International Musician and
Multi-talented Nik Kershaw sees himself primarily as a guitarist –
and so does his favourite guitar-builder Dave Gladden. They tell
If Nik Kershaw were ever to appear on This Is Your Life, Eammon
Andrews would certainly have his work cut out trying to
introduce him: singer, songwriter, guitarist, keyboard-player,
film score writer, producer, teen idol…oh yes, oh no, a-ha!
Principally, Nik Kershaw sees himself as a guitarist.
“It’s what I’ve done longest – since I was about 16 – then I
suppose I see myself as a songwriter. Everything else I do out of
As the interview progresses and the diminutive Pop star relaxes we discover that he understates his work
in the keyboard and studio departments, referring to it merely as ‘dabbling’ and – as he strongly implied
during his last British dates – he’s more that a little pissed off with being a teen idol. For want of a
kinder expression, Nik Kershaw is a muso. Dave Gladden, Kershaw’s guitar builder, who is present
throughout the interview, finds a kinder expression and calls him ‘the master of the subliminal hook’.
Kershaw looks embarrassed. Muso seems more apt.
It was obvious from the start that Kershaw was of the muso persuasion. His solos always verged on the
chromatic and his arrangements were infinitely more clever than those of his contemporaries. The brass
break in Wouldn’t it be Good wasn’t an accident, you know.
Oddly enough, for someone who views himself primarily as a guitarist, He doesn’t seem to do it an awful
“When I started up,’ he recalls, “there was very much a big boom in keyboard technology, all these
amazing noises, but whatever I did to my guitar it seemed to make the same old noise. So I didn’t
experiment with that much and I started to get bored. That’s why I got into keyboards – as a challenge –
but I do neglect the guitar.”
The guitars that Kershaw claims to neglect include three made by his favourite Colchester luthier, Dave
Gladden. The pair met in Kershaw’s native Ipswich when he was still plain old Nick with a ‘c’.
“Nik found out that I built guitars,” remembers Dave, “and he called me up asking if I could put a Les
Paul neck on a Strat body. I mulled over it and eventually realised that he wanted a Les Paul fingerboard
because he liked the feel and the shorter scale.”
And so the first Gladden guitar was born not knowing that it was destined to appear on Live Aid and
numerous video and TV slots. As with all custom-built instruments, interaction between builder and
player is of paramount importance.
“We always discuss it at length beforehand,” says Dave, “and then I go away and do what I like. No,
seriously Nik has very clear ideas about what he wants but it has to be adaptable. For example, the
preamp I put on the last guitar was switch able via a push-pull on the volume control. It didn’t really
work because Nik kept knocking it so it’s committed to the circuit now. I think I’ve got a responsibility
to try and show him as much of what’s around without going over the top.”
Having Dave as a guitar adviser is a big bonus. When the first Gladden guitar was made the Kahler
tremolo was not invented but Gladden got hold of one as soon as they appeared on the market and
Kershaw still employs it a lot more than you notice.
“That’s the trick”, he laughs, “I use it a hell of a lot but I use it very subtly.”
“Sometimes”, interjects Dave,”you’ll listen to it and think it’s a keyboard part when in fact it’s guitar.”
“I think I overuse it sometimes”, continues Kershaw, “it’s not as obvious as Beck or Holdsworth. Like
instead of stretching up a tone I might slide up while pushing on the trem which gives a different effect.
The Kahler is ideal for that. I’ve tried other trems like the Floyd Rose but I didn’t like the tension – it
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was a bit too heavy. The Kahlers are beautiful – the new ones are incredible, they almost float. It’s
extremely accurate too.”
Kershaw dislikes the term multi-instrumentalist but readily admits that he’s no slouch on a bass.
“I played all the bass on the first album. I guess that was because I knew exactly what I wanted and it
was easier for me to play than having to teach it all to someone else. It depends what you mean by
‘playing bass’ though. In the studio you can get away with cheating, and although I can play it
moderately well I’ve cheated plenty on the bass. On the newest album I only played on two tracks. My
bass player, Dennis Smith, played a couple and the rest are sequenced and Mark King played on one.”
Although the partnership with King was successful, Kershaw doesn’t see it leading to anything
“We got on really will as people and musicians but I don’t like repeating myself. In the future I’d like to
get some kind of muso band together and do an album and some gigs and Mark would probably figure in
Kershaw’s interest in keyboards and the associated technology has grown of late. While he is the first to
admit that he is no keyboard player he spends much of his time experimenting with new equipment and
“Again. It’s the same as with the bass,” he says warming to the subject. “You don’t have to be a
virtuoso to get a result. If someone asked me to sit at the piano and play a song it would be, ‘sorry,
actually I’ve got this really sore wrist’. I’m not a keyboard player as such; I’m just interested in the
sounds as apposed to the technicality of playing. That said, I’m still trying to improve. But synthesisers
are getting strange now. Like the only thing that’s limiting me with the new Yamaha QX1 is my
As well as stimulating his imagination the QX1 is also leading Nik into various avenues of technology.
