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@matt, iirc, yes.
Hey, there is Christine. LOL
is abelah a girl, too?
Where are AMN, Abelah and GG anyway?
night CS, thanks for your time and patience
Thanks for stopping in CS. G'night
gn, thanks
thanks for dropping in CS. good night
Thanks CS, night. Please come around often. :)
nite Cath, good convo
g'night CS. thanks for dropping by!
Am crossing my fingers for good news soon...just liek the rest of you.
no turkey day for you
Am heading gents. It's an early morning for me.
My fam did. When he transferred to the TO campus of MD I was born and the family stayed put
you got to live in a lot of places
It's pretty cool to see.
SK :D
I can't even draw stick people with a ruler
a lot of those skills have been lost. I do a lot of drafting, and my freehand skills have suffered because I do most off
my work on CAD
I could draw a perfectly straight line free hand... but only whenI'm trying to draw a circle
yeah, I've seen that before too. Amazing.
awe
He's still the only person I have ever seen draw a perfectly straight line free-hand
later B, have a great T-Day
night B
nite b
Autocad. Yeah, that did a number on draftsmen like audio CDs did in vinyl
will do.
tell your father I said thanks for his service....to defend North America. :-)
Goodnight B.
by the way....no great pumpkin today....all you whisperers out there...
yup. Moved all over. Worked on a lot of interesting projects. Was replaced by AutoCAD :(
CS, thanks for stopping by tonite. I have to run.
sounds like, yeah
Sounds like he has plenty to be proud of.
quite distiguished too
long career
did the kitchens and galleys for teh QE2
worked with Boeing on the 747
well good at least he didn't design the rudder on the F-16
concorde, sweet
and the nose on the concorde
rudders :)
did drawings on the rutters for the F15s
ah
Draftsman and design engineer. worked in shipping and aviation
my dad worked for McDonald Douglas
CS, was he an engine guy?
j/k
they don't mess around? hhmm. wait til he meets the battery dudes.
yes
C-130s were in Georgia
whoops. sorry. He worked for McDonald Douglas too.
thanks CS. no more questions. opposing counsel may wish to cross-examine the witness.
something is fishy. McDonald Douglas made the F-15 not Martin Marietta.... what am I missing? They assembled
them in St Louis
My Dad's experience with Lockheed was that they don't mess around
Larry: Some idiots, you mean.
some think LM would get involved in a tech without doing much checking first; not likely I'd say.
CS, do you think Ian will still want to put an EESU in the Zenn car in the lobby at the offices?
even squash the EESU..........
CS, yep agreed
thanks
change it to wazmaba, waz for short.
I'll start a thread for handle suggestions
wasm is a good handle
Having worked for Lockheed, his only comments on this saga is that Lockheed has the resources and the know-how
to get almost anything done
I have to change my handle, Was always confuses me.
please don't answer that!
:-) ok, just kidding
lol
propulsion
did your father ever see a UFO?
Was brought over from the UK
:)
yeah, cool. dots... dots... dots... LOL
Marietta Georgia. Yes.
by chance?
in Georgia, really? Marietta Georgia?
what does he think of EEStor?
cool
He worked on the campus in Georgia. On F-15s. Back in the Day.
Can you say what he worked on at Lockheed Martin?
Ha. No. Long since retired.
yeah, kinda figgered you were half-truth messing with me LOL
Does he have a battpack or battblade?
Yes.
Your father worked for Lockheed Martin?
Lockheed Martin
LOL, it is true. But not to DRP daughter wedding.
doing what?
?
LM?
CS, no, i don't mean, were you in the military or military industry. i'm asking if you have any connection to it.

My Dad worked for LM. I don't mind sharing that.
oh shit, wasmaba, that's awesome!
k, I'll get you back for that :)
me personally?
do you have any connection to the military industry?
No Dan, I did not send anything... :)
lol
oh no you didn't! Bitch :)
so again, no pressure, no one will be upset if you decline or deflect
my next question is probably worse to ask for a variety of reasons
Hell, I gave ZnnMF as a wedding gift...
ok j/k
good answer
anyone here want to help CS answer that?
cymbal crash
:-)
I have had several in-person conversations with a few shareholders who know the answer to that question

drumroll please.....
yes?
I can't remember if I mentioned it here.
People have asked before
sorry - hit enter too fast.
Are you saying family and friends are invested in Zenn?
I apologize, I didn't understand your response.
pico yup, oooooold
don't think so CS
j/k :)
can't remember if I ansered that here before
screw that, I wants me gold
DRP: saying son in law make you feel old? :)
many who are part of both camps though
lol, PN is gone too
B- I honestly can
CS: Yes, there are some of us-- a minority, to be sure-- who have no interest in investing in ZNN and are here
primarily for our interest in advances in electrical storage, and its possible impact on use of "green" energy an its
effect on the electric vehicle revolution.
that's the scariest thing about having kids to me... having a teenage daughter
wise beyond his years and utterly devoted to my oldest
DRP - that's good to hear
CS, he's more than I could have hoped for in a son in law
(that was to DRP, not CS)
awesome. so happy for you!
but could you say whether or not your family and friends are invested in Zenn?
we both know I don't answer anything i don't want to
very cool family
non-stop celebrations and unfamiliar rituals for 4 days :)
This may be an inappropriate question that you are uncomfortable answering because it may touch on an issue of
privacy....so no pressure to answer this.
only october and december
deep-fried surely
Congrats Dan. Do you like the guy?
We don't get turkey in november
what was it like? fun? long? awkward?
thanks Glo
CS, lets talk turkey.
Dan Congratulations!
lol. right.
pf, brown people
"easy money" lol
farm, hell no. These kids thrive on challenge. Easy money would make them shrivel
PM's charm was just too much
what ethnicity?
yeah, i think i sent aretarded email
groom's dad wanted it to be a 7-day ordeal as per tradition. He said over my dead body. So I already owe him one
LOL
B competition too tough - bane me too
i love weddings... i used to work them. They are always a lot of fun.
DRP gave her zenn shares as the gift right?
Larry - yes, I get that there are those in the scientific community that are primarily conerned with how

@lib, I will send you the specs... I think I owe you one.
thanks
well, Wed-Sat :)
congrats!
congrats DRP!
yeah, Sat
recently DRP?
If I told you to ring one bell if the EESU works, and two bells if it doesn't, would you use my front or back doorbell?

holy drap, that keeps dawning on me :)
my baby is married!
CS, there are a few of us who are more scientifically intrigued than greedy, if you can believe that :)

i'l there wasamba, what are the duties?
thanks wasm ;)
nice work b.
lol matt - good try
If you every want a job in a warm climate... :)
Right now, I care that it works. Later,after ahbl, I'll care how.
Perhaps I should rephrase. I care that it works, first and foremost. Understanding exactly how it works is secondary
for me
yes, on my treadmill at 7mph
impressivce
whoa.
Christine's there too and would like to know for sure
I'll be having Julia Childs' Deconstructed Turkey if you must know
lived in an old house on 4th Ave N.E. next to the park overlooking the city in 1979. Walking across the Centre street
bridge in January with the wind up was...... interesting :)
CS, yes some of really do care as much about knowing how it works as that it works
Oh, that's a good one... So, Catherine... does it work?
how's he P90x going B?
You making calls on the treadmill b?
i care, it is the only interesting part
sure, lots of us do.
Ian does not know what a ion is any more than B does
wrong place to ask that :)
cool. Im in T.O. too!
Do any of us really care how it works, so long as it does?
serious business
i am not. i'm working on my t-day meal actually
got it
:-)
b's drunk
really b?
ZENN is fine.
how're they holding up?
Has Ian ever figured out how EEStor gets the ion outside the unit cell?
@ eehopeful. No. am from TO. Brother and nieces are in Calgary
Also chatted a little with Ian
B - you are late to the party. I already answered that one. Spoke with Vanessa today.
one of the funnier typos lately
is there a mailing list I can join ?
Oh Texas north
CS, do you talk much with Zenn alums?
nice. are you originally from Calgary?
typo my ass. Funny tho :)
now if it had been Eenigma that sai that, watch out
he must be drinking...
and B...YEESH!
I thought B was German
Calgary first
easy guys. just a typo.
B behave like a good irish lad .
CS, where are you headed to in Feb?
hey guys keep it respectful
now that's a typo
lol B
Matt: That sums it up, yah.
Catherine, do you know which of the above users is actually DW?
i mean hearing..oop
But he buried the key part
so many factors
And...because it does not look good, people will book off and then probably send it into the death spiral

good point matt. CS, what are you wearing?
Travel is a fragile industry
Need to read the original larry - CN wrote the book - literally
k, I'll "mull it over".... :(
Yes - Thomas Cook....does not look good.
$24!
so, 80 folks on the wire all day, and even CS drops by, but we still don't know what the deal is?
PN, I'd like to hear the how if it is different than our past discussions
@ DRP Don't do it!
nooooo
CS - I'm sure you read the stuff on Thomas Cook....ouch!
screw it I'm getting the griddle.
Too bad I can't keep up with B - but B is not a Bombay man
Dean Bombay, talking about flying. :)
I try!
you're a hoot, PN
B flies alot :)
How it stays cubic - now that is a hoot
8-) Christine.
Pfuji underscored the apparent similarity between recent events and the events leading up to EEStor's announcement
of the Permittivity Milestone. EEStor needing money, rumors spreading, gradual rise in stock price and then a spike,
questions by the Canadian equivalent of SEC, a "We know nothing" PR from ZMC, and then a couple of days later,
the announcement from EEStor. I think Pfuji also indicated he thinks rumors spread from EEStor to some investors,
but you should read what he said for yourself. It was an interesting analysis from someone who is connected to a
better source of info than most of us.

Next time I go I will tell them I know CS. Maybe I will get an upgrade
lol, CS does read the site fairly regularly. Sorry b.
It absolutely must - stay cubic
tonight?
oh.........
or just all rared up and ready to go?
time became less defined, and more fluid
PN, we've talked about the BT remaining cubic often before
@ b...you been into the scotch tonight?
just dates, B
Awesome, what a crowd in here tonight. Nice job B.
TiO6 is a marvel
Also, did IC become addicted to those progress reports and maybe become a little foggy about things like progress?

Clear the floor for b and CS. 8-)
I like to travel. and the fam is all over. the flight passes kick in in Feb. Then I am off
lol
@CS - do you travel much? like to travel?
I flew Air Canada to Tel Aviv about two months ago
That's Eev's term. An original with him.
lol
CS, when Dick Weir was publishing press releases about accomplishments related to powder production was Ian
Clifford inhaling any of those progress reports?
hardly :)
Durably cubic is a understatement
lol drp.
i think they've said that explicitly...IC was to focus on the relationship with eestor
@CS, thanks, :) I goofing really.
us?
TY, that's been a concern for all of us at times.
@PM99. yes
CS - I guess I was really asking if IC and Zenn are still being kept up to date with the progress or are they sitting
and waiting like the rest of us.
CS is just another shareholder like the rest of us now. Am I right CS?
Well in the loop at eestor CS?
Keyvintory needs a 1/4 page
thanks for playing along Catherine. We've been starved for news for so long, sometimes we forget to be nice

@wasamba...i am not in the marketing dept
go wasm :)
IC is vice chair of the board...um ya. he's well in the loop.
lol, wasmaba. Always the money man. 8-)
PN, already been there I believe, but thanks ;)
@CS, can you negotiate advertising discounts in AC in cabin magazines?
Yes, it's a good term Christine. Email me your thoughts. I'll add some more detail and hopefully move forward.

Christine, durably cubic is a good term for it.
@PM99. It's par for the course. I know when I show up that you guys will ask. It's ok.
DRP - when you find out how it really works - double up on the depends!
CS: is IC in the "loop" any longer? Are Zenn as much in the dark as the rest of us?
@ PM I also like the term “durably cubic”
I won't be wearing a shirt, just some Depends
lol
sounds good. :)
a little feint and parry, farm..
Pico - Post AHBL - call me - I will have some fun EE work lined up! LOl
We used to joke that he was on the hook to come up with something special now.
I'd like to think CS would find it fun to stop in more often. Hopefully with each visit she would just get less questions
and have more fun with the banter here.
one of his own
maybe a photo-print shirt
i told you, your my post-ahbl role model :)
I think reveal day requires some sort of custom shirt.
Reading people... Sorry folks always overestimate their own abilities. Way over estimate in my experience.

Pico - it is fun - thanks!
No big deal.
Just use the Jedi Mind Trick farmEEr
Ian has done it from time to time.
CS - how many reveal-worthy shirts would you say IC is sporting?
PN works harder in retirement than most do at work. PN makes retirement look like fun.
@CS - what are your thoughts on Ian's gifting of shares recently?
is it easy to read people who know how to read people?
fair enough
@ pfujimoto...it would be improper to discuss that. sorry.
really easy to read people when you learn how
did you get a heads up before it went out on the wire?
CS, I was wondering how much notice you had of EEStor's permittivity PR in april 2009...
doof, I've had years of experience evaluating people and usually can tell when they are being genuine vs putting on
an act.
we're still waiting for shirt-gate
I actually asked him about his reveal shirt at the last AGM... we had a good laugh about that
We both loved some of the commentary you guys came up with
just poking fun... ;_0
Fibb works for a university. Enough said.
pf - I was retired in place after I sold my company - they had no use for me but they had to pay me

IC is not Steve Jobs. He does not own 50 black turtlenecks. But he has a great sense of humour about his shirts

CS, an excellent question, an airline pilot.... but not a AC
just go back and read it boba
self employed auto mechanic
electrical engineer . i just peek from time to time to time to time...
Pn, you were on here all day before you retired...
Am convinced Fibb must work from home...
I'm retired but I do research into an advanced ceramic energy storage device in my spare time. Which takes up most
of my time outside of family.
retired in 2008 just in time for the crash :)
PFuji, I hear you dropped interesting news/speculation around 7.45? In a nutshell, what.
lol
I am blissfully retired
larry - you have that much faith in your ability to read the look on his face?
whats with IC shirts?
vacation today
lol
I'm on contract, what better way to burn hours?
IC is one genuine dude
mmi, yep :)
hey all. Hi CS, nice of you to drop by!
What kind of jobs do you guys have that allow you to chat all day?
Do you keep in touch with IC? I like that guy. He seems genuine.
To each his own. I'm glad I met Dick Weir and got to evaluate him for myself. It removes a lot of potential negative
motives and false hopes from my mind :)
No questions for us CS?
Nope.
cheese and wine... no better reasons than those :)
have you never met him?
PFuji spill another speculative rumour?
@mmiocev...I have no idea.
One likes Beer - the other truffles
lol. i remember the jehovah witnesses waking me up on saturday mornings when i was in college. I wasn't cordial.

We're jealous sk. That's why I don't forget.
Oz - France - both are fantasy lands
What was it that PFuji said a few hours ago?
i honestly don't think there has been really excessive pestering going on, but more than i'm comfortable with

thanks for talking me out of it guys
you recall correctly!
Good image there. lol
LOL, CS.
SK is moving to France CS. Lyon iirc.
.... but WalMart is way too evil :(
When Jehovah Witnesses knock on my door, I am cordial. But I do not care to impress them.
CS when was the last time DW was in Canada?
but it's so chEEp! :)
8-) to pico and SK.
WalMart is evil though :(
DW should get a pitbull for the cadre bozos that bother him. I had one in my store and bozos left quick.

oh man, large electric counter top griddle for $24 :)
pm: he doesn't have a reality show but he has a cadre. How many people can say that?
not for long...
And I thought that I was crazy for living down the rabbit hole, SK lives in OZ
j/k, I really do agree with that :)
I am not surprised he was cordial. That doesn't mean the visit was justified.
CS: yes...just too bad they are poorly manged :)
<---99 miles away
Well it's true he doesn't have his own reality show like the Kardashians. Even if this site makes it seem he does. 8-)

@mmiocev..I have met very bright, very cool people
SK, yep
Weir was very cordial. He came out to meet me when he could have just ignored me. You'd have had to be there to
evaluate it.
but only because I'm in Australia and can't do it myself
I agre with that CS
That is just annoying the man and his family distracting him from his work
I would prefer he focus on finishing the task at hand....which will then drive the value of ZNN stock
or flowers
And I think the vast majority of shareholders would prefer that he not be bombarded with phone calls or drop ins

Hi CS - I'm in the travel industry. Know a lot of people at AC. Good people work there.
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@CS - I agree and DW is not an emplyee of Zenn
CS, yep
Just ask Fibb
If you bought shares in ZENN as a proxy for EEStor, trust me, I understand. But at the end of the day, it;s ZMC that
is accountable, not EEStor
EEME, yep
DW is the savior of the Human Race!
IMHO some of the people here have pushed their boundary lines of some peoples privacy
Boo, Blues win in ot. 8-(
deranged,farmEEr
Perhaps this is the CDN in me...but he again, he is not the CEO of a publicly traded company
all of those psychos need to stay in their chat room
Larry - I honestly question why anyone would just call or show up on his doorstep
He was very nice and far from threatening
CS, are you enjoying this crazy soap opera just as much as we are? Stressful but FUN times!
the eesu powered boston dynamic hounds at that!
lol, CS, these guys are something when they protect their beliefs.
lucky he didn't release the hounds on you.
or he was frightened that he was being stalked
it worked larry hasn't bothered him since i bet
he is a marine, he was prolly deciding if he should rip your heart out , if you were a threat.
it wasn't a planned meeting though, was it?
I would also guess that he has become accustomed to speaking in vague terms rather than absolutes

Larry lost his faith thereafter.
he wanted to hit you Larry
CS, we were face to face. It was the look on his face as well.
:)
@ Larry. DW is not the CEO of a publicly traded company. i doubt he cares to convey confidence to any random
person that happen to get him on the phone
But me, I grew up down there. Tooo many people.
sorry :) it starts at about 7:48pm server time. I would be interested to know your thoughts on it
TO got everything. :)
@ EEME. I'm not sure, I haven't checked But the Volt had Dealer plates
CS, I talked with Dick Weir a while back. He did not sound as confident in person as he did on the leaked tape
interview.
are there any Volts in showrooms in TO?
No. you guys started asking questions
And from 2003 as well. Ian seems to be holding up well
Did you have a chance to read up on pfujimoto's comments just prior to you stopping by?
8-) I like that answer.
@ larry. I think we can all agree that A LOT of time has passed since December 2009.
ok, thank you
@eehopeful. I would not read into partner(s). It's just a blanket way of mentioning EEStor without calling them out in
a pr
CS, are the people at zmc getting perturbed at the wait like we are?
@CS - watch it they ticket you for that. :)I drove one of the first Honda electric cars, my friend was a Rep. This was
about 10 years ago. :)
@Doofenshmirtz....that's why I said greed wins. I trust that the people who negotiate will always want more

Depends on the risk landscape at the time (LOTS of variables there, but not insurmountable to estimate well), and
the details in the EEStor shareholder agreement and the Technology Liscense agreement.

Seems like JK is there to help evaluate...
When the tech is ready I will buy
OK, glad you agree CS - that sentiment within ZMC wouldn't be to take the quick $$
@ EEME. I saw a Volt on the 401, got excited and snapped a pic.
CS, in yesterday’s nr…Zenn used the word ‘partner(s)’ when referring to timelines and developments. Any thoughts?

$500 sounds like a nicer number anyway :)
I knew you knew
so would JK judging by that lawsuit he was in
I knew you'd say that drp
I think that would be grounds for a lawsuit....
$50? Not if I have anything to say about it :)
@Doofenshmirtz. Um, No. if an expert valued ZENN at $200 I would pray no one would be stupid enought to sell for
$50
Ah me, CS is doing well for being the only girl at the frat party at the moment. 8-)
not at being in the red, sorry CS, most of us in that situation
@CS - Do you think that you would buy an electric car in the near future?
lol
How much my shares are in the red. As in there is a long way to go to break even.
OK, thanks. So you'd agree that if an expert valued Zenn at $200, you wouldn't be cool with them doing a quick deal
for $50?
Johnny Walker dude
CS, sorry, I don't understand red vs black???
$50 is purely about what it would mean for me. I am not qualifed to value ZENN
Not that much. ZENN is pretty lean now. There's not a lot of 'arranging pencils on the desk' as one cadre member put
it so eloquently
is your $50 thought just based on what it would mean to you, or do you think that would be fair value for Zenn?

@CS how much do Zenn employees watch this website and read here after events such as the AGM?

Hi CS - thanks for stopping by
knowing something works and knowing whether it can be manufactured is quite different
lol.
@ Larry...sorry... i thought you meant % value red versus black
I don't believe CS has said that.
much below 50% doesn't sound that confident, pm
He's been a shareholder for a while. Really understands the story.
The eesu works larry. CS believes so as well I'm sure...?
@ G: Sorry. I wasn't involved in that. But I met Roger in 2008.
there must be some strong 'believers' involved with zmc; their pay is paltry unless the eesu works and the stock
soars.
that's a good answer
Another good question G.
ummm... ok. 8-) ty cs.
Understand's the shareholder's perspective
@CS can you share anything about how the 3 new board of director members were found and brought on board.

Long-time investor. Solid business background. Believes in good stewardship and governance.
How does he fit?
Yes. Roger is a great guy.
CS have you met Mr. Hammock?
made down the street:)
cheers
ty Lensman
thats it:)
Nice logo.


:)
is it dark?
Had one on Monday night. Boddington's is lovely
You are rich!
Zenn is UP!
moose head is
If you like Smithwicks, you have to try Boddingtons…its fantastic!
I look forward to meeting you official then.
Then I'll unhush. lol
Moose Drool beer! Oh, wait... that's not Canadian.
no need to apologise, I think it's funny :)
But I'll hush now for a bit.
i thought canada only had molsons.
@ G. I will likely be at this year's AGM too. We can meet then.
Sorry sk. I have 5 sisters, I'm used to having fun with the ladies.
Am enjoying a lot of Innis & Gunn these days too
Ah, good taste.
PM99. Smithwicks on tap. Or Erdinger.
just trying to give CS a break.....
PM is the "ok I'm off" and then back 5 mins later :)
@CS I wish I had time to introduce myself at either of the last two AGM's. I actual have a contact request
that might be better offline. If you are able to send an e-mail to geestor@gmail.com it would be much
appreciated. If not it was nice to almost meet you. Maybe we will meet at a future AGM.

guinness.
micro brew?
ice wine...i don't really like it that much. to sweet
Which CS?
truth be told...a pint of beer is usually the preferred drink
not true, i hold a lot of ZMC stock
Po is the house cynic and pita.
Taylor is our house cynic.
ice wine?
me too.
love red and white. all depending on mood and environment
CS, zmc was lucky to have you
Zenn must have been interesting.
It fills the empty hours for sure. lol
I always viewed ZENN as a 'leg up'
pm99. I completely agree. I am a worker bee. i expect to work for a living and have no problem doing so

So many questions..... CS, do you drink wine? if so, you prefer white or red?
I dunno, I just want my kids to be able to pay off their mortgages.
Ok, thanks
i am well below 50%
Since zennergy is no more...was it a complete product with built in malfunction analysis tailored to OEM
requirements?
sorry...even 50,000 from 3 is a big move
lol, larry.
CS, pardon my pushiness :) Are you above or below 50%? :)
Hard work over years CS.
50 i retire at my current standard of living. >100, i'm really, really happy.
because in what other way could you make that kind of progress outside a lottery or vegas win
Is that 150 then or 50?
been
CS, can you shed some light on the other 2 board members other than JK? They have virtually been non existent…

that's a life-changing sum of money in my opinion
and sold for 150,000
if you bought 1000 shares at 3
you must have missed the 7000 mentioned earlier O.o
Not everyone here owns lots.
Only if you own lots CS.
Thank you CS
Yes, that's one of the most diplomatic answers I've ever seen on this forum. You can tell CS is a pro!

and as for price, you guys have talked about 50-5000. I would be happy with 50. it represents a life-changing sum of
money no matter how you look at it
So organic may not do and JK will be what's needed.
that's the words of a good marketing person :)
darn darn darn darn darn
larry: i don't think that is a fair question to answer as I am afraid people might put undue weight on my comments

*there
it's a bit hands off atm as here isn't a lot of contact
I like Zenn as people, feel they are terribly inexperienced for what may lie ahead.
CS, can you answer: how strong is your belief that the eesu is real and will be commercialized?
ZENN is staffed by good people. Be nice
CS what would you feel happy with as a share buyout price for your zenn shares?
rangers have staal out with concussion syndrome. i feel your pain.
PM99: was chatting with Vanessa today
they hit Sid and there will be a HIT on them :)
We were spoiled by Lemieux.
Me too.
I missed it, but I'm thrilled he's back.
I just pray he doesn't take another hit
As for Crosby...i swear half of Canada was watching that game
Boo rangers.
good kid, local hero
And all us Pittsburghers really appreciate that.
EEME - yes. Not completely free. Small fees. but pretty much
i kind of hate him, but it's just jealousy being a ranger fan :)
He was raised right, that one.
Sid the Kid grew up less than a mile from me. :)
ty pico.
Do you still keep up with your Zenn friends CS?
Thanks Larry. Perhaps one day I'll consider moving to an external role. But for now, this is good. A completly
different kind of pressure
pm sidney had a fight, but he's ok.
CS - do you get to go to exotic places FREE?
CS, you looked and sounded great on TV; AC is missing out.
Ah, Pens score. oops, bit of a hockey fan here.
The French was something close to "How are you?" "I'm fine. And you?" "Not bad, thanks."
Larry: no. my role is purely internal now. completely different kettle of fish but I am enjoying it
she did come out well :)
Zenn is UP! muhahaha
low income snowbirds do not need strikes in January :)
must say I am a fan of Lisa Raitt. Qantas fiasco made her look like a superstar.
they did but still not resolved. They've got an extension
will likely be binding arbitration now
Nah. Aussie gov stepped in
CS, does AC give you the chance to be on TV like zmc?
You guys too? Qantas will be back at it again before long
Re: AC strikes...there are still several union groups that are in negotiations and will be well into the new year

ha I can understand that, my french is coming along :)
Hi DRP
damn, gotta use google translate fast.
pas mal, merci :) got dinner on the stove biab
Oui, ca va bien. Et toi?
hey, it's CS. Ca va?
Thanks for addressing that, CS.
No one is lined up to go on strike in January @ AC is there CS?
Lensman: sorry, it would be improper for me to discuss that too
cs any questions for us?
I think it's very nice of you to stop in and very thoughtful as well.
ah, thank you for saying that at least :)
SK: Yes, and I cannot discuss
We've rattled that one round a lot here
I am hoping for reveal on April 1st.
Re: speculative share price....ummm..of course...we all love to dream, right?
lol good to hear
This may be going too far, but any idea what Zenn meant with trying to help eestor financially?
CS, hope you will be here when you can; you provide a perspective we lack
Never said she wasn't PM. Just calling for some courtesy.
Lets give CS a chance to go back and pick from the questions we've already asked. Good idea?
He's good. Been in a couple of neighbourhood brawls...but he's holding his own.
CS, how is Jack doing these days?
k thanks
Re: JK. No.
sorry gents - cold fingers typing...
@CS do you think that JK was hinting at anything by aligning his options with the advancement of the technology?

