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                                        15th CONGRESS, SECOND REGULAR SESSION

                            HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Vol. 1                                    Thursday, September 15, 2011                                No. 17c

              RESUMPTION OF SESSION                                TERMINATE THE CONTRACT REGARDING
                                                                   THE PROJECT”
    At 10:00 a.m., the session was resumed with Deputy         By Representatives Mariano, Casiño and De Jesus
Speaker Raul A. Daza presiding.                                TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is          House Resolution No. 1714, entitled:
resumed.                                                       “A RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING MS.
    The Floor Leader is recognized.                                SHAMCEY SUPSUP FOR PLACING THIRD
                                                                   RUNNER-UP IN THE MISS UNIVERSE 2011
     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we take up the           BEAUTY PAGEANT HELD ON SEPTEMBER
Additional Reference of Business and may we request that           13, 2011 AT SAO PAOLO, BRAZIL”
the Secretary General be directed to read the same.            By Representatives Co and Batocabe
                                                               TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is    House Resolution No. 1715, entitled:
approved.                                                      “A RESOLUTION COMMENDING MS. SHAMCEY
     The Secretary General is so directed to read the              SUPSUP FOR COPPING THIRD RUNNER-UP
Additional Reference of Business.                                  HONORS IN THE MISS UNIVERSE PAGEANT
                                                                   HELD IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL ON
         ADDITIONAL REFERENCE OF BUSINESS                          SEPTEMBER 13, 2011, AND FOR OTHER
                                                                   PURPOSES”
    The Secretary General read the following House Bill        By Representative Zamora-Apsay
and Resolutions on First Reading, Message from the Senate      TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
and Committee Reports, and the Deputy Speaker made the
corresponding references:                                   House Resolution No. 1716, entitled:
                                                               “RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND
               BILL ON FIRST READING                               COMMENDING MS. SHAMCEY SUPSUP OF
                                                                   GENERAL SANTOS CITY FOR HER VICTORY
House Bill No. 5280, entitled:                                     IN THE MS. UNIVERSE PAGEANT HELD AT
   “AN ACT ESTABLISHING A BRANCH OFFICE OF                         SAO PAULO, BRAZIL”
       THE REGISTER OF DEEDS IN CALAMBA                        By Representative Lopez (C.J.)
       CITY, PROVINCE OF LAGUNA AND                            TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       APPROPRIATING FUNDS THEREFOR”
   By Representative Chipeco                                House Resolution No. 1717, entitled:
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE                                 “RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING MS.
                                                                   SHAMCEY SUPSUP FOR WINNING 3 RD
                    RESOLUTIONS                                    RUNNER-UP DURING THE MS. UNIVERSE
                                                                   2011 BEAUTY PAGEANT HELD AT SAO
House Resolution No. 1713, entitled:                               PAOLO, BRAZIL”
   “RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEES                        By Representative Sarmiento (C.)
       ON       AGRARIAN             REFORM AND                TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       TRANSPORTATION TO JOINTLY REVIEW THE
       PLANNED            CONSTRUCTION       OF             House Resolution No. 1718, entitled:
       INTERMODAL BUS-TRAIN STATION/DEPOT                      “RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND
       AND OTHER STATIONS OF METRO RAIL                            COMMENDING THE WINNERS OF THE 2011
       TRANSIT (MRT) 7 INCLUDING ITS EFFECTS                       METROBANK FOUNDATION SEARCH FOR
       ON THE LIVELIHOOD AND WELFARE OF                            THE        COUNTRY’S          OUTSTANDING
       FARMERS AND URBAN POOR RESIDENTS IN                         POLICEMEN IN SERVICE (COPS) NAMELY
       THE AFFECTED AREAS AND IF WARRANTED,                        POLICE CHIEF INSPECTOR DELIA J.
2                                                                 THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2011

        INGALLA, SENIOR POLICE OFFICER 4                WINNING AS 3RD RUNNER-UP IN THE JUST
        EMMANUEL P. ISIANG, SENIOR POLICE               CONCLUDED 2011 MISS UNIVERSE BEAUTY
        OFFICER 2 HELEN L. DELA CRUZ, SENIOR            PAGEANT”
        POLICE OFFICER 1 MANUEL A. PADIAN,          By Representatives Castelo and Banal
        POLICE OFFICER 3 RODEL U. ALCANO AND        TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
        POLICE OFFICER 2 RINA D. SALAYA, AND
        THE WINNERS OF THE 2011 METROBANK       House Resolution No. 1725, entitled:
        FOUNDATION          SEARCH  FOR  THE       “RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE SPECIAL
        OUTSTANDING PHILIPPINE SOLDIERS                COMMITTEE             ON         MILLENNIUM
        (TOPS) NAMELY COLONEL DANIEL A.                DEVELOPMENT GOALS TO CONDUCT AN
        LUCERO, MASTER SERGEANT SIXTO P.               INQUIRY, IN AID OF LEGISLATION, ON THE
        NAVARROSA, CHIEF MASTER SERGEANT               STATUS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF
        BILLY C. BENEBILE, COLONEL ALEXANDER           REPUBLIC ACT NO. 9418 OTHERWISE
        F. BALUTAN, TECHNICAL SERGEANT                 KNOWN AS THE VOLUNTEERISM ACT OF
        ROMMEL CARBON, DATA PROCESSOR 3                2007,      AND       ON       THE   VARIOUS
        JAIRUS M. CENABRE, COLONEL RAUL DEL            VOLUNTEERISM EFFORTS UNDERTAKEN BY
        ROSARIO, MASTER SERGEANT MARIA                 CONCERNED NATIONAL GOVERNMENT
        TERESA M. BITONG, MASTER SERGEANT              AGENCIES, LOCAL GOVERNMENT UNITS
        NELSON S. MERCADO AND COLONEL                  AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WITH SPECIAL
        ALEXIS TAMONDONG”                              FOCUS ON THE ACHIEVEMENT OF THE
    By Representative Tupas                            EIGHT (8) MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT
    TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                          GOALS”
                                                   By Representatives Remulla, Teves, Ting, Catamco,
House Resolution No. 1719, entitled:                   Palatino, Sacdalan and Sahidulla
   “RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND                  TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       COMMENDING SHAMCEY SUPSUP FOR
       PLACING THIRD RUNNER-UP IN THE 2011      House Resolution No. 1726, entitled:
       MISS UNIVERSE PAGEANT”                      “A RESOLUTION PERSUADING HOUSE
   By Representative Mercado-Revilla                   COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION TO
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                           PROBE INTO THE PROCUREMENT OF P250
                                                       MILLION-WORTH OF AIDS TO NAVIGATION
House Resolution No. 1720, entitled:                   EQUIPMENT BY DEPARTMENT OF
   “RESOLUTION COMMENDING SHAMCEY                      TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNICATIONS
       SUPSUP OF GENERAL SANTOS CITY FOR               FOR PHILIPPINE COAST GUARD IN
       PLACING THIRD RUNNER-UP IN THE 2011             VIOLATION OF EXISTING RULES OF
       MISS UNIVERSE PAGEANT HELD ON                   COMMISSION ON AUDIT”
       SEPTEMBER 12, 2011 (SEPTEMBER 13, 2011      By Representative Castelo
       IN MANILA) AT CREDICARD HALL IN SAO         TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       PAOLO, BRAZIL”
   By Representative Acharon                    House Resolution No. 1727, entitled:
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                       “RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND
                                                       COMMENDING MS. SHAMCEY SUPSUP FOR
House Resolution No. 1721, entitled:                   FINISHING THIRD RUNNER-UP IN THE MISS
   “RESOLUTION COMMENDING MRS. MARCELA                 UNIVERSE BEAUTY PAGEANT HELD ON 12
       JINGCO OF ANGELES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL             SEPTEMBER 2011 AT THE CREDICARD HALL
       FOR BEING THE RECIPIENT OF THE 2011             IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL”
       METROBANK            FOUNDATION MOST        By Representative Cajayon
       OUTSTANDING TEACHER AWARD”                  TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
   By Representative Lazatin
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                    House Resolution No. 1728, entitled:
                                                   “RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND
House Resolution No. 1722, entitled:                   COMMENDING FILIPINO BEAUTY QUEEN
   “A RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND                    SHAMCEY GURREA SUPSUP FOR FINISHING
       COMMENDING MS. LEA SALONGA FOR                  THIRD RUNNER-UP IN THE MISS UNIVERSE
       BEING AMONG THIS YEAR’S DISNEY                  PAGEANT ON 13 SEPTEMBER 2011 AT THE
       LEGENDS AWARD HONOREES”                         CREDICARD HALL, SAO PAULO, BRAZIL”
   By Representatives Castelo and Banal            By Representatives Nograles, Cua, Dimaporo (F.) and
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                           Velarde
                                                   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
House Resolution No. 1723, entitled:
   “A RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND             House Resolution No. 1729, entitled:
       COMMENDING MS. SHAMCEY SUPSUP FOR           “RESOLUTION          URGING         THE   HOUSE
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2011                                                                   3

       COMMITTEE ON BANKS AND FINANCIAL                  NATIONAL LIVELIHOOD DEVELOPMENT
       INTERMEDIARIES           AND    OTHER             CORPORATION FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
       APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES, TO CONDUCT                OF A LIVELIHOOD PROJECT IN SAN JOSE
       AN INQUIRY, IN AID OF LEGISLATION ON              CITY, NUEVA ECIJA WHICH IS A MODEL OF
       THE STATE OF BANK STABILITY AND                   PUBLIC-PRIVATE SECTOR PARTICIPATION”
       REVIEW        THE     STANDARDS   AND         By Representative Palmones
       REGULATIONS SET BY THE BANGKO                 TO THE COMMITTEE ON POVERTY
       SENTRAL NG PILIPINAS (BSP) IN THE                 ALLEVIATION
       OPERATIONS OF BANKS IN THE
       PHILIPPINES”                               House Resolution No. 1733, entitled:
   By Representative Quisumbing                      “A RESOLUTION COMMENDING MS. SHAMCEY
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                             SUPSUP FOR HAVING BEEN CHOSEN AS 4TH
                                                         MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN OF THE
House Resolution No. 1730, entitled:                     UNIVERSE IN 2011 AND AN INSPIRATION TO
   “A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE HOUSE                     MILLIONS OF FILIPINAS”
       COMMITTEE ON BANKS AND FINANCIAL              By Representative Palmones
       INTERMEDIARIES TO CONDUCT AN                  TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       IMMEDIATE INQUIRY, IN AID OF
       LEGISLATION, ON THE CURRENT                House Resolution No. 1734, entitled:
       FINANCIAL STATUS AND CONDITION OF             “RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE ON
       LBC DEVELOPMENT BANK AND ITS                      LEGISLATIVE FRANCHISES TO CONDUCT AN
       MANAGEMENT BY THE BANGKO SENTRAL                  INQUIRY, IN AID OF LEGISLATION, INTO THE
       NG PILIPINAS (BSP)”                               POSSIBLE FAVORABLE TREATMENT BY THE
   By Representative Cortuna                             PHILIPPINE AMUSEMENT AND GAMING
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                             CORPORATION (PAGCOR) IN THE GRANT OF
                                                         ONLY ONE PROVISIONAL LICENSE TO THE
House Resolution No. 1731, entitled:                     TRAVELLERS INTERNATIONAL HOTEL
   “RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE HOUSE                       GROUP, INC. TO OPERATE IN TWO SITES,
       COMMITTEE             ON      GOVERNMENT          DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS A NEED TO
       ENTERPRISES AND PRIVATIZATION TO                  ENACT APPROPRIATE LEGISLATIVE
       INVESTIGATE IN AID OF LEGISLATION THE             MEASURE TO ADDRESS POSSIBLE ABUSE
       ROYAL SAVINGS BANK/COMSAVINGS BANK                ON THE POWERS OF PAGCOR AS
       - NOW GSIS FAMILY BANK, A GOVERNMENT              STIPULATED IN ITS CHARTER TO GRANT
       BANKING INSTITUTION, ON THE                       LICENSES AND TO ENTER INTO
       HUMONGOUS LOSSES IN SEVERAL                       CONTRACTS, AND/OR THE NECESSITY TO
       BILLIONS OF PESOS IT SUFFERED DUE TO              RESCIND THE SAME IF ESSENTIAL TO
       CONTINUING IMPRUDENT AND UNSOUND                  PROTECT PUBLIC INTEREST”
       BANKING OPERATIONS TO THE DETRIMENT           By Representatives Robes and Lapus
       AND PREJUDICE OF THE INTEREST OF ITS          TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       DEPOSITORS, THE MEMBERS OF THE GSIS
       WHOSE MONEY WAS POURED INTO THE            House Resolution No. 1735, entitled:
       BANK, THE DEPOSITORS, OTHER                   “RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE ON
       STOCKHOLDERS AND THE BANKING                      LEGISLATIVE FRANCHISES TO INQUIRE, IN
       SYSTEM; AND WHY THE BANK HAS NOT                  AID OF LEGISLATION, WHETHER THE CIVIL
       BEEN REHABILITATED, REVIVED AND                   AERONAUTICS BOARD IS FAITHFULLY AND
       RESTORED TO FINANCIAL HEALTH SINCE IT             EFFECTIVELY EXERCISING ITS DELEGATED
       WAS REOPENED IN SEPTEMBER 1984 AS A               SUPERVISORY AND JURISDICTIONAL
       SUBSIDIARY OF GSIS, AND WHY THE                   AUTHORITY OVER AIR TRANSPORTATION
       COVENANTS, TERMS, CONDITIONS, AND                 PARTICULARLY THE FIFTEEN DOMESTIC
       UNDERTAKINGS IT HAD ENTERED INTO                  NON-SCHEDULED/AIR TAXI OPERATORS
       WITH THE STOCKHOLDERS OF THEN ROYAL               GRANTED PERMITS IN 2010 AND 2011
       SAVINGS BANK WERE NOT COMPLIED                    WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL FRANCHISE,
       WITH”                                             DETERMINE IF THERE IS ANY NEGLECT OR
   By Representative Valencia                            ABUSE, AND RECOMMEND APPROPRIATE
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                             ACTION BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE
                                                         INQUIRY”
House Resolution No. 1732, entitled:                 By Representative Robes
   “A RESOLUTION COMMENDING THE KALASAG              TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       NG KABABAIHAN SA BARANGAY, SAN JOSE,
       NUEVA ECIJA, THE CITY OF SAN JOSE,         House Resolution No. 1736, entitled:
       JOLLIBEE FOODS CORPORATION, THE               “A RESOLUTION PERSUADING THE HOUSE
       CATHOLIC RELIEF SERVICES AND THE                  COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS TO ASK
4                                                                             THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2011

         DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION TO ADJUST                        PHILIPPINES SHAMCEY SUPSUP FOR BEING
         CHALK ALLOWANCE OF TEACHERS FROM                         ADJUDGED THIRD RUNNER-UP IN THE 2011
         P700 TO P2,000 AND SAME BE INCLUDED IN                   MISS UNIVERSE BEAUTY PAGEANT”
         ITS 2012 BUDGET ACCORDINGLY”                          By Representatives Belmonte (F.), Gonzales (N.) and
     By Representative Castelo                                    Lagman
     TO THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS                        TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES

House Resolution No. 1737, entitled:                       House Resolution No. 1743, entitled:
   “A     RESOLUTION            FOR  HOUSE  OF                “RESOLUTION EXPRESSING THE PROFOUND
       REPRESENTATIVES TO UNEQUIVOCALLY                           CONDOLENCE OF THE HOUSE OF
       ENDORSE THE NOMINATION OF SEN.                             REPRESENTATIVES ON THE DEMISE OF MR.
       MIRIAM          SANTIAGO       TO   THE                    TEODORO B. BAGUILAT, SR., FATHER OF THE
       INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT                               HONORABLE TEDDY B. BAGUILAT, JR.,
       THEREBY         IMPLYING      FULL  AND                    REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LONE DISTRICT
       AFFIRMATIVE RATIFICATION OF CONGRESS                       OF IFUGAO”
       OF THE ROME STATUTE WHICH                              By Representatives Belmonte (F.), Gonzales (N.) and
       ESTABLISHED SUBJECT INTERNATIONAL                          Lagman
       CRIMINAL COURT”                                        TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
   By Representative Castelo
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS                                   ADDITIONAL COAUTHORS

House Resolution No. 1738, entitled:                           The list of additional coauthors is reflected in Journal
   “RESOLUTION, IN AID OF LEGISLATION, TO                  No. 17.*
       CONDUCT AN INQUIRY TO REVIEW AND
       INVESTIGATE ON THE SCOPES AND                                   MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE
       RESPECTIVE ROLES OF THE PHILIPPINE
       CHARITY SWEEPSTAKES OFFICE (PCSO)                   Message dated September 12, 2011 informing the House of
       AND THE PHILIPPINE AMUSEMENT AND                       Representatives that the Senate on even date passed
       GAMING CORPORATION (PAGCOR) ON                         Senate Bill No. 2811, entitled:
       LOTTERY AND GAMING IMPLEMENTATION”                     “AN ACT ESTABLISHING THE PEOPLE’S
   By Representatives Teves, Castro, Arnaiz, Miraflores,          SURVIVAL FUND TO PROVIDE LONG-TERM
       Defensor and Marañon                                       FINANCE STREAMS TO ENABLE THE
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                                      GOVERNMENT TO EFFECTIVELY ADDRESS
                                                                  THE PROBLEM OF CLIMATE CHANGE,
House Resolution No. 1739, entitled:                              AMENDING FOR THE PURPOSE REPUBLIC
   “A RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING AND                               ACT NO. 9729, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS ‘THE
       COMMENDING SHAMCEY G. SUPSUP FOR                           CLIMATE CHANGE ACT OF 2009’, AND FOR
       PLACING THIRD RUNNER-UP IN THE 2011                        OTHER PURPOSES”
       MISS UNIVERSE PAGEANT”                                 in which it requests the concurrence of the House of
   By Representative Olivarez                                     Representatives
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                                  TO THE COMMITTEE ON ECOLOGY

House Resolution No. 1740, entitled:                                       COMMITTEE REPORTS
   “A RESOLUTION PERSUADING HOUSE
       COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ORDER AND                       Report by the Committee on People’s Participation
       SAFETY TO ASK CHIEF, PHILIPPINE                        (Committee Report No. 1420), re H. No. 5298, entitled:
       NATIONAL POLICE TO INSTANTLY RELIEVE                   “AN ACT PROVIDING FOR THE DISCLOSURE OF
       STATION COMMANDER OF PNP STATION 5 IN                      LOBBYING ACTIVITIES IN THE PHILIPPINES,
       BARANGAY FAIRVIEW, QUEZON CITY AND                         AND PROVIDING PENALTIES THEREFOR”
       CONDUCT FULL-DRESS INVESTIGATION                       recommending its approval in substitution of House Bill
       INTO THE JAILBREAK ON 14 SEPTEMBER                         No. 1199
       2011 OF NINE INMATES CHARGED WITH                      Sponsors: Representatives Asilo, Teodoro, Cruz-
       UNBAILABLE OFFENSES AND INSURING                           Gonzales and Paez
       THEREBY THE EARLY ARREST OF THESE                      TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
       INMATES WHO FLED JAILHOUSE”
   By Representative Castelo                               Report by the Special Committee on Bicol Recovery and
   TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES                                  Economic Development (Committee Report No. 1421),
                                                              re H. R. No. 1741, entitled:
House Resolution No. 1742, entitled:                          “A RESOLUTION URGING THE PRESIDENT TO
   “RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING                     MISS             DIRECT CONCERNED GOVERNMENT

* See ANNEX (printed separately)
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2011                                                                                                  5

        AGENCIES TO              FORMULATE AND                      REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we consider the
        ESTABLISH A MECHANISM FOR THE                           budget of the Congress of the Philippines.
        TIMELY RELEASE OF CALAMITY FUNDS IN
        AREAS WHERE A ‘STATE OF CALAMITY’                           THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
        HAS BEEN DECLARED BY THE NATIONAL                       objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
        DISASTER RISK REDUCTION AND                             approved.
        MANAGEMENT COUNCIL, TO ESTABLISH A                          The Chair will now recognize the distinguished Chairman
        NATIONAL CROP INSURANCE SYSTEM AND                      of the Committee on Appropriations to resume the
        TO FORMULATE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE                      sponsorship of the measure.
        SOLUTION OF FLOODING IN THE BICOL
        REGION”                                                      REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, I am ready to answer all
    recommending its adoption pursuant to House Resolution      the questions regarding the budget of Congress of the
        No. 889, together with the findings and                 Philippines.
        recommendations of the Committee
    Sponsors: Representatives Fortuno, Gonzalez, Batocabe,         REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize
        Co, Garbin, Bichara and Ramos                           Hon. Danilo E. Suarez for his interpellation.
    TO THE COMMITTEE ON RULES
                                                                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor              distinguished Gentleman from Quezon, the Hon. Danilo
Leader is recognized.                                           Suarez, is recognized.

               SUSPENSION OF SESSION                                 REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I withdraw my motion, and
                                                                I move that we recognize Hon. Rufus B. Rodriguez for his
    REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move for a few minutes           interpellation.
suspension of the session.
                                                                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right. The
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is              motion is withdrawn, and the Chair now recognizes the
suspended for a few minutes.                                    distinguished Gentleman from the Second District of Cagayan
                                                                de Oro City, the Hon. Rufus Rodriguez, to start the
    It was 10:04 a.m.                                           interpellation.

              RESUMPTION OF SESSION                                   REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you very much, Mr.
                                                                Speaker, distinguished Sponsor.
    At 10:21 a.m., the session was resumed.                           This is not on the Congress budget, but the budget of the
                                                                House of Representatives Electoral Tribunal (HRET), in
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is              which this Member sits as a member. I have been requested
resumed.                                                        by our Chairman, Justice Presbitero J. Velasco Jr., the
    The Floor Leader is recognized.                             members: Justice Bersamin and Justice Peralta, and the five
                                                                members of the committee to bring this out to this august
          CONSIDERATION OF H.B. NO. 5023                        Chamber.
                  Continuation                                        This is in connection with the budget that the DBM
                                                                recommended for the HRET in the amount of P99,211,000.
      PERIOD OF SPONSORSHIP AND DEBATE                          This is 39 percent lower, Mr. Speaker, from the proposed
                                                                HRET budget for 2012. Likewise, this budget of P99 million
    REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we resume the          is 22 percent lower than the 2011 budget.
consideration of House Bill No. 5023, and that the Secretary          Now, we cannot understand how come the budget of the
General be directed to read the title of the bill.              HRET for 2011 has been reduced when for the first time in
                                                                its history, our cases have reached 68—the highest in the entire
      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any              history of this Republic, as far as cases of Congressmen are
objection? The Chair hears none; the motion is approved.        concerned. Last year, there were only 42 cases, and yet our
      The Secretary General will please read the title of the   budget for 2011 has been reduced.
bill.                                                                 Now, the entire House of Representatives Electoral
                                                                Tribunal are requesting that we at least restore the P34 million
     THE SECRETARY GENERAL. House Bill No. 5023,                to P99 million, which is still lower than the P161 million that
entitled: AN ACT APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR THE                    we proposed, because P99 million plus P34 million is only
OPERATION OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE                              P128 million, which will always be the same as the P127
REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES FROM JANUARY                        million. In other words, the HRET is requesting the honorable
ONE TO DECEMBER THIRTY-ONE, TWO THOUSAND                        Speaker and this august Assembly to restore our budget to
AND TWELVE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.                             the same as the 2011 budget.
                                                                      May we know the comment of the distinguished Sponsor
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor                   on this because we have talked to our distinguished Chairman
Leader is recognized.                                           of the Committee on Appropriations regarding this reduction
6                                                                                          THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2011

of 22 percent from the 2011 budget. May we know whether                              RESUMPTION OF SESSION
he is disposed to be able to realign some funds and give to
the HRET what is due it because of the cases that we have?                At 10:35 a.m., the session was resumed.

     REP. ABAYA. Well, Mr. Speaker, just to correct the good              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is
Gentleman from Cagayan de Oro City, the decrease for this             resumed.
year as compared to last year is only 11.49 percent. The budget
for last year is P112,096,000 while the budget for this year is             REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
P99,211,000, so it is a decrease of 11.5 percent, not 22 percent.           We have reconciled the figures. Indeed, a total of P127
     The decrease in the budget for the two years amounts to          million includes the P112 million which is the GAA plus
P12.9 million, mostly attributable to Personal Services and           the P6.8 million which is the RLIP, the automatic
the widely talked about Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits              appropriation which will also be released, and the MPBF
Fund that does not only affect the House but likewise the             of P8 million, for a total of P127 million. So, there is really
Senate, the Judiciary, the AFP, the PNP, most of the                  no controversy here except that in the presentation of the
constitutionally or fiscally autonomous groups and                    HRET, we included the RLIP, the automatic appropriation
constitutional commissions.                                           and the MPBF which is consistent with the P127 million.
     The Executive has applied the policy that all unfilled           But as to the GAA, there is only a difference of P12.8 million
positions should be placed under the MPBF in the meantime             and the reason for this is that the P11.9 million has been
until full hiring is made and such would then be automatically        transferred to the MPBF or the Miscellaneous Personnel
released to the respective agencies.                                  Benefits Fund.
     The request of the good Gentleman is to restore such                   So, I just would like to make a manifestation, Mr.
decrease. However, as the Chairman of the Committee on                Speaker, that this Representation, on behalf of all the members
Appropriations, the policy should be uniformly applied. If it         of the HRET, will make the proper presentation in the period
is done to the Judiciary, the AFP, and the PNP, the Chairman          of amendments for the realignment of the P11 million back
as of the moment, is of the inclination that it likewise should       to the HRET for them to be able to use it for the 68 cases and
apply to Congress and the Senate. However, there is a time            all the other requirements of the HRET.
for amendments; the Chairman would gladly accept any                        With that, I end this interpellation. I thank the honorable
amendment to this. A restoration requires an identification of        Chair and the distinguished Sponsor for their consideration,
a particular source where we could get this, and at the appropriate   also, the Speaker of the House, Speaker Belmonte, for
time, this shall be studied and considered, Mr. Speaker.              considering during the period of amendments the P11 million
                                                                      back to the HRET.
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you, Mr. Speaker,                           Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
distinguished Sponsor. May I know how much is the amount
for the Personal Services that the Sponsor stated has been                 REP. ABAYA. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, we will await
transferred from the HRET. How much?                                  the amendment.

    REP. ABAYA. The total reduction is P12.885 million.                   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
The reduction in Personal Services is P11.273 million, Mr.            Leader is recognized.
Speaker.
                                                                           REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you, distinguished                    the Sr. Dep. Minority Leader, the Hon. Danilo Suarez.
Sponsor. Based on what I have here, for the 2011, it is
P127.423 million. I would like to know whether your figures                THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
are correct because I have here the budget officer of the HRET,       distinguished Gentleman from Quezon, the Hon. Danilo
and what I have here is P127.423 million.                             Suarez, is recognized.
     Can we now reconcile the figures?
                                                                           REP. SUAREZ. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
                SUSPENSION OF SESSION                                 Sponsor.
                                                                           I have a very lengthy manifestation. I am not going to
    REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). May I ask for a one-minute                   ask the distinguished Sponsor to reply. All I am going to ask
suspension of the session so that we can compare our figures,         is for a clear commitment and understanding that the appeal
Mr. Speaker.                                                          of the Minority be considered.
                                                                           My first concern, apparently, is that the budget for this
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Does the                           year is lower than the previous year. That is one of my
Majority Leader join the motion?                                      concerns. Number two, it has been the observation of this
                                                                      Representation that if we compare our facilities with the
     REP. ABAYA. I agree, Mr. Speaker.                                Senate, and if the distinguished Sponsor will notice it, during
                                                                      our bicameral meeting, we can see a Senator with a full back-
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right. The                   up of maybe seven to eight consultants with their own laptops,
session is suspended for a few minutes.                               giving pointers to the Member of the Senate while we go
                                                                      there most of the time alone and, sometimes, we can have
     It was 10:30 a.m.                                                one of our staff.
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     When it comes to the task of legislating, this affects the         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
way of life of the country and that is how important it is. A       Leader is recognized.
better source of information databank should come handy
to every Member of the House of Representatives                         REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, may I be allowed to respond
considering that legislation starts here. Therefore, I would        and give a few of my thoughts to the manifestation of the
like to request that proper manifestation and appeal by the         good Gentleman from Quezon.
House leadership be made to the authorities to consider the
concern of beefing up our consultants, giving them proper                THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
access to information and databank. That is number                  distinguished Sponsor may proceed.
two.Number three, I think the unfilled positions should be
given back to us because that will be a very sensitive issue.            REP. ABAYA. First of all, the budget of the House did
We do not want that at the end of the day, we will have to          not decrease; it has actually increased by two percent.
resort to a judicial decision. Baka naman at our level ay           However, the policy on the unfilled positions still applies.
mapag-usapan na ang unfilled positions ng Kongreso at               Ninety-one million is currently parked under the MPBF and
maibalik sa atin. Tayo na nga po ang gumagawa ng                    we are compelled to fill these positions. Likewise, the
appropriation at budget, bakit naman pati ang unfilled              Chairman of the Accounts Committee is here. He has taken
positions ay nawala at inalis sa atin?                              note of the ideas of the good Gentleman from Quezon. In
     Ako po ay nagpapasalamat sa Committee on                       fact, I remember last year, he was the one who manifested
Accounts sapagkat na-expand na nang kaunti ang ating                that an expansion of the South Lounge be made, and that the
lounge, though not to a dream scenario but acceptable.              meals we have be improved, and actually it is due to him that
Ang sinasabi ko po, nang ako ay maging Congressman                  we should, indeed, congratulate the Gentleman for
noong 1992, kakaunti pa tayo. Ngayon, marami na tayo                interpellating the Chairman last year. That is why we were
and a good number of our Members are senior citizens.               able to realize what we have now. What he is manifesting
Kapag tayo ay nagugutom, pupunta lang sa lounge para                today has been taken down by the Chairman of the Accounts
kumain ng kung ano ang nakahain para pantawid gutom.                Committee and we will work on it. In fact, the personal
There are times wherein Members have to, just to satisfy            recommendation of the Chairman is also to develop a gym
hunger, eat what is at the lounge, though they know that            here, so that those who would like to eat the good food could
it is harmful to their health. Pero ako ay binigyan ng              also be able to burn the calories, because I believe that a
assurance ng Chairman ng Accounts Committee na                      healthy mind and a healthy body eventually lead to healthy
maglalagay na ng maliit na kitchen and that is good news.           laws. Hopefully, with the continuous engagement of the
Ang ibig sabihin, kami pong mga senior citizens ay pwede            Honorable Suarez, I expect him to stand again next year for
nang magbigay ng listahan ng pagkain na pwede naming                further great ideas in improving the facilities of the House,
kainin na alam namin na hindi magiging masama sa aming              Mr. Speaker.
pangangatawan.
     With that, gumawa tayo ng kaunting adjustment o                    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the Floor
kaunting movement sa budget at ilagay po natin sa                   Leader is recognized.
improvement of facilities sapagkat hindi ka makapagle-
legislate nang tama kung masama ang pakiramdam; if you                   REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize
are not healthy, you cannot legislate properly. We do not want      the distinguished Gentleman from the Fifth District of Manila,
a group of important Members of the House to engage in              the Hon. Amado Bagatsing.
parliamentary procedures na hindi po makakain sapagkat ang
pagkain sa lounge ay hindi angkop sa kanyang pangangatawan               THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
gawa po ng kalusugan.                                               distinguished Gentleman from the Fifth District of Manila,
     Iyon po ang aking manifestation na sana ay mabigyang           the Hon. Amado Bagatsing, is recognized.
pansin ng ating Committee on Accounts at ng House
leadership. In the order of priority, unang-una po ay ang                REP. BAGATSING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
pagbabalik ng unfilled positions sa House sapagkat, as I have            Being the first Chairman of the Committee on Accounts
said, hindi magandang tingnan na ang appropriation ay               in 1987, I just like to make a manifestation, Mr. Speaker, and
nagsisimula rito at ang unfilled positions sa atin ay hindi natin   ask a few questions. When I was the Chairman of the
pwedeng pangasiwaan.                                                Committee on Accounts way back in 1987, there were only
     Along that line, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, I         about 170 Members of Congress. The budget of the House
have raised my manifestation and I hope that I will not have        then was double the budget of the Senate.
to raise it again same time next year. My concern regarding              Now, we are almost 286 and pushing 300. This is the
my colleagues, who are like me na senior citizens, katulad ko       same edifice that we had in 1987. If you will notice, Mr.
po na 60 years old na, ay mapagbigyan ng leadership na              Speaker, para na tayong sardinas dito and that the budget of
pangalagaan ang aming katawan at kalusugan sa pamamagitan           the House, from what I heard earlier, compared to the 2010
ng tamang pagkain.                                                  budget, although the honorable Chairman mentioned that it
     With that, I thank the Sponsor, and on behalf of the           was not reduced, but in terms of figures, the budget I think
Minority, we do not have anymore questions on the proposed          was P5.5 billion in the year 2010 and now it is only P5.3
budget of the Congress of the Philippines.                          billion. So, I really do not I know how it was increased. All I
                                                                    know is, definitely, there were six other new Members of this
    REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker.                                        august Chamber from 2010 to 2011.
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     Nagdagdag tayo ng anim pang Members pero bumaba                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
ang ating budget and the same ratio applies, the budget of the       Leader may now join, if he so desires.
House is twice the budget of the Senate. For the record, in
1987, there were hardly 170 Members in this House. Cong.                 REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, the Majority has no
Edcel Lagman can bear me out. He was also a Member of the            objection to the motion made by the Minority.
1987 Congress or the Eighth Congress, and some of the other
Members who are here again. There were also 24 Senators                   REP. APOSTOL. The motion was made by the Majority.
then. Now, there are 286 Members in the House, we still have         I am a Majority member. I am the one who moved to close
24 Senators. So, I empathize with my colleague, Cong. Danny          the period of interpellation and debate, and have the budget
Suarez, who was also a part of this in the Ninth Congress.           of Congress approved.
Baka pwede naman, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Chairman, mapa-
expand naman ang plenaryong ito. Para na tayong sardinas                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes.
dito. We can hardly move. We cannot coincide. I do not know
what stretch of our imagination will be used, but baka pwede             REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker.
naman itong gilid ay ma-expand. I congratulate our Speaker
and the Chairman of the Committee on Accounts for saving                  THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the Chair has
taxpayers’ money, na imbes na dumagdag, bumaba pa ang                already taken cognizance of the motion of the Gentleman from
ating budget. But please, let us have more elbowroom, at             Leyte and, in accordance with established practice, awaited the
least, in this plenary hall. That is just a manifestation, Mr.       comment on the motion by the distinguished Minority. The
Speaker.                                                             Majority Leader has also indicated that he joins the motion.
     Thank you.                                                           Is there any objection to the motion? (Silence) The Chair
                                                                     hears none; the motion is approved.
     REP. ABAYA. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                                  The Floor Leader is recognized.
     Actually, if the budget for 2012 is referenced to 2010,
there is a decrease, but the increase that I am referring to is in        REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we proceed to
reference to 2011 because there is indeed an increase. With          the consideration of the budget of Other Executive Offices,
regard to the expansion of this hall, according to the Chairman      and let us proceed to the deliberation on the budget of the
on Accounts, it is now being studied by the engineers of the         Film Development Council of the Philippines. For that
House. However, I just want to express my observation that           purpose, may we recognize the distinguished Sponsor of the
in the British Parliament and the US Congress, it seems that         budget, the Hon. Zenaida Angping.
they are much more seated together, tightly-packed and sitting
in uncomfortable seats. Probably, they just want to make sure             THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right. The
that the members of that parliament or of that Congress do           distinguished Lady, the Vice Chairman of the Committee on
not sleep while working. The same here, Mr. Speaker.                 Appropriations, is recognized to begin her sponsorship.

    REP. APOSTOL. Mr. Speaker,                                            REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am
                                                                     privileged to present to you the budget of the Film
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What is the                      Development Council of the Philippines, and we are ready
pleasure of the Gentleman from Leyte?                                for any questions and interpellations.

     REP. APOSTOL. My pleasure is to close the period of                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes. The Floor
interpellation and debate, and to have the budget of Congress        Leader is recognized.
approved.
                                                                         REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we now proceed to the
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Will the Floor                   consideration of the budget of the Movie and Television
Leader join that motion? The Minority has already made a             Review and Classification Board (MTRCB), Mr. Speaker.
similar motion.
                                                                         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What is the
    REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, inasmuch as I wanted to                 pleasure of the Floor Leader?
make that motion, my humble opinion is that it is the
prerogative of the Minority Floor Leader, the Hon. Edcel                 REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I withdraw my earlier
Lagman, to make that manifestation.                                  motion. May we now recognize the Honorable Villarosa.

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Minority                          THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right. The
Leader, the distinguished Gentleman from Albay, is                   distinguished Lady from Occidental Mindoro, the Hon. Ma.
recognized.                                                          Amelita “Girlie” A. Calimbas-Villarosa, is recognized.