“I’m now very interested in MIDI,” he says, “and I’m getting old my old Oberheim OBX’s modified
because some of the old synths still have the best sounds. There hasn’t really been that much of an
advance in analogue technology in the last few years. I still love the sounds you can get from some of
them – I’ve got an old Korg Poly 4 and Jupiter 4, which has some great fat sounds. On the newer side
I’ve just got a Prophet 2000 which I’m still trying to fathom out – the manuals like War and Peace.
Sampling is easy enough on it but putting samples to a program across the keyboard – called mapping – is
Among the musicians’ credits on The Riddle is a chap called Fairlight. Does Nik intend to work with him
“It was very useful at the time,” he says, “but that was because there wasn’t anything else. The
Emulator II wasn’t out then but now I’ve got my QX1 and Prophet 2000 I defy anyone to tell me I need a
“We sampled some guitar on The Riddle; I think that was mainly because when you first get a sampling
device you sample a sound you are familiar with. On Don Quixote there are some guitar stabs with brass
which are sampled distorted guitar. Funnily enough, it sounds completely different to how it would if I’d
played the part.”
“That’s the thing with sampling. It depends how you use it. Because of MIDI I’m mixing sample with
analogue and digital sounds so you probably wouldn’t know it’s sampled. But I do think the days of
obvious sampling are over – things like dogs barking. People are using them more as musical instruments
and less as sounds effects now.”
On his last single, Kershaw dispensed with the services of producer Peter Collins and took to the leather
chair himself. Ignoring the fact that the single wasn’t an enormous commercial success does he prefer
working with or without a producer?
“Well, that’s not really a fair question,” he complains, “because producing a single is very different from
producing an album. The longer the project the more you need a producer to have the ultimate
responsibility of producing the goods on time. But I did enjoy the challenge of the single. I learnt a lot
form Peter on the last two albums – he kept me in check, but I fancied a change.”
Collins is reputedly a tough man to work with as he frequently allows the perfectionist in him to dictate
to the humane side of his nature – a hard taskmaster. Nik leaps to his defence.
“He does not accept amateurs, he does not tolerate them. He’s had bust ups with bands when, for
example, the drummer may not be cutting it and he’s got someone else in. He’ll do whatever he has to
do to get the job done. His only objective is the end product and for that you have to respect him. He’s
rubbed a few people up the wrong way because they can’t play. This may sound conceited I suppose but
I’ve never had any problems with him.”
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Despite the intricate arrangements an ostensibly elaborate production jobs on the first two LPs, Kershaw
works exceedingly quickly by today’s standards: Human Racing took 12 weeks and The Riddle took 10.
“I didn’t realise how quick we were until I spoke to Depeche Mode,” he laughs, “they were saying,
’we’re going into the studio soon but hopefully we’ll be out by next Christmas’”. Dave Gladden reminds
Nik that he wrote The Riddle in record time – three and a half weeks.
Pre-production is big buzzword in the Kershaw camp. Arrangements and instrumentation are always
finalised before they consider entering the studio. This mainly because Nik hates ‘pissing around once
we’re in the there’. Once in the studio, Nik is very keen on using people as sounding boards. This is not
to say that he positions fat people in the studio’s corners to act as human bass traps, but he’ll ask
anyone with an opinion what they think of the sound in question.
“I’ll ask absolutely anyone,” he elaborated, “the tape op, the tea lady…my last engineer Julian
Mendelssohn used to say with all his Australian charm, ‘That’s absolute shit, I’m not recording that!’
This time I’ll probably be using Stewart Bruce at Swanyard and then get someone else in to mix. I think
it’s good to have a variety of opinions and approaches.”
When Kershaw talks about his band you can’t help but he the impression that some of Pete Collins’
ruthlessness has rubbed off on him. He also insists on calling them ‘his’ band.
“I’ll just use whoever I feel would do a good job for a specific task,” he says matter of factly. “My band
know that so there’s no aggravation. Tim Moore (keyboards) and Dennis Smith played on a couple of
tracks on the last album but I like to keep it open. I mean if I was obliged to use my band in the studio I
couldn’t phone up Weather Report if I wanted to d a Jazz track. That’s no disrespect to my band but
they don’t play like Weather Report. I suppose I am quite ruthless in getting the end product how I
“It carries on the whole thing between humans and machines,” he continues. “Machines might be more
convenient but – does it feel any good? You see there was a time when everyone was using a drum
machine; it’s a fashion. Now everyone is using a drum machine and trying to make it sound like a real
drummer. That’s a waste of time – you might as well use a real drummer. Consequently, the first album
was mainly machines and the last album was mainly people, as to the next one I’ll take it as it comes.”