CS is a big girl, she answers what she can and ignores others. I think she is quite capable.
l's opinion
gir
but that is one
Maybe we should take a number to ask CS a question. "Now serving number 4826..." ;-O
I don't think ZENN growing organically is in the best interest of shareholders
Good grief.. Give the girl a break guys...
@larry. My own personal opinion is no.
please do not assault the lady boys :)
But no one but Dick does?
when really NOTHING is going on.
and everyone thinks somebody else knows something
I have seen it happen when there isn't even a whif of rumour.....completely no explanation
CS, do you see the possibility of zmc remaining independent and growing to full potential on its own?

Any indication DW is concerned?
@CS we like to speculate obout an eventual share price around. Did the Zenn employees do that also ?

CS: Do you think the OSC was satisfied with its inquiry into the 2009 "irregularity"? Or were they unsatisfied, and so
keeping a closer eye on ZNN stock movement?
We've all seen the stock jump suddenly
but it happen today
Being involved in the science, I'm very concerned about competition in the ceramic ee storage area catching up.

but in general terms any time there is an unexplained spike, the OSC and IIROC make enquiries
Why do you think they halt the stock the other day CS?
wasmaba - +1 in my book for that question
I can't answer for yesterday
nah, i'll settle for 150/sh
:)
Good question wasmaba.
exactly...so selling for less than $500 per share is selling out? i don't think so
Hi CS, thanks for being here. On a scale of 1 to 10, how serious was the OSC situation in 2009 and how was it
different from yesterday?
She's just one of the gang now. Pick your jaw up :)
ty
that was B just trying to pry out information with vinegar rather than honey
Good answer.
CS, we have cadre here with expectations from $50 - $5000/sh for zmc
I think there are competent people in place to manage ZMC and any negotiations post-reveal
Just quoting B
Agree Muftee. Good example
And I think you have to be careful what 'selling out shareholders' means
I was hoping for CS to help us out.
JK using stock as currency is a great thought
lol, we all know what each other think guys.

http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=2035
JK also has a lot of cross-border experience working out deals
lol
Not me
We are familiar with greed. lol
Imo, JK has a lot of business experience in total. I think putting m&a badge on him hides lots of other
knowledge/skills.
Greed wins.
If he's an m and a guy, then you must think Zenn will be doing the acquiring?
the one thing you can rely on is the fact that everybody does better the higher the share price is
intentions are
Too bad Catherine was always so professional about keeping company confidences, eh? We'd have far preferred a
"Chatty Cathy"! :)
No matter what people
No. I don't think that.
and
@CS, speculation that JK is on board to sell out zenn nd the share holders, what do you think?
yes, you were always kind and helpful, but I couldn't get any scoop from you :)
Larry - we spoke on the phone a few times?
What will he negotiate though? He's a m and a guy.
:) thank you
@CS Any background insight into apr 2009 that you can share? Anything we should watch for now or know that you
can share.
RE: JK. I am very happy he is on ZMC's side of the negotiating table
CS: Yes, "just like April 2009" is what the well-informed folks here are saying, too.
repeat of. 2009
ain't that the truth.
Yep I agree
there's been a lot of unexplained runs in the last two years
but I honestly don't know.
As for guesses...if history is any indication, when the halt was put out on the wire...my first thought was that it was
like April 2009 all over again
CS, you may not remember I invited you to our 'reveal' party. didn't know it would be so long coming :)

Any idea why he came aboard.
CS, wrt the recent JK talk here...are you confident that he will maximize the most for us shareholders?

He most definitely has the skill set to communicate any kind of message ZENN needs to put out
Re: Allen Gregg, I never formally met him. Just passed him in the hallway. But I am a news junkie and follow CDN
politics and was a huge fan before I knew he was coming on the board
CS, very little has been mentioned of Allen Gregg, can you share anthing?
LOL wasm
hi CS, glad and sorry that you're here
I bet CS remembers you just fine Larry. :)
Are the big boys worried about competition yet?
Do you have any questions for us CS?
@larry, yes. :)
I suppose if you say you are guessing, that's true of most but a few at Zenn.
yes Larry
Is this THE CS?
:)
PN has covered every possible scenario on his own with his stories, and one of them might even be right. :)

lol, pn
I don't think we've covered the orbital mind control lasers, either.
Taylor = Jack Handy ?
CS - just give me a lead - I will make up the rest
That's been covered in the ufo thread farm. b likes that topic.
Vanessa is a jack of all trades role. In the 'skinny' ZENN there really isn't a formal PR rep
yeah I think we did that one
aliens haven't been covered yet
time will unfold events in its own time
Vanessa is the new PR rep at ZMC?
we covered pretty much every conceivable scenario though :)
:)
no snow in TO btw
My guesses have already been covered by the cadre
Do the folks at ZNN or EESTOR follow us here much?
I think the phones were probably ringing a lot. I pity Vanessa
I'm off to San Francisco in January, get out of snow white. :) Any in T.O? CS
But some of that info should be ageless, CS. 8-)
CS: Well, I guessed you were here to pick up on our rumors, not vice versa. But the cadre of fanboyz can always
hope! :)
Any info I had when I left is outdated now
from your experience in 2009, how busy do you think JK and co were yesterday? :)
It is...there was a diversion earlier.
As for rumours...I honestly don't know anything. Am on the outside now.
Hi CS. Halifax Airport must be shut down tonight we got 12 inches or more of heavy snow.
very good, ty
I am at Air Canada
That's a tough business. Lots of logistical problems. Air Canada iirc.
Hi CS, nice to see you back!
CS, sorry for not following, but where do you work now (if you can say).
CS: So, any rumors and/or info you can share with us?
you can wait for b's book. it might summarize the best of chat.
He is the questioner - give PM the floor
We all have one farmeer. Some find it easier than others. 8-)
just scan for pfuji's input, it's pretty good
AC is good. Busy, but good.
farmEEr - we get to see a new side of PM tonight!
No...there's a boatload of chat...would take hours
LOL
Have you read down CS. Through some of the scenarios?
uh oh PMs charm button got pushed...
I actually had my tablet on the bench testing power supplies and watching chat here.
How are things at AC?
Hi CS, we've never met. My pleasure. 8-)
Welcome CS!
Hi CS :)
Hockey can wait.
I think I am like everyone else....tentatively excited
(i was supposed to be doing that as well. oops)
Hi CS!
Everybody on their best behaviour
yes - but was working. had to focus on my day job
I think they have been working through a MTBF problem, PN you were right about and sme other things

CS is in the house
@CS,What do u thikn about all this action?
cs: hi. weren't you tempted to log on when you had to log on to view yesterday?
ZUP
Hi Flyer
SK: Okay, fair point, LM has included the EESU in some patents, and that does indicate a real commitment of time
and resources.
Joe consumer cannot
The DOD can deal with maintenance
sorry Lens I had an eeTom flashback!
The biggest, best run, maintenance organization in the world is the DOD
Nope PN they are definitely not, but cracking with use or voids with manufacture could be.
  DaveM wrote:
  Do you REALLY believe that Lens??? Why would a company like LM publically associate themselves with EEStor if
  the fundamental science was flawed?
When have I ever asserted the fundamental science is flawed? The key quote from LM is "We don't see any reason
why this can't work." I assume the theory is valid, but... well, I'll say it again: In theory, there's no difference
between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
Why go to the effort and expense to patent an item that does not exist.
hi cs
later pm. I guess no pr tonight. Time to watch my rangers (losing) (hockey). laters
But costs are not a DOD issue
Costs are a problem - even with 100% yield - A PN made up story
see ya pm
Enough. l8rz.
neither am I, but I don't believe they made some agreement and that's it
you could well be right about that Lens
Patents followed.
Employees internally were notified.
Are you assuming LM has actually spent time negotiating contracts for EEStor? I'm not. I don't buy all this "Millions of
EESUs are being built in a secret factory" stuff. In my scenario, EEStor has yet to solve its mass production
roadblocks.
Manufacturing could be problematic, costs could be a problem,
No risk except to reputation - and it was back in the go-go years
the subsequent patents seem to bear it out
LM were involved enough to put out a PR. I don't believe they would have done that on a gentleman's agreement and
no actual project work
PN, sometimes you take a shot, especially is the financial risk is low.
Borealis had a single proto - and the science was good - manufacturing is hopeless but....
Benn there done that, the science is a done deal
  thank you pfujimoto for sharing your thoughts
Boeing did it with Borealis on thermopower chips
DaveM, don't let lens take you off on a side trail.
if the bank folds, do you get your sole back?
not enough options to make it worthwhile I think Muf
Do you REALLY believe that Lens??? Why would a company like LM publically associate themselves with EEStor if the
fundamental science was flawed?
lol
I avoided that fate Tim - barely
the question is, how much have they invested into the eestor project in things like patents and working together with
eestor
BTW I was wondering at some point if the MS selling was to bring the trailing average down for either a purchase or
for additional options or something else based on the trailing price of the stock. Dunno though.

JV - like I have been saying
I hope they don't foreclose on PN's soul
DW has said that LM was his interface to government contracts. A difficult and time consuming task. LM is great for
that. Any other assumption is a mistake.
SK: So how has LM invested in EEStor indirectly?
And in the end - I sold my soul to the Bank
LOL! Yes, Pico.
Lensman, that is obviously wrong, they have invested... but not in eestor directly
lens: smiling lip service.
If for prototyping, or turning it into jobs etc.
I had 50 cents in my pocket - it was enough - but I had time back then
LM's support amounts to nothing more than lip service.
VC's are easy if you are ok with selling your soul
I never went the grant route either
If the money is allocated by the grantor for basic research that's where it must go.
LM at one point said it hasn't invested a dime. So that's hardly much of a commitment.
More than VC's?
It's more important what the grant is targeting than how well written it is.
thanks tesla happy thanksgiving
They're a colossal pain in the ass, which is why I never took that road
tf: happy turkey day.
We won't get the grant - still learning how to write them SK
I put a lot of stock in LMs involvement Lens, I think they aren't playing telephone
Well, off to holiday frivolities. Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Try not to eat yourself into agony. lol.

good luck with the grant PN :)
If we get the grant and put it into distribution - its an Angel play
but any time from now is ok with me :)
yeah, if he revealed in 2009, I would have an avg price of 5.4
I believe Lens
...a different form...
Yes, underpromise and overdeliver.
It seems to be a very common problem here that people believe something is real just because they become
convinced that someone else believes it's real. B is far from the only one who is doing that. The problem there is that
the guy who is convinced it's real... might be convinced for exactly the same reason. So belief becomes just a
different from of the "Telephone game".
And if DW is going to reveal, I am so glad it took him so darn long
I did enough sales projections in my day to know to lowball
1% might be a bit conservative...
yep :)
SK: so i'm not the only one who thinks after I buy that I bought at the last low point?
awesome! it could be a better mousetrap
1% of the available market per annum
$24 Mil ASP - 12 Mil in Distribution
cool it sounds like a good market...
So Dave - I just did a back of the envelope calc on annual sales of the instrument I am working on
sub 60c it looked like it could go 40s
Not quite Liberty. You can call it dumping if you want as yes they sold a whole ton low. But again it was how they
sold it that was interesting and is important
You don't know until hindsight
Me too PN, but he may turn out to be right.
b makes mistakes in interpretation as do all of us.
at each stage I bought there was a chance AHBL soon
If you had an 15kW EESU could you jump your car a couple of hundred times?
I should have waited longer
Ouch. Hopefully she does now. 8-)
so they were dumping at .60, and that is capping?
I screwed up Dave - I believe b
Is your daughter in the Basement unchaperoned EEv
daughter didn't have cables
boys
way to go PN, you are one of the smarter ones here. I was WAY to enthusiastic in 2009
just an example of what is out there. These are big biys with big toys
I bought a little more at .61 and lowered my avg to 1.79. Almost broke even yesterday for about 5 seconds.

sneaky link, thanks Muf
I'm a bad dad.
Jeesh - $1.30 - almost whole again
:0
The order that was there was a little bit more traditional than that one but it was definitely there.
yes, thanks MS
me too isott, I am under 3 now, took long enough!
And the Broker did as ordered
The seller said - get rid of it - get me at least 60 cents
my avg is close to 2.00 now
i bought more at .60
In my world - the seller gets what he wants
why would anyone say, sell these 800000 shares but not above 60 cents?
that's a new strategy for our fav little stock
they were using iceberg orders too
If you are a big investor and you tell you premium broker - get me at least 60 cents - what happens

Doesn't have to be a single owner for one thing. All they had to do was use MS as a broker.
that is what was happening almost exactly
That's my problem with capping, the quantity. I can't picture a non-insider having that many shares either. So I'm
left with a mutual fund with a deadline to get rid of sub $1. Is there any way of finding what mutual funds have/had
znn.v as a stock and if they sold?
http://www.chi-xcanada.com/pdf/news/CXC_X-Berg_...
give you an example in a sec that I just saw
If it's selling other stocks off, then it's rather pointless to try to read the tea leaves regarding what it indicates about
ZNN.
True Muftee, and you sure know more about the trading than most of us.
yes pm. definitetly.
Behavior of a bot muf?
I don't know why they wanted to keep the price down. No clue.
I think the pertinent question is: Is MS selling off other assets, or just ZNN?
SWAG=simple wild ass guess, for all you scientific types..<#_#>
Or WT may be right, someone died, got divorced or something that necessitated the sale.
Yes, as did I (ty for sharing). It looked that way, but it makes no financial sense.
they were not matching bids or looking for large bids. They choose price points and kept it there.
why were they capping muftee?
yes your commentary was very revealing in their actions
I don't blame the big holder
Watching Level II as I did you could see the orders and when they were popping up.
What did they gain? Follow the money muf.
A big holder got tired and got out
but what could possibly be the benefit in selling that many arguably below market rate?
I know DaveM.
Sure they sold 700k shares but it was how they sold them that was important
farmEEr, for some reason the people that I've gotten what I have from are pretty tight lipped lately. From the ones
at GE, I really don't buy ozzy's claims. But I know most bought more when it was down at $.60.

I was thinking about teslas august, and the reports he heard.
That's near 2% of the stock float.
It was how they did it pm not the end result that is important here.
But muff, for 700k?
Well thought out pfuji. Not so sure I agree. It all seems to depend on MS motivations. I'd like to here muftee again.
At the moment I lean towards wt's analysis.
MS were continuously capping any run then walking it back down. They were hiding how many shares were up for
sale with a revolving iceberg orders of 500 or 1000 share blocks.
Cause my August info was something would happen or Zenn would be pissed
lol
er, Pfuji
It does indeed, Pfujo.
np...hope this provides some extra perspective.
You get baned so often - you can't be a murderator
Yes, thanks again Pfuji for sharing.
Muftee, tell me more about capping and what they could possibly gain?
Just a hunch.... : )
was - are you a murderator?
August events, DaveM? Likely not imo.
Thanks pfujimoto :)
Dave - why?
I reiterate that MS was capping not dumping. Big difference.
i think someone wanted out wrt, MS
just about. maybe some small details missing, but you've got the gist now.
Thanks pf, thanks tesla, I think the August events were real.
ummm... they're averaging down Was
I like wt's take on MS dumping because someone wants out or a mutual fund needs to get out of sub $1 stocks.

What you know. All gathered here pf?
Evening all. Anyone care to argue that Paradigm buying is bad? ;-)
Taht's in response to farmEEr.
okay, so that's what I know. taylor, you have your own opinions, and they are just as valid as mine. thanks for
providing balance
They all still own ZNN, and most picked up more around $.60.
I think Paradigm had a lot to do with the turnaround
Taylor, if we were going to buy, or did, it would have been at $.60.
yep. and the past history when zenn released the same pr and eestor announced 2 days later.
i think they also timed it to coincide with the end of the dump
My birdie was a buzzard
yes but they happen to accumulating on the upswing
ihow are tf's birdies doing?
But tf - you and I were saying that last August!
I think paradigm was lucky that MS had been dumping.
Sully said today to expect something in the next few days. Now pf has shared this with us. I find that a reason to be
upbeat.
were Paradigm lucky to buy at the bottom, or did they turn it
combined with paradigm PM
I say buy in two months from now when the stock is back under $0.80
Timing is everything PM
Not a reaction to the artificial downward pressure by MS selloff?
But I was pumping all weekend
I think the sudden run on zenn on modnay is a sign that things are about to blow
any leak, can move the stock up from $.60, even a false one. Nothing here has changed much, except we see in the
last few days how many people are waiting in the wings. And this is nothing compared to what will happen when
brokers and mutual funds can but ZENN after it is off the pink sheets.

yeah, but I can still be bitter about it :)
LOL
SK the game is rigged - get over it
Well jk sure thinks it is soon with his options waiting
Pfuji: Of course I have no idea how often you get info thru your investor grapevine, but is there any "buzz" which
indicates something is about to break? You have laid it out pretty plainly what the history has been, regarding EEStor
needing money, rumors, then an announcement. Do you think we're in the middle of the same thing happening
again?
bastards
a lot of the trading today was us going wild trying to figure out what is goign on, but I think there is still an
underlying accumulation happening
And we know Paradigm has inside stuff
i will be happy to be wrong, but go ahead an load up on more Zenn.
Could you say why you think it will be this week, pfuji?
yes
IF this is correct, then it started with Paradigm, and they've been buying for weeks
lol
I will be happy to be wrong
Taylor, breath in to a paper bag a few times. :)
I think this is ready to go, and I think it's going to be this week.
I agree pf
Lensman -- you don't want to hear the truth?
I think they've held onto it for quite awhile already.
Pfuji said this wht he KNOWS, not mere conjecture like most here do, and I believe him. Thank you again pf.

Ban Lensman for mess up multiple threads
Leak will fester and rot
PN says no news soon
so the question is pfuji, are they going to hang on to this like they did permittivity, or are they actually almost ready
to pull the trigger?
i have some shares to sell at $1.60
yes, thank you for the pump pfujimoto!
Moderator! Cleanup on aisle Taylor.
I don't see a murderator on the wire
mauahahah, Hahahah hehe
ZENN is watching things very, very closely. as soon as EEStor PRs, they'll halt.
I agree with the thought someone offered a couple of days ago. They said they think MS is the next to go down the
tubes, and they are grabbing all the money they can.
And thanks very much Pfuji for sharing your information and ideas. Definitely worth thinking about there.

Yes, believe Lensman, he is never right
They have no solid knowledge, they can make guesses, but the IIROC is satisfied by what they've been told, and
releases the stock for trading
See, I said earlier we should ask Pfuji what he thinks!
DW has been ready for 3 years in case you weren't aware
they honestly don't know, but can guess from what happened last time that DW is getting ready to go.

just like the stock market isn't a bubble, until it is a bubble
So...suddenly ZENN is having to answer some tough questions about why their stock has soared for no reason

Thank you for sharing pfuji
no short squeeze is made up Paradigm
This is not made up
a pump with a short squeeze, believe what you want, we will be here mid-2013 with no reveal
anyway....
paradigm had a good chance to sell at a 100% profit today. they didn't
it's not a short, or it woudl have shown up
My theory assuming they had no market maker role.
that's my guess about MS though.
Paradigm would like a spike then to sell, sounds like a they are priming the pump
800k
I think someone decided they wanted out. they were tired of the story
They are out 500k.
take it or leave it. I'm not an investment advisor, or anyone with any qualification in this field.
And what is MS role in this?
p
m
u
they were smart buyers.
p
suddenly the stock price jumps, with no reason. Paradigm is up 440K shares in a matter of WEEKS with almost no
movement
taylor, chill
can you reveal your source pfuji?
no evidence
or someone smart enough to fool you
pf - is this made up - or did the voice in my head hear about someone that saw this impossibility?
that suddenly passed onto some other people on monday, as with any secret, and those people were stupid enough
or inexperienced enough not to keep their purchases slow and quiet
It's one possible answer to the puzzle.
go ahead pfujimoto we are reading
this is the furtherst you've come in revealing this, isn't it pf?
But I will get another drink first
so, DW has now gotten something PR worthy. he's showing it around. someone he's shown it to leaked a few weeks
ago
pfuji, I appreciate that you are letting us in on what you know. Thank you.
in my opinion, EEStor will not reveal after a obvious pump
I will stick to MO
thanks.
you are doing well pfuj
keep going pfuji, I am listening
Ignore him pf.
I'm trying to pass on some knowledge.
and i am underwater
why, i own more shares than you do
you should sell taylor, you'll \make a good profit
i'm not in a mood to put up with your bs.
why, did you buy at $1.50?
Shutup taylor.
pump and dump
Now... Suddenly the stock has been drifiting up on higher volume, then spikes. IIROC goes "WTF?" ZENN Honestly
goes "Dunno"
i will buy at $0.40
holy pump Batman, people are talking about $400 a share
I'm giving you guys a full account of what I know.
not supposition. FACT
This is all FACT
If you have two lines of charge does the superposition of the charge add or cancel or depend on the phase

followed by "we will be making paymment once we have verified this. it might take a bit, since we just heard about
this at the same time as the rest of the world"
Lottery stock.
Hell, I wouldn't even bother holding on to the srock if I didn't theink it was going to blow peoples minds. That or
bomb completely.
THEN DW publishes the announcement. to which zenn replys by PR "Lookee here!"
But I beat a dead horse in this crowd - might as well go back to MO
THEN ZENN gets asked by the IIROC, "WTF?" To which they honestly say "Dunno"
who are the funders?
THEN someone he showed it to said something to someone, and the stock starts to swing up on higher volume.

Market will want facts - not guesses
yeah but not 99% :)
DW will not be there by that point most likely and it will be TW running things I suspect
JK has seen the books. he knows EEStor needs money. he knows eestor needs money before 12 months is up. Every
time EEStor has needed money in the past, they have met a milestone, certified it, then brought it around to show
different funders.
No matter - it will still make accurate valuation impossible - that always leads to a discount in a mature company

That path is suppose to be ZMC.
PN, if ZMC start churning eesu's the profit margin they make will be apparent. this will drive value on eestor and the
need for some transparency as shareholders in eestor
Just hold on a sec.
And we will have undervalued stock until that happens
i'm being extremely conservative though, but my point is that even the most conservative estimates possible still
mean way more than $12/share
The point is - we need a path to get a look at EEStor's books
I can dream.
ahbl, the elephant in the room in every discussion.
yeah, pico. you got it.
there is no value now, but once AHBL happens I'd wager things will change
Pfuji: sorry just was reading back. You were saying at 2 bill. It would have a sp of 50, but you should use a P/E ratio
of at least 30. So 30x 50!
Will you ever see the books?
Did you see the books?
at this point, the only thing worth seeing is proof of life.
Oh boy
I'd bet he saw them before he made his decision. He is good at M&A because he is into the details. So I think, even
though he has no intention of going the M&A route, he knows it all down to the minutiae.

