Comment
                         Add external references to
                         X12 and NCPDP code sets in
                         HL7 Table 0396 to support
                         ePrescribing initiatives




IX.     V2.7 proposal 453



                                          Vote
        SEQ        Key   Motion                        Moved/second   Y-N-A   Comment
                         Add event type R25 to Table   Mike           9-0-0   Action item has
                         0003 in v2.6 as a technical   Martin/Sandy           been created for
                         correction.                   Stewart                Tony.




X.      V2.7 proposal nn

        Part of the proposal is to do the research. We will contact Jenni for further
        clarification.

                                          Vote
        SEQ        Key   Motion                        Moved/second   Y-N-A   Comment
                         Withdraw data type IS




XI.     Adjournment

        The meeting was adjourned at 4:39 P.M. MSTT upon a motion by Doug
        Pratt and second by Sandy.




                                                                          Page 20 of 90
Quarter 1, Tuesday, January 10, 2006
           Topic: Transmission Infrastructure (MCCI) Ballot Reconciliation and
           Issues
                                                  Attendees
      Name                          Affiliation                 E-mail

      Julian, Anthony               Mayo Clinic                 ajulian@mayo.edu
      Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH               Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


      Bennett, Craig                IBM                         cbennett@us.ibm.com
      Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente           paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
      Branch, William               CSC                         wbranch@csc.com
      Donnelly, Michael             Epic                        mdonnell@epicsys.com
      Fine, Steve                   Cerner                      sfine@cerner.com
      Jacobs, Jeff                  Oracle                      jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
      Shaver, Dave                  NEO TOOL                    Dave.Shaver@neotool.com
      Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente           sandra.stuart@kp.org
      Tucker, Mark                  Regenstrief                 mtucker@regenstrief.org



                                                   Agenda
#         Key       Description                               Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
1                   Call to Order
2                   Agenda approval
3                   Announcements                                                                         5
4                   Action Items
5                   MCCI Issues list - Transmission
                    Infrastructure (MCCI) Ballot
                    Reconciliation
6                   Adjournment


I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Tony Julian, at 09:05 AM
           MST. Rene Spronk was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval


                                                                                          Page 21 of 90
           Approved upon a motion by Paul Biron and second by Sandy.

    III.   Announcements

               None.

    IV.    Action Items

                                             Action Items
#          Description             Who           History/Update                                  Status   Area
109        20050503: Suggest       Kepa          20050503: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:               Open     MCCI
           that Claims                           Suggest that Claims Attachments develops
           Attachments                           a proposal for modification to the
           develops a proposal                   attachmentClass and advance it for
           for modification to                   harmonization. (Kepa)
           the attachmentClass
           and advance it for
           harmonization.                        20050915 no progress
                                                 20051128 INM Telcon: Move to MCCI
                                                 20050110: WGM: INM chairs to contact
                                                 the SIG to ask how they would like to
                                                 move this forward
110        20050503: Complete      Charlie       20050503: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:               Open     MCCI
           the documentation       McCay         Complete the documentation for Option #2
           for Option #2 and                     and resolve the format of the URN. Option
           resolve the format of                 #2 reads as follows: “The downside is that
           the URN                               we have to define our own URN
                                                 namespace, but we have already done
                                                 that. Option #2 gives us the most flexibility
                                                 to meet the requirements above. (though
                                                 the urn would not actually use the
                                                 representation shown in the attached
                                                 document). We would add a new section
                                                 following the extension to allow for
                                                 references into the resource identified by
                                                 the root/extension combination”.
                                                 20050915 no progress
                                                 20051128 INM Telcon: Move to MCCI
                                                 20050110: WGM: Probably URI instead of
                                                 URN – related to IIRef discussion. No
                                                 update.
111        20050502:               Grahame       20050502: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:               Closed   MCCI
           Determine if            Grieve        after further discussion with MnM: do we
           versionCode should                    need to make versionCode mandatory ?
           be mandatory                          Required once we have multiple
                                                 versions/Editions.
                                                 20050815: CQ Telcon: Assign to Grahame




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                                            20050913: CQ WGM: open, need MnM to
                                            make recommendations as to versioning.
                                            20051128 INM Telcon: Move to MCCI
                                            20050110: WGM: Has been made
                                            mandatory. Close.
178    20050110 Guidelines    Charlie       20050110: email received from Charlie          Open    MCCI
       for Attachments        McCay         McCay to reinstate item nbr 935. entered
       proposal status                      as new item instead.
                                            20050505: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:
                                            Gregor has produced some
                                            documentation. Need agenda time at the
                                            next meeting.
                                            20050915 Need agenda time at Scottsdale
                                            meeting
                                            20051128 INM Telcon Move to MCCI
                                            20050110: WGM: still open, Charlie
                                            McKay has stated he’ll work with INM to
                                            solve this within a reasonable time.
958    20050726: Ensure       Tony Julian   20050726: CQ Telcon: Joann reported that       open    MCCI
       that previous ballot                 HQ needs for us to include the previously
       name for MCCI                        balloted name in the preface. This
       appears in the                       document was originally balloted as a
       Preface.                             component of the Infrastructure
                                            Management document which was last
                                            balloted March 2004 as Release 1,
                                            membership level 4.
                                            20050913: CQ WGM San Diego: no
                                            update.
                                            20051128 INM Telcon: will be applied on
                                            next ballot.
                                            20050110: WGM: item will remain open as
                                            a reminder to the editor of the next release
                                            of MCCI.
978    20050915Add a new      Penny         20050915 San Diego WGM: New action             Open    MCCI
       batch group class to   Aitchison     item. Work to add a new batch group class
       the batch                            to the batch transmission wrapper. The
       transmission                         new class will contain attributes such as
       wrapper.                             batch ID. A new sequence number needs
                                            to be added to the current batch class as
                                            well. New dynamic models, interactions,
                                            etc. need to be documented.
                                            20051128 INM Telcon: Move to MCCI,
                                            discuss in Phoenix.
                                            20060110: WGM: No update.
1019   20051024: Add          R Spronk      20051024: Add Message Adapter and              Open    MCCI
       Message Adapter                      Interaction Patterns as used in MCCI to
       and Interaction                      the Glossary. MCCI R2 C1 Ballot



                                                                                   Page 23 of 90
       Patterns as used in      reconcillation, database Items 4 and 5.
       MCCI to the
                                Work with pubs to add definitions to the
       Glossary. MCCI R2
                                glossary.
       C1 Ballot
       reconcillation,          20051126: See INM Glossary for draft
       database Items 4         definitions. Need definitions first, then talk
       and 5                    to pubs about adding them to the glossary
                                20060110: WGM: No update, Wiki
                                contains draft descriptions..
1020   20051024:                20051024: Harmonize V3 Guide                     new     MCCI
       Harmonize V3 Guide       descriptions of Wrappers with the current
       descriptions of          infrastructure ballot. MCCI R2 C1 Ballot
       Wrappers with the        Reconcillation of database Item 14.
       current infrastructure
                                This new release of MCCI is (by the very
       ballot. MCCI R2 C1
                                fact that it is a new release) out of sync
       Ballot Reconcillation
                                with the v3guide. Work with publishing to
       of database Item 14.
                                change the v3guide.
                                20060110: WGM: No update.
1023   20051031 Work out        20051031 Work out how context                    Close   MCCI
       how context              conduction applies between Batch
       conduction applies       Transmission Wrapper and Message
       between Batch            Transmission Wrapper, need to take this
       Transmission             up with MnM. Results from MCCI ballot
       Wrapper and              rec. item 117.
       Message
                                20051127: René Spronk posed question to
       Transmission
                                MnM List
       Wrapper, need to
       take this up with        Response from L McKenzie (Summarized)
       MnM. Results from        we need an explicit statement that Child
       MCCI ballot rec. item    transmissions inherit all elements of the
       117.                     parent transmission unless explicityl
                                overridden, such as sender, receiver,
                                attachments, transmission time, etc.
                                Suggest INM submits a harmonization
                                proposal to make this update next time
                                around.
                                Response from G Grieve: The [scanty]
                                discussion on context conduction in the
                                RIM implies that conduction is implicit
                                everywhere, but only controlled on the act.
                                – Rene: this would mean context
                                conduction is already present in
                                transmissions by default.
                                Response from L McKenzie: There should
                                definitely be a harmonization proposal.
                                The default is that if no conduction is
                                documented, the receiver makes their best
                                guess. Obviously that’s not a good way for
                                a standard to behave.
                                René : suggest that INM approve the
                                following motion: “Child transmissions



                                                                         Page 24 of 90
                                       inherit all elements of the Parent
                                       transmission unless explicityl overridden,
                                       such as sender, receiver, attachments,
                                       transmission time, etc. This is applicable to
                                       (but not limited to) Messages contained in
                                       a Batch. The RIM and the MCCI domain
                                       will be updated to reflect this.”
                                       20060110: WGM: Motion: “Child
                                       transmissions inherit all elements of
                                       the Parent transmission unless
                                       explicitly overridden, such as sender,
                                       receiver, attachments, transmission
                                       time, etc. This is applicable to (but not
                                       limited to) Messages [interactions with
                                       a Message-class entry-point] contained
                                       in a Batch [interactions with a Batch-
                                       class entry-point]. The RIM and the
                                       MCCI domain will be updated to reflect
                                       this.” and to create a harmonization
                                       proposal to support this principle.
                                       (Rene/Sandy, 9-0-0)
                                       20060110: WGM: Close this action item.




V.   Transmission Infrastructure (MCCI) Ballot Reconciliation

     The following MCCI R2 C1 line-items were discussed and/or voted upon:

                                       Vote
     SEQ       Key   Motion                           Moved/second       Y-N-A     Comment
               131   Motion to find persuasive.       Rene/Michael       9-0-0
                                                      Donnelly
               156   Motion to find persuasive and    Rene/Sandy         10-0-0
                     to make versionCode
                     mandatory in MCCI R2 in
                     both the Message as well as
                     the Batch classes.
               168   Motion to find persuasive,       Rene/Sandy         10-0-0    Create action
                     INM will put forward a                                        item for
                     harmonization proposal to                                     harmonization
                     explicitely state in the RIM                                  proposal
                     that there is context
                     conduction between
                     transmission wrappers. MCCI
                     material should point out what
                     consequences this has for
                     senders and receivers of
                     batches.



                                                                              Page 25 of 90
                 150        Motion to find persausive with   Rene/Sandy        10-0-0
                            mod. Storyboards are self-
                            contained pieces of text,
                            which may mean there is
                            some duplication of other
                            contents in this topic.
                            Storyboards are not
                            normative, whereas
                            introductions are. Add to the
                            storyboard "As mentioned in
                            the introduction..".
                 154                                                                    Discussed, not
                                                                                        voted upon. An
                                                                                        action item was
                                                                                        created.
                 155        Motion to find persuasive,       Rene/Paul Biron   10-0-0
                            update reference to "MCCI"
                            D-MIM
                 68                                                                     No motion.
                                                                                        Discussion
                                                                                        whether we
                                                                                        should add an
                                                                                        attribute to
                                                                                        Batch to
                                                                                        explicitly request
                                                                                        a certain
                                                                                        application
                                                                                        response
                                                                                        behaviour (add
                                                                                        to MCCI
                                                                                        proposals) ?
                                                                                        Response to
                                                                                        question: this is
                                                                                        a valid point, ack
                                                                                        responsibilities
                                                                                        have to be
                                                                                        addressed.




                                          Action Items
#   Description               Who             History/Update                               Status     Area
    Create and forward a      Rene            20060110: new.                               New        MCCI
    harmonization
    proposal to
    explicitely state in
    the RIM that there is
    context conduction
    between
    transmission



                                                                                   Page 26 of 90
      wrappers.
      Create a textual        Paul Biron       20060110. Based on MCCI R2 C1 Line           New     MCCI
      description for Batch                    item 154.
      Response trigger
      events                                   The sending of a Response Batch may be
                                               triggered by many things, such as : the
                                               receipt of a batch, the receipt of a
                                               message, or as a result of a subscription.
                                               Therefore the trigger is a) not always
                                               interaction based, b) not always based on
                                               a batch interaction.
                                               During the WGM discussion as to what a
                                               proper name/discussion should be didn’t
                                               lead to any good candidates.



      Question (not related to a line-item): Is there a need for a general
      mechanism for chunking large messages as well as batches. (UK: max
      25Mb size of individual transactions)

      Discussion: Chunking is mostly at transport level (re-assemble at recving
      end), or at application level ? NHS uses 1 query, followed by a series ofd
      chunked responses. Bandwith problem that can be solved by the
      standard. Add max byte size in query ? Is ITS Dependent, but so what ?
      problematic with ITS transformation. Paul Biron: may be use-cases where
      one wants to explicitly convey that the response needs to be according to
      another ITS. If we don’t do this in v3, need to document why.



      Remaining MCCI issues were not discussed due to a lack of time.

VI.   Adjournment

      The meeting was adjourned at 10:31 A.M. MST upon a motion by Paul B.
      and second by Mark Tucker.


Quarter 2, Tuesday, January 10, 2006
      Topic: Shared Messages Ballot Reconciliation and Issues
                                            Attendees
  Name                        Affiliation                 E-mail

  Larson, Joann               Kaiser Permanente           joann.larson@kp.org
  Spronk, René                Ringholm GmbH               Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl




                                                                                    Page 27 of 90
      Bennett, Craig                IBM                      cbennett@us.ibm.com
      Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente        paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
      Branch, William               CSC                      wbranch@csc.com
      Churin, John                  Oracle                   john.churin@oracle.com
      Donnelly, Michael             Epic                     mdonnell@epicsys.com
      Ferris, Christopher           IBM                      christopher@us.ibm.com
      Fine, Steve                   Cerner                   sfine@cerner.com
      Honey, Alan                   Kaiser Permanente        alan.p.honey@kp.org
      Jacobs, Jeff                  Oracle                   jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
      Ruggeri, Roberto              Microsoft                rruggeri@microsoft.com
      Shaver, Dave                  NEO TOOL                 Dave.Shaver@neotool.com
      Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente        sandra.stuart@kp.org
      Tucker, Mark                  Regenstrief              mtucker@regenstrief.org



                                                  Agenda
#         Key       Description                            Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
1                   Call to Order
2                   Agenda approval
3                   Announcements                                                                      5
4                   Action Items
5                   Shared Messages Ballot
                    Reconciliation
6                   Shared Messages issues
7                   Adjournment


I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Joann Larson, at 11:05 AM
           MST. Rene Spronk was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval

           Approved upon a motion by Rene and second by Sandy. Unanimous.