    REP. LAGMAN. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the                         REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker,
manifestation of the Honorable Suarez and the Honorable              distinguished Sponsor, are we talking about the Film
Bagatsing, the Minority is ready to join the Majority in a           Development Council of the Philippines?
motion to close the period of interpellation and debate on the
proposed 2012 budget of the House of Representatives.                    REP. ANGPING. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
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     REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. The Minority has no                and for that purpose, may we recognize the Honorable
interpellators, and we are ready to join the motion of the       Villarosa for her interpellation.
Majority to terminate the period of interpellation and debate
on the proposed 2012 budget of the Film Development                  THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Chair
Council of the Philippines.                                      recognizes the same Sponsor and now also the Lady from
     I so move, Mr. Speaker.                                     Mindoro Occidental.

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the                     REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker,
Floor Leader say?                                                distinguished Sponsor, the Minority has no interpellators for
                                                                 the proposed budget of the Optical Media Board, and we
     REP. TUGNA. The Majority joins and concurs with the         join the Majority that we terminate the period of interpellation
Minority in the termination of the consideration of the budget   and debate on the 2012 budget of the Optical Media Board.
of the Film Development Council of the Philippines, Mr.               I so move, Mr. Speaker.
Speaker.
                                                                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any                 Floor Leader say?
objection on the floor? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the
motion is approved. (Applause)                                       REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, we join the Minority in the
                                                                 termination of the period of interpellation and debate of the
    REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                        Optical Media Board, Mr. Speaker.

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor                        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
Leader is recognized.                                            objection? (Silence) the Chair hears none; the motion is
                                                                 unanimously approved.
    REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move now that we proceed
with the consideration of the budget of the Movie and                REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Television Review and Classification Board.
                                                                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right. The               Leader is recognized.
Chair will now recognize the distinguished Sponsor, the Hon.
Zenaida Angping, to sponsor the budget.                                          SUSPENSION OF SESSION

   REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the                     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move for a few minutes
Honorable Villarosa.                                             suspension of the session.

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The                             THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is
distinguished Lady from Occidental Mindoro is recognized.        suspended for a few minutes.

     REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker,                           It was 10:56 a.m.
distinguished Sponsor, there are no interpellators as far as
the Minority is concerned, and we are ready to join the                         RESUMPTION OF SESSION
Majority to terminate the period of interpellation and debate
on the 2012 budget of the Movie and Television Review and            At 10:58 a.m., the session was resumed.
Classification Board.
     I so move, Mr. Speaker.                                         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is
                                                                 resumed.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the                    The Floor Leader is recognized.
Floor Leader say?
                                                                     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we take up the
    REP. TUGNA. The Majority concurs with the motion of          consideration of the budget of the Commission on Filipinos
the Minority to terminate the consideration of the budget of     Overseas.
the Movie and Television Review and Classification Board,
Mr. Speaker.                                                         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
                                                                 objection to the motion? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any                 motion is approved.
objection on the floor? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the          The Chair recognizes the distinguished Sponsor, Hon.
motion is approved.                                              Zenaida Angping and the distinguished Lady from Mindoro
                                                                 Occidental.
    REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                     REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Thank you, Mr.
     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we now proceed with            Speaker. It is Occidental Mindoro.
the consideration of the budget of the Optical Media Board,          Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, there are no
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interpellators from the Minority, and we are ready to join the         REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker, Mme.
Majority in manifesting that we terminate the period of           Sponsor, there are no interpellators from the Minority, and
interpellation and debate on the proposed 2012 budget of the      we are ready to join the Majority in the motion to terminate
Commission on Filipinos Overseas.                                 the period of interpellation and debate on the proposed 2012
     I so move, Mr. Speaker.                                      budget of the Philippine Commission on Women.
                                                                       I so move.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the
Floor Leader say?                                                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
                                                                  Leader is recognized.
     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, considering the statement
of the Minority that it will join the Majority in its motion to       REP. ANGPING. Thank you.
terminate the period of interpellation and debate, the Majority
now moves for the termination of the period of interpellation          REP. TUGNA. The Majority moves for the termination
and debate on the budget of the Commission on Filipinos           of the period of interpellation and debate on the budget of
Overseas.                                                         the Philippine Commission on Women.
                                                                       I so move, Mr. Speaker.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
objection? (Silence) Ther Chair hears none; the motion is             THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
approved. (Applause)                                              objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
                                                                  approved.
     REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                      REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
Leader is recognized.                                                  REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I now move that we proceed
                                                                  to the consideration of the budget of the National Commission
     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we proceed to           for Culture and the Arts, the National Commission for Culture
the consideration of the budget of the Development Academy        and the Arts (Proper), the National Historical Commission
of the Philippines.                                               of the Philippines, the National Library of the Philippines,
                                                                  and the National Archives of the Philippines.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Chair
recognizes the same Sponsor and the same interpellator, the          THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The same
Lady from Mindoro Occidental.                                     Sponsor and the same interpellator are recognized.

     REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker, Mme.                        REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker, Mme.
Sponsor, there are no interpellators from the Minority, and       Sponsor, there are no interpellators from the Minority on the
we are ready to join the Majority in the motion to terminate      budget of the National Commission for Culture and the Arts,
the period of interpellation and debate on the 2012 budget of     the National Commission for Culture and the Arts (Proper),
the Development Academy of the Philippines.                       the National Historical Commission of the Philippines, the
     I so move, Mr. Speaker.                                      National Library of the Philippines, and the National Archives
                                                                  of the Philippines. We join the Majority in their motion to
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the                 terminate the period of interpellation and debate on the
Floor Leader say?                                                 proposed 2012 budget of the aforesaid agencies.
                                                                       I so move.
     REP. TUGNA. The Majority moves for the termination
of the period of interpellation and debate on the budget of           REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
the Development Academy of the Philippines, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any                  Leader is recognized.
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
approved. (Applause)                                                   REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, the Majority moves for the
                                                                  termination of the period of interpellation and debate on the
     REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                        budget of the National Commission for Culture and the Arts,
                                                                  the National Commission for Culture and the Arts (Proper),
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor                     the National Historical Commission of the Philippines, the
Leader is recognized.                                             National Library of the Philippines, the National Archives of
                                                                  the Philippines.
    REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I now move that we proceed
to the consideration of the budget of the Philippine                  THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
Commission on Women.                                              objection to the omnibus motion? (Silence) The Chair hears
                                                                  none; the motion is unanimously approved.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Chair
recognizes the same Sponsor and the same interpellator.               REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Applause)
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     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I now move that we proceed                  With that, I just would like to ask the assistance and
to the consideration of the budget of the Commission on the          assurance from the leadership of the House and the Chair of
Filipino Language.                                                   the Appropriations Committee that, in the event that there
                                                                     will be some savings, a certain amount of money be given to
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Chair                        the Cultural Center of the Philippines so that they can maintain
recognizes the same Sponsor and the same interpellator.              this batch of good Filipino musicians and so that the
                                                                     opportunity that this Representation has allowed our province
     REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker, Mme.                      to experience be given also to other Members of the House.
Sponsor, the Minority has no interpellators as far as the
budget of the Commission on the Filipino Language is                     REP. ANGPING. Yes, my dear colleague.
concerned. We manifest to join the Majority in terminating
the period of interpellation and debate on its proposed 2012             REP. SUAREZ. With that appeal, the Minority will have
budget.                                                              no more objection to the proposed budget of the Cultural
     I so move.                                                      Center of the Philippines.

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor                            REP. ANGPING. Thank you very much, dear colleague
Leader is recognized.                                                from Quezon.

    REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, the Majority moves for the                   REP. SUAREZ. With that, the Minority would like to
termination of the period of interpellation and debate on the        join the Majority in a motion to terminate the period of
budget of the Commission on the Filipino Language.                   interpellation and debate, and to approve the budget of the
    I so move, Mr. Speaker.                                          Cultural Center of the Philippines.

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any                         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Does the Floor
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is             Leader join the motion?
approved.
                                                                          REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, the Majority joins the
    REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Applause)                 motion of the Minority to terminate the period of interpellation
                                                                     and debate on the budget of the Cultural Center of the
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor                        Philippines.
Leader is recognized.                                                     I so move, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I now move that we proceed                 REP. ANGPING. Thank you.
to the consideration of the budget of the Cultural Center of
the Philippines. For that purpose, Mr. Speaker, may we                   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
recognize our Sr. Minority Leader, the Hon. Danilo Suarez,           objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
for his manifestation.                                               approved.

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Chair                           REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
recognizes the same Sponsor and, on behalf of the Minority,
the distinguished Gentleman from Quezon, the Hon. Danilo                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
Suarez.                                                              Leader is recognized.

     REP. SUAREZ. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                                            SUSPENSION OF SESSION
     I just would like to find out from the Lady Sponsor how
much is the proposed budget of the Cultural Center of the                 REP. TUGNA. I move for a few minutes suspension of
Philippines for next year?                                           the session, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. ANGPING. One hundred ninety-five million, Mr.                   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is
Speaker.                                                             suspended for a few minutes.

     REP. SUAREZ. This is the same agency that handles the               It was 11:07 a.m.
Philippine Philharmonic Orchestra. Is that correct?
                                                                                    RESUMPTION OF SESSION
    REP. ANGPING. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                         At 11:09 a.m., the session was resumed.
     REP. SUAREZ. I had the privilege of inviting them to
perform in our province in the city of Lucena. I invited all             THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is
1,200 barangay captains to listen to the symphony orchestra          resumed.
because I believe that most Filipinos were born, live and will           The Floor Leader is recognized.
die without the privilege, satisfaction and the glory of listening
to a full-symphony orchestra.                                            REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we proceed to
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the consideration of the budget of the Department of Foreign       them to be released, but we are doing our best to have them
Affairs, including its attached agencies.                          released and we hope that in the near future, we will be able
                                                                   to release some more, Mr. Speaker.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is                REP. ILAGAN. I thank the distinguished Sponsor, Mr.
approved.                                                          Speaker. I do understand how difficult it is for our embassy
    The Floor Leader is recognized.                                officials to follow up these cases and to ensure that these
                                                                   jailed OFWs can come home. They can find ways and
     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the Hon.            means to bring them home. I recall when I was with the
Luzviminda C. Ilagan of the Gabriela Party-List for her            other Representatives to find out the situation of our
interpellation.                                                    nationals because in the different embassies and crisis
                                                                   centers we visited, we saw the number of Filipinos awaiting
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Chair will                repatriation. I am expressing this concern because,
first recognize the distinguished Sponsor, the Hon. Maria          certainly, it would be a big dent on the existing budget of
Zenaida B. Angping, and the Chair will now recognize the           the department when they have to feed all of these people;
Lady, from Gabriela?                                               they had to rescue our compatriots from difficult
                                                                   circumstances. So, going back to my earlier question, what
     REP. ILAGAN. From Gabriela, Mr. Speaker.                      other ways and means can our officials undertake so that
                                                                   given the limited budget, given that the budgetary
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the Lady                  allocation has even been decreased, they would be able to
from Gabriela may proceed, if she desires to interpellate.         carry out their mandate and their functions?

     REP. ILAGAN. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                               REP. ANGPING. Yes. The department also has the
     Good morning to the distinguished Sponsor and to the          Assistance to Nationals (ATN), this is the fund used to help
Department of Foreign Affairs family. I have a few questions       our nationals. I think they still have quite a sum to be used for
only and merely to clarify issues and concerns that affect our     this. We have P164 million for this, and this is what will be
overseas workers who are found in different parts of the globe.    used to repatriate and to help feed the people in the crisis
     At the height of the execution of the three Filipinos in      center, Mr. Speaker.
China in March this year, namely: Sally Villanueva, Ramon
Credo and Elizabeth Batain, the names of others who had                 REP. ILAGAN. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Mme. Sponsor.
previously been executed like Flor Contemplacion, Aldana,               So, the proposed budget, certainly, is much lower than
Alveza, Bautista, Fernandez, Lorenzo and Cortez, brought           this year. In contrast, the problems of our overseas Filipinos
back our collective grief as a nation as we are reminded of        are also getting worse.
their execution—endings which sprang from their struggles
for a decent life for their families by working in places far          REP. ANGPING. Yes, we do have …
from our shores.
     As this was happening, organizations like Migrante                 REP. ILAGAN. So, if the distinguished Sponsor can give
International brought the nation’s attention to another Filipino   us an idea, from the budget, how much actually is appropriated
then in death row in China as well as 73 others who were on        for direct intervention for the protection of the rights and the
a two-year reprieve or practically on life sentences also in       promotion of the welfare of Filipinos abroad?
China. I am sure there are many others in other countries,
who are also in death row.                                              REP. ANGPING. We have two funds, right? We have
     My concern, Mme. Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, is that, given         the ATN and the LAF. I know that the ATN and other funds
the proposed budget of the department, their targets for 2012,     have P150 million from the budget. The LAF, according to
how does the department envision to address the problem of         the law, has P100 million for legal assistance, and right now,
the jailed as well as the stranded OFWs abroad? How many           we have P73 million still at hand. At the same time, if ever
of those in death row can we possibly save from death or           they would need it, there is always a P13 million fund that is
work on the commutation of their sentence to a lower penalty?      kept and will be given to them as soon as they need the money,
And, how many of those eligible to leave the jails can we          Mr. Speaker.
possibly bring home?
                                                                         REP. ILAGAN. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
     REP. ANGPING. Mr. Speaker, actually, the department           Sponsor.
has enough funds for this under the Legal Assistance Fund                May I just go back to an old problem which was raised
(LAF) which we still have, amounting to P73 million. These         when a group of Filipino representatives and also researchers,
are the funds that we are going to use to help our colleagues.     went to Sandakan, Sabah to check on our undocumented
A lot of them are still imprisoned because of administrative       Filipinos there. It is a major concern because even if these
procedures for the release of these prisoners. One is that the     Filipinos have already been repatriated, they still manage to
courts send the records to the governors, then the governors       go back and work even if the circumstances are really horrible.
send them to the interior minister, then the interior minister     Now, one of the complaints raised by the Filipinos there was
sends them to the policy headquarters, then to the police          the difficulty of getting the legal documents like passports,
detachment concerned, then the police detachment sends it          because they were in another island and they still had to go
to the immigration. That is why it takes quite some time for       all the way to Kuala Lumpur. So, I would just like to know if
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something has been done with regard to the acquisition of                 REP. ANGPING. Thank you very much.
papers so that the undocumented could become documented.                  May I just also say that I wholeheartedly agree with you
     You see, many of them extend their stay and their papers        and I will do my very best during the period of amendments
have expired or their passports are withheld by their                to see where we can get some more, because we do really
employers; but on their way to Kuala Lumpur where the                need them.
documents can be processed, they are sometimes arrested by                Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
officials of the Malaysian government. So, what is being done
by our own officials so that Filipinos struggling to acquire             REP. ILAGAN. Thank you also, Mr. Speaker.
the right documents, like passports, would be able to acquire
these without being placed in a position where they are                  THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
threatened with arrests or they are prevented from being able        Leader is recognized.
to go to the capital of the Malaysian government?
                                                                         REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize
     REP. ANGPING. Because of our claim in Sabah, we                 the Hon. Walden Bello for his interpellation.
cannot put up a consular office there. That is the reason our
consular officers from Kuala Lumpur and even from the head              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the
office go there and visit them regularly to attend to their needs,   Gentleman from the Party-List Akbayan is recognized. He
Mr. Speaker. That is the best we can do because we really            may now proceed, if he desires to interpellate.
cannot put up a consular office in Sabah.
                                                                         REP. BELLO. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. ILAGAN. Yes, we know that they cannot put up                   Would the Lady from Manila entertain a few questions
an embassy there because of the existing problem, but I just         regarding the DFA?
wanted to know if something has been done compared to
the situation before, because that was a problem raised again            REP. ANGPING. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
and again. My concern is that, has something been done
about it?                                                                 REP. BELLO. First of all, I do agree that this is an agency
                                                                     that needs a raise in its budget. However, although I am a
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I think they have               very good friend of Congresswoman Ilagan, I do not think
done this. They usually send more. While from Kuala Lumpur,          that this should be taken from the CCT. In fact, I believe that
they take turns with the head office and, I think,they go there      the Conditional Cash Transfer is a very, very necessary
quite often now unlike before.                                       program for our people. So, this is just registering a friendly
                                                                     agreement from the start.
     REP. ILAGAN. So, thank you, Mr. Speaker,                             Let me just say that I have a few questions, and as I
distinguished Sponsor.                                               promised the Majority Leader, this will be quick and painless,
     Now, I would just like to manifest that, certainly, this is     hopefully.
a department that needs an increase in funds.
                                                                         REP. ANGPING. Thank you. I hope that it is painless,
    REP. ANGPING. Yes, I agree.                                      Mr. Speaker.

     REP. ILAGAN. They need an increase in their budgetary                REP. BELLO. Just a clarification, distinguished colleague,
allocation because of the increasing problems of our OFWs            Mr. Speaker, could the Sponsor give us the breakdown of the
and our undocumented Filipinos who are in other parts of             ATN or the assistance to nationals, and the legal assistance
Asia.                                                                fund for 2012, because that was not broken down in the figures
     So, may I just manifest that, in the period of amendments…      that were given to us. What is the proposed allocation for the
                                                                     ATN and the legal assistance fund?
    REP. ANGPING. Yes.
                                                                          REP. ANGPING. The proposed allocation for the ATN
     REP. ILAGAN. … if there can be a source from where              is P150 million, and P30 million for legal assistance.
we can realign some amount so that it can be allocated to the
department, then it would be a most welcome move                         REP. BELLO. There is an understanding that it is…
considering that the Conditional Cash Transfer certainly is a
bloated item which has been a cause of controversy, while                REP. ANGPING. It is a revolving fund, Mr. Speaker.
we have departments that need assistance very badly and yet
they do not have such budgetary allocation.                              REP. BELLO. A hundred million?
     May I end with a manifestation, Mr. Speaker,
distinguished Sponsor, that it would be of great help to our             REP. ANGPING. Yes, a hundred million, with the
workers abroad, documented or undocumented, if the agency            understanding that it stays at one hundred million.
tasked to look after their welfare would be mandated to look
after the promotion of their rights, and they would be provided          REP. BELLO. What was the 2011 allocation for the ATN?
the necessary budgetary assistance. That would be all.
     Thank you, distinguished Sponsor, for your time. Thank              REP. ANGPING. The allocation for 2011 was the same,
you, Mr. Speaker.                                                    P30 million.
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     REP. BELLO. No, for the ATN, Mr. Speaker.                            REP. ANGPING. No, I do not believe so, because in the
                                                                    GAA, the ATN is a regular amount. But when there is a crisis, that
     REP. ANGPING. For the ATN? I am sorry. May I just              is the time the DBM helps out and gives some funds for help.
correct myself, Mr. Speaker. The allocation for 2011 under
the GAA was P79,300,000; while for 2012, we have P150                   REP. BELLO. Yes, I agree.
million.
                                                                        REP. ANGPING. But yearly, it is always P150 million.
     REP. BELLO. May I just ask, given the major
problems that our people face abroad, how much has been                 REP. BELLO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
spent so far for 2011 on the ATN and the legal assistance
fund? We just want to exactly get the sense on the                       REP. ANGPING. It does not go back in the 2012 budget
expenditures that are happening, especially given the fact          or in the budget for the next year.
the there are so many problems that they face abroad, and
whether or not we need to make legislative measures to                   REP. BELLO. No. I agree with the Sponsor that there is
increase this.                                                      always this ATN, but what I am saying is, because this is
                                                                    relevant to our debates in Congress, this Representation
     REP. ANGPING. Mr. Speaker, in 2011, the GAA budget             introduced a resolution a few months ago, asking for an
was P79,300,000, and with the continuing savings for this           emergency appropriation of P2 billion in order to be able to
year and the P91,071,000, we have a total budget of                 meet the needs for repatriation. What the Lady is saying now
P170,371,703. With the Libyan crisis, we were obligated to          is that it is not necessary because there is a promise from the
use it, so we went into negative, but the DBM advanced a            DBM using the OWWA to provide the funds that would be
total of P250 million so that we could help all the Filipinos in    necessary for repatriation. In the next fiscal year, that will be
Libya and repatriate them all.                                      reflected in the budget of the DFA as part of the MOOE to be
                                                                    repaid to OWWA. Hindi po ba ganoon, Mr. Speaker?
     REP. BELLO. So, for all intents and purposes, the ATN
was a very minuscule fund, given that big crisis for repatriation       REP. ANGPING. Yes, ganoon ang una. I still remember
in the Middle East in 2011.                                         the Gentleman’s proposal and it is still being considered by
                                                                    the DBM. They say that the DFA has the money anyway, so
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, in 2011, Mr. Speaker.                       we do not need any proposal for that matter since they will
                                                                    always hand out the money when there is a case of
     REP. BELLO. Therefore, this means—looking at the               emergency.
figure here—that there is a recourse from the DBM and the
OWWA or we have a sort of an expandable fund, as it were,                REP. BELLO. Okay, thank you very much, dear
to be able to meet the needs of our nationals abroad when it        colleague, Mr. Speaker. I just want to raise a concern here
comes to emergencies.                                               that when we raised that proposal, we were thinking that there
                                                                    would be other crises that may emerge. When we are talking
     REP. ANGPING. For emergency, yes, Mr. Speaker.                 about the evacuation of Filipinos from Saudi Arabia, and we
                                                                    are talking about 1.8 million workers, maybe, we ought to be
     REP. BELLO. So, we are really talking about the ATN,           looking in a forward way so that we are assured that we will
but given the fact that...                                          have the funds for that, rather than basically depending on
                                                                    the OWWA to be able to provide those funds via the DBM. If
     REP. ANGPING. There is a crisis.                               we are talking about Saudi Arabia, we are really talking about
                                                                    expenditures of massive amounts for repatriation. This was
    REP. BELLO. ... it is a fixed fund, there is also access to     in the context of the proposal.
other funds.
                                                                         REP. ANGPING. Yes, I read the Gentleman’s proposal
     REP. ANGPING. Yes.                                             and I do believe that, but when the DBM got hold of the
                                                                    proposal, they assured the DFA that they will always be there
     REP. BELLO. Okay. This means then that in terms of             to augment the funds needed for crises like this. But I think,
expected crises or expected expenditures, we do not allocate        maybe we could go on and study the proposal again, send it
an amount for that at this point, but we just basically borrow      back to them and see what we can do about it.
that from the DBM and the OWWA and reimburse it in the
next fiscal year.                                                        REP. BELLO. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                         Let me just move on to the issue of the crisis in the Middle
     REP. ANGPING. No, it is not reimbursed, Mr. Speaker.           East. I understand that there has been an inter-agency group
The DBM has assured the department that when there is a             established under the Office of the Executive Secretary to
crisis and they need the funds, the DBM will shoulder the           deal with crises.
expenses.
                                                                        REP. ANGPING. Yes, they have. A group headed by the
     REP. BELLO. Yes, but what I mean here is that, it is           Executive Secretary, Mr. Speaker.
then in accounting terms reflected in the budget of the DFA
for the next fiscal year. Is that not right, Mr. Speaker?               REP. BELLO. How many times has this group met?
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    REP. ANGPING. The Executive Committee has already                 effort on our part. So, may I just register a concern here that
met three times and so with the sub-committees. The                   we should study this situation more carefully. We should be
Department of Foreign Affairs has been meeting regularly to           very concerned about the kinds of exceptions that we make
tackle the issues.                                                    because we might pray for them in the end.

     REP. BELLO. Mr. Speaker, dear colleague, in terms of                  REP. ANGPING. Yes, we will, Mr. Speaker. Actually,
contingency plans, are there contingency plans—especially             for me, it is security. In the assessment of the POEA and the
in the Gulf states—at this point? I raised this because this has      DFA, in their minds, if you are within the bases, you are more
been a constant request from the Committee on Overseas                secured than when you are out of the bases. Perhaps, we could
Workers Affairs, to be provided with at least the general             study this and have a technical working group and see what
contours of contingency plans, especially in the Gulf States          we can do about it.
and Saudi Arabia.
                                                                           REP. BELLO. Mr. Speaker, I believe that just two days
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, they have contingency plans in all            ago, there were Americans who were killed in a relatively
the Gulf states and in Saudi Arabia. The DFA also has its             secure kind of a situation. There is no such thing as secure
contingency plans and they are supposed to meet to be updated         area in Afghanistan as far as I am concerned at this point,
on what is happening.                                                 with due respect to this, Mr. Speaker. I am really pissed off
                                                                      with the Americans when it comes to this. They basically
    REP. BELLO. Who is the lead agency when it comes to               recruited our people using illegal means. They brought them
contingency plans? Is it the DFA, Mr. Speaker?                        to Afghanistan and then they have squeezed our people of
                                                                      their work and basically say that, “now, we are going to drive
    REP. ANGPING. Yes, it is the Department of Foreign                you out because you are not supposed to be here anyway.” Is
Affairs, Mr. Speaker.                                                 this not a major cause of injustice that the Philippine
                                                                      government should be protesting on?
     REP. BELLO. Thank you.
     Let me then move on to the sore issue of Afghanistan.                  REP. ANGPING. I believe so and since this is how he
     Mr. Speaker, dear colleague, we have a situation whereby         feels about it, this Representation is with the Gentleman on
we have thousands of workers in Afghanistan and, at this point,       this, though we have some technical people working on this.
as I understand it, by the end of August, there was a lifting of      So, we would have to just either abide or have to meet with
the ban to Afghanistan, only for our workers who are operating        them and tell them how we feel about it.
in the US military bases. What is the reason for this
discrimination between those operating in the US military                  REP. BELLO. Mr. Speaker, dear colleague, I just
bases and those who are not working in the US military bases?         registered this because the abuse by the Americans on Filipino
As I understand it, the US military bases are big targets of the      contract workers is terrible, not only to Filipinos but also to
Taliban.                                                              other nationalities. This has something to do with the
                                                                      privatization of war by the Pentagon, in which basically, they
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, but unfortunately, it seems that              let private elements, including illegal recruiters bring in the
they feel that they are safer inside the bases because it is really   personnel. When the legalities begin to be questioned, they
terrible outside of the base. That is the reason these workers        leave these people, including our people, out in the cold and
are asked to be part of the working force of the Americans.           say, “now, you have to leave” after they have squeezed our
     Actually, on September 2, 2011, the POEA governing               people of their work, “because you have no right to be in this
board issued a resolution partially lifting the employment ban        country anyway because your government does not allow you
to Iraq and Afghanistan. The resolution states that the ban is        to come in.” Can we ask the Department of Foreign Affairs
partially lifted to allow those working inside, as what the           or the Secretary of Foreign Affairs to please register a
Gentleman said, inside US military camps and facilities to            complaint to the United States regarding this practice of illegal
finish their contracts. Their contracts can be renewed or             recruitment of our workers?
extended on site and the OFWs can go home to the Philippines
to take their vacation and will be allowed to resume their                REP. ANGPING. Yes, we will take note of that and they
employment to finish their contracts. That is the basis of the        have agreed to look into this situation.
partial lifting of the deployment ban to Iraq and Afghanistan.
But, as mentioned by the Gentleman, yes, they are only                      REP. BELLO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
allowed inside the American bases and not outside of it.                    The last point that I have is really with respect to the
                                                                      Spratlys issue. First of all, with respect to this, I would just
     REP. BELLO. I am certainly sympathetic, Mr. Speaker,             like to commend our Secretary of Foreign Affairs for the very
dear colleague, to the situation of our workers in Afghanistan.       strong stand that he has taken vis-à-vis China’s claim that it
However, let me just register here that I feel that the distinction   is a baseless claim. I think he has the wholehearted support
between those outside and those inside is a bit artificial. I         of about a hundred percent of the Filipino people. We would
have two thoughts about Afghanistan, Mr. Speaker. First is            like to say that this is a very fresh will compared to the
the number one problem of the United States wherein the               previous administration which were in many ways in the
Taliban group is in a position to take over the country. Second,      pocket of China.
may I just register the fact here that if we are talking about              Let me ask here—though the policy of the Department
evacuation of our workers there, this would be a big, big, big        of Foreign Affairs now is going to encourage the
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civilianization of our presence in the Spratlys by the creation         REP. ANGPING. Thank you very much.
of marinas, lighthouses, and possibly even tourist facilities
because, as we know, civilianization is a step forward from a           THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
military presence—in terms of our territorial claims, is the        Leader is recognized.
department now going to encourage us to move in this
direction?                                                              REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the
                                                                    honorable Congresswoman Villarosa for her manifestation.
      REP. ANGPING. Yes, they will settle the territorial issues
first, then after they have resolved those, they will go to the          THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes. The
economic issues which could be part of what you have just           distinguished Lady from Mindoro Occidental is recognized.
stated.
                                                                        REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Mr. Speaker, Mme.
    REP. BELLO. But it is our territory. Can we not, in fact,       Sponsor, we noted down on the portfolio of the DFA that the
move in terms of having civilian facilities erected, Mr.            Passport Division’s program of sending teams to different
Speaker?                                                            provinces is still being implemented.

     REP. ANGPING. The policy is, what is ours is ours, and             REP. ANGPING. Yes, the DFA is still implementing that.
we will defend that according to the policy of international
law. But right now, they still have some problems regarding             REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. So, iyong mga
our territories. Until those are solved, then we cannot solve       malalayong probinsya ay napupuntahan lahat ng DFA.
our economic issues.
                                                                        REP. ANGPING. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
      REP. BELLO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
      The last question I have, since our Floor Leader is looking        REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Yes, because it does a
at me with bated breath, I would just like to ask, where exactly    very good service to our people, and I could see that they
does the United States fit in this situation? Is it not that our    generated almost P3 billion just for passport services. I also
first line of defense with respect to our claims in the Spratlys    noted down an increase of 4.3 percent—they earned P4.3 billion
is to be with the ASEAN and have the ASEAN as our principal         for the year 2010. I hope this program of the DFA will continue
source of support? I am really worried that—I do not                and I would like to commend the Passport Division for giving
understand why the United States is playing a role in terms of      this service to our people. And there being no other...
our policy with respect to the Spratlys.
                                                                         REP. ANGPING. Thank you. Actually, I am with you on
    REP. ANGPING. The United States is very clear that              this one and I believe that it is one of the best programs that
the Mutual Defense Treaty will cover the issues of the              the department has for passport servicing.
Spratlys.
                                                                         REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Yes, because it is in
     REP. BELLO. The Mutual Defense Treaty will cover               the provinces that the necessary documentary requirements
this issue of the Spratlys.                                         are found. So, this is a very good program and I hope that the
     I do not want to take any more time, Mr. Speaker. I would      DFA will continue with this.
just like to say that this alarms me because I really do not
think that, in this age, our first line of defense should be to         REP. ANGPING. Yes. They say it is definitely a
call a superpower because this could create a superpower            continuing process.
confrontation instead of just a peaceful settling of territorial
conflicts.                                                             REP. CALIMBAS-VILLAROSA. Hats off to the DFA!
                                                                    Thank you.
     REP. ANGPING. But we are closely working with the
ASEAN countries when it comes to this, so I think that is               REP. ANGPING. Thank you very much.
safer than what you feel.
                                                                        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the Floor
     REP. BELLO. In conclusion, let me just thank my dear           Leader is recognized.
colleague, Mr. Speaker, and also the Department of Foreign
Affairs whom we have dealt with in the Committee on                     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the
Overseas Affairs. They have very, very professional staff. The      honorable Cong. Julieta R. Cortuna for her interpellation.
people on the ground, as they have shown in their work in
Libya and other areas, have played very exemplary roles. I               THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the
think Undersecretary Seguis has just come and reported that         distinguished Lady, Congresswoman Cortuna, is recognized.
they really tried their best in Libya. Despite the disagreements
on certain issues, I think that the professional cadre of the           REP. CORTUNA. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you,
Department of Foreign Affairs is to be complimented.                Mme. Sponsor, and good morning to the family of the
Certainly, we would push for the approval of this budget, if        Department of Foreign Affairs.
not an increase in the budget.                                          Being a very active member of the Committee on Foreign
     Thank you very much.                                           Affairs, we have lots of concerns, Mme. Sponsor, with regard
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to some issues like the review of the foreign posts, specifically        So, I think they are trying their very best to come up—
in European countries. May we know from the department,             this is also their way of assessing the performance of their
Mr. Speaker, if there is any rationalization plan with regard       foreign service posts.
to rightsizing of the manpower, say, transferring from posts
which have lots of manpower and assigning to those posts                REP. CORTUNA. Okay. Thank you very much, Mme.
with less manpower, although the population of Filipinos there      Sponsor, Mr. Speaker.
is more than those in the European countries.                           This Representation would again like to thank the
                                                                    Speaker and the Sponsor for giving us the opportunity to
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, they are looking into this because          ask questions. I would like to manifest that this
I think you have mentioned this to them before, and so, they        Representation, on behalf of A TEACHER Party-List,
are starting their program on rationalization. Definitely, if       supports very strongly the passage of the budget of the
there are more people in one post who are not needed there          Department of Foreign Affairs.
and there is a need in another post, they will do so, Mr.               Thank you very much.
Speaker.
                                                                        REP. ANGPING. Thank you, my dear colleague.
    REP. CORTUNA. Mr. Speaker, is there any time line
with regard to the implementation of this rationalization plan?         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Floor
                                                                    Leader is recognized.
     REP. ANGPING. Mr. Speaker, this is still under review
but we will try to see how we can make this review faster, so           REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the Hon.
that they can come up with their plan and send it to us at the      Rufus Rodriguez for his short interpellation.
Committee on Foreign Affairs.
                                                                         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the
     REP. CORTUNA. Okay. Another question, Mr. Speaker,             distinguished Gentleman from the Second District of Cagayan
is with regards to passporting wherein the Committee also           de Oro City, the Hon. Rufus Rodriguez, is recognized.
suggests the reduction of the number of processing days from
30 to 14 days. Is there any plan or is this implemented already?          REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you, Mr. Speaker,
                                                                    distinguished Lady Sponsor.
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, the plan is already being                         First, let me really congratulate Secretary Del Rosario
implemented. In fact, now, they are trying their very best          and the Department of Foreign Affairs for the highly
to have the passports out in 14 days, but it seems that they        successful visit of President Aquino to the People’s Republic
also have a directive from the Secretary of the Department          of China, for not only he was able to get P60 billion in terms
of Foreign Affairs to see if they can reduce it to seven            of economic development over five years, but the most
days...                                                             important thing was that the President, through the assistance
                                                                    of our Secretary, was able to initiate the talk in relation to
    REP. CORTUNA. Oh, very good.                                    solving the Spratlys dispute. In other words, that was brought
                                                                    out by no less than the President. There was also an assurance
    REP. ANGPING. ... which I hope will be done.                    that there will be a dialogue and that there will be a regional
                                                                    approach on the matter. And so, we thank that.
     REP. CORTUNA. Maybe they deserve an applause for                     My only question is, I have never read in any
that, Mr. Speaker, if they can reduce it to seven days.             communique that we are trying to say that the Philippines
(Applause)                                                          has very strong relations with China. A problem like this
                                                                    should not only be a way to further bolster relations to
    REP. ANGPING. We should give them an applause.                  economic exchanges and economic development programs,
                                                                    but there was no mention about the Philippines having very
     REP. CORTUNA. Anyway, it is indicated in House Bill            early relations with China.
No. 5023 under the General Appropriations Bill that across                We started back in 1417, when the Sultan of Sulu visited
all agencies, they must be committed to pursue the five key         Emperor Yung lo of the Ming Dynasty. The annals of the
priority areas. In your agency, Mr. Speaker, Mme. Sponsor,          Ming Dynasty of 1417 had this statement that the Sultan of
what are your specific programs that are geared towards             Sulu, with 300 of Suluanons, led by Sultan Paduka Batara
addressing these five key priorities?                               went to China, through the Grand Canal; there was no train at
                                                                    that time. They went through the Grand Canal from the South
     REP. ANGPING. Actually, they have the three pillars of         China Sea going to Beijing. They were entertained by Emperor
foreign policy. They have economic diplomacy which covers           Yung lo, but after three months, as they went down to the
tourism promotion, volume of trade and investment, and the          Philippines, unfortunately, the Sultan died in the city of
volume of remittances. Then, they have political and national       Dezhou, which is now the solar capital of the entire China, a
security. The second policy is protection from terrorism,           very big city. So, that could have been the highlight.
military security, food supply, shelter, energy supply and                The visit of the President included Beijing, Shanghai and
environmental diplomacy. The third foreign policy is                Xiamen, but he did not visit the place he should have visited
assistance to nationals which is the working up with the            to show to President Hu Jintao that we are very close to China
population of OFWs, looking into the risk and voluntary levels      and that we were not discovered by the Spaniards in 1521
of our OFWs and the level of informing OFWs.                        because as early as 1417, we were already having relations
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with China. May we know why the Foreign Affairs                        REP. ANGPING. He already nodded and told me yes.
Department forgot about that whole thing?
                                                                       REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Ah, he already nodded.
     REP. ANGPING. Well, I agree with my dear mentor,
actually, and colleague. I agree with you that this should have        REP. ANGPING. Yes.
been the focal point of all. Remember, my children are also
part Chinese, so I wholeheartedly agree with what you said.            REP. RODRIGUREZ (R.) I did not see the nodding.

      REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). The next one that I would like             REP. ANGPING. He nodded. You know, we have a very
to say is that this Representation went there in 1997 and then     meek and humble gentleman for a Secretary. So we are done.
I came back last year. The city of Dezhou, for the information     We will do it.
of the entire DFA family, is spending US$500 million to
improve the tomb, that complex of museum, and they are                  REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). With that, Mr. Speaker, again,
spending no less than ¥3 billion for that. I told them that the    congratulations to the DFA. They have always been helping
Philippines would want to put a replica of that vessel right in    the House of Representatives especially when we travel
the development of that particular place where there is now        abroad. They are always there. They are really very helpful.
the museum. The DFA should know that Dezhou has the tomb           They have not only helped the Congress but especially our
of the king, his wife and his two children because Batara          constituents because Steve Conejos is there, Rico Foz. They
Batu Paduka, who died there, had three children. One son           always answer my text when there is a Cagayanon in distress
went back to become the Sultan of Sulu; the two children,          all over the world.
Anhalu and Wenhala stayed because the Emperor was giving                With that, may I move that we approve the budget of the
all the support, the food, the eunuchs, and the construction of    DFA and terminate the period of interpellation and debate on
the tomb. The two stayed and now the curator of the museum         the budget of the Department of Foreign Affairs.
there is the 18th generation of An because Anhalu and                   Thank you. (Applause)
Wenhala became naturalized in the 17th century and they
became Chinese, that is why Tausug is spoken in that area.             REP. ANGPING. Thank you.
There is a mosque in that area because these are Muslim
brothers.                                                              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the
      First, may we know whether in the next round of talks        Floor Leader say?
with China, we are going to emphasize that friendship, that
before Magellan and the Spaniards came in 1521, and                      REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, inasmuch as we want to concur
Magellan attempted to come to Cebu, he was, of course,             with the motion of the Hon. Rufus Rodriguez, we would like
stopped by Lapu-lapu because Lapu-lapu was the first               first to recognize the Hon. Danilo Suarez for his interpellation.
immigration officer. Magellan had no visa, so he was
prevented entry, and since he insisted entry, he was killed by          THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
the first immigration officer, Lapu-lapu. Before 1521, we had      distinguished Gentleman from Quezon, the Hon. Danilo
1417. So, may we know whether we will emphasize that so            Suarez, is recognized.
we can get friends and double the P60 billion to P120 billion
from the Chinese?                                                       REP. SUAREZ. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the Minority,
                                                                   considering that there is no one who would like to interpellate,
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, definitely, this is always a part of       and believing that the agency is under the helm of a good
their briefing paper and it will be part of their talks. My dear   leader, the Minority will join the Majority in terminating the
colleague and mentor, may I get a copy of the study that you       period of interpellation and debate on the proposed budget
have made, so I too will know about all of these because           of the DFA for 2012.
most of these are new.                                                  I so move, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you. Yes. Finally, would               THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the
the DFA support therefore the plan of putting up a replica of      Floor Leader say?
the vessel? There were three vessels that were used by the
Sultan of Sulu with 300 men who went there to build the                 REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, the Majority moves to terminate
pavilion of the Philippines. This P3 billion R and B project       the period of interpellation and debate on the budget of the
of the city of Dezhou, will the DFA support that in their next     Department of Foreign Affairs, including its attached agencies.
budget, so that there will be a budget for the construction of          I so move, Mr. Speaker.
the pavilion of the 1417 galleon or vessel that will show the
strong Philippine-Chinese relations, and so that we can always         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
show our very good relationship with China? May we know            objection to the motion? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the
from the Secretary whether he will support that budgetary          motion is approved.
allocation to build that pavilion consisting of the vessel?
                                                                       REP. ANGPING. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. ANGPING. Yes, definitely, the Secretary ...
                                                                        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The applause
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). You have not asked the Secretary.        is premature. The Chair has not yet called for a vote on the
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motion. Is there any objection? (Silence) The Chair hears                  CONSIDERATION OF H. RES. NO. 1742
none; the motion is approved.
    The Floor Leader is recognized.                                    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
                                                                   consider House Resolution No. 1742.
    REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we please                             May I ask that the Secretary General be directed to read
acknowledge the presence in the gallery of the guests of           only the title of the measure.
Hon. Eufranio “Franny” C. Eriguel, M.D., Hon. Victor F.
Ortega and Hon. Francisco Emmanuel R. Ortega III—the                    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
municipal officials of Agoo, La Union, headed by Mayor             objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
Sanda Y. Eriguel M.D.                                              approved. *
                                                                        The Secretary General is directed to read only the title
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The guests will               of the measure.
please rise. Welcome to the House of Representatives. (Applause)
     The Floor Leader is recognized.                                   With the permission of the Body, and since copies of the
                                                                   measure have been previously distributed, the Secretary
          SUSPENSION OF CONSIDERATION                              General read only the title thereof without prejudice to
                 OF H.B. NO. 5023                                  inserting its text in the Congressional Record.

     REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, I move for the suspension                THE SECRETARY GENERAL. House Resolution No.
of the consideration of the budget for 2012, and request that      1742, entitled: RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING MISS
the session be suspended until 1:30 p.m.                           PHILIPPINES SHAMCEY SUPSUP FOR BEING
                                                                   ADJUDGED THIRD RUNNER-UP IN THE 2011 MISS
                SUSPENSION OF SESSION                              UNIVERSE BEAUTY PAGEANT.

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any                      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.
objection to the motion? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the       Majority Leader is recognized.
motion is approved.
    The session is suspended and will resume at 1:30 p.m.              REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we adopt
                                                                   House Resolution No. 1742, in consolidation with similar
    It was 12:01 p.m.                                              measures, namely: House Resolutions No. 1720, 1714, 1715,
                                                                   1716, 1717, 1719, 1723, 1727, 1728, 1733, and 1739.
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                                   I so move, Mr. Speaker.

    At 1:30 p.m., the session was resumed.                                     ADOPTION OF H.RES. NO. 1742

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
resumed.                                                           objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
                                                                   approved.
    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker.                                       House Resolution No. 1742, in consolidation with similar
                                                                   measures, namely: House Resolutions No. 1720, 1714, 1715,
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.                        1716, 1717, 1719, 1723, 1727, 1728, 1733, and 1739, is
Majority Leader is recognized.                                     hereby adopted.

                SUSPENSION OF SESSION                                      CONSIDERATION OF H. RES. NO. 1743

    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                        REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
suspend the session for a few minutes.                             consider House Resolution No. 1743.
                                                                       May I ask that the Secretary General be directed to read
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is                 only the title of the measure.
suspended for a few minutes.
                                                                        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
    It was 1:30 p.m.                                               objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
                                                                   approved. *
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                                    The Secretary General is directed to read only the title
                                                                   of the measure.
    At 1:44 p.m., the session was resumed.
                                                                       With the permission of the Body, and since copies of the
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is                 measure have been previously distributed, the Secretary
resumed.                                                           General read only the title thereof without prejudice to
    The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.                        inserting its text in the Congressional Record.

* See MEASURES CONSIDERED (printed separately)
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    THE SECRETARY GENERAL. House Resolution No.                 period of interpellation and debate on the proposed budget
1743, entitled: RESOLUTION EXPRESSING THE                       of the Department of Public Works and Highways.
PROFOUND CONDOLENCE OF THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES ON THE DEMISE OF MR. TEODORO                        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
B. BAGUILAT SR., FATHER OF THE HONORABLE                        objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
TEDDY B. BAGUILAT JR., REPRESENTATIVE OF THE                    approved.
LONE DISTRICT OF IFUGAO.                                            The Chair recognizes the distinguished Chairman of the
                                                                Committee on Appropriations to take the floor.
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.
Majority Leader is recognized.                                      REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, I am ready to entertain all
                                                                questions regarding the budget of the Department of Public
   REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we adopt            Works and Highways.
House Resolution No. 1743.
                                                                     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, the first Gentleman
              ADOPTION OF H.RES. 1743                           to register his intention to interpellate the Honorable Abaya
                                                                is the Hon. Marc Douglas C. Cagas IV of the First District of
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any                Davao.
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
approved.                                                           THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Davao del Sur.
    The resolution is unanimously adopted.
    The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.                         REP. GUNIGUNDO. Davao del Sur, Mr. Speaker.

          CONSIDERATION OF H.B. NO. 5023                             THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
                  Continuation                                  distinguished Gentleman from the province of Davao del Sur,
                                                                the Hon. Marc Cagas, is recognized.
      PERIOD OF SPONSORSHIP AND DEBATE
                                                                    REP. CAGAS. Good afternoon, distinguished Sponsor.
    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
resume the consideration of House Bill No. 5023.                    REP. ABAYA. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
    May I ask that the Secretary General be directed to read
only the title of the measure.                                      REP. CAGAS. May I now proceed, Mr. Speaker.

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any                   REP. ABAYA. Kindly proceed.
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
approved.                                                           REP. CAGAS. It seems that an angel passed in the halls
     The Secretary General is directed to read only the title   of Congress because it is very silent. Does that mean that
of the measure.                                                 Secretary Singson is one of the angels who passed in the halls
                                                                of Congress, distinguished Sponsor?
    With the permission of the Body, and since copies of the
measure have been previously distributed, the Secretary             REP. ABAYA. With the smile in your face, I think the
General read only the title thereof without prejudice to        angel passed through your district, Mr. Speaker.
inserting its text in the Congressional Record.
                                                                     REP. CAGAS. (Laughter) I say this, Mr. Speaker,
     THE SECRETARY GENERAL. House Bill No. 5023,                distinguished Sponsor, because for the information of
entitled: AN ACT APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR THE                    everybody, Secretary Singson owes us a blowout for tomorrow
OPERATION OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE                              would be the 45th birthday of the DPWH Secretary, Secretary
REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES FROM JANUARY                        Babes Singson. (Applause)
ONE TO DECEMBER THIRTY-ONE, TWO THOUSAND
AND TWELVE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.                                 REP. ABAYA. Did I hear 45th, Mr. Speaker? (Applause)

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.                        REP. CAGAS. Forty-fifth.
Majority Leader will please inform the House of the status of
the measure.                                                        REP. ABAYA. Then we are of the same age. In fact, I am
                                                                older than the good Secretary.
    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, we are in the process
of opening the period of interpellation and debate on the           REP. CAGAS. (Laughter) Anyway, may I proceed, Mr.
proposed budget of the Department of Public Works and           Speaker.
Highways.
                                                                   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER. (Rep. Daza). Yes, the
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right.                 Gentleman has the floor.

     REP. GUNIGUNDO. I therefore move that we open the              REP. CAGAS. All right, thank you. Anyway, I do not
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really have so many questions as far as the DPWH budget is         that I have made to the office or to the Secretary himself, can
concerned. I would just like to reiterate, time and time again,    the good Secretary give the LTO a call since he is the
to the good Secretary, for the record—my concern is about          Secretary? I am just a Congressman and I have no power
the overloaded truck cargoes. It seems that it has been a          over the LTO, distinguished Sponsor, or can he encourage
passion of mine, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, because       the LTO to deputize the PNP in Davao del Sur, as well as the
these abusive truck cargoes tend to harass the Secretary of        LGU in Davao del Sur, to give them legal authority to stop,
the DPWH. As you know, my province, Davao del Sur is a             apprehend and unload overloaded truck cargoes, distinguished
passway of Gen. Santos City and Davao City, distinguished          Sponsor.
Sponsor.
     Consequently, ang bumibyahe na mga truck ay iyong                  REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, what is the request? I got
mga overloaded na cargo vans. Naiinis na ako, distinguished        lost in the zillions. I know there is a P300 million granted in
Sponsor. I would like to stress on record that maybe the           the district. (Laughter) But I lost the request, Mr. Speaker.
DPWH can deputize the Land Transportation Office (LTO)
or the Philippine National Police (PNP), so that the DPWH               REP. CAGAS. I said that my one last request, amongst
will have teeth, may ngipin ba, kasi parang walang                 the zillion requests that I made before the good Secretary of
bumabagsak sa weighing station; palaging pumapasa eh. Si           the DPWH, is that he call the LTO administrator, because I
Secretary Singson, sumasakit ang ulo, naghahanap ng pera           am just a Congressman and I have no power over the LTO,
para sa maintenance ng ating mga kalsada, tapos may mga            and probably order the LTO to deputize the PNP in Davao
abusado na mga may-ari ng truck na sobrang bibigat,                del Sur, as well as the LTO in Davao del Sur and the LGU in
distinguished Sponsor. Unless, merong overall savings ang          Davao del Sur, so that there will be a semblance of authority,
DPWH for 2010, 2011 and 2012 na baka puwede nilang i-              such that when we apprehend and order them to unload their
share naman sa iba’t ibang Representatives ng ating                overloaded cargo, we would not be in a legal hotbed,
Kongreso.                                                          distinguished Sponsor.

      REP. ABAYA. Well, Mr. Speaker, I have heard that this             REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, the request is hereby granted
is actually being discussed in the Committee on                    by the Secretary.
Transportation. As regards deputization, it is the LTO which
should deputize the Department of Public Works and                      REP. CAGAS. Thank you. I hope that somebody from
Highways, and the PNP in order to have the teeth to apprehend      the DPWH and/or the LTO will communicate with me or the
those trucks. In fact, the good Secretary is encouraging LGUs      provincial governor of Davao del Sur, so that we would not
to, likewise, be involved in the apprehension and in controlling   waste time, we can preserve our roads and, therefore, reduce
all these violations of law.                                       the maintenance cost of our national highway, distinguished
      There are efforts to upgrade weighbridges and it is a        Sponsor.
nationwide effort—a big attribute. In fact, if we look at the
budget priorities of the department, one item here is clearly           REP. ABAYA. Yes, there is a commitment from the
stated, “Managing truck overloading through enforcement of         DPWH to get in touch with the Honorable Cagas as regards
laws.”                                                             this issue, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. CAGAS. May I humbly suggest that it be in the                 REP. CAGAS. Thank you, distinguished Sponsor. You
level of the Secretary and the PNP chief, as well as the LTO       know, all the Representatives have concerns with the DPWH.
administrator, because I am a simple and lowly Representation      I hope that they will be given light one way or the other,
from the First District of Davao del Sur and I cannot summon       distinguished Sponsor, considering that maybe tomorrow, the
all of these big guys in one table. May I, therefore, humbly       Secretary will be in a much better mood than today because
suggest that amongst the honchos of the agencies concerned,        tomorrow, again, is his 45th birthday.
they agree among themselves and deputize whoever needs to
be deputized.                                                            REP. ABAYA. Well, Mr. Speaker, the good Secretary
     As far as the LGUs are concerned, distinguished Sponsor,      has been here at nine o’clock at the Majority Leader’s room.
we would appreciate it if these concerned departments and          I think a lot of our Members had been enlightened; they smile
agencies of the government could also give some sort of a          after they leave the room, Mr. Speaker.
semblance of authority to the LGU, for example, the province
of Davao del Sur, so that we will not be in a legal hotbed              REP. CAGAS. Iyong ngiti ko na lang po ang hinihintay
when we apprehend overloaded truck-cargoes or violators of         ko, distinguished Sponsor.
the weight which is prescribed by the Land Transportation               With that, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, this
Office.                                                            Representation has no more questions as far as the budget of
                                                                   Secretary Babes Singson is concerned.
      REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, the Secretary feels there is             Thank you very much, distinguished Sponsor.
no need for a cabinet-level inter-agency. He is confident on
this. As regards deputization, it is LTO which should deputize        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.
LGUs in order to apprehend and assist in the enforcement of        Majority Leader is recognized.
laws, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
    REP. CAGAS. As a request amongst the zillion requests          recognize the Hon. Simeon A. Datumanong of the Second
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District of Maguindanao who wishes to interpellate the            road traversing the area of the autonomous region ahead, or
honorable Sponsor.                                                even before the implementation of the mini-Marshal plan, it
                                                                  will be much more welcome. I hope it can be done.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
distinguished Gentleman, the Hon. Simeon Datumanong, is                REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, with regard to the early
recognized.                                                       implementation of the mini-Marshal plan, I guess we have to
                                                                  make do with the funds that we have. But with regard to the
     REP. DATUMANONG. Thank you very much, Mr.                    coordination being done, the empowerment and the capacity-
Speaker.                                                          building cooperation to help out the ARMM-DPWH, they
     I only have a very few questions. I would like to first      are currently doing a mapping of the region.
state that the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao is                 I remember during my very first briefing with the
one of the poor regions in the country, or maybe, it is the       Secretary a year ago, they were literally blind to the ARMM.
poorest region in the country. This condition can very well       They do not know what the road networks are. They do not
be experienced or felt when one travels along the highways        know the conditions. They have nothing for reference on the
traversing the autonomous region. When I say highways,            program and projects for the ARMM. However, the mapping
these are national roads, primary or arterial roads and some      is currently being done so that they would now see the
are secondary roads. Many portions of these highways,             situation in the ARMM. Likewise, with regard to
especially those located in District II of the province of        implementation, it will be a joint effort of implementing
Maguindanao, have been the scenes of accidents—some of            projects between the ARMM-DPWH and national DPWH,
them fatal because of the very bad condition of the roads         Mr. Speaker.
which have not been given the benefit of repair for quite a
time.                                                                  REP. DATUMANONG. Mr. Speaker, distinguished
     My first question is, who really is in charge of repairing   Sponsor, we, who represent some districts in or the districts
or rehabilitating the national roads traversing the area of the   in the ARMM, have tried to help in the situation prevailing in
autonomous region?                                                our region, particulary in our respective districts, to alleviate
                                                                  the sufferings of travelers and, therefore, the sufferings of
     REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, the agency ultimately               the people in the area by trying to insert some funds for the
responsible for the maintenance of national roads inside the      purpose of repair or rehabilitation. Unfortunately, they did
ARMM is the ARMM-DPWH. However, the Secretary has                 not find favor from the proper authorities, including the
shared during the committee hearings, likewise, just a while      Committee on Appropriations of the House of
ago, that the DPWH is currently coordinating with ARMM-           Representatives. I hate to say it but it happened. But I am not
DPWH to craft a mini-Marshal plan for the ARMM. It is             blaming anybody, I am just saying this to emphasize that we
about to be finished and be brought to the President,—that        have done our part to help make people feel comfortable and
despite that fact that the responsibility is purely with the      happy and, of course, to call the attention of the Department
ARMM, the national government is reaching out to contribute       of Public Works and Highways that because the efforts of the
to the rehabilitation of the ARMM, Mr. Speaker.                   Representatives of the ARMM are not enough, are not really
                                                                  working or are not really being welcome, then probably, even
     REP. DATUMANONG. That is a very welcome                      on a voluntary basis, the Department of Public Works and
information, and I am very sure that it will reassure not just    Highways can do it.
the people of the autonomous region, but even those who are            I would like to state here that during my time as Secretary
traveling along the highways traversing the area of the said      of Public Works and Highways, I did not disregard the efforts
region. However, I would like to recommend that if this sort      that should be given to the area of the autonomous region. I
of repair and perhaps rehabilitation can be done in               helped the area of the autonomous region as I did to the other
coordination—as the distinguished Sponsor has pointed out—        areas of the country.
with the autonomous region—of which I am very sure that
the autonomous region’s authority is not capable of, because           REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, with regard to congressional
I have seen that such condition of roads has been going on        initiatives, if the good Gentleman from Maguindanao is
for years and we have not seen any appropriate action from        referring to last year, it has really been a reform policy. But
the autonomous region—then it will be much, much welcome,         with regard to what the former Secretary of Public Works did
and I am very sure that it will make the people of the            when he was then the Public Works Secretary, the current
autonomous region happier. May I recommend that any such          Secretary is likewise doing the same. He has received requests
assistance from the Department of Public Works and                from the Members of the House from the ARMM and the
Highways be extended even before the implementation of            requests are currently being processed. So, we have no reason
the so-called mini-Marshall plan for the ARMM.                    to believe that despite the fact that the responsibility is with
                                                                  the ARMM, the national government will assist the ARMM
    REP. ABAYA. I am sorry I did not get the question, Mr.        even in this year’s program, Mr. Speaker.
Speaker.
                                                                      REP. DATUMANONG. May I thank the distinguished
     REP. DATUMANONG. My recommendation, Mr.                      Sponsor for that; I also thank the authorities, especially the
Speaker, is that if the Department of Public Works and            Secretary of the Department of Public Works and Highways.
Highways will give assistance to the ARMM and do the work         But let me emphasize once more that if we wait for the
to rehabilitate or repair the very bad portions of the national   implementation of the mini-Marshall plan, maybe, things will
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be too late. But I am happy already with the assurance of           made; second, if the funds are being served right; and third,
distinguished Sponsor, that even before that implementation         to determine who really is the contractor of the project. I
of the mini-Marshall plan, if it will come to life, the             hope I got that assurance from the Department of Public Works
Department of Public Works and Highways will still have             and Highways that they will take a closer look on this project.
coordination with the authority of the ARMM for the purpose
of the necessary assistance to be extended.                             REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, an investigation is currently
     For that, may I thank the Secretary of Public Works and        on-going or at least the Secretary has committed that an
Highways and the distinguished Sponsor.                             investigation shall be done with regard to the 30 percent
                                                                    implementation of the project. Likewise, the Secretary
    REP. ABAYA. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                             mentioned that the project is now fully funded for this year
                                                                    and next year, Mr. Speaker.
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.
Majority Leader is recognized.                                           REP. ENVERGA. Thank you, distinguished Sponsor.
                                                                         Mr. Speaker, if I may add, who really is the contractor of
      REP. DATUMANONG. May I have a reaction on my                  the project? Baka pwede po itong maisama sa ating imbestigasyon.
last statement before I sit down, Mr. Speaker, that an assistance
will be made even before the implementation of the mini-                 REP. ABAYA. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the Secretary commits
Marshall plan, if at all it will come to life.                      to find out who really is the contractor of the project.

     REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, with regard to the mini-                   REP. ENVERGA. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you,
Marshall plan, a conservative or an optimistic estimate is that     distinguished Sponsor. Happy birthday to our good Secretary
early next year, it would be implemented. But even before           Singson. (Applause)
the mini-Marshall plan was even discussed or approved by
the President, the Secretary would like to share that 26 percent       THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.
of his budget is in Mindanao, where the ARMM has its fair           Majority Leader is recognized.
share of that percentage valued at P2 billion committed for
this year, Mr. Speaker.                                                 REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
                                                                    recognize the Hon. Danilo Suarez from the Third District of
    REP. DATUMANONG. Thank you very much, Mr.                       Quezon for his interpellation and subsequent motion.
Speaker.
                                                                        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Yes, the Chair
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.                         recognizes the distinguished Gentleman from Quezon, Hon.
Majority Leader is recognized.                                      Danilo Suarez.

    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                         REP. SUAREZ. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
recognize the Hon. Mark Enverga from the First District of          Sponsor.
Quezon for his interpellation.                                          Is that right that it is the 45th birthday of the DPWH
                                                                    Secretary?
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right. The
Gentleman from Quezon is recognized.                                     REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, that is based on the
                                                                    statements made by Honorable Cagas. As to its veracity, I do
     REP. ENVERGA. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.                not think the Secretary wants it verified, Mr. Speaker.
     Magandang hapon po sa ating DPWH family. Thank you,            (Laughter)
distinguished Sponsor.
     I just have a small concern and I will be brief with this           REP. SUAREZ. My first question, Mr. Speaker,
issue which is very much parochial.                                 distinguished Sponsor, is rather parochial. This is about the
     In the year 2009, we have been very beneficial enough          Southern Luzon Expressway (SLEX).
to be granted a project called the Lucban Diversion Road. As             Our experience is that the continuation of the road from
far as I know, in 2009, the initial portion of this project was     Calamba, Laguna to Sto. Tomas, Batangas, or a distance of
bidded out by then Regional Director and former Asst. Sec.          about 8.1 kilometers took almost six years to completion.
Bonner Seguit. The project was awarded to a certain company,        Now that it is done, there is a savings of about 15 to 20 minutes
which is practically a dummy company. It turns out that the         travel time from the National Capital Region to the Southern
main contractor is the mayor of the town of Lucban, Quezon.         Tagalog Region. When I say Southern Tagalog, it benefits
I had the privilege to discuss this with the Secretary, whom I      Bicol, Visayas and Mindanao which are traversing through
know is also truthful to the President’s advocacy of “tuwid         the use of the roll-on, roll-off (RORO). During our continuous
na daan.”                                                           meeting in the Southern Tagalog Development Committee,
     At this point the project has been very much delayed. I        we found out that the government, through the PNCC, which
know that its implementation started in 2009, but now, only         by this time is non-existent because the franchise was not
about 30 percent of the project has been completed.                 extended by the Senate, has in its hands the share of the
     As the good Secretary has mentioned earlier, Mr. Speaker,      government for the Southern Luzon Expressway. Three to
a team from the Quality Assurance Unit (QAU) will be sent           four months ago, that amount was about P335 million in
to investigate on first, the quality of the road that is being      escrow.
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     If we look back, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, the      that the right-of-way for the highway that he is mentioning
major problem in the long completion of the Sto. Tomas–            will only cost P350 million, the good Secretary can easily
Calamba road was the right-of-way. If we go through the long       gather some funds to pay for such right-of-way, Mr. Speaker.
process of appropriation every year, the identification of the
land to be paid, then we look at what we call the “hulugan”             REP. SUAREZ. That is what I am saying, Mr. Speaker,
approach in the acquisition of the right-of-way. When we           but I beg to disagree with you when you said that if it is still
asked the supposed to be developer from Sto. Tomas to              existing, hindi po na-renew iyong prangkisa ng PNCC. So,
Quezon, we were told that the estimated cost of the right-of-      paano pa ho mag-e-exist iyon? I do not know how that escrow
way traversing the three provinces will be about P350 million.     fund is being identified. Huwag na ho nating pag-usapan, ang
So, nandiyan na po ang pera na pwedeng pambayad, which             importante ho ay may pera tayo. As I said, the last count,
is a question of semantics in terms of assignment of funds.        three months ago, was P350 million. I would imagine by this
Hindi ko alam ngayon dahil as I said, hindi na existing ang        time, P400 million na po iyon.
PNCC kaya naka-escrow ang pera. Ang sumasagot po sa amin                So, ang point ko kung gagamitin po ng DPWH sa ibang
sa committee hearings ay ang Toll Regulatory Board (TRB).          pondo—sapagkat itinanong ko rin po naman iyong mga
     Ang emphasis ko lang po ay ang kalsada ngayon. Ang            kontratista at sinabi nila, “Are you prepared to advance the
Maharlika Highway ay overloaded na sa dami ng sasakyan.            funds, and then be paid in other ways like iyong share ng
If we will discuss the cost of wear and tear in terms of           gobyerno, kukunin na lang ninyo.” Ang importante po is the
maintenance, I will estimate that the cost of maintaining this     working agreement between the department, the contractor
stretch of road from Sto. Tomas all the way to Bicol and           and the landowner on the price per square meter doon sa
Quezon will be in billions of pesos, sapagkat napakakipot ng       babagtasing lansangan.
kalsada at hindi na ma-expand. Wala nang oras. Noong araw,
what we do is we travel at night so that traffic will be light.         REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, again, the only condition
Ngayon po, dahil sa ang bumabagtas na mga sasakyan diyan           that the Secretary requires is if there is an assurance that it is
na nanggagaling pa sa Visayas, Mindanao at Kabikulan,              at P400 million, he could easily come up with funds to pay
talagang punung-puno na ang ating lansangan. We are merely         for the right-of-way. But as regards contractors advancing,
talking here of a stretch of about 65 kilometers. That is from     sabi niya ay baka may makulong ho roon. So, it might be a
Sto. Tomas, Batangas to the Quezon boundary which covers           messy arrangement. The government would rather go through
65 kilometers. Iyan na po ang kabuuan ng Southern Luzon            the regular procurement and bidding process, but as regards
Expressway.                                                        the P400 million, if the assurance is only P400 million, funds
     Ang paramount problem natin ngayon is the right-of-           could be made available, Mr. Speaker.
way. May pera na po tayo sa right-of-way. Iminungkahi namin
sa Southern Tagalog Development Committee na ang pera                  REP. SUAREZ. Can I just go back to the issue of
na naka-escrow sa PNCC ay ilagay ng DOF sa Department              advancing? If you will recall, distinguished Sponsor, noon
of Public Works and Highways, simulan nang bayaran ang             pong inaprubahan natin iyong kontrata ng SLEX to the
mga babagtasing lupa mula Sto. Tomas hanggang Quezon, to           Malaysian contractor, ito pong Representasyong ito ang
make travel for my colleagues, who are coming all the way          naglagay ng probisyon na kapag hindi itinuloy iyong kalsada
from Visayas, Mindanao and Bicol areas, comfortable.               hanggang Quezon ay tatanggalin po ang kanilang prangkisa.
Sapagkat doon po sa pagbaba ng zigzag ng Quezon                    That is the provision in the contract.
nagsisimula ang Southern Luzon Expressway, and it will only
take an-hour-and-40-minutes travel from Quezon to Manila               REP. ABAYA. A-huh.
where we save three hours in hectic traffic.
     We can just estimate the savings in terms of time, fuel             REP. SUAREZ. Kaya gusto rin ho nilang matapos.
and maintenance of both road and vehicles. So, mayroon na          Ngayon, kung gagawa po ng right-of-way acquisition and the
po kaming resolution. Gusto ko lamang hilingin iyong comfort       price is acceptable to the government, with a simple
ng aming mga kababayan sa Katagalugan maging sa                    concurrence from the department, baka mabilis iyong proseso.
Kabisayaan, Kabikulan at mga taga-Mindanao na siyang               Wala po naman akong nakikitang illegality doon sa probisyon
makikinabang sa extension ng Southern Luzon Expressway             na maaaring, “the contractor can do the right-of-way
na iyon pong paggamit ng pera na nasa gobyerno ay mailagay         acquisition with the conformity of the government.”
na sa right-of-way. Ano po ba ang palagay ng ating magiting              Anyway, I do not think that we can resolve that issue. I
na Kalihim?                                                        just would like to highlight this in plenary because I would
                                                                   say that 70 percent of the Members of the House will be
     REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, let me answer a few facts            affected by these mere 65 kilometers of travelling comfort
mentioned by the good Gentleman from Quezon.                       from Sto. Tomas to the boundary of Quezon, going to the
     First of all, the Philippine National Construction            Fourth District, which means that at 50 kilometers, we will
Corporation (PNCC) still exists. There were appointees made        be in Bicol already. Can I just delve on the second issue of
by the current President. However, the direction is that it will   this Representation?
wind down. Eventually ay isasara na itong kumpanyang ito.                Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the department
     Second, on the P350 million in escrow, apparently, there      for instituting reforms. I can see, I can feel it, I can observe
are ownership issues. It is not at the disposition of the          it, and I noticed that it seems to be working; it seems to be
Secretary to just take the P350 million and channel it             effective. It is a concern on the continuous and determined
elsewhere. However, the uninteresting statement for the good       effort of the department. Ang concern ko lang po ay ito: on
Gentleman from Quezon is that if he could make the assurance       the plight of a contractor to pave with a kilometer of road, on
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the assumption that it is level, you need 30,000 bags of cement.   po ba? Nangyari po iyon. Kung ang magiging policy po—
Is that correct?                                                   remember, distinguished Sponsor, the price index of the
                                                                   Bangko Central changes every month, hindi po ba?— I think
    REP. ABAYA. The Chairman appreciates the good words            that will be the barometer or the very bible that this department
and the reforms mentioned by the good Gentleman from the           is using in making the computation on the approved agency
Minority. I am awaiting the data, Mr. Speaker.                     estimate.

   REP. SUAREZ. Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor,                     REP. ABAYA. Yes, Mr. Speaker. The price index is used
huwag na ho nating tanungin sapagkat maaari hong plus or           as a barometer. There is a standard being used by the
minus. Iyon rin po talaga ang estimate ko.                         Department right now. However, there will be variations based
                                                                   on the actual conditions on the ground, Mr. Speaker.
      REP. ABAYA. Yes. In the meantime, let us assume that
it is correct, Mr. Speaker.                                             REP. SUAREZ. The only cooperation and assistance
                                                                   maybe that this Representation will be asking on behalf of
     REP. SUAREZ. It is. Ang cost po ng kalsada ngayon is          my colleague is a little bit of reasonableness on the AAE
this. In concreting, the main cost will be the cement. I think     especially with districts, shall we say, that are infiltrated or
we are not going to debate on that. Then, comes the other          influenced by our brothers on the other side of the camp.
costs. Sa buhay ng isang kontratista, hindi po maiiwasan diyan     Lagyan ho natin ng konsiderasyon sapagkat that hidden cost
ang mangutang, and interests have to be paid. A delay in the       plays a major role in the cost of construction. Hindi naman
collection will mean a question of profit or loss for a            ho pwedeng i-admit ng Kalihim na nangyayari iyon, but we
contractor. Added to that are hidden costs. In hidden costs,       know it is happening. So, iyon lang ho ang isa sa hihingin
maybe we do not want to discuss it here because it involves        ko, a little leeway on understanding the plight of our
security like revolutionary tax. Papayag ba ang department         colleagues in these districts that are affected with such a
na ilagay na natin sa cost ng project ang revolutionary tax?       problem.
Hindi ho papayag iyan dahil magagalit po ang militar sa atin            So, that message cannot just be—I do not expect that to
kapag naglagay tayo ng line item na revolutionary tax sa ating     be answered. It is an appeal that maybe in due time, the good
construction. But it is happening. So, ang akin pong               Secretary can just let us know whether our appeal will be
katanungan ay ito: sa paniwala ng ating Kalihim at ng ahensya      considered. I will go to my last question regarding the
at ninyo, bilang Congressman, ano po ang acceptable,               “Kalsada natin, alagaan natin.” Mr. Speaker, distinguished
reasonable at tolerable profit na pwede po nating sabihing         Sponsor, this is my brainchild. Ang paniwala ko po ang
karapat-dapat na tanggapin ng isang namumuhunang                   kalsada ng national road at national secondary road ay
kontratista, percentage wise?                                      napakagandang ehemplo na i-consider ng barangay na
                                                                   nakakasakop ng kanyang extended garden na dapat laging
    REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, 10 to 15 percent.                     malinis at maayos upang pagdating ng ulan ay walang baha.
                                                                   We are not going to debate on my statement na habang may
    REP. SUAREZ. That is after taxes?                              tubig ang kalsada, hindi po tatagal iyan, sapagkat ang kalsada
                                                                   po, kahit anong galing ng base course, kahit meron kang CTB
    REP. ABAYA. Yes, after tax, Mr. Speaker.                       at concreted base, kahit mag-concrete paving ka, basta
                                                                   nagkaroon ng tubig sa ilalim, sira ang kalsada mo. Tama po
    REP. SUAREZ. So, neto na ho na pwede niyang iuwi               ba ako roon?
iyong kinse porsyento. That is acceptable?
                                                                       REP. ABAYA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. ABAYA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                        REP. SUAREZ. One enemy of this maintenance
    REP. SUAREZ. Is that how they do the estimate on their         problem is line canal and sewage, and the best defense is
approved agency estimate (AAE)?                                    the continuous cleaning of line canal and maintaining that
                                                                   water does not stagnate in the national roads during rain
    REP. ABAYA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                  season. I understand that we continuously reduced the
                                                                   number of workers in our national and secondary roads,
    REP. SUAREZ. At present?                                       and I will not use the Speaker as an example because he is a
                                                                   senior citizen. As a matter of fact, he is resting. I do not
    REP. ABAYA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                  think he is listening to me.