With no books
think though. He knows that EEStor needs money. the only way for EEStor to get more money is to show something
to someone
nonsense
I have asked the question many times - how are we valuing the EEStor stock
Of zero value to the market
that is a definite, absolute, positive, take it to the bank and spend it on credit
The market does not get to see the books - just some fluff words from JK
ZENN gets to see EEStor's books
PN, you don't thinkthat JK has or will see the books?
Just saying
what Liberty?
Make it a 99% discount
Oh and no one gets to see EEStor's books - so we have no way of valuing the 10.7%
I'd wager i know what set B off
I'd wager that JK has invested in expert outside advice, as well.
I may be underestimating - it might be 90%
bah humbug PN
So add in a 70% liquidity discount
But owning 10.7 percent of a private company - LOL - no liquidity at all
Factoring in Risk and Time Value of Money - means earlier sale than later
I got to disagree on that one larry. Only thing that might effect the sp after reveal would be competition, or some
supply got scarce.
JK will have a keen appreciation of Risk and the Time Value of Money
And JK is so easy to figure out - might as well work on MO
looks like a disease.
lol
distriution
Don't mind me - talking to myself over the mystery of MO theory
And the MO folks say the bond is due to Resonance - but I say Cancellation
my swag is that if this happens there will be alternating periods of euphoria and letdown with wild stock price
gyrations for a few years.
Weibull
so what does JK have in his corner after 12 months?
I think. like he said, he sees the potential, and wants to grab the platinum ring on this Merry Go Round.

So temperature jumbles the phases
I will say it again. I believe that JK is here to defend the company, not to sell it off
MO theory makes you look older. Stock chart voodoo will bring the ladies unless you are like me, shaped like a weir

i'd have to see his eyes, but he sure got b riled up
fully agree tf
Just shift the phase and you can get either
So b thinks he's a late comer to get all those rewards.
he seems like a solid guy. He's excited too.
Just catching up. I don't see JK there for a merger. I think he just saw his large investment circling the bowl and
jumped in with AG and RH to protect their investments. If they hadn't ZMC would already be bankrupt. imo.

And what the hell does Resonant or Anti Resonant mean
right up there with TV
Likely mid to late 50's then. A good age.
pfuj, thanks for turkey recipe, sounds good.
maybe.. check the insider reports
yes
;-)
Doesn't he have 400-500k options in total
younger
gray hair for sure, but not all gray
and you?
60's-ish, i'd say
How old is JK pfuji?
at the AGM, guys...
how so?
you're scaring me pfuj
afterwards huh?
I think he said it once during the meeting, and repeated it for us afterwards
MO Theory or Stock Charting - which is weirder?
In the pike position
and if it does not take off in 12 months, $5 is good
Virtually un anti bonded with a double candlestick formation
Or anTiunbondednot?
JK must know enough to believe it is real
I was standing right next to him
I was there when he gave that quote "If this takes off, it's going to be as big as anything we've seen"

if eestor have the nuts
lol, it's all very confusing.
how old is Koffman?
he knows the potential of the stock, and he's here to see it happen
Or was that not unantibonded. ?
I really don't see a sell out for less than $50
2 billion/40 million shares = $50
Old from a backwards school
pfuj, trust? did Koffman say that to you?
yep and zenn would be about $50-60
You are a dinosaur PN. lol
TriPle negative. Not unantibonded
10 percent of 20 billion is 2 billion
Except BT does not work that way
I can see eestor going to 20 billion within a few years if they ramp up production fast
he is quite well aware that 150k x $500/share is way better than 150k x $12/share
Just let me share valence electrons - its enough
electron clouds and you can expand them :)
I'm hoping the constraints together give a full picture with full skills available.
Anti Bonding Orbitals - Jeesh
he wants to make shareholder value
that is make a profit, $12, $20, whatever
trust me, i've met the man. he's looking at the big picture here
in addition to the 12 month, news based ones
I think she is constrained like me in some areas but basic engineering is open game
that is not his own shares
150k, iirc
when he joined the board
he was granted a bunch of options
i know about the 12 month option contracts
Has a year.
kofman is here for defence against a merger
Options liberty.
31 tonight.
pfuji, how do we know he has shares, did i miss that purchase?
Got cold here. Prolly freeze where you are
who knows what the agreement allows zmc to do?
in that order Fibb?
$50 a share
I passed the paper to Christine Eev. No extra comments yet though.
Next way point is $2.5 Billion
why not sublicense?
see you late tonight. time to scoot and eat and curl!
That will do eev.
I will settle for the daughter and jumper cables though
Phone typing sucks.
kofman has shares of his own, he doesn't want to make a quick buck on this one. he wants to hold on and see how
high it can get
Eev, I use verizon for road service. It's a few bucks a month and nationwide. I just consider it part of the phone bill.

lol, 6 posts b time i got 1 out
A Billion / 50 Million Shares - my prediction $20
doubt it
but Koffman is here to make a sale (merger) happen
aaa
scared me too, till i read the entire conversation
My 7 year old battery died. I'm stuck at work. I need an EESU now.
yeah, nothing to do with a quote from jim kofman, or any other info
ok, out of a hat number
b pulled 12 out of a dark place
can I have a 'redo' in 5 yrs, with the ability to sell for $12?
ahh this is confusing
meaning b's hat.
out of my hat
b said 'i'm just pulling a number at random out of his hat'
He was just throwing that out as an example lib, not a real statement.
so he is here to sell before a real reveal?
read farther down lib.
Koffman wants to sell for $12 a share??
A lot of special people here fibb. 8-)
Saving Marine Lives - Semper Fi
Yes, sk. I saw it too. Kinda like having half a brick in your hand and walking by a large glass window.. I think that
was Maugham.
This is great: "It takes some special type of creep to shit in the middle of that table."
solly 2hard 2type on phone
I would think he would dfw. Given his background.
it would not logically follow to have it out ther, not public, but dw might consider military to b out there

8-) sk. ty.
it took great restraint when you read PM's line
However, the Bear I was Bait for was my Halloween costume this year
larry, dfw won't answer if he doesn't feel the need.
How long is b making lurkers log in?
now if only all us could do that SK
I am going to refrain from making a very rude comment
I have been used as Bear Bait - very exciting
I try to keep them trimmed. btw, they belong to the gf. I just borrow them. 8-)
dfw, did you see page's question?
claaws r definnitly out
My cats know enough to not use their claws.
nite Fibb. bbl
dfw?
LOL SK
bye bear battling man
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        entually huh.... wha?
Daniel R Plante I love all these "could enable" articles :)
Daniel R Plante wt, yeah I would imagine that once the chicklets are fully formed, you're
                pretty much home and dry. You still have much greater handling requirements
                compared no normal capacitor though. Can't tough them with ungloved
                fingers or anything like that.
    dfwrunner oops, repeat
     dfwrunner    New nanoparticle copper compound cathode could enable low-cost,
                  long-life and high-power potassium-ion batteries for grid storage

Daniel R Plante huh, single atomic layer
     dfwrunner    Researchers rebuild the brain's circuitry
  whiskeythief well, the ouput of that module is a bucket of chicklets that you can count and
                shuffle
Daniel R Plante wt, yes it does. Both.
     dfwrunner    First proof of single atomic layer material with zero electrical
                  resistance
Daniel R Plante nite colo
Daniel R Plante Your saving grace is that you don't need to control feature geometries to a
                few nanometers like they need in the semi industry. EEStor's complete body
                of publicly released IP makes it clear on the whole that various sorts of "self
                assembly" and "self arrangement" wrt minimum energy level configuratins at
                the molecular level, take care of most of this enormous requirement.

  whiskeythief server manuf. is not the same level as chip fab but the EESU has elements of
               both
  whiskeythief I supported manuf. and we had pilot lines for some of our servers. My
               expectations come from my experience, that doesn't make them right.

       colorodo It is always nice when EEV is here. Great story from Paul. Nite.
Daniel R Plante Basically, you need near-processor-chip levels of environmental control and
                process step precision, but at 1,000x less cost. One microscopic dust mote
                can span both plates in an element/component.

Daniel R Plante would be nice if EEv was here
  whiskeythief I will agree to your recolllection as I have no confidence in my own

Daniel R Plante pretty sure it was "exclusive ownership of product from the first line, and so
                much percentage of other production" but I'm not confident of the source or
                my memory
  whiskeythief With working modules, good data, and working units, the extra work to put
                the pilot line into production is probably more than ramp.

  whiskeythief idk, I think it was first product, not first line.
Daniel R Plante I guess it depends on how "the first line" is defined in the contract (shrug)

Daniel R Plante oh, you mean the bit about Zenn contractually having ownership of all product
                off the first line
  whiskeythief He will be too busy with ramp
Daniel R Plante wasm, yeah expensive. But expense can be mitigated by highly controlled
                automated process.
  whiskeythief DW is not going to do production runs on his pilot line
Daniel R Plante ?
  whiskeythief IMO
  whiskeythief that's how ZMC got screwed
Daniel R Plante pilot line. Agreed, proly not
Daniel R Plante The only requirement wil be exacting reproduction of the line, the process
                control and the environment before finished component rolls out.

  whiskeythief the unfortunate result of my analysis is that DW is not going into production
                with the pilot line.
Daniel R Plante continuous or batch
Daniel R Plante wt, yep
Daniel R Plante wasm, yeah. Possible, but not certain. But, "possible" means production
                process engineer intimately acquainted with these kinds of severe
                requirements, would advise absolute identical replication. Housing very many
                absolutely identical lines in a single large space is probably a requirement,
                even if each line is sealed.
  whiskeythief DW is not going to implement the robot overhead for his pilot line modules
                that are not replicated.
  whiskeythief robot overhead picks up the work and takes it to the next place
  whiskeythief I've seen videos of the intel labs. They have long rows of identical modules,
               identical machines doing the same thing.
        wasm I can see that.
Daniel R Plante even slight temperature gradients in the air surrounding the line (which might
                be affected by the relative placement of modules on any one particular
                buildout of a line) could be critical.
         wasm @drp, that makes it sound expensive. yikes!
Daniel R Plante All I'm saying is that the required repeatability, at every small point in the line
                and the process, will be unprecedented in its requirement for repeatability and
                precision for a largevolume output of product. It will make Intel's
                revolutionary (and necessary) concept of "repeat exactly" look like 30 teens
                had a food fight.

  whiskeythief As a product developer, I always look for the minimum work to get what we
               need to work. What do we have to do now, what can we do later.

  whiskeythief maybe not that simplistic. But the constraints can be defined in pilot line and
               not fully automated.
        wasm I like that notion.
  whiskeythief In my mind, each module finishes it's part and there is a shelf life before the
               next module.
        wasm lol
Daniel R Plante :)
Daniel R Plante OK, my point is that the most insanely slight variations in the context could
                possibly throw everything off, so however you prove the line, you had better
                do the next exactly the same to 8 decimal places..... batch or continuous, or
                robots or Old-Spice-saturated Mexican labour....

          wasm ruins the day. :)
          wasm old spice!
  whiskeythief second ramp will be cheaper
Daniel R Plante Wall-E
  whiskeythief there will be some manuf. engineering to ramp
          wasm robots have hands too...
Daniel R Plante "I mean they push the wagon over to the next one by hand" - ok agreed, but
                as long as they push the cart as the same speed, and the guy is wearing the
                same aftershave all the time, etc. :) That's what I mean.

  whiskeythief No each module runs independently. Output of one module is wheeled over to
                the next one by hand.
Daniel R Plante ok, you mean a single line with modules running concurrently, regardless of
                throughput-balance considerations?
  whiskeythief sorry DRP, I mean they push the wagon over to the next one by hand
  whiskeythief one of each module, good data, that's all they are going to get from the pilot
                line. Everything else is busy work.
Daniel R Plante Sorry, I thought you were saying "validate this module by evaluating its
                output, then in a seperate context and possibly at some other time, validate
                another module by evaluating its output, etc", then making assumptions of
                how those modules/steps would work if they were then connected into one
                continuous line, whether continuous or batch.

  whiskeythief that causes any interconnect infrastructure on the pilot line to be throwaway
                work.
Daniel R Plante yes, to balance varried throughput
  whiskeythief for example
  whiskeythief To create a 'work flow' it is likely to require x number of printing modules for
                7 numbers of easy bake oven modules to 3 flow solder modules to 1 assembly
                module.
Daniel R Plante wasm :)
          wasm sorry, I think I interrupted.
Daniel R Plante yeah, maybe we're talking past each other
          wasm It was a point of laughter in a recent conference call.
  whiskeythief I will try to explain what I mean.
Daniel R Plante duplicate modules? Don't know what you mean. Prove a complete
                manufacturing run, and then prove a replication of that manufacturing setup
                and then prove its run, yes.
         wasm They last too long. They don't break.
  whiskeythief any infrastructure between modules on the pilot line would be throw away
                work
         wasm There is a huge problem with HP servers. Particularly the some of the ones
                WT help to develop.
Daniel R Plante EESU tech and workflow considerations, due to this almost-impossible
                bleeding edge production technology, must be evaluated in concert because
                they will inevitably affect each other. Tolerances, in every possible respect,
                will necessarily be much too small.

  whiskeythief for example 4 calcining modules feed one assembly module. You realy think
               they have to duplicate modules on the pilot line to prove it works?

        farmEEr amazing what a little price movement will stir up
          wasm nite G
Daniel R Plante nite G
  whiskeythief gn G
Daniel R Plante dwell-time differences in proto-product, contamination, even feedback
                harmonics between moving machinery in seperate modules that don;t
                manifest until they are even loosely associated on a straight run. I've been
                through this too many times.
  whiskeythief most likely the output of each module is NOT the same as the input of the
                next.
              G G'night everyone
  whiskeythief How do you implement the pilot line (minimal functionality) if the modules are
               not one to one?
  whiskeythief Do you think the work flow management is a challenge compared to EESU
               tech?
  whiskeythief naive
Daniel R Plante I would never accept that wt
  whiskeythief I think you can hand wave. This rack of trays gets moved automacially over to
               here and then watch this.
Daniel R Plante SK - "yep I agree with you, but I'm not going to take a certification on paper
                as gospel, I'm going to want to see a line working and product that it
                produced" - I'm sayng that is what the cert from the world class 3rd party
                would be based on. I wouldn't accept anything less either.

  whiskeythief SK it's not a certification on paper, the modules physically exist and can be
                analyzed
Daniel R Plante No production expert will advise an investor to rely on that, I guarantee it.

Daniel R Plante I've designed modules that work as expected, than put them together and
                haywire ensued. The unanticipatable interactive problems that can ensue are
                legion.
  whiskeythief Most likely it requires 3 of on module to support 7 of the next, and only one
                assembly module.
  Shere Khaan Zenn and KP already invested in the pre production line phase, the next is
                post production line development
  whiskeythief Every module can be documented and tested. All the data you need to
                calculate the cost and output of ramp up.
  Shere Khaan yep I agree with you, but I'm not going to take a certification on paper as
                gospel, I'm going to want to see a line working and product that it produced

Daniel R Plante SK, people investing long does not require immediate production results, just
                a guaranteed timeframe and probable return rate
  Shere Khaan if I'm going to give him 200mil I want to see the whole damn thing working
                and printing money off the end :)
  whiskeythief pilot line is just modules, it's the only thing that makes sense now.
  whiskeythief modules. It does not make sense for DW to automate the interconnect for the
               pilot line. ROI and all ya know.
  Shere Khaan yep wt, and that's what I'm saying would have a transitory affect on share
               price. How long do you then have to wait until production etc etc

Daniel R Plante working
Daniel R Plante all together and woring, and proven to be replicabe at a certain rate and
                efficacy, or forget it
Daniel R Plante wt, I wouldn't trust that personally
  Shere Khaan I would expect it ot be a few lines so they aren't certifying a fluke
Daniel R Plante part = party
  whiskeythief SK not necessarily, he can do it with data from the pilot line, individual
                modules without ever running it 24/7
Daniel R Plante SK, yes that line would be what the 3rd part certs would be based on,
                presumably
Daniel R Plante it won't be a perfectly flat ramp line on the stock ticker pages, but yeah

  Shere Khaan guaranteed would have something up and running as an example producing
                eesus at a reasonable rate
Daniel R Plante SK, a public/fund corp/investment house/energy sector giant that has been
                convinced by a globally cerdible 3rd party that a completely certified line WILL
                be reproducible and WILL deliver, is all it would take to maintain a meteoric
                stock rise. What else would you need? That pretty much guarantees a certain
                multiple of projected p/s based on projected eps.

  Shere Khaan Zenn will still be tubing money and I think we would find that certification of
                future factories would only have an ephermal uephoric effect on the
                shareprice
Daniel R Plante nite b
  Shere Khaan DRP, I can se a spike but for sustained sp for the time it takes to do a capital
                raising I see 20-30 max
Daniel R Plante nite Fibb
            Fibb GN i/m out
Daniel R Plante SK, all it takes is believable (famous) 3rd party certification of ED, PD, safety,
                production rate & yield, raw material accessibility. No prior production
                necessary.
  Shere Khaan night
     eestorblog good night
     eestorblog I just realized I've been in chat for the last several minutes...chatting while I
                sleep. Hope I didn't say anything too crazy

            Fibb from
            Fibb B just got a call fro dw. tomorrow is the day
   Shere Khaan what's that B?
           Fibb this all assumes dw has all production numbers lined up and cost/yield is
                fantastic.
     eestorblog Oh wow
                G Seriously B call me and we can both do some DD here.
   Shere Khaan or 2 bil I should say
            Fibb I can
   Shere Khaan can't see zenn hitting market cap of 1 bil without production already from
                eestor
           Fibb $200m goes to DW, ZMC get's 10% more of eestor, etc
            Fibb DW demos 10x on leno. znn goes to $50. dilute enough for $200m
Daniel R Plante Fibb, money up front for ramp, and yes obviously royalties per kWh, variable
                by product class (high ED vs high PD, etc)
  Shere Khaan how are they going to get to $50 without the 200 mil?
            Fibb I think ZMC should get another 10% in exchange for 200 million in cash plus
                 first production and suv license and all done by diluting shares at $50

     eestorblog Ok sk
   Shere Khaan B feel free to call me to confirm my amazing sources
Daniel R Plante diff classes of shares too, with different rights.....
          wasm yes
Daniel R Plante wrt dilution
          wasm DRP has it correct, but we are unlikely to know about it for some time.

            Fibb free eesus for 10 years?
Daniel R Plante wasm, good point ;)
            Fibb equity?
            Fibb yes proof of production with certified numbers and...... royalties?
       colorodo G you got off easy. Lately anyone shows up with NNN and B calls them lots of
                names. I think it is his strategy to pump info.
           Fibb j/k
Daniel R Plante DW has to give up stealth wrt verifiable product performance off the line, and
                verifiable performance wrt throughput, yield & safety, to some monied
                interests, for any serious ramp up financing.
           Fibb makes him feel like a big man
                G What's the point in grilling me then?
            Fibb seems to me znn money is cheap and easy.
     eestorblog :-)
          wasm I bet if Po had 1% he might vote different than B with 1%
     eestorblog I probably won't call though
            Fibb i wonder if eestor can give up any more equity.
     eestorblog Thx g
          wasm Perhaps the Weirs can afford to be diluted... but just not to KP.
            Fibb so BJ is not an eestor director, sorry pm
  Shere Khaan my heart bleeds for me
               G B call me if you want to. I won't tell you who the contact is but I will give you
                 enough information that you can put it together if my contact was telling the
                 truth. Then we both learn something.
            Fibb KP is being diluted out? poor al gore
     eestorblog Topfer told me they were being diluted out. That was in 2009.
           Y_Po eestorblog, you idiot, nobody believes me or believes the opposite, so I am
                 trying to help you
            Fibb drp email me
            Fibb and what does dw have to give up for ramp up financing?
Daniel R Plante navy metaphors?
     eestorblog Don't know fibb
  Shere Khaan paradigm screwed up that plan
            Fibb b, does kp have first refusal on dw financing?
  whiskeythief thanks for your insights G
     eestorblog Ypo, don't reveal my true intentions please. I'm trying to take over Zenn on a
                discount basis.
           Fibb a certain dude who uses navy metaphors?
            Fibb one of our favourites?
  whiskeythief I finally get it G, thanks.
       HEEman G has inside scoop. Deeeeeep inside scoopl
     eestorblog Stands to reason a good theorist about the future wouldn't sell at a loss

           Y_Po don't sell your shares to B/TV
            G I am not positive either but history has shown me that this person knows
               what they are talking about.
  whiskeythief whoa, G.
       HEEman B why the rolling block outs? I've been such a good boy.
            Fibb B who you answering, no not +
           Y_Po AHBL is very close
     eestorblog That's why I asked who was selling today
           Y_Po along with TV
           Y_Po he is accumulating zenn stock
     eestorblog No not positive.
Daniel R Plante All of that essentially boils doen to "whim", and publicly unknown financial
                details, to put it bluntly.
          Y_Po that's what he wants you to think
            Fibb yes he has. best course for him if you ask me. safest.
  whiskeythief B has changed sides now
               G   eestorblog I'm not saying there won't be people and orgs who know the
                   deal before everyone else
                 but you are 100% positive we didn't find one of these people and that they
                 were willing to talk.
            Fibb b, does kp have first refusal on dw financing?
            Fibb excessive is good at collecting chat.
  Shere Khaan it burnt out the fan motor
          wasm poo
     eestorblog :-)
     eestorblog the shit is stuck in the fan
          wasm SK, shame on you.
  Shere Khaan and a nice shade of green it is
     eestorblog Anyway, I admit I'm jaded
  Shere Khaan oops I shouldn't start baseless rumours like that
Daniel R Plante This isn't predicated on the aggregate movements of an entire industry, or
                even a single corporation as normally concieved. In tis particular instance,
                timing of the release of 3rd party info is dependent on the emotional and
                mental calculations of one man. Most people I talk with don;t seem to be able
                to internalize that weird fact.

  Shere Khaan *through
            Fibb I'm a wreck
  Shere Khaan or maybe he did it rhgouh Paradigm?
            Fibb couldn't stomach it col
  Shere Khaan or he ahs and didn't tell you :)
            Fibb een hasn't invoked his plan yet of buying "before the players do'
  Shere Khaan don't forget Spring 2012 is back IN
       colorodo Fibb if you have time please harvest paul's stuff and b's rebuttal
          wasm Fibb... come on, you know the answer to that one. :)
  Shere Khaan poor Fibb
            Fibb why do people feel the need to go out on a limb and predict the reveal?

     eestorblog I'm not saying there won't be people and orgs who know the deal before
                everyone else
         wasm G, folks here will tear you up. You have been around long enought to know
                that.
           Fibb I can't take all this teasing
               G B I fully agree that only eestor knows when they are going to do whatever it
                 is they are going to do. They can also change their mind at any point if they
                 choose to. But the clock is running short and it is eestors turn to make a
                 move.
            Fibb yup
Daniel R Plante Fibb, it could happen tomorrow or 2 years from now
            Fibb tesla and pn did it to me in august. sucked royally
          wasm G, "based on the facts behind the stock movement"
            Fibb too painful if it doesn't happen
            Fibb I refuse to believe we are that close.
     eestorblog Just waiting sk
     eestorblog G, last bit of advice. When a source says it looks like ahbl is this week,
                respond with how much stock do you plan to sell prior to that? :-)

  Shere Khaan Hey B, you sick of blogs at the moment?
  whiskeythief right up until the DW discloses part
            Fibb If ZMC helps DW with fiancing then going public makes sense plus DW et al
                 who own znn can cash in personally by sending znn way up.

          wasm no doubt Dan. :)
  whiskeythief OK G, I get that.
Daniel R Plante G, yes
Daniel R Plante life (and people) are complicated
              G This is not based on the stock movement. It is based on the facts behind the
                stock movement.
  whiskeythief Cannacord and Paradigm can all hear about leaks and rock the market, but it
                doesn't mean we will ever hear anything.
Daniel R Plante who knows?
Daniel R Plante and loyalty maybe
Daniel R Plante business strategy
Daniel R Plante things come together enough, you get to a certain point, you weigh the
                options and you pick one
         wasm :)
  Shere Khaan or pro-duck-shun
  Shere Khaan hope comes every day in science publications for breakthrough batteries.
                What the world needs is production
Daniel R Plante I imagine he doesn't "have" to
          Fibb I think it's always a goood time to give thw world hope but at the expense of
               a stategic advantage of stealth?
  Shere Khaan I just hop it really is... all working
  whiskeythief but why does he have to disclose anything?
Daniel R Plante wt, yes he can ;)
     eestorblog We'll be publishing soon in 2011
  whiskeythief to get financing - that's the story
  whiskeythief If he had to
           Fibb WT so why would DW go public?
  whiskeythief without disclosing anything
Daniel R Plante Fibb - 1/2 $Mil from Zenn almost immediately, plus public attention about
                validity of tech if nothing else.
  whiskeythief He can do all that without going public
           Fibb p=up
       HEEman Lights him up with it.
           Y_Po fuji is better pageman than pageman, that's how
           Fibb what does DW give p for the money?
  whiskeythief I don't get why pfuji thinks DW goes public with it
       HEEman He shows the eesu to some sugar daddy
     eestorblog Now here is 2011. Stock movement means this time it is for real? Uh....no.