III.       Announcements



                                                                                       Page 28 of 90
           None.

IV.    Action Items

                                             Action Items
#     Description                Who             History/Update                                Status   Area
961   20050811: Develop          Michael v       20050811: Julian: Developing a list of        New      COMT
      a list of basic criteria   Campen          basic criteria for shared messages, so that
      for shared                                 shared messages doesn’t end up being a
      messages,                                  dumping ground. Perhaps a topic in MCCI
                                                 R2?
                                                 20050811: CQ requests more details.
                                                 Lloyd will provide them to Tony, and we
                                                 will discuss the topic in San Diego. Lloyd
                                                 to start a discussion thread about “undo”
                                                 on MnM list server. Rene will bring forward
                                                 notification interactions shared messages.
                                                 Hope to publish shared messages in
                                                 January cycle. Lloyd to offer help with
                                                 shared messages publication database
                                                 20050811: Lloyd added a fifth: sending out
                                                 a “broadcast” message – such as a user
                                                 notification that the system is going down
                                                 in 5 minutes, etc. Lloyd needs to forward
                                                 this last one to CQ.
                                                 20050913: CQ WGM San Diego: no
                                                 update.
                                                 20051128 INM Telcon: no update.
                                                 20060110: INM WGM: Michael van
                                                 Campen will create a list of candidates to
                                                 be included/excluded. Rene will assist.
      20050915 Develop           Michael         20050915 San Diego WGM: Develop               Closed   MT
      alternatives/solutions     (Pharmacy)      alternatives/solutions for 962.1 (Domain
      for 962.1 (Domain          Rene            specific masking). Also for other shared
      specific masking)          (shared         messages items.
                                 messages)
      Also for other shared                      20060110: INM WGM: has been included
      messages items.                            in ballot, close item.




V.     Shared Messages Ballot Reconciliation



      29 line items in total. Michael van Campen has prepared suggested motions
      for 22 items.




                                                                                       Page 29 of 90
                              Vote
SEQ   Key   Motion                            Moved/second   Y-N-A    Comment
      2     Motion to find persuasive, as     Michael van    9-0-0    International
            above. (which reads: This is      Campen/Sandy            models = non-
            used to sort the attributes,      Stuart                  realm-specific
            using tooling to extract the                              models =
            attributes according to A, B,                             universal realm
            C, etc. Suggest this be
            removed for international
            models.)
      4     Find persuasive and will          Michael van    9-0-0
            change patientName class to       Campen/Sandy
            optional                          Stuart
            Realms/implementations can
            make this class mandatory if
            they choose.
      5     Move to find this persuasive.     Michael van    9-0-0
            Create action item for Michael    Campen/Sandy
            to complete the walkthrough.      Stuart
      6     Move to find this persuasive.     Michael van    9-0-0
            Create action item for Michael    Campen/Sandy
            to complete the walkthrough.      Stuart
      8     Motion to find this item non-     Michael van    8-0-0
            persuasive as there are           Campen/Sandy
            requirements for this attribute   Stuart
            to be recorded/assocated
            with an annotation and need
            to be returned on a query
            response. It was assumed
            that the service delivery
            location was included in the
            control act on the Record
            Annotation, but has
            subsequently been
            discovered that it was not in
            the Record Annotation
            interaction. Will create a
            follow on action item to add
            service delivery location in
            the Record Annotation model.


            Friendly amendment: Will add
            clarifying wording for using
            service delivery location in
            the context of patient
            annotations to the model
            walkthroughs. MvC/SS
            second.
      9     Find non-persuasive as                           Tabled
            payloads are not necessary                       – no
            for application


                                                                 Page 30 of 90
     acknowledgements (accept or                      vote.
     refuse). MvC/LC second.


     This reflects current practice.
     However, there is discussion
     by INM (scheduled for Friday
     Q3 in Phoenix) that is
     reviewing this practice.
     Current thinking is that one
     has to have a payload Act to
     establish a link at the
     business-process level as
     well as via Transmission.id.
     Open issue: what if message
     has no Act.id value, what is
     the value of having an act in
     the response payload.
     Motion tabled. Pending
     review of this requirement.
14   Motion to find this item          Michael van    11-0-2
     persuasive, but change the        Campen/Sandy
     mood code from EVN to DEF         Stuart
     (and not add the optional act
     id).
     Friendly amendment: Add
     explanatory documentation to
     the model walkthrough
15   Assume balloter would like to     Michael van    7-0-6
     remove the class because          Campen/Sandy
     there appears to be no            Stuart
     generic use case. Find the
     recommendation to remove
     the entity to be non-
     persuasive, as there are non-
     pharmacy use cases which
     require this type of masking.
     Non-pharmacy use case will
     be added as a new
     storyboard.
16   Find persuasive and restrict      Michael van    11-0-2
     mood code of focal act from       Campen/Sandy
     ActMoodCompletionTrack to         Stuart
     RQO as per rationale above.
     (which reads: Will be fixed to
     RQO, as it is used in request
     interactions.)
22   Find persuasive. Will add         Michael van    9-0-1
     service delivery location to      Campen/Sandy
     Record Annotation.                Stuart
3    Find persuasive and remove        Michael van    13-0-0   International
     all attribute lengths from        Campen/Sandy            models = non-


                                                          Page 31 of 90
                         Shared Messages in the        Stuart                       realm-specific
                         international models.                                      models =
                                                                                    universal realm



       Discussion related to line-item 29: was this an extension to the Datatype ?
       Looks like a Canadian extension to tooling. MnM needs to discuss whether
       length constraints are desirable.



VI.     Shared Messages issues

        No issues were discussed due to a lack of time.

VII.    Adjournment

        The meeting was adjourned at 12:35 P.M. MST upon a motion by Michael
        Connelly and second by Sandy.



Quarter 3, Tuesday, January 10, 2006
        Topic: Joint Meeting with Healthcare Services Specification Project
        (HSSP)
                                         Attendees
  Name                     Affiliation               E-mail

  Julian, Anthony          Mayo Clinic               ajulian@mayo.edu
  Larson, Joann            Kaiser Permanente         joann.larson@kp.org
  Pratt, Doug              Siemens                   Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com


  Bennett, Craig           IBM                       cbennett@us.ibm.com
  Biron, Paul              Kaiser Permanente         paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
  Branch, William          CSC                       wbranch@csc.com
  Chadwick, Mike           Kaiser Permanente         michael.g.chadwick@kp.org
  Donnelly, Michael        Epic                      mdonnell@epicsys.com
  Ferris, Christopher      IBM                       christopher@us.ibm.com
  Fine, Steve              Cerner                    sfine@cerner.com
  Frankel, Heath           Ocean Informatics         heath@frankelinformatics.com



                                                                              Page 32 of 90
     Fukinaga, Mizuki             Protocol )ne, Inc           mizukif@protocol-one.co.jp
     Honey, Alan                  Kaiser Permanente           alan.p.honey@kp.org
     Kawamoto, Kensaku            Duke University             kawam001@mc.duke.edu
     Kumar, Manoj                 BCBS of Florida             manoj.kumar@BCBSFL
     Larsen, Ed                   E R Larsen, Inc             e.larsen@ix.netcom.com
     Lowe, Andy                   Dmetrix                     andy1@dmetrix.com
     Lyons, John                  Siemens                     john.lyons@siemens.com
     Murray, David                Siemens                     david.a.murray@seimens.com
     Obayashi, Masaharu           Kanrikogatu-Ltd             obayashi@kthree.co.jp
                                  HL7 Finland/University of
     Porrasmaa, Jari              Kuopio                      Jari.Porrasmaa@uku.fi
     Rubin, Ken                   EDS Corporation             ken.rubin@eds.com
     Ruggeri, Roberto             Microsoft                   rruggeri@microsoft.com
     Shaver, Dave                 NEO TOOL                    Dave.Shaver@neotool.com
     Shields, Jeff                NHS CFH                     jeffrey.shields@cfh.nhs.uk
     Stuart, Sandy                Kaiser Permanente           sandra.stuart@kp.org
                                  Gordon Point Informatics    Michael.vanCampen@Gpinformatic
     vanCampen, Michael           Ltd                         s.com
     Wood, Robert                 NEHTA - Australia           robert.Wood@health.gov.au




                                                 Agenda
#        Key      Description                             Presenter        Action Needed                   Time
1                 Call to Order
2                 Agenda approval
3                 Announcements                                                                            5
7                 Evaluate need for joint meeting in
                  San Antonio
4                 Action Items
5                 HSSP Overview and Status
6                 InM/HSSP Boundary
8                 Adjournment




I.        Call to Order


                                                                                           Page 33 of 90
       The meeting was called to order by the chair, Doug Pratt at 1347 PM
       MST. Joann Larson was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.    Agenda approval

       Approved as re-sequenced upon a motion by Joann Larson and second
       by Sandy Stuart. (20-0-0)

III.   Announcements

       None

IV.    Action Items

                                         Action Items
#      Description            Who            History/Update                                   Status   Area
42     20050308: Present      Darius K       20050308: CQ Telcon: Need to have                open     HSSP
       introduction to                       discussion of service oriented transport.
       Services Oriented                     Darius K agreed to put together a
       Transport and gain                    presentation
       approval to continue
                                             20050315: This is a new work item. It was
       work
                                             suggested on the transport list that service
                                             oriented transports such as JMS or
                                             Webservices offer a lot more functionality
                                             than just a "transport". Should we create a
                                             new ITS and/or Transport to fully use the
                                             services offered by these environments?
                                             Darius took the group through a slide show
                                             presentation he had prepared.
                                             20050322: CQ Telcon: Change item
                                             description from “Service Oriented
                                             Transport” to a description that reflects the
                                             action to be taken. The initial presentation
                                             has been done. It is unclear if the next step
                                             is clear. Assume that interested parties
                                             wish to continue this discussion and
                                             perhaps come forward with a proposal.
                                             Will change description to: Present
                                             introduction to Services Oriented Transport
                                             and gain approval to continue work
                                             20050504: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:
                                             open, no update.
                                             20050915: Still open-related to ATS spec.
                                             20051128 InM Telcon: No Update
                                             20060110: Defer. It is unclear at this time if
                                             this is an Action item that pertains to
                                             HSSP.



                                                                                     Page 34 of 90
V.    HSSP Overview and Status

      Ken Rubin presented an overview of HSSP. See Attach 2Q3-1 HSSP
      Public Slide Deck Version 1.1.ppt.

      The TSC approved the promotion of HSSP to a SIG last night. It goes to
      the Board tonight for official approval.

      There was some discussion on how behavior relates to interactions. Ken
      noted that HSSP does not provide RIM content.



VI.   InM/HSSP Boundary

      Alan presented the Service Model document for the Entity Identification
      service as an example of the structure HSSP uses in writing a functional
      spec for a service.

      HSSP hosts only those services that are not covered already by an
      existing service.

      What is a service vs a message? Service may look a lot like a message.
      Difference shows up in implementation. Usually there is a repackaging of
      existing stuff with the addition of behavior. Another way of looking at this
      was presented using the example: How do you get to LA? There are
      many ways.

      Services make behavior explicit.

      Discussed how HL7 works with OMG to develop a Service. HL7 produces
      the functional model to meet interoperability requirements.

      OMG issues an RFP that is tight enough to insure interoperability and
      receives submissions from the public. 80% of time RFP submission is a
      joint submission. The vendor specifies messages; there are no
      preconditions as to type of message. It is important that things be left open
      so the vendor can come back with a solution.

      Question: Could this be a v2 solution? Answer: The vendor might have
      platform bindings to v2, v3, web services, Java.

      The final step is for the submission to go back to HL7 for Conformance
      criteria.


                                                                        Page 35 of 90
       We discussed how InM and HSSP might work together. One way would
       be for InM to particpate in the Formal Peer Review that HSSP will conduct
       prior to a ballot. Another way is that InM participants could join the HSSP
       ballot pools. The results could be discussed at a joint InM/HSSP WGM
       session.

       InM liaisions to HSSP: G Grieve and J Larson

       From HSSP: they will get back to us. Action Item.

                                          Action Items
#      Description              Who           History/Update                                Status   Area
       20060110: HSSP to        K Rubin       20060110 WGM Phoenix: HSSP will get           new      SOA
       appoint liaison to InM                 back to InM as to who will be their liaison
                                              to InM.




VII.   Evaluate need for joint meeting in San Antonio

       Yes. There was mutual agreement that a meeting would be desirable.

       Question: What sort of work products will HSSP be working on? Answer:
       RLARS and EIS.; SDF; Road map.

       Is any of this of interest to InM? Perhaps the Roadmap.

       Is there an overlap between the work InM is doing in WebServices and
       ebXML and HSSP projects? Not on the HL7 side, that is a functional
       model. On the OMG side, there would be a definite overlap.

       InM would not use HSSP’s functional models. However, HSSP might use
       profiles;

       There needs to be a harmonization of terms

       Would like InM specifications to be supported in any functional model that
       goes to OMG. Can put as mandatory in RFP. Must have agreement on the
       Abstract Transport Specification – must be on same page.

       Maybe the focus should be on the DSTU that is going out [editor: unclear
       reference].

       Before that, need to see if Abstract Transport Specification requirements
       are in the HSSP functional model.