     REP. SUAREZ. Nevertheless, kapag sasabihin po natin               REP. ABAYA. Probably, he does not hear you, Mr.
na kinse porsyento ang pwedeng iuwi nang diretso ng isang          Speaker.
kontratista is acceptable, baka mawala na po iyong pinahihinto
nating project on the suspicion that it is questionable or              REP. SUAREZ. I am going to use you as an example,
irregular, sapagkat totoo po naman na napakarami pong              distinguished Sponsor. You are able-bodied, you are young,
naiwang projects ang nakaraang administrasyon na napahinto.        you are energetic, you play basketball. Tatanungin kita: kung
I do not know really kung ano po ang nangyari doon sa ibang        meron kang hawak na grasscutter o scythe, iyong pamputol
projects na iyon na tinatawag pa nga nating nag-negative           ng damo—ilang kilometro ang kaya mong linisin sa isang
SARO tayo. Nandoon na iyong SARO ay ini-recall pa, hindi           araw?
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    REP. ABAYA. Mr. Speaker, hindi pa ako nakapuputol             aspect of maintenance. So, it is currently being studied and a
ng damo pero with enough motivation, I could probably do          commitment is being made, Mr. Speaker.
10 kilometers of cutting grass. If that would make my family
survive, I will cut 10 kilometers of grass, Mr. Speaker.               REP. SUAREZ. So, can we safely say, distinguished
                                                                  Sponsor, that when we go back—because after this we will
     REP. SUAREZ. Ten kilometers of grass.                        have a long break—can we say to our constituents in the
                                                                  barangay along the national roads, alam ho ninyo, rotation
    REP. ABAYA. That is for me, Mr. Speaker, but the official     ho iyan at pinag-aagawan po ang trabahong iyan. Mr. Speaker,
standard used by the DPWH is that one person for three-and-       distinguished Sponsor, just to show you kung gaano kahirap
a-half kilometers. I could do three times as much.                ang buhay sa ating kanayunan, ang P200—magkano po ba
                                                                  ang binabayad nila ngayon? P240, is that correct? Kasi noong
     REP. SUAREZ. Iyan na nga ho ang point ko. Alam mo,           panahon ko po ay P150 a day.
ang nagtatrabaho sa atin diyan are marginal citizens of our
barangay. Hindi ho magkatulad ang kinakain natin. We are              REP. ABAYA. It is minimum wage, Mr. Speaker.
fortified with vitamins, medical attention, comfort in life;
natutulog sa aircon. Sila, hindi ho. Sila ay nakabaluktot sa           REP. SUAREZ. So, iyon ho ay talagang pantawid
kumot sa gabi kapag malamig at pinagpapawisan habang              pamilya. That amount could give a decent breakfast for a
natutulog sa panahon ng tag-init. They may look sturdy and        family of seven. That was our study—breakfast, lunch, dinner
healthy, but deep inside is a deteriorating health condition.     at pwede pong mag-aral ang bata with that amount. Pero kung
Kaya, ang point ko, iyon ho namang tatlong kilometro ay           magkakasakit po siya dahil sa tatlong kilometro at kalahati
napakahirap gawin ng isang pangkaraniwang trabahador.             iyong kanyang tatrabahuhin, hindi ho tatagal iyan. Baka sa
     Mr. Speaker, ano po ang one kilometer? Mula rito sa labas    kanyang kikitain, sa gamot lang kulang pa.
ng gate ng Batasan, iyan po ay kailangang umabot, palagay              With that as my final concern, by next year at around
ko, hanggang Ever. That is one kilometer. Will that be correct?   this time, the Minority would like to see in this PowerPoint
                                                                  presentation the accomplishment done by the Department in
    REP. ABAYA. What is the reference again, Mr. Speaker?         the amount of budget they are asking for 2012. Since this
Sorry.                                                            Representation has known the good Secretary for a long time
                                                                  now, may I congratulate him for a job well done. I am hoping
     REP. SUAREZ. That is 1,000 meters.                           that by next year, we can see a better report on what the
                                                                  Department has done for the last half of the year.
    REP. ABAYA. Yes, one kilometer is 1,000 meters, Mr.                With that, Mr. Speaker, considering that no other Member
Speaker.                                                          from the Minority would like to interpellate, on behalf of the
                                                                  Minority, I move that we terminate the period of interpellation
     REP. SUAREZ. Palagay po ninyo, umaraw o uminit,              and debate on the budget of the DPWH for 2012.
nandoon si manggagawa; nililinis at inaalis niya iyong mga
sukal; inaayos iyong kanal. Kabilaan po iyan because you              REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker.
have easement kasi hindi naman ho pagkatapos dito ay lilipat
ka sa kabila. Didiretsohin mo iyong area mo, tapos babalikan          THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the
mo sa kabila. Let us be pragmatic about this. Tumutulong na       Dep. Majority Leader say?
rin lang tayo. Mayroon ka na ngang CCT na P38 billion, ano
ba namang dagdagan natin iyong ibibigay na karapatan ng                REP. GUNIGUNDO. In order to give the good Secretary
Kongreso na mag-identify ng magme-maintain ng aming               the opportunity to celebrate his birthday in a more festive
kalsada, at ng national at secondary roads, by increasing the     atmosphere, and there being no other Member from the
workforce. Napakahalaga po niyan. The end result is a good        Majority who wishes to interpellate on the budget of the
road. Kapag may bagyo, may mga nakahambalang na puno,             Department of Public Works and Highways, we join the
sino ang unang line of force mo na naglilinis ng kalsada? Sila    motion of the Honorable Suarez to terminate the period of
ho iyong nag-aalis ng mga nakahambalang na puno, kasama           interpellation and debate on the proposed budget of the
iyong district engineer, but the workforce is the kanan. Kaya,    Department of Public Works and Highways.
i-adjust ho natin. Mukha ho talagang hirap. Tatlong kilometro
at kalahati para sa isang manggagawa na babalikan mo, sa              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). Is there any
umaraw at sa uminit, nandoon ka. Mahirap ho iyon.                 objection from the floor? (Silence) The Chair hears none;
     So, can we come up with a tactical number right now?         the motion is approved.
Maybe the good Secretary can do some pencil-pushing and               The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized. (Applause)
oversee it dahil iyan po ay turf natin. The national and
secondary roads are the turf of the Members of the House. It                     SUSPENSION OF SESSION
is a privilege for us to identify that we manage to gain
employment out of this program.                                        REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move for a few
                                                                  minutes suspension of the session to allow the DPWH family
     REP. ABAYA. Well, Mr. Speaker, currently, the                to extricate themselves from the session hall, and allow the
department is studying it. There is a deliberate decision to      DILG family to occupy the seats at the back for the next budget
increase the expenditure for the maintenance of roads that        deliberations on the budget of the Department of the Interior
will include both the fiscal aspect and the human resource        and Local Government.
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     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). For the purpose                    The P968.9 billion for the implementation and
indicated, the session is suspended for a few minutes.             monitoring of the Payapa at Masaganang Pamayanan
                                                                   ( PA M A N A ) p r o g r a m w i l l h e l p h a s t e n t h e
    It was 2:42 p.m.                                               transformation of conflict-affected areas into havens
                                                                   of sustainable development. The P1.5 billion Capital
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                               Outlay for the public infrastructure for potable water
                                                                   supply will improve the quality of life of our people
    At 3:06 p.m., the session was resumed.                         in the identified waterless communities of our
                                                                   country.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is                      Mr. Speaker, united by the common desire to foster
resumed.                                                           peace, prosperity and progress to the nation, and with your
    The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.                        support and prudent guidance, and relying on the sagacity
                                                                   and wisdom of our colleagues in this august Chamber, it is
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we open              hoped that the proposed budget of the Department of the
the period of interpellation and debate on the proposed budget     Interior and Local Government will be approved with
of the Department of the Interior and Local Government             deliberate speed.
including its attached agencies.                                        Mr. Speaker, this Representation is now ready for
                                                                   interpellation.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). All right. Is                      Thank you very much.
there any objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the
motion is approved.                                                   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.
     The House will now enter into the sponsorship of the          Majority Leader is recognized.
budget of the Department of the Interior and Local
Government.                                                             REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
     The distinguished Vice Chairman of the Appropriations         recognize the Lady from the First District of Lanao del Norte,
Committee, the Hon. Vincent P. Crisologo, is recognized.           the Hon. Imelda Quibranza-Dimaporo, for her interpellation.

    SPONSORSHIP SPEECH OF REP. CRISOLOGO                                THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
                                                                   distinguished Lady from Lanao del Norte is recognized.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
     Mr. Speaker, distinguished Members of the House, ladies            REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank
and gentlemen, good afternoon.                                     you, our distinguished Sponsor.
     I have the honor to sponsor before this House the budget           Mr. Speaker, may I know if there is any law, regulation
of the Department of the Interior and Local Government for         or practice that sets the number of population per one
the year 2012, amounting to P95.1 billion.                         policeman with the proposed 2012 budget of the Department
     The DILG is composed of the following offices and             of the Interior and Local Government. What is the ratio of
agencies: the Office of the Secretary, the Bureau of Fire          population for every one policeman that the Department may
Protection, the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology,            employ?
the Local Government Academy, the National Police
Commission, and the Philippine Public Safety College.                   REP. CRISOLOGO. Actually, Mr. Speaker, there is no
     Mr. Speaker, the department performs a significant and        law mandating the ratio of policemen to the numbers of
important role in our society as it is mandated to promote         citizens. However, they are following guidelines and the ratio
peace and order, ensure public safety, and further strengthen      is usually 1:500.
local government capability aimed towards the effective
delivery of basic services to the citizenry.                           REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Mr. Speaker, did I hear it right,
     For the year 2012, Mr. Speaker, the Department of the         1:500?
Interior and Local Government was provided with P95.1
billion, 9.45 percent or P8.2 billion higher than this year’s           REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, one policeman to 500 citizens.
budget of P86.9 billion. In terms of expense class, the Personal   That is the ideal ratio which we would like the Philippine
Services increased by P4.8 billion, and the Maintenance and        National Police to attain. However, at present, the PNP
Other Operating Expenses (MOOE) increased by P1.9 billion,         authorized strength of 142,393 has to police a population
while the Capital Outlays increased by P1.5 billion.               ratio of 1:664. So, adding 3,000 new recruits for November
     Mr. Speaker, the proposed budget will boost the               2011 with this budget, if it will be approved, with your
Department’s campaign and pursuit to attain the President’s        indulgence, the authorized strength will be 145,393 or with
vision for “Tapat na Palakad, Bayang Maunlad.” The budget          the ratio of 1:660 citizens.
will also allow the Department to relentlessly pursue changes
and implement reforms in the fields of local governance, peace          REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Mr. Speaker, in my province in
and order, and public safety.                                      Lanao del Norte, the ratio is 1,000 per one policeman. Why
     In line with this, the Department will continue the           can the honorable Secretary and the Chief of National Police
Performance Challenge Fund which has been expanded to              not allocate more policemen to Lanao del Norte and other
inspire more LGUs to heed the call for better performance,         MILF-conflict areas to improve the ratio of population for
better governance and better service to the people.                every policeman?
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     REP. CRISOLOGO. That is very true, Mr. Speaker. Much              REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Maybe, I will ask for a quorum,
as the Secretary and the PNP Chief would like to reach that       Mr. Speaker, so that commitment will really be implemented.
ratio of 1:500, there are circumstances which are beyond their    You know, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, I was born in
control like, for example, the limitation of the budget right     Lanao del Norte. I grew up there. Alam ko po. My main
now which our country cannot afford. As a matter of fact,         concern is really the peace and order where the victims are
they have proposed it to the DBM but it was slashed when          the innocent civilians.
the DBM submitted to us the budget of the DILG. So, as
much as they would like to, their resources are limited, Mr.           REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. That is why the
Speaker.                                                          PNP Chief has not only promised but it is here now on paper,
                                                                  in Region X, that he is going to give more attention and give
     REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Mr. Speaker, I asked this because        more personnel because he is very aware, Mr. Speaker,
the leadership then of the DILG and the PNP neglected us.         esteemed colleague, of the situation there, of what had
     In 2008, when the Supreme Court denied the                   happened there. He really sympathizes, that is why he is acting
Memorandum of Agreement on the Ancestral Domain, or what          on it. That would be one of his first priorities.
is called MOAAD, between the panels of the MILF and the
Republic, the ground forces of the AFP and the PNP felt the           REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Mr. Speaker, we in Lanao del
movements of the MILF and requested reinforcements. But           Norte do not want to accept the sympathy of our distinguished
the Chief-of-Staff and the PNP Chief then denied the request.     Sponsor. We want dedicated and sincere words that we will
The national leadership then was informed by the MILF             be protected, and that our Philippine nationals will really be
leadership that the MILF forces who were seen in Lanao del        given the attention. Alam ko po, mayroon pong in-assign iyan
Norte were just on a drill, just showing their force.             eh. Ang mobile force is composed of 106, eh ilan lang po
     Now that our national leadership denied the substate         iyong sa amin. Ang alam ko po, they were brought to other
requested by the MILF, will we be fooled once again? They         provinces. Well, I understand they have also NPAs. If you
will send reinforcements, tanks, communication equipment,         look at the records, kami po sa Lanao del Norte, we are not
after the MILF massacre the innocent, aged, pregnant,             under the ARMM but we are the first ones na inaatake. Lucky
children, young and old, and loot houses and commercial           for Lanao del Sur at hindi sila ginagalaw kasi maybe ang
establishments, burn schoolbuildings and houses of the poor,      mga nanggugulo ay galing sa kanila o tagaroon.
and rape mothers and daughters side by side, as the MILF              The Muslims and the Christians are united in Lanao del
did in 2008 in my congressional district particularly in the      Norte. How can the police in each police station protect kung
municipalities of Kauswagan and Kolambugan.                       kulang po ang aming mobile forces?
     On July 20, 2010 last year, I delivered a privilege speech
requesting more army and police, strengthening the MILF-               REP. CRISOLOGO. That is why, Mr. Speaker, esteemed
conflict areas like Lanao del Norte and this was forwarded to     colleague, the PNP Chief has not only promised, but tomorrow,
the Secretary of the Department of National Defense,              he will be giving out a directive. As a matter of fact, the members
Secretary of the DILG, the Chief of Staff, ARMM Chief and         of the public safety battalion will also reinforce. Aside from
the PNP Chief, but my privilege speech fell on deaf ears.         the policemen, there will be members of the public safety
     Now, Mr. Speaker, especially considering our denial of       battalion which will reinforce our police forces there.
the MILF’s request for their substate, we want to know how             Tomorrow, the PNP Chief has assured this Representation
many more policemen, guns, ammunitions,                           that he is going to meet with the regional commanders in the
communications—in fact, I was calling my provincial director      different areas, especially the Lady’s provincial commander,
and I could not reach him dahil pinutulan po ang kanyang          so that they will see what measures they could take up and
cellphone at walang pambayad. With regard to vehicles, when       add to ensure peace and order in your place, Mr. Speaker.
I was governor then, there was no vehicle provided to Lanao
del Norte for the mobile force, so the provincial government           REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Mr. Speaker, do we have a quorum?
purchased vehicles for the mobile group and 10 motorcycles,
as well for the Philippine National Police in Lanao del Norte.                    SUSPENSION OF SESSION

     REP. CRISOLOGO. The truth of the matter, Mr. Speaker,           REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move for a few
Mme. Sponsor, is that the incumbent PNP Chief was newly           minutes suspension of the session.
installed and he has studied that matter. He sympathizes and
he sees the situation in Region X. As a matter of fact, he has        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is
directed already even before this, around 400 new additional      suspended for a few minutes.
people in your region and they will be directed to go into the
places where they will be assigned and the PNP Chief will              It was 3:21 p.m.
consult with you. As a matter of fact, the new PNP Chief was
assigned before in Region X.                                                      RESUMPTION OF SESSION

   REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Mr. Speaker, parati na lang po                  At 3:29 p.m., the session was resumed.
kaming pinag-aaralan.
                                                                      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The session is
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Hindi na ho pinag-aaralan, but they          resumed.
are going to enforce. The new PNP Chief...                            The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.
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    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                        REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). That is for what, Mr. Speaker?
resume the interpellation of the Lady from Lanao del Norte,
on the proposed budget of the DILG and its attached                    REP. CRISOLOGO. For the Bureau of Fire Protection,
agencies.                                                          Mr. Speaker.

   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Re. Daza). All right, the                       REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). So, we have P212 million in
Lady will now resume the interpellation.                           addition to the 2011 budget for our fire personnel. What else?
                                                                   How about the PNP, Mr. Speaker?
     REP. DIMAPORO (I.). Mr. Speaker, after consultation
with the honorable Secretary of the DILG and the                       REP. CRISOLOGO. For the PNP, Mr. Speaker, it is
distinguished Sponsor, I now terminate my interpellation.          around P1.0373 billion.

   REP. CRISOLOGO. I thank the Lady from Lanao very                    REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). That is 1.373 billion, Mr. Speaker.
much, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, because their incentives have
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The Dep.                        been increased from P7,000 to P10,000.
Majority Leader is recognized.
                                                                        REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). What is this incentive that has
    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                    been increased from P7000 to P10,000? How much is the
recognize the Hon. Rufus Rodriguez from the Second District        total so that we can exactly know what we have given our
of Cagayan de Oro for his interpellation.                          police and officials for 2012?

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The eminent                         REP. CRISOLOGO. Also, their combat pay is going to
constitutionalist from the Second District of Cagayan de Oro       be increased from P340 to P500 per month.
City is recognized for his interpellation.
                                                                        REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). So, the combat pay for
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you, Mr. Speaker,                  policemen is also P340. Therefore, what is the total package,
distinguished Sponsor.                                             Mr. Speaker, to assure our men in the Philippine National
     This would be a short interpellation. When we talk about      Police, the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, and
the PNP, the BJMP, the jail and the fire the Bureau of Fire        the Bureau of Fire Protection? How much are we giving them?
Protection—these are the men that first and foremost work          How much all in all—these new packages such as the first
so that we will have peace in our areas, that they will prevent    and second tranches from the SSL, the combat pay and the
fire, conflagration and will take care of our prisoners. Mr.       P7,000 to P10,000 allowance?
Speaker. May I know from the honorable Secretary Robredo,
the father of the DILG and its attached agencies, what are             REP. CRISOLOGO. For the PNP, the total increase is
the specific benefits that were added to our policemen, our        P1,000,373,000.
firemen and our jail personnel for 2012? What are the
increases from the 2011 level? We like to show our peace                 REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Yes, how much is the total for
officers that we, in Congress, will always be fighting for the     all the incentives?
benefit and the interest of those who put their lives on the
line, so that we can have peace in our respective                       REP. CRISOLOGO. For all of these—the BFP, the BJMP
communities.                                                       and the PNP—the total is P1,775,000,000. But for the PNP,
                                                                   there is the additional salaries and allowances for new recruits
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, distinguished                    worth P551,699,000. So, all in all for the PNP, it is around
colleague, first of all, the benefits for the police were not      P2 billion, Mr. Speaker.
fully implemented before, but now, benefits are fully
implemented.                                                           REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Two billion for the PNP, Mr.
                                                                   Speaker.
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). May I get the exact figures
because for the armed forces, they were able to get P1.2 billion       REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
for the third tranche of the SSL. May I know how much is the
third tranche for the police so that we may announce to the             REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). How about for the BJMP? Two
whole world that these are the increases for 2012. We are          billion for the PNP, so the Philippine National Police should
approving a budget for the PNP for 2012 with the increases.        be very happy to know that our officials headed now by
In the armed forces, our soldiers now know, Mr. Speaker,           General Bartolome, the new Chief of the Philippine National
that from P240 every month for combat pay, it is now P500          Police, will be receiving an additional P2 billion for salaries
for our soldiers. May I know whether we also have such             and other pays. How about the BJMP?
benefit for our police personnels.
                                                                       REP. CRISOLOGO. For the BJMP, Mr. Speaker, the
    REP. CRISOLOGO. For the uniformed personnel, the               second tranche will be P188,971,000.
provisions for the second tranche is an additional increase of
P212 million for the BFP.                                              REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). How about for other benefits?
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     REP. CRISOLOGO. The other benefits for the BJMP is              REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
their annualization of salaries and allowances of 500 JO I
recruited in 2011, which has also been increased in the amount        REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Eleven Thousand. For the first
of P90 million; while the salaries and allowances of 500 FO      time, our policemen, our prison guards and our firemen will
I effective October 31 has been increased to P40,400,000.        be receiving houses, Mr. Speaker. Therefore, we have the
                                                                 message to our policemen—that we in Congress and the
    REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). So, how much in total new               President will always take care of them.
benefits or increases for 2012 from the 2011 level are we             Is it also correct that our policemen in Region X,
giving the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology?               especially in the City of Golden Friendship, Cagayan de Oro
                                                                 City, will receive housing units for our policemen, the BJMP
     REP. CRISOLOGO. All in all, Mr. Speaker, distinguished      personnel, and our jailmen in Region X and Cagayan de Oro
colleague, it is P420,200,000.                                   City? How many units are allocated for the officials and men
                                                                 of Region X?
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). So, that is P420 million. Let
us go now to the Bureau of Fire Protection, with my compadre,         REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, because these
General Bandilla. How much are we increasing, in addition        units are located in different parts of the country, which will
to the 2011 level?                                               be adapted to where our personnel from the BJMP, the PNP
                                                                 and the BFP will be assigned. So, kung saan ho sila, nandoon
     REP. CRISOLOGO. For the BJMP, Mr. Speaker, there            na rin ho iyong mga bahay.
is an increase of around P188,971,000. For the salaries and
allowances of 500 FO I effective October 31, Mr. Speaker,             REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). With those very perfect
distinguished colleague, the increase is P40,447,000.            answers of our distinguished Sponsor, this Representation
                                                                 ends his interpellation, Mr. Speaker, by saying that we
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). How much is the total                  congratulate Secretary Robredo, first, for always going all
aggregate benefits in addition to the 2011 level are we giving   over the Philippines. He has just been to Cotabato. In spite
to the Bureau of Fire Protection officers and personnel?         of the bombs, he went there to show the presence of the
                                                                 DILG, to make sure that there will be peace all over the
   REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, it is around                     land. Congratulations to Secretary Robredo. Congratulations
P471,712,000.                                                    to our heads of the agencies. General Bartolome,
                                                                 congratulations, Sir. You are now the new PNP. I join your
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). After computing this, Mr.              advisory council on peace, and we are going to make sure
Speaker, we have a figure of P2.9 billion and that amount is     we support the PNP. We support the BJMP also of General
what we are giving the officers and personnel of these three     Dial, and also to General Bandilla of the Bureau of Fire
bureaus. Congress has faith in our police officers or fire       Protection.
officials and/or jailer managers and, because of that, we are         Thank you very much. Congratulations to all!
giving them no less than P2.9 billion in additional benefits.         I move for the approval of the entire budget, in toto, of
     My second question, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor,     the DILG, including its attached agencies.
is: how many housing units have been received by the PNP              Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. (Applause)
because this is the program of Pres. Benigno Simeon
Cojuangco-Aquino III?                                                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much, distinguished
                                                                 colleague.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. For the PNP, Mr. Speaker, 11,105
units have been allocated and completed.                             REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker.

     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). All these passed or came from              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). What does the
the National Housing Authority. Is that correct, Mr. Speaker?    Dep. Majority Leader say?

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                REP. GUNIGUNDO. It is premature for us to join the
                                                                 motion of the Honorable Rodriguez at this point, because
    REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). First, may we thank the                 there are still several Members who wish to interpellate the
President because through Secretary Robredo, not only the        distinguished Sponsor of the proposed budget.
PNP will be given housing, but also our BFP and our BJMP              At this point, I move that we recognize the Hon. Marc
personnel.                                                       Douglas C. Cagas IV of the First District of Davao del Sur
                                                                 for his interpellation.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Daza). The
    REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). That is the best news that we           distinguished parliamentarian from Davao del Sur has the
can give our men, the 11,000 units, Mr. Speaker.                 floor.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                               REP. CAGAS. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                     Good afternoon, distinguished Sponsor, and the DILG
     REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Is that correct, Mr. Speaker?          as well as the PNP family. Good afternoon to all of you.
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     REP. CRISOLOGO. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.                         That having been said, distinguished Sponsor, may I now
                                                                      ask several questions related to the proposed budget of the
     REP. CAGAS. Mr. Speaker, before we get carried away              DILG and the PNP family.
by the very emotional manifestation of approval by the
Congressman from the City of Golden Friendship, may this                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Of course, Mr. Speaker.
Representation be allowed to state first certain observations,
distinguished Sponsor.                                                     REP. CAGAS. We go first to the Office of the Secretary,
                                                                      distinguished Sponsor.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would
appreciate it very much.                                                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. CAGAS. Because, distinguished Sponsor, I feel                   REP. CAGAS. The DILG, under the Office of the
that these observations of mine are most apt now that we are          Secretary, has a proposed budget of P5.483 billion for 2012.
considering the budget of the DILG.                                   Is my figure correct, distinguished Sponsor?
     The process of passing the national budget is one fraught
not only with so many figures but also with huge and great                REP. CRISOLOGO. That is correct, Mr. Speaker.
amounts. Great, because the figures involved therein are
humongous in both amount and effect. This is the reason we,                REP. CAGAS. Sa madaling salita, nagkaroon po tayo
as lawmakers, are tasked to study the overflowing and                 ng increase na P2.908 billion from the 2011 budget of P2.57
overwhelming number of figures so that we may pass a law              billion.
that properly encompasses and addresses all the different
issues, needs, concerns and problems of the entire populace.               REP. CRISOLOGO. That is correct, distinguished
     If our government, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor,           colleague.
had unlimited resources and funds, then one would be assured
that every issue will be addressed, every need shall be                   REP. CAGAS. As I reviewed the items listed in the
satisfied, every concern shall be answered, and every problem         proposed expenditures and programs, one will notice that the
will be solved.                                                       very substantial increase has been contributed by two
     The sad reality, however, my friend, distinguished               programs. First is the PAMANA program, and second is the
Sponsor, is that we have neither the resources nor the funds          provision for potable water supply program. Manong
every time, in order to do or fix everything that needs doing.        Bingbong, the PAMANA and the provision for potable water
As such, the process of making our national budget, or any            supply program...
budget for that matter, is to prioritize what needs to be done
while taking into consideration the who, what, where, and                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
how things must be done.
     In other words, distinguished Sponsor, our task on the               REP. CAGAS. Yesterday, when I interpellated
budget as lawmakers is to seek a balance, not only a balance          Secretary Soliman and before her, Secretary Deles, we
in partly doing everything that must be done, but a balance in        found out that the DILG is one of the departments that
allocating our limited resources among those seeking that             was given budget, as far as the PAMANA is concerned.
balance that we are after.                                            May I henceforth ask, distinguished Sponsor, for the
     Mr. Speaker, friends, and colleagues, whether through            information of everybody, what is this PAMANA aspect
intelligent design or favorable coincidence, it would seem            in the DILG? What is this all about, distinguished
that the Department of the Interior and Local Government,             Sponsor?
together with its attached agencies, I am proud to say this,
has somehow found a near balance in their distribution of                  REP. CRISOLOGO. This is the infrastructure component
what they propose to be allocated for them in this year’s             of the PAMANA, Mr. Speaker, also for the waterless. That is
proposed 2012 budget.                                                 the reason that the budget of the Office of the Secretary was
     Unlike the highs and lows of the regional allocations for        very much bloated to P2,000,908,000 because all of these
operations, programs, and projects of other departments,              were put into the budget of the Office of the Secretary, Mr.
where at times the discrepancies are much too great to be             Speaker.
considered as fair, the DILG, with its attached agencies, has
somehow managed to equitably distribute the regional                      REP. CAGAS. Yes. May I be specifically informed of
allocations to the extent that the final total regional allocations   how much was being proposed for the PAMANA, and how
from all the agencies in all their operations end up with total       much was being proposed for the potable water supply
amounts that may be considered as relatively close and, thus,         program, respectively, please?
equitable.
     All of these things, distinguished Sponsor, as far as                 REP. CRISOLOGO. For the PAMANA, it is P968.9
balancing of the budget is concerned, can be found in our             million, Mr. Speaker.
GAB.
     May I therefore congratulate first the DILG family and               REP. CAGAS. And for the potable water?
the Secretary for having done so with balancing the
budgetary allocations of all the respective regions throughout             REP. CRISOLOGO. For the potable water, it is P1.5
the country.                                                          billion, Mr. Speaker.
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    REP. CAGAS. Distinguished Sponsor, correct me if I                    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will not only
am wrong. Ito bang PAMANA, under the DILG, and potable               ask the Secretary to supply the members, but I will request
water—are these strictly limited to conflict-affected areas or       the Secretary to supply all the Members of the House of
can other districts in the Philippines, like the district of Cong.   Representatives information on how to avail of this program.
Nancy A. Catamco, avail of the same?
                                                                         REP. CAGAS. And when can we expect this, Mr.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. The PAMANA is used in areas                      Speaker?
where there are conflicts while the potable water is based
on those who are in need of water, distinguished                         REP. CRISOLOGO. Monday, Mr. Speaker—perhaps
colleague.                                                           next next Monday, because next Monday we will be on
                                                                     vacation.
     REP. CAGAS. In other words, if I can remember it right,
distinguished Sponsor, before we used to request for water               REP. CAGAS. Petsa beinte seis.
under the NAPC, hindi ba, the National Anti-Poverty
Commission? In other words, Mr. Speaker, distinguished                   REP. CRISOLOGO. We will be on vacation.
Sponsor, it was moved from the NAPC and transferred to the
DILG now. Para tama lang po, para nagkakaintintindihan po                REP. CAGAS. On the 26th.
tayo. Tama po ba?
                                                                          REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, when we resume
     REP. CRISOLOGO. It was transferred from the DOH…                the session.

     REP. CAGAS. DOH …                                                     REP. CAGAS. Yes. Distinguished Sponsor, the office
                                                                     has likewise increased its proposed allocation for its MOOE
     REP. CRISOLOGO. … to the DILG, Mr. Speaker.                     in its support to operations for supervision and development
                                                                     of local governments.
     REP. CAGAS. … and then to the DILG.
                                                                         REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                          REP. CAGAS. In fact, it is more than double of the
     REP. CAGAS. Since the good Secretary is there, may I            previous MOOE, that P321.94 million. May I know why,
be informed, what is the rationale of the same?                      distinguished Sponsor?

     REP. CRISOLOGO. The reason is that the Level 1                      REP. CRISOLOGO. The reason is PAMANA, Mr.
and Level 2 water supply were devolved to the LGUs, and              Speaker. The funds were put there in the MOOE.
as such, the LGUs fall under the Department of the Interior
and Local Government, so it was more advisable that the                   REP. CAGAS. But is there no duplication? If you say
funds be transferred to the DILG, Mr. Speaker.                       that it is because of the PAMANA, can you honestly say,
                                                                     distinguished Sponsor, that there is no duplication of
    REP. CAGAS. Thank you. So, that will be clear.                   funds?
    For example, a mayor from the town of, let us say,
Lanao del Sur would request from our good Secretary if                    REP. CRISOLOGO. There is none because the MOOE
they could avail of the Level 2 water system, to whom                falls under the Office of the Secretary, Mr. Speaker.
should they go? Should they go to the regional director of
the DILG, or write a letter directly to the Secretary of the             REP. CAGAS. All right. Third, in the Local Governance
DILG?                                                                Performance Management Program, the Performance-Based
                                                                     Challenge Fund for the LGUs increased from P500 million
     REP. CRISOLOGO. To the Secretary of the DILG, Mr.               to P753.7 million. Tama po ba, distinguished Sponsor?
Speaker, because there are some qualifications that they have
to fulfill in order to be a recipient of this fund.                      REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, that is correct.

    REP. CAGAS. Distinguished Sponsor, because you are                   REP. CAGAS. Ano ho ba itong programang ito, iyong
my good friend, my party-mate, I would like to abbreviate            Local Governance Performance Management Program? If I
my questioning on this aspect.                                       may also ask, distinguished Sponsor, who assesses the
                                                                     performance of LGUs?
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much.
                                                                         REP. CRISOLOGO. The NGOs and the DILG, Mr.
     REP. CAGAS. May I therefore request, what if we,                Speaker.
Congressmen request, through the Secretary, for Level 2 water
systems, and can you furnish, through your committee, this               REP. CAGAS. The DILG assesses. And what is this
Representation a copy of the menu so that we can avail of it         program about?
and so that the barangays in our jurisdiction, without potable
water, can avail of the same program?                                    REP. CRISOLOGO. With the NGOs, Mr. Speaker.
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    REP. CAGAS. Hindi ko po marinig, Manong.                          REP. CRISOLOGO. No, Mr. Speaker. They will also
                                                                  have additional personnel.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. With the NGOs, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                      REP. CAGAS. To hire additional personnel.
    REP. CAGAS. The DILG, together with the LGOs.
                                                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, to hire additional personnel,
    REP. CRISOLOGO. NGOs. NGOs, Your Honor.                       500 Fire Officer I for this coming year.

     REP. CAGAS. Yes, all right.                                      REP. CAGAS. Five hundred what—one?
     If the regional director in Region XI is around, hindi ko
siya kilala. Alam po ninyo, distinguished Sponsor, palaging           REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, 500 Fire Officer I.
sinasabi ni Manong Rudy Fariñas na ang mga departments
ay pumupunta rito para humingi ng pera sa Kongreso.                   REP. CAGAS. And those additional 500 personnel will
Unfortunately, iyong regional director ko, hindi ko rin kilala.   be apportioned amongst the different jurisdictions in the
So, para ma-shortcut ho, kung wala man siya rito o nandito,       country?
may I be furnished a copy through our Regional Director the
ratings of the different LGUs in my district, distinguished            REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. It will be
Sponsor.                                                          distributed nationwide.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. As a matter of                REP. CAGAS. Thank you.
fact, the Regional Director is here right now beside me.             A budget of P51.33 million has been allocated for
                                                                  machineries and equipment. Tama ho ba?
    REP. CAGAS. Very good.
                                                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. That is a Capital
   REP. CRISOLOGO. They will supply you with that next            Outlay. It is to procure fire engines and …
Monday, not this Monday.
                                                                       REP. CAGAS. May I know, distinguished Sponsor,
    REP. CAGAS. Oho, sa 26 na.                                    if there will be purchases of fire trucks and similar
                                                                  vehicles?
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes. Later on, the regional director
will meet with you so that, perhaps, you can talk to him              REP. CRISOLOGO. Definitely, Mr. Speaker, because
personally.                                                       our fire trucks are already dilapidated, old and outmoded,
                                                                  and so it will be a priority.
     REP. CAGAS. All right. Let me go now to the budget of
the Bureau of Fire Protection.                                         REP. CAGAS. Alam po ninyo, distinguished Sponsor,
                                                                  honestly, ako po ay naliliitan sa P51.33 million para sa fire
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr.Speaker.                              trucks.

     REP. CAGAS. The proposed budget for the Bureau of                REP. CRISOLOGO. Totoo po iyan.
Fire Protection is P7.76 billion for 2012, which is P498.349
million higher than the 2011 budget. Is this correct,                  REP. CAGAS. May I ask through the chief of the Bureau
distinguished Sponsor?                                            of Fire Protection, let us compare a locally made fire truck
                                                                  vis-a-vis an imported fire truck. Which of the two is feasible
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. In percentage, it          for use in the Philippines?
is 7 percent higher.
                                                                        REP. CRISOLOGO. It really depends, Mr. Speaker, on
     REP. CAGAS. Thank you.                                       the situation and the place. But definitely, the imported ones
     Having read the NEP and the GAB, I saw the proposed          are more expensive and they have more features like, for
expenditures for the Bureau of Fire Protection. It made me        example, tall ladders for tall buildings, which of course we
feel elated, distinguished Sponsor, to note that all expenses     do not need in the provinces because we do not have so many
attributed to Personal Services (PS) have also been increased,    tall buildings there. So, it really depends on the situation, Mr.
particularly and most substantially, that for the operations,     Speaker.
specifically, that for the prevention and suppression of all
destructive fires. Would these increases, distinguished              At this juncture, Deputy Speaker Daza relinquished the
Sponsor, have a direct bearing on increased personnel who         Chair to Deputy Speaker Jesus Crispin C. Remulla.
are skilled for the task at hand?
                                                                       REP. CAGAS. But to be parochial, Mr. Speaker,
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, because part of            distinguished Sponsor, two of the fire trucks found in my
that is also training.                                            province are, in fact, much older than I am. So, may I ask the
                                                                  distinguished Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, with a meager P53
     REP. CAGAS. Is the increase in the said provision merely     million, how many fire trucks can the Bureau of Fire
limited to training, distinguished Sponsor?                       Protection purchase?
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     REP. CRISOLOGO. With that P53 million, how many                  the same item decreased by P12.475 million. Why is this so,
fire trucks? They are planning to purchase around 68 fire             Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor?
trucks this year, Mr. Speaker. But there will be a special
account for that. It comes from the collection of fire code               REP. CRISOLOGO. No, Mr. Speaker, that is for the
fees and...                                                           Bureau of Jail Management and Penology. Before, it used to
                                                                      be P1,831,844,000 and now it increased by P18 million, Mr.
     REP. CAGAS. Fire code fees collection, Mr. Speaker?              Speaker.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes. Right now, Mr. Speaker, there                   REP. CAGAS. Tama, Mr. Speaker.
are some negotiations going on with regards to grants which
will not be within the budget. This will be payable after three           REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, that is for a year, Mr. Speaker.
years where we can get the fire trucks without having any
capital outlay. So, they are negotiating for those things, Mr.              REP. CAGAS. Kaya ko po itinanong iyon, Mr. Speaker,
Speaker, because the Gentleman said our country really does           distinguished Sponsor, kasi BJMP ang pinag-uusapan natin.
not have that much money.                                             Alam po ninyo, paminsan-minsan, napapadalaw ako sa mga
                                                                      kulungan. Hindi naman po sa pambabastos, there are some
     REP. CAGAS. Would the LGUs not be required to give               basic needs needed, particularly sa mga kababaihan. Again,
their counterpart, Mr. Speaker?                                       with all due respect, hindi po ako nambabastos,
                                                                      nangangailangan ang mga nakakulong doon ng napkins during
     REP. CRISOLOGO. If the LGUs will request for it, they            their menstrual period, pati na sabon, toothpaste at toothbrush.
have to give their counterpart. As I said, Mr. Speaker, they          I mean, they are also human beings which also need the care
are still negotiating for it. The way I understand it, payment        of the State, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor. Would it be
will start only after three years, Mr. Speaker.                       fair for this Representation to assume that part of the increase
                                                                      will be allotted to those who are in jail?
    REP. CAGAS. In our province, the provincial fire
marshal has only one fire truck, Mr. Speaker, distinguished                 REP. CRISOLOGO. The practice now, Mr. Speaker, is
Sponsor. Maybe the Bureau of Fire Protection Chief can                that those amenities needed are provided upon being admitted
assess the capability of our fire fighters in the province of         to the jail, but after that, the maintenance will be up to the
Davao del Sur.                                                        respective families of the inmates because the Bureau of Jail
                                                                      Management and Penology really does not have the money
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, the BFP Chief says                  to sustain it.
that he will confer with the Gentleman later on.
                                                                          REP. CAGAS. Paano po kapag wala nang dalaw? Ano
    REP. CAGAS. All right. Salamat, para mas mabilis, Mr.             na ang nangyayari?
Speaker.
                                                                          REP. CRISOLOGO. That is when the Bureau of Jail
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                Management and Penology officials try to work it out with
                                                                      the NGOs who come and visit the prisoners and try to give
     REP. CAGAS. Si Director Ross Dial, Mr. Speaker, cannot           them material things. There are many NGOs working that
be reached po palagi. The proposed 2012 allocation for the            way in our penal system, Mr. Speaker.
bureau is P5.615 billion. Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker ?
                                                                          REP. CAGAS. Salamat naman po kung ganoon. I
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                notice, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, that an
                                                                      allocation for capital outlay for buildings and structures
    REP. CAGAS. This is definitely larger than that of the            outlay, mayroon sa BJMP. Magkano po ito? Hindi naman
2011 budget, hindi ba? In 2011, the BJMP was only allotted            po siguro ganoong kalaki, pero gusto ko lang malaman
P5.151 billion. So, there is a good increase.                         kung para saan ito.

   REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, an increase of                       REP. CRISOLOGO. Sometimes, Mr. Speaker, when the
P464 million or around 9 percent of their former budget.              provincial jail is turned over to the BJMP, they have to
                                                                      construct something or improve their offices because it will
     REP. CAGAS. Tama. The bulk of the budget therein went            now be under their control. So, the BJMP has to have this
to the operations for supervision, security, control over district,   budget so that they will be able to improve those offices that
city and municipal jails. Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker?                    they already have and those jails under their control.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. The increase also                   REP. CAGAS. As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker,
forms part of the additional personnel and also the increase          distinguished Sponsor, it is a good thing that the Chairman of
in salaries under the Salary Standardization Law.                     the Committee on Appropriations is here listening. The
                                                                      allocation is P39.458 million lang, eh baka sa isang opisina
   REP. CAGAS. Take note, Mr. Speaker, distinguished                  lang ito sa isang lugar. Take for example Digos City, when
Sponsor, while that item had been increased by as much as             the service vehicle na sinasakyan ng mga preso ng BJMP
P321 million in the P2.974 billion for 2012, the MOOE for             figured in an accident, wala na pong kapalit. Wala na silang
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kargahan ng preso kaya bumili sila ng multi-cab. Paano na               REP. CAGAS. Under the provision on operations
iyon, Mr. Speaker, multi-cab?                                      concerning investigation, adjudication and payment of claims
                                                                   for sickness, permanent disability and death benefits of PNP
     REP. CRISOLOGO. That is the problem, distinguished            members and that includes pension, the Personal Services
colleague, because this P39 million which was used for the         expenditure has decreased by P22.385 million, Mr. Speaker,
construction is actually not for new jail buildings, and there     distinguished Sponsor. Bakit po ito binabaan? This is
is no allocation for vehicles but just for additional buildings.   important—claims for sickness, disability benefits.

    REP. CAGAS. Sana po maintindihan ninyo, ako po ay                   REP. CRISOLOGO. Actually, Mr. Speaker, this was just
naglalayon lang na makatulong sa BJMP, Mr. Speaker.                returned. It was not used in 2011. So, they decided that it be
                                                                   carried over.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Opo, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. CAGAS. In effect, there is really no decrease, Mr.
     REP. CAGAS. Gusto kong ipakita na wala tayong                 Speaker.
provision for the purchase of vehicles under the BJMP. It is
so hard, for example, if we take it from our PDAF. The menu             REP. CRISOLOGO. No decrease, Mr. Speaker. There is
is very strict.                                                    really no decrease.

      REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, the head of the Bureau               REP. CAGAS. Can the Napolcom, Mr. Speaker, through
of Jail Management and Penology made a proposal, but as            the distinguished Sponsor, give assurance, for example, if a
we all know here in Congress, the different bureaus make           constituent of this Representation, a former police officer,
proposals to the departments, the departments then submit          dies—as his family would claim benefits from the PNP, would
them to the DBM, and the DBM sometimes slash them.                 it be facilitated more efficiently, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
Perhaps, we could ask that from the DBM. According to the          Sponsor?
head of the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, he
made a proposal in his original budget. When it went to the            REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. The agency
DILG, it was also contained in the DILG proposal, but when         assured us they have enough money.
it reached the DBM, I think it was slashed due to the limited
resources of our country.                                               REP. CAGAS. Ito ang nangyayari para malaman ng ating
                                                                   Napolcom. May mga police ngayon na na-integrate, hindi po
     REP. CAGAS. Iyan ang hirap ng nagba-budget, much as           ba? Una ang Philippine Constabulary o PC, tapos naging PC-
we want to put or to add money where it is badly needed, it is     Integrated National Police (INP). Maraming PC na naging
very hard to look for sources of revenues. I hope that in the      police. Kadalasan ang nangyayari, ang mga PC natin ay
future, we can also put some serious thought as far as the         taghirap. Nauubos ang sweldo sa loans. So, when they get
BJMP is concerned, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor.             sick or eventually die, the family would be in dire need to
                                                                   right away collect the pensions of police personnel. Can the
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Perhaps in the future, we can ask             Napolcom, at least, give an assurance to this Representation
the BJMP director that he make it a priority to include vehicles   and to the members of the PNP, especially those PO1s, PO2s,
for the proposed budget for 2013. Like what our distinguished      PO3s and PO4s, that if their loved ones die, if the officer die,
colleague said, I believe that vehicles are important because      the family affected would be able to collect efficiently, in a
the prisoners need it when they go to court or when they are       much quicker pace?
being transported. So, may I also advise the BJMP director
here to prioritize that in his proposed budget next year.               REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. The Chairman of
                                                                   the Napolcom, Secretary Robredo, and the Vice Chairman
    REP. CAGAS. Thank you, Director Ross Dial. Punta ho            assure our distinguished colleague that they will be able to
tayo sa Napolcom.                                                  collect.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                   REP. CAGAS. Salamat po. Iyon lang po ang tanong ko
                                                                   sa Napolcom para mabilis.
   REP. CAGAS. Magkano po ang budget na hinihingi ng                    Sa Public Safety College na po tayo. The college, Mr.
Napolcom sa 2012, distinguished Sponsor?                           Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, has a proposed budget of
                                                                   P1.135 billion for 2012 or an increase amounting to P64.150
    REP. CRISOLOGO. It is P1,332,611,000, Mr. Speaker,             million from the 2011 budget of P1.07 billion.
or an increase of P20,427,000 from last year’s budget of
P1.312 billion.                                                        REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, that is right.

     REP. CAGAS. Actually, among the different offices under           REP. CAGAS. I noticed therein that there is a substantial
the DILG, they have the smallest increase. It is only a two-       increase for the education and training program, under
percent increase, Mr. Speaker. May nakita lang po ako doon         operations, for all classes of expenditures under Personal
sa libro, forgive my asking.                                       Services. Tama po ba ito, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor?

    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
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    REP. CAGAS. This was increased by how much, Mr.                           REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, he is the president, Mr. Speaker.
Speaker?
                                                                           REP. CAGAS. Oo, ang president ng Philippine Public
     REP. CRISOLOGO. It was because of the number of                  Safety College, bisitahin po ninyo ang lugar, kawawa talaga.
recruits that was taken in, so the total increase in the Philippine   Doon po nagre-retraining ang ating mga pulis. This center
Public Safety College is 6 percent, Mr. Speaker.                      caters not only to Region XI but nearby regions as well. So,
                                                                      that training center in Mintal is very vital to the PNP as an
     REP. CAGAS. Translated in figure, there is an increase           institution.
of P42.118 million. The MOOE was increased by P13.885
million.                                                                   REP. CRISOLOGO. The truth of the matter, Mr. Speaker,
                                                                      is that the president of the Philippine Public Safety College,
     REP. CRISOLOGO. That is right, Mr. Speaker.                      who is beside this Representation, just visited the training
                                                                      center last week and he has been asking...
   REP. CAGAS. The Capital Outlay was increased by as
much as P12.22 million.                                                       REP. CAGAS. That is very good, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. The Gentleman is right, Mr.                           REP. CRISOLOGO. He has seen the situation and has
Speaker.                                                              been requesting for repairs, but apparently, he is waiting for
                                                                      some funds to be released, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. CAGAS. I also noticed, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
Sponsor, hindi increase pero decrease naman for research                  REP. CAGAS. In fact, Mr. Speaker, I have pictures in
and development under the support to operations for both PS           my office. Na-picture-ran ko iyong kawawang eskuwelahan
and MOOE amounting to P2.31 million and P24.094 million               doon sa Mintal.
respectively. Concerned lang ako kasi Philippine Public Safety
College ito, bakit po nagkaroon ng decrease?                                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. The truth of the matter, Mr. Speaker,                REP. CAGAS. Sana po ay pagtuunan ninyo ng pansin
is that the president of the Philippine Public Safety College         at mabait naman po si Sr. Supt. Dampal. Mabait naman po
has asked for an increase. In his proposed budget to the DILG,        iyon.
it was approved by the department, but then again, when it
reached the DBM, Mr. Speaker, it was slashed…                                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. CAGAS. Kawawa naman.                                             REP. CAGAS. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Lastly,
                                                                      distinguished Sponsor, I would like to go now to the budget
     REP. CRISOLOGO. …because the DBM is the one                      of the Philippine National Police itself.
gathering all of the data on how much money we can spend
in the different departments.                                                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Ano po iyon, Mr. Speaker?

     REP. CAGAS. Anyway, I asked this because in Region                       REP. CAGAS. Ang sabi ko po salamat kay President
XI, we have a training center in Mintal. I do not know if the         at...
Regional Director for Region XI is around. Is General
Morente around? Nandito po ba si General Morente or is he                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Maraming salamat din ho. Thank
not required to come anymore? Is he not here, Mr. Speaker?            you very much. I am sure that your interpellation has also
                                                                      opened the eyes of our different offices and that they know
    REP. CRISOLOGO. The Training Director now is Senior               that we, here in Congress, are aware of their situation.
Superintendent Dampal, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                           REP. CAGAS. Thank you. I just want that our President
     REP. CAGAS. Who, Cacdac?                                         would be aware of the situation in the training center in Mintal.
                                                                      I hope that later on, once the funds arrive, we should put
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Dampal, Mr. Speaker.                             attention also to the training center in Mintal.

     REP. CAGAS. Dampal is here, Mr. Speaker?                              REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the President has
                                                                      said that he just went there last week and he is really trying to
    REP. CRISOLOGO. He is not here right now, Mr.                     find some funds for that.
Speaker.
                                                                              REP. CAGAS. All right. Thank you very much.
     REP. CAGAS. I have visited his training center and it is                 Now, we go to the PNP itself, distinguished Sponsor.
where our present police personnel retrain, Mr. Speaker,
distinguished Sponsor. I have observed that their facilities                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
too are almost dilapidated. If the Gentleman beside our
distinguished colleague would visit the training center in                REP. CAGAS. The PNP has a proposed budget of
Mintal, …                                                             P73.652 billion for 2012. Is that correct, Mr. Speaker?
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    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                          competition sa Mindanao. The SWAT teams in Davao del
                                                               Sur and Digos City placed first, second and third, respectively.
     REP. CAGAS. Masaya ako kasi nagkaroon ng increase         Ang problema ho, distinguished Sponsor, iyong mga gamit
ang ating kapulisan by as much as P4.215 billion as compared   nila na M-4 ay kay Col. Dela Rosa ho lahat iyon. Eh tapos na
to the P69.437 billion in 2011.                                ho iyong term niya. Ngayon, our SWAT personnel do not
                                                               even have M-4s or baby armalites to use in their operations.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                          It was a good thing that Col. Ronald M. Dela Rosa has a
                                                               classmate in the Supply Department and gave our SWAT new
     REP. CAGAS. All expenditures therein had minimal to       issues of 9 mm pistols, but they do not have M-4s and armalites
moderate increases except for Personal Services—for their      to use. Sayang naman iyong skills ng mga police. Minsan
general administrative and support services (GASS)—which       lang iyon, isang probinsiya, first, second and third place,
had an increase of P3.141 billion. Ang total po ng amount na   distinguished Sponsor.
ito ay P17.220 billion. May this Representation be given an
explaination as to why was there such a substantial increase        REP. CRISOLOGO. It is now in the process for
as far as the GASS is concerned, Mr. Speaker.                  procurement and our new PNP Chief, General Bartolome,
                                                               said that he will supply kasi sayang rin lang ang training nila.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, is that GSIS you said?
                                                                   REP. CAGAS. Sayang talaga.
   REP. CAGAS. No, GASS, General Administrative and
Support Services. G-A-S-S, hindi ho GSIS.                          REP. CRISOLOGO. I think it is in Digos, Mr. Speaker?

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Will you allow me a few seconds                 REP. CAGAS. Governor Cagas was very supportive of
to look at the records, Mr. Speaker. The huge increase is      all the SWAT teams and …
because of the pension, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                   REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. They will …
    REP. CAGAS. Pakilinaw lang po.
                                                                   REP. CAGAS. We spent for the training. Kaso lang we
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Your question was why the huge            cannot afford to buy new gadgets or new guns for our SWAT
increase?                                                      teams. So, may I be given the assurance, through the new
                                                               PNP Chief, that they are …
     REP. CAGAS. Yes. Why was there a substantial increase
in the GASS, G-A-S-S?                                              REP. CRISOLOGO. The new PNP Chief assures the
                                                               Gentleman that they will provide the support to replace those
     REP. CRISOLOGO. The huge increase in the program          materials that are needed in that region and in that place, Mr.
is due to of the pension of the PNP pensioners amounting to    Speaker.
P3 billion.
                                                                   REP. CAGAS. Thank you, distinguished Sponsor.
    REP. CAGAS. Salamat po. Ang katunayan po, alam ko              Like Cong. Rufus Rodriguez, this Representaton
po na sa pensyon talaga ang increase eh. Gusto ko lang ho na   would later on join a motion to approve the budget of the
manggaling sa inyo na nagkaroon ng increase para sa mga        PNP and would leave a challenge to the new PNP Chief.
pensyon na maaaring ibigay sa ating mga personnel.             Last month, you lost to Team Congress. Ikaw na ngayon
                                                               ang PNP Chief, kaya dapat may rematch na tayo. Pwede
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Opo, Mr. Speaker.                          ho ba iyon, General Bartolome, Sir? Pwede ba iyong
                                                               rematch?
     REP. CAGAS. Kasi importanteng-importante rin iyan
sa ating kapulisan. So, ang Representasyong ito ay talagang         REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
nagagalak at pinagbigyan na ituon iyon sa mga pensions ng           Thank you very much also to the Gentleman for his
would-be retirees.                                             interpellation.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                              REP. CAGAS. Thank you very much, honorable Deputy
                                                               Speaker Boy Remulla and distinguished Sponsor Bingbong
    REP. CAGAS. Last na ho ito, huwag kang mag-alala,          Crisologo.
Manong Bingbong, on a more parochial concern naman. I
am proud that our former Provincial Director, Ronald dela         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.
Rosa, was awarded as the best provincial director. Tama ba     Majority Leader is recognized.
iyon, Mr. Speaker?
                                                                   REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                          recognize the Lady from the Second District of Cavite, the
                                                               Hon. Lani Mercado-Revilla, for her interpellation.
     REP. CAGAS. That is why it is both with pride and
sorrow, masaya at nakalulungkot, for me to inform this Body       THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
that in a recently held competition—nagkaroon ho ng SWAT       Honorable Mercado-Revilla is recognized.
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     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Thank you very much, Mr.                     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Ako po ay lubusang
Speaker. Thank you very much, Mr. Sponsor.                         nalulungkot patungkol dito because I understand that one of
     Magandang hapon po sa inyo at ganoon din po sa PNP            the principles of the BJMP is to rehabilitate the prisoners in
at sa DILG family.                                                 our jails. How can we possibly rehabilitate our prisoners if
     Konting katanungan lang po dahil nasagot naman po             they are hungry, if they are not in their right minds, because
ninyo halos lahat ang mga katanungang ibinigay ng aking            their stomachs are growling for food? Isa lang po ito sa mga
kaibigan na si Cong. Marc Cagas. Konting reiteration lamang        mungkahi natin na sana ay mabigyang pansin po ng ating
po sa mga ilang aspeto.                                            departamento at sana ay mabigyang pansin dahil baka
     Patungkol po sa Office of the Secretary, I was intrigued      magkaroon pa ng problema later on with regard to the
actually by the appropriations for a new project, the provisions   sustenance of our prisoners.
for potable water supply. It is indicated in the NEP that you
have allocated P1.5 billion. I noticed also that you have funds         REP. CRISOLOGO. Nagbibigay naman ho sila ng pansin
allocated for Region IV-A in the amount P189 million. Gusto        and they are trying their best to cope up with their meager
ko lamang pong malaman kung sa P189 million po ba ay               resources, that is why they are using their friendship and
mayroong biyayang potable water supply na pwedeng                  connections with the NGOs who are going there. Sometimes,
maibigay sa kalalawigan ko, higit sa lahat sa aking                they ask for subsidy from the local government in which they
munisipalidad ng bayan ng Bacoor.                                  are located. So, with their meager resources, they are really
                                                                   trying their best in order to supplement what is lacking for
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Meron naman po. However, as we                the welfare of their prisoners, Mr. Speaker.
said, they will have to apply and they will have to qualify.
Kailangan pong may criteria ang pinagbibigyan ninyo, iyong              REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Thank you very much, Mr.
talagang waterless po.                                             Sponsor, for that answer. What is the ratio of jail officers to
     The Secretary has promised us that he will give all the       prisoners as of the moment?
Members of this House the criteria for these waterless
communities, so if we have towns, cities or barangays in our            REP. CRISOLOGO. In custodial, as of this moment, it
districts which are eligible, we can apply for it, Mr. Speaker.    is 1:43.

    REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Thank you very much, Mr.                     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. 1:43.
Sponsor. We will be waiting for those guidelines, so our
constituents in my municipality would be highly grateful if             REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes. The ideal ratio, from the point
we are qualified in this specific program.                         of view of the director of the BJMP, should be 1:7. But again,
                                                                   due to circumstances, because of our budgetary constraints,
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                             we have fallen short, so it is 1:43, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Isang katanungan po para                     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. I have noticed in the NEP,
sa Bureau of Jail Management and Penology. I understand            Mr. Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, that there are unused appropriations
that in the NEP, there is a budget of P5.615 billion for this      amounting to P511 million last 2010, and now 2011. What is
particular office or department. How much per day is the           the reason for these unused appropriations? Can these unused
subsistence allowance given to our prisoners for meals?            appropriations be used for the lack of personnel in our jails
                                                                   and probably for additional salaries or allowances of these
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, P50 is given as a subsidy per            people?
day per inmate, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                        REP. CRISOLOGO. The reason they were not used
    REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Is the P50 subsistence                   is that they were not released by the DBM. As to your
allowance for three meals po ba ito?                               question whether we can still use them, yes, we can still
                                                                   use them. They are going to try to utilize them, Mr.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                             Speaker.

     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. For three meals? Is it                      REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Yes. I am very much
sufficient enough? I would like to find out the number of          concerned with the status of our jails, Mr. Sponsor. Marami
prisoners to date, Mr. Sponsor.                                    pa rin sa atin ang kulang ang espasyo para sa ating mga
                                                                   nakakulong. Minsan, ang mga kababaihan ay alam nating
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, the director of the BJMP                kailangang ihiwalay sa mga kalalakihan, pero karaniwan,
believes that it is not sufficient, Mr. Speaker, and much as he    dahil nagsisiksikan na sila, sometimes they do not have
would like to ask for a higher subsidy for the inmates, as we      any choice but to augment the space possible, most
said, he has proposed a higher one and the DILG has approved       especially in our municipal jail in the municipality of
it. But again, when it came to the DBM—because the DBM             Bacoor.
has to balance the budgets of the different departments in
accordance with the income of the country—they slashed it.              REP. CRISOLOGO. There are still some jails controlled
The DBM has to slash some proposals of the different               by the municipalities and the cities, but in the jails which are
departments. One of those which was slashed was this budget        already under the control of the BJMP, definitely, the men
of the BJMP.                                                       and the women are separate.
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     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Thank you very much for                     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. But can they still be
your concern, Mr. Sponsor.                                        utilized for the year?
     Another question is with regard to the Local Government
Academy, Mr. Sponsor. The proposed appropriation for 2012             REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. I think if it is a
in the amount of P85.133 million is lower by P15 million          congressional initiative, there is a life span of two years, Mr.
than the current year level of P105.106 million. I just want to   Speaker, for those that are in the GAA.
find out what are the activities that affected this reduction?
                                                                       REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. I am just looking through
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, the reason is that when the            my papers, and I have always encountered unused
barangay officials were newly elected, there was a training,      appropriations in the different departments of the DILG and
but this year, there will be no training because the barangay     the different offices. I would just like to appeal to the
officials last year are still the same barangay officials this    distinguished Sponsor, most probably, this government would
year. The budget of the local Government Academy was              utilize the said funds for additional people, most especially
decreased because the training aspect for new barangay            to our policemen, to the members of the fire department,
officials has been excluded, Mr. Speaker.                         because truly, we need additional men on the floor with regard
                                                                  to the protection of our constituents. Sana ay mabigyan po
     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. What is the effectiveness              ng konsiderasyon at mabigyan po ng resonableng aksyon itong
of the trainings being conducted in the academy? Will the         mga unused appropriations na ito dahil sayang naman ang
lowering of the budget not affect the trainings that we are       mga pinag-uusapan natin dito, dine-defend ninyo ang inyong
conducting despite the statement that you have just               budget. At napakalaking halaga po ang nakalagay sa unused
mentioned?                                                        appropriations. Sayang naman ang panahon na ginugugol
                                                                  natin para rito.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. No. It will not lower the quality of
the training, Mr. Speaker, because this training which was             REP. CRISOLOGO. Definitely, Mr. Speaker, the
done when they were first elected would be the same training      Secretary has committed that they will try to use the unused
that they would give, if they were new barangay officials.        appropriations. However, sometimes, it depends also on the
But since they are already old, more than one year, they cannot   availability of funds from the DBM. The reason they are not
be trained with the same training again. So, that is the reason   being released by the DBM is that there is no available fund.
the budget was decreased, Mr. Speaker.                            So, again, it will depend upon the DBM, Mr. Speaker, and
                                                                  the availability of funds.
     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Thank you very much, Mr.
Sponsor, Mr. Speaker. Let me go now to the budget of the               REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Thank you very much, Mr.
Philippine Public Safety College.                                 Speaker, distinguished Sponsor for the time allotted to this
                                                                  Representation. I definitely will support the budgets allocated
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                             for the said office.
                                                                       Marami pong salamat, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. Can you give an
assessment of the outcome of the training program? How                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much, distinguished
many uniformed personnel are trained annually?                    colleague.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. There is an average of 24,000 in all              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Floor
courses, Mr. Speaker.                                             Leader is recognized.

     REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. So far, how are they                       REP. TUGNA. Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the Hon.
assessed? Are the uniformed personnel qualified after the         Neri Colmenares for his interpellation.
training? Do they meet the standards of the Philippine Public
Safety College?                                                      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
                                                                  Honorable Colmenares is recognized.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, definitely, Mr. Speaker,
because they will not be graduating if they were not                   REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank
qualified. The Philippine Public Safety College, according        you, distinguished Sponsor.
to the President, will not let them pass if they are not               I am glad that the distinguished Sponsor would be happy
qualified.                                                        to explain the budget and be open to a few questions.

    REP. MERCADO-REVILLA. I have noticed that there                   REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
are again unused appropriations in 2010 and 2011, in the
amount of P14 million. Could you please explain once again             REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,
these unused appropriations?                                      distinguished Sponsor.
                                                                       My first question would relate to the Malampaya funds.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, the reason for those unused            I was really surprised that P115 billion na po pala ang
appropriations is that they were not released. They were not      nakolekta sa Malampaya funds, pero parang hindi po
released that is why they were not utilized.                      nararamdaman ng taumbayan ang funds na ito. So, I am really
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going into the details of how these funds were disbursed.             cannot—do I get it to mean that this cannot be explained as
     Along the way, we noticed certain SAROs. I came upon             of now?
certain information about certain disbursements with regard
to the Malampaya funds that went into the DILG-PNP, Mr.                    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Speaker.
     May we have the USB slide please.                                    REP. COLMENARES. I mean, the reason is clear, Mr.
     The question I would pose for now, at least, Mr. Speaker,        Speaker.
is regarding the large amounts of SARO issued to the PNP. If
we will notice, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, there was             REP. CRISOLOGO. We do not know that, Mr. Speaker,
this SARO No. D-0908074 that ostensibly came from the                 because the present officials were not the officials at that time
Malampaya funds to the DILG in the amount of P1.6 billion,            when the transactions were made.
and that is a very huge amount. The second SARO No. D-09-
08965 amounted to P540 million. May we inquire, Mr.                        REP. COLMENARES. But what is clear is, that this was
Speaker, where the first SARO of P1.6 billion was spent or            intended supposedly for the disaster preparedness program
why was it in fact given from the Malampaya funds to the              of the PNP.
DILG-PNP, Mr. Speaker?
                                                                           REP. CRISOLOGO. The Secretary said that he would
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, the reason was that it              also initiate an investigation on this and see if there is anything
was authorized based on the approval of the President, per            wrong with the transaction, and he will even make a report to
letter dated October 13, 2009, of then Exec. Sec. Eduardo             this House, Mr. Speaker, on the results of his investigation.
Ermita. Now, the purpose of the P1.6 billion that was used
was to augment the operational and logistical requirements                 REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,
in the search, retrieval, rescue, relief and rehabilitation efforts   distinguished Sponsor. I actually want to immediately call
in areas affected by calamities nationwide.                           for investigation on these funds, considering that it was
                                                                      released on 2009, the eve of the election year.
     REP. COLMENARES. Just a clarification, Mr. Speaker,
this was based on a letter by the President then?                          REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. This was based on the approval of                     REP. COLMENARES. We must really know how the
the President, per letter dated October 13, 2009, of Exec.            funds were spent. May we know, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
Sec. Eduardo Ermita, Mr. Speaker.                                     Sponsor, about the next SARO No. 0908965 amounting to
                                                                      P540 million?
     REP. COLMENARES. Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker,
distinguished Sponsor. So, on October 13, 2009, then Pres.                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Again, Mr. Speaker, it was based
Gloria Arroyo approved the transfer of funds from Malampaya           on the approval of the President, per letter dated October 13,
to the PNP. Is this the first time that the funds from Malampaya      2009 of Exec. Sec. Eduardo Ermita. The purpose was to
were transferred to the PNP?                                          enable the Philippine National Police to respond immediately
                                                                      to emergencies in times of natural calamities. It was to be
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. That was the first              used for preventive measures, Mr. Speaker.
time.
                                                                           REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,
    REP. COLMENARES. This was intended for disaster                   distinguished Sponsor. Such a very broad and amorphous
preparedness of the PNP, Mr. Speaker.                                 generality, but it is worth more than P2 billion coming from
                                                                      the Malampaya funds. I am glad that the Secretary is willing
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                and open to my call that we investigate this huge amount of
                                                                      fund transfers during this time to the PNP.
     REP. COLMENARES. May I inquire what is the
relationship of the PNP, I mean, one would expect that it would            REP. CRISOLOGO. Definitely, Mr. Speaker, because
go to the disaster agencies or the DSWD, but the P1.6 billion         as we know, this government is, as the President said, “tungo
went to the PNP, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor. So,              sa tuwid na daan.” That is what they are doing right now in
may we know how come the PNP dipped its fingers into the              all departments.
disaster preparedness program of the government coming
from the Malampaya funds, Mr. Speaker?                                    REP. COLMENARES. Maraming salamat po. Sabi ko
                                                                      nga, hindi nararamdaman ng mamamayan ang Malampaya
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, we will have               fund na malaki na pala sa halagang P115 billion in the last
to ask the officials who were incumbents at that time, because        eight to 10 years. Pero may malalaki palang pondo na hindi
this was in the year 2009, and we really do not know the              pa ma-explain hanggang ngayon, 2011 na po at 2009 pa ito.
reason the DBM released it to them. Perhaps, this could be                May I raise another issue, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
the subject of an inquiry, Mr. Speaker.                               Sponsor, in the case of a general in the PNP. According to the
                                                                      resolution, his name is His Royal Highness Sultan Cipriano
   REP. COLMENARES. Thank you for the honesty, Mr.                    Querol, Regional Director of Region VI. General Querol
Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, about the fact that it                recommended the removal of the supervision and control of
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a mayor in Negros, Mayor Melecio Yap, of the local PNP, on          General for him to explain his basis for recommending such
the ground that he supports the CPP-NPA, mentioning therein         to the DILG Secretary.
in his recommendation another organization called the
Northern Negros Alliance of Human Rights Advocates, and                  REP. CRISOLOGO. The Secretary has assured us, and
even mentioned by name the head of such human rights                he is assuring the Gentleman, that such meeting is going to
organization, Bernardino Toto Patigas, as the basis of his          materialize.
recommendation for alleging that the mayor is supportive of
the NPA in his area.                                                    REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
     The danger I would like to pose here is that, if the general
has no evidence at all, his report may ultimately go out to the          REP. CRISOLOGO. He will meet with General Querol
media. Extra-judicial killings happen after a person has been       and make sure that such meeting with the Provincial Board
publicly identified as a member of the NPA. Kaya very               will materialize, Mr. Speaker.
judicious dapat ang pag-mention ng Heneral natin sa mga
ganitong tipong mga alegasyon.                                           REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,
     May we know, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, if            distinguished Sponsor. May we just get a commitment that if
the PNP has already produced evidence against the Northern          General Querol has no evidence against this people, then he
Negros Alliance of Human Rights or NNAHRA and Toto                  will withdraw his report or recommendation on that matter,
Patigas, considering that the NNAHRA is a well-respected            Mr. Speaker.
human rights organization in Negros. I am sure if they
criticized the PNP, that should be for human rights abuses or           REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
any other abuses. That should not be the reason, Mr. Speaker,
distinguished Sponsor, na idamay pa ang pangalan ng                     REP. COLMENARES. Thank you for that commitment,
organisasyong ito sa paglista nito. May we know if there is         Mr. Speaker.
evidence against NNAHRA in this case.
                                                                        REP. CRISOLOGO. It is the commitment of the
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, the Vice Chairman has             Secretary, Mr. Speaker.
talked with General Querol and he has denied that he made
an allegation that it was a front of the communist party. He            REP. COLMENARES. One last question on this matter,
did not say that in his report, and there was no such report,       Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker.
                                                                        REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. COLMENARES. Thank you po. I am going to read
the resolution of the DILG and quote therein a portion of it:            REP. COLMENARES. A certain person in the name
                                                                    of Lionel Librado has been issued with a warrant of arrest
         His Excellency, His Royal Highness, Police Chief           by the court in Guihulngan, Negros Oriental. However,
    Superintendent Querol reported that Mayor Melecio               the PNP, I was informed, refused to serve the warrant on
    Yap, indeed, has close association with the local               him because he was staying in the 11th Infantry Battalion
    communist group before he assumed his position as               in Guihulngan. However, he goes around in various court
    City Mayor of Escalante City, Negros Occidental.                cases testifying openly against members of human rights
                                                                    groups in Negros. Despite his open testimony in these
     As a manifestation of this tactical alliance with the          courts, Mr. Lionel Librado was not arrested by the
Northern Negros Alliance of Human Rights Advocates, and             authorities in Negros.
as a long time friend of Toto Patigas of NNAHRA, Yap                     So, may I ask if this is the policy of the PNP not to
himself provides financial and logistical support to said human     facilitate the arrest of a person with an official warrant of
rights groups many years ago. Accordingly, Mayor Yap gave           arrest, the copy of which I will provide the Gentleman,
KG-99, AR-15, assault rifles to the NPA, et cetera. As for          because he stays or is protected by the Philippine Army, for
me, when I read this, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor,           that matter.
there is already an allegation by General Querol that
NNAHRA is, in fact, an NPA group.                                        REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, that is not the policy
                                                                    of the PNP. As a matter of fact, with the new administration
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Gentleman              of the PNP under General Bartolome, it is now a policy to
does not like this to be on record, but again, I think the          make sure that all warrants of arrest will be served. They are
Secretary has committed to the Gentleman that they will             very thankful, Mr. Speaker, that the Gentleman brought this
reinvestigate and change the report.                                out because the PNP will confer later on with the Gentleman
                                                                    to get the name and they will immediately order the arrest or
     REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,                       serve the arrest warrant, Mr. Speaker.
distinguished Sponsor, because I was there yesterday; the
provincial board of Negros actually set a meeting with General           REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,
Querol a few weeks ago, and the meeting was supposed to             distinguished Sponsor, General Bartolome.
happen yesterday. I was just informed a few minutes ago that
he snobbed the Provincial Board of Negros Occidental. He                REP. CRISOLOGO. They will just get the name from
did not attend what would have been a dialogue with the             the Gentleman later on, Mr. Speaker.
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    At this juncture, Deputy Speaker Remulla relinquished         District of Bohol, Hon. Erico Aumentado, for his
the Chair to Rep. Mar-Len Abigail S. Binay.                       interpellation.

    REP. COLMENARES. I will submit the copy of the                    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Hon.
warrant of arrest, Mr. Speaker.                                   Erico Aumentado is recognized.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. That is the main               REP. AUMENTADO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
program of the new PNP Chief, Mr. Speaker.                           May I know if the distinguished Sponsor would yield to
                                                                  some interpellations?
     REP. COLMENARES. Thank you, distinguished
Sponsor, Mr. Speaker. I would expect that the commitments              REP. CRISOLOGO. With pleasure, Mr. Speaker.
will be followed and if I may also be given a copy of the
information on the investigation of billions of pesos                  REP. AUMENTADO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
transferred from the Malampaya fund to the PNP.                        To begin with, I have a very healthy respect for Secretary
                                                                  Jesse Robredo because he is a Ramon Magsaysay awardee
   At this juncture Rep. Binay relinquished the Chair to          and a fellow awardee of Germany’s Konrad Adenauer
Deputy Speaker Jesus Crispin C. Remulla.                          Medallion award, together with Cong. Mel Senen Sarmiento
                                                                  of Calbayog and this Representation, in our capacities as LGU
   REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the Secretary                chief executives. But, Mr. Speaker, I was disturbed, which
Robredo has committed to us.                                      led this Representation to stand and interpellate on the budget
                                                                  of the Department of Interior and Local Government, because
     REP. COLMENARES. Otherwise, we will also be calling          of an unsavory commentary in the column of Mr. Neal Cruz,
for an investigation here in the House if we are not satisfied    entitled: “Next, Imported Reconditioned Fire Trucks,” which
with that investigation.                                          was published on the September 9, 2011 issue of the
                                                                  Philippine Daily Inquirer.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                 Mr. Speaker, would the dynamic Secretary of the
                                                                  DILG respond to the allegations of Mr. Cruz which, if
   REP. COLMENARES. Before I end, I just would like to            true, would be a deviation from the President’s mantra
make a parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.                        “Kung Walang Corrupt, Walang Mahirap.” I am sure the
                                                                  good Secretary can explain and should be given a day in
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The                         court. Unfortunately, I have not read in the subsequent
Gentleman will please proceed.                                    issues of the column, “As I See It,” of Mr. Neal Cruz.
                                                                  Mr. Speaker, will the good Secretary confirm that
     REP. COLMENARES. Mr. Speaker, with regard to our             supposedly he favors the importation from Austria of fire
schedule, tomorrow supposedly is the last day of our              trucks which would cost about P20 million per fire truck
deliberations on the budget. Will there be a votation tomorrow,   as against the P9 million per fire truck which the local
Mr. Speaker, on the budget?                                       manufacturers could provide. May we know the response,
                                                                  Mr. Speaker.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Assuming
that there is a quorum, we will vote by ayes and nays.                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

   REP. COLMENARES. So, there will be a votation                       REP. AUMENTADO. So, the public can be enlightened.
tomorrow after the period of amendments, Mr. Speaker?
                                                                         REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). If we are                        First of all, may I answer your question, distinguished
able to terminate the debate on all the agencies concerned.       colleague, as to why you have not heard yet from the Secretary
                                                                  of the DILG with regard to the column of Mr. Neal Cruz.
    REP. COLMENARES. Okay. So, we expect that votation            Actually, the Secretary has answered Mr. Neal Cruz as to his
tomorrow then.                                                    allegations in his column. But apparently, it was not published,
    Thank you, distinguished Sponsor, Mr. Speaker. Thank          Mr. Speaker.
you to the DILG family for such a commitment.                            We also took this up during the pre-plenary hearing. But,
                                                                  to make it short, let me explain that, first of all, the price of P20
     REP. CRISOLOGO. May I ask our distinguished                  million per truck is not true. The price is only P7 million
colleague to confer with the new PNP Chief, so that they can      compared to P8 million locally manufactured fire truck because
get a copy of the warrant of arrest.                              it is a grant. In this grant, before we pay it, we have three years
     Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.                            to use it. So, there will be no actual output of money on the
                                                                  part of the Philippine government because this is a grant from
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.                    Austria, and it was done by Austria in order to support also
Majority Leader is recognized.                                    their own businesses which are building fire trucks.
                                                                         So, actually, this is good for our country because it is
    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                   imported and it is cheap. It is a grant and it will only be paid
recognize the distinguished Gentleman from the Second             after three years, Mr. Speaker.
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    REP. AUMENTADO. Thank you for that answer.                            REP. AUMENTADO. Your know, Mr. Speaker, I raised
                                                                     that point because according to Mr. Cruz, the Arroyo
    REP. CRISOLOGO. I will provide you a copy of this,               administration even rejected this offer of the Austrian
Mr. Speaker.                                                         government, because of the lack of a guarantee for spare parts
                                                                     and a service center, unlike the fire trucks being provided by
     REP. AUMENTADO. I would appreciate that. We would               the local fire truck manufacturers in the country.
go to the area on a grant, under the official development
assistance (ODA) from the Austrian government.                             REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, it is not true that the
                                                                     Arroyo government rejected it. What they just did was that
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. That is why it                they deferred the acquisition because the Arroyo government
will go through the NEDA and other government agencies.              was already fading out for the new administration to come
                                                                     in. It was only deferred, but it was not rejected by the previous
      REP. AUMENTADO. What about the allegation of Mr.               government.
Cruz that the importation from Austria of these Rosenbauer
fire trucks was not approved by the Bureau of Fire Department            REP. AUMENTADO. Again, that is included in the
and by the NEDA. Is that properly responded to in the                response of the good Secretary.
explanation of the good Secretary which I would request for
a copy?                                                                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, it is.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                   REP. AUMENTADO. That is a welcome news to me,
     That is not true because it was recommended by the              because, personally, I would not like the image of the good
Bureau of Fire, and second, actually, it was not disapproved         Secretary to be tarnished since he is an outstanding public
by the NEDA, but it is pending in the NEDA. It took a long           servant worthy of emulation by the local leaders.
time and a long study before the NEDA could approve it.                  Now, Mr. Speaker, may I be allowed to go to another
But, definitely, the NEDA did not disapprove it, Mr. Speaker.        point.

