FUTA STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING NOTES – SEPTEMBER 12, 2002
Fire Use Training Academy
2205 Columbia SE
Albuquerque, NM 87106
Buff Jebsen-Ross, BIA-Albuquerque Regional Office
Edy Williams-Rhodes, FS-AFM
Kim Osborn, FWS; FUTA
Bess Dickson, FS; PFTC, Florida
Mary Zabinski, FS-AFM/PAO
Lester Tisino, BLM, Arizona
L. Dean Clark, NPS-Bandelier NM
Carol Salo, BLM-NMSO
Pam Bostwick, FS, Cibola NF-Mountainair RD
Dave Kirgan, BIA-Mescalero Agency
Emily Irwin, FS-FUTA
Eric Chavez, FS, Cibola NF-Mountainair RD
Bette Telles, FS-AFM
Karen Michaud, BLM-NMSO
Jerome Macdonald, FS-AFM
Phil Range, BLM-Boise, ID
Bequi Livingston, FS-FUTA
Margueritte Bolles, FS-PDB
WELCOME, HOUSEKEEPING AND RULES – Bette Telles-Facilitator
INTRODUCTION--Edy Williams-Rhodes, Director, AFM
FUTA has been a long-term commitment by many.
It is a great tool for fire management--interagency, fire use, fuels management,
leadership development and technical expertise.
A great opportunity with a new staff, new facility, new thinking and perspective.
An effort we can make together. I encourage you to continue what you are doing.
AGENDA. Bette Telles –
No Changes Made to Agenda.
FUTA Steering Committee - Agenda
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2002
0900 – 1700
0900-0915 Welcome, Introductions Edy Williams-Rhodes
0915 -1015 2003 Annual Operating Costs, Jerome Macdonald
Budget, MOU - Review existing
1030-1130 Steering Committee Charter Emily Irwin
Other members (stakeholders)
1230-1300 Florida Academy – PFTC Bess Dickson – PFTC
1300-1400 Current/Future Status of Academy Emily Irwin
Length of Academy
Number of Students
Dates of Academy
1415-1630 Where Does FUTA Go From Here? Emily Irwin/
(review & discuss 5 year vision) Bequi Livingston
1645 Bin Items
Schedule next meeting All
LEAD TO LEARN, LEARN TO LEAD
I. 2002 Annual operating costs, Budget, MOU, Review of existing
Annual Operating Costs for FY ‘03:
About $75,000 is needed to remodel the Columbia Building’s south end to
include office space for 2 BLM/BIA positions, multi-purpose room and a fitness
room with showers.
The USFS has taken over the lease from GSA; Bill Candelaria is the leasing
agent. Building plans will be submitted to Bill in October.
Interagency Operating Costs Spreadsheet
The FY 2002 Annual Operating Costs Spreadsheet was updated and shows
contributions by agency, including contributions beyond exchange of dollars.
Each agency covers costs of their students’ travel and overtime, and any field
coordinators’ extra time at the Academy.
Financial agreements will be finalized by the second quarter of FY03. We will tier
off of the existing MOU with a new interagency agreement listing purpose and
dollar amount. The interagency agreement will include an operating plan, which
can be revised periodically without changing the interagency agreement.
Overall student participation of agencies: FS—50%, BIA—25%, BLM—25%,
Jerome Macdonald—FS, FUTA program manager, Regional Training
Emily Irwin—FS, full-time lead coordinator
Bequi Livingston—FS, full-time lead field coordinator
Kim Osborn—FWS, training specialist (6 mo.), SWCC dispatcher (6 mo.)
Glenda Womack—FS seasonal training specialist, coordinator Wildland
Fire NWCG training outside the FUTA curriculum
Charley Luevano—BLM, full-time position, starts December 3, 2002
Approximately $35,000: BLM will cover the 2 vehicles that arrived and for
two additional vehicles scheduled for March 1, 2003. Current vehicle
agreements between the Albuquerque Field Office and FUTA.
BIA provides two vehicles, cost covered by the Southwest Regional Office
of the BIA.
Two additional vehicles provided by the USFS/ Southwestern Region/AFM
Any leased vehicles are provided by the USFS; anticipate two for the fall
Currently, the FS has MOU with the BLM, BIA, FWS, and NPS. In the past, the
BLM has used task orders coming to the Forest Service for operating dollars.
The MOU was amended in August 2001 to reflect agency unit name changes.
BIA: Contact is John Waconda, SW Regional Office. BIA covers all BIA costs;
student costs; and any contributions to operations, such as vehicles, equipment,
on a case by case basis. In FY 2001, BIA contributed $60,000 to building
construction, the FS $192,000.