Nik Kershaw may not become the next secretary of state in the session playing world but he certainly
writes better songs than Henry Kissinger. But what exactly does he hear in his head when it comes to
conceiving the catchy melodies that have become his trademark?
“When I think of the melody,” he explains,” I also hear an arrangement and it then has that arrangement
– I feel obliged to put it down on tape like that, it seems very natural to me. Yet parts of songwriting
are contrived – like actually putting them together. I might take a verse I had three years ago and fit it
to something new. But I don’t know if I’m trying to be commercial consciously or not – the only time I’ve
done that was when I was trying to get a record deal, the result of which are mainly on the first album.
Your can believe me or not but since then I do what I think is right and hope that other people do too.”
Nik recently took a sabbatical from his commercial pursuits and utilised his extensive home set-up (a
soundcraft desk, Fostex B16, guitar FX rack for out board gear as well as the ubiquitous DX7 – a TX
system is on the way – and interestingly a Juno 6 ‘for its great sound’) to record some film music.
“If my stuff gets accepted,” h enthuses, “it’ll be for a film called ‘Running Scared’ directed by the guy
who did ‘2010’. It’s actually Rod Templeton’s project but when they asked him if there was anyone he
wanted to do it with he said he’d like to work with me!”
So with a new album coming out at the end of March followed by a lengthy tour and the prospect of Rod
‘Thriller’ Templeton’s company over a candlelit console, the coming year looks promising for the little
man at the vanguard of new musio-ism. Whether or not his success will merit Eammon’s Big Red Book
treatment remains to be seen.
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Gladden on Guitars
1 - This is the first one, started in '81. I still think Nik feels most comfortable with it... It's a bird's eye
maple neck, Gibson Les Paul Standard fingerboard and walnut body fitted with two old and not quite PAF
hum buckers. The neck's a Custom, the bridge a standard but I swapped the magnets. The neck pickup
especially sounds like a really old Gibson. We also have the newest Kahler Professional tremolo which
I've recently added to all three of the guitars I've made for Nik. Standard volume and tone (which hardly
gets used) three-position pickup selector and three mini toggles. The first is a coil tap for both pickups;
the second two only work when both pickups are on. One is phase switch, the other selects a
series/parallel between the two pickups which when in series fattens out the bottom and middle
frequencies and gives about 6dB boost.
2 - This is based on Les Paul double cutaway; it's scaled down about 3/8" all round, again with a Les Paul
standard type fingerboard. The body is a sandwich construction of bird's eye maple on the back and front
and flame maple in the middle. Pickups are a Bill Lawrence L-500 and an old Washburn model. Nik
wanted a clean sound so the Lawrence was an obvious choice for the bridge but the Washburn was the
only thing that could match it for volume and clarity. Then we have the volume plus the click stop tone
3 - Nik wanted a more standard Strat. The body is maple form a solid piece of quilted maple which
wasn't easy to find - it's lighter than flame maple and has just the right resonance. There's a flame maple
neck and rosewood fingerboard. We have three Seymour Duncan Alnico Pros 2's which to me is the
ultimate, definitive Strat sound. The middle pickup as a phase switch. Also we have a preamp buffer as
Nik wanted the guitar primarily for studio work and this improves the DI signal. Again we also have the
notched tone filter. Three mini-toggles are fitted for independent pickup switching.
All the instruments are finished with a sprayed cellulose lacquer which is hand rubbed to achieve an
almost satin finish. However, under lights the finish looks like a standard gloss but with the finger marks!
Nik Kershaw on Amps, Effect and Strings
Like most guitarist Nik has been through his share of amps, including what he considers the "biggest
turkey ever made - a Redmere Soloist. He's now settled on a Dean Markley combo which he uses both In
the studio and live. He also has a Roland Bolt 60 which is still used occasionally for studio work.
As far as effects go Nik has a rack of units all controlled by a Boss computer board. The rack includes a
Roland Dimension D, Roland SDE3000 digital delay, and Ibanez harmoniser - the HD-1000 - "a bit of toy
really but handy for textures", then, of course, the usual compressors and gates.
In the string department Nik used to swear by Dean Markleys, but has recently been converted to Kahler
strings. "They're interesting, I don't know how long they'd last but that doesn't matter in my case.
They're bright with a lot of body whereas the Dean Markleys are bright but lack body. The gauges are
standard 0.09s except I use a 0.014 instead of .016 for the third”.
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