           Fibb KP has first refusal? what's that mean?
           Fibb i don't get how fuji thinks DW gets money.
  Shere Khaan never mention d!CK W#!R or ##5tor to me ever again
  Shere Khaan and afrl-gate
     eestorblog for sandia and afrl
     eestorblog in 2010 we had the canceled testing party
  Shere Khaan rock video in 11
     eestorblog press release from dw in 2007
Daniel R Plante colo :D
              G I have done a lot of DD against this source everything has come back good.

     eestorblog leaked audio in 2009
           Y_Po I bought already
     eestorblog Eesu in 2008
       HEEman PO I predict you will be buying this week.
           Y_Po 3 years ago
           Y_Po Muhahahahahaha
           Y_Po EESU in December 2008!
     eestorblog G, if you learn something you can verify...that is gold...even if when your dd
                shows it wasn't true at least you learned something about the source

       colorodo that is what my wife calls the blog
  Shere Khaan B is a grizzled old verteran when it comes to eestor expectations and reality :)

       colorodo lol
Daniel R Plante :)
Daniel R Plante Sounds like an EEStor Docudrama?
       colorodo HBO, very good
  Shere Khaan And by golly I sure won't be doing one for tonight
  whiskeythief colo it is late afternoon central time, it is a big quote block
  Shere Khaan    http://theeestory.com/messages/1897585
Daniel R Plante colo, a movie?
     eestorblog G, it is a simple point at this stage in the game. Dw and only dw knows if and
                when ahbl. If a source tells you something and it isn't based on a publicly
                knowable action of Eestor...then it is probably not useful. Exceptions exist
                sure but rule of thumb says no.
       colorodo DRP have you seen bored to death yet?
       colorodo SK where is you summary of last night?
Daniel R Plante he's eating popcorn
  Shere Khaan or wasm just wasn't paying attention
          wasm sorry, that was one finger typing.
          wasm interestig
              G They have told me some numbers and I am going to do my best to verify
                them
     eestorblog after all, if they are a good source about predicting the actions of others, they
                can probably shed light on their own history
              G B with the information that I am hearing recently it makes me wonder what
                you have been hearing since you are much more connected than I am.

    eestorblog G, if you find out that your source was selling, see if you can learn how much
                they picked up at .65 or lower
Daniel R Plante LOL
Daniel R Plante \o/ !! :)
          wasm Po sleeps with the fishes for a couple of minutes.
  Shere Khaan don't talk to po about lists... he can't get them right at all lately
Daniel R Plante yeah Y_Po, you need to get on pageman's list
  Shere Khaan he wants to know what ou think first po
     eestorblog I don't
  whiskeythief their dipoles shifted through 45 degrees
           Y_Po I wonder what pageman thinks
           Y_Po eestorblog, right
     eestorblog Ypo, investors suddenly realized this isn't a simple dipole system
               G Not my prediction
  whiskeythief ROFL
           Y_Po eestorblog, so, why this share price increase? AHBL? right?
      HEEman Dan use you super enlarged cranial sack and get to work on figuring out our
               sitch.
    eestorblog Well, if you get a discount on the drugs, I guess the predicted press release
               isn't so important
  Shere Khaan actually maybe I'll just go have a cup of tea and ignore it all
               G np dan
Daniel R Plante lots of work
Daniel R Plante SK, DD
Daniel R Plante G, thanks for working with Paul on all this. Plugs a lot of holes I haven't been
                able to get to.
  Shere Khaan man I need some of what you guys are on to follow this
Daniel R Plante LOL
Daniel R Plante romper room time
          wasm :)
               G Only the best
Daniel R Plante oh man :)
     eestorblog G, are you also buying drugs from this source?
Daniel R Plante G, ok thanks. Confirms my guess.
  whiskeythief lol privately? Yea I reckon.
Daniel R Plante interesting question..... do I feel some kidd gloves coming off?
     eestorblog Privately if need be
              G B this specific source is one of your sources. You have talked to them many
                times
     eestorblog May I learn which house this was?
Daniel R Plante I didn't see his house
     eestorblog G, a better question might be were you buying your source's stock today?

Daniel R Plante b, if his source was selling, his source's house would have shown up

     eestorblog cageman
               G I didn't talk to them myself today
     eestorblog Does he have a govt grant like oageman?
           Y_Po just a little
     eestorblog ask
     eestorblog that's how you can find out
           Y_Po hey, eestorblog, pfujimoto has been pagemaning around a little
    eestorblog G, one way you have of knowing is to ask your source, were you selling
                today?
Daniel R Plante Cannacord
            G I can tell you the houses same as anybody but I don't know the people behind
              it
  Shere Khaan westcoast must be on the outer these days, he dropped by on the 22nd

          wasm Cannacord, IIRC
          wasm thanks G.
     eestorblog Who was selling today?
               G The truth. I have no way of knowing
Daniel R Plante b, I didn't see that source in Muftee's daily summaries
    eestorblog They pumped you full of hope. Pointed out this situation seems to fit the
               permittivity announcement. And you aren't sure if they were selling?
               Huh?????
  Shere Khaan a slack one if you ask me
     eestorblog what kind of answer is that?
     eestorblog They didn't say?
          wasm Larry made decent point. will see how it fits. Go B with G.
  Shere Khaan did you see what I did there?
Daniel R Plante close shave :)
Daniel R Plante LOL
  Shere Khaan do you like the old name or wasm?
Daniel R Plante "wasm"? Hey, you got a haircut :)
               G Don't know they didn't say
          wasm nice, :)
               G Hey B
     eestorblog G was your source selling today?
  Shere Khaan we need another trader user called Whiz
        Johnny anyone have a rough estimate of how much money is known to have been
                invested in EEStor?
              G The source the information came from has only been wrong about one small
                item and they said it was a guess. All of their other information has been
                correct as far as I am able to confirm.
     eestorblog G
       HEEman Hey Bill300 is in the house. Bill report please.
       HEEman Press release in a week or less?
       HEEman So you concur then G?
  whiskeythief
                  For Muftee
                   pfujimoto wrote:
                   Jones and jitney These two are clearing houses for the US institutions
                   9:07pm 24Nov11
                   pfujimoto wrote:
                   Canaccord does NOT offer DMA
                   pfujimoto wrote:
                   blind DMA is available through Jitney and Jones
               G col pfuji and I have much of the same information but he is much better at
                 writing then I am. We do talk things through together where needed.

Daniel R Plante flyer - "somethings up with all this stock movement" - 75% probability IMO

       HEEman Can anyone splain how the order for 1.29 got into the market though. I must
                have missed this when I glossed over chat.
Daniel R Plante Lens - An assumption that LM is producing some sort of EESUs, or tech based
                on EEStor's IP - that's not an assumption, it's a conjecture that is consistent
                with all the available facts. Unfortunately, they are many of those.

            BKK K is up he flew right by it
       HEEman yeah baby
       HEEman Zenn is UP
       HEEman Something is up.
       HEEman flyer lol
      Lensman Sorry G, not this time. Too busy.
            BKK But it is good to get a little market validation on our time in the wilderness

           flyer somethings up with all this stock movement
Daniel R Plante Paul betrayed an awesome predilection for hard facts and carefully considered
                analysis tonight. Thanks Paul.
              G Lens you do such a great job of putting chat sessions into forum posts would
                you mind doing it again for the pfuji session we just had?

            BKK no doubt assuptions R us
       HEEman Keep em comin
       colorodo Thanks G
       HEEman We are all about ASSumptions here though.
Daniel R Plante you can't "bin" those types of differences
       Lensman Of course it's an assumption, Dan. But it's an assumption that fits with the
               available evidence. An assumption that LM is producing some sort of EESUs,
               or tech based on EEStor's IP, does not fit with the evidence we have.

Daniel R Plante BKK - military grade PD almost certainly requires differences in doping kind
                and level, matrix composition, particle size, etc.
              G I have many bits and pieces. Hard to keep everything straight and put
                everything together in a picture that makes sense.
           BKK cracked
            BKK idea and its not mine uses analogy to hard drive sectors.. represents chicklets
                that may be craked or imperfect for some manufacturing reason

       HEEman That is comforting Dan.
Daniel R Plante Lens - Hard to see why Dick would need ramp-up money when he hasn't
                managed to produce a commercial unit yet - that's an assumption. And define
                "unit".
       HEEman It is so nice to actually have something to talk about here.
       colorodo Agreed G. Just thought you might have a bit more.
Daniel R Plante wt - what about the fact that LM said in a press release that they were going
                to integrate it and help test it? - yes
       HEEman Yes hat's off to Pfuji. Hip hip horray for pfuji.
           BKK he must have a comerical unit are the trade mark guys reviewing a comercial
                use??
Daniel R Plante HEE, I can't see much difference in limit-pushing production finesse between
                PD-specific and ED-specific. China makes cheap using cheap labour. Labour
                has very little to do with the bleeding edge process controls necessary for this
                kind of production.
       HEEman What is a bad sector BKK?
              G Col I have lots but I think you mean specifically about eestor or zenn. Pfuji did
                a great job tonight.
       colorodo where is SK's summary from last night.
       colorodo where is SK
            BKK from
            BKK I like the idea mentioned earlier that bad sectors might define a commercial
                unit form a military unit. no bad sectors means outlandish ED

      HEEman Although the way China has been stealing our military secrets lately I wouldn't
               be surprised if they put out an eesu before we do.
  whiskeythief lol
      Lensman Hard to see why Dick would need ramp-up money when he hasn't managed to
                produce a commercial unit yet.
  whiskeythief what about the fact that LM said in a press release that they were going to
                integrate it and help test it?
Daniel R Plante corporate overhead operational money and ramp-up money
       HEEman Dan I am just kidding when I say cheap. In comparison to the military grade
                eesu is all I mean.
Daniel R Plante we're talking ramp-up money Lens
Daniel R Plante HEE, this can't be made "cheap" the way China does cheap
         Liberty b, did you make y_po go away?
      Lensman But then, I don't believe LM is developing anything based on EEStor tech, so I
              can certainly believe Dick needs money again.
          BKK I think he had the line certified last year after sept. 2010, demo to sandia et.
              al.. Waiting on other partners (we speculated dell black and decker ..but GE
              makes sense). The cert documents hit kinkos and thus the buying

Daniel R Plante As far as I'm concerned, the PRIMARY reason for extensive automation
                approach on the part of Dick Weir, was China.
      Lensman I can't believe that if LM is developing tech based on EEStor's patents, that
                EEStor would have any need to go elsewhere for R&D money. Ramp-up
                money, yes; but not R&D money. That makes no sense at all.

       HEEman No I mean the normal eesu. Everything that is inferior in my house gets the
              label of Cheap made in China. Like when you go the the dollar store and by
              some cheap knock off of Fruit Loops that are called fruity hoops.

         Liberty yes, "it", that which led to pfuji vanishing
Daniel R Plante Lib, "it"?
Daniel R Plante China can't make them cheaper if EEStor's claims wrt 24 hr lights out
                opperation is anywhere near true.
        Liberty g emailed it to pfuji, and pfuji vanished
       HEEman Like a sugar daddy
       HEEman They would give him money to kiss his ass with Dan.
       HEEman Wouldn't DW reserving the "extra special" eesu's for this solve that problem?
                He can sell the rest of us the cheap made in China eesu's that you cannot
                mount on a shark lazer.
       colorodo G! Do you have anything?
Daniel R Plante HEE, I would not give EEStor free money if I already had access to the
                science & tech, and free reign to develop it for specific markets. Why would
                LM?
Daniel R Plante Energy indedendance is one of the top, if not THE top strategic concerns of
                the US DoD IMO, as well as a holy grail of the current administration for a
                myriad of reasons. High ED with militarily-inconsequential PD is a tailorable
                hallmark of this tech if I'm not completely mistaken. There will be no "taken
                black" scenario that leaves the energy markets out of it.

       HEEman Surely LM could dish out a few bazillion for a proven thing.
       HEEman If LM knows this works then why would DW need any money from outside
              sources? Why not just go to those that have seen the tec and know it works.
              This way he keeps the secret squirrel in it's cage.

         Liberty crap
Daniel R Plante and that scenario would probably involve LM sharing science/tech
                development with EEStor with various IP stipulations, and concentrating on
                high PD, while EEStor carried on with high ED / lower PD tech production, but
                LM would probably not be helping with that SPECIFIC goal. Just a WAG.

       HEEman I'm still a little confused on why there was an order for 1.29 though.

           larry If eestor has gone 'black', then they have no money problems and fuji's
                 conjecture is out the window
         Liberty i peeked into the back garage door and saw a giant pizza oven
Daniel R Plante HEE, I think the only way that could be is through the auspices of LM, but that
                would be a seperate but concurrent tack
Daniel R Plante sodium pentathol and a case of Red Bull
       HEEman What does this do to our secret pro duc shun plant though?
       colorodo If I could email your a pound of coffee Paul it would be on it's way.

          wasm lol
  whiskeythief I liked the parts where he was making sense
Daniel R Plante gonna have to sleep on all this
         Liberty that's all the dd i did, dw, not full of shit
       HEEman Noooo don't go.
Daniel R Plante lol
Daniel R Plante :(
Daniel R Plante \o/ !
      pfujimoto tomorrow folks. sorry
      pfujimoto wow. you're right, there's a page 6
       colorodo Now, I'll be walking around all day Monday in a hypothetical adult diaper.

         Liberty i flew out there and drove by all their houses, and banged on the door and
                 saw DW in person
           larry and fuji doesn't even type with a texas accent :)
          wasm nite AMN
Daniel R Plante nite AMN
            AMN ok, can't keep my eyes open any longer...night drp and good all good gents.

Daniel R Plante Lib, where's your DD for us? ;)
            jimp lol
         Liberty we only got pages 1-5
Daniel R Plante thanks! Still reeling :)
            AMN congrats on your daughter's nuptials. proud papa...(was lurking at the time)

  whiskeythief       Y_Po wrote:
                     Canada is wild west of stock market
                     Y_Po wrote:
                     there are no books 9:34pm 24Nov11
Daniel R Plante oh yeah, it's 11:30 for you
          wasm Thanks Paul
           larry pfuji, you didn't pick between my possibilities :)
  Shere Khaan thanks pfuji :)
           AMN @drp..lol..yes, I was already to fall asleep, but thought to check the
                blog...just in time too....almost missed Paul's thoughts
       colorodo That was plenty pfujimoto!
eexpectresults But thanks Paul, very insightful, it will all come in the wash
      pfujimoto no, really, i'm out of info for tonight
            flyer G what did you do?
Daniel R Plante hi AMN, cool huh? :)
           larry as good a possibility as anyone else has offered, or better
  whiskeythief like PM telling PN not to say any more
       colorodo One last hypothetical speculation, Zenn stock price after hypothetical
                announcment?
           jimp Bravo pfuji!
            AMN thank you pfuji.
            jimp yep
  whiskeythief pfuji got spanked by G
eexpectresults Just need the punchline and I'm done is like premature ejact
       Lensman Thank YOU Pfuji! That was very educational.
Daniel R Plante Thanks Paul, awesome
            flyer you must be tired
            jimp uh oh
       colorodo clap, clap, clap!
      pfujimoto thanks for listening
      pfujimoto i'm done guys
       colorodo Damn it G, taking pfujimoto off line in the middle of story hour.
eexpectresults Best Story Ever...George Stromopoplis
           larry ok, po, I'll define fos as a total liar who has nothing but a complete scam to
                 offer. Then I am 0% in agreement with you :)
         Liberty popcorn, get your popcorn
Daniel R Plante This is fun :)
Daniel R Plante Paul is doing phone/email :)
       colorodo G anything to add?
           Y_Po matt agreed, and he is a programmer, he knows how to define things

Daniel R Plante interesting facts: the specifics of the last milestone are not public wrt size,
                format etc, and any change to the Technology Agreement contract is pretty
                much prima facae sbject to OSA section 75(3)
       colorodo Fibb please record this baby... Worth saving.
            jimp fibb - u better
           Y_Po larry, I think I defined it very well
      pfujimoto g. mail
            Fibb I'll be scrolling back to 5:40 pacific.
           larry without a better definition of fos, best I can do
         Liberty what page are we on?
           Y_Po So, what's your y-po scale you little skeptic?
      pfujimoto no fibb
            Fibb pfuji... did you ever end up speaking with IC?
           Y_Po no you were not
           larry I was po
  whiskeythief forward it to me, I'll check it for you
            Fibb I'm back channel Fibb.....
      pfujimoto checking
            Fibb where's my email?
      pfujimoto keep in mind, ZENN has full access to EEStor's books.
           Y_Po larry, be serious
               G fuji please check your e-mail
       colorodo Of course you are pfujimoto, now keep going!
           larry ypo, I think we're all fos, so 100%
           Y_Po matt is 55% if i remember correctly
            Fibb lol, disclaimer boy...
      pfujimoto colo... I doubt that.
            p37 drp, care to comment about "some strange" on the internet?
           Y_Po larry, so, what is it? you call yourself a skeptic that means non-zero y-po
                scale
      pfujimoto disclaimer everyone! don't listen to a word I say. I'm crazy. you're even more
                crazy if you take investment advice/information from some strange you've
                never met from the internet
           Y_Po larry, well it's a odds of y-po being right about Weir being full of shit

            p37 wipo scale... how many folds do you need to keep the crap off your hands?

       colorodo    what about possibility of JV being off books or DOD income?
      pfujimoto agreed larry
           larry never heard of ypo scale
      pfujimoto what did PN say?
      pfujimoto okay, sorry, had a call
           Y_Po larry, so you are a skeptic, what's your y-po scale then?
  whiskeythief You think DW has the verification he needs to get financing, he is just keeping
                it quiet? I do too.
          larry two possible assumptions: 1. eestor is able to meet the last milestone at this
                time. 2. they are not.
      colorodo He is not, but his login got messed up in the banning.
Daniel R Plante colo, is PN baned?
       colorodo Any comment on PN's question pfujimoto?
         Liberty page 6?
      pfujimoto that's guesswork on my part.
     pfujimoto I think KP might have certain rights in their agreement after the last milestone
                is reached, or some such thing
Daniel R Plante not really practically possible for that kind of thing to be "off book" without
                stark illegalities IMO
     pfujimoto i think kp is not much in the picture anymore
      pfujimoto I don't think KP is the fall back plan.
  whiskeythief If KP is DW's fall back plan then he has had it fleshed out for a long time
               waiting to pull the trigger.
    pfujimoto i doubt it's significant if it exists
      pfujimoto the best way to get non diluting cash is togo for financing
       colorodo pfujimoto, question from PN for you: what about possibility of JV being off
                books or DOD income?
           Y_Po pfujimoto, do you believe in magic?
      pfujimoto nobody in the US is going to loan someone money who has no product, no
                 income, and a lot of expenses
            p37 so you think this is best way for dw to get non-diluting money. do i
                 understand correctly?
           larry easiest way to get more sales is to sell more to your current customers.

      pfujimoto but with an announcement of commercialization etc, we're looking at financing
                opening up for him
      pfujimoto yep
      pfujimoto in terms of development and build-out
       colorodo Where is the rest of DW's cash coming from, diluting share sales that KP has
                first right of refusal on?
      pfujimoto i don't think it's that mundane lens. i think it's operating money
      pfujimoto it's like 5 days
      pfujimoto yep 500k US
       Lensman Needs to pay fees at beginning of year? Perhaps rental fees and such?

            p37 i forget, what's the critiera for next znn pymt to eestor? how much, what
                terms?
      pfujimoto okay colorodo, shoot
       colorodo 500K payment right?
      pfujimoto zenn has no more rights to buy more shares anyways AFAIK
      pfujimoto ZENN has the money to fulfill their obligations
      pfujimoto I think DW is up against the money
         tEEpip Christmas works for me, I sure hope you are right.
           larry zenn has no money to buy eestor shares unless their stock goes up and zmc
                 sells shares themselves.
       Lensman Pfuji, you think Dick is up against an end-of-year deadline?
      pfujimoto he needs the money soon. He started looking for money 4-5 months ago, and
                he's ready to go
      pfujimoto then.
      pfujimoto DW can't afford a delay much past them.
      pfujimoto 1 sec
         Liberty ahhhh
       colorodo question pfujimoto?
  whiskeythief k
         Liberty ok
      pfujimoto agreed?
      pfujimoto give it another week or so to get the money wired to the EEStor accounts,
                and you're looking at close to christmas, maybe a little bit after, by the time
                DW sees any money.
           Y_Po Lensman, never a Tyler when you need one
       colorodo guy = buy
       colorodo Hold up bit confused, does Zenn get more shares on announce that KP can
                guy instead?
       Lensman Never a moderator around when you need one.
           Y_Po whiskeythief, why?
      pfujimoto yes KPCB
      pfujimoto that brings us to.. when.. dec 12th?, maybe an extra week past that, so the
                19th?
            p37 who is "they"? KP?
    pfujimoto they have a week or so after that certification/signing/funding to exercise
               their right to buy more shares
  whiskeythief Y_Po STFU
           Y_Po Come on, kofman, anybody?
       colorodo signing for what?
      pfujimoto Here's where the KP first right of refusal comes in...
           larry no Po, still a skeptic :)
Daniel R Plante quite a specific date...
      pfujimoto dec 5th is our signing day
           Y_Po Nobody?
           Y_Po Anyone?
           Y_Po so, who is utterly confident in Kofman?
      pfujimoto wait, i have my weeks off by a bit, rightt
       colorodo What happens Dec 12?
      pfujimoto so we're looking at DEC 12th
            p37 people w/ money on-hand, that is
      pfujimoto so monday is the hypothetical PR, zenn issues a PR after saying 'we need to
                confirm this' give it at least a week after that to a)confirm whatever EEStor
                has said in a fully capable and well thought out DD CYA manner

            p37 JK already has them lined up
Daniel R Plante options
Daniel R Plante option was what I was wondering, yes
       colorodo And zenn hypothetically goes to?
         Liberty dw issues pants soiler monday......................
           larry given the past, proof of science would be the minimum
      pfujimoto lets say enough to trigger the board's options
      pfujimoto yes
      pfujimoto that's why we're hypothetically going home for the day
Daniel R Plante ok, "significant"
Daniel R Plante I'll hypothetically pee my pants :)
      pfujimoto doesn't matter. All it needs to be is something of enough substance that
                someone will be willing to give him more money.
       Lensman :)
            p37 lol colo
       colorodo Ok, I'll hypothetically clear my schedule.
Daniel R Plante Are you assuming PR that deals with "proof of life wrt the validity of the
                science/technology, and not much further?
     pfujimoto sorry. disclaimer. this is hypothetical. we're working on timing here. DW
                hypothetically issues a pr on monday
     pfujimoto right
       colorodo Monday works for me, I'll clear my schedule.
Daniel R Plante Paul, wait a second?
            p37 might want to add that disclaimer in here about now :)
           Y_Po larry, that's not an answer to my question
      pfujimoto we all go home for the day, so we can change our pants.
      pfujimoto DW issues a PR on monday.
           larry Po, look up the definition of skeptic.
       Lensman It's like Pfuji is giving us a glimpse of the other 90% of the iceberg. I don't
                know if all his conclusions are correct, but his deep and detailed knowledge at
                least make his premises better informed than anyone else I've seen theorize
                on the subject here!
      pfujimoto back to our hypothetical
           Y_Po larry, so, when you became a skeptic, I need to make a record in the book

      pfujimoto my reasoning on that is a bit off.
        EEthylic Moderator, PLEASE shut Y_PO
      pfujimoto ignore that part and listen to the rest
           Y_Po pfujimoto is as full of shit as the rest of you
      pfujimoto hold on wt.
      pfujimoto we all go nuts
           Y_Po DD work my ass
  whiskeythief I was with you until you said DW will tell the world. I don't see why this has to
               be anything that DW intends to disclose publicly. Same leaks, same money
               scenario, same proof, but why do you think he is going public with it?

      pfujimoto DW issues a press release on monday.
            flyer to get money he has to show his hand
       colorodo and DW only talks when he needs money.
           Y_Po I don't see your name in book of skeptics
      pfujimoto So let's talk hypothetical situations here.
Daniel R Plante larry, the point with Paul is it's not just conjecture. There is obvious and deep
                DD work
     pfujimoto DW needs money pretty damn soon
           Y_Po and since when you are a skeptic?
      pfujimoto and it makes it easier for everyone else to get money.
           Y_Po larry, you don't believe that
      pfujimoto DW is looking for money. If he gets money, he'll tell the world, because that
                means someone else is verifying his story
       colorodo any idea what kinds of financing deal he is working on?
           larry Po, I'm a skeptic, but fuji's conjecture is as good or better than others we
                 have seen.
           Y_Po Where is matt?
      pfujimoto So... that brings us to now
      pfujimoto essentially.
           Y_Po You are so deluded
       colorodo and scotia wets themselves cause they have shorts?
      pfujimoto this gets into what i said last night... the info leaks out eventually, and people
                start buying
      EEwaiting Pf what if Eestor got funds from LM?
           Y_Po LOL
      pfujimoto so he starts to go around, shopping for a good deal for new financing

Daniel R Plante hard for me to follow, but ok, sure Paul
       colorodo waz give po a timeout
      pfujimoto Just ignore him. it's colour commentary
Daniel R Plante murderator?
           Y_Po everyone you were so fond off is gone
          Y_Po pfujimoto, do you realize that people you peed your pants over at AGM are all
                gone?
     pfujimoto the only way anyone, and I mean anyone, is going to be willing to give him
                money for shares is if he shows them 'the money'
Daniel R Plante Paul yes. Colo I'm not sure but that should show up on EDGAR?
           Y_Po colorodo, you mean good bullshit?
       colorodo pfujimoto, new stock issue?
      pfujimoto you can probably guess that he's going to be looking for more money pretty
                soon.
       Lensman Go troll elsewhere, 'Po.
      pfujimoto so you put all this together and be surprised that he's managed to make it
                this far with the funds he has.
       colorodo Po shhh this is good stuff
           Y_Po You really did northamericanized
           Y_Po pfujimoto, not very polite for an asian
           Y_Po not surprising
      pfujimoto you already know po. go away and find it
           Y_Po pfujimoto, considering it's a family business
      pfujimoto he hasn't laid anyone off yet (that's a key indicator of running out of working
                tech to show people)
           Y_Po pfujimoto, come on, I can see you want to be on the list
      pfujimoto he's hired more people, we can see that from the patents alone, let alone our
                famous drive-bys from our friends donw south (thanks guys)

      pfujimoto you think about the equipment he's purchased, the raw materials, the
                additional office space (which requires renovations and upgrades) which also
                means more room for more equipemnet or people or both. you don't expand
                your offices if you don't need to
      pfujimoto you look at the amount of time that has passed, and his likely expenditures

    pfujimoto DW needs money at this point. You go back to may 2009, figure out how
               much money he likely had at that point, which probably isn't much, because
               he only talks when he needs money.
  whiskeythief not going to let VCs ruin his company
      pfujimoto okay, i digress
      pfujimoto or at least, not sharing intimate details and progress reports
     pfujimoto KP decided not to invest further, because it didn't pose a threat to their
                dilution, and they didn't want to risk any more money in a company that
                wasn't talking to them anymore
     pfujimoto look into that. I don't know how solid this is, but it totally fits. it fits with what
                I'd do if I were KP, it fits with what DW has said in the past, and it fits with
                ZENN's latest equity investment
     pfujimoto also, look at the way that KP has structured all the rest of their angel
                investment preferred share structures.
Daniel R Plante k
   Shere Khaan ok sorry
  Shere Khaan will try but Tyler Hamilton's bit on KP unloading some to Mike Long makes
                that even more interesting
Daniel R Plante Paul, aren't there cross-border legislation agreements about what you;re
                suggesting? I'm betting you've looked it up....
     pfujimoto stop talking for a sec, i'm going to put this in context of our current situation

      pfujimoto look it up. there's got to be a document somewhere that we can get that from

           wasm no shit
      pfujimoto This is incredibly important when it comes to timing
Daniel R Plante wait a minute........ no fucking way :)
           Y_Po Shere Khaan, how is texas?
           wasm that blows a lot of crapola out of the water. LOL
   Shere Khaan can I ask who made that apparent?
      pfujimoto KP
      pfujimoto look it up, it's likely a SEDAR document
Daniel R Plante Paul, KP specifically, or any preffered holder?
      pfujimoto if not as an anti-dilution measure, than at least a matching issue option

      pfujimoto early, from the preferred shares
      pfujimoto essentially, this is a measure that is in place to prevent EESTor from diluting
                KP's shares
          wasm since when, what date?
      pfujimoto apparently KP has first right of refusal for any further share issuance from
                EEStor
      pfujimoto So. someone needs to look this up.
      pfujimoto okay, gotta speed up things now... will fill in details later
Daniel R Plante :)
      pfujimoto :-0 thanks
  Shere Khaan np I used "conjecture" for easy searching and your usual disclaimer :)

      Boba Fett 5 weeks or 5 months, I see it from mid October, you see if going back
                further, interesting.....
      pfujimoto yeah. the technicals are very bullish
           flyer paul who?
      Lensman LOL colo
      pfujimoto SK, thanks for the summary from last night's stuff. i appreciate it
       colorodo even grizz noticed it. :)
Daniel R Plante ok
      pfujimoto i mean steady.
Daniel R Plante that's the distinction?
  Shere Khaan damn pfuji, I've got some catching up to do
Daniel R Plante Paul, you mean not just steady, but slow?
      pfujimoto big smoke
      Boba Fett Continue PFuji.
      pfujimoto this is big smoke.
      pfujimoto there have now been 5 months of slow but steady accumulation. this hasn't
                happened since spring 2008
       colorodo awsome, thanks pfujimto!
      Lensman I guess I'm missing something. Why would an exchange try to stop anyone
              from shorting a penny stock, if they were foolish enough to do so?

      pfujimoto okay. page 4
Daniel R Plante ok
      pfujimoto terminology
      pfujimoto no drp, just a layman's imposed termminolgy
          wasm :)
      pfujimoto you're right, it's less confusing to call you waz
Daniel R Plante Paul, there's a regulation distinction between "pause" and "halt"?
      pfujimoto don't know waz
      pfujimoto You can ask ZENN or the OSC about that one
          wasm who called who when?
           larry almost unbelievable that any exchange would allow shorting a dollar stock

      pfujimoto dunno. some people got their wrists slapped, i believe
      pfujimoto I think the OSC got involved only after the EESTor PR the next day

          wasm and what was the action taken?
      pfujimoto and it was also the IIROC that asked the question
Daniel R Plante wasm, I think '09 was by request of ZMC, but maybe through channels @
                TSX, I'm not sure
         wasm @pfujimoto, I have not looked it up. I am repeating. Interesting.
      pfujimoto the OSC asked the question about "explain yourselves" but did it without a
                halt on april 21
       colorodo It's ok pfujimoto, I can read.
      pfujimoto look it up
      pfujimoto halt was called at requestt of company pending news
Daniel R Plante sorry, "buy"
      pfujimoto halt in 09 was NOT OSC
Daniel R Plante Paul, did Scotia divest to the tune of 38k shares that day?
      pfujimoto and that they would let things drift for a few minutes at the open.
          wasm Halt in 09 was OSC, halt on Tuesday was IIROC. Who calls the shots at the
                IIROC why did they listen?
      pfujimoto interesting that the IIROC would only pause though
      pfujimoto i think so too.
       colorodo Looks like the behavior of an investor who just grasped what AHBL would do
                to their short position.
           Y_Po imho, anyone who shorts a one dollar stock deserves to have their head
                  handed to them
                I guess you bought at ~$1 then? :)
      pfujimoto wednesday's price stayed up because scotia wanted to cover desperately, and
                set the stage for the whole trading day
       colorodo scotia?
      pfujimoto i'll give you one guess
      pfujimoto look at the open on wednesday. look who started things off with a bang.

           Y_Po larry talk to Weir recently?
       colorodo This is very funny, the shorts in a panic drove the price up, and hurt
                themselves worse.
      pfujimoto ah, here's the kicker.
      pfujimoto it was a very unusual halt, more like a freeze on executions
          wasm who calls the shots at the IIROC?
          larry imho, anyone who shorts a one dollar stock deserves to have their head
                handed to them
      Boba Fett But they were able to do so the last 2 days probably.
     pfujimoto i suspect if you have better data access, you'll discover that scotia was short
                that 38k
Daniel R Plante yes :)
      pfujimoto scotia was trying to cover their short squeeze.
      pfujimoto yeah.
     pfujimoto i'm sure that's true drp.if something crazy happnes, they might want to go
                back and look at what exactly happened there.
Daniel R Plante yes, ~50k?
      Boba Fett of about 38K?
           Y_Po Daniel R Plante still utterly confident in Kofman?
      pfujimoto here's where it gets interesting... if you check the short update from nov 1st
                to 15th, you'll notice that there's a bump in the shorts

Daniel R Plante IIRC that's not just regs, it's statute.....
Daniel R Plante yes
      pfujimoto of the exchange? yeah, likely
             p37 any chance it was supposed to be a sell instead of buy at 1.27?
           Y_Po there are no books
        HEEman Can I ask though, when you said some of those things were "FACTS" could
               you explain that a little more?
          Y_Po Canada is wild west of stock market
Daniel R Plante Paul, the Comissioner and the Director have full access IIRC?
      pfujimoto but that 38k scotia bid was desperate to get filled, and was likely a market
                order for 38k
      pfujimoto unless someone has access to the full order books from that morning, we'll
                never be able to know more
       HEEman pfugi I read your idea's earlier. Very interesting.
     pfujimoto this is a bit of a reach on my part, but maybe they wanted to see who was
               going to be the most desperate at the open... try to smoke out the leaker, in
               a way
   eentangible perhaps it is fake, i dunno
       colorodo ty pfujimoto! any more pages?
      pfujimoto yeah, which is what I think tipped off the regulators
           flyer Wondering what is to come!
           Y_Po plot is fake
            p37 it closed at .90 on Monday, though, right?
      pfujimoto sigh
           Y_Po Does not matter, fuses can't blow in 1 usec
   eentangible yeah lol
           Y_Po oh that
Daniel R Plante pk = ok
     pfujimoto this crazy scotia bid is what drove up the price like mad, and what set the
               stage for MF to be a rocket during the rest of the day
   eentangible the fuse times
Daniel R Plante Paul, sorry ..... please dudes, pk? C'mon.
   eentangible ahh
           Y_Po no, i don't think i remember
           Y_Po sparse plots?
   eentangible and you suck at interpreting sparse plots, remember?
     pfujimoto they must have paused trades, not halted for the first few minutes to see
               what the hell was going on.
   eentangible lol
      pfujimoto regulators
           Y_Po you scuk at math
       colorodo did the computer trip the halt or the regulators?
     pfujimoto bids/asks are lining up like the normal premarket activity, but the actual
                trades are on pause
Daniel R Plante yes, 7 minutes :)
   eentangible makes sense
   eentangible kk
      pfujimoto but actually, since this was a strange halt, tthis is acutlaly after market open

           Y_Po (1500*0.75-750*1.1)/750. = 0.4
Daniel R Plante ok thanks. Sorry go ahead
      pfujimoto yeah
Daniel R Plante Paul, wait..... is Tues the HALT day? You talking about the pre-opening
                jockeying?
eexpectresults Ypo/eent go play footsie somewhere else, you whankers
   eentangible what is xxx?
     pfujimoto now normally, when the exchange halts an issue, all the bids and asks go to 0
               and orders are automatically cancelled
   eentangible [1500*0.75+750*(-1.1)]/xxx
           Y_Po eentangible, dude, you call yourself a mathematician?
   eentangible how is that calculated?
      pfujimoto things start to heat up, and suddenly there is a scotia bid for 38k at 1.27

           Y_Po Muhahahahahaha!
           Y_Po your average price is 0.4 now!
      pfujimoto the bids start rolling in, before market opens
           Y_Po
                  Taylor: 2000 @ $0.76
                  Lovejoy's sister: 5000 @ ~$1.5
                  MrLouMrLou aka The Yachtsman: 11,000 @ ~$1.6
                  eentangible: 1500 @ ~$0.75 ➞ 750 @ ~$0.4
                  Yukon: 1504 @ ~$3
                  Liberty: 20,000 @ ~$2
                  CurEEous: 25,000 @ ~$1.80
                  eeshock: 20k@$4
                  whiskeythief: 1k@$0.57
      pfujimoto first thing tuesday morning
      pfujimoto (no pun intended)
      pfujimoto This is a short one.
      pfujimoto more importantly, tuesday...
      pfujimoto So... about the crazy monday
      pfujimoto cool.
         Liberty no, go
Daniel R Plante swEEt :)
      pfujimoto questions before i move forward?
Daniel R Plante sure! Go
      pfujimoto that's the end of page 2 of 6
         Liberty k
      pfujimoto way more
         Liberty pf, more?
Daniel R Plante Paul yeah LOL
      pfujimoto yup
Daniel R Plante Large sophisticated clients especially, I mean
           Y_Po OK
      pfujimoto exactly. just like paradigm will forever be tainted to us
   eentangible                                                                                 1.1
           Y_Po you sold half of 1500 at what? 1.2?
Daniel R Plante yes, and word of mouth about OSC complaints that would spoil their client
                base. Ok.
     pfujimoto besides, our whole financial system is based on faith, so it's gotta manifest
                somewhere
          Y_Po so effectively your price is lower
           Y_Po yeah but you sold with a profit
     pfujimoto yeah, there is a certain amount of trust involved, but I'm sure there are
                contracts and regulations that enforce it.
Daniel R Plante Illegal sure..... :)
   eentangible same as before Po... I haven't bought any more
           Y_Po 0.4?
   eentangible i may be the only one in here that has made money on zenn stock atm

           Y_Po eentangible, what is your effective average price?
      pfujimoto you are very astute Y_Po, I give you a gold star
Daniel R Plante Paul, ok got it. But you're implying that the brokerage with the DMA isn't
                surrepititously drilling doen in their own database for this kind of "ultimate
                beneficial holder" info?
          Y_Po that would be all shares
        farmEEr pf all you need is 19million
      pfujimoto DRP, that make slightly more sense?
           Y_Po pfujimoto, you can't have 37
   eentangible I still hold 750 shares atm
      pfujimoto Y_Po, put me down for 37 million
           Y_Po As I said you are rich!
           Y_Po eentangible, so, what is you new position?
     pfujimoto they have an advantage, though slight, over everyone else, including citi, as a
               result
     pfujimoto back to the first example, my order shows up on the L2 as MS buying 1
               million shares, and MS knows EXACTLY who bought them
   eentangible made a few hundred
   eentangible sold half
   eentangible i decided to make a lil bit of money while the stock is temporarily up

     pfujimoto my order shows up on the L2 as jones buying 1 million shares, but nobody
               knows who exactly is buing
   eentangible nope
           Y_Po bought more, you rich bastard?
   eentangible hey Po... my entry in your list is out of date
      pfujimoto I enter my order through the blind DMA from Jones.
      pfujimoto I, as citi, want to buy 1 million shares.
      pfujimoto example two.
      pfujimoto they tell their traders to look at the stock, and say "well, if citi is buying, they
                must know something. let's buy a bunch too"
      pfujimoto they execute the order. then, someone there goes "wtf? citibank just bought a
                million shares. something must be up
           Y_Po pfujimoto, do you have money for 1 million shares of ZNN?
      pfujimoto I place an order with morgan stanley. their order desk says 'sure thing'

           Y_Po pfujimoto, so, do you want to be on the list or not?
      pfujimoto I, as citibank, want to buy 1 million shares of ZNN
           Y_Po Madoff is sure better than us
      pfujimoto here's an example...
      pfujimoto okay, i'll expound on this point
      pfujimoto but they are still guessing
      pfujimoto the people who do it for a living are considerably better at it than you or I

      pfujimoto one of the major aspects to the market is that you can't tell exactly who is
                buying. Institutions, as well as us, are left to guess at all this.

Daniel R Plante well yes, but..... ok, nvm, go ahead, I'll wait
      pfujimoto and know exactly who is buying
      Boba Fett :)
      pfujimoto no, that TD as an institution would know what you're doing, and would get a
                heads up if you start buying a bunch
      Boba Fett it is "personal"
Daniel R Plante "personally"
Daniel R Plante .... and you suspect, what? That lower level brokers are personallt trading in
                that info to external parties, or....?
     pfujimoto if you, as an institution, place an order with TD, they will see your order.

      Boba Fett I have been watching and it seems to me Jitney and Paradigm seem to be
                working in tandem.
      pfujimoto no, i mean that TD and BMO themselves can see who is trading through them

Daniel R Plante Sorry Paul..... you mean that other houses can see the individual beneficial
                owner of the bought shares, even though we only see the trades as "TD" or
                "BMO"?
              G Interesting and Jitney is often working the price at the end of the day...

      pfujimoto you, as an institution, prime broker, or fund, can purchase stock on the
                canadian market, Without telling anyone you're doing it.
      pfujimoto blind DMA is available through Jitney and Jones
      pfujimoto direct market access
     pfujimoto they can see your trades and will learn about your moves in the canadian
                markets
Daniel R Plante ?
      pfujimoto they may offer DMA, but not fully blind DMA.
           larry fuji, how much of the 37M zmc shares do you think are actually available on
                 the market?
     pfujimoto so... you don't want to go through the major trading houses, like MS or TD or
                 BMO or CIBC or whoever
Daniel R Plante G, no guff, eh? I love real DD :)
      pfujimoto thx g, glad you could make it out!
      pfujimoto you also don't want your competition in canada to know what you're up to,
                because knowledge is power
              G Nice work fuji
      pfujimoto you're a big institution in the US. you want to take a large equity position in
                ZNN.v
      pfujimoto ZNN MF is almost totally unregulated, ,and is much lower volume, and
                besides, is really just a proxy for the real thing, so they don't wanna bother
                much with it
      pfujimoto essentially, you've got big instiutions in the US, and prime brokers in the US,
                who want to invest directly in ZNN
      pfujimoto i'm not quite so clear if jones does it too, but jitney has a direct investing
                service for us ordinary folk, so it's a bit difficult to weed the average people
                trades out from the institutional trades, but
      Boba Fett Especially Jitney.
      Boba Fett Both have been extremely active.
      pfujimoto These two are clearing houses for the US institutions
            p37 Ok, maybe someone at lower layer. Point taken.
      pfujimoto Jones and jitney
      pfujimoto movnign on
      pfujimoto you do the research and find a prospectus that holds zenn, and if that holding
                has changed lately. get back to us wiht that
      pfujimoto think about who each broker is, and what their primary business is.
            p37 They have some higher risk funds they manage, don't they? Was thinking this
                might be part of one of those funds.
      pfujimoto that's a key point in all this
      pfujimoto stop reading too much into it, and remember the three or four layers of
                 money behind the names on the screen
         Liberty moving on......
      pfujimoto they are likely just the broker, not the money
     pfujimoto you aren't listening p37. i said it's most likely that MS has absoultely no idea
                what ZNN is
Daniel R Plante right, TV's report. Sorry, go ahead
            p37 I did hear top MS exex on business news state they were trying to reduce
                risky positions about three weeks ago, so a fund mgr for MS dumping would
                make sense
Daniel R Plante yes, but "maximizing" might reduce to $0.80 average over time with that
                degree of divesture if there was no available "brokered deal"?

      pfujimoto okay moving on
      pfujimoto and TV posted that he investigated, and was waved off about that possibility

      pfujimoto like i said DRP, if it were an individual, they'd want to maximize their return.

            p37 K, thx. Didn't realize the dumped Wed
      pfujimoto they picked up on monday and dumped on wednesday, iirc
      pfujimoto haywood is likely just a retail investor/day trader
Daniel R Plante MS's client = Ian's ex?
            p37 Pf, Haywood?
      pfujimoto okay anyone else, before i continue?
Daniel R Plante sometimes having a day job sux :)
Daniel R Plante I figured, yes. My DD hasn;t got there yet tho
      pfujimoto $25 billion market cap
           larry think in terms of about a dollar a share. the 150k shorts and the 700k
                 dumped by MS are chump change for a big player
      pfujimoto ms is big
Daniel R Plante Paul re day trader, ok
Daniel R Plante 150k shorts on TSX as of the 15th
Daniel R Plante Paul, how big is MS? Would the money involved in this show up on the radar
                of the top execs or the BoD?
     pfujimoto time will tell on that one, i agree.
      pfujimoto true drp, but if you were a day trader, what would you do?
eexpectresults Maybe Cannacord was covering shorts not just gains
     teslafan49 TY
      pfujimoto none TF
Daniel R Plante volume difference? Using what date range as a comparison? You mean
                cumulative to dat? Cannacord's been at it for a shorter time though.....

      pfujimoto we'll see if the trend continues, but it is possible they are the same client
                trying to dump shares
     teslafan49 pf, do you give any credence to the one statement that MS is just trying to
                get their hands on cash, because their possibly the next to go down?

      pfujimoto MS was a huge dump, canaccord is like 40k or something
            p37 In = on
      pfujimoto I think the other thing is the volume difference dan
Daniel R Plante ok, thanks
            p37 Any thought in the other player of late: Haywood, iirc?
      pfujimoto yep. I asked about that, but I don't think the timing quite works out.

Daniel R Plante Do you find it curious that MS (with a recent record of all buys and zero sells)
                stopped at nearly the same time that Cannacord picked up the slack (again,
                with a recent record of all buys and zero sells)?

      pfujimoto anyone else have questions at this point?
      pfujimoto yes drp?
      pfujimoto not a bad days work, wt
      pfujimoto pro traders basically operate as individual traders, but are employed by a
                company. they trade stocks with the companies money. any profit/loss they
                make is split between them and the company

Daniel R Plante Paul, one thing...
  whiskeythief 30% will get him a christmas bonus
      pfujimoto they might have bought lower and saw a good chance to take some quick
                profits.
      pfujimoto so most likely it was a pro-trader employee of canaccord, using canaccord's
                money to hold zenn, then deciding to get out
      pfujimoto to it's clients.
      pfujimoto Canaccord does NOT offer DMA
      pfujimoto Okay... Canaccord today
      pfujimoto Prime broker, someone remind me to explain that later.
      pfujimoto they used icebergs, but weren't particuarly careful about it.
      pfujimoto what the most likely scenario is, is that a prime broker or an institutional
                holder decided they didn't want this on their books, stagnant at $0.60, at year
                end. and then decided the unceremoniously dumped their shares

      pfujimoto we would never have known.
      pfujimoto An individual investor with that many shares most likely would have given
                their broker a call and said "get me a good price, i'm getting out"

      pfujimoto MS would have had no institutional knowledge of the trades whatsoever,
                unless they stared at their books
      pfujimoto the MS trades were nowhere nearly as carefully crafted, which likely means
                that they were someone with Direct Market Access, via MS's seat on the
                exchange
      pfujimoto so a smart and careful broker would have posted the shares for sale using
                icebergs and algorithmic trading software, and more than likely posted as
                anonymous
      pfujimoto DMA goes straight to the exchange
      pfujimoto if that doesn't find a buyer, your next best route is let your broker use the
                tools available to them to disguise your trades
            p37 But DMA always goes through exchange, right?
     teslafan49 larry, wallowing in the annual gluttony. :0
Daniel R Plante yes
      pfujimoto best price for all
      pfujimoto this is their preferred route
     teslafan49   Link. http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycwasteless/html/laws/...
      pfujimoto you may or may not use the market for the cross trade, but your broker will
                 get a commission for the trade from yoou, and quite possibly from the buyer
                 as well
           larry did all you yanks have a great T-day; and all the rest of you work really hard
                 so we didn't have to?
     pfujimoto if you want to get the best price, you'll first go to your broker, who will call
                around looking for a buyer of that entire block
    teslafan49 Check this new NYS law that goes into effect on Dec. 5th. No more disposal of
                rechargeable batteries.
     pfujimoto so if you are an individual who wants to sell a large block of stock, lets say
                700k. you have many options
Daniel R Plante ok
      pfujimoto i don't know exactly
Daniel R Plante sorry, go ahead
      pfujimoto so here's where our situation comes into play
Daniel R Plante How are these brokers differentiated? "Level I" vs "Level II", etc?
  whiskeythief clear enough
      pfujimoto you get the idea. there are many layers to the market
      pfujimoto that second layer of brokers can use their own money, or have clients of their
                own.
      pfujimoto or other brokers who don't have their own DMA (because there are way more
                than 125 investment brokers in canada, they can't all have their own seat)

      pfujimoto or funds or institutions who order through a human broker
           Y_Po paradigm pumping stock until $3.5 they bought it?
      pfujimoto or they have clients, who could be either individuals who are given DMA
                services, or funds who are given DMA, or individuals who order through a
                human broker
      pfujimoto those brokers can either be completely independant, and just trade with their
                own money, for thier own gain
      pfujimoto the trading companies are brokers
      pfujimoto that's what the numbers are
      pfujimoto there are only 125 seats, IIRC, and MS has one of them
      pfujimoto that is directly accessed by trading companies that have "Seats" at the
                exchange.
      pfujimoto which is basically the order books and record books on a computer

      pfujimoto so we have the "exchange"
Daniel R Plante :)
Daniel R Plante oh
            jimp pfuji- do you find this info you just relayed as positive? Or is Paradigm just
                 pumping up the stock to show Zenn/eestor what it can do for them?

    teslafan49 pf, is that DMA the same as etrade, or can you do your trades faster with
                those firms?
Daniel R Plante you rang the bell? Sweet
     pfujimoto (okay, I went with a group, adn i didn't actually get to ring it personally, but i
                was there)
Daniel R Plante sure
     pfujimoto Lemme get side tracked here for a minute and explain some market things I
                learned when i went to ring the bell
Daniel R Plante us little guys gotta work smarter, not harder I guess :)
Daniel R Plante interesting
      pfujimoto i'm sure it could
     pfujimoto MS as an institution almost certainly did not have anything to do with the MS
                trades
Daniel R Plante pf, do you know if this upscale DMA feature at these brokerages allows a
                client to directly set up trading mechanisms such as Ice Bergs, etc?

      Excessive Do we know the person you talked to pfujimoto?
           Y_Po pfujimoto, how about that report of yours
      pfujimoto you don't go through a human broker
         Lowell SHOOT THE CHIHUAHUA!
            p37 Pfuji, me thinks you are Bob Woodward and you've been talking to
                Deepthroat. Thanks for sharing.
     teslafan49 pf, we appreciate the facts you've told us as well as some well informed and
                thought out conjecture.
      pfujimoto essentially, you get a website, and put in your bid or ask, and hit go

Daniel R Plante pf, ah thanks
      pfujimoto and yep
      pfujimoto yep
           Y_Po pfujimoto, still utterly confident in EESU science?
      pfujimoto direct market access allows a brokerage's clients the ability to place their own
                trades directly in the market
      Excessive Is this what your phone call was about?
         Liberty disclaimer again
Daniel R Plante pf, yep understood
           Y_Po No EESU yet?
     pfujimoto thanks drp, i'm just passing along some thoughts.... again, everyone keep in
                mind that you should do your own research and don't believe a word this
                stranger on the internet is telling you
Daniel R Plante what's the essential distinction of DMA?
         Lowell If Paradigm claims to be acting ona client's behalf, they will have to produce
                enough clients to cover what they bought just to cover their asses.

  whiskeythief interesting pfuji
         Liberty broker a limited cadre deal
Daniel R Plante pf, really good DD and analysis over the last couple of days. Hats off dude

      pfujimoto just DMA
      pfujimoto that's basically what companies like questrade and scottrade do
         Liberty how much does DW need?
      pfujimoto MS offers Direct Market Access to it's clients.
            p37 Useful intel, pfuji. Thanks for passing along.
     teslafan49 TY DRP.
  Shere Khaan to sumit up, some slippery bastards got caught out, and now at it again

      pfujimoto Okay... MS
Daniel R Plante pf, I was think that as well. Better have a good story lined up :)
      pfujimoto that's the paradigm story
       bitslider so thats it?
     pfujimoto IF paradigm is buying for itself, and there is news in the next while, they
                could face some very serious questions
Daniel R Plante tf, 10 days I'm pretty sure
      pfujimoto Paradigm claims to be buying for a client. are they really? who knows

      pfujimoto There is nothing to say anything.
     teslafan49 So what's to say that Pardigm isn't buying for insiders, if there is an
                announcement coming within 2 weeks to 30 days? What would be the
                consequences for the insiders?
      pfujimoto LinkedIN tells me that Peter still lists himself as a partner, but the paradigm
                website has absolutely no mention of his name
  Shere Khaan your source is in Paradigm or closely affiliated with them?
      pfujimoto Peter Greenwood (a former Paradigm partner) has since left Paradigm, as
                have two other important figures there.
      pfujimoto even after they cleaned house a bit after leakgate 2009
Daniel R Plante pf, agreed
      pfujimoto now, there is very little chance that DW will want to have anything at all to do
                with paradigm, or be very happy about ZENN using their services either

      pfujimoto he ONLY lets information out so he can get money.
Daniel R Plante eex, 10 calendar days, I think...
    pfujimoto DW was PISSED about that recording being leaked. Up until that point, he'd
               kept things under his hat pretty well (or so he felt).
  whiskeythief 750k with a .614 average makes paradigm look skillful
      pfujimoto it's pretty bold of them to be doing this, especially after it was determined
                that their company leaked the recording of DW in fall 2009.

Daniel R Plante well, it's just that I can see several situations where the brokerage firm, if
                large enough (enough clients/invested dollars) can enrich itself using their
                client's trading instructions, and the client wouldn't be the wiser. Dunno, I
                haven't gone into the regs wrt brokerages enough to know if there are
                protections in place against that. Collusion between several brokerages and
                trading in client behaviour/instructions would also be a (nefarious) possibility.

  whiskeythief redemption
      pfujimoto hold on the commentary for a sec.
         Lowell Pump and dump without saying a word.
eexpectresults Tesla, I think its 2 weeks but not more than 30 days, anyone know for sure?

      pfujimoto the important point is that Paradigm is dealing in the stock, and doing so very
                publically. They are making a statement, positioning themselves for what they
                hope will mean that zenn or EEStor will come to them to do their next round
                of private placement share offerings

       bitslider ...
         Lowell When the upward pressure becomes public, the price pops and Paradigm
                cashes in
     teslafan49 How long before insider trading has to be reported, after the actual trade?

             p37 Doing good pfuji. Keeping anticipation level just right :)
    pfujimoto yeah wt, tha'ts it. the effect is not important here, though it is pleasant for us
               shareholders to see
       Lowell whether true or not the effect is the same. Paradigm slowly pushes the price
               up
  whiskeythief paradigm is on thin ice
         Liberty double hmmmmmm
      pfujimoto more to the story, hold your horses
       bitslider so?
Daniel R Plante hmmmm
      pfujimoto sure, why not
Daniel R Plante pf, are firms like Paradigm and Cannacord allowed to trade stocks on their
                own behalf as well as their clients, at the same time?
     pfujimoto the public perception of paradigm acquiring for itself would be very bad...
                especially since they just *suddenly* decided to start building a half-million
                share position
  whiskeythief interesting
  Shere Khaan right
      pfujimoto Paradigm claims to be acting on behalf of a client, not accumulating for itself

  whiskeythief good Q SK
  Shere Khaan so they are being intentionally public about it
         Lowell Do you know why paradigm has been buying?
      pfujimoto keep in mind that if investors want to hide themselves, it's easy to do, and
                easy to accumulate slowly
     teslafan49 We deserve to be there for the long term growth.
            p37 Ok, enough anticipation. What about Paradign
       bitslider who has?
       bitslider zomg asplodez?
      pfujimoto they have been accumulating for the last month or so, and have been doing
                so very publically
     teslafan49 I could live with the right merger, but not a complete acquisition. That is
                selling us down the line, when we have hung in there through thick and thin.

  whiskeythief $100 my head asplodes
Daniel R Plante Exc, that's my plan too. It requires that Zenn grows organically though, but
                my research has driven me to conclude that this path for Zenn is pretty much
                inevitable if EEStor comes through with even just a significant fraction of its
                claims, and if the contents of the Technology Agreement and Shareholder
                Agreement with EEStor are more or less constituted as implied by various
                parties over the years.

  Shere Khaan I agree with all that pf
      pfujimoto So... Paradigm
      pfujimoto okay okay
      pfujimoto proof of life, yield, and cost is +$100
            p37 No, don't spill. Keep teasing us. I like the an-ti-ci-pa-tion
      pfujimoto proof of life plus yield is +$50
      pfujimoto I think proof of life will be a +$10 event.
  whiskeythief spill pfuji
     teslafan49 SK, I'm not sure. I think they have been stockpiling somewhere.
  whiskeythief I will secure my retirement if I get the opportunity, that is more important
               than wealth. Everything over about $25 is going to make other people happy
               not me.
  Shere Khaan please pfuji
         Liberty not when the money is on the table, ask wt
         Lowell We are listening
            jimp yes, pls
      Excessive It hasn't been a roller coaster yet. More like a roller slide.
       bitslider info pls
  Shere Khaan TF I'd agree with you if AHBL meant eesu's rolloing of massive production
              lines, but I think it'll take a few years to that point
    pfujimoto i've got some more info from a phone call tonight, if you'd like to hear

       bitslider hi any news to cause such musings of untold znn riches?
     teslafan49 Liberty, I think it's lower than you think. Many have said they are in for the
                long haul.
      pfujimoto everyone has their own magic number.
            p37 Agree, sk. This has been a kiddee roller coaster so far.
  Shere Khaan I'm not saying all, but there will be a lot of covering initial investment
    teslafan49 SK, wait and see, just like the ESSU is going to be world changing, the speed
               of sp rise will be market changing. Only thing that could prevent it is a halt.

        Liberty pfuj, almost everyone would sell before $50
     Excessive Splits will make it easier to sell a portion.
  Shere Khaan so will TV and a ubnch of others
     pfujimoto suit yourself.
  Shere Khaan I will be selling before 100
  Shere Khaan too much profit taking well before then
     pfujimoto who's gonna be selling? almost nobody, and those who are will be selling tiny
               quantities
     pfujimoto yeah TF
  Shere Khaan no way TF
     pfujimoto Nobody should ever sell for less than $100 unless EEStor tanks
    teslafan49 I'd bet $50-100 by the end of the first day.
  Shere Khaan depends on how long until DW mass produces
        Liberty few here will not be shitting themselves
 whiskeythief I'm hoping it goes up fast
    teslafan49 Between ZNN and NYS's tortoise crawl on NG fracking, I have developed
               untold patience I never had before. And I have to say, it sucks. lol.

     pfujimoto when AHBL, we'll hit $10 in a matter of minutes
  Shere Khaan that's my plan exc
        Liberty pfuj, i hope you get to see it
    Excessive I like the Chief's plan. Sell just enough to cover your cost. Sell a percentage
              as it goes up.
  Shere Khaan and until DW actually starts supplying in quantity the sp will be just as volatile

  Shere Khaan people wondering if they should sell or hold out for 50, blah blah blah

   pfujimoto if this gets to $10, we won't be screaming for advice, we'll be grinning and
              sipping our drinks
 whiskeythief I can imagine $25, how about the pullback from there, that's what scares me.
              :)
   pfujimoto sorry, was sending an email.
  Shere Khaan imagine 25
        Liberty everybody will be screaming for advise if this ever gets to $10
         p37 Will definitely be harder. I have strategy planned. Question is, can I stick with
              it?
 whiskeythief and the reason that I don't need any more
 whiskeythief tf scenario similar to that one is the reason that I bought so many shares. :)

    teslafan49 :). It would give us a few more years of the blog and speculation. :)

     Excessive Don't offer me $50 unless you want it.
 whiskeythief tf, it will be harder to decide when I am actually facing the issues you
              describe
         p37 Yes, lots to be Thankful for, Exc
   teslafan49 By the way, Muftee's earlier link, for anyone who doesn't know, rawcolt is
               grizz.
eexpectresults Pf Another Q please, what's your take on Paradigms accumulation.
     Excessive I think we all are about 10 slower tonight. Another way of saying blessed.
    teslafan49 WT, question. Why would you want a sell out at $50? You have said that you
               could retire on $9 sp. So you should hope for no sellout, sell 50% of your
               stock at $20, which won't take long, and then sit on the rest and watch it
               make you incredibly rich.
           p37 And 10 heavier.. Maybe I should change it to 47
           p37 That's ok, Exc. I'm feeling about 10 slower today.
     pfujimoto it might be a cash plus stock deal
     pfujimoto I dunno. it makes sense from a business perspective, but the buyout price will
               be awfully steep. JK et al aren't stupid, and everyone involved wants to get
               the best possible price for the stock

     Excessive Did TB ever get dressed?
     Excessive                                                                                  37
     Excessive lol p27
           p37 Just add this at the end: and I won't tell you what I'm wearing while I do it.

     pfujimoto I appreciate the effort!
     pfujimoto thanks for compiling that SK.
eexpectresults pf what's your take on CS's remarks about Zenn not growing organically,
               people here seem to assume Zenn a take-over candidate. Whatcha think

     pfujimoto but change can't to don't or won't
     pfujimoto ;-)
     Excessive LOL
     pfujimoto i saw that wt. it should be your new tag line
 whiskeythief chat I mean
 whiskeythief I had a funny one this morning. I can't blog 16 hours a day for money, I do it
              for my country.
   Excessive You bring a perspective few here have.
     pfujimoto my pleasure. I'm usually good for one or two decent posts a year. the rest is
               just pure drivel
     Excessive Really enjoyed your contribution last night. Thanks.
     pfujimoto sounds like some good quality time with the family too. nice work everyone

     Excessive Excellent pfujimoto.
     pfujimoto :-)
 whiskeythief oink
     pfujimoto everyone have a good turkey dinner?
     pfujimoto Hey all
     Excessive Being thankful I fear is part of it. We've also got to be responsible.
   Excessive The only way our freedoms can be taken away is for good men and women to
              do nothing.
 whiskeythief it's up to us
     Excessive That is not a given.
     Excessive We've got to make sure they have the same opportunities we did.
 whiskeythief My almost 18 yr old daughter had a long heart to heart with her 27 year old
              brother about working, school, I stayed out of it. It was awesome.

     Excessive Gosh, kids are smart these days.
     Excessive Spent some quality time with my 15 year old grand daughter.
     Excessive Very good day, thank you.
 whiskeythief thx Exc
      glassgirl you too Excessvie : )
 whiskeythief I did, and I hope you did too!
     Excessive I hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving.
 whiskeythief hell yes
      glassgirl and opportunity
 whiskeythief the land of plenty
      glassgirl yes indeed
 whiskeythief thx eex
eexpectresults Happy Thanksgiving from this Crazy Canuck, we indeed are very fortunate
               living on this continent
  whiskeythief then make
 whiskeythief fat cats buy up all they can the make a tender offer to take ZMC private is my
              favorite. I think it's much higher SP.
     scupper Would like 50 per share stock price with zenn acquisition premium on top of
              that
 Shere Khaan f course they actually need to get there first :)
  Shere Khaan When eestor are pumping out 10's of millions of eesu's a year, $50 will be
                chump change
      glassgirl et Happy Thanksgiving
 whiskeythief gn
   eelect_tron gtg, gn & GB.
   eelect_tron $50k
   eelect_tron $59k for 1,000 shares good also, imo.
   eelect_tron :)
   eelect_tron Always!
      HEEman 1000 would be better. Agree with that.
  eelect_tron Just read CS comments last night. Hope reveal is soon. And I agree, $50 is a
              good future price for ZMC post reveal.
 whiskeythief I think so, I didn't see the bottle, had frosted mug
      glassgirl was the honey brown Sam Adams?
 whiskeythief that might have filled me up more than the turkey
 whiskeythief I had some honey brown Ale, Spaten, and Guinness
 whiskeythief CS drinks beer, how cool is that?
          jimp SK - thanks
      glassgirl thanks sk
  Shere Khaan pfuji, if you want me to delete it just let me know
  Shere Khaan it's ugly but functional
       eestatic mmm, onions
 whiskeythief wifey puts onions in her green bean casserole, I won't touch it either

    armstrong TB- your wife is a saint
  Shere Khaan       pfujimoto's conjecture wrote:
                    think though. He knows that EEStor needs money. the only way for EEStor
                    to get more money is to show something to someone 7:44pm 23Nov11

                    at this point, the only thing worth seeing is proof of life. 7:45pm 23Nov11
                 JK has seen the books. he knows EEStor needs money. he knows eestor
                 needs money before 12 months is up. Every time EEStor has needed money
                 in the past, they have met a milestone, certified it, then brought it around
                 to show different funders. 7:47pm 23Nov11

                 THEN someone he showed it to said something to someone, and the stock
                 starts to swing up on higher volume. 7:48pm 23Nov11
                 THEN ZENN gets asked by the IIROC, "WTF?" To which they honestly say
                 "Dunno" 7:49pm 23Nov11
                 THEN DW publishes the announcement. to which zenn replys by PR "Lookee
                 here!" 7:49pm 23Nov11
                 followed by "we will be making paymment once we have verified this. it
                 might take a bit, since we just heard about this at the same time as the rest
                 of the world" 7:50pm 23Nov11
                 This is all FACT 7:50pm 23Nov11
                 not supposition. FACT 7:50pm 23Nov11
                 I'm giving you guys a full account of what I know. 7:50pm 23Nov11

                 Now... Suddenly the stock has been drifiting up on higher volume, then
                 spikes. IIROC goes "WTF?" ZENN Honestly goes "Dunno" 7:51pm 23Nov11

                 so, DW has now gotten something PR worthy. he's showing it around.
                 someone he's shown it to leaked a few weeks ago 7:53pm 23Nov11

                 that suddenly passed onto some other people on monday, as with any
                 secret, and those people were stupid enough or inexperienced enough not
                 to keep their purchases slow and quiet 7:54pm 23Nov11

                 suddenly the stock price jumps, with no reason. Paradigm is up 440K shares
                 in a matter of WEEKS with almost no movement 7:55pm 23Nov11

                 take it or leave it. I'm not an investment advisor, or anyone with any
                 qualification in this field. 7:56pm 23Nov11
                 paradigm had a good chance to sell at a 100% profit today. they didn't
                 7:57pm 23Nov11
                 This is not made up 7:57pm 23Nov11
                 I think this is ready to go, and I think it's going to be this week. 8:01pm
                 23Nov11
whiskeythief Y_No in Louisianna made oysters in his stuffing, but he used rice rather than
              cornbread
    glassgirl I'll make it for hubby but won't touch it
    glassgirl The oysters might be a Maryland thing
whiskeythief plus all the other stuffing things
 Texas Bear All I had to do was put on the coffee, peel the eggs and taste all morning,
             wow what a day.
whiskeythief stuffing here is corn bread stuffing with sausage and mushrooms
    glassgirl anyone here put oysters or sausage in their stuffing?
    glassgirl wt I usually start on Tuesdays too
     eestatic definite expanding @belt line
whiskeythief mesquite smoke was coming out of the vents
  armstrong lol
whiskeythief DW sintered his turkey with an aquatic process
     eestatic I kept the dishwasher empty
whiskeythief wifey cooked for two days and all I did was smoke the turkey. I was in awe,
              everything was fantastic.
    glassgirl yes started at 4:30 am making homemade cinamon rolls
  armstrong I hope he bought a new grill
  armstrong I wonder if DW is cooking turkey on the barbi or in the oven
whiskeythief did you make dinner gg? I assume you did
    glassgirl glad to finally be out of the kitchen
     eestatic Thank ye kindly!! TB
    glassgirl same to ya Tbear
  Texas Bear I feel some good times a comong!
  armstrong thanks TB
whiskeythief thx TB, you too my friend
 Texas Bear Happy Thanksgivings gg, WT, B Arm, eestatic and all the fine folks at
              theeestory.
whiskeythief fat cats have to chew through the cheap shares before the price creeps up
              some more
    glassgirl interesting... the stock price means nothing but the volume screams leaks or
              loosers
 Texas Bear Yup we have had a dry spell.
  armstrong yep
     eestatic lol, arm...prolly get sand burn...
  armstrong TB- I am afraid the rivers are drying up in Texas, so you do not have to worry

    glassgirl TB if you are many here will be following you
    picoman Happy turkey day. Thnks for the site B. Oh well, it's Pumpkin Chunkin time
             (on tv). Later
whiskeythief makes it a lot easier to get a big take it or leave it tender offer than trying to
             decide every day whether to sell or not
 Texas Bear Am I going to be sold down the river?
     eestatic The turkey was the only one that didn't have anything to be thankful for

  Texas Bear Is tomorrow the Ta-Day I have been waiting for?
    glassgirl thanks wt
whiskeythief thx gg
    glassgirl Happy Thanksgiving to all those ZNNMF owners
  Texas Bear Okay, I'm through eating tell me all about it.
whiskeythief high volume gg that's about it
    eestatic B, do you have something that you would like to elaborate about Kofman, for
             us connect-the-dot challenged ones?
  armstrong Hi gg- happy thanksgiing
    glassgirl anything exciting at theeestory today?
  eestorblog i'm not holding my breath
  eestorblog we'll have to disagree about kofman
  eestorblog ok, well pf is an optimist
  eestorblog :-)
whiskeythief I already thought we quit waiting for milestone delivery and were holding out
             for a 'significant progress' report.
  armstrong still ways off, but getting closer imho
     HEEman booo'
  eestorblog ok i read it
  armstrong I agree with wifey
         Fibb sk don't forget pfuji's disclaimer
whiskeythief wifey says this is not the big one
     HEEman WT what do you think will happen? Are we at the end?
      cabbee Sheesh !........... she is a good sport :)
 whiskeythief we were all wondering that
        cabbee LOL ........still gets me......
 whiskeythief what are you wearing? LOL
       cabbee tks for the site. B....... one of the most interesting,entertaining weeks in a
              long tymeee.......... big typo from a W to a H....... lol
    armstrong something positive is going on and that is a good sign
  Shere Khaan hang on, I'll try and put it together
 whiskeythief skip everything except pfujimoto
 whiskeythief at least 15 minutes long, dozens of posts
 whiskeythief it's about 15 minutes long, before CS showed up
  Shere Khaan it was a whole conversation, you probably need to scroll back
    eestorblog i can't find it. anyone have a link?
eexpectresults Another WAG, Paradigm is accumlating for a reason, for someone averaging
               down maybe a possibility but more likely buying now expecting a ZNN deal
               with a OEM, maybe Frank if EEstor release 3rd party verification
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     wasm
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  Lensman
     hbert
    Liberty
     wasm
    Liberty
     Eddie
     wasm
     wasm
     wasm
     wasm
  Lensman
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     wasm
 teslafan49
     wasm
  Lensman
 teslafan49
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  Lensman
 teslafan49
 teslafan49
 teslafan49
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 teslafan49
    Liberty
 teslafan49
  Lensman
 teslafan49


     wasm
     wasm

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  Lensman
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 teslafan49
      wasm
      wasm
 teslafan49
       larry
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 teslafan49
      wasm
   Lensman
 teslafan49
      wasm
   Eenigma
      wasm
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       larry

 teslafan49
      wasm
      hbert
 teslafan49
      hbert
  Boba Fett

      hbert
   Lensman
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   Lensman
Shere Khaan
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   Eenigma
      hbert
   Eenigma
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   Eenigma
   colorodo
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   Eenigma
    eestatic
       larry
   Lensman
   Eenigma
      wasm
   Eenigma
      wasm
        hbert
   teslafan49




 Shere Khaan
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       wasm
     Eenigma
       wasm
        Eddie

     Eenigma
        hbert
     Eenigma
        hbert
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
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        hbert
        hbert
     Eenigma
        hbert
   teslafan49

        larry

     Eenigma
     Eenigma
        Eddie
 Shere Khaan
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   teslafan49


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         jimp
    Excessive
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        Eddie
        Eddie
         jimp
     Eenigma
doofenshmirtz

     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
    Excessive
         jimp
        Eddie
   teslafan49
        Eddie
 Shere Khaan
 Shere Khaan
   teslafan49
 Shere Khaan
doofenshmirtz

     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
    Excessive


        larry

        Eddie
 Shere Khaan
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     Eenigma
      Liberty
       wasm
 Shere Khaan
        Eddie
        Eddie
       wasm
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
   teslafan49
   teslafan49
   teslafan49
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
       wasm
 Shere Khaan
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
        Eddie
   teslafan49
       wasm
     Eenigma
        larry
   teslafan49
   teslafan49
 Shere Khaan
     Eenigma
   teslafan49
 Shere Khaan
   teslafan49
 Shere Khaan
        larry
 Shere Khaan
   teslafan49
 Shere Khaan
        larry
   teslafan49
   teslafan49
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
     Eenigma
        larry
   teslafan49
     Eenigma
   teslafan49

        larry
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
 Shere Khaan
   teslafan49
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
       wasm
        larry
       wasm
 Shere Khaan
 Shere Khaan
   teslafan49
     Eenigma
       wasm
        hbert
     Eenigma
   teslafan49

       wasm
        larry

        Eddie
doofenshmirtz

       wasm
   teslafan49
   teslafan49
        larry
       wasm
        Eddie
     Eenigma
   teslafan49
        Eddie
       wasm
 Shere Khaan
       wasm
     Eenigma
        Eddie
     Eenigma
       wasm
   teslafan49
        Eddie
     Eenigma
        Eddie
       wasm
       wasm
        Eddie
     Eenigma
        Eddie
       wasm
doofenshmirtz

  eentangible
 Shere Khaan
  eentangible
   teslafan49
     Eenigma
  eentangible
 Shere Khaan
       wasm
 Shere Khaan


 Shere Khaan




 Shere Khaan
       wasm
       wasm
doofenshmirtz

doofenshmirtz

     Eenigma
       wasm
     Eenigma
       wasm
doofenshmirtz

        hbert
       wasm
       wasm
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
     Eenigma
       wasm
       wasm
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
        hbert
 Shere Khaan
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
     Eenigma
   eestorblog
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
        larry
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan

 Shere Khaan
     Eenigma
        hbert
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
 Shere Khaan
     farmEEr
        hbert
        larry
  Antipodean
     PNeilson
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
        hbert
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
       wasm
  Antipodean
     PNeilson
  PNeilson
    wasm
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
    wasm
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
Antipodean
  Eenigma
Antipodean
  PNeilson
    wasm
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
     larry

  Eenigma
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  Eenigma
  farmEEr
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  Eenigma
    wasm
  PNeilson
  Eenigma
  wasm
PNeilson
Eenigma
  wasm
Eenigma
Eenigma
  wasm
Eenigma
Eenigma
Eenigma
Eenigma

  wasm
Eenigma
Eenigma
Eenigma
   larry
Eenigma
Eenigma




   larry
Eenigma
Eenigma
doofenshmirtz

doofenshmirtz

       Lowell
       Lowell
       Lowell
   eestorblog
   eestorblog
   eestorblog
   eestorblog
       Lowell
       Taylor
       Taylor
       Taylor
       Lowell

       Lowell

       Taylor

       Lowell

       Taylor
       Lowell
       Taylor
       Taylor
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     PNeilson
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       Taylor
     Lowell

pageman99
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 armstrong
pageman99
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     Taylor
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 dfwrunner
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 dfwrunner
   PNeilson
pageman99
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pageman99
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pageman99
 dfwrunner
pageman99
     Taylor
pageman99
     Taylor
     Taylor
    Liberty
 armstrong
   Lensman
    Liberty
 armstrong
    Liberty
   Lensman
pageman99
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Shere Khaan
   PNeilson
   Lensman
   PNeilson
Shere Khaan
Shere Khaan
   Lensman
pageman99
Shere Khaan
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   Lensman
 dfwrunner
   PNeilson
    Liberty
  Excessive
pageman99
 dfwrunner
   PNeilson
pageman99
    Liberty
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
  Excessive
    Liberty
   Lensman
 dfwrunner
   PNeilson
Shere Khaan
    Liberty
   Lensman
    Liberty
pageman99
   Lensman
    Liberty
    Liberty
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   Lensman
   PNeilson
  Excessive
 armstrong
pageman99
   PNeilson
  Excessive
   Lensman
pageman99
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   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   Lensman
 Excessive


  PNeilson
  Lensman
dfwrunner
pageman99
  PNeilson
pageman99
  PNeilson
  Lensman

pageman99
     jimp
pageman99
dfwrunner
  PNeilson
 Excessive

  PNeilson
     jimp

pageman99
pageman99
  Lensman

pageman99
  PNeilson
   Liberty
armstrong
 Excessive
     jimp
  PNeilson
 Excessive
armstrong
   Liberty
    Taylor
pageman99

  PNeilson
     jimp
 Excessive




armstrong
pageman99
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  PNeilson
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  PNeilson
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
pageman99
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  PNeilson
pageman99

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pageman99
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
dfwrunner


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     jimp
 Excessive
pageman99

    Taylor
 Excessive
armstrong
      Fibb

  PNeilson
    Taylor
pageman99
pageman99
  Lensman

 Excessive
     jimp
  PNeilson
      Fibb
dfwrunner
      Fibb
     jimp
  PNeilson
      Fibb
pageman99
armstrong
     jimp
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
      Fibb
      Fibb
dfwrunner
  Lensman

  PNeilson
     jimp
      Fibb
  PNeilson
pageman99
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
      Fibb
  PNeilson
      Fibb
      Fibb

armstrong
     jimp
pageman99
  PNeilson
      Fibb
pageman99

   Liberty
  PNeilson
  Lensman
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
     jimp
pageman99
  PNeilson
      Fibb
  Lensman

pageman99
  PNeilson
armstrong
  PNeilson
pageman99
armstrong
      Fibb
  PNeilson
  Lensman
      Fibb
armstrong
pageman99
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pageman99
pageman99

     jimp
  PNeilson
dfwrunner
pageman99
  PNeilson
  PNeilson
pageman99
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dfwrunner
pageman99
     jimp
pageman99
  PNeilson
dfwrunner

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EEventually, PN DAP and others have verified the science end of things and PM himself has given proven insight on other
things.
stop fighting guys.
@hbert, sorry that I paid attention one day a couple years ago. But I did.
HE IS DOIN IT
This is a bullshit.
Let's talk about Rossi farmeer
hbert is correct.
wasm, very very few things bent. And only mentioned because I like the truth.
wasmaba at gmail
I personally do not give a damn about who PM's brothers do or are or what he has or has not done or whether he can
blog and drive or not, or how fast he can or can not make it from one point to another. What I pay attention to and
follow up on is what he has said WRT the EEStoy both science and everything else.

Give me your email. I'm at pageman99 hotmail
oh yeah, bent...
sure page, send me his resume
my neighbors dad made the conjunction junction and I'm just a Bill cartoons.
bent?
page, I don't doubt much of that... but some of your outright BS make everything you say questionable.

wasm, you want my roomies resume. He sent it to me when I told him I was working with some others here. He's as
straight an arrow as you can find.
were you picking your nose?
Yep, I just picked the most dramatic.
Oh, I forgot, my college roomie has the radar equipment for the lunar rover still on the moon.
page, but that is only 2% of your claims.
quick page do something else while you type your next post. That will show everyone.
wasm, you don't think I know how unlikely this all would seem to someone who doesn't know me?
here we go
Nobody can have another genius brother who jumped off a bridge.
Nobody can have another brother whose picture was in Newsweek.
There is a them, I am witness to that.
Nobody can have a brother who is a world famous lawyer.
Nobody can have a full scholarship to CMU.
wasm, no them?
I like that one commercial where the guy is typing and talking on his phone while driving.
Nobody can play pool as I've stated.
hbert, please help page... there is no them.
Nobody can be such a good golfer.
Nobody can post and drive.
what in the heck is pageman doing to tick y'all off so much?
I am sure they made assumptions.
No, HEE, this is important to them. They've been tearing me down based on the wrong assumptions.
@Heeman, you are correct.
whats going on makes me if not everyone question their trust level....:(
guys chill out this is getting tridiculous.
And they made assumptions.
Not the life of my mind.
OK
And they got the public me.
h, once they got my name, they likely did a records search of my background.
ok hbert.
wasm, post your data please.
wasm, why have you picked PM out of the crowd?
based upon data
I do not reject their word... I have not queried them directly. I reject your word, pageman99.
Why not accept their judgement?
Then why can't you accept their word.
I am not negative, and dap, h, exc and eev are fine in my book.
lol
wasm, why so negative?
wasm, you are getting upset. Calm yourself.
they are not
Are they all full of crap.
@pageman, you SOB, those are your words, not mine.
Hmm?
data does not matter
So you think dap and h and exc and eev are all liars wasm?
                                                           TRUE
PM, ok
wasm, time zone does not matter
Never mind h, it's obvious facts and witnesses aren't as important as speculation and guesses here.
wasm, let me pull the e-mail
hbert, in what time zone would you like the data?
the coup?
The board takeover one.
@hbert, what 10pm ZNN pr is pageman talking about?
Are you sure there are no assumptions in your record?
wasm, what record do you have?
wasm, PM did as he just stated.
@hbert, I have the record. It is impossible. And this is what I told you about.
hbert simply tell him I emailed you about the 10pm ZNN pr that afternoon before it happened. It's ok.
you're filling up my screen
jeebus pageman. don't you have something else to do?
wasm, do you know the starting point and time and ending point and time on the day in question?
You said you respect them. They are not doddering.
wasm, talk to the people.
look page. You are not a dottering old man, correct?
Why won't b meet me?
Why won't you ask real people instead of your conjectures?
I was there.
Sure, I post and drive. What do you want a demonstration. You want to call PaulF and have me demo to him?

It was not Graycliff... Graycliff was closed... you said so, not me.
I don't remember those details. But I remember the Graycliff visit.
Plus, you were posting nearly the whole time in chat. That is what the record will show.
pageman99, you drove faster than your own admission it take to drive from your home to the dawin house.

Many thousands.
Thousands wasm.
hundreds of chat posts
Now that you mention it, I drove up to see dap and emailed him as I went along. Many times. Ask him.
@page, no, it is not enough.
Query away.
I have yet to query them specifically on this subject.
And that ain't enough? lol
@page, the only reason I have given you any quarter over the last year plus is because EEventually and DAP interact
with you.
People here don't like it. So I don't talk about it here these days.
Well I did that while driving. We all know that.
You are basing it on the fact that I made hundreds of posts apparently.
Ask, eev, he was in dc when I was coming down from my daughters place near Reading Pa.
page, I am not out of line. It is clearly documented.
I do it constantly.
@pageman, no I am not.
I drive and post.
oh, and post several hundred posts?
wasm, you are out of line here with your facts. I don't know how or why but you are.
Why is it so important for b, you and Eenigma to try to tear me down?
so how did you drive an 7.5 to 8 hour round trip and tour an architectural landmark,, all in six hours?
Because he has talked to me, checked me and made a judgement based on his experience.
Why do you think he gets so pissed when b mistreats me here.
ok
He asked me specific questions of where I was to check my progress.
and?
Then we chatted as I drove home.
exc never took a pic of my car. He stated where he saw it.
Someone else posted a possibility.
I think exec did, I could be wrong.
Sorry, I've never posted a pic of my laptop.
Look, B was kind. He gave you space. He was polite.
Ask exc if he checked me on posting while I drive.
Yeah, I saw the pic of the laptop in the steering wheel. You could not see the road.
Exc even checked me on that.
bent?
We all know that.
wasm. I post as I drive.
bent?
page, one cannot drive from lake latonka to buffalo and back and tour the home and be out of chat for two hours and
post hundreds of posts. It is BS.
And I've stated such here before.
Sorry, I've bent a few things here for effect, but very, very few.
Page, I do not doubt many of your connections or many of your claimed abilities, but many are simply BS.

wasm, I don't know what you are driving at, but I go to Buffalo quite often.
shhhh
HEEman, stop
Are you going to tell me I haven't met with PaulF, or Exc, or Eev or dap or any of the others who seem to defend me?

I'm very saddened by this whole turn of events. I don't know what to say.
Pageman, you could not have driven to the Dawin Martin House and return in the time your chat history states you did.

wasm. Are you going to tell me there is no grant money?
On your slacking trip then.
feeeeeeeeel
lol, it wasn't a vacation, I was on my way to do something and I took the time to stop.
How does this make you feel?
Are you going to tell me I have no patent app.
Why would you do this pageman?
Pageman is lying to us about his vacation?
But if you want to hang your hat on that to question my credibility, go for it.
@pageman, your below quote only sinks you deeper.
I specifically remember stopping there and it wasn't open. Why I couldn't tell you off the top of my head.

@pageman, did you drive your Honda Civic when you visited the Dawin Martin House?
@pageman, nope, it only helps to confirm it.
Sorry folks the parks closed.
btw, I called Graycliff much later, they said they were open, but I would have to speak with a Manager to confirm.

8-)
So you want to tell me it was open on May 10 and this blows my credibility?
 pageman99 wrote:
 Wanted to do Graycliff on the way but it's not open today.
answer the question
What's your point wasm?
did you drive when you went to the dawin martin house?
What's your point?
did you drive that day?
so now you have the day

http://theeestory.com/messages/815011
Nope, I've been to many, many Wright homes many times. They run together.
you sure?
Why?
Graycliff was open.
No, that's not it, I think the Martin house was closed for renovation or some such.
page, ping please
continue
Yeah, no index in the damn book. Weird.
use google, it is easier
Hang on, let me look up the Martin house location in my book.
Did you drive your Honda Civic when you visited the Dawin Martin house?
wtf else you guys want. Christine?
Did you drive when you visited the house?
And dap has confirmed my stuff as well.
If it's the house I think, sure.
Yes, he has. We confirmed independent conclusions on a few things.
so 7 hours round trip?
Maybe a bit less than 3 and a half ours.
LOL, EEventually has stood on his own on this site since before I logged in the first time.
The martin house the one on lake erie? sw of buffalo?
Yes, of course as you should. Funny that Eev and I meet and all of a sudden there's a bunch of posts here by us. Maybe
you all should pay attention to things like that.
how far from lake la tonka to dawin martin house?
Dunno, 4 hours maybe. Depending.
I have ultimate respect for EEventually
how long to drive, typical weekday?
It's 200 miles to buffalo.
  pageman99 wrote:
  Look up my chat posts from a couple years ago on ABB. Have a good night all.
Look, b and I should meet. Along with eev who can judge the science. I'll be near dc in berkeley springs next week one
day.
and from lake la tonka to buffalo?
NYC is a pita to drive in.
7 hours depending on which part.
how long is drive from pittsburgh to NY, NY?
It reminded me of ABB, and I pointed it out as useful info.
country not company, sorry.
farm, b just posted stats in the last few days and commented on Switzerland having a high percentage for a small
company. I was simply pointing out why.
PM, I like using google maps some times
stats != two year old chat posts
Just be aware of the stats and Switzerland. No more, no less.
you just posted the keywords:
  ABB's nuke plant in Switzerland. Breznau iirc.
So take it for what it's worth.
No, I don't remember the key words. Maybe Brown Boveri. I don't forget these things. Especially when I keep up with my
contacts.
And that was here in chat. I speculated in general about a few things having to do with ABB.
fine, you have plenty of keywords there to search. please find it. If I am wrong, I will apologize and admit it.

Nonsense, I posted about my friend that worked for ABB's nuke plant in Switzerland. Breznau iirc.
page, just to be clear, you never posted in chat about ABB until tonight, but you claimed otherwise. Agreed?

b posted them in the last couple days. I'm just going by memory.
show the stats
of course they are
ABB is very, very interested in this site.
Look at the size of the Swiss population. Yet they have almost as many logged in here as Germany.
ok page... please ask your question again, but this time please be more specific or make it relevant.
what happens at theeestory.com, gets chewed up and spit out as anti mater on the yahoo boards, deleted or not.

OK, wasm, then ask yourself why there are so many folks from Switzerland that follow this site. b just did a comment on
that iirc.
bbl
turkey leftovers anyone?
:)
LOL
Seems there is an archive... :)
that was the one they learned on :)
B, Nek and co learned quickly though.
yes, it is.
It is a shame Plante deleted his first round of posts on this site.
even if they did... not really gone.
yeah, almost nobody does.
no, not two years ago. :-)
@farm, you delete your old chats from two years ago? :)
their
there main plant is in Georgia?
@farm, lol
I interviewed a guy from Baldor a couple of years back... maybe less. Hired him too.
maybe he deleted. lot of that going on lately
in chat...
farm, yup. Baldor has a good rep for reliability.
it is all about cabbage, rabbit, baggage, etc. not one post about the company.
@pageman99, I just looked up your posts from the last few years regarding ABB. Care to be more specific?

all the electric motors on the farm are Baldor, Never had a failure while I was there. They worked in some AWFUL
conditions looking back. Water, heat, snow, cold, bad electricity, bad operators (teenage me).

through for today pageman?
yup. dunno lens.
Eddie: Well, I'm just puzzling about why it takes so long to load, since the photo wasn't THAT big. Seems like you'd have
that problem on every website. Maybe there's something about the El Dorado here that limits transmission speed.

Look up my chat posts from a couple years ago on ABB. Have a good night all.
heck
lens, don't know why it took long to load
no
[quote=EEventually]regarding: It should be noted that earlier this year, ABB quietly acquired Baldor motors. This is very
significant in the traction motor biz. It's no wonder that ABB is making moves to enable EV's
Po, zmc is down, buy while you can get a bargain. zmc is up, buy before it really takes off :)
Is this the only website you access on that device?
lens what?
nice eev, yes, baldor has been around probably longer than most of us.
baldor has been around forever
Eddie & Libber?
regarding:
 It should be noted that earlier this year, ABB quietly acquired Baldor motors. This is very significant in the traction motor
biz. It's no wonder that ABB is making moves to enable EV's
Is this the only website you access on that device?
I don't surf the net. I dog paddle the EEStory.
how fast?
I have fast internet... very fast.
me too
pic took forever to load for me as well
iphone
kindle?
chrome
Night Tesla
I dunno, I never used a Droid. What is the browser?
nite tf
Touchpad?
Ipad?
Well, have a good night all. :)
that is true Lens. How do you do that only for this site on a Droid?
And if that really is a problem, they can choose to surf text only.
No problem Wasm. :)
thanks tesla
That picture wasn't that big. I have to wonder about those who complain, how do they surf the 'net?
Had I stayed much longer in that relationship, probably wouldn't be here. lol.
matt, smart advice.
By the way, if that pic was causing problems, refresh.
There's an african saying: If a man threatens to kill you in your sleep, you can go to sleep, but if a woman threatens to
kill you in your sleep, you should stay awake.
Liberty, nope. Got away by the skin of my teeth. :)
she beat you?
But she was wild, willing and gorgeous. Just had to know when to run for your friggin life. LOL.
Thanks Waz. :)
It is the crazy ones with wild tats, and good looks that twist your mind and leave your body spent though. Screwed me
up enough, I married one the second time. Turned out to be no surprise, total WACKO.

@lens, nice job. :)
tesla, the image you posted is really large. might want to consider deleting it. hell for slow connections and and mobile
users.
Closest I could come to a "palm palm".


damn. now i gotta click
Ah, that's a better view. She is good looking though.
Ah, Mr Plante teaches again. :)
@tesla, click on my link and enlarge the image.
wasm, I'd hope it's a temp. A permanent tat on your palms woul be one bloody, painful sumbitch.
or may 2017
wasm, yup
Y_No, 17 May the reveal date? lol.

@tesla, probably for a ceremony? henna temporary tatoo, maybe
Hate it when that happens...
Crazy babe. Always the fun ones, but not keepers.
laters
BBL
wow, still loading here
A good week. At least SOMETHING happened.
Eddie, zmc used the audio to get investors in a stock offering, and could it be by leaking the audio those investors got a
quick profit? we'll never know.
-s
lens, find a palm palms pic please
lol
Are we suuuuuurrrrrrreeeeee, it was amisspelling? LOL.
what I thought
Paradigm still buying noth of $1. TD taking profits. SP showing stenght after rising more than 50% in one week.

yep
"palm palms"? That's a strange mental image!
pom poms to b accurate


B's typo made that a little awkward
Next time colo.
Colorodo if you had asked CS that I would still be yuking
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
I always think of the guns on Eenigmas avatar being fired and palm palms shooting out the barrels.
colorodo Eenigma it took all my self control to not ask CS if zenn chicks really dig Eenigma.
LOL Colo
lol colo!
e better not Eenigma anyone else............LOL
Eenigma it took all my self control to not ask CS if zenn chicks really dig Eenigma.
larry lol
Girls get warnings from moms......don't Eenigmed
hbert, must be that deranged effect thing..
now his wife tells him, he better not Eenigma anyone else
"Do you like eenigmas?" "I don't know-- I've never done any eenigmaing!"
I'm dying over here
omg
Shere Khaan My mum told me it was not nice to Eenigma chicks............LOLOLOL
I do not think Y_Po would approve!
I find it curious that anybody would want to purchase Zenn stock at the price it is at.
Ah, always wondered. I was baned once. Didn't even know until it was over, and still don't know why. I think a comment
I made, right after I logged in, that was totally innocent, was misconstrued as part of something else. I hadn't been on
for even a minute when I made it, so it wasn't what the muderator thought. LOL.

My mum told me it was not nice to Eenigma chicks
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
LOL
Stop Eenigmaing around............LOL
does roll off the tongue like pagemanning...
if you could show a bunch of insiders selling into a "a post leaked audio zmc stock rally" Larry, you might have
something.
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Eenigmaing around is well known.
LOL
Yes we know.
:)
not me........I'm perfect
yep
as do we all at times
yep
he thought wrong
Exc must have thought so because of the last time it happened.
If your baned, but don't sign out yourself, will your login be shut down? Thought WT said he had access because he didn't
log out.
zmc hides behind their nda when they don't want to talk, but a cynical speculator might presume they leaked the audio
on purpose to pump up their stock.
a little harsh on b there EXC
yeah it's not like EXC to stretch and say b banned pageman when b didn't
tf: you want a sit down w DW?
DW has no obligation to supply pertinent information to the zenn shareholders
@Excessive, pageman99 profile has not been updated for two days, he was not banned/suspended today. He is logged in
right now. :)
I just don't want ZMC keeping pertinent info from the shareholders. I don't want DW to do it either, but he doesn't seem
to say shite to the entire audience. Guess I have to make a road trip, if I can get to sit down with him and shoot the
shite.
Excessive, yep he just wanted some help is seems.
I guess B had mercy on PM today...
Guess he just stepped aside.
doofen, not only impressive, but incredibly welcome.
just think it is not much to go on. sir. :)
never questioned your ability, Larry. go with your gut.
he's logged in
Exc just pagmanned us
agree tf - so that gets my attention, but it would be pretty freakin impressive if pfuji is right

Excessive B just baned Pageman99?....what what
een, spill... and we don't mean drool
Must be too Excessive as well.
pfuji has been bullish in the past, but it seems he's more bullish now.
quite entertaining, tho.
Unless Een wants to spill tonight. lol.
yup. on all counts.
and 2009
and spring
I think pfuji and G are as credible as we get.
a limb very reminiscent of August :)
calling Monday for a PR is quite a limb for pfuji to climb out on.

you disclaiming pantywaists..............LOL
stop pagemanning us Eddie
B just baned Pageman99?


Eddie questioned my ability to read DW and my gut feel, but we didn't get an eesu two years ago as the audio suggested
and we still don't have one.
wasn't looking for verication....you disclaiming pantywaists.
to my knowledge anyway
wasm, I agree, if the source was deep insider, they wouldn't be talking.
yup
odds have increased slightly
brb
but then his source has not really put any great information out there either
my thoughts as well.
k.
correct
G doesn't BS
G did say his source has been correct about nearly everything though
Jose, ole.
5 which
Eddie, on a scale of 1-10 I give it a %, witch is about as high as I give any speculation. :)
wasmaba nailed it
exactly
We really like G and pfugi, but that does not mean the source is a good one.
I'm putting on par with PN's
Eddie....not sure Eddie
yup. always good to have fresh information
how much gravity are we putting into the latest scuttlebutt from pfuji/G? opine, bitches.
larry, better than the pricipals in this. lol.
omg
I think DW pagemanned us when he said he was ahead of schedule
I reported what I saw and heard here, so I wouldn't be trading on insider info :)
Oh, it works. May be too many Exports and tequila. LOL.
.
larry inferred that TF, don't take it as gospel
I think ZMC was pagemanning us when they said they continue to pleased with the progress
LOL>
In effect they stopped pagemanning about with the stockholders
SK, okay, but I think their walking a thin line, if it's as significant as DW made it sound to larry.
when ZMC starte parroting they are happy with progress, there were indefinite delays
yep, north stadium
anyway
Mom must be gorgeous. LOL>
ZMC did say it by backing off any form of date prediction
YNo, I lived right under where you were standing in the first picture for two years
SK, true.
I saw it. If DW was telling you that, he should be telling ZMC, is my only concern.
muhahahahahaha
TF, larry said impression , nothing reportable in the least
Y_No's son looks like Y_No's mailman
tesla, if you read my recent topic, you'll know most of what I know
Your son looks like a young Patrick Dempsey.
good game Y_No?
But it seems to me that DW would have a legal obligation to report any thing that dire to ZMC, and in turn, they should
inform shareholders.
I see you have kept the weight off, YNo
dad and little No
look at #17 hat............LOL
and it was over 2 years ago
nope, hearsay is very far from reportable
SK, shouldn't ZMC be reporting that as significant news that could affect the share price?
ROMCROTFL
wasm Eenigma, stop pagmanning around with Y_No........AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
tell him everything
YNo, it looked bad for the first 25 minutes
Eenigma, stop pagmanning around with Y_No
way before that TF
Hey nonnY_No
Could be pertinent to the big dump by MS.
yoiu missed nada
hey No
An ark win
hey Y-No
I'm curious, because if what you say is true, ZMC is remiss in reporting significant news. And I figure if he told you about
the problkems and delays, ZMC must know.
Yeah, I cracked up at that one too.
Recall the leaked audio. Shortly after that and mainly due to that, I went to Eestor's office, actually expecting nothing,
but to my surprise meeting DW.
the bit about Weir releasing perm results again was a good one......
gtg pageman my kids a bedtime story

Jeeze Larry... I am not sure if that apology is enough...
So when did you meet DW?
I met DW, rumor, DW will die trying. I gotta Po all over that.
sorry, watching football :)
@tesla, don't know, but he might just be logged in and not paying attention.
tis pretty catchy
I'm stuck in a groove on record. can't get the image of pagemanning around out of my head
wasm, larry break his fingers?
I was working when you texted me.
here we go!
were pagemanning us Eenigma when you said your plan was in progress?
@tesla, give me a minute or two and I will look it up.
LOL
Een LOL
my day was OK
very good, thanks.
LARRY, Hello, when did you meet DW?
t day was excellent. and yours?
where were you today? out pagemanning around?
been cracking up with some of po's latest.
How was T-Day Eddie.
Eddie! :)
evening, all. ;)
EddieEeEE
Po has been on a roll....
btw, just in case anyone cares, Nixon was President in 1973, not Carter. :)



now release the same PR 3 times
way before Tesla
release the same patent three times
larry, when did you meet DW? Was it after the "micrometer close" leak?
Po is very amusing at times
he likes to do things in threes
i was laughing for a while at DW putting out the permittivity PR again :)
LOL, yeah, saw that one. He has some good one.
Po said
  Yes, Weir is releasing Permittivity PR again
Lensman said
  'Po, the last time ZMC put out a "We know nothing" PR, two days later EEStor issued its Permittivity Milestone press
  release. So it seems reasonable to think we're gonna hear something from EEStor Real Soon Now. Altho not two days
  later... no way is EEStor gonna make an announcement on a national holiday! Could be one on Friday, though.

Po had another funny one the other day
it will be a natural progression
eeventually, doofenshmirtz will shorten to just doof
GE, 3m, etc.... hells yeah

if it were Electro Power Tools, and they bought the license for all hand held power tools... not so much

what the heck is a doofenshmirtz? LOL
LOL
doofenshmirtz agreed
larry suggested
that kind of partner announcement... the effect would depend on the partner

wasm, your name change is so natural I missed it.
Trust a broker, and get broker... weak, but...
Its hell when you can't trust a broker!
I can't get it out of my head again
canacord and jitney then grizzed
pagemanning around........still cracks me up
evening B
it would seem so
is Paradigm pagemanning around?
Shere Khaan crapping on tec's diesel parked underneath..........LOL
Woodpeckering.
crapping on tec's diesel parked underneath
speculating
pecking
chirping
How are the birdies tonite?
yup
It would last barely a week before the bickering started again
like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic without reveal
something like a new partner announcement with no reveal would keep this place busy for months
a working eesu actually powering something and recharging, and has been working for mroe than a year

yup
I think something like that would cause a nice Zenn spike but only a reveal will cause AHBL
That is an EEStory oxymoron. IMO
I suppose time will tell
WT picked several options for the rumor. I like his pick on a possible new EEStor partner.
It's not really a good topic that, even in jest
PN, you going to teach in the spring?
I would rather that DW dies trying than I die waiting.
Eestor rumor, DW will die trying
What is the average age of the cars parked outside eestor are they getting younger.
Opps - potential text books for my class just showed up - something to do
that's an TheEEStory rumor
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
b doesn't like pageman, just a rumor
stir stir stir
lets talk EEStor rumors.......... :)
thanks
dollar even CDN
A buck .V
Take the right path
I have to read back a bit, don't even know what the close was.
Always revalue risk and reward
LOL
rolling poster dissing days. Eenigma on Tuesdays and Fridays...
And really easy for me to do
Vs - things I know that are more than big enought
I know too little and it is much harder than I initially thought
I sort of like dissing those that I deem deserving
Too much risk - too little chance of success for me
one less
no dissing allowed??????
I less competitor for DW that should make the stock go up :-)
DW has the field to himself - ozzy - mig - PM - and who knows how many more
lol larry, it was 2009, and i think you headed up the charge. Nice idea. :)
got it
Yep
you are saying no PN built EESU in your future
Just that I won't be building a EESU
we need a merry month of December with no dissing allowed. Like last year, or was it the year before that, or was it.....

OK got you
Too many other paths to follow
:)
you have given up about 30 times now
PNeilson 0/10
Too hard - too little time
I give up
what what
No EESU in my future
I am played out
OK
I think the story source will be the revealer - not me
tell the story
LOL - I have a lead on a story...........AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
LOL - I have a lead on a story - but ....
who played you? spill baby spill
I don't read topics - too many kooks
I don't think you were intentionally played
I have no more stories - been played too many times
what goes on in chat should stay in chat
story me..........but be careful taylor may cut and paste chat into a topic
brb
Yep - I have about given up my EESU quest
Pn baby
again?
I almost outed my August Story source
yup
yep, it is a classic.
so funny
Friggin Y_Po
almost, but I took mercy on them.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
did you pageman anyone today?
wamaba abba dabba
larry tis the season to dis everyone, isn't it?.............why dis Pfuji though? Of all people he doesn't desreve that

evening all.
my internal clock got thrown off with a mid week holiday
can't believe it's Friday evening
yaeh you're next... :)
tis the season to dis everyone, isn't it?
good grief
what's up with Taylor going after Pfuji?




Wow! this whole day working went very fast for me, always very cool to get lots done on days people in the office have
off.


Anyways...
Here is some information on the ABB charger stations being installed (will be officially opened on Nov 30th ) at BP
stations in the Netherlands...
The ABB TERRA 51 station with the fast DC charger can deliver 50kW max output power (pictured below)...



A little high level analysis for those who care ….


If the chevy volt (~13kWhr using quoted user/owner input here in chat) used capacitive storage (which it doesn't but lets
assume an alter ego 13kWhr fast charge clown car chevy volt exists just to see the numbers... who knows maybe chevy
can revive the sprint brand for a fast capacitive like times on chargewith ~13kWhr golf car small chevy in a few
years) then the ABB TERRA 51 (assuming charger and car can sustain max power transfer) could charge an alter ego fast
charge chevy volt in ~15.6 minutes (13kWhr/50kW =.26hr ~15.6minutes)



Now lets do the DW EESU 52kwhr under ideal conditions again using the ABB TERRA 51 DC station (max sustained power
transfer):
52.2kWhr/50kW ~1.04hrs ~62.64mins


SAE J1772 level 3 DC std high level analysis
This in contrast to the SAE J1772 level 3 DC std at 600V and 400Amps (=240kW) spec capabilities:
EESU charge: 552.2kWhr/240kW = .2175hrs ~13mins (ideal case and assumes both cable/charger and electronics can
sustain 240kW power transfer).
an eesu to zenn, would get eestor any amount of money they want
still cracks me up
to much pagemanning around today?
how's your walk on the dark side going?

hey B

Sorry B they are all at the mall buying christmans presents.
Hi B!
Delivering an EESu to zenn gets a few million dollars. and would bring much more to zenn
pageman000
doof, you too
eenigma, get in here
too much pageman today
When DW needs money he throws out a crumb or two of information to stimulate the investors.
i will
i well buy more when it get back under $0.75.
well, Lowell, if Paradigm believes it is real, then buying at $1.50 is still a good deal.
Although DW may not want to do business with Paradigm, they would most likely hear about it if DW needed money

Personally I thought Paradigm was just trying to make a buck but if they have not sold during the blip, they must be
waitng for a PR statement
sounds like we mostly agree today, price will be going back down. I wonder how long Paradigm will continue to buy.

He also thought that Paradigm was trying to curry some favour with DW to atone for their leakage of the telephone
interview
Lowell, this was his earlier position.
That was Pfujis position last night if I have paraphrased it correctly.
Chauncey was honest also.
Lowell, i agree with you.
pfuji in my opinion is honest and straightforward and means well. No more, no less.
Morgan Stanly had been selling off Zenn slowly for about three months. The pushed the price steadily lower. Something
going slowly down attracts the short sellers. MS stopped selling and Paradigm started buying. After three weeks of this
upward pressure the shortes panicked and covered themselves which gave the big price jump.

about what, the short sequeeze?
Well in this case, you are wrong.
Who is Chauncey taylor?
That's just today btw.


so there you have it
Thanks to muftee.


muftee would know
Has paradigm sold at all. I've not seen it.
So Paradigm held?
No sales
Have to sell to make a profit
Even thoughit was just a quick blip, I would still like to know if Paradigm profited from it.
pfuji and I disagree on the likelihood of a pr. I hope I'm wrong.
Short squeeze
does he talk about vaguely about seasons
I liked what Pfuji said here last night. His analysis of the price blip was well thought out and quite plausible

I don't want to give the wrong impression.
But we hardly talk often.
pfuji and I talk. He is an honorable man.
Lowell- lol
And arm, one must assume pfuji is known as a poster here.
Ex Bigwig
pageman99, so you know pfuji source then right?
Details dfw. lol
Taylor- I think pfuji was at 1agm meeting and made some friends with at least one big wig
gotto go for a dinner date...darn it, wish i had water to take a shower
I find it interesting that others have also characterized the Pos as yappy little dogs. If Po was a dog he would be a spoiled
chihuahua. Although ignoring a chihuahua is the best strategy, you really want to punt a forty yard field goal with him
instead
♫ Grooveshark: When You're Smiling ♫
Volts burn up http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45439574/ns/busines....TtA6PdddkdE
Well, at least you don't have to protect them dfw.
dfw, isn't smile language a lot like sign language; you just have to learn what it means?
lol
only smiles...sigh
Likely true dfw. Likely true. That can't be fun.
i have excellent sources, but they won't tell me anything
And he protects them as he should.
if you say so.
Taylor, I state unequivocally he has good sources.
but people see things differently
i don't by in the pfuji has sources theory, more like a Chauncey Gardiner to me.
pfuji is very pumped about the upcomming pr due to eestor needing funds
If nothing else, next week sure could be very intriguing
Certainly his investor grapevine makes him better informed re ZMC finances than most of us.
no doubt
pfuji does have some good sources iirc
that's right
Huh?
lens, maybe it was a source, no denial needed.
any what?
we have no reason to believe any of this
But I is a Engineer - so I is prejudiced
Do we have any reason to believe Paradigm's denial?
At least some Lawyers pretend to have a brain - no Bankers do that
I could believe that
or at least they denied it
You can adopt 'Po's term: "Banksters"!
That some lie to protect their butts?
You forgot one aspect of paradigm, pfuji's source said it wasn't paradigm buying for themselves
Is their anything else I can say to smear Bankers?
The Wallmart cashier is generally more capable in coping with life than a Banker
PN, that's what authors say: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story! :)
those with knowledge are well vetted
As a class - bankers are the dumbest humans in existance
or directed
LOL, I'm beginning to wonder who played who.
Sources can be wrong too, liberty.

♫ Grooveshark: Played by the Devil ♫
I just don't let facts get in the way of a good story! LOL
See, PN, you liked the excitement as I said. 8-)
how about an experienced banker
I knew I was being played when I first posted - but it was a good story!
No way a physicist can out snark Pfuji
You know you were played and don't resort to striking back. His friend is better than yours.
crush
Yup, yap.
the little yappying dog at the heels
Pfuji is a artist type - much hardier than us Engineering types
he's sure come up with some funny lines lately
it's when he says it
No, actually I don't think Po is effective at all. Note that Pfuji ignored him completely.
i don't
Don't read too much into anything any of the Po's say.
He certainly was doing his best-- or worst-- to interrupt Puji.
Po is very effective
interesting, Po's determination when pfuji was trying to talk
At least
There are 3 Po's
Which Po?
LOL
But if I was drinking Bombay instead of Sake you might talk me into it
LOL, I've got a few friends like that.
PN- I did not know you and Y_PO were friends
lol
Not really - it would ruin a beautiful friendship
PN, would you care to tell us how you were played and by whom?
Okay. That's why I asked, I wanted to know.
10k a week ain't peanuts.
there is enough money to be made lens
Do the math yourself bub
But if you find a honest stockbroker - give me his card - please
But if there is really that much money to be made in a penny stock, then the answer is "Yes, Lensman".
I would not discount pfuji. He's been to the AGM and can add body language to what was said. I don't think he is a
dummy or easily mislead. How many of us have talked person to person to anyone but each other? That adds weight to
his words imo.
That is why neither you or I are stockbrokers
PN: I can think of a lot of things I'd turn down half a million rather than do.

♫ Grooveshark: Excitable Boy ♫
lol, PN.
Would you turn down a half a mil Lens?
Strong enough for some, lets say.
Oh so that is the difference!
Seems like an awful lot of effort and expense to go thru to "play" Pfuji and his network. Is there really that much money
to be made manipulating a penny stock?
Yes, PN, but you are excitable. 8-)
PM - so that makes their arguments even stronger
No jimp, they have good contacts.

♫ Grooveshark: Black Friday ♫
And I get played
Just my gut feeling. We've all been here long enough that I think we will know when it's for real. This doesn't feel real.
Like the rest of you, I hope i'm wrong.
Neither am I PM - LOL Naive that is
I think pfuji / G are going off tea leaves, etc and the recent stock action, which could really add up to something
signinficant
They aren't naive.
Doubt it liberty.
I agree, Excess. I've been surprised to see so much buzz about the latest stock spike, and claims of high volume. It's
NOT high volume, it's just volume that isn't quite as low as it has been recently.
Mebbe he's right JimP, I certainly don't follow the shorts very much.
Just like I get played
so pfuji and g are getting played?
It is what it is and there is not a damn thing you can do about it
Volume is way low for real news in my opinion.
PM - pfuji made a pretty good case about a short squeeze.
Exc - you just left out the Brokers in Toronto are pumping
Smells like it : )
Never get too high and never get too low in your emotions when dealing with Zenn stock
so it was a stock fart
Excessive is right
Agree pretty much exc, though I think, it was more optimism from the uptick rather than a short squeeze.

Exc - I buy your story
Fibb - has Eestor burn-out, and post stock spike withdrawal...
The downward pressure of the huge sell off ended.
End of year expectations are high
Someone started accumulating
Small increase
Through in a panic short squeeze and you have a spike that fades quickly.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
He is just lowering his expectations
Fibb mostly follows b's lead.
I'm astonished to see Fibb making pessimistic posts here; it seems recently he's been the most optimistic of anyone.

Like I am played?
see you on the bus
Played?
Pumping by proxy?
Fibb - use the same logic on AGW that you are using on Zenn stock - please
He said he considered it as very unlikely but had hopes PN. That's hardly pumping.
yep
Fibb is simply trying to lower his own personal expectations so that he won't fibb out on us next with no reveal.

A PR this week is pumping
He surely doesn't think a 4 or 5 day phenomena will help him unless he has averaged himself way down.

Pfuji - also inferred that MS was probably unloading Znn from a institution like a mutual fund
I wouldn't call sully's optimism pumping.
Even Sully was pumping - and he does not read PN
Fibb -- if you do that where is your Brain

Mazda to begin deployment of i-ELOOP ultracapacitor-based regenerative braking system for passenger
vehicles in 2012
I'm not saying DW has failed.... I'm just saying this spike is not necessarily based on any good news.... it could be fake
news or pure pumpage
Fibb- I'm irritated that the stock did not maintain or trend up, so you may be right
I think it was a lot of little things.
Fibb, follow the market if you must. But generally the best option for those who are not traders is to simply ignore it.

okay...
Don't think so Fibb.
Taylor- see PN's comment
if you pull out the part of your thinking that desperately wants this to work out great, you are left with a pump and dump
as the most likely explanation of this weeks stock activity.
I can see it taking a long time to low cost manufacturing
a long ways off, but positive new coming. I am a bit confused by that.
Energy storage is in its infancy.
Not likely that all is lost, even if true dfw.
I confess that a lot of what Pfuji posted was waaaay more info than I wanted to know. But his depth of knowledge was
certainly impressive!
I used to think I knew. Now I don't know what to think.
ok
Lost to Zenn stockholders maybe
muftee told us that jimp;
if DW doesn't have a working unit by now, all is lost
pump and dump theory explains it all.
we learned that Paradigm has been quietly and even secretly accumulating shares
But I don't have B's phone number
not to me. just a bunch of dots with weak connections.
4 to 1 Pens over Ottawa and only after 8 minutes first period. Welcome back Sid.
I think some positive news is coming, but still DW is a ways off from working unit
fibb- it all seemed to make reasonable sense
LOL
Lens - I have WC's phone number
we learned some shit about how brokers operate. that's it.
I never saw anything in pfuji's analysis.

ABB installing electric-vehicle fast chargers at BP service stations in Netherlands
Well, that's a unfalsifiable hypothesis, innit? That WC posted "dumper" posts elsewhere, or under another screen name?
Sure, WC could be Duff... but I doubt it!
Cause it is on the same foundation as the stock brokers
Fibb- you don't buy pfujis analysis or do you just have eestor burnout?
lol, no.
Next thing Fibb will be telling us AGW is a scam too
yes
Stop it
Fibb - very mature attitude
they are playing us.
The stars say - no PR
loss
for all we know... DW has not produced anything that works and will never do so. Brokers caught wind of this and are
pumping and dumping to get the hell out with less los..
Lens - I am with you on wc info
Pm - why not
I don't expect a pr jimp. I surely hope I'm wrong though.
And I was a CFO once - LOL
LOL
Their hard work has resulted in analysis that has much more likelihood of happening than other stuff we read here.

lol
This is the pump site lens
I never saw WC post anything that looked like he was trying to get anyone to dump.
All Financial types play you - its all they know
I said it way back when - I say it today
PM - what are you saying you disagree about
They've done good hard work. And deserve kudos regardless if pr or not.
WC pump and dump
I think WC is active.... just not in chat.
Yeah, it's possible WC's source of info is no longer at ZMC. Lot of downsizing there, according to CS. Not just the Board of
Directors.
I've been in contact with pfuji and G. They know I respectfully disagree.
We are dark till we hit $100 per kw-hr
pfuji has been more right than wrong
Keep waiting Fibb
jk happened to wc, imo.
hell
tell me when I'm rich. that's it.
Play me
Well, I hope Pfuji is right about an EEStor announcement on Monday. Hope, not expect.
I'm not figuring out anything.
well what the happened to west coast- no news for awhile
Hardly exc.
I'm done with riddles.
Mine blew into the lake twice : ( This is the third design. I'm a slow learner.
You can still use the term jimp, I don't mind.
You are always played PN. I gave you one of the ways earlier today. Neighbor indeed. They were checking on you.

PM - I get you
Cause I was played like a fiddle
i used to do mine up, best on the block, then lost interest
Nah, not for me to do PN. That's yours.
PM can spill if he wants to
PM knows who played me too
Those who have the proper context, jimp, find my statements very straightforward. 8-)
That display is a lota work.
ah, another ditto
lol, jimp.
I love this new pagemanning term!
Hardly fibb. That's a direct attribution while still remaining polite.
And you can figure out the rest
:) i saw one yesterday, really elaborate house decorations...next door a plain decoration that said "ditto"

lens... love it
By
But a regular
And it ain't me.
pm that's not a spill that's a pagemanning
grand cayman it is
Well I was well played
lens- very funny
My favorite Xmas lights display is the house on the left. That's a local house in the Greater Kansas City area.

i remember that pn
And fibb you are incapable of giving that source the evil eye. That's a spill.
And then will you remember that I said an "August event we may hear nothing about"?
spill


lol, PN, impossible. And I never liked that rumor as you well know.
PN I'd love to give him the evil eye
I feel calmer looking at the scenery
lol
I would do that but building a dock is so much work.
Fibb - if I tell you my August rumor source - will you direct you ire towards him?
Thank youl
nice brick
yes, beautiful place.
I've been to Exc's house, a beautiful place. Well done exc.
Very nice excessive
excessive- very nice
Excessive, Nice.
or fake rumours
broker's are pump and dumping
Son and grandson helped me put up the Christmas lights on the dock this afternoon.




He seems to be in a grumpy mood
I'm cool with that
Tell us the criminality of the Stock Broker class has you pissed at the world
arm: Maybe some of both.
there is no PR coming within the next several days.
B are you listening - er reading
Good question arm. We all have an opinion on that.
B has merely dipped a toe into the dark side, he's a long way from taking the plunge!
jaded mode.... like me
is B in stealth mode or has he run out of information
B has gone to the Dark Side - the Jedi Dark side not the PN dark side
anything good
B doesn't say anything anymore so it doesn't matter if I missed it . muahahahahahhaha
long stocking
A step up for lens.
Er, Pippi
Glady, Pippy.
Lens - you are as whacked as I am - admit it
I'm not free, but I'm reasonable.
SK No and I love it!
it too some nausea and muscle aches but I'm free
Hey Fibb, didn't you see what B said earlier?
LOL Yup, Excess
Nature is a greedy algorithm in practice
But not all, and that's the problem.
lol, no names Exc, no names. lol
Fibb, did you take a course in self hypnotism?
Well, it's pretty obvious some here came from monkeys : )
I can walk away.
yeah!
I don't need to read it all.
I've done it.... I'm free of chat
Papa gene... bunch of nonsense called survival and mating... baby gene.
But genes are selfish! ;-)
And call on Darwin to give them an award
Who's to say we shouldn't look at life through the gene's eyes.
I pity those that don't struggle hard
To pass on the genes.
All we have is struggle
A genetic lottery with a goal.
Coupled with a environment we did not make for ourselves
yep
Applies to both of us though h.
We are the result of a Genetic Lottery
PN I mean.
Being president is an artificial goal.
We are not created equal.
PM mostly bar room philosophy.
Because you spoke a universal truth
Don't agree davidg
Well said H.
Or did you learn that in a Bar room?
PN, one.
not everyone is brilliant enough to have the perfect life. yeah, and you could be president if you put your mind to it.

nauseous
comes back to people expecting life to be fair
hbert - how many philosophy courses did you have?
am a bit nausious is that how you spell it.
True H
speaking of... I have some love to rent. The wife wants to go out for dinner.
I
lol, eev.
Work used to be thought of as survival and man took pride in just surviving. Now too many think survival is an
inalienable right so work becomes toil.
lol eev
I expect to lose my 'Investment' in Zenn
But sometimes school didn't last long. lol
it's not just how many you have... but when you sell that counts.
Yep exc.
I don't hate work but I don't deny the basic exercize in prostitution it represents. I just wish I could do my marketing
outdoors like working gorls do.
fibb, you getting summary emails now?
I looked at every job as being paid to go to school and learned as much as I could about how they did things.

You have more shares than I do
more sk
good. email me when it does.
depends if you have 1000 shares or 20,000
Actually - that might happen Fibb
any chance?
davidg, someday if you are really really lucky, you'll find out you can control your life.
I never hated work.
david, you need to change professions
PN, I'm hoping for 1.5 million.
Now for fantasy land talk - how much will you make off of Zenn Fibb?
it not about love of money, it's about hatred of work
And I know most of my friends agree that most people hate their jobs; we discussed that not long ago.
not any more.
I used to think I had to read it all
It was all Geek talk Fibb
In my experience, most people hate their jobs, and do them only because they must. Those who love their jobs are
either very lucky, or exceptional, or both.
wow, I finally am not reading all chat.... and I'm ok with it.
G'night tp. Always a pleasure.
Bedtime for me. Have fun and play nicely. Goodnight.
hbert - you have that right
lol, h.
Exc, help david g.
My last thoughts will probably be "No EESU Yet!"
just want enough to do what i want
Pete - more about how did I not manage to spend it all
but some things that were chaotic 300 years ago now have defined organization
Good point Exc.
Hardly davidg.
On the other hand, If money will fix it, It ain't broke.
Ultimately, when you are on your death bed, what are your last thoughts going to be about? How much money you have
in the bank?
there are many things i'd like to do but i must work. i guess you guys are or have worked in the knowledge field so you
don't feel deprived.
Eev, one can't know everything. Simple occam.
there's really no such thing as chaos... hust things that are still untractible to our minds.
The priceless things in life are free.
OK - Spongebob with a jellyfish net!
davidg, you have posted one of the great Truths of all time. Pay no attention to the peanut gallery here.

The gf needs nothing monetarily from me. I'm lucky.
Undisciplined, PN? You??
you should know better that chaos has its own discipline
I know I am undisciplined - LOL
.... and I'm not just being nice, buddy.
48 hours in the day would.
DavidG. More money would not help me find out stuff faster.
davidg, sorry, but you are full of shit. Most of us here have a very comfortable life.
PN, I know better than to try to encapsulate the marvelously attractive chaos that is "you" into a finite number of words
in a chat room.
My wife is very cheap to support. Worth her weight in gold.
with enough money you could pursue your passion of knowledge unfettered.
Cause I wish I knew that when I was younger
We need just enough income to keep our women happy. God help you if you have the wrong woman.
what someone without enough money to do whatever they want would say.
We all want more money and the security that goes with it, but not necessarily at the expense of making it the top
objective. Love of money is the root of all evil. (Oh dear what have I said!)
Agree eev. Very much so.
EEv - are you trying to explain my life to me?
I think people who overvalue income over personal bliss are insecure and living their own hell.
He was right on Monday, but slightly wrong at the end of the previous week, though to be fair he only spent 5 mins on
my doc as he was presenting in Trieste at the time.
I was for my children eev, but only up to a certain point.
I am not, and have never been financially motivated.
Farm can help PN. Math makes for efficiency.
hmmm
My supervisor and I have a healthy exchange of opinions. Usually he is right though, but not invariably. But we both want
to know the truth so it's not personal.
And my non-compete is not violated by it
Good profs love challenge and rise to it.
farmEEr - the wireless idea I am cooking - is really big
Lens. In our lectures the prof does not have to invite students to challenge......
Yes it is sk. I can't wait until economic efficiency allows for individual tutoring.
It's just a riff off what Feynman says with a lot less innuendo
As an example, how many professors invite their students to challenge them in class? If they were really interested in
encouraging independent thought and critical thinking, they'd do so. Instead, most professors treat challenges to their
assertions and "facts" as challenges to their authority.
And I want money and knowledge
and it is a desire to learn not just a presence
Does money make you happier, beyond a certain minimum level?
TP that has been my point all along, full participation iis driven by the individual.
Davidg - that would be bragging
DavidG. Because if you thirst for knowledge instead of money then that is what you will set out to acquire, maybe with
more personal satisfaction.
Well said sir. (eev) I'd save that one.
not willing to dive in when you really understand what the risks are
Not necessarily wireless - more sensors
Sorry davidg, but business has little to do with anything other than application and hard work. Money is not a true test.

better understanding of the risks?
that's right from my mess of a fruedian brain, PM
Eev. Maths is pretty key. But our next door neighbour here says he is very good at maths, but hopeless at physics
because he lacks the physical intuition. You really have to have both.
tell me more pn, wireless sensors?
Why aren't more of you multi degree guys multi millionares? Seems like most multi millionares are non-eggheads.

my school tried hard to teach