FWS: FWS is a recent contributor with a few students. Kim Osborn’s training
specialist position is the FWS contribution in FY02. In the past, FWS has
contributed needed equipment. FWS currently has the FUTA request for
$30,000 in FY03 remodeling costs.
NPS: Through Bandelier NM, NPS has contributed equipment and helped with
training, including a lead coordinator. Student participation is 3%. NPS is
awaiting confirmation on a $15,000 line item request.
BLM: Based on the MOU, BLM has an annual interagency agreement to cover
operating costs. FY 02 task order is for $140,000, which provided for operating
cost, and one-time move in costs. Fuels dollars from the national office to BLM-
NMSO. The State Office then completes a task order with USFS SW-RO
Trainee lodging & accommodations –Bequi Livingston & Jerome
FUTA has used the Candlewood Suites in Albuquerque during classroom
training. The facilities have worked well because of the amentities for the
students and the 30-day rate is low. In some cases, dual lodging has been an
issue. To mitigate and save dollars, students check in and out during the second
30 days of the session. We seek Government housing on projects where
available. During the Fall sessions, accommodations become scarce during the
Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta. Candlewood offers lower rates during peak times
and has an excellent history of accommodating FUTA trainee needs.
II. Steering Committee Charter; Review of Charter; SW Training
The FUTA Steering Committee charter is not tied to the SW Training Council nor
to the SW Fire Management Board. The Steering Committee’s role should be
examined in terms of players, commitment, roles, issues, guidelines, direction
over the next five years, and needed changes.
Trainee needs will be reflected in the Charter.
Each member will have one vote.
Chair position will be decided by the full Steering Committee.
The Steering Committee will meet twice yearly (April/November).
Committee needs stakeholders from our national offices.
Steering Committee membership:
Chair—to be elected
Program Manager/FS RO-AFM—Jerome Macdonald
Lead Field Coordinator—Emily Irwin
Lead Field Coordinator—Bequi Livingston
AZ Forests—Roy Hall
NM Forests—will recruit
NPS—Dean Clark, primary, ___ Linebach
BLM—Karen Michaud & Lester Tisino
IHC rep vacant
III. National Interagency Prescribed Fire Training Center;
Tallahassee, Florida—Bess Dickson
Created in 1997 and administered by the Forest Service, PFTC is a 3-week
program vs. FUTA’s 8-week program. Its goal is the same as FUTA’s:
qualification/experience in prescribed fire, but PFTC focuses heavily on actual
burning. Beginning in FY03, students will be able to apply for a 5-hour
undergraduate credit. PFTC’s operating plan is based on percentage of
participants; operating expenses are shared with other agencies.
Work on sharing programs and students in the future.
IV. Current/Future Status of FUTA—Emily Irwin
Stay with the current curriculum; update core curriculum based on NWCG
updates to prescribed fire curriculum, student, field coordinator feed back and
managers input. Suggestions include: use short topics to address advanced
needs, technology changes, or special emphasis areas based on project
Discuss detail opportunities for trainers qualified as RXB2, have FUTA/PFTC
serve as clearinghouses for burn bosses for projects and training. Discuss the
need to tie these trainers and the field coordinators to more active mentoring.
V. Where does FUTA go from here? 5-year vision--Emily Irwin
Career and leadership development: Academy level (entry/mid-/advanced)
and a successful mentoring program for Academy graduates. Develop a
mentoring training for field coordinators.
Training Coordination & Management: Develop a full partnership with PFTC
including college accreditation, sharing field coordinators and other resources,
joint development of special sessions, fire use session, line officer session,
monitoring analysis and planning. Recruit field coordinators.
Curriculum Definition & Innovation: Develop short topics--technology transfer,
problem-solving, interpersonal relationships. Develop a simulation training room
in support of NWCG courses. Serve as a field testing center for NWCG
prescribed fire course rewrites and a development center for new courses.
Training Delivery & Technology: Secure high-level cadre for FUTA courses.
Strengthen partnerships with San Dimas Technology & Development Center and
Los Alamos National Laboratory, to facilitate the development of a prescribed fire
use simulation exercises.
Contact Emily Irwin if you’re interested in serving on a small group to review
FUTA’s current/future status.
VI. Bin items discussions
Tuition – discuss the use of tuition in the future; group agreed that not charging
tuition is the best.
Recruit instructors—Utilize all agencies’ national expertise and seek the highest-
Course credit for specific RX course work, (Emily/Bette Telles); Bess Dickson will
send syllabus from Tallahassee Community College.
October open house at the Columbia Building for stakeholders was cancelled;
National Interagency Fuels Meeting in Denver, November 12-14. Emily will
participate to market FUTA, and possibly PFTC.
PFTC Steering Committee meeting in Orlando, Florida, October 10-11. Emily
and Jerome will attend do a FUTA presentation.