     REP. AUMENTADO. You know, being the author of the                   REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
ODA Act in the past Congress, I know that ODA-funded loans
or grants, as in the case of the Rosenbauer fire trucks, if at all       REP. AUMENTADO. May I know if the Philippine
that is really a grant given by the Austrian government, the         Public Safety College is similar or synonymous to the PNP
Executive agreement becomes the law on the matter, not               Academy?
Republic Act No. 9184. I would be happy if that matter could
be ventilated in the response of the good Secretary.                     REP. CRISOLOGO. No, Mr. Speaker, it is different.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. I think we will                   REP. AUMENTADO. They are different entities under
be giving you a copy. You have a copy already. It was handed         the DILG?
to you as the response of the Secretary on the entire situation
of these fire trucks coming from Austria.                                REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. AUMENTADO. Okay. There is one other                             REP. AUMENTADO. Now, what is the budget for the
disturbing allegation that if this alleged grant from the Austrian   PNPA for 2012? I am raising this point, Mr. Speaker, because
government could be followed, and even assuming, for the             I read in the newspapers the statement of the outgoing or
sake of argument, that the fire truck would cost only P7 million     former PNP Dir. Gen. Bacalzo, to the effect that the PMA
each, there is an allegation that there is no guarantee of the       graduates, who are now lording it over the PNP officialdom,
availability of spare parts and service centers to handle the        would soon become a vanishing tribe because of the
post sales or delivery of this fire truck. Is that included in the   emergence of the PNPA graduates to man the ramparts of
written response of the good Secretary, Mr. Speaker?                 the Philippine National Police as the leading institution in
                                                                     the fight against criminality, and maintenance of peace and
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, there is a guarantee of spare             order.
parts. The truth of the matter is, the same brand of trucks
which we bought 30 years before, are the ones working now,                REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, the PNPA is actually
Mr. Speaker. So, there is no problem with the service,               under the Philippine Public Safety College. That is why, the
according to the Chief of the Bureau of Fire Department.             budget of the PNPA is already included in the budget of the
They have already spoken with the manufacturers, and there           Philippine Public Safety College.
will be no problem with the parts, in case one unit breaks
down. It is part of the service contract which goes with the             REP. AUMENTADO. With this meager amount of a little
P7 million.                                                          over P1 billion, the PNPA is included?

    REP. AUMENTADO. You know, I am raising this point...                  REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, but again, in their
                                                                     original proposal which was submitted to the DILG, it was a
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Including the spare parts, Mr.                   higher amount. The DILG submitted it also to the DBM, but
Speaker.                                                             again, as we said, the DBM is the one which calculates
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because our country has limited resources, so they really have       as regional police officer directors in the country because
to trim down on the different departments.                           these are the direct commanders of your officers in the
                                                                     countryside.
     REP. AUMENTADO. Then under that situation where
there is clear lack of resources for our PNPA and the Philippine           REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, they have
Public Safety College, what is the contingency measure               qualifications for the promotion. First is the time-in grade,
undertaken by the DILG?                                              and then the qualifications, and then the schooling, and then
                                                                     eligibilities. I think, there is a board which acts on the
     REP. CRISOLOGO. The DILG has tried to give more                 promotions and even in the assignments, Mr. Speaker. There
resources, but as I said, the DBM is the one which determines        is a board that acts on it and the PNP Chief puts the proposal
what they submit to Congress, and we can only act on what            there if there is a vacancy; this board then recommends the
the DBM submits to us. We cannot go above what the DBM               promotion and/or the assignment to a position.
has submitted to us. And so, the DILG is trying to supplement
whatever lack in resources from the places where they could               REP. AUMENTADO. Do you consider seniority as part
supplement it, Mr. Speaker.                                          of the standard qualification?

     REP. AUMENTADO. This Representation would have                       REP. CRISOLOGO. Definitely, Mr. Speaker, seniority
wished, Mr. Speaker and Mr. Sponsor, for a more definitive           is a zone of consideration.
and specific contingency measure in the light of the paucity
of resources supporting the PNPA and the Philippine Public               REP. AUMENTADO. May I know also if a senior
Safety College, as the institutions that are being expected to       PNP official who has good records, who has good
raise the level of commanders of the Philippine National             performance, and with appropriate qualification has a
Police in the light of the pronouncement of former Dir. Gen.         better chance of being assigned to a particular regional
Bacalzo.                                                             command than one who has been on a floating status for
                                                                     one reason or another.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Actually, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
colleague, out of the P1.13 billion allocated to the Philippine           REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, again, Mr. Speaker, it depends.
Public Safety College, 40.53 percent is allocated to the PNPA.       He may be a senior or he may be more junior, but again, as
So, more or less, a little less than one-half which is around        we said, the time-in grade and the qualifications are very
P463 million, is allocated to the Philippine National Police         important, the schooling also. Those are what will qualify
Academy.                                                             them. Of course, as we said, seniority is a zone of
     So, we see here that the concern is also there, so that         consideration, but they have to fit in with the position also.
they can have the proper budget to use for their training.           So, those are the considerations that are being undertaken,
                                                                     that is why, sometimes, fewer junior officials are being
     REP. AUMENTADO. I was informed, Mr. Speaker, that               promoted to the position instead of senior officials because
the PNPA will be transferred. I do not know if it was already        of the qualifications that they hold.
transferred to Cavite. Is it true that it will be transferred from
its present site to Cavite?                                               REP. AUMENTADO. In that light, can the good
                                                                     Sponsor provide this Representation with the standard
     REP. CRISOLOGO. No, Mr. Speaker, the PNPA is                    qualifications in the selection process for the promotion of
already in Silang, Cavite.                                           officials of the PNP?

     REP. AUMENTADO. In the budget, under the Philippine                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. After this
Public Safety College, I have noticed that the budget for            interpellation, the PNP Chief, General Bartolome, has
construction outlay is only P18,700,000. Is this intended for        committed that he will supply you these qualifications.
the PNPA?
                                                                        REP. AUMENTADO. I would appreciate that, Mr.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. Actually, they                 Sponsor and Mr. Speaker.
proposed a higher budget and this is intended for the National
Police College, for the buildings.                                       REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. AUMENTADO. Okay, thank you for that                             REP. AUMENTADO. Finally, when there is a close
information.                                                         rivalry between a PNPA graduate and a PMA graduate of
     I will go to the last point of my interpellation, Mr.           the same year, will the PNP high command consider that
Speaker.                                                             the PNPA graduate earlier needs to be a graduate of BS
                                                                     Criminology and pass the board exam for such, plus their
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                               prior employment with the PNPA, then and only then
                                                                     could they enter the Philippine National Police Academy?
     REP. AUMENTADO. Now, may we know from the                       Do you consider the length of service or the variance in
Philippine National Police and the Secretary of the Interior         the preparation and graduation of PNPA and PMA
and Local Government the guidelines in the promotion of              graduates in the selection process for officials of the
officers, especially those involved in sensitive commands such       PNP?
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    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, there is an equal                REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Mr. Speaker, it has come to
opportunity for everyone whether he is a graduate of the          my attention that there were memoranda issued by the
PMA or PNPA, or lateral. There is an equal opportunity for        Secretary of the Interior and Local Government (SILG) that
everyone. That is the policy of the Philippine National           nothing will move in the BJMP, or the Bureau of Fire
Police.                                                           Protection, without the knowledge of the Secretary. So, may
                                                                  I just ask if this situation is correct where the movements or
     REP. AUMENTADO. Again, is that policy direction              positions have to go through the SILG first before they can
included in the standard qualifications for promotion of the      be implemented.
PNP?
                                                                       REP. CRISOLOGO. No, Mr. Speaker, that is not true.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, it is included in          However, the Secretary is informed always of any movement.
the qualification, which they will give you later on.             But in cases where the position is sensitive, then they are
                                                                  advised to consult the Secretary. If the undersecretary feels
    REP. AUMENTADO. Thank you for that response. I                that the position is sensitive, they have to consult with the
would appreciate it if I can get a copy of that vital document,   Secretary, Mr. Speaker.
so we can respond to some questions that would be asked
through our respective offices in Congress.                            REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I know from the
                                                                  undersecretary of the interior how come the movements in
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                             the Bureau of Fire Protection and the BJMP sometimes do
                                                                  not go through him, and the usual explanation is that it is the
     REP. AUMENTADO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank                Secretary who will do the final approval, and that the
you, Mr. Sponsor, for the enlightening response to our queries    undersecretary somehow has no say as far as movements are
this afternoon.                                                   concerned.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.                  REP. CRISOLOGO. There are some requirements in the
                                                                  level of the undersecretary, Mr. Speaker, and also some
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.                    requirements in the level of the Secretary. For example, in
Majority Leader is recognized.                                    sensitive positions like the head of the Quezon City Fire
                                                                  Department, this is a densely populated area, and the
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, there are just two              undersecretary perhaps would find it more convenient to
more Members who wish to interpellate the distinguished           consult the Secretary. After all, the Secretary is the alter ego
Sponsor. I move that we recognize the Hon. Mitos                  of the President who, eventually, is the one empowered to
Magsaysay from the First District of Zambales for her             appoint all these people, Mr. Speaker.
interpellation.
                                                                       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I understand that, but
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The                         sometimes the feedback given is that there was a delay in the
Honorable Magsaysay is recognized for her interpellation.         implementation of movements because they still have to wait
                                                                  for the approval coming from the SILG.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker, good afternoon. Good afternoon to the Sponsor of             REP. CRISOLOGO. Actually, sometimes there are delays
the DILG family, my good friend, Congressman Crisologo.           because the DILG considers the request of a local government
                                                                  executive which may not conform to the person that they are
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Good afternoon also, Mme. Senator.            appointing, or there might be some conflict between a Member
                                                                  of Congress and the local government. There are times really,
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). First of all, Mr. Speaker, I            Mr. Speaker, that there is a delay.
just would like to know how many undersecretaries are there
in the DILG.                                                           REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Mr. Speaker, may I just ask,
                                                                  because this was also brought to my attention, when the
    REP. CRISOLOGO. We have two undersecretaries, Mr.             Secretary goes abroad for official trips, who is the caretaker
Speaker.                                                          of the DILG?

    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). One undersecretary for local                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Sometimes, Mr. Speaker, it is Usec
government and one undersecretary for the interior.               Panadero or Usec Puno.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. The Lady is right, Mr. Speaker.                   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). How come the Sponsor said
                                                                  sometimes? Why, is it not a definitive answer as to who is in
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I just know what is being            charge of the DILG, in case the Secretary is out on official
handled by the undersecretary for the interior.                   mission?

     REP. CRISOLOGO. The undersecretary for the interior               REP. CRISOLOGO. Because sometimes Usec Puno or
is handling the BJMP and the Bureau of Fire Protection, Mr.       Usec Panadero may not be around when they are also on
Speaker.                                                          official mission.
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     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Someone showed me some                         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, that is probably what I
documents which state that for a time, Usec Puno was                 have read. So far, what do we have?
appointed as caretaker. He was supposed to do some orders
because the DILG Secretary was out on an extended trip.                   REP. CRISOLOGO. Right now, we have not yet met the
What happened was, there was a memorandum circular issued            desired requirement due to lack of budget or due to budgetary
in the next trip that even though he is the one who is assigned      constraints, Mr. Speaker. As of now, we have a 1:674 ratio.
as a caretaker, he cannot issue any order or any
implementation while the DILG Secretary is away.                          REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). But I noticed, Mr. Speaker,
                                                                     that for unfilled positions, P16 million was removed from
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, the DILG Secretary                 the budget because the positions were not filled up. If the
was only out of the country for three days. That was the most.       Gentleman is saying that the ratio of 1:500 is the ideal ratio,
At that time, I think it was Usec Puno who was designated            how come the DILG did not fill up the positions?
the acting Secretary.
                                                                          REP. CRISOLOGO. That is for the unfilled positions,
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May the Sponsor please                      Mr. Speaker. But we are still recruiting; the PNP is still going
explain to this Representation what is the “rat plan.”               to recruit; and they are in the process of recruiting. By the
                                                                     time that they are able to recruit and fill up these positions,
    REP. CRISOLOGO. The rat plan is the rationalization              from a 1:675 ratio, it will become 1:660, Mr. Speaker.
plan for the plantilla of the DILG, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). There is a program for potable
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I know if they were able to             water amounting to P1.5 billion.
implement the rat plan in the first year that they were in office.
                                                                         REP. CRISOLOGO. Potable water, yes, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Not yet fully, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). How do we select the
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Why was it not fully                        beneficiaries for this potable water program?
implemented?
                                                                          REP. CRISOLOGO. When 50 percent of the population
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Because the Secretary finds that                in an area has only 15 minutes of access to water, then they
they should review the rat plan more, which was submitted to         are qualified. The Secretary has committed to supply water;
them prior to this administration, that is why they are still        and to give all Members of the House a copy of those who
reviewing it, Mr. Speaker.                                           will be qualified to benefit from this capital outlay, for the
                                                                     public infrastructure of potable water supply. So, our
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I know how long will it                respective towns and barangays, which may qualify, can apply
take the DILG to review this?                                        for this water supply, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. They have already submitted the                       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I ask what is the
request to the DBM, and they are just waiting for its approval,      difference between that potable water program and the LWUA
Mr. Speaker.                                                         program under the DOH.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I understand that the ratio of                 REP. CRISOLOGO. The LWUA, Mr. Speaker, is for
policemen is 1:5000, where the ideal ratio should be 1:2000.         Level 3. Levels 1 and 2 are for the waterless.
May I know how come the DILG has not …
                                                                         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). The LWUA is what, Mr.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. The ratio right now is 1:1000, Mr.               Speaker?
Speaker.
                                                                            REP. CRISOLOGO. The LWUA is lending money and
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). What is the ratio, Mr.                      it is for Level 3, while this P1.5 billion PAMANA program is
Speaker?                                                             for Level 1 and Level 2 in a LGU, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. In remote areas, it is 1:1000, but in                 REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Mr. Speaker, I remember our
most of the places it is 1:674, Mr. Speaker. But when this           budget hearing last year. I asked the DOH why the water
budget is approved and they start recruiting, Mr. Speaker, it        project was transferred to them and they said that Level 1
would be a 1:660 ratio.                                              and Level 2 can be supplied by the DOH, while the LWUA,
                                                                     although it is under the DOH, will supply the Level 3 and the
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I am just trying to look for                Level 4.
the page where it says 1:5000, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
Sponsor. Anyway, the Gentleman said the ratio would be                   REP. CRISOLOGO. That is right, Mr. Speaker.
1:600. I will go back to that point later.
                                                                          REP. MAGSAYSAY (M). Is this not a duplication now
    REP. CRISOLOGO. The desired ratio is 1:500 and not               between the program of the DOH and the DILG, considering
1:5000, Mr. Speaker.                                                 that both are into potable water?
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    REP. CRISOLOGO. Actually, Mr. Speaker, this is the                  REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). We all know that the
program of the DOH. But now, it was transferred from the           Committee on Women, under the Office of the President, is
DOH to the DILG.                                                   supposed to be the overseer if the Magna Carta for Women is
                                                                   being implemented by the agencies involved. That is why I
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, this year, it is now                 want to know if the DILG is doing its share in implementing
transferred to the DILG?                                           the law, because sometimes, Congress passes a lot of laws,
                                                                   but when it comes to its implementation, this is the stage where
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. The reason is that          we usually fail.
it deals with qualified barangays, and it would be better for
the DILG to deal with the barangays rather than the DOH                REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, the Secretary has committed,
since the DOH is not familiar with the barangays, Mr. Speaker.     Mr. Speaker, to provide you a copy.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes. But I noticed that even                  REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Thank you very much, Mr.
the LWUA, which used to be under another agency, was               Speaker. May I ask about the P10 million provision for Civil
transferred to the DOH. That is why I was questioning it in        Society Organizations and the Peoples’ Participation
the last budget hearing. But now, if the LWUA is with the          Partnership Program. What is this all about? Are we allowed
DOH and the potable water program for Levels 1 and 2 was           to give out government funds to peoples’ organizations?
transferred to the DILG, then I see no reason why the LWUA
will still remain with the DOH.                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. It is a program of the DILG and the
                                                                   NGOs. There was no transfer of money here, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. We do not know why the LWUA
has remained, Mr. Speaker.                                              REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, where will we be spending
                                                                   the P10 million, Mr. Speaker?
   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, I know. I am just
commenting.                                                             REP. CRISOLOGO. They are doing a regional caravan
                                                                   in partnership with the NGOs and GOs, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                        REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Is the Gentleman saying that
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). But I see the rationale as to            the DILG will do a caravan but there will be no fund transfer
why it would be transferred to the DILG, but I do not see the      to the NGOs.
rationale as to why the LWUA would still remain with the
DOH.                                                                   REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes. There will be no transfer, Mr.
                                                                   Speaker.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, the reason Level 1 and
Level 2 were transferred to the DILG is that it is provided that       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Can the Sponsor kindly
it should be the LGUs. So, it was devolved to the LGUs. The        explain what kind of caravan is this, Mr. Speaker?
LGU, being under the DILG, is the reason Level 1 and Level 2
were transferred to the DILG, Mr. Speaker.                              REP. CRISOLOGO. This is the caravan, Mr. Speaker,
                                                                   of full disclosure and the seal of good housekeeping.
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I have no objections with it
being transferred to the DILG because I think the DILG will            REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). What is that, Mr. Speaker?
be the much better agency to handle potable water than the
DOH.                                                                   REP. CRISOLOGO. This is the caravan for the seal of
                                                                   good housekeeping and the full disclosure policy, Mr.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                        Speaker.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). But with regard to the local                  REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Good housekeeping and full
government side of the DILG, I am sure they are familiar           disclosure?
with the Magna Carta for Women, wherein the DILG is one
of the partners in implementing its IRR, may I just know what          REP. CRISOLOGO. Policy of what, Mr. Speaker?
is the compliance rate of the DILG as far as checking whether
the LGUs are really complying with the different provisions            REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). What policy? Good
of the Magna Carta for Women and its IRR.                          housekeeping? What is the Sponsor talking about, Mr.
                                                                   Speaker?
   REP. CRISOLOGO. We will provide the exact data next
Monday, Mr. Speaker, if that is all right with the Lady.               REP. CRISOLOGO. …of the local government units,
                                                                   Mr. Speaker.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). What will the Sponsor supply
next Monday, Mr. Speaker?                                               REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). …of the local government
                                                                   units.
   REP. CRISOLOGO. The information on whether the
LGUs have complied, Mr. Speaker.                                       REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
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     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, the DILG will go around                 REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). And he is the one who directs
the country looking at whether the local government units        the police now to conduct a...
are implementing the projects and programs of the DILG or
their projects properly?                                              REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, it is the interagency,
                                                                 headed by the Executive Secretary but it is composed of
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Actually, every region has a regional        different agencies. They make their decision and if it needs
conference and that conference takes money from this fund.       enforcement, then the DILG...

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, the regional conferences               REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, Mr. Speaker,
take money from this funds.                                      when it comes to surveillance and intelligence, the PNP will
                                                                 have to tell the interagency head before they can implement
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                           and conduct such activity.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, the NGOs do                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Not really, Mr. Speaker, they can
not get any funding at all.                                      do it on their own, but they coordinate with the NBI also and
                                                                 with the different investigating agencies who are members of
     REP. CRISOLOGO. No transfer, Mr. Speaker.                   that group.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay. I just wanted to make                REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I would assume because
sure because there is a portion here where the Sponsor said      before, the DILG should be at the forefront considering that
partnership. In the past, we used to have the PCTC. I am sure    enforcement is being done by them.
the Secretary knows the Philippine Center on Transnational
Crimes. Is it still with the DILG or it was already removed           REP. CRISOLOGO. Although that is true, prosecution
from the DILG?                                                   is also an important aspect, Mr. Speaker, in those cases, that
                                                                 is why the Department of Justice is also there.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. It is now with the Office of the
President, Mr. Speaker.                                              REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, when you do enforcement,
                                                                 kapag may nahuli kayo, you will have to inform the Executive
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). How does the DILG now                   Secretary.
coordinate with regard to human trafficking and transnantional
crimes, considering that when it comes to issues like these,         REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
we need enforcement to check whether these things are
happening in the country or not?                                      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Then, the Executive Secretary
                                                                 will make the decision on whether to call the DOJ Secretary
     REP. CRISOLOGO. In human trafficking there is an            or not.
inter-agency committee headed by the Vice President and the
DILG is only a part of it.                                            REP. CRISOLOGO. Not really, Mr. Speaker. It becomes
                                                                 automatic because this was apprehended already, so naturally,
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). How about for the                      there should be a prosecution.
transnational crimes, Mr. Speaker?
                                                                     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, I just want to know the
     REP. CRISOLOGO. The same, Mr. Speaker.                      parameters because I saw that it was not part of the DILG
                                                                 anymore. I thought that, for better implementation, it should
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, the DILG is not the lead            have …
agency?
                                                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that the
     REP. CRISOLOGO. No, Mr. Speaker.                            Executive Secretary is only there to coordinate really, but the
                                                                 tasks that they are supposed to perform when it comes to arresting
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). When it comes to                       and enforcement of the law, automatically go to the DILG.
enforcement, how does that group enforce it? I am sure it is
the PNP who is supposed to do it.                                     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). How about information
                                                                 sharing?
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. That is their
assignment. But they are not the lead agency. Though the             REP. CRISOLOGO. There is information sharing
DILG is a member of the interagency group when it comes to       because all government entities are involved. Take for
enforcement as seen by the different agencies, the DILG will     example the case in Zamboanga, Mr. Speaker, since it was a
simply enforce their decisions.                                  multi-agency effort, there was information sharing among all
                                                                 agencies.
   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, the direction
comes from the Office of the Executive Secretary.                    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). When it comes to
                                                                 enforcement, of course, it would be the Usec of the DILG
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                           who is at the forefront, right?
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    REP. CRISOLOGO. No, Mr. Speaker.                                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
                                                                  Honorable Suarez is recognized for his interpellation.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). No, also?
                                                                     REP. SUAREZ. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, distinguished
    REP. CRISOLOGO. It is the Chief PNP.                          Sponsor.

   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). No. I know it is the Chief                    REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much.
PNP, but who will oversee the Chief?
                                                                       REP. SUAREZ. I heard earlier that one of my colleagues
    REP. CRISOLOGO. It is the DILG Secretary.                     raised the issue of fire trucks.

    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). It is the DILG Secretary.                    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                  REP. SUAREZ. May I know the present position of the
                                                                  leadership in terms of the ideal ratio of fire trucks per number
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, just to clarify,         of citizens or population?
the Usec of the DILG is only in charge of the BJMP and the
Bureau of Fire Protection.                                            REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, the ideal would be one fire
                                                                  truck for every 28,000 inhabitants, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                      REP. SUAREZ. So, you have not really moved from that
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, iyon lang ho ang                     present …
kanyang…
                                                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. No, that would be the ideal.
   REP. CRISOLOGO. ... and Public Safety College, iyong
DILG Secretary, iyong Usec for Interior.                                REP. SUAREZ. So, if that will be the ideal number of
                                                                  fire trucks, we still have 35 million Filipinos without amply
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, because I remember                 having a good coverage of fire trucks. In case of fire, we can
before, or was it last year when the President mentioned          say that a good number of our citizens will not be amply
that Usec Puno was in charge of the police and the DILG           covered by the fire tuck protection. Is that correct?
Secretary will be in charge of the local government. So, I
am just trying to clarify it now because we are already on             REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, the actual number that we
our second budget hearing, just so we will know who to            have now is 1:1,600. We have 1,622 fire trucks in existence
look for when it comes to the implementation of programs          right now. The ideal for our population right now would be
and projects in the DILG.                                         3,358. So, we have 1,736 deficit in our fire trucks, Mr.
     So, now, nagbago na po iyong sistema. The statement          Speaker.
made last year that Usec Puno is in charge of the police is not
a correct statement anymore.                                          REP. SUAREZ. That may not be—well, is that the
                                                                  equation given to you by the agency?
    REP. CRISOLOGO. No more, the one in charge of the
police is the Napolcom because the Chairman of the                     REP. CRISOLOGO. No, it is not an equation, Mr.
Napolcom is the DILG Secretary.                                   Speaker. The actual number of fire trucks is 1,622 right now,
                                                                  nationwide, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, the lines are drawn
already this time.                                                    REP. SUAREZ. One thousand six hundred twenty-two.

    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay. At least, for the                      REP. SUAREZ. And if you are saying that the ideal ratio
clarification of everybody. Anyway, I do not want to belabor      is 28,000 citizens…
you because you are my friend. I just want to thank you, Mr.
Sponsor, for giving me the time.                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes.
     Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. SUAREZ. … per fire truck, that is about 60 million
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much, Mme.                     Filipinos.

   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.                         REP. CRISOLOGO. Well, I do not have the exact
Majority Leader is recognized.                                    computation, Mr. Speaker, but if that is your computation, I
                                                                  will agree with it.
    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
recognize the Gentleman from the Third District of Quezon,             REP. SUAREZ. What we are trying to arrive at here is
the Hon. Danilo Suarez, for his interpellation.                   that, we are still in dire need of fire trucks.
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    REP. CRISOLOGO. Definitely, Mr. Speaker, that is why              REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
we have a deficit of 1,736 fire trucks to comply …
                                                                     REP. SUAREZ. Is that an assurance that something will
     REP. SUAREZ. What is the agency’s program to augment        have to be done?
that shortage?
                                                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, definitely.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. First, we have the collection of fees.
That is where we get our money to buy fire trucks, the               REP. SUAREZ. Can we just have some voluntary
collection of fees. That is why right now, they are trying a     suggestion that the good Secretary …
program which is a grant from the Austrian government
wherein we will have no money out, Mr. Speaker, and it will           REP. CRISOLOGO. Might fight for.
only be payable after three years, because we have financial
difficulty in providing all the things that are needed by our         REP. SUAREZ. … carefully analyze the position of one
different government agencies.                                   of the administration’s pillars, Congressman Mandanas,
                                                                 regarding his findings that the estimate of the base for the
     REP. SUAREZ. Well, it is more of —I will go into some       IRA is not correct, and that the excise tax and VAT collected
statistical questions as a force of habit.                       by the Bureau of Customs is not being considered as part and
                                                                 parcel of its computation. So, maybe, that could be a strong
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                           point of discussion if the good Secretary will have a chance
                                                                 to discuss it with the President.
     REP. SUAREZ. Considering that for the last six years,
every year the DILG, the PNP and other agencies report to us          REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker. As a matter of
their accomplishment. But before that, I just would like to      fact, the Secretary is really looking for ways and means in
raise the question on the leadership of the DILG, on the         order to augment the shortfall of the …
shimmered possibility that the IRA for 2012 will be lower
than 2011. Is that correct?                                           REP. SUAREZ. Well, the leadership has been there only
                                                                 for a year and two months, so may this Representation as
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, there is a                 well as the Members in plenary be informed of your
possibility because of the shortfall in our 2009 collections.    accomplishment in terms of crime statistics, index crimes,
                                                                 non-index, and your solution in statistical data. Do you have
     REP. SUAREZ. Well, that is beyond the control of the        that handy?
agency, considering that Congress, for the last six years, did
not manage to pass any positive law on taxation but rather            REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
regressive or negative taxation. So, nagkaroon po ng pinsala
or damage sa ating mga local government units. So, ang               REP. SUAREZ. I am just going to ask your data for 2010
tanong ko ho, ano ang gagawin ng leadership dito sa shortfall    and for the half of 2011.
na ito in the amount of about P28 billion?
                                                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. If it will be all right with our
    REP. CRISOLOGO. There is a discussion now here at the        distinguished colleague, this is rather a long note, can the
DILG, Mr. Speaker, on how to augment the shortfall of this       Secretary just submit his report on the accomplishments of
IRA for local governments. Discussions are ongoing now.          the DILG, Mr. Speaker?

     REP. SUAREZ. Discussion?                                         REP. SUAREZ. You do not have it handy?

     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, there was already a directive              REP. CRISOLOGO. But crime rate has gone down. It is
issued to the DBM, Mr. Speaker.                                  here, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. SUAREZ. Who is the…                                        REP. SUAREZ. Okay, there are some areas that are very
                                                                 simple to answer.
     REP. CRISOLOGO. By the President.
                                                                      REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. SUAREZ. And no less than the President is
concerned about this.                                                 REP. SUAREZ. If you have the data, can we talk on KFR,
                                                                 kidnap for ransom? Did it increase or decrease as compared
     REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                           to last year during the previous administration?

     REP. SUAREZ. Do we have the assurance of our                     REP. CRISOLOGO. Mr. Speaker, can the PNP Chief
colleagues, because next week, we will be going back to our      just submit a report right now? It is with their staff. If it is all
respective districts and we may have some good news about        right with you, they could just submit the report to you.
the possibility that the leadership of the DILG, no less than
the President, is concerned about the effect of the IRA for         REP. SUAREZ. How can I say no to you, distinguished
2012?                                                            Sponsor?
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    REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much.                                REP. SUAREZ. Now, in terms of the livelihood projects
                                                                   that were done during the last administration, like Dagdag
     REP. SUAREZ. Can I just go into another issue? You            Puhunan Para sa Kabuhayan ng Pamilya, Kalinga sa
may have to submit again. As I have said, after the deliberation   Manggagawang Pinoy, Ahon sa Kahirapan, Support to
on the budget of the PDEA, for the information of the good         Barangay-based Development Program, do we have
Secretary, there is a very alarming statistical figure that was    counterparts that are being done now by the present leadership?
given to us and reported in plenary, and that is the seemingly
lowering price of shabu per gram. It appears that in 2008, the          REP. CRISOLOGO. There is none, Mr. Speaker. There
price is P12,000, P10,000 in 2009, and this time, 2011, it is      is no counterpart as of now.
P5,000 per gram. What is the intelligence operative report to
the good Secretary on why there is a seemingly lowering of            REP. SUAREZ. Are you not doing a copycat or a
prices? If we look at the principle of supply and demand, it       semblance of what the previous leadership has done?
would appear that there is more supply than demand.
                                                                       REP. CRISOLOGO. On the part of the DILG, perhaps,
    REP. CRISOLOGO. The primary agency, of course, is              what they are trying now is the performance challenge
the PDEA as we all know, Mr. Speaker. The PNP is just              response given to the different LGUs, Mr. Speaker.
supporting the PDEA.
                                                                        REP. SUAREZ. Okay. We just would like to have the
    REP. SUAREZ. Did the PNP concur with the PDEA that             assurance that those data will be given to us and as I said,
the price of shabu dramatically went down by almost 50             telegraphing our question for next year’s deliberation on your
percent?                                                           proposed 2013 budget. Now that you have seen the money
                                                                   that you are asking for, we would like to see how you spent
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the PNP concurs              the money for 2012.
with that.
                                                                       REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, definitely the
    REP. SUAREZ. Do you not consider it to be a clear and          Secretary is …
present danger to this government that the price of shabu is
becoming lower and there seems to be an abundant supply?                REP. SUAREZ. With that, Mr. Speaker, my dear
                                                                   distinguished Sponsor, thank you very much for your answer.
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.
    REP. SUAREZ. So, what are they doing about it?                 Majority Leader is recognized.

     REP. CRISOLOGO. The PNP considers it and they are                 REP. CRISOLOGO. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
strengthening their campaign, Mr. Speaker, especially in the
depressed areas.                                                       REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
                                                                   recognize the distinguished Minority Leader, the Hon. Edcel
     REP. SUAREZ. Can I just ask the leadership of the             C. Lagman.
agency especially those that are involved in this data, on your
comparative achievement for next year? We are just informing           THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
you that in the data that you will submit to this Representation   honorable Minority Leader Edcel Lagman is recognized.
as part of the data gathering of the Minority, please include
the results of campaign against illegal drugs, street crimes,          REP. LAGMAN. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
illegal gambling, carnapping, bank robbery, organized                  The Minority is ready to join the Majority in the proper
syndicated crime groups, criminal gangs, et cetera; the            motion to terminate the period of interpellation and debate
campaign to arrest the top most wanted persons, the campaign       on the proposed 2012 budget of the DILG and its attached
against lose firearms, highway robbery, and hijacking. At the      agencies. (Applause)
same time, we can somewhat compare these with the
Committee on Human Rights report against child abuse and              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.
prostitution; and with the DA and the DENR report on illegal       Majority Leader is recognized.
logging and illegal fishing.
     These are normally submitted to Congress every year. I             REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, it is my honor to move
will not ask you to present them to me now. Can we give you        for the termination of the period of interpellation and debate
two weeks to have these data available and submit to this          on the proposed budget of the Department of the Interior and
Representation, as part and parcel of the records of the           Local Government, including its attached agencies.
Minority to be taken up in next year’s preparation of the               I so move, Mr. Speaker.
budget for 2013?
                                                                        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). There being
    REP. CRISOLOGO. Yes, Mr. Speaker, but it will be               a motion from the Majority and the Minority to terminate the
next, next week because Congress will be on vacation               period of interpellation and debate on the budget of the DILG
beginning Monday. It will not be this Monday but next, next        and its attached agencies, the period for interpellation and
Monday.                                                            debate on the budget of the Department of the Interior and
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Local Government, and its attached agencies, is hereby                     SUSPENSION OF CONSIDERATION
terminated.                                                                      OF H. B. NO. 5023
    The Sr. Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.
                                                                     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
    REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, I move for the                 suspend the consideration of House Bill No. 5023.
reconsideration of the termination of the deliberations on
the proposed budget of the Anti-Money Laundering                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any
Council.                                                         objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the consideration
                                                                 of House Bill No. 5023 is hereby suspended.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is             REP. ROMUALDO. Mr. Speaker.
approved.
    The reconsideration on the termination of the deliberation        THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Yes, what is
on the budget of the Anti-Money Laundering Council is            the pleasure of the Honorable Romualdo?
hereby granted.
                                                                     REP. ROMUALDO. Yes, I will just make an inquiry.
     REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker.                               Why is the discussion or deliberations on the budget of the
                                                                 Department of Justice and its attached agencies always being
               SUSPENSION OF SESSION                             suspended?

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Sr. Dep.
is suspended.                                                    Majority Leader will please respond.

     It was 6:00 p.m.                                                 REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, this is the first time that
                                                                 we suspended the consideration of the proposed budget of
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                             the Department of Justice. This is because we have some
                                                                 colleagues who have parochial concerns and who would like
     At 6:05 p.m., the session was resumed.                      to confer with the Secretary and other department heads.
                                                                      In order for us to take up some local bills for approval
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session              on Second Reading, we have decided to suspend the
is resumed.                                                      consideration of House Bill No. 5023 for a few minutes. But
     The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.                     we will resume immediately after all our colleagues’ requests
                                                                 have been acceded to.
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we open
the period of interpellation and debate on the proposed budget      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is the
of the Department of Justice, including its attached agencies.   Honorable Romualdo satisfied with the answer?
For this purpose, may we recognize the Hon. Edgar San Luis
from the Fourth District of Laguna to sponsor the said budget.       REP. ROMUALDO. No, Mr. Speaker. However, if it is
                                                                 suspended because we have local bills to take up, then I may
               SUSPENSION OF SESSION                             agree. But if we take any other agency after the local bills,
                                                                 then I might ask for the numbers, Mr. Speaker.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session
is suspended.                                                        REP. GARIN (J.). Yes, Mr. Speaker.

     It was 6:06 p.m.                                                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Yes, we
                                                                 assure the Gentleman that it is the local bills we will take up
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                             and, immediately thereafter, we will take up the budget of the
                                                                 Department of Justice and its attached agencies.
     At 6:10 p.m., the session was resumed.                           The Sr. Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session                   REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, I now move that we take
is resumed.                                                      up local bills for approval on Second Reading.
     The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.
                                                                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any
    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                  objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
suspend the consideration of the proposed budget of the          approved.
Department of Justice and its attached agencies.                     The Sr. Dep. Majority Leader may proceed.