                                                                                     Page 36 of 90
                                           Action Items
#       Description          Who               History/Update                              Status   Area
        20060110: Review     A Honey           20060110 WGM Phoenix: HSSP will             new      SOA
        ATS to check that                      review ATS to check that requirements are
        requirements are                       covered in HSSP Fx models.
        covered in HSSP Fx
        models



           Action: Alan Honey to review

VIII.    Adjournment

         The meeting was adjourned at 1503 P.M. MST upon a motion by J Larson
         and second by T Julian

Quarter 4, Tuesday, January 10, 2006
         Topic: Joint Meeting with Security and Accountability; Ballot Reconciliation
         for Web Services and ATS Security Line Items; Proposals
                                           Attendees
    Name                     Affiliation                  E-mail

    Julian, Anthony          Mayo Clinic                  ajulian@mayo.edu
    Larson, Joann            Kaiser Permanente            joann.larson@kp.org
    Pratt, Doug              Siemens                      Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com


    Bennett, Craig           IBM                          cbennett@us.ibm.com
    Branch, William          CSC                          wbranch@csc.com
    Chadwick, Mike           Kaiser Permanente            michael.g.chadwick@kp.org
    Davis, Mike              VA                           mike.davis@med.va.gov
    Donnelly, Michael        Epic                         mdonnell@epicsys.com
    Ferris, Christopher      IBM                          christopher@us.ibm.com
    Fine, Steve              Cerner                       sfine@cerner.com
    Koehn, Marc              HL7 Canada                   mkoehn@infoway-inforoute.ca
    Lyons, John              Siemens                      john.lyons@siemens.com
    Marshall, Glen           Siemens                      glen.f.marshall@siemens.com
                                                          Miyohara.Hideyuki@ap.mitsebish1e
    Miyohara, Hideyuki       JAHIS                        lectric.co.jp
    Moehrke, John            GE                           john.moehrke@med.ge.com



                                                                                   Page 37 of 90
      Remmer, Dave                  Continovation Services       dremmer@continovation.com
      Rubel, Matt                   Cerner                       mruebel@cerner.com
      Ruggeri, Roberto              Microsoft                    rruggeri@microsoft.com
      Shaver, Dave                  NEO TOOL                     Dave.Shaver@neotool.com
      Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente            sandra.stuart@kp.org



                                                      Agenda
#         Key       Description                                Presenter     Action Needed                Time
1                   Call to Order
2                   Agenda approval
3                   Announcements                                                                         5
4                   Evaluate need for joint meeting in
                    San Antonio
5                   Action Items
6                   WebServices Ballot Security Items
7                   Abstract Transport Spec Ballot
                    Security Items
8                   Digital Signature in ControlAct
                    wrapper
9                   Role of Security Assertion Mark-up
                    Language (SAML) and Extensible
                    Access Control Mark-up Language
                    (XACML) in message wrappers
10                  Adjournment




I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Tony Julian, at 3:35 PM
           MST. Doug Pratt was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval

           Approved upon a motion by Glen Marshall and second by Sandy Stuart.
           17/0/0.

III.       Announcements

                None.


                                                                                          Page 38 of 90
IV.   Evaluate need for joint meeting in San Antonio

      Yes, same quarter as now.

V.    Action Items

                                           Action Items
#     Description             Who              History/Update                                Status   Area
74    20040929: Clarify       Andrew           20041207 no update                            Open     ATS &
      concept of session in   Hinchley                                                                SEC
                                               20050127: CQ WGM Orlando: Still open
      context of transport
                                               with guilt.
      documents (as
      opposed to session                       20050504: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: no
      as defined by                            status change.
      SIGSecure)
                                               20051128 Telcon no status change.
                                               20060110 InM WGM Phoenix: Clarification
                                               of concept belongs in ATS. Defer to future
                                               joint meeting between InM ATS and
                                               Security TC
966   Tooling should be       Paul Biron       20050913– San Diego WGM – Origin.             Closed   XML ,
      updated to support                       Tooling should be updated to support                   S&A
      SAML, DSIG in                            SAML, DSIG in schemas. XML ITS R2
      schemas. XML ITS                         targeted.
      R2 targeted.
                                               20051128 INM Telcon: Doug e-mailed
                                               Glenn - We need the info Before phoenix
                                               20060104: Larson: cross posted to XML
                                               and S&A
                                               20060110 InM WGM Phoenix: Closed. Up
                                               to security TC to reopen if necessary.
965   Develop a               Glen Marshal     20050913– San Diego WGM – Origin.             Open     Security
      questionnaire so that                    Develop a questionnaire so that groups
      groups can submit                        can submit use case attributes and get the
      use case attributes                      best possible recommendation from
      and get the best                         Security TC. This will be done through a
      possible                                 dialogue. Discussion of transforms needs
      recommendation                           to take place in this context.
      from Security TC.
                                               20051128 INM Telcon: Doug e-mailed
      This will be done
                                               Glenn - We need the info Before phoenix
      through a dialogue.
      Discussion of                            20060110 InM WGM Phoenix: No update.
      transforms needs to
      take place in this
      context.


967   Security TC is          John             20050913– San Diego WGM – Origin.             Open     Security
      requested to read       Moehrke          Security TC is requested to read WS
      WS security                              security specification and provide guidance
      specification and                        and suggestions related thereto.



                                                                                    Page 39 of 90
      provide guidance                         20051128 INM Telcon: Doug e-mailed
      and suggestions                          Glenn - We need the info Before phoenix
      related thereto.
                                               20060110 InM WGM Phoenix: Has been
                                               read, guidance has not yet been provided.
968   Develop decision         Glen Marshal    20050913– San Diego WGM – Origin.               Merged   Security
      tree for the purpose                     Develop decision tree for the purpose of        to 966
      of not tying                             not tying implementations to potentially
      implementations to                       mismatched/wrong requirements.
      potentially
                                               20051128 INM Telcon: Doug e-mailed
      mismatched/wrong
                                               Glenn - We need the info Before phoenix
      requirements.
                                               20060110 InM WGM Phoenix: No update.
                                               Merge with 966




VI.   WebServices Ballot Reconciliation: Security Items

      …



                                              Vote
      Key                Motion                                      Moved/second      Y-N-A     Submitted By
      31      Neg-       20050914 Ruggeri: non persuasive: as                                    Paul Biron (Kaiser
              Mi         an example if you use soap1.2 you're                                    Permanente); in perso
                         not' ws-i compliant. Limitations in the                                 resolution requested
                         ws-I bp are evident, we need to decide if
                         we want to stick with those.
                         20051117 Needs discussion (items 31,
                         32, 98, 121)
      32      A-S        20051117 RUGGERI: Considered                                            Paul Biron (Kaiser
                                                                                                 Permanente)
      59      Neg-       20050913: Phoenix WGM - InM/S&A             Roberto           20-0-     Paul Biron (Kaiser
              Mi         joint mtg: Group feels that the “prose”     Ruggeri /Paul     1         Permanente)
                         should be replaced with solid reference     Biron
                         to external documents together with how
                         to profile to the healthcare environment.
                         Keeping rationale for choices is
                         beneficial; should be kept brief,
                         however.
                         20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive
                         w/mod: strike paragraph #1 in chapter 5
                         20060110 InM WGM Phoenix: Roberto
                         Ruggeri makes motion as above.
                         Discussion: Paul Biron wants more than
                         paragraph 1 struck – feels that
                         remaining language does not support
                         what implementers are required to do.



                                                                                     Page 40 of 90
            Roberto disagrees.
            Roberto changes motion to:
            Persuasive with Mod:
            Roberto will write two set of paragraphs,
            one for ATS and one for the HL7 WSS
            profile (to replace section 5.0, and 5.1),
            run them through Paul and Sec TC and
            include them in the two documents.
60   Neg-   20050913: Phoenix WGM - InM/S&A              Roberto            20-0-    Paul Biron (Kaiser
     Mi     joint mtg: See action item 969               Ruggeri / Paul     0        Permanente); in perso
                                                         Biron                       resolution requested
            20050914 Ruggeri: needs discussion
            20060110 InM WGM Phoenix:
            Persuasive w/Mod: Security TC should
            write a security section for the ATS that
            details different security models. The
            HL7 WSS profile will then be a set of
            recommendations and requirements for
            implementing different security models.
61   Neg-   20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive: make           Paul Biron /       20-0-    Paul Biron (Kaiser
     Mi     the recommended change                       Michael            0        Permanente)
                                                         Donnelly
            20060110 InM WGM Phoenix:
            Persuasive w/Mod: Paul Biron / Michael
            Donnelly subsumed by resolution of #59
62   Neg-   20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive                 Roberto            18-0-    Paul Biron (Kaiser
     Mi     w/mod: this is just a note and not           Ruggeri / Paul     0        Permanente)
            something that implementers can              Biron
            conform to. For consistency with the
            other profiles it should be moved toward
            the beginning of the reliable msg profile
            ref #74, 79
            20060110 InM WGM Phoenix:
            Persuasive: remove the paragraph
63   Neg-   20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive                 Paul Biron /       18-0-    Paul Biron (Kaiser
     Mj     w.mod: revise the use of HL7 WS MSG          Roberto            0        Permanente)
            and SECURE HL7 WS MSG throughout             Ruggeri
            the security profile for consistency. In
            general HL7 WS MSG is considered an
            HL7 MSG that conforms to the basic
            profile, while SECURE HL7 WS MSG is
            an HL7 MSG that conforms to the
            security profile
            20060110 InM WGM Phoenix:
            Persuasive w/Mod: subsumed by
            resolution of #59
64   A-S    20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive: drop                                       Paul Biron (Kaiser
            the sentence                                                             Permanente)
68   Neg-   20050914 Ruggeri: persuasive with            Roberto            18-0-    Paul Biron (Kaiser
            mod: resolve the conflict and add more       Ruggeri / Glen              Permanente); in perso


                                                                          Page 41 of 90
               Mj        justification to the text or explain the       Marshall       0        resolution requested
                         rationale for the decision
                         20060110 InM WGM Phoenix:
                         persuasive with mod: resolve the conflict
                         and correct the justification to the text or
                         explain the rationale for the decision.
                         Revise the document for other
                         occurrences of duplication.
                         Add "derived from the session key" to
                         HL7-WSS101.
       71      Neg-      20051117 RUGGERI: Not Persuasive:                                      Paul Biron (Kaiser
               Mi        the application could encrypt the                                      Permanente)
                         message before giving it to the
                         messaging adapter and not require the
                         messaging infrastructure to do anything
                         with it.
       72      Neg-      20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive                                           Paul Biron (Kaiser
               Mi        w/mod: revise the use of                                               Permanente)
                         SOURCE/SENDER in para 5.3
       73      Neg-      20050914 Ruggeri: persuasive with                                      Paul Biron (Kaiser
               Mi        mod: specify that you need to use the                                  Permanente); in perso
                         exactly once delivery assurance of ws-                                 resolution requested
                         rm
       74      Neg-      20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive: make                                     Paul Biron (Kaiser
               Mi        the recommended change ref #62, 79                                     Permanente)
       75      Neg-      20050915 ruggeri: non persuasive:                                      Paul Biron (Kaiser
               Mi        requiring RM might be too strong a                                     Permanente)
                         requirement in certain implementations
                         20050915 ruggeri: motion to table to
                         TCON
       77      Neg-      20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive:                                          Paul Biron (Kaiser
               Mi        revise intro to the RM profile for tone                                Permanente)
       78      Neg-      20051117 RUGGERI: Persuasive: make                                     Paul Biron (Kaiser
               Mi        the recommended change                                                 Permanente)



       New Action Item: Glen Marshall will schedule conference calls to
       continue ballot resolution.



VII.   Abstract Transport Spec Ballot Reconciliation: Security Items

                                            Action Items
#      Description             Who               History/Update                             Status    Area
       Are Gateways                              20060110: Phoenix WGM: Issue: Are the      New
       always trusted?                           Gateways always trusted? Is there a use


                                                                                     Page 42 of 90
                                                   case or a possibility of a highly distributed
                                                   environment where Gatewys are *not*
                                                   trusted? Need to resolve ATS Line item
                                                   52
         What are the security                     20060110: Phoenix WGM: Add per                    New
         requirements for the                      Miroslav’s request. Needed to finalize the
         messaging                                 ATS document. What are the security
         infrastructure?                           requirements for the messaging
                                                   infrastructure?


         Schedule calls for        Glen            20060110: PHX WGM: Added action item.             New
         continued ballot          Marshall
         resolution.

                                                  Vote
          SEQ          Key       Motion                           Moved/second         Y-N-A       Comment




VIII.     Digital Signature in ControlAct wrapper

          <Not discussed due to time constraints>

IX.       Role of Security Assertion Mark-up Language (SAML) and Extensible
          Access Control Mark-up Language (XACML) in message wrappers

          <Not discussed due to time constraints>

X.        Adjournment

          The meeting was adjourned at 5:10 P.M. MST upon a motion by Glen
          Marshall and second by John Lyons.




Quarter 1, Wednesday, January 11, 2006
          Topic: Transports: Abstract Transport Specification Ballot Reconciliation;
          Gateway and Other Issues
                                                Attendees
     Name                         Affiliation                  E-mail

     Julian, Anthony              Mayo Clinic                  ajulian@mayo.edu




                                                                                           Page 43 of 90
      Larson, Joann                 Kaiser Permanente          joann.larson@kp.org
      Pratt, Doug                   Siemens                    Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
      Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH              Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


      Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente          paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
      Donnelly, Michael             Epic                       mdonnell@epicsys.com
      Ferris, Christopher           IBM                        christopher@us.ibm.com
      Fine, Steve                   Cerner                     sfine@cerner.com
      Knapp, Paul                   Continovation Services     pknapp@Continovation.com
      Ruggeri, Roberto              Microsoft                  rruggeri@microsoft.com
      Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente          sandra.stuart@kp.org
      Tucker, Mark                  Regenstrief                mtucker@regenstrief.org



                                                  Agenda
#         Key       Description                              Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
1                   Call to Order
2                   Agenda approval
3                   Announcements                                                                        5
4                   Action Items
5                   Abstract Transport Specification
                    Ballot Reconciliation
6                   Gateway and Other Issues
7                   Adjournment




I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Tony Julian, at 10:08 AM
           MST. Doug Pratt was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval

           Approved upon a motion by Doug Pratt and second by Sandy Stuart.

           8-0-0

III.       Announcements


                                                                                         Page 44 of 90
IV.    Action Items

                                            Action Items
#      Description             Who              History/Update                                   Status    Area
       20050914 Paul to        Paul Biron       20050914– San Diego WGM. Paul to Help            OPEN      ATS
       Help Miroslav                            Miroslav Wordsmith the sentence
       Wordsmith the                            (regarding the disposition of ATS item #31)
       sentence (regarding
                                                20060111 – PHX WGM – No progress.
       the disposition of
       item #31)
1026   20051121: Add text      R Ruggeri; M     20051121: InM Telcon: Add text to the            OPEN      ATS
       to the ATS about        Koncar           ATS about Message Exchange Patterns,
       Message Exchange                         and remove from WS profile. This work
       Patterns, and                            item is in reference to Item 20 in the WS
       remove from WS                           ballot, Section 3.3.1. New wording to be
       profile.                                 created jointly with Miroslav Koncar, editor
                                                of the ATS document.
                                                20051212: Rene: Is this the equivalent of
                                                Transmission Pattern or Interaction
                                                Pattern ?
                                                20060111 – PHX WGM – No progress.




V.     Abstract Transport Specification Ballot Reconciliation

       …

                                               Vote
       SEQ           Key     Motion                           Moved/second        Y-N-A        Comment
                             (1) add clarifying language to   Rene Spronk /       8-0-1        See action item
                             the ATS document that the        Sandy Stuart                     below re:
                             same interface engine can                                         glossary.
                             sometimes play a role of a
                             Gateway, and in other
                             scenarios just be a Bridge or
                             an Intermediary. The key
                             distinction here is the
                             business level scenarios,
                             interactions and use cases. If
                             an interface engine is
                             required to perform business
                             rules and application level
                             responsibilities, than it's a
                             Gateway and is listed as the
                             Receiver in the HL7
                             Message. If it just needs to



                                                                                       Page 45 of 90
transform from one ITS to
another, it's a Bridge. If it
needs to transform from one
transport protocol to another,
it's an Intermediary
(2) Specify that it's the use
cases that determine when
an interface engine is
required to be a
Gateway/Bridge/Intermediary.
Then, if the application takes
up this responsibility (and
they need to do so based on
the business rules and
contracts in specific
environments), they need to
comply to certain rules which
are listed and specified in the
ATS. For example, if an
application is required to
transform from HL7v2 to
HL7v3 standard, they are
required to play a role of a
Gateway. If it cannot do that,
they need to drop the request
(i.e. Bridge cannot do that)
20060111: Phoenix WGM.            Rene Spronk /   9-0-0
Find item 53 persuasive.          Sandy Stuart
20060111: Phoenix WGM.            Rene Spronk /   9-0-0
Find item 54 non-persuasive       Sandy Stuart
because that is not the
definition of the
gateway. (amended) The
balloter is referring to a
different intermediary role.
We will add description of a
"transformer bridge" role to
the ATS, a role that has no
receiver responsibilities, is
not addressed in the
Transmission wrapper, and
does not assign new
Transmission IDs to
transformed transmissions.
Will add wording to suggest
that this role should only be
used in environments where
there is an agreement of
parties to use such a
"transformer bridge", and that
such agreement is likely to
exist in intra-enterprise
scenarios, whereas this is not
likely in inter-enterprise



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environments.

Rene Spronk / Sandy Stuart


Discussion: Mark Tucker -
Existing V3 definitions do not
support common uses of
integration
engines in the "real world."
Integration engine typically
does do minor changes to
application data payload but
does not accept receiver
responsibility. Paul Biron
echoes that sentiment. HL7
has no business telling
implementers that they
cannot do this. Rene Spronk:
Aim is to create concepts that
are useful. Is the ATS model
broken because it does not
support this use case? Paul:
yes, certainly. It does not
support real world use cases.
Mark: suggest we could add a
concept of "transforming
router" that serves role
defined above. Paul:
Libertarian viewpoint: his
institution owns the network,
it can do whatever it wants.
Rene: Can live with this with
the caveat that language
emphasizes this is intra-
enterprise. Introduce this
new concept of transforming
router to ATS.

(Motion amended)


Passes 9-0-0.
20060111 PHX WGM: Motion         Paul              9-0-0
(Paul Biron/Michael Donnelly)    Biron/Michael
Find items 55, 56, 57 non-       Donnelly
persuasive; subsumed by
resolution to 54.
Passes 9-0-0
20060111 PHX WGM: Motion         Doug Pratt/Paul   9-0-0
(Doug Pratt/Paul Biron) Find     Biron
item 74 non-persuasive;
subsumed by resolution to



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54.
Passes 9-0-0
20060111 PHX WGM: Motion          Rene             9-0-0
to find item 60 persuasive.       Spronk/Paul
Change the last sentence into     Biron
the following: Note that since
the Gateway was listed as the
Receiver of the original
request, the interaction
identification will stay the
same, however new
Message.id will be created.
20060111: Motion to find item     Rene Spronk /    9-0-0.
89 persuasive: will add           Mark Tucker
definitive wording when
decided upon later
discussion.
20060111: PHX WGM find            Paul Biron       10-0-
item 65 persuasive. Tweak         /Sandy Stuart    0.
wording of section 3.2 to
clarify that reliability can be
implemented without
requiring every bridge to save
to secure storage (because it
may handoff this
responsibility to a subsequent
node)
20060111: PHX WGM. Find           Rene             9-1-0
non-persuasive. This should       Spronk/Michael
be normative in the opinion of    Donnelly
the TC. The rationale for this
document is to enforce some
generic requirements for all
transports, to support HL7
static and dynamic rules
(which are very much
NORMATIVE). In
heterogeneous environments,
like regional or national
healthcare infrastructures,
this is very much needed to
avoid misinterpretations of
HL7 specifications and
transports implementations.
Having this document
informative we are one step
away from PnP
interoperability, and use
cases from The Netherlands,
UK and Croatia clearly
demonstrate that.




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                                           Action Items
#       Description          Who               History/Update                             Status   Area
        Add terms in first   Miroslav
        motion to the        Koncar?
        glossary
        Add to hot topics
        ATS item 89 issue
        re: message id
        during broadcast




VI.      Gateway and Other Issues

         Not addressed due to time constraints.

                                           Action Items
#       Description          Who               History/Update                             Status   Area




VII.     Adjournment

         The meeting was adjourned at 10:35 A.M. MST upon a motion by Doug
         Pratt and second by Sandy Stuart.




Quarter 2, Wednesday, January 11, 2006
         Topic: Transports: Web Services Ballot Reconciliation;
                                           Attendees
    Name                     Affiliation                  E-mail

    Larson, Joann            Kaiser Permanente            joann.larson@kp.org
    Pratt, Doug              Siemens                      Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com


    Biron, Paul              Kaiser Permanente            paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
    Donnelly, Michael        Epic                         mdonnell@epicsys.com
    Ferris, Christopher      IBM                          christopher@us.ibm.com
    Fine, Steve              Cerner                       sfine@cerner.com



                                                                                   Page 49 of 90
          Knapp, Paul                 Continovation Services         pknapp@Continovation.com
          Ruggeri, Roberto            Microsoft                      rruggeri@microsoft.com
          Stuart, Sandy               Kaiser Permanente              sandra.stuart@kp.org
          Tucker, Mark                Regenstrief                    mtucker@regenstrief.org




                                                      Agenda
    #         Key     Description                                  Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
    1                 Call to Order
    2                 Agenda approval
    3                 Announcements                                                                            5
    4                 Action Items
    5                 WSP Ballot Reconciliation
    6                 Adjournment




    I.         Call to Order

               The meeting was called to order by the chair, Doug Pratt at 1107 AM
               MST. Joann Larson was the scribe. Quorum attained.

    II.        Agenda approval

               Approved upon a motion by Sandy Stuart and second by Michael Donnelly
               (7-0-0)

    III.       Announcements

               none

    IV.        Action Items

                                                    Action Items
#             Description             Who               History/Update                                Status       Area
970           20050503: Ask for                         20050503: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: Ask         close        WSP
              change to by-law                          for change to by-law 2.3.1 to permit
              2.3.1 to permit                           proprietary ITS.
              proprietary ITS.
                                                        20050909: Larson: Close occurred on
                                                        20050628. Re-opened because other


                                                                                               Page 50 of 90
                                        communication suggested CQ should seek
                                        change to Bylaw 2.03.01. Change request
                                        submitted to PIC.
                                        20050911: Change Request has been
                                        forwarded to BPR and discussed in
                                        meeting today. Unclear to BPR as to the
                                        precise change CQ is seeking. Clarification
                                        of policy under consideration..
                                        20050914: CQ San Diego: In progress
                                        20050916: Working on policy and
                                        procedures to cover this. Plan to submit a
                                        change request (we were asked to do this
                                        rather than change by-laws)
                                        20051128 INM Telcon: Bylaw Committee
                                        is dormant.
                                        20060111: Close
1012   20051003: Inquire of   Joann L   20051003: INM Telcon: Reconciliation of         open    WSP
       Pubs and MNM as to               negative line item 5 in WSP September 2005
       the proper name for              ballot. Agreement reached that the WSnnn
       WSnnn                            things (Implementation Guidelines) will be
       (implementation                  changed to a name that is consistent with
       guidelines)                      similar instances in other domains. Need to
                                        follow-up with Pubs and MNM as to the proper
                                        name.
                                        20060110: Phoenix WGM: no new information
1013   20051003: Prepare a    Paul B    20051003: INM Telcon: Reconciliation of         close   WSP
       discussion document              negative line item 18 in WSP September
       on differentiating               2005 ballot. It is unclear if we need to
       assertions in the                differentiate assertions: those dealing with
       WSP by Nov 28th.                 how message looks on the wire vs those
                                        assertions that do not affect the wire
                                        format. Perhaps these should be in
                                        different sections. How would these be
                                        factorized? To be revisited Nov 28th.
                                        20051115: Paul will have document ready
                                        for the 23rd, ready for discussion on the
                                           th
                                        28
                                        20060110: Phoenix WGM: Close.
                                        Agreement has been reached. Paper not
                                        needed. Will be part of ballot reconciliation
                                        package.
1018   20051010: Seek                   20051010: INM Telcon: Seek                      open    WSP
       harmonization of                 harmonization of definitions in glossary for
       definitions in                   Sender and Receiver. Specifically need to
       glossary for Sender              follow-up with Pubs. Roberto will send info
       and Receiver.                    to Joann.
                                        20060110: Phoenix WGM: Still open as
                                        above. Roberto will harmonize the
                                        definition within Transports. Joann will
                                        submit to HQ glossary keeper.



                                                                                Page 51 of 90
     20060111: Reconcile    R Ruggeri     20060110: Phoenix WGM: Item added to         new         WSP /
     discrepany between                   reconcile decision to make Reliable                      ATS
     ATS and WSP                          Messaging non-mandatory with the
     regarding Reliable                   Abstract Transport Spec which requires
     Messaging                            “all” transports to be reliable.




V.   Ballot Reconcilation



     Key    Vote   Motion                                                  Moved/second        Y-N-A   Submitted
            Cast
                   Make the Reliable Messaging section of the HL7 WSP      Roberto             8-1-0
                   non-mandatory for implementers. This will affect line   Ruggeri / Paul
                   items 2, 75 and 103.                                    Biron
     101,          Block vote Persuasive, make the recommended             Roberto             7-0-2
     105,          change regarding HL7 v3, R2..                           Ruggeri / Paul
     109,                                                                  Knapp
     110,
     111,
     112,
     113,
     114,
     115,
     118,
     119,
     123,
     124,
     2      Neg-   Persuasive with Mod. Add a section at the beginning     Roberto             8-0-1   Paul Biron
            Mi     of the WSP stating which sections are mandatory and     Ruggeri / Paul
                   which ones are optional                                 Biron
     18     A-S    Revisited item. Block vote on 18, 24                    Roberto             8-0-0
                                                                           Ruggeri /
                   Persuasive with Mod: Add an informative section for
                                                                           Sandy Stuart
                   WSDL 1.1 design and split WSP300 into two, one for
                   SOAP and one for WSDL and make the
                   corresponding statements the first statement in the
                   respective section.
     24     Neg-   Block vote on 18, 24                                    Roberto             8-0-0   Paul Biron
            Mi                                                             Ruggeri /                   resolution
                   Persuasive with Mod: Add an informative section for
                                                                           Sandy Stuart
                   WSDL 1.1 design and split WSP300 into two, one for
                   SOAP and one for WSDL and make the
                   corresponding statements the first statement in the
                   respective section.
     75     Neg-   Non Persusive: based on the decision to make RM         Roberto             9-0-0   Paul Biron
            Mi     non-required taken today. [See above]                   Ruggeri /                   Permanen
                                                                           Sandy Stuart
     103           #103 20060111: Pers w/ mod: add text that says "after   Roberto             9-0-0



                                                                               Page 52 of 90
                        the DESTINATION has taken responsibility of the          Ruggeri /
                        SOAP message, a RM ack is sent back to the               Sandy Stuart
                        SOURCE".
       31        Neg-   #31 20060111: Persuasive with mod: add text that         Roberto             8-0-1   Paul Biron
                 Mi     says "You should use SOAP stacks that can either         Ruggeri /                   Permanen
                        route based on the HTTP SOAPAction header or             Sandy Stuart                resolution
                        implement WS-Addressing. If you are dealing with
                        SOAP stacks that are *only* able to route message
                        based on the root element of the immediate child of
                        SOAP:Envelope, then you should put the operations
                        with the same input message in different ports"




VI.    Adjournment

       The meeting was adjourned at 1225 P.M. MST upon a motion by Michael
       Donnelly and second by Roberto Ruggeri




Quarter 3, Wednesday, January 11, 2006
       Topic: Joint Meeting with Vocab – OID Symposium
                                            Attendees
  Name                        Affiliation                 E-mail

  Julian, Anthony             Mayo Clinic                 ajulian@mayo.edu
  Larson, Joann               Kaiser Permanente           joann.larson@kp.org
  Pratt, Doug                 Siemens                     Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
  Spronk, René                Ringholm GmbH               Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


  Altamore, Rita              WA State DOH                Rita.Altamore@doh.wa.gov
  Arnett, John                NHS / CFH UK                john.arnett@cfh.nhs.uk
  Auld, Vivian                NLM                         auld@nlm.nih.gov
  Benson, Tim                 Abies                       tim.benson@abies.co.uk
  Biron, Paul                 Kaiser Permanente           paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
  Bishop, Bob                 VHA                         Robert.Bishop2@Med.VA.Gov
                              Duke Clinical Research
  Blunden-Kasdorf, Pat        Institute                   blund001@mc.duke.edu
  Case, Jim                   AVMA/AAVLD                  jtcase@ucdavis.edu


                                                                                     Page 53 of 90
Chadwick, Mike       Kaiser Permanente            michael.g.chadwick@kp.org
Chengjian, Che       3M                           cche@mmm.com
Churin, John         Oracle                       john.churin@oracle.com
Couderc, Carmela     Siemens                      Carmela.Couderc@siemens.com
deJong, Tom          HL7 Netherlands              tom@nova-pro.nl
Dobbs, David         SAIC/CDC                     david.o.dobbs@saic.com
Fine, Steve          Cerner                       sfine@cerner.com
Frazier, Pavla       MSD/NCI                      frazierp@mail.nih.gov
Friggle, Bill        Sanofi-Aventis           william.friggle@sanofi-aventis.com
                     National Institute of
                     Standards and Technology
Gallagher, Len       (NIST)                   Lgallagher@nist.gov
Gerlach, Ken         CDC-NPCR                     kbg4@cdc.gov
Giannangelo, Kathy   AHIMA                        kathy.giannangelo.ahima.org
Grassie, Allie       HL7 Canada                   agrassie@cihi.ca
Hamm, Russ           Mayo Clinic                  Hamm.Russell@mayo.edu
Henderson, Mike      Eastern Informatics          mike@eaterninformatics.com
Hendler, Peter       Kaiser Permanente            peter@javamedical.com
Hoang, Sandy         Oracle                       sandy.hoang@oracle.com
Huff, Stan           IHC                          coshuff@ihc.com
Jacobs, Jeff         Oracle                       jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
Kavanagh, Richard    NHS / CFH                    Richard.Kavanagh@CFH.NHS.UK
Kilbourne, John      NLM                          kilbourj@mail.nlm.nih.gov
Klein, Ted           KCI                          ted@klein.com
Knapp, Paul          Continovation                pkknapp@continovation.com
Lincoln, Michael     VA                           michael.lincoln@med.va.gov
Lynch, Cecil         UC Davis                     colynch@ucdavis.edu
Martin, Michael      Clemson LPH                  mmartis@clemson.edu
McCay, Charlie       HL7 UK, Ramsey Systems charlie@ramseysystems.co.uk
McKenzie, Lloyd      HL7 Canada                   lloyd@lmckenzie.com
McQuillen, Nancy     CA DHS                       nmcquill@dhs.ca.gov
Nelson, Dale         Zed-Logic Informatics, Inc   dale@zed-logic.com
Oemig, Frank         HL7 Germany                  Frank@Oemig.de
Oliver, Diane        Cerner                       diane.oliver@cerner.com



                                                                              Page 54 of 90
      Parker, Craig               GE Healthcare               craig.parkermd@gmail.com
                                  Duke Clinical Research
      Pieper, Karen               Institute                   karen.pieper@duke.edu
      Pistre, Cecile              Sanofi-Aventis              cecile.pistre@sanofi-aventis.com
      Richards, Julie             Canada Health Infoway       jrichards@infoway.ca
      Rontey, Pete                VA                          peter.rontey@med.va.gov
      Schadow, Gunther            Regenstrief                 gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu
      Sieber, Karen               Cerner                      ksieber@cerner.com
      Singh, Ganesh               Oracle                      ganesh.singh@oracle.com
      Stuart, Sandy               Kaiser Permanente           sandra.stuart@kp.org
      Troiano, Pauline            Oracle                      pauline.troiano@oracle.com
      Tucker, Mark                Regenstrief                 mtucker@regenstrief.org
      Walsh, Linda                Oracle                      linda.cook@oracle.com
      Welkin, Peter               Kaiser Permanente           peter.welkin@kp.org



                                                   Agenda
#         Key     Description                               Presenter      Action Needed                Time
1                 Call to Order
2                 Agenda approval
3                 Announcements                                                                         5
4                 OID Symposium Program
7                 Adjournment




I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Tony Julian at 1:30 PM
           MST. Joann Larson was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval

           The agenda was presented by Joann and received unanimous consent.

III.       Announcements

           None




                                                                                        Page 55 of 90
IV.   OID Symposium Program

      ..



V.    Item

      …

VI.   Adjournment

      The meeting was recessed at 3:05 P.M. MST upon a motion by Joann
      Larson and second by Sandy Stuart.




                                                                Page 56 of 90
Quarter 4, Wednesday, January 11, 2006
      Topic: Joint Meeting with Vocab – OID Symposium
                                     Attendees
 Name                  Affiliation               E-mail

 Julian, Anthony       Mayo Clinic               ajulian@mayo.edu
 Larson, Joann         Kaiser Permanente         joann.larson@kp.org
 Pratt, Doug           Siemens                   Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com


 Arnett, John          NHS / CFH UK              john.arnett@cfh.nhs.uk
 Biron, Paul           Kaiser Permanente         paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
 Bishop, Bob           VHA                       Robert.Bishop2@Med.VA.Gov
 Case, Jim             AVMA/AAVLD                jtcase@ucdavis.edu
 Chadwick, Mike        Kaiser Permanente         michael.g.chadwick@kp.org
 Chengjian, Che        3M                        cche@mmm.com
 Churin, John          Oracle                    john.churin@oracle.com
 Couderc, Carmela      Siemens                   Carmela.Couderc@siemens.com
 deJong, Tom           HL7 Netherlands           tom@nova-pro.nl
 Dobbs, David          SAIC/CDC                  david.o.dobbs@saic.com
 Fine, Steve           Cerner                    sfine@cerner.com
 Frazier, Pavla        MSD/NCI                  frazierp@mail.nih.gov
                       National Institute of
                       Standards and Technology
 Gallagher, Len        (NIST)                   Lgallagher@nist.gov
 Gerlach, Ken          CDC-NPCR                  kbg4@cdc.gov
 Giannangelo, Kathy    AHIMA                     kathy.giannangelo.ahima.org
 Grassie, Allie        HL7 Canada                agrassie@cihi.ca
 Henderson, Mike       Eastern Informatics       mike@eaterninformatics.com
 Hendler, Peter        Kaiser Permanente         peter@javamedical.com
 Hoang, Sandy          Oracle                    sandy.hoang@oracle.com
 Huff, Stan            IHC                       coshuff@ihc.com
 Jacobs, Jeff          Oracle                    jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
 Kavanagh, Richard     NHS / CFH                 Richard.Kavanagh@CFH.NHS.UK
 Kilbourne, John       NLM                       kilbourj@mail.nlm.nih.gov



                                                                             Page 57 of 90
      Klein, Ted                   KCI                          ted@klein.com
      Lincoln, Michael             VA                           michael.lincoln@med.va.gov
      Lynch, Cecil                 UC Davis                     colynch@ucdavis.edu
      Martin, Michael              Clemson LPH                  mmartis@clemson.edu
      McCay, Charlie               HL7 UK, Ramsey Systems charlie@ramseysystems.co.uk
      McKenzie, Lloyd              HL7 Canada                   lloyd@lmckenzie.com
      Nelson, Dale                 Zed-Logic Informatics, Inc   dale@zed-logic.com
      Oemig, Frank                 HL7 Germany                  Frank@Oemig.de
      Oliver, Diane                Cerner                       diane.oliver@cerner.com
      Parker, Craig                GE Healthcare                craig.parkermd@gmail.com
      Pistre, Cecile               Sanofi-Aventis               cecile.pistre@sanofi-aventis.com
      Schadow, Gunther             Regenstrief                  gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu
      Sieber, Karen                Cerner                       ksieber@cerner.com
      Singh, Ganesh                Oracle                       ganesh.singh@oracle.com
      Stuart, Sandy                Kaiser Permanente            sandra.stuart@kp.org
      Troiano, Pauline             Oracle                       pauline.troiano@oracle.com
      Tucker, Mark                 Regenstrief                  mtucker@regenstrief.org
      Walsh, Linda                 Oracle                       linda.cook@oracle.com



                                                    Agenda
#         Key      Description                               Presenter       Action Needed                Time
1                  Call to Order
2                  OID Symposium Program continued
3                  Meeting Evaluation
4                  Adjournment




I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Joann Larson, at 3:00 PM
           MST. Tony Julian was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval

           The agenda was pre-approved by concensus.



                                                                                          Page 58 of 90
III.   OID Symposium Program continued

       The scribe attempted to capture the discussion as listed below:

Request that Lynn speak later about synchronizing OID registries across Hl7 realms

Ted Klein discussed the Metadata of the OID Registry, and presented PPT slides of the OID
registry.

Ted mentioned that there is not mechanism for synchronizing the multiple OID registries.

Lynn mentioned that they cannot ‘register’ an OID, but can maintain a database of registered
objects due to legal issues

Questions:

There was a question concerning the boundaries around the problem. Ted: Registry,
documentation and communication have been improved. The major questions concern the
use of OID in identifiers.

Having gone through the process, the problem is that we often discuss the problem without
the context – configuration, coding, run-time. Communication cold be improved if we knew
the context.

Mike Henderson: It may be that the documentation needs to be improved. Ted discussed the
fact that the documentation needs to be improved. Lloyd documented a number of the
questions.

Paul asked that the questions/answers be linked in a FAQ from the registry page.

Approval process. Status flag is set on creation. After review Ted changes the status to
complete. It has nothing to do with the authority, only is the information complete, and
correct.

Lloyd: Is it wise to issue and OID when it has not been approved? Ted: It was felt that this
held up the process for

Cecil: One of the changes will be to allow certain types of persons to add oids. Lloyd – who is
limited? E.g. Lloyd wants to register international drivers licenses. Should it be limited to co-
chairs

Charlie McCay: In the limited number of requests for HL7UK resolving the issues with the
data in an individual registry was considerable

Paul Biron: Several people have pointed out that there is a BIG difference between
registering an OID and assigning an OID. Propose to change the process so that there are
two different URI’s: one for registering, another for querying.



                                                                         Page 59 of 90
Charlie Mckay: There is a maintenance piece in managing the deprecation process.

Lloyd in terms of centralization the mechanism is the registration – public common ids and
code systems should not be used until they have been approved. TED: we have been
working on tightening other oids.

David: The registry at CDC that is being implemented required a secured signon and
assigned nodes within the tree to the roll. Had to use SSL

John: Earlier it was stated that the root did not matter. TED: The key thing is the OID type
which is used to categorize the oid

David: The secure signon allows one to be given an oid, and that person manages the oid
and all children.

How many OID types are there? There are 12-13 types, visible in the registry.

? will the organization responsible for the identifier or the organization be contacted? E-mail
is automatically sent when an OID is registered, and is manually sent when the registration is
complete. Information from the submitter is taken as complete and correct – questions are
asked if only on manual review, it is not complete or dramatically erroneous. There is an
interrupted status, which TED cleans up.

Lloyd – will get more pending.

Dale: Pending: all OIDS are never duplicated or reused. TED: But those that go in with error
may cause us to reset the counter, depending on the software. These cold be re-assigned.

Who reviews? Ted Klein – ted contacts the submitters or they contact him to fix the problems.
Ted makes sure the info is correct and complete.

Paul Biron: Is the iso oid spec freely available, or do I have to buy it? I suspect that most of
the people don’t know where to get a copy, or have not done so because of the fee.

Lloyd: If someone wants to register Oregon dl number, and we let the Oregon DL people
know about it, will they panic?

Mike: Should an organization get an ISO OID & register with HL7: will HL7 place constraints
on OIDs. Ted if you are afraid of liability get your own. Lynn you must get it from a
Standards organization, e.g. ANSI

Should’t the oid be in the publications of VOCAB? NO you should get the OID from the
registry – Documentation will be added to the ballot on the uri for finding the oid.

Ted: There are a few OIDS that have disappeared from the registry, that are mentioned in
the standard.




                                                                          Page 60 of 90
Lloyd: PROPOSAL: Issue is you cannot send and II with extension no root. Introduce new
flavor of null “partial” to indicate that I have some of the info, but not all. If you have an ID
with only extension, you could do partial matching, and capture it.

Dale: In SD there was a quarter in MnM where ROLEID and OIDS within data type, the result
was the the OID’s do not carry meaning. There is a project to look at recording these items in
a way that people can search. We should stay with previous decisions, unless they are
untenable.

Paul Biron: The fact that there was a discussion in MnM , it still must be balloted.

Llyod: This is MnM methodology. Committes must use role.code to define the usage

Ted: Committes must know the usages

Paul Biron: This does not affect messages already in the 2005 issue. Lloyd Correct

Charlie McCay: Lloyd’s proposal for another flavor of II scares me. Partially filled II’s are not
useful. Original text may solve the problem. Charlie will take offline.

Jeff: I have never heard this question added definitively. “OIDS cannot have semantic
meaning” I must know the association of the root to use it. Lloyd: you may be able to display
the namespace description if you know it.

Real-world identifiers- started working on them, but have not seen the documentation. If it is
not solved, there will be a continual problem.

CDC has the standard identifiers, but the adhoc id’s that have been assigned need to be
handled e.g. Katrina id, with no assigned OID.

Dale: A set of messages set up around registration of oids? TED: this is not an oid problem, it
is a namespace id problem.

Charlie: This is a datatypes R2 issue. May be in September ballot.

John Arnett: If the correct mechanism is to use the role code in a known namespace (Lloyd
role code or act code) why use the oid (lloyd the role code will not allow you to do this.
1.2.3.500 = 1.2.3.500 regardless of the role code – which is the only purpose of id)

Ted: in addition to the rules we need best practices.

Ted: there will be multiple OIDS for the same namespace, except for vocabularies(coding
systems)

?? CDC- we have cleaned up the oids for HL7 coding systems. There are oids for value sets
registered under the FIN? Oid.




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Paul: You must use the HL7 oid for a coding system – does this include my local coding
system. Lloyd “a local coding systems is used only for communication within an enterprise,
not by third parties. Coding systems used by third parties must be assigned an OID.

4:50pm: Time mark. TED: There are still hundreds of questions, and 22 page policy
document, new questions, how is the best way to proceed on this, since you need this info
NOW, not later.

Joann: do we need to have an out-of-cycle meeting? This is a problem.

Mike Henderson: There is a problem with any venue.

Lloyd: should we put the policy document on the wiki, work out the kinks, have a couple of
telcons, make agreements where concensus is made, then determine next steps.

Maybe there are a set of use cases?

Should we create a email - sublist for oids?



Evaluation of symposium:

Paul I think what worked really well is that we collected the questions, we had education,
questions were collated. I don’t think we should repeat this next time. There should be a
quarter in San Antonio, or out of cycle meeting INM/VOCAB/

We need more examples of what it the work to be done?

Charlie McKay: Structuring /partitioning the issues would be helpful.

Lloyd: I think this was necessary as education to get people on the same page. The
presentation should be a pre-requisite for attending the next meeting. We don’t have a
quarter

Lloyd you cannot use a quarter every WGM for training on this issue

Charlie McKay as we break the session down, we will need to provide some training.

Mike H. People who are not up to speed need to be educated.

      …



IV.   Evaluate need for joint meeting in San Antonio




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          Upon consent of the InM and Vocab co-chairs, there will be a joint meeting
          in San Antonio.

     V.   Action Items

          Action items were not discussed.

                                            Action Items
#         Description           Who             History/Update                                  Status   Area
27        20050126: Present     Grahame         20050126: CQ/Vocab WGM Orlando:                 open     vocab
          Units proposal to                     Agreed to prepare a proposal for
          Facilitators                          Faciliator’s Roundtable. Within the PQ
          Roundtable on Jan                     datatype Unit: change from CS to CV and
          27                                    allow the domain to be set in the model.
                                                Could set a domain and call it Units. This
                                                could have sub domains such as UCUM,
                                                ISO etc.
                                                20050504: Changed from New to Open,
                                                assigned Grahame.
                                                20050914: IM WGM San Diego: Close –
                                                Stan has developed proposal
                                                20051128: InM TelconOpen pending
                                                verification
71        20040929 Draft        Stan Huff       20050112: Larson: The procedure should          Open     vocab
          procedure for                         incorporate the decision made at the
          agreeing to updates                   Atlanta WGM as follows: “All changes to
          to 396. Will bring                    sections for which Vocab is the steward,
          draft to CQ.                          must be submitted to the v2 change
                                                proposal database.”
                                                20050504: CQ Noordwijkerhout: Stan will
                                                wridte procedure. It will include 1) submit
                                                to database ; 2) vocab reviews and makes
                                                decision taking in to account such things
                                                as redundancy, version and other policy
                                                requirements; 3) once approved is
                                                immediately valid; 4) notify CQ editor
                                                Policy needs good definitions but also
                                                need to focus on operational factors.
                                                20050505: Email to Mead walker from
                                                Stan H requesting change to Substantivity
                                                Guide
                                                20050826: Larson: Did the ARB approve
                                                and is there new language in the
                                                substantivity guide?
                                                20050914: Approved. Tony will check to
                                Tony            see if in the substantivity guide.
                                                20051128 Telcon - Open with Guilt!.



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VI.      Adjournment

         The meeting was adjourned at 5:00 P.M. MST upon a motion by Tony
         Julian and second by Sandy.



Quarter 1, Thursday, January 12, 2006
         Topic: Joint Meeting with XML
                                                Attendees
    Name                          Affiliation                 E-mail

    Julian, Anthony               Mayo Clinic                 ajulian@mayo.edu
    Larson, Joann                 Kaiser Permanente           joann.larson@kp.org
    Pratt, Doug                   Siemens                     Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
    Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH               Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


    Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente           paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
    Donnelly, Michael             Epic                        mdonnell@epicsys.com
    Ferris, Christopher           IBM                         christopher@us.ibm.com
    Fine, Steve                   Cerner                      sfine@cerner.com
    Kavanagh, Richard             NHS / CFH                   Richard.Kavanagh@CFH.NHS.UK
    Knapp, Paul                   Continovation               pkknapp@continovation.com
    McCay, Charlie                HL7 UK, Ramsey Systems charlie@ramseysystems.co.uk
    Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente           sandra.stuart@kp.org
    Tucker, Mark                  Regenstrief                 mtucker@regenstrief.org



                                                  Agenda
#       Key       Description                               Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
1                 Call to Order
2                 Agenda approval
3                 Announcements                                                                         5
4                 Evaluate need for joint session in San



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                   Antonio
     5             Action Items
     6             W3C Update
     7             Attachments Task Force Update
     8             XML ITS Structures Update
     9             XML ITS Data Types Update
     10            R2 XML ITS Planning
     11            Adjournment




     I.     Call to Order

            The meeting was called to order by the chair, Tony Julian, at 9:03 AM
            MST. Doug Pratt was the scribe. Quorum attained.

     II.    Agenda approval

            Approved upon a motion by Paul Biron and second by Joann Larson. 10-
            0-0

     III.   Announcements

            None

     IV.    Evaluate need for joint session in San Antonio

            Agenda announcements for the beginning of Monday; maintain this joint
            meeting.

     V.     Action Items

                                               Action Items
#           Description           Who              History/Update                              Status   Area
81          20040930: Produce     Charlie          20040930 WGM: not being worked on           Closed   XML
            Implementation
                                                   20050124 CQ WGM Orlando: not being
            Guide
                                                   worked on. Underlying negative line issue
                                                   may need to be revisited.
                                                   20050502: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: in
                                                   progress. New content has been identified
                                                   having to do with xsi. This is an extra
                                                   constraint people want to have on XML
                                                   instances. This would be a substantive
                                                   change and would have to go back to



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                                         ballot. The other approach is to publish ITS
                                         as is and put a paragraph in an
                                         Implementation Guide regarding xsi.
                                         20050505: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: –
                                         xsi in notes from 20050502 means xsi:nil.
                                         Issue is a little broader than xsi:nil,
                                         includes xsi:type. We propose to have an
                                         R2 changes proposal for comment in the
                                         next ballot or the one after that will cover
                                         proposed changes, both documentation
                                         and substance. Schema requirements will
                                         be included in the multi-cache schema
                                         page in the ballot pack (under downloads).
                                         20050915 Grahame to create wiki page,
                                         notify xml, strucdoc, and impl lists. Charlie
                                         will provide some seed content.
                                         20060105: J Larson: This item has
                                         disappeared from the wiki open action item
                                         list, but should be restored since there is
                                         no record of it being closed.
                                         20060112 PHX WGM: Closed; no longer
                                         required.
1022   20051105 Are            C McCay   20051105 Are messages contained in a            Open    XML
       messages contained                batch identified by the “Message” tag or an
       in a batch identified             InteractionID?. XML ITS issue related to
       by the “Message” tag              MCCI Batch wrappers.
       or an InteractionID?.
                                         From the XML-ITS, section 2.5.2: Message
       XML ITS issue
                                         Elements That Are HL7 Classes. The
       related to MCCI
                                         name for the element representing the
       Batch wrappers.
                                         Class is taken either from the association
                                         name, or in the case of the root element
                                         represention a transmission wrapper, from
                                         the InteractionID.
                                         In the case of a batch-transmission which
                                         contains multiple message-transmissions
                                         (of different type) it would be advisable to
                                         change the above text to state that: “The
                                         name for the element representing the
                                         Class is taken either from the association
                                         name, or in the case of the Transmission
                                         class (or specializations thereof), from the
                                         interactionId.” – This to conform with the
                                         way batches are currently implemented in
                                         various projects, i.e. the receiver of the
                                         batch can simply throw away the batch
                                         wrapper and process its contents as-if the
                                         interactions had been received on a one-
                                         by-one basis.
                                         20051105: Rene: asked Grahame
                                         Grieve/Charlie McKay (XML SIG) for
                                         comments by e-mail



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                                               10051128: Charlie McKay, via e-mail:
                                               Added as an XML Structures Release 2
                                               requirement – will be producing a current
                                               list so that we can chose at the WGM
                                               whether to do a technical correction and/or
                                               release 2 document – assign action item to
                                               Charlie / XML SIG.
                                               20060112 PHX WGM: On today’s agenda.


966     Tooling should be       Paul Biron     20050913– San Diego WGM – Origin.             Relocat   XML ,
        updated to support                     Tooling should be updated to support          ed to     S&A
        SAML, DSIG in                          SAML, DSIG in schemas. XML ITS R2             Securit
        schemas. XML ITS                       targeted.                                     y
        R2 targeted.
                                               20051128 INM Telcon: Doug e-mailed
                                               Glenn - We need the info Before phoenix
                                               20060104: cross posted to XML and S&A
                                               20060112 PHX WGM: Waiting for security
                                               to decide what they want. (This is cross
                                               posted to security action items.) Remove
                                               from XML action items.
965     Develop a               Glen Marshal   20050913– San Diego WGM – Origin.             Open      Security
        questionnaire so that                  Develop a questionnaire so that groups
        groups can submit                      can submit use case attributes and get the
        use case attributes                    best possible recommendation from
        and get the best                       Security TC. This will be done through a
        possible                               dialogue. Discussion of transforms needs
        recommendation                         to take place in this context.
        from Security TC.
                                               20051128 INM Telcon: Doug e-mailed
        This will be done
                                               Glenn - We need the info Before phoenix
        through a dialogue.
        Discussion of                          20060112 PHX WGM: Addressed in
        transforms needs to                    Security.
        take place in this
        context.




  VI.   W3C Update

        Tony Julian/Paul Biron have joined W3C XML schema patterns for data
        binding working group. Gather best practices, inform & educate vendors
        of data binding software how the software should work.

        Semantic Web for Healthcare and Life Sciences Interest Group: a number
        of people have expressed interest in representing HL7 in this group; Paul
        Biron is vetting a number of candidates. Semantic web involves RDF
        graphs to represent ontology. Suggestion: perhaps Vocabulary TC should
        look at OWL to represent vocabularies?


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        WSDL 2.0 spec is now a candidate recommendation (i.e., it is “almost
        done”). There is a 4-month holding time during which bugs can be
        reported and fixed.

VII.    Attachments Task Force Update

        Paul Knapp has accepted responsibility for this task force now. No other
        update.

VIII.   XML ITS Structures Update

        Closed, gone through ANSI approval for Release 1. Scheduling release 2
        of XML ITS Structures to coincide with XML Release Data Types release
        2.

IX.     XML ITS Data Types Update

        See below. Also to be discussed again in Q3.

X.      R2 XML ITS Planning

        ITS Structures and Data types issues lists will be in the May ballot.

        Action items:

              Did project scope document include all 4: Abstract data types, XML
               structures, UML data types and XML data types? Charlie accepts
               this action item.

              Prepare RFI for XML ITS Structures for the May ballot (action items
               for other 3 documents already exist). Charlie accepts this action
               item.



XI.     Root Element of Batch Payload.

        See action item 1022. Same element name with different content models
        may cause trouble. Inconsistency between what current XML ITS says
        and what was intended because this scenario was not thought of (batch
        did not exist at the time).

        Motion: Charlie McCay/Sandy Stuart: The committee instructs the editors
        to include language similar to:




                                                                          Page 68 of 90
            “The name for the element representing the Class is taken either from
           the association name, or in the case of the Transmission class (or
           specializations thereof), from the interactionId.”

        Passes 12-0-0



XII.    XML ITS Structures Action Item Discussion

        Reviewed action items (see spreadsheet from Charlie McCay).

               Issue dealing with address part types, entity part types. Currently
                vocabulary for part type is reflected in element name (e.g.,
                <streetAddressLine>. Some prefer that element name stays static
                and vocabulary drives type (e.g., <adxp type=streetAddressLine>).

        Motion: Paul Biron/Charlie McCay: That INM asks MnM to document
        whether changes to structural vocabulary (such as addressPartType and
        ParticipationType) trigger version changes. Passes 12-0-0.

XIII.   Adjournment



        The meeting was adjourned at 10:31 A.M. MST upon a motion by Michael
        Donnelly and second by Sandy Stuart.




Quarter 2, Thursday, January 12, 2006
        Topic: Transports: Removable Media; ebXML; Ballot Reconciliation;
        Proposals
                                         Attendees
  Name                     Affiliation               E-mail

  Julian, Anthony          Mayo Clinic               ajulian@mayo.edu
  Larson, Joann            Kaiser Permanente         joann.larson@kp.org
  Pratt, Doug              Siemens                   Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
  Spronk, René             Ringholm GmbH             Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl




                                                                           Page 69 of 90
      Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente          paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
      Ferris, Christopher           IBM                        christopher@us.ibm.com
      Fine, Steve                   Cerner                     sfine@cerner.com
                                    American Immunization
                                    Registry Association
      Kirnak, Alean                 (AIRA)                     akirnak@swpartners.com
      Knapp, Paul                   Continovation              pkknapp@continovation.com
      Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente          sandra.stuart@kp.org
      Tucker, Mark                  Regenstrief                mtucker@regenstrief.org
      Van Duyne, Ron                Immunization CDC (USA)     rvanduyne@cdc.gov



                                                    Agenda
#         Key       Description                              Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
1                   Call to Order
2                   Agenda approval
3                   Announcements                                                                        5
4                   Action Items
5                   ebXML Update
6                   Removable Media status
7                   Proposal: RAMP
8                   Remaining Transport Reconciliation
                    (ATS, MCCI)
9                   Adjournment


I.         Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Joann Larson, at 11:04 AM
           MST. Rene Spronk was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.        Agenda approval

           Approved upon a motion by Rene and second by Sandy.

III.       Announcements

           None.

IV.        Action Items


                                                                                         Page 70 of 90
                                              Action Items
#         Description            Who              History/Update                              Status   Area
1014      20051003 Post          Tony J           20051003 Post MLLP reconciliation           open     trans
          MLLP reconciliation                     package for May 2005 ballot.
          package for May
                                                  20051114: still open
          2005 ballot.
                                                  20050112: INM WGM: no update.
977       20050915               Doug Pratt       20050915 San Diego WGM: Doug will           Open     Transport
          Removable media                         contact Henket, Alexander, HL7
                                                  Netherlands in re removable media ITS.
                                                  20051128 INM Telcon: Close. Ballot
                                                  material has been created
                                                  20051229: Reopened. material wasn't in
                                                  proper format. XML version has to be
                                                  created.
                                                  20050112: INM WGM: open until material
                                                  has been transformed into XML
1003      20051003: Prepare      Doug Pratt       20051003: INM Telcon: Prepare Project       Closed   Transport
          Project Scope and                       Scope and RFI for ebXML ballot. Needs to
          RFI for ebXML                           be approved and posted by Oct 17
                                                  20051115: Doug, open. Next ballot cycle
                                                  20050112: INM WGM: Were posted, but
                                                  we didn’t go to ballot. Closed.
          Prepare RFI for        Doug Pratt       20050112: INM WGM: Prepare RFI for          New      Transport
          removable media                         removable media ballot
          ballot
          Prepare RFI for next   Doug Pratt       20050112: INM WGM: Prepare RFI for          New      Transport
          release of ebXML                        next release of ebXML




    V.    ebXML Update

          No changes. Paul will bring forward new material to the list (before Feb
          15) for review. Will request approval of content by committee. Intended to
          be included in next ballot. Will request feedback from Pim van der Eijk
          (OASIS).

    VI.   Removable Media status

          Material was submitted late and in the wrong format. Needs to be
          transformed to the proper publication format.


                                              Action Items
    #     Description            Who              History/Update                              Status   Area



                                                                                       Page 71 of 90
       Complete               Doug Pratt   2005012 INM WGM: Complete                   New      Transport
       specification of the                specification of the format of the
       format of the                       removable-media directory file
       removable-media
       directory file



       Charles Parisot (IHE) requested harmonization with similar profile being
       developed by IHE. Supports us going to ballot with current document,
       work on harmonization later. Clinical genomics SIG also had a use-case.

VII.   Proposal: RAMP

       Chris Ferris (IBM, standards strategy group) presents RAMP:

       -- presentation summary --

       Many WS specifications, it’s hard to keep overview. Small suppliers in
       automotive industry can’t support all standards used by all car
       manufacturers. RAMP (reliable Asynchronous Messaging Profile) is a
       profile. Not limited to automotive use-cases. Complement WS-I profiles by
       describing interoperability issues not addressed by WS. Aim is to have a
       cross-industry WS profile, to leverage synergies.

       Further development of this profile should probably be done in WS-I.

       Current HL7 WS profile is (based on initial research) essentially the same
       type of profile idea as RAMP. Other organizations (e.g. AIAG, Acord, HR-
       XML, RosettaNet, OAGi, Origo) have similar profiles to RAMP. Some have
       adopted RAMP and added constraints specific to their industry use-cases.
       HL7 could benefit by basing a profile on RAMP, notably in the security
       area.

       Specs on the web: www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices

       -- end presentation summary --

       Chris requests that INM works with RAMP to see where differences are,
       adopt RAMP spec.

               Mark: not ready to absorb WS stuff, let alone wider things such as
                RAMP.

               Paul: if same fundamental technologies, would like to understand
                why we are doing things different from RAMP.




                                                                                Page 72 of 90
                 Chris volunteers time to work with HL7 volunteers to identify
                  differences. Points of divergence.

                                               Action Items
#       Description                Who             History/Update                                     Status   Area
                                   Chris Ferris                                                       New      Transport
        To identify                                20050112 INM WGM: To identify
        differences.                               differences. (Points of divergence)
        (Points of                                 between RAMP and HL7 WS
        divergence)                                profile.
        between RAMP
        and HL7 WS
        profile.




        Chris request that INM asks HL7 Board to ask WS-I to take on work on the
        RAMP profile.

                                               Action Items
#       Description                Who             History/Update                                     Status   Area
        To coordinate a            Joann           20050112 INM WGM: To coordinate a                  New      Transport
        determination effort       Larson          determination effort whether RAMP is a
        whether RAMP is a                          profile that is of benefit to HL7, and if so, to
        profile that is of                         ask the HL7 Board to recommend to an
        benefit to HL7, and if                     appropriate Standards Organization (e.g.
        so, to ask the HL7                         WS-I) that they take RAMP up as a
        Board to recommend                         workitem.
        to an appropriate
        Standards
        Organization (e.g.
        WS-I) that they take
        RAMP up as a
        workitem.
        Schedule agenda time       Co-chairs       20050112 INM WGM: schedule agenda                  New      Organiza
        joint with HL7 WS                          time joint with HL7 WS profile topic during                 tional
        profile topic during the                   the next WGM
        next WGM
        Need to schedule           Joann           20050112 INM WGM: Need to schedule                 New      Organiza
        special-telcon, with       Larson          special-telcon, with WS knowledgeable                       tional
        WS knowledgeable                           people attending, to discuss RAMP and
        people attending, to                       delta-document as created by Chris Ferris.
        discuss RAMP




VIII.   Transport Ballot Reconciliation

        Not discussed because of a lack of time.



                                                                                             Page 73 of 90
IX.      Adjournment

         The meeting was adjourned at 12:28 P.M. MST upon a motion by Paul
         and second by Doug.




Quarter 3, Thursday, January 12, 2006
         Topic: v3 Data Types: Abstract Data Types, XML ITS Data Types
                                                Attendees
    Name                          Affiliation                 E-mail

    Pratt, Doug                   Siemens                     Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
    Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH               Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


    Arnett, John                  NHS / CFH                   john.arnett@cfh.nhsuk
    Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente           paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
    Davey, Tony                   NHS / CFH                   tony.davey@cfh.nhsuk
    Fine, Steve                   Cerner                      sfine@cerner.com
    Jacobs, Jeff                  Oracle                      jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
    Kavanagh, Richard             NHS / CFH                   Richard.Kavanagh@CFH.NHS.UK
    Knapp, Paul                   Continovation               pkknapp@continovation.com
    McCay, Charlie                HL7 UK, Ramsey Systems charlie@ramseysystems.co.uk
    Rani, N                       NHS / CFH                   rani.navalavayar@cfh.nhs.uk
    Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente           sandra.stuart@kp.org
    Thomas, Greg                  Kaiser Permanente           Greg.J.Thomas@kp.org
    Tucker, Mark                  Regenstrief                 mtucker@regenstrief.org
    Worden, Robert                Charter                     robert.worden@charterls.com



                                                  Agenda
#       Key       Description                               Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
1                 Call to Order
2                 Agenda approval
3                 Announcements                                                                         5



                                                                                        Page 74 of 90
4   Action Items
5   Abstract Data Types: Original Text on
    Any
6   Abstract Data Types: Add Title To ED
7   Abstract Data Types: Does Identity =
    equality
8   XML ITS Data types (if not covered
    Q1)
9   Adjournment




                                            Page 75 of 90
    I.     Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Rene Spronk, at 1:50 PM
           MST. Doug Pratt was the scribe. Quorum attained.

    II.    Agenda approval

           Approved upon a motion by Doug Pratt and second by Sandy Stuart.

    III.   Announcements

           None

    IV.    Action Items

                                            Action Items
#          Description           Who            History/Update                               Status   Area
           20050915 Modify       G Grieve       20050915 San Diego WGM: Modify XML           Closed   DT
           XML data types                       data types document. Make changes for
           document                             xml specific issues or note outstanding
                                                issues. Outstanding changes include those
                                                still to be made due to semantic changes
                                                yet to be made in the abstract data types.
                                                The XML Data Types document and the
                                                abstract datatypes document need to be in
                                                synchronization for committee and
                                                membership ballots.
                                                20060112 PHX WGM: Completed with
                                                pride! Extend a hearty thanks to Paul
                                                Biron, Grahame Grieve and Charlie
                                                McCay!
           20050915 Schedule     C McCay        20050915 San Diego WGM: Schedule             Closed   DT
           XML Telcon to                        XML Telcon to prepare XML Data Type
           prepare XML Data                     document for ballot
           Type document for
                                                20060112 PHX WGM: Completed
           ballot
           20050915 Modify       G Grieve       20050915 San Diego WGM: Modify               Closed   DT
           Abstract Data Types                  Abstract Data Types document. Note
           document                             outstanding issues. The XML Data Types
                                                document and the Abstract data types
                                                document need to be in synchronization
                                                for committee and membership ballots.
                                                20060112 PHX WGM: Completed; new
                                                action item opened to move above text to
                                                policy document.
1004       20051003: Post        Grahame        20051003: INM Telcon: Project Scope          open     DT
           Project Scope for     Grieve         statement approved. Needs to be posted



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       Data Types Abstract                   by Oct 17.
       and related
                                             20051114: open, deferred to May 2006
       documents XML ITS
                                             ballot
       DT and UML.
                                             20060112 PHX WGM: No change
1005   20051003: Prepare        Grahame      20051003: INM Telcon: Prepare RFI for         open    DT
       RFI for Data Types       Grieve       Data Types Abstract. Needs to be
       Abstract                              approved and posted by Oct 17.
                                             20051114: open, deferred to May ballot
                                             20060112 PHX WGM: No change
1006   20051003: Prepare        Grahame      20051003: INM Telcon: Prepare Project         open    DT
       RFI for XML ITS          Grieve       Scope and RFI for XML ITS Data Types.
       Data Types                            Needs to be approved and posted by Oct
                                             17.
                                             20051114: open, May ballot
                                             20060112 PHX WGM: No change
1007   20051003: Prepare        Grahame      20051003: INM Telcon: Prepare Project         open    DT
       RFI for UML              Grieve       Scope and RFI for UML document. Needs
                                             to be approved and posted by Oct 17.
                                             20051114: open, deferred to May ballot
                                             20060112 PHX WGM: No change
1008   20051003: Post UML       Grahame      20051003: INM Telcon: Post UML                open    DT
       reconciliation           Grieve       reconciliation package for May 2005 ballot
       package for May                       by November 14. Line items have been
       2005 ballot.                          reconciled.
                                             20060112 PHX WGM: No change
1009   20051003: Request        Grahame      20051003: INM Telcon: After                   open    DT
       withdrawal of            Grieve       Reconciliation Package is posted, need to
       negative votes                        officially request voters to withdraw
       against UML May                       negative votes by November 14.
       2005 ballot.
                                             20060112 PHX WGM: No change
???    20030114: We need        Paul Biron   20040105: CQ Telcon: Grahame reported         Open    XML –
       to document                           that this is still in progress                        DT
       difference between
                                             20040506: Still open – slated for release 2
       abstract specification
       and XML ITS                           20040930: CQ WGM: deferred and slated
       DataTypes. Andrew                     for R2
       H will get list of
                                             20050124 CQ WGM Orlando: no change
       differences from
       Paul.                                 20050502: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: no
                                             change
                                             20050505: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: we
                                             still think this is a good idea, but no
                                             progress yet. May happen as part of R2


                                             20050915 Give to Paul – part of a way to



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                                        generate requirements for R2
                                        20051128 Paul will try to have content for
                                        Phoenix
                                        20060112 PHX WGM: No change
       Add “The XML Data      Grahame   20060112 PHX WGM: Opened new item            New      XML-DT
       Types document
       and the Abstract
       data types document
       need to be in
       synchronization for
       committee and
       membership ballots.”
       to an InM policy
       document.




V.     Abstract Data Types: Original Text on Any

       Reviewed minutes from San Diego meeting dealing with this topic.

       Motion: This committee is not comfortable with Original Text on Any and
       further discussion should take place on which data types this could pertain
       to. Charlie McCay/Mark Tucker 12-0-0.

VI.    Abstract Data Types: Add Title To ED

       Recollection is that current ED data type does not allow conveyance of
       image with a name.

       Motion: The committee sees value in a property of type ST being added
       to ED data type. It does not believe that thumbnail makes this redundant.
       Users should be counseled use this new field for label, not use thumbnail
       for a label. Charlie McCay/Paul Biron 12-0-1.

       Motion: When this concept of title is implemented as in the previous
       motion, the name of this property shall be “name.” Paul Biron/Sandy
       Stuart 12-01.

VII.   Abstract Data Types: Does Identity = equality

       Existing abstract data types document makes it clear that identity and
       equality are not the same thing. 1 meter is equal to 100 centimeters but
       the two are not identical.

       Motion: This committee supports the exploration of the use of multiple
       alternatively named equality functions. Charlie McCay/Sandy Stuart 13-0-
       0.


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VIII.    XML ITS Data types

         Not discussed due to time constraints.

IX.      Adjournment

         The meeting was adjourned at 3:02 P.M. MST upon a motion by Doug
         Pratt and second by Sandy Stuart.




Quarter 4, Thursday, January 12, 2006
         Topic: Hot Topics 2
                                                Attendees
    Name                          Affiliation                 E-mail

    Julian, Anthony               Mayo Clinic                 ajulian@mayo.edu
    Pratt, Doug                   Siemens                     Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
    Spronk, René                  Ringholm GmbH               Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


    Arnett, John                  NHS / CFH                   john.arnett@cfh.nhsuk
    Biron, Paul                   Kaiser Permanente           paul.v.vbiron@kp.org
    Davey, Tony                   NHS / CFH                   tony.davey@cfh.nhsuk
    DeLeon, Alex                  Kaiser Permanente           alexander.j.deleon@kp.org
    Jacobs, Jeff                  Oracle                      jeff.jacobs@oracle.com
    Kavanagh, Richard             NHS / CFH                   Richard.Kavanagh@CFH.NHS.UK
    Knapp, Paul                   Continovation               pkknapp@continovation.com
    Rani, N                       NHS / CFH                   rani.navalavayar@cfh.nhs.uk
    Ryal, Tod                     Cerner                      tryal@cerner.com
    Stuart, Sandy                 Kaiser Permanente           sandra.stuart@kp.org
    Thomas, Greg                  Kaiser Permanente           Greg.J.Thomas@kp.org
    Tucker, Mark                  Regenstrief                 mtucker@regenstrief.org



                                                  Agenda
#       Key       Description                               Presenter     Action Needed                 Time
1                 Call to Order



                                                                                        Page 79 of 90
2           Agenda approval
3           Announcements                                                                  5
4           Batch content processing mode
5           CACT REG CMET
6           Trigger events upon interaction
            receipt
7           Mandatory payload in application
            response
8           Message sameness issue
9           Message broadcast via Middleware
10          Adjournment




I.     Call to Order

       The meeting was called to order by the chair, Rene Spronk, at 3:37 PM
       MST. Doug Pratt was the scribe. Quorum attained.

II.    Agenda approval

       Approved upon a motion by Paul Knapp and second by Robert Grant. 12-
       0-0

III.   Announcements



IV.    Batch - Content Processing Mode

       NHS proposal to make change to transmission infrastructure domain
       model (MCCI_CM000000) and derived R-MIMs.

       Motion: It is the intent of the committee not to require an instance of the
       reference control id attribute in the initial batch transmission. John Arnett /
       Tony Davey 11–0-3

       Motion: Committee intends to support the concept of batch chunking and
       accepts a work item to do this. Rene Spronk/John Arnett 14-0-0

       Discussion: One consequence: if you allow for batch chunking then the
       HL7 dynamic model does not work anymore.

       Motion - Committee consider the mechanisms to support the
       fragmentation of a large message. If the committee decides not to support


                                                                           Page 80 of 90
          this in the standard at this point in time – it should recommend possible
          alternatives options. Mark Tucker/Jeff Jacobs 13-0-1 (Make an action
          item).

          Motion – add an optional content processing mode attribute to the batch
          class to indicate the type of content processing that the receiver of the
          batch is expected to undertake, i.e., sequential or parallel. Default value is
          sequential. John Arnett/Mark Tucker 14-0-0. (Make an action item for
          harmonization proposal to add this attribute).



V.        Control Act Registry CMET (Bob Grant)

          Motion: This committee will entertain a proposal to add two new generic
          type extensions to the abstract data types: UpdateMode(T) which adds an
          update mode property, and ControlActReference(T) which adds a control
          act reference to T. Paul Biron/Mark Tucker 15-0-0.

VI.       Adjournment

          The meeting was adjourned at 5:03 P.M. MST upon a motion by Paul
          Knapp and second by Sandy Stuart.




Quarter 1 & 2, Friday, January 13, 2006
          Topic: v2.7 Proposals; Planning for San Antonio; Wrap-up
                                           Attendees
     Name                    Affiliation                E-mail

     Julian, Anthony         Mayo Clinic                ajulian@mayo.edu
     Larson, Joann           Kaiser Permanente          joann.larson@kp.org
     Pratt, Doug             Siemens                    Douglas.Pratt@siemens.com
     Spronk, René            Ringholm GmbH              Rene.Spronk@Ringholm.nl


     Stuart, Sandy           Kaiser Permanente          sandra.stuart@kp.org
     Thomas, Greg            Kaiser Permanente          Greg.J.Thomas@kp.org
                             Gordon Point Informatics   Michael.vanCampen@Gpinformatic
     vanCampen, Michael      Ltd                        s.com




                                                                               Page 81 of 90
                                                Agenda
    #      Key    Description                                Presenter    Action Needed                  Time
    1             Call to Order
    2             Agenda approval
    3             Announcements                                                                          5 (1-3)
    4             Action Items                                                                           10
    5             New Proposals from Canada to               Michael
                  support e-prescribing                      VanCampen
    6             V2 Items of concern
    7             V2 Status – report from pubs meeting
    8             Meeting Evaluation
    9             Agenda for next WGM
    10            Ballot Status
    11            Direction of InM
    12            Co-chair responsibilities
    13            Preparation of Phoenix Minutes
    14            Adjournment




    I.     Call to Order

           The meeting was called to order by the chair, Joann Larson at 9:08 AM
           MST. Tony Julian was the scribe. Quorum attained.

    II.    Agenda approval

           Approved upon a motion by unanimous declaration

    III.   Announcements

           None

    IV.    Action Items

           ..

                                              Action Items
#          Description               Who           History/Update                               Status        Area
           20050909: Request         Joann         20050909: Larson: Submitted to PIC:          Open          admin



                                                                                         Page 82 of 90
     change to Bylaw 15                Section 14 of the POLPRO document
                                       describes no appeals proces for committee
                                       level ballots nor DSTUs. Given that
                                       informative ballots have an appeals proces
                                       (POLPRO Appendix A, section 5), and that
                                       membersip ballots have an appeals
                                       process, this is probably an unintentional
                                       oversight. -Your negative line items were
                                       given the disposition "persuasive" or
                                       "persuasive with mod", the appeals proces
                                       is only related to items that were found to
                                       be "not persuasive".
                                       This again probably needs to be
                                       addressed when the POLPRO are
                                       revised,to include other dispositions as
                                       well. -POLPRO 15.10.01 (although meant
                                       to be used to appeal "Not Persuasive"
                                       decisions in a membership ballot)states
                                       that "If, in a two-thirds majority opinion of
                                       the Board of Directors, there is found to be
                                       insufficient cause for confirmation and
                                       appeal [i.e. a special ballot round] the
                                       request shall recieve no further action
                                       beyond subsequent notification of the
                                       requester".
                                       20050911: Larson: Discussed in BPR. I did
                                       not have the issue statement handy, so
                                       reconstructed from memory. Feedback
                                       was that the Appeals process is open only
                                       to line items found Not Persuasive.
                                       20050916: We should rule things not
                                       persuasive (as opposed to persuasive with
                                       mod) unless submitter is ok with the mod.
                                       20060113 WGM no progress.
88   20040930: contact       CQ co-    20050506: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout: no            Open     admin
     PIC and develop a       chairs.   update
     procedure to track
                                       20050911: Larson: Needs clarification. Do
     action items that are
                                       we really mean Action Items? Isn’t it ballot
     referred to other
                                       line items that we have a problem with?
     committees
                                       Issue regarding management of ballot line
                                       items referred to other committees
                                       (actually other ballot pools) was
                                       resubmitted to PIC this week. PIC agreed
                                       work on procedure.
                                       20050916:This does need to go to PIC
                                       20051128 INM Telcon: Joann will take to
                                       PIC
                                       20060113 WGM no progress. bylaws has
                                       not met
96   20041001:               René      20041109: CQ Telcon: in progress                Closed   admin



                                                                               Page 83 of 90
Research how       20050112: email from Rene as follows:
requirements for
committee          “From our DMP: “Committee meetings are
membership and     open to all interested parties including but
voting may be      not limited to members of HL7, HL7
enforced.          affiliates, and guests of HL7 as referenced
                   in the HL7 Bylaws – Article 3.02.”.
                   “Guests are welcome to participate in the
                   work of the committee and are recognized
                   as either guests of HL7, e.g., not a
                   member of HL7, or guests of the CQ TC,
                   e.g., a member of HL7 but not a declared
                   member of the CQ TC.”
                   “When formal votes are taken the chair will
                   explain the eligibility for voting. Registered
                   CQ TC members shall always receive a
                   vote in keeping with ANSI openness rules.
                   (.. snip ..). For non-binding decisions only,
                   all meeting participants may have the
                   opportunity to vote at the discretion of the
                   presiding chair.” - Note that this means
                   that non-declared CQ members that
                   participate in a CQ meeting don’t have a
                   vote.


                   From the bylaws: “3.03.03 TECHNICAL
                   COMMITTEE AND SPECIAL INTEREST
                   GROUP MEMBERSHIP - Members shall
                   have the opportunity to declare themselves
                   members of any one or more Technical
                   Committees and Special Interest Groups.
                   Maintaining membership in a Technical
                   Committee requires that the member
                   participate in at least 60% of the Technical
                   Committee ballots pertaining to approval or
                   adoption of HL7 protocol specifications, or
                   any portion thereof, cast during the period
                   of one year from the date of declaration.”
                   However, the bylaws also state this: “5.01
                   PARTICIPANTS - Non-members and
                   representative members of all categories
                   and affiliations in good standing and
                   present in assembly shall be deemed
                   participants and, except as otherwise
                   specifically provided in the bylaws or policy
                   and procedures, shall have the right to
                   cast a vote in meetings of the
                   Technical Committees and Special Interest
                   Groups.” - 3.03.03 is contained elsewhere
                   in the bylaws, so it takes precedence over
                   the more generic statement in 5.01




                                                           Page 84 of 90
                                             From this one can conclude the following:
                                             -Only self-declared registered members of
                                             CQ have a vote. The lose their right to vote
                                             if they don’r ollowing e in at least 60% of
                                             all ballots in the year ollowing their sign-
                                             up.
                                             -The often quoted rule that “all those
                                             signed up to the CQ e-mail list”
                                             automatically are to be seen as “registered
                                             CQ members” doesn’t exist.
                                             It seems that at least we’ll have to ask HQ
                                             for a list of persons that have indicated
                                             they want to be a member of CQ.”
                                             20050319: rene: needs follow up on a
                                             steering call.
                                             20050506: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:
                                             Bylaw review is in process, this will be part
                                             of it. Joann is following up with them.
                                             20050916: Is being addressed
                                             20051128 INM Telcon: Still in Bylaw
                                             Committee
                                             20060113 WGM closed with exhaustion.
132    2004007 Request          Joann        20041001: Not always possible (some             Open     admin
       PIC to create a                       elements are V2 artifacts) but the analysis
       process to ensure                     needs to be done always.
       that those that bring
                                             20050506: CQ WGM Noordwijkerhout:
       forward v2 proposals
                                             Doug will ask PIC about status.
       should include a v3
       mapping analysis                      20050916: Joann will take to PIC
                                             20051128 INM Telcon: Joann will take to
                                             PIC
                                             20060113 WGM no progress. Joann has
                                             not been to pic – open with guilt
1025   20051114: Prefaces       T Julian     20051114: Propose to pubs to have               Open     admin
       at Topic Level, Pubs                  preface at the topic level, instead of just
       issue, need to take                   having a preface at the domain level. If
       this up with Pubs.                    one has a varied range of Topics it makes
       Results from MCCI                     no sense to have all preface comments at
       R2 C1 ballot rec.                     the domain level.
       item 134.
                                             20060113 WGM pubs will consider.
                                             Supported by pharmacy.
       20060113 WGM             Joann/Tony   Investigate the validity of the use of ballot   New
       Investigate the                       comments to add to content in lieu of a
       validity of the use of                proposal.
       ballot comments to
                                             Someone negative balloted the content
       add to content in lieu
                                             negatively based on the content not
       of a proposal.
                                             covering use case x.



                                                                                      Page 85 of 90
PUBS   20060113 WGM             Tony          Agreed to fix the ballot reconciliation
       Agreed to fix the                      spreadsheet for the drop down to match
       ballot reconciliation                  the correct dispositions etc.
       spreadsheet for the
       drop down to match
       the correct
       dispositions etc.
       20060113 WGM INM         Rene          Motion will be proposed when we get the              MCAI
       considers                              Minutes from MnM.
       recommendation
       from MnM to change
       the default value of
       context conduction in
       the control-act
       wrapper to not be a
       constant value.
       20061013 WGM:
       Tony will get copies
       of existing v2.6 RFIs,
       modify, and submit
       to HQ.
       20061013 WGM:
       Find out the Hotel
       has wireless in
       meeting rooms –
       check with Lillian and
       hotel if need be.
       Tony will add InM
       SanAntonio agenda
       from wiki to minutes.
       Contact JAVA sig re
       meeting/accountabilit
       y. Might be a project
       instead a sig?
       Joint work item for      RENE/Securi
       use of digital           ty TC
       signature in control
       act wrapper

 V.    Four new proposals from Canada

       Michael announced intention to submit proposals:

       1. Act reference – have a require necessary to have patient and act id
          added to Act. Rene: Already on the list shared message
          (acceptance/reject interactions (COMT) proposal Michael to send to
          Rene for Committee level ballot(850).




                                                                                   Page 86 of 90
        2. Retract/Undo(AKA retract request) – as a shared message(COMT -
           851) MnM has agreed to the concept. Proposal will include formal
           statement from MnM

        3. Adjustments to control act wrappers(MCAI) to include consent,
           location, and issues. Best guess for balloting is May2008. (852)

        4. Context conduction in the wrapper(MCAI) MnM has made a
           recommendation to InM, so this is on our to-do list. See action items.

VI.     V2 item to discuss

        We deprecated the QRD and QRF segments in chapter 5. Joann believes
        that there is a new query in 2.6 that uses the deprecated QRD. Should it
        happen that new queries have been based on this the committee
        proposing same must be notified that this must be removed. The
        committee feels that this is not according to the usage rules for
        deprecated artifacts.

VII.    V2 Status – Report from Pubs

        V2.6 will be balloted in May at Membership 3. All chapters are going.
        Jane Foard is now a co-chair of v2 pubs.

        Tony will take query and send reconciliation package to HQ via the web
        page so designated.

        Those with chapter responsibilities need to get negatives withdrawn, if it
        has not been done.

        UAC needs to be removed from the Master File Notification (Event M01).
        The segment was added to a deprecated message. Joann/Sandy 5-0-0



VIII.   Meeting Evaluation

        What worked: OID symposium went well.

        Michael: what worked for me was strong leadership that focused on the
        comments, and focused the discussion during ballot reconciliation.

        Co-chairs schedule being done ahead. Minutes template for every
        quarter.




                                                                          Page 87 of 90
      Improvement:

      Ballot database would work better – Doug will make a new form for in-
      person reconciliation. Tony will send e-mail to Doug to add the “find item
      number feature”

      Action items sorted by topic. Imbedded in the template. Full wireless
      access would allow us to access the wiki directly. Joann found it difficult
      to get them into the minutes. We are looking at our action items! Joann
      feels we need to have them in the minutes. Rene: we could update in the
      wiki, and scrape the contents into the appendix to the minutes. Doug: Is
      there something in the action item that could point them to the proper
      quarter.

      Tony will ask Russ Hamm about a Php script that would generate a
      number. Ask russ if export/import from one wiki to another? Shared pages
      domain.

      Tony suggested separating into a separate page for each topic.

      Action: Find out the Hotel has wireless in meeting rooms – check with
      Lillian and hotel if need be.

      Improvements: Notify action item holders when the item will be discussed.

      Capture the oid of the person who is assigned, baring that, at least get the
      full name.

      Co-chairs should be the keeper of the database – loaned out to others as
      needed.

      Prepared motions did not reflect the chapter and verse reference of the
      issue.

IX.   Agenda for next WGM

      Attached.

X.    Ballot Status

      January 2006 ballot cycle – Shared messages 15 open line items – can
      solve on one call.

      September 2005 ballot cycle

         MCCI unresolved 6 neg. 110 affirmatives, 15 known issues that require
         significant discussion.



                                                                       Page 88 of 90
         ATS: significant outstanding negatives and affirmatives to be resolved:
         we have some fundamental things to work out.

         WebServices: we made headway, but there are significant outstanding
         issues.

      May 2005 ballot cycle

         Remaining ballot reconciliation

         MLLP must be posted.(Tony, this means now! Not next WGM)



XI.   Direction of InM

      The committee agrees to the necessity to have an out-of-cycle to discuss
      transports.

      Agenda: Shared messages ballot May 2006.

      Removable Media Transport May 2006.

      ATS September 2006

      MCCI September 2006

      Web Services TBD

      EbXML May 2006

      Control act wrapper domains(MCAI, MFMI, QUQI) Ballot
      January/May2007

      NOTE to tony: mcci is also in this domain.

      Abstract Data Types R2:

          Ballot May2006 for comment?

         September 2006 ballot Committee 1.

      XML ITS data types R2:

         Ballot May 2006 for comment?

         September 2006 ballot Committee 1.

      XML ITS Structures?


                                                                      Page 89 of 90
             September 2006 ballot Committee 1.

        UML?

             September 2006 ballot Committee 1.

        V2.6 ballot in May2006

             Tony will get/do RFI’s.

             Verify notification/retraction of Negatives

           Verify content for examples including real people – reconcile to Story
        board approved names/addresses etc.

             29 Jan 2006 Requests for substantivity direction to ARB

             19 Feb 2006 Rfi Due to HQ

             26 Feb 2006 Content to HQ for macro generation

             5 March 2006 Content to Frank Oemig

             12 March 2006 Committee review

             19 March 2006 Final Content due




XII.    Preparation of Phoenix Minutes

        Tony will coordinate and compile. Cleanup the empty tables. Merge
        action items to wiki. Tony will remember to re-number chapter. Tony will
        enter numbers for new action items after putting on the wiki.

XIII.   Co-chair responsibilities

        ..

XIV.    Adjournment

        The meeting was adjourned at 12:00 P.M. MST upon a motion by Tony
        Julian and second by Rene.




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