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any                OMNIBUS CONSIDERATION OF LOCAL BILLS
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the consideration                 ON SECOND READING
of the budget of the Department of Justice and its attached
agencies is hereby suspended.                                        REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, I move for an omnibus
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motion for the consideration of the following local bills on           The bills enumerated in the omnibus motion are hereby
Second Reading:                                                    approved on Second Reading.
    1. House Bill No. 4105, as contained in Committee
         Report No. 1404;                                                    CONSIDERATION OF H. B. NO. 5023
    2. House Bill No. 897, as contained in Committee                                  Continuation
         Report No. 1407;
    3. House Bill No. 1448, as contained in Committee                     PERIOD OF SPONSORSHIP AND DEBATE
         Report No. 1412;
    4. House Bill No. 1449, as contained in Committee                   REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, I now move that we
         Report No. 1413;                                          resume the consideration of House Bill No. 5023, and that
    5. House Bill No. 1450, as contained in Committee              the Secretary General be directed to read the title of the said
         Report No. 1414;                                          measure.
    6. House Bill No. 1294, as contained in Committee
         Report No. 1415;                                               THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any
    7. House Bill No. 1295, as contained in Committee              objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
         Report No. 1416;                                          approved.
    8. House Bill No. 1446, as contained in Committee                   The Secretary General is directed to read only the title
         Report No. 1417; and                                      of the measure.
    9. House Bill No. 1447, as contained in Committee
         Report No. 1418.                                               THE SECRETARY GENERAL. House Bill No. 5023,
    I so move, Mr. Speaker.                                        entitled: AN ACT APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR THE
                                                                   OPERATION OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any                REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES FROM JANUARY
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is           ONE TO DECEMBER THIRTY-ONE, TWO
approved. **                                                       THOUSAND AND TWELVE, AND FOR OTHER
                                                                   PURPOSES.
     REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, I further move for the
consideration of the Explanatory Notes of the corresponding           THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.
measures as the sponsorship speeches of each bill; however,        Majority Leader is recognized.
considering that all these are local bills, allow me also to put
forward an omnibus motion for the termination of the period            REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
of sponsorship and debate; as well as the closing of the period    resume the consideration of the proposed budget of the
of amendments.                                                     Department of Justice and its attached agencies.

    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any                    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Is there any
objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the omnibus             objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is
motion is approved.                                                approved.
                                                                       The Honorable San Luis from the Fourth District of
    REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, I move that we approve           Laguna is recognized to sponsor the said budget.
on Second Reading House Bills No. 4105, 897, 1448, 1449,
1450, 1294, 1295, 1446 and 1447.                                       REP. SAN LUIS. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This
                                                                   Representation is now ready to answer any interpellation.
                   VIVA VOCE VOTING
                                                                       REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). As many as
are in favor of the approval on Second Reading of the                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.
aforementioned local bills, please say aye.                        Majority Leader is recognized.

    SEVERAL MEMBERS. Aye.                                               REP. GUNIGUNDO. The following Members have
                                                                   manifested their intention to interpellate the distinguished
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). As many as                 Sponsor. First on the list is the Hon. Mitos Magsaysay from
are against, please say nay.                                       the First District of Zambales.

    FEW MEMBERS. Nay.                                                 THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
                                                                   Honorable Magsaysay is recognized for her interpellation.
       OMNIBUS APPROVAL OF LOCAL BILLS
             ON SECOND READING                                          REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker,
                                                                   distinguished Sponsor.
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The ayes
have it; the motion is approved.                                       REP. SAN LUIS. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.

** See MEASURES CONSIDERED (printed separately)
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     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). To Congressman San Luis                        REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, the status is that it is still
and the DOJ family and its attached agencies, my first question     under investigation and the Secretary is personally looking
is, may I know the update on what has happened to the case          into the matter seriously.
of the 14 Taiwanese who were mistakenly deported to China?
Have we done anything with regard to the Bureau of                       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Seriously. On another related
Immigration and Deportation (BID) in relation to that issue,        issue, can you please explain to me what the term “witness”
Mr. Speaker?                                                        means?

     REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, the issue has been settled             REP. SAN LUIS. In layman’s term, I think the term
already between mainland China and Taiwan. The 14                   “witness” refers to someone who saw the commission of the
fishermen were returned to Taiwan from China and the issue          crime at the moment the crime was committed.
was mutually settled.
                                                                         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Can you please tell the
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I know what the                       difference between a government witness and an ordinary
department has done with regard to the Bureau of Immigration        witness?
and Deportation officials who mistakenly brought them to
China. From the hearings we conducted in the House, it was               REP. SAN LUIS. An ordinary witness, Mr. Speaker, is
very clear that the BID officials were remiss in their duty in      one who has no participation in the crime, while the state
trying to bring the Taiwanese to Taiwan instead of China.           witness had participation in the crime, provided, he meets
                                                                    the elements prescribed by law. Yes, he can be discharged as
    REP. SAN LUIS. Mr Speaker, there was no admission               an accused or co-accused, Mr. Speaker.
of mistake on the part of the immigration officers because
they were cleared by the Secretary of Justice.                          At this juncture, Deputy Speaker Remulla relinquished
                                                                    the Chair to Rep. Rodolfo C. Fariñas.
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I know they were cleared by
the Secretary of Justice, but based on the hearings we                  REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Some government witnesses
conducted, it was very clear that some procedures on how to         entered the Witness Protection Program, right? I read in the
clear or seek clearance from the DOJ was not followed to the        papers recently that Rosebud or Mary Ong was removed from
letter by the Bureau of Immigration and Deportation. I am           the Witness Protection Program of the government. May I
sure that the Secretary of Justice is familiar with the hearings    know if that is a correct statement and, if yes, why was she
that we conducted in Congress.                                      removed from the Witness Protection Program?

    REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, there might be some gaps                           SUSPENSION OF SESSION
but a decision has been made by the Secretary of Justice.
Although they are addressing the gaps in the procedure, Mr.              REP. SAN LUIS. May I have a one-minute suspension
Speaker.                                                            of the session, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So they are addressing the                      THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session
gaps?                                                               is suspended.

     REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                   It was 6:23 p.m.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, we do not expect anything                            RESUMPTION OF SESSION
like that to happen again?
     The next issue I want to ask is with regard to the fake            At 6:27 p.m., the session was resumed.
travel papers that were brought in or that were used by
someone to enter the country, which the Secretary of Justice             THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session
is very passionately pursuing. May I know what is the status        is resumed.
of that case, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Thank you very much, Mr.
     REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, the DFA has certified that         Speaker.
they have to issue a new passport because the person who                 Due to the fact that the Sponsor is a good friend, I will
requested it said that he lost his passport. So, it was certified   just allow the explanation given to me when they approached
by the DFA, Mr. Speaker.                                            me here in the podium.
                                                                         My next question is with regard to the high-profile cases
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). But was it not also clear in              that were brought or lodged in the DOJ. May I just have an
the newspaper reports if even the DFA has said that the             update from the DOJ as to the high-profile cases that the DOJ
document number issued was not yet released by them? So, I          Secretary mentioned last year starting August onwards,
just would like to know, considering this kind of information       because there were high-profile incidences that happened in
being brought to us right now, what does the DOJ intend to          the country. I just want to hear from the DOJ Secretary what
do with regard to this issue? I was following that case because     has happened so far to those cases, plus the smuggling cases
the DOJ Secretary herself was actively pursuing it that time.       that were brought to her attention by the Bureau of Customs.
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    REP. SAN LUIS. As for smuggling, there are already                   It was 6:34 p.m.
four cases that have been resolved, more than 20 are for
resolution and the other, like the Ortega case, have already                         RESUMPTION OF SESSION
been resolved, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                         At 6:34 p.m., the session was resumed.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). How about the investigation
reports that she also submitted? Has something come out of                THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session
any report that she gave Malacañang? Has anything been               is resumed.
resolved?
                                                                          REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, they have already started
     REP. SAN LUIS. Well, the high-profile case like the IIRC,       the operation of 28 sites nationwide for the NBI clearance,
the hostage taking, there is a resolution already. On the Vizconde   processing about 15,500 persons per day. Maybe in about
massacre, there is a partial result on the investigation.            six months, this will be in full capacity already. There was a
                                                                     delay because of the biometric system.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). When you say there was a
resolution already, what do you mean by that?                             REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay. My next question is with
                                                                     regard to the Bureau of Immigration. There have been about
    REP. SAN LUIS. There is a recommendation, I am sorry,            35,000 constituents nationwide who were not allowed to travel
Mr. Speaker.                                                         because the Immigration stopped them at the airport for the
                                                                     reason that they did not look like they can afford to travel.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). A recommendation.                           They were discriminated upon by the Immigration officials,
                                                                     that is why they were stopped at the airport and were not
    REP. SAN LUIS. Yes.                                              allowed to leave. May I know from the Sponsor whether the
                                                                     DOJ and the Bureau of Immigration have corrected this
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay. How about the cases                  situation already? The right to travel is being protected in the
that the DOJ has personally filed before against certain             Constitution, so I do not understand how come a huge number
individuals, was it tax evasion?                                     of Filipinos were prevented by the Bureau of Immigration from
                                                                     traveling just because they did not look capable of spending or
    REP. SAN LUIS. Per DOJ’s record, about 20 plus cases             going abroad to visit their loved ones. What made it worse was
were already resolved.                                               that, for a certain sum of money, a hundred dollars minimum,
                                                                     they were allowed to leave. So, I would just like to know
                SUSPENSION OF SESSION                                whether the Bureau of Immigration and the DOJ Secretary have
                                                                     already corrected this situation because it is unfair for the
     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session               Filipinos to be denied the right to travel under the Constitution.
is suspended for a few minutes.
                                                                         REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker. The DOJ is already
    It was 6:31 p.m.                                                 addressing the problem of offloading which the Hon. Mitos
                                                                     Magsaysay has raised. Rest assured that the DOJ will make
                RESUMPTION OF SESSION                                changes and corrections on these procedure.

    At 6:32 p.m., the session was resumed.                               REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, in next year’s
                                                                     budget hearing, we will not be able to get any statistics that
     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session               high as far as those who have been denied the right to travel
is resumed.                                                          under the Constitution.

    REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, on tax evasion cases, more                REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker. Personally, I will
than 20 have been filed with the Court of Tax Appeals, out of        guarantee that because next year, if you do not get that, I will
more than 40 cases, including, of course, the Leviste case           not be on this floor anymore.
which is still ongoing. They have decided already on the
Leviste case. Still ongoing is the Ampatuan case, Mr. Speaker.            REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Without any fleeing ha?
                                                                     (Laughter) Anyway, I would like to ask also with regard to
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). With regard to the                         the unfilled positions in the DOJ. We noticed that a lot of
computerization of the NBI, has it speeded up already? We            prosecutors are needed nationwide aside from judges. Has
all know that our constituents were all complaining that it          the DOJ been diligent enough to look for judges and fill up
took them days to get their clearance, and they have to go to        the unfilled positions in their agency? There is a backlog of
Metro Manila just so they can get their clearance. I just would      cases being filed in all the courts nationwide, and sometimes
like to know the update.                                             because of lack of prosecutors or because they are
                                                                     overworked, they cannot attend to the cases being brought to
                SUSPENSION OF SESSION                                their attention.

     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session                    REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, there are several batches
is suspended.                                                        already of appointments but due to some communications
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between the DBM and the department, the Secretary and the         from last year’s budget hearing to this year’s, instead of the
rest of the DOJ family are already addressing the concern of      number of those being hired increased, it decreased, Mr. Speaker?
the Hon. Mitos Magsaysay.
                                                                       REP. SAN LUIS. It decreased, Mr. Speaker, but they are
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Like for example, we had                already filling up the vacancies. We will submit the statistics
earlier the DILG. In the BJMP alone in Olongapo, there are        to the Lady’s office.
about 1,200 inmates who have not been convicted yet. They
are just being tried in the local courts. Some of them have           REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I just hope that the hiring will
been there for seven years, eight years or nine years because     be done as soon as possible, because I am sure that, just like
sometimes the prosecutors are too busy attending to so many       the situation in Olongapo, there are about 1,200 people
cases that they cannot really calendar the cases filed against    languishing in jail because there is no resolution yet to their
these people. Sometimes, it is an injustice to our constituents   cases. If we replicate that nationwide, I am sure there would
that they are forced to remain inside the BJMP because there      be hundreds of thousands of Filipinos languishing in jail
is no resolution of the cases yet.                                because there is no resolution to their cases yet.

   At this juncture, Rep. Fariñas relinquished the Chair to             REP. SAN LUIS. To specifically answer the question,
Deputy Speaker Jesus Crispin C. Remulla.                          there are 2,200 authorized positions and 1,692 positions are
                                                                  filled up, so there are vacancies for 508 positions, Mr. Speaker.
     That is why I think the DOJ Secretary and the DOJ family
should really make representations with the DBM to release            REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, there are 508 vacant
the funding needed for additional prosecutors, clerks of court    positions.
and all the other people needed, so that at least we can have
a speedy resolution and expedite the cases of all those               REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
languishing in jails nationwide, who have not been convicted
yet.                                                                   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Does the Sponsor think 508
                                                                  is enough, aside from the 2,000 plus? Is that already enough
     REP. SAN LUIS. I think, Mr. Speaker, the good Secretary      to handle all the cases being brought to the courts’ sala
has been addressing and coordinating already with the DBM         nationwide?
to address this problem.
                                                                       REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, I do not think so because
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.) May I just ask what is the               I have the same problem in my district. The ideal ratio is
percentage of increase from the last budget to this budget        1:2—one sala is to two prosecutors. So, it is not yet quantified.
with regard to the number of people that they have hired from     As I said, the ideal ratio is 1:2, one sala with two prosecutors.
last year to this year for the DOJ?
                                                                     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). The Office of the Solicitor
               SUSPENSION OF SESSION                              General is also under your family. Is that correct, Mr. Speaker?

     REP. SAN LUIS. May I ask for a two-minute suspension              REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, the Office of the Solicitor General
of the session, Mr. Speaker.                                      is an attached agency for budget purposes only, Mr. Speaker.

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session                   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). For budget for purposes only.
is suspended.
                                                                      REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
     It was 6:41 p.m.
                                                                      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, you have no supervision
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                              and control.

     At 6:43 p.m., the session was resumed.                           REP. SAN LUIS. Supervision and control, none.
                                                                  Supervision only, no control.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session
is resumed.                                                           REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). No supervision and no
                                                                  control.
     REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, I was just informed that,
as a matter of fact, the number of positions decreased due to         REP. SAN LUIS. No, Mr. Speaker. We only have
retirement.                                                       supervision, but no control.

    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). The number of positions                      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So supervision only.
decreased?
                                                                      REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. SAN LUIS. Yes. But they are already filling it up.
                                                                       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I just hear the comment
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Is the Gentleman saying that            of the Sponsor, especially the Secretary of Justice, with regard
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to the batting average of the Office of the Solicitor General         REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
with the cases being presented in the Supreme Court, where        recognize the Hon. Rufus Rodriguez from the Second District
they always have one failure after another at the hands of the    of Cagayan de Oro for his interpellation or manifestation.
highest court.
                                                                      THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Hon.
               SUSPENSION OF SESSION                              Rufus Rodriguez is hereby recognized.

    REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, may we have one-minute                 REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
suspension of the session.                                             Distinguished Sponsor, before my short manifestation,
                                                                  there is no interpellation because I support entirely all the
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session               budget of the Department of Justice, and all the allied agencies
is suspended.                                                     and members of the family. (Applause) But I think we should
                                                                  recognize the fact that we have here an outstanding Secretary
    It was 6:47 p.m.                                              of Justice in the person of Secretary de Lima. (Applause)
                                                                  The members of the entire family are here—the Asst.
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                              Secretaries; the Usecs; the Prosecutor General, Claro
                                                                  Arellano; the heads of agencies, especially my former
    At 6:49 p.m., the session was resumed.                        employer, the Bureau of Immigration and Deportation with
                                                                  Commissioner Ricardo David, the former AFP Chief of Staff.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session               We also have the Immigration Office Association of the
is resumed.                                                       Philippines, the Buklod and the Association of ACOs of the
                                                                  Philippines. (Applause)
     REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, the greater majority,                 We just like to manifest, Mr. Speaker, that we thank
marami po sa mga high-profile cases, I mean government            Commissioner David wholeheartedly first for his support, for
policy cases of the SolGen, ay naipanalo. Maybe the Lady          the continuation of the payment by airlines and shipping…
from Zambales is referring to the high-profile cases.
                                                                      REP. APOSTOL. Mr. Speaker, point of order.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, Mr. Speaker. I am starting
with Executive Order No. 1 down to the TRO of the Supreme             THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). What is the
Court. I am sure the Sponsor knows what I am talking about.       point of order of the Honorable Apostol?

    REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                   REP. APOSTOL. May I know if the Gentleman is
                                                                  interpellating or praising the Department of Justice? We are
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, if the DOJ has supervision          now in the period of interpellation and not praising everybody.
over the OSG, can the DOJ not help the OSG in trying to
build a stronger defense in the Supreme Court, because                REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). We are now manifesting, Mr.
sometimes, it does not look nice that the government always       Speaker.
loses in the Supreme Court? May I just ask, is it within the
power of the DOJ Secretary and its family to assist in building       THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
a strong case, especially in the oral arguments in the Supreme    Gentleman from Cagayan de Oro City is manifesting, but I
Court, para naman po magkaroon ng magandang batting               think he is just laying the predicate for his further remarks
average ang OSG.                                                  about the department. We are allowed to manifest in the budget
                                                                  hearings.
    REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker. I think the good
Secretary naman is helping the Office of the SolGen.                   REP. RODRIGUEZ (R.). Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       We thank the Commissioner for the support, for the
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, she is helping?                      amendment to the Immigration Law wherein we will sustain
                                                                  and continue with the payment of the overtime pay to our
    REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                              immigration officers in all our airports and seaports. So, we
                                                                  thank Commissioner David for that position paper which he
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay, I will not comment na             holds here, that the new amendment will therefore be to
lang. Anyway, Mr. Speaker, though I have other questions, I       continue the overtime pay for our immigration officers.
would rather leave it to my other colleagues in the Minority      Therefore, we also thank the Secretary of Justice and the
to ask the other pertinent questions with regard to the budget    Commissioner of Immigration that these offloading of
of the DOJ.                                                       thousands of our workers and our tourists leaving for abroad
     May I just thank the distinguished Sponsor for his time.     will now be reconsidered, Mr. Speaker, and that we will
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.                                 therefore allow our Filipinos and Filipinas to leave our
                                                                  country, to be able to work abroad or to tour different countries
    REP. SAN LUIS. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.                        or to visit their loved ones.
                                                                       Mr. Speaker, because of the commitments of the
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.                    Secretary of Justice, including the commitment regarding the
Majority Leader is recognized.                                    pensioners of the National Power Corporation, I therefore
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end my manifestation by stating my full support for the entire       So, nagmungkahi po ako na kung maaari ay bigyan na
budget of the DOJ and all its allied agencies.                   ng authority at i-beef-up ang dalawang ahensya ng gobyerno,
    Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. (Applause)                 meaning, ang BIR at Customs, na i-deretso na nila; sila na
                                                                 ang mag-represent ng kaso sa Court of Tax Appeals. Pumayag
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.                   na po ang DOJ—bagama’t sila ho ay talagang super-loaded
Majority Leader is recognized.                                   na ng kaso— na iyon pong trabaho ng prosecution patungkol
                                                                 sa buwis ay maging organic sa dalawang ahensiya ng
               SUSPENSION OF SESSION                             gobyerno, the Bureau of Customs and the Bureau of Internal
                                                                 Revenue.
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. I move that we suspend the session              Ano po ang posisyon ng ating magiting na Kalihim?
for a few minutes.
                                                                     REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, the DOJ Secretary is in
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session              favor of deputizing lawyers from the BIR and the BOC in
is suspended.                                                    handling the cases in the Court of Tax Appeals, but under the
                                                                 general supervision and control of the DOJ. In the preliminary
     It was 6:55 p.m.                                            investigation, I think it is the primary duty of the DOJ to
                                                                 handle the preliminary investigation of the cases, Mr. Speaker.
               RESUMPTION OF SESSION
                                                                      REP. SUAREZ. So, the distinguished Secretary is coming
     At 7:06 p.m., the session was resumed.                      up with a half-way proposition to expedite, then you will
                                                                 deputize the lawyers of the two agencies. Nevertheless, the
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session              intention of the good Secretary is that the control of the
is resumed.                                                      prosecution still stays with the DOJ.

    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                      REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
recognize the Hon. Danilo Suarez from the Third District of
Quezon for his interpellation.                                        REP. SUAREZ. Can we have the assurance from the
                                                                 Secretary that in the event that Congress comes up with a
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Hon.                 decision to amend the law, the lady representing the Justice
Danilo Suarez from the Third District of Quezon is recognized    Department will understand that the intention is to expedite
for his interpellation.                                          prosecution, and the subject is taxes, which is our lifeline.
                                                                 So, kung sakali man pong dumating iyong punto na manaig
     REP. SUAREZ. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, distinguished          ang kagustuhan ng Kongreso at Senado na i-amend po at
Sponsor.                                                         ibigay na lang sa dalawang organic agencies iyong karapatan
     I just have three minor concerns. Number one, in the        ng prosecution, sana maunawaan ng Secretary at sumunod
interest of arresting our inefficiency with tax measures, this   na lang kung sakali pong maging batas.
Representation authored the creation of the Court of Tax
Appeals. Alam po naman siguro ng ating magiting na Kalihim                      SUSPENSION OF SESSION
iyong palundag-lundag na mga tax cases from the
metropolitan, to the regional, to the CTA, and to the Supreme       REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, can I have again a one-
Court. Iyon pong batas, ang sabi ay any tax cases will be        minute suspension of the session, please.
resolved and decided only by one court and that is the Court
of Tax Appeals whose decision will be final and executory             THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session
and can only be elevated to the Supreme Court, in case there     is suspended.
is a question of law.
     Tama po ba ako, distinguished Sponsor?                          It was 7:13 p.m.

     REP. SAN LUIS. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                           RESUMPTION OF SESSION

     REP. SUAREZ. Ang isa ho na aking nakikita, if I raise           At 7:14 p.m., the session was resumed.
the issue of the success story of the two agencies, the BIR
and the Customs, in terms of tax cases, some reasons why              THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session
we lost on some of these cases are technicalities: hindi         is resumed.
tamang pag-attend ng hearing, nahuhuli ng submission ng
papers. I feel na napakahirap po sa isang ahensya na siya              REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, I think I have answered
ang nag-prepare ng kaso, ni-ready lahat iyong mga                that question a while ago. Well, the preliminary investigation,
supporting papers with high confidence of winning the case,      of course, still rests on the DOJ, but if Congress will pass a
ngunit pagdating po sa korte, the case will be represented       law, I think, it will be the wisdom of the Legislature already.
by a state prosecutor, someone from the DOJ who really           Still, they will help us in crafting that law, Mr. Speaker.
knows nothing on the case from Adam, meaning, saka lang
ho niya babasahin iyan kapag mag-i-start na po ng                    REP. SUAREZ. Well, I am satisfied with the answer.
prosecution on the tax case.                                         May I just go to the next case. Distinguished
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Sponsor, during the last six years that you and I were                 REP. SUAREZ. Simple estafa. I am not a lawyer but I
part of Congress and we conducted hearings on oversight            think it was downgraded and because of that, those accused
functions especially on dangerous drugs, we noticed                were allowed to leave the country. Before, they were in the
very dismaying and disappointing cases wherein we                  hold departure list of the Immigration.
always lose in a case that involves illegal drugs. Can
we just have the assurance of the new Secretary that                    REP. SAN LUIS. I think, Mr. Speaker, the elements
this time, it will be a no-nonsense policy of the                  present in that commission were not present to have a case
department that those who are accused…                             filed for syndicated estafa, because there is a need to review
                                                                   the existing laws; and another thing, gambling is not included
     REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, I myself will agree with          nga po in estafa.
you on that because even in my district, I have been
continuously supporting the anti-drug campaign. As a                    REP. SUAREZ. Mr. Speaker, we can debate till the wee
matter of fact, I talked to the PNP Director General this          hours of the morning on this, but nothing will happen. I just
afternoon because I am following up the cases from my              would like to have a handwritten explanation from no less
district.                                                          than the good Secretary to explain to us and satisfy our
                                                                   concern on this, because what is involved here is P400 million
     REP. SUAREZ. We hope that by next year, the same              of taxpayers’ money. We cannot take that for granted. That is
month, we can see some positive result in the effort of the        even a case of plunder for those who may be an accomplice,
department. Just for the information of the good Secretary,        because dapat po ang imbestigasyon ay malaman na rin
we have some very bad news that the price of shabu in the          sapagkat napakalaki na ng amount. Dapat maaari na rin mag-
market has gone down, and that means more users, more              initiate ng investigation para sa PAGCOR, sa BI, kung bakit
pushers, and more cases. Therefore, we just would like to get      pinalabas at bakit pinababa ang kaso from syndicated to
the assurance from the Department that they will be more           simple estafa. Being a non-lawyer, I am not prepared to
vigilant in this particular issue, considering that they will      debate. I am just expressing my concern as a member of the
handle the prosecution.                                            Minority.
                                                                        With that, Mr. Speaker, we hope that in next year’s
    REP. SAN LUIS. I have been informed by the good                hearing, same time next year, same month next year, we can
Secretary, Mr. Speaker, that they have already formed a task       see some favorable results as I have seen. We have seen the
force on the anti-illegal drugs.                                   money now for what we are asking, because in a while, they
                                                                   will approve it, but we would like to see the output next
     REP. SUAREZ. My last concern, distinguished Sponsor,          year.
is the case of Ben Lui, the Singaporean lawyer who, I                   So, thank you, Mr. Speaker, distinguished Sponsor, and
understand, passed away several weeks ago in China, but            on behalf of the Minority, there being no more Members who
managed to get some P400 million of winnings through               would like to interpellate, we will be joining the Majority in
cheating in our government-owned casino, “government” not          the motion to approve the budget of the Judiciary for 2012.
the private casino. Doon lang ho siya naglaro sa government             Thank you. Mr. Speaker.
casino. From a syndicated estafa, it was reduced to a case of
simple theft.                                                          REP. SAN LUIS. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Applause)
     May I know the reason? Alam po ninyo, ang natalo po
roon sa sugal ay ang gobyerno at iyon pong perang natalo ay           THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.
pera ng taumbayan, sapagkat ang bangka po sa casino ay ang         Majority Leader is recognized.
gobyerno.
                                                                       REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
    REP. SAN LUIS. Mr. Speaker, I was informed by the              recognize the honorable Minority Leader Edcel Lagman.
prosecutor general that gambling is not included in the
syndicated estafa and there were only three respondents.               THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
                                                                   honorable Minority Leader is recognized.
    REP. SUAREZ. Mr. Speaker, we have seen in the
videotape presentation on how our casino was cheated.                   REP. LAGMAN. Mr. Speaker, the Minority is ready to
                                                                   join the Majority in the proper motion to terminate the period
    REP. SAN LUIS. Yes.                                            of interpellation and debate on the proposed budget of the
                                                                   Department of Justice, including its attached agencies, except
     REP. SUAREZ. Can we just give due consideration to            for the Office of the Solicitor General. (Applause)
the fact that P400 million can do a lot of things for our line
agency that is in dire need of funds? They were caught in the         THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Dep.
act of cheating, so the question was that the first action was a   Majority Leader is recognized.
valid action. They were arrested and because the charge is
not bailable, it is syndicated estafa, there was an order to            REP. GUNIGUNDO. We therefore move, Mr. Speaker,
reduce the charge from syndicated estafa to simple theft which     that we terminate the period of interpellation and debate on
is bailable.                                                       the proposed budget of the Department of Justice, including
                                                                   its attached agencies, except for the Office of the Solicitor
    REP. SAN LUIS. Simple estafa, Mr. Speaker.                     General.
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     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). There is a                    REP. NAVA. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
concurring motion filed by the Majority and the Minority to           Once again, we are here ready to defend the budget of
terminate the period of interpellation and debate on the          the Department of Social Welfare and Development.
proposed budget of the Department of Justice and its attached         Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
agencies, except for the Office of the Solicitor General. Is
there any objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the              REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
motion is approved.                                               recognize the Hon. Mitos Magsaysay, from the First District
                                                                  of Zambales, for her interpellation.
               SUSPENSION OF SESSION
                                                                     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                  Honorable Magsaysay of Zambales is recognized.
suspend the session for a few minutes to allow the DOJ family
to exit the plenary hall.                                             REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Thank you very much, Mr.
                                                                  Speaker.
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session                   Good evening to our distinguished Sponsor,
is suspended.                                                     Congressman Nava from Guimaras, and the DSWD family.

     It was 7:24 p.m.                                                 REP. NAVA. Thank you.

               RESUMPTION OF SESSION                                    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I just would like to ask about
                                                                  the method in how the money is being disbursed to the
     At 7:28 p.m., the session was resumed.                       beneficiaries. We know that sometimes they do over-the-
                                                                  counter transactions through the LandBank of the Philippines
     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The session               and sometimes through the ATMs. May I know, at this point,
is resumed.                                                       if the DSWD has already come up with the list of beneficiaries
     The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.                      who received the grants under the 4Ps through over-the-
                                                                  counter transactions with the LandBank of the Philippines?
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, before we move on               Have they been given the DSWD certification or a list as to
to the next department, may we acknowledge the presence in        how much was being disbursed through the counters through
the gallery of the guests of the Hon. Angelo B. Palmones.         LandBank?

     THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Please proceed.                REP. NAVA. I think the DSWD had already come up
                                                                  with the list, as noted by the COA, a few years ago, as far as
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. They are the officers of the                 the number of beneficiaries is concerned. So far, on top of
National Confederation of Barangay Health Workers of the          the over-the-counter transactions, there are modifications
Philippines for years 2011 to 2014. We have its President,        recently that the LandBank and the DSWD had instituted, I
Ermelinda Abadiano of Region VII; its External Vice               mean, some changes on the disbursement of cash grants to
President, Serafin M. Formarejo of Region VI; its Internal        beneficiaries. Recently, they involved some other institutions
Vice President, Josefina P. Say of the National Capital Region;   to disburse these cash grants. Among them are Globe Remit,
its Secretary, Salve A. Gaytano of Region IV-A; its Treasurer,    rural banks, as well as cooperatives.
Zenaida P. Pulido of Region I; its Auditor, Sarah Caare-Vestal         So, there are four additional methods that are being used
of Region X; its PRO, Remedios J. Caraca of Region VIII;          to disburse cash grants other than the ATM, rather, three more
and its Board of Directors, namely: Lucia Canto of Region         other than the over-the-counter and the ATM. We have the
VII, Julia K. De Veyra of Region VIII, Virginia F. Destor of      Globe Remit, rural banks, or the offsite and the cash cards,
Region VII, Merlyn Figueroa of Region VI, and Guia T. Ilustre     Mr. Speaker.
of Region III. (Applause)
                                                                       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I just ask what is the
   THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). Kayo po ay                  procedure in choosing conduit banks to give CCT cash
magalak naming tinatanggap sa Mababang Kapulungan ng              grants. Do they have to undergo a bidding process for them
Kongreso ng Republika ng Pilipinas. (Applause)                    to qualify a certain rural bank in a certain town before they
   The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.                        can say, “Okay, you can be a conduit bank for releasing
                                                                  CCT funds?”
     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
resume the consideration of the proposed budget for the                REP. NAVA. It is the LandBank that clears these
Department of Social Welfare and Development, and for this        institutions, Mr. Speaker.
purpose, I move that we recognize the distinguished Sponsor
of the measure, the Hon. Joaquin Rahman Nava from the Lone             REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, how do we get the best
District of Guimaras.                                             rates as far as charges being issued—charged by the rural
                                                                  banks for being the conduit of releasing the funds?
    THE DEPUTY SPEAKER (Rep. Remulla). The Hon.
Rahman Nava from the Lone District of Guimaras is hereby             REP. NAVA. I think the DSWD transacts with the
recognized to sponsor the budget of the DSWD .                    LandBank and then the DSWD just pays the LandBank for
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the service. Through a MOA, it is the LandBank’s obligation       families. But with regard to the 2012 budget, since it already
to accredit, identify other institutions or conduits that would   increased almost two-fold from the original amount in 2011,
enhance the disbursement of cash grants among the                 how come the increase is only 700,000 families? Does the
beneficiaries of conditional cash transfer.                       Sponsor not think that it should be, at least, roughly in the
                                                                  amount of probably two million families, from 2.3 million to
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I ask how fast does the              4.3 million families in 2012, considering that for the budget
LandBank give the DSWD the list of who were the                   of 2011, we were supposed to cover 2.3 million households
beneficiaries for that month, so that they can do a proper        with just P21.9 billion?
accounting of the money being released on a monthly basis .
                                                                       REP. NAVA. As we have explained earlier, Mr. Speaker,
     REP. NAVA. It takes usually about a month for LandBank       the conduct of enrolling the beneficiaries, particularly for
to inform the Department of the names or beneficiaries that       2012, is on a staggered basis. For the month of January, a
received the cash grants, Mr. Speaker.                            certain number will be enrolled, slowly; for the month of June,
                                                                  another group will be enrolled up to the month of September.
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). There was a time in my district         So, we have a total of 2.2 million beneficiaries as of this
wherein LandBank already was in the city hall and that it was     September.
not an over-the-counter transaction. How do we know the
account? Since the money has already been out of the bank             REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). 2.2 million?
and my constituents lined up to get the grant, what about kung
mayroong absent? What happens to the excess funds that are            REP. NAVA. Yes.
already out of the bank and in the hands of the officers when
they were disbursing the funds? What happens to those funds           REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, when you say ...
that are not claimed by CCT beneficiaries for some reason or
another?                                                               REP. NAVA. So, for that matter, Mr. Speaker, by January
                                                                  next year, all of these 2.3 million will be subsidized or will
     REP. NAVA. It stays with the bank, Mr. Speaker,              receive cash grants up to December. So, that makes the
considering that the LandBank is the main disbursing              discrepancy.
institution of the cash grants. They only inform the DSWD
on who received the cash grants so that proper monitoring              REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I just ask, because when
can be achieved.                                                  it was explained to us last year in the budget process, we
                                                                  were made to understand that the P21.9 billion would cover
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I ask if we also use                 2.3 million families who will benefit from the CCT Program
NGOs in implementing this project? Which NGOs are                 starting January 2011 up to December 2011.
accredited to do a partnership with the DSWD in
implementing the CCT program?                                          REP. NAVA. It is not, Mr. Speaker. It was made clear
                                                                  that it will be on a staggered basis.
    REP. NAVA. There are 225 NGOs in the list of the
DSWD that help out as volunteers in monitoring, as well as              REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Well, maybe it would be best
during the conduct of family assemblies or beneficiary            that the DSWD comes up with a table that will show us how
assemblies.                                                       many families for January, February and March, until it builds
                                                                  up to P21.9 billion. When we were asking about the budget
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Are there any funds being               last year, you gave us the impression that we are already going
released by the DSWD to these NGOs, LGUs and GOCCs in             to cover 2.3 million households in January. But now you are
helping monitor the implementation of the CCT program?            telling me that it is only building up from January to December
                                                                  until you hit 2.3 million households, that is why it is P21.9
    REP. NAVA. There are no funds involved as far as the          billion. Kindly explain that to us in more concrete terms.
conduct of monitoring by these NGOs, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. NAVA. I think it was made clear last budget hearing,
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, how do the NGOs or the              Mr. Speaker, that the way it was conducted in 2010 was the
LGUs participate in this endeavor, considering that it will       same as it was conducted this year, that the enrollment will
also cost them some expense in trying to help monitor the         be on a staggered basis, and not the whole targeted number
CCT funds?                                                        to be outrightly enrolled by the first month of the issuing
                                                                  year. As noted on set one, set four, we have a group; the
     REP. NAVA. The NGOs that are usually involved are            650,000 were initially enrolled on the first half of the year.
locally based. It is one way for the Department to be             That is from January to June and then succeedingly another
transparent in the conduct of the program, and these NGOs         650,000 sometime in July until September were again
help out to guarantee that this program is implemented            enrolled. That makes up the 1.3 million for this year, Mr.
efficiently and effectively, Mr. Speaker.                         Speaker.

    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I noticed that for the 2012                   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, I know you said that it is
budget, the amount for the CCT program increased                  on a staggered basis but can you come out with a qualitative
tremendously, from P21.9 billion to P39 billion for 2.3 million   result? For example, if you say you enrolled one million
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families in January, how much is the cost of that? Now, if you       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Eighty two percent.
move to February, and you added P300,000, how much was
the incremental increase until you hit P21.9 billion in              REP. NAVA. … of the budget will be disbursed.
December 2011 because when we were discussing this with
you last year, that was the assumption that we were already           REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, how come you asked for
taking. That is why we do not understand why all of a sudden,    an additional budget of P1 million plus for this year
there is a huge jump from P21.9 to P39 billion something.        considering that the ceiling for the CCT was only P21.9
                                                                 billion?
     REP. NAVA. From January to June, for set four, that
is this year, 650,411 beneficiaries. The total amount that            REP. NAVA. This is due to the movement of the
was disbursed this period is P4,173,000,000—the total            schedule. It was moved ahead as it was initially projected.
cash grants. There were some advances as far as the              As mentioned earlier, the initial first batch which is the
enrolment is concerned. The original schedule was to enroll      650,411, instead of enrolling them somewhere in June, the
the first group of beneficiaries from June to December and       initial part were enrolled. As I said, out of the 334,477,000—
then another group from October to December, but what            434,477 were enrolled in January. That made the log of about
transpired for this year is that from January to June, there     P1.4 billion.
was already an initial enrolment of about 334,477
beneficiaries.                                                        REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Mr. Speaker, I was listening
                                                                 to some of the Mindanao legislators earlier with regard to
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes. And how much is that               that PAMANA. Is that not a form of CCT also in the Muslim
from January to June?                                            areas?

     REP. NAVA. The total cost is P1,429,552,900.                    REP. NAVA. No, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). You only enrolled 370,000                   REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). It does not provide a grant
plus families.                                                   also.

     REP. NAVA. With this 334,477,000.                                REP. NAVA. It is composed of two sets of program, the
                                                                 Pillar 1 and the Pillar 2. The Pillar 1 amounting to P220 would
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). You increased.                         deal on the shelter side while the remaining amount, Pillar 2,
                                                                 will deal on the livelihood programs for these victims, Mr.
    REP. NAVA. Then somewhere in April, another set was          Speaker.
enrolled totaling to 326,619.
                                                                      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Who are the beneficiaries for
      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So far, how much money is             this? Because I noticed that for the Muslim Mindanao …
left in the CCT program for 2011, for cash grants? Because…
                                                                     REP. NAVA. This is intended for the victims of areas of
    REP. NAVA. After September, the grants that will be out      conflict, Mr. Speaker.
have totaled to somewhere 82 percent, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay, and when you say areas
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Eighty two percent.                    of conflict, I am sure that the ARMM is part of that. Is that
                                                                 correct?
     REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                     REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, you are expecting by
January of next year that you already reached the target of          REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay. So, may I know how
2.3 million households.                                          much is allocated, because I noticed that in the 2012 budget,
                                                                 the ARMM got the highest with P4.2 billion for the CCT
     REP. NAVA. Actually, we already did this month.             program. Now, if you include the PAMANA which will be
                                                                 given to areas of conflict, do you not think that you are just
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). You already did this month.            duplicating the benefits that people there will get?

     REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                     REP. NAVA. Not necessarily. I suppose that the
                                                                 beneficiaries of the CCT and the PAMANA are not exactly
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). And you already disbursed               the same. It may possibly be the same in some instance, but
82 percent.                                                      not all, I suppose.

     REP. NAVA. By the end of September.                              REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, but what happens when,
                                                                 let us say, in a war-torn area or a conflict area, you were able
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). By the end of September.               to identify the poorest of the poor in that area. They are already
                                                                 benefiting from the PAMANA program, but you will still be
     REP. NAVA. Eighty two percent …                             providing CCT to these families.
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    REP. NAVA. I believe so, but the PAMANA is a different        Region V and Region Vl, as having the highest budgets? Was
program, and its packages of benefits are different from the      it because there were more poorest of the poor in those areas
CCT, Mr. Speaker.                                                 or did you use other considerations for choosing these places?

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). When you say Region V, what                 REP. NAVA. The initial identification of the CCT
area is Region V? Is that Panay islands?                          program is also conducted based on the geographical
                                                                  incidence of poverty through the small area estimates
    REP. NAVA. Bicol area.                                        conducted by the National Statistical Coordination
                                                                  Board (NSCB) in 2003. This is coupled by the family
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Bicol area. And when you                 income and expenditure survey conducted in 2006. That
say Region Vl, that is the …                                      formed eventually the National Household Targeting
                                                                  System. So, to be part of the program, geographical
    REP. NAVA. Western Visayas area.                              identification of the poorest provinces was first
                                                                  identified.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). That is your area?
                                                                      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). When you say Bicol Region
    REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                  and the Panay Islands, do you consider them as the poorest
                                                                  provinces?
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay. When we talked about
hunger and poverty index, we noticed that the hunger index            REP. NAVA. I think most of the CCTs are in Mindanao.
only went down in greater Luzon and Metro Manila, but based
on the SWS survey—the one that was conducted earlier this               REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Well, if you are saying that
year—we noticed that there was a spike in the increase in         most of the CCTs are in Mindanao, then how come in the
poverty cases in the Visayas and Mindanao. May I know             poverty survey done in the same period, they also said that
whether these areas where—because some people say that            the high incidence of poverty in Greater Luzon went down,
because of the CCT program, the hunger index went down.           in the Visayas it remained the same, but the incidence in
What I am trying to establish is, how is it that in the Visayas   Mindanao and Metro Manila went up. So, if the Gentleman
and Mindanao which are also CCT beneficiaries, the hunger         is telling me that the CCT program was concentrated also in
incidence went up?                                                Mindanao, then how come the poverty incidence in Mindanao
                                                                  went up? How come in Metro Manila, which is heavily
     REP. NAVA. May we know the time and the period when          bombarded with CCT programs in urban areas, the poverty
the survey was conducted and what survey was that, Mr.            incidence also went up?
Speaker?
                                                                      REP. NAVA. Geographically, Mindanao accounts for
       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I think it was done in March          48.77 percent.
of 2011 or the latest one wherein from 20, it became 15, but
it is only in Metro Manila and greater Luzon that the incidence       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Of the CCT budget?
of hunger went down. For the rest of the country, it went up.
                                                                      REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker, of the beneficiaries
    REP. NAVA. I was informed that was the time when the          identified.
Visayas—particularly, I think, the eastern side of the
Visayas—and Mindanao were experiencing floods.                         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). That is exactly my point, Mr.
                                                                  Sponsor. When the poverty survey was done, it indicated that
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I think the period I am talking          in Mindanao and Metro Manila, which also had a high
about is sometime in May; the survey was conducted in May.        concentration of CCT beneficiaries, instead of going down,
                                                                  the poverty incidence went up by five to seven percent. In
     REP. NAVA. Yes, that was the time, I believe, that these     other words, the CCT failed in trying to alleviate the people
areas were experiencing floods. I suppose that had triggered      out of poverty, because the statistics has showed otherwise.
the spike in the increase of hunger cases in those areas.         Even the hunger statistics also showed otherwise.

    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). But I think Typhoon Falcon                  REP. NAVA. I think the NCR is only 2.88 percent of
occurred in June, not in May.                                     CCT beneficiaries.

     REP. NAVA. I know that there were flooding in the                REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). 2.88 percent?
eastern side of the Visayas and Mindanao, but I am not sure
when it happened. We are trying to check it out, but as far as        REP. NAVA. Yes.
our information is concerned, that spike was triggered by the
flooding in these areas, Mr. Speaker.                                 REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). How come in Mindanao?

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Why did you consider these                   REP. NAVA. In terms of area according to islands, Luzon
three places that I mentioned as the ones topping the CCT         Visayas and Mindanao, Mindanao has 48.77 percent, Visayas
budget? What were the criteria for choosing the ARMM,             has 21.54 percent, and Luzon has 29.69 percent. The highest
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in Luzon is the Bicol Region, Region V, representing 11.5           DepEd and the DepEd’s support commitments on the CCT-
percent. In the Visayas, it is the Western Visayas Region           covered areas are the following: 837 classrooms, 155,394
closely followed by the Eastern Visayas, with 7.75 and 7.53         seats, 68,025,434 textbooks, 1,425 toilets, 604 teachers and
percent respectively, and Central Visayas with 6.26 percent.        38,084 school-feeding programs.
In Mindanao, the highest is the ARMM with 13.05 percent.
This is followed by Region X with 9.06 percent. The least in             REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Mr. Speaker, when the
Mindanao is Region XI with 5.44 percent, Mr. Speaker.               Sponsor says “DepEd commitment,” has it been implemented
                                                                    or is it just a commitment? Meaning, they plan to do that.
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). That is why, Mr. Sponsor, I
am asking you, if Mindanao was heavily given CCT                        REP. NAVA. This is an ongoing program, Mr. Speaker.
beneficiaries with P1,400 monthly, how come the poverty
and the hunger incidence in Mindanao went up instead of                  REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). No, Mr. Speaker, the Sponsor
down? What will account now for the fact that you are already       already told us about the commitment. But I want to know
giving these people P1,400 monthly to nourish their children,       the actual number of the compliance rate of the DepEd as far
to at least provide food on the table, to give a little leeway as   as complying with the commitment to the CCT program.
far as having money to spend, but still the poverty and the
hunger incidence went up?                                                REP. NAVA. The information that reached us, Mr.
                                                                    Speaker, states that more than half of these commitments were
     REP. NAVA. We have here a survey conducted during              already realized. Unfortunately, we do not have the exact
the first and the second quarters of this year. For Luzon, it is    number right now. If the fair Lady from Zambales would
25 percent in the first quarter and 9.7 percent in the second       agree, we will be sending to her office the details of the
quarter; Metro Manila, 20.7 percent and 13 percent; Visayas,        realized accomplishments as far as the targets are concerned.
14.7 and 21 percent; and Mindanao, 16.7 percent and 21.7
percent, Mr. Speaker.                                                    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, I will appreciate that it
                                                                    if the necessary documents are sent to my office.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I ask what survey was
used …                                                                  REP. NAVA. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. NAVA. The SWS survey, Mr. Speaker.                             REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). My next question is with
                                                                    regard to the DOH. What is the commitment now of the DOH?
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). …because in the SWS, I am                 I was looking at the budget of the DOH for 2011 and 2012,
also citing the same one wherein it says that as far as hunger      and they even slashed the budget for rural enhancement
is concerned, it went up in the Visayas and in Mindanao.            programs for 2012. How will we now accomplish and make
                                                                    sure that the local, the RHUs nationwide will have adequate
    REP. NAVA. Mr. Speaker, we had typhoons that came in            equipment, medicines, birthing facilities, injectibles, vitamins,
during that period.                                                 doctors, midwives and nurses to comply with the convergence
                                                                    theory that if the mother and the child go to the RHU, they
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, the Sponsor will also use              will be provided with the healthcare that they need, aside
the excuse that because of the typhoons, they became                from the P500 that the mother will get monthly.
impoverished, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                        REP. NAVA. As of this year, 2011, the Department of
    REP. NAVA. There were reports of flooding in that area          Health has deployed 10,000 nurses that include 907 CCT
which triggered the spike of hunger in the said area, Mr.           areas. They also deployed 553 physicians in the hard-to-
Speaker.                                                            reach areas under the Doctors to the Barrios Program. They
                                                                    also deployed 173 rural health midwives. They supplied
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). With regard to the                        schools with 7,180,000 deworming tablets. Vaccines were
convergence of the DSWD with the Department of Health               given to all health centers under the Pantawid areas and
and the DepEd, may I know what is the update on the                 PhilHealth cards were given to Pantawid Pamilya
convergence of the three departments? We all know that the          beneficiaries.
rationale of the CCT is to provide classrooms, to make sure
that the children go to school. May I know the increment of              REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). The budget of the DOH for
increase in the number of students enrolled, plus if the DepEd      procuring vitamins and medicines is only P1 billion which
was able to match it with additional classrooms, books,             they have to divide into 80 plus provinces nationwide. May
blackboards, and teachers to augment the increase in enrollees      I know how are we assured by our municipal link officers. I
due to the CCT program.                                             am sure they go around the RHUs just to check whether the
                                                                    mother goes to the rural health unit for attendance. Probably,
                                                                    there is a nurse, but they do not really look into the condition
     REP. NAVA. As far as the DOH is concerned…                     of the mother, on whether she is malnourished or whether
                                                                    she is pregnant, if she is given the proper prenatal care or
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Sa DepEd muna po tayo.                    not, or if there is a lack of vitamins like calcium, iron,
                                                                    multivitamins and the like, just to comply with the CCT
     REP. NAVA. We have some commitments from the                   program.
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    If the child goes to the RHU due to sickness, how sure         the CCT program with almost five million beneficiaries at
are we that with just P1 billion, that is already enough to        that period.
give adequate medicines to children once they go for their
weekly check-up in the RHUs just to comply with the CCT                 REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). What I am trying to drive at,
program?                                                           Mr. Speaker, is if the rationale for giving the CCT is to
                                                                   alleviate the plight of the poor—I would assume that after
     REP. NAVA. The program, although it focuses on the            two years of giving them dole-outs of P1,400.00 monthly—
preventive aspect, the extra PhilHealth cards, can help out        we also give them a supplemental livelihood program that
the beneficiaries when it pertains to the curative aspect. On      will help them become emancipated, have a job and earn an
the monitoring, I suppose it is not the municipal links that do    income of their own.
this, but rather, it is part of the contribution of local               The question now is, how come imbes na bumaba ang
government units, through their health personnel, like the rural   numero ng mga poorest of the poor, ang tina-target natin ay
health physicians, the municipal health officer, the municipal     tumaas pa? Considering na binigyan na ng PhilHealth card,
midwives, as well as the barangay health workers, Mr.              binigyan na ng dole-out program at binigyan pa ng livelihood
Speaker.                                                           project.

     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). But when we say preventive,                  REP. NAVA. This is a five-year program, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, when a mother is pregnant and she goes to the
rural health unit, does it mean to say that the doctor will just       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). That is exactly the point, Mr.
look at the mother? What if she is malnourished or anemic,         Speaker.
will we not give her Feosol or Caldece for calcium and
multivitamins to ensure that the mother and the baby inside             REP. NAVA. The first group will graduate by 2013 which
the womb will become safe once she delivers?                       is composed of about 300,000 plus beneficiaries, Mr. Speaker.

     REP. NAVA. There is a regular check-up as far as prenatal          REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). That is exactly my point, Mr.
is concerned, I believe. It is initiated by the regular standard   Speaker. Looking at the table provided by the DSWD, I was
operating procedure as far as laboratory requirements are          expecting that after two, three or four years of giving them
concerned like the CBC and urinalysis. I think on the first,       monthly dole-outs, giving them PhilHealth cards and giving
second and the third trimester of pregnancy, there are standard    them livelihood programs where they can earn their own
things that are being done. Supplements, if necessary, are         income, they will be able to graduate from being in the poorest
given, particularly the iron supplement.                           of the poor category, and perhaps be elevated to the poor or
                                                                   middle or lower middle category. But the way we are
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Mr. Speaker, in case a mother            projecting the program is as if parang walang nangyayari.
is indigent, that is why she is a beneficiary of the CCT, where    Binigyan na nga sila ng lahat ng ayuda, lahat ng assistance,
will she get the money for laboratory tests like urinalysis and    pero still, pagdating ng 2016, tataas pa lalo ang bilang ng
fecalysis? Is that part of the CCT program?                        poorest of the poor families to 5.2 million.

    REP. NAVA. I think most of the municipal health offices            REP. NAVA. If I may be allowed to explain further, Mr.
have the facility and with the outpatient program of the           Speaker.
PhilHealth, that takes care of it, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Sure, Mr. Speaker.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Are we being told that 100
percent of the CCT beneficiaries are also PhilHealth                    REP. NAVA. I think we should not lose sight of the target
cardholders?                                                       of the CCT, which is to keep the children in school 85 percent
                                                                   of the time; and the health objectives for the mother as well
     REP. NAVA. The budget for 2011 had secured that for           as the children, Mr. Speaker. These are the core
all Pantawid Pamilya beneficiaries, Mr. Speaker.                   responsibilities that were set up, and I think the CCT should
                                                                   be looked into the way it should be implemented.
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I ask what is the table                   On the side, we hope that through education, good
of the CCT. I am just noticing that through the years, the         nutrition and better health for the children, we would be
number of CCT beneficiaries has been decreasing, instead of        able to stop this inter-generational existence of poverty
increasing, Mr. Speaker.                                           among the very impoverished families in our country, Mr.
                                                                   Speaker.
     REP. NAVA. At this point, it is still increasing because
the target is still not met, Mr. Speaker.                               REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). That is why, Mr. Speaker, I
                                                                   understand what the Sponsor is telling us. The only reservation
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Yes, I know that the target, the          is, we already provided them. I mean we classified them and
one identified by the NHTS is 4.3 million families. But how        we identified them because we considered their living
come in 2016, we are already targeting 5.2 million families?       conditions right now. Ano ang income ni tatay kung meron,
                                                                   ni nanay kung meron, ilan ang anak? Kaya nga hindi lahat ng
   REP. NAVA. The peak, I think, would be achieved                 tao pwedeng maging beneficiary ng CCT kasi may certain
somewhere in 2015, Mr. Speaker. That would be the peak of          criteria tayo for choosing these families.
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      But the question is, we already gave them the dole-outs.     million poorest of the poor. That is why I am wondering why
Sabi nga ng Sponsor sa 2013 may graduates na ang programa,         by 2016, they identified 5.2 million families. At present, if I
meaning, whether they have alleviated their plight or their        am the one reading the table, it is like as if that years from
per capita income or their income per day in 2013 or not, we       now, we are expecting additional 900,000 families who will
cannot extend any help to them anymore kasi graduate na            be classified as poorest of the poor. So, imbes na gumaganda
sila. Whether they were able to get out of that poorest of the     ang buhay nila under this administration, naging mahirap sila,
poor bracket or not, graduate na sila. Sorry, they already         kaya 5.2 million families sa 2016. Kasi ang target ngayon,
consumed their five years. We have given them dole-outs and        na-identify ang 4.3 out of the 9 million families.
PhilHealth cards, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. NAVA. It is 5.2, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. NAVA. Those are grants, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). What is that?
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). We are already giving them a
livelihood project na pwede nilang pagkakitaan para umangat            REP. NAVA. The 5.2 figure is being targeted by the
sila sa buhay. Mr. Speaker, is the Sponsor telling us na ang       program as of now, Mr. Speaker.
tinarget nating poorest of the poor, dapat after a few years,
mawawala na sila sa category ng poorest of the poor at hindi           REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). But in the data being provided
na sila dapat ma-consider as a CCT beneficiary kasi ang            to us, it was identified by the NHTS that only 4.3 million
criteria dapat ay poorest of the poor. Mawawala na sila kasi       families are classified as poorest of the poor. So dapat we
may trabaho na sila.                                               only stick to the 4.3 million families. Kasi ang criteria lang
     Ito ang sinasabi sa atin na paliwanag, aside from the dole-   naman ay poorest of the poor, hindi ninyo naman isinama
outs, bibigyan ng kaakibat na livelihood project ang mga           iyong poor at saka upper poor kung meron sa criteria.
pamilya. When we say livelihood project, ibig sabihin
pagkakakitaan ng pamilya ang ibibigay na livelihood.                   REP. NAVA. The program recently projected 5.2, Mr.
     In other words, swerte na sila, may P1,400 na, kumikita       Speaker.
pa dahil may trabaho o mayroong maliit na hanapbuhay. Para
sa akin, dapat through the years, imbes na tumataas ang target         REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). What is that?
beneficiaries ng CCT, since we are addressing the poorest of
the poor sector, dapat mababawasan ito.                                REP. NAVA. The program recently projected 5.2 million
                                                                   beneficiaries under the CCT, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. NAVA. It will be, Mr. Speaker, eventually.
Unfortunately, we started with 300 in 2008, additional                 REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Because under...
300,000 plus beneficiaries in 2009 and an additional 400,000
plus beneficiaries in 2010. It is only this year that we have a         REP. NAVA. I suppose earlier, I think last year or maybe
big number that will be enrolled with an additional of 1.3         before that, the original number was 4.6, if I am not mistaken.
million beneficiaries.                                             Further evaluation had caused the department to increase this
     For which reason, if we try to look into the graph that the   number at 5.2. So, the accepted number now that would be
Lady is refering to, there will be only a few that will graduate   catered under the program, Mr. Speaker, will be 5.2 plus
by 2013, because there were only a few that were enrolled in       beneficiaries.
2008. So, there will be only a few that will be deducted from
the original list by 2014, while there will be more that will be        REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Well, that is the problem.
enrolled by that time, Mr. Speaker.                                Mr. Sponsor. In the data being given to us, it says here that
     Eventually, I suppose, once the big chunk—the year 2012       the National Household Targeting System for Poverty
is composed of about 1.3 million beneficiaries—would               Reduction in 2009, the DSWD identified 9,115,764,000
graduate by 2015 or 2016, we will find a reduction in the          households and subjected some 8,957,260,000 households
number of beneficiaries, as well as in the fund requirements       to the proxy means test, and from there, you were able to
of the program.                                                    identify 4.2 million households as poor. That is the reason
     The year 2015, as I said earlier, will be the peak of the     you targeted 4.2 million families which in a year to date we
program, that is why we need about P52 billion for this.           only have done 2.3 million families and by 2012 it will be 3
Eventually, by 2016, because the bulk of 1.3 million               million families.
beneficiaries will graduate, we can see a drop in the budgetary
requirement that will fall somewhere on the level of P40                REP. NAVA. In January this year, a reevaluation was
billion, plus because of the effects of the graduation of the1.3   conducted with other stakeholders, particularly the National
million beneficiaries. So, we will stay with the target of 5.2     Statistical Coordination Board. The reevaluation suggested
million, Mr. Speaker. By the time we totally enroll this 5.2       that the number is 5.2, Mr. Speaker, for which reason, the
and those that were earlier enrolled would eventually graduate,    targets were increased to 5.2. This is, in fact, reflected in the
then we can see that the number of beneficiaries that we will      number of beneficiaries being targeted as well through
eventually cater to in the years to come will slowly go down,      PhilHealth enrolment that will be subsidized by the
Mr. Speaker.                                                       government.

      REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). I am wondering why it is 5.2.               REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). May I just ask you because
It is because at year to date, they have only identified 4.3       the DSWD has complementing programs given to the CCT
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beneficiaries. You do not see a scenario wherein a certain       we are only given an hour, I found out that you will be
family was given a livelihood program such that they will be     removing the subsidy to NFA rice. I mean, kasi at present, all
able to earn income from that program; therefore, you can        our constituents, basta poor sila, they can avail of the NFA
already remove them in that category. That should be the ideal   rice at P27 or P25. But I read it somewhere na parang
situation. You just do not give dole-outs year in and year out   tatanggalin na iyong subsidy sa NFA and it will only be given
for five years. What you do is, you give them livelihood         again to the beneficiaries of the CCT program. Sila lang ang
projects where they can make money out of it, and then, you      parang pwedeng bumili ng bigas or bibigyan sila ng bigas sa
make them graduate from the program.                             halagang P25 at lahat ng hindi considered as a CCT
                                                                 beneficiary will have to suffer and pay rice at a higher rate of
     REP. NAVA. Precisely, Mr. Speaker, that is why a policy     P32 to P34. Hindi kaya lalong maghirap iyong kawawa
review will be conducted before the end of the year. There       namang iba na hindi natin na-identify sa CCT? Ang swerte
will be the expected initial graduates after 2013, in which      namang masyado ng mga na-identify sa CCT.
case, we had sought additional funding for the Self-                  Number one, iyong 3 million families na iyan, sobra mo
Employment Assistance Para sa Kaunlaran (SEA-K)                  nang inalagaan—may PhilHealth na, may P1,400 pa, may
Integrated Program that would cater eventually to the first      livelihood project pa, tapos bibigyan mo pa ng subsidy doon
group that would graduate by 2013.                               sa NFA rice. Sila lang ang pwedeng mag-avail ng P25 per
                                                                 kilo, pero iyong mga constituents naming iba na hindi naman
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, from the time          identified as a CCT beneficiary, they will be forced to pay
they sat in July 1, 2010 up to now, they have not given a        rice at P32 to P34.
partnership program between the families being given dole-            Like in my district, ang beneficiaries ko ng CCT nasa
outs and a livelihood project and check whether they were        1,000 plus lang po. Sa Olongapo City at saka iyong San
able to get out of that condition already.                       Marcelino, iyong Subic at Castillejos ko, walang CCT
                                                                 beneficiaries. Eh di lahat ng mga constituents ko roon na
     REP. NAVA. There were some that were given, but not         mahirap na hindi nag-qualify sa CCT, ang pakinabang na lang
all of those beneficiaries had already been in the process of    nila sa pamahalaan ay nakabibili sila ng bigas sa halagang
this convergence program, Mr. Speaker.                           P25 or P27, at kung tatanggalin pa ninyo iyong subsidiya sa
                                                                 NFA rice sa kanila at ibibigay na naman natin sa mga CCT
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Have they been validated?               beneficiaries, eh di parang you did not spread the cheer naman
                                                                 doon sa mga ibang naghihirap nating kababayan.
     REP. NAVA. That is why this 2012, additional budget
through the SEA-K would guarantee that all those that are            At this juncture, Deputy Speaker Remulla relinquished
projected to graduate on 2013 will eventually be given initial   the Chair to Rep. Rodolfo C. Fariñas.
livelihood components of the program.
                                                                     REP. NAVA. As far as the department is concerned, Mr.
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). So, you mean all those who             Speaker, there will be no budget for rice subsidy.
will graduate in 2013, saka ninyo lang pala sila bibigyan ng
SEA-K?                                                                REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, what I read
                                                                 in the newspapers that only the CCT beneficiaries can buy
    REP. NAVA. For 2012, Mr. Speaker.                            rice at P25, and that the subsidy for the others will be removed,
                                                                 is wrong.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). No, I am just trying to clarify
your statement. You said that when they graduate in 2013,             REP. NAVA. As far as the budget that I am defending is
saka ninyo sila bibigyan ng SEA-K, iyong livelihood              concerned, Mr. Speaker, there is nothing that is intended for
component?                                                       rice subsidy.

    REP. NAVA. It is 2012. The program for them will start           REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). No, but it says it is a privilege
on 2012, Mr. Speaker.                                            being given now to the CCT beneficiaries. That was in the
                                                                 papers, that is why I am just trying to clarify it with you now.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). By the end of 2012.
                                                                      REP. NAVA. As far as the department is concerned, there
    REP. NAVA. By 2012. Upon approval of the budget by           is none, Mr. Speaker.
January, the SEA-K program will be given.
                                                                     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). There is none.
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). No, what you mean is 2011.
Upon the approval now of the budget,                                 REP. NAVA. There is none.
    you will be giving them a SEA-K program livelihood in
January 2012.                                                          REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). In other words, everyone from
                                                                 the poorest of the poor, to the poor, to the upper poor, to the
    REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                 lower middle who buys the NFA rice—week in, week out
                                                                 will have the misfortune of having to buy it now at P32 to
    REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Ayun.                                   P34, once the government removes the subsidy to the NFA
    Next, with regard to rice, which is my last point because    rice.
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     REP. NAVA. As far as the department is concerned, there            REP. OBILLO. P30,012,000.
is nothing like that is happening, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                        REP. NAVA. Okay. So, the initial budget mentioned is
     REP. MAGSAYSAY (M.). Okay. Since you are already               about P913 million.
assuring me that there is nothing like that, then I just pity our
constituents, everybody else who will be hit by the removal            REP. OBILLO. P913 million. This is under the Pantawid
of subsidy in the NFA rice from where most of the low income        Pamilya Program.
wage earners, especially the daily earners, used to buy. They
cannot afford to buy Jasmine rice or Denorado at P40 or P50.             REP. NAVA. This is under the Pantawid while the other
They normally buy the cheapest rice because that is what            one is on the regular appropriations for some other activities,
they can afford.                                                    Mr. Speaker, particularly for the regular staffing of the DSWD
     Anyway, since my time is up, I just would like to thank        as well as the volunteer NGOs purposely for social protection.
the Sponsor for giving me the time. Thank you very much
also, Mr. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity.                       REP. OBILLO. Under the Operations, yes. Thank you,
     Thank you very much and good evening.                          Mr. Speaker.
                                                                        While the other one, I understand, is for the training for...
     REP. NAVA. Thank you.
                                                                        REP. NAVA. CCT.
   THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The Dep.
Majority Leader is recognized.                                          REP. OBILLO. ... program beneficiaries...

     REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                        REP. NAVA. Solely for the Conditional Cash Transfer.
recognize the Hon. Reena Concepcion G. Obillo of the Party-
List Una ang Pamilya for her interpellation.                            REP. OBILLO. ... program beneficiaries, program
                                                                    implementors also and stakeholders. Am I correct, Mr.
   THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The                        Speaker?
Honorable Obillo is recognized.
                                                                        REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
   REP. OBILLO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr.
Sponsor.                                                                REP. OBILLO. Yes.

     REP. NAVA. Thank you.                                               REP. NAVA. In fact, we have a breakdown of this P913
                                                                    million.
     REP. OBILLO. Mr. Speaker, I only have two quick
questions with regard to the budget of the CCT. First would              REP. OBILLO. Yes. So, with regard to the training for
be the budget on trainings. This was already asked before by        program beneficiaries, I understand you also conduct trainings
my colleagues but I would like to focus more on the other           for families who are recipients of the CCT. Am I correct, Mr.
source of budget as reflected in the GAB. So, one item in the       Sponsor, Mr. Speaker?
GAB is training programs for the Pantawid Pamilyang
Pilipino amounting to P913 million. Am I correct, Mr.                   REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Sponsor, Mr. Speaker?
                                                                         REP. OBILLO. I would like to ask one of the key
     REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker.                                   messages or we call it “key learning points” when you conduct
                                                                    trainings. This is actually our party’s concern because our
     REP. OBILLO. There is also one item on training, under         party’s advocacy is the pamilyang Pilipino, so we would like
Operations, entitled: “Training and Capability Program of           to get some of the key messages when you conduct trainings.
Intermediaries” amounting to P30 million. Am I correct, Mr.         We call it “key learning points.” What is the focus of the
Sponsor, Mr. Speaker? This is on page 995 of the GAB under          training with regard to the program beneficiary recipients,
Operations. This is entitled: “Provision of Support Services        most especially the family?
and Technical Assistance to Intermediaries.”
                                                                        REP. NAVA. We have a module here, Mr. Speaker.
     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). While
they are looking at the answer, the Chair directs the Page to            REP. OBILLO. I only need one key learning point. What
provide the Secretary of the DSWD with a chair, the same            is the essence of the training with regard to the conduct of
used by the Members of the House being the alter ego of             trainings involving the families or recipients of the program?
the President. Please provide her—not a monoblock chair.
(Laughter)                                                              REP. NAVA. It is parent effectiveness, Mr. Speaker.

    REP. OBILLO. So, it is actually found on page 995 of                REP. OBILLO. I am sorry, Mr. Speaker.
the GAB. It is entitled: Training...
                                                                         REP. NAVA. It is parent effectiveness and family
     REP. NAVA. Are you referring to the P30 million?               strengthening.
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     REP. OBILLO. Family strengthening. So, who are the                REP. OBILLO. May I be clarified, Mr. Sponsor, because
participants? Do you include the mother, the father or only        in the BESF, you have in the column, training and
the recipient of the program?                                      scholarships, there are funds that were expended. So, it is
                                                                   assumed that …
    REP. NAVA. The husband and wife, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. NAVA. This is only a matter of …
     REP. OBILLO. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
     May I request a copy of a—do you have an impact                   REP. OBILLO. Format.
evaluation of the seminars conducted on the family, I mean,
the recipients of the program?                                         REP. NAVA. Yes, Mr. Speaker, by the COA chart of
                                                                   accounts, that is why everything is placed here, although this
    REP. NAVA. So far, the available impact study was done         may represent as well, but it is only for training; no
by SWS, Mr. Speaker, although there is a current study being       scholarship.
conducted which is a more detailed and in-depth study of the           Unfortunately, the format requires training coupled with
program itself which we hope will come out by the end of the       scholarships.
year or maybe early next year, Mr. Speaker.
                                                                       REP. OBILLO. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
     REP. OBILLO. Yes. The SWS, I think, I was able to
attend one of the forums wherein they discussed the evaluation         REP. NAVA. For charges charts purposes.
of the program as a whole. But I am concerned about the
training programs with regard to the family that were given             REP. OBILLO. As a neophyte legislator, I would assume
by the DSWD in the implementation of the Pantawid                  that with that kind of format, it says, training and scholarship,
Pamilyang Pilipino Program.                                        there is a scholarship program being implemented by the
                                                                   DSWD.
     REP. NAVA. As far as the participation of our
beneficiaries, it is for empowerment activities, to develop            REP. NAVA. There is none, Mr. Speaker.
higher self-confidence, better social skills, discipline and
financial management.                                                   REP. OBILLO. Okay. Thank you. I think that would be
                                                                   all, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Sponsor.
     REP. OBILLO. Yes. Mr. Sponsor, I would like to get an              Thank you for patiently answering my questions. I would
evaluation, if you have, of the training programs focusing on      also like to thank the regional directors of the DSWD who
the family that were given.                                        have been very helpful in assisting us in our queries with
                                                                   regard to the implementation of our programs under the Kapit
    REP. NAVA. The department can give you a copy, if you          Bisig Laban sa Kahirapan-Comprehensive and Integrated
wish, tomorrow, if that will be all right with you, Mr. Speaker.   Delivery of Social Services (KALAHI-CIDSS).
                                                                        Thank you also to the good Secretary of the DSWD.
    REP. OBILLO. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Sponsor.
    So, I will get a copy of that evaluation study.                   THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The Dep.
                                                                   Majority Leader is recognized.
    REP. NAVA. Thank you.
                                                                       REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we
    REP. OBILLO. Also, with regard to evaluation or                recognize the honorable Minority Leader Edcel C. Lagman.
assessments, may I also request for a copy of the cross-over
plan or what we call the sustainability plan or the weaning            THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The
plan of the program by 2013. I heard you already have that         honorable Minority Leader, Edcel Lagman, is recognized.
document.
                                                                        REP. LAGMAN. Mr. Speaker, in order that we will not
    REP. NAVA. Yes.                                                require Secretary Dinky Soliman to come back tomorrow for
                                                                   the fourth time, and so that we will not be constrained to
     REP. OBILLO. So, I have two. And then last, the               grant her an honorary seat in the House for her long
scholarships.                                                      attendance, the Minority is ready to join the Majority in the
     I read in the Budget of Expenditures and Sources of           favorite motion of the agencies, (Applause) the termination
Financing (BESF) that you have funds for scholarships and          of the period of interpellation and debate on the proposed
trainings. Is the DSWD implementing scholarship programs?          budget of the department, including its attached agencies.

    REP. NAVA. There is no scholarship program that is                THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The Dep.
within the Department. There are some that you may find            Majority Leader is recognized.
such as educational assistance that are coming from the
Priority Development Assistance Funds of the different                  REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, we welcome the
Representatives that is coursed through the Department, but        manifestation of the honorable Minority Leader and,
the Department, per se, does not have its own scholarship          therefore, move for the termination of the period of
program, Mr. Speaker.                                              interpellation and debate on the proposed budget of the
70                                                                                    THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2011

Department of Social Welfare and Development, and its             member of the Majority has manifested his desire to
attached agencies.                                                interpellate on the proposed budget of the Metro Manila
                                                                  Development Authority.
     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). Upon the                    Mr. Speaker, the Honorable Albano would like to speak
joint motion of the Majority and Minority Leaders, duly           on behalf of the Minority.
seconded, it has been moved that we terminate the period of
interpellation and debate on the budget of the Department of          REP. ALBANO. Mr. Speaker, no member of the Minority
Social Welfare and Development. Is there any objection?           will interpellate on the appropriation of the MMDA.
(Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is approved.           Therefore, we are ready to join the Majority in its motion to
(Applause)                                                        approve the appropriation of the MMDA.
     The Sr. Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.
                                                                       THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). Upon the
    REP. GARIN, (J.). Mr. Speaker, I move that we now             joint motion of the Majority and Minority Leaders, it has
resume the consideration of the proposed budget of the            been moved that we terminate the period of interpellation
Department of Tourism and its attached agencies.                  and debate on the budget of the Metropolitan Manila
                                                                  Development Authority. Is there any objection? (Silence) The
     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). Is there any           Chair hears none; the motion is approved.
objection to the motion for the resumption of the consideration
of the budget of the DOT and its attached agencies?                    REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we insert
                                                                  into the Congressional Record of the House the written
                SUSPENSION OF SESSION                             manifestation of the Hon. Emmi De Jesus from the Party-
                                                                  List Gabriela Women’s Party regarding the deliberations on
     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session            House Bill No. 5023.*
is suspended.
                                                                       THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). Is there any
     It was 8:41 p.m.                                             objection to the motion for the insertion of the manifestation?
                                                                  (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is approved.
                RESUMPTION OF SESSION                             (Applause)

     At 8:42 p.m., the session was resumed.                                 SUSPENSION OF CONSIDERATION
                                                                                   OF H.B. NO. 5023
     THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). The session
is resumed.                                                           REP. GUNIGUNDO. I move that we suspend the
                                                                  consideration of House Bill No. 5023.
     REP. GARIN (J.). Mr. Speaker, I move that we suspend
the consideration of the proposed budget of the Department            THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). Is there any
of Tourism.                                                       objection to the motion for the suspension of the consideration
                                                                  of House Bill No. 5023? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the
    THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). Is there any            motion is approved.
objection to the motion? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the
motion is approved.                                                              SUSPENSION OF SESSION

   REP. GUNIGUNDO. Mr. Speaker, I move that we                         REP. GUNIGUNDO. I move that we suspend the session
consider the proposed budget for the Metro Manila                 until ten o’clock tomorrow morning, September 16, 2011.
Development Authority (MMDA).                                     (Applause)

    THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). Is there any                 THE PRESIDING OFFICER (Rep. Fariñas). It has been
objection to the motion for the consideration of the budget of    moved and seconded that we suspend the session until ten
the MMDA? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the motion is           o’clock tomorrow morning, September 16, 2011, Friday. Is
approved.                                                         there any objection? (Silence) The Chair hears none; the
    The Dep. Majority Leader is recognized.                       session is suspended.

     REP. GUNIGUNDO. We have been informed that no                    It was 8:45 p.m., September 15, 2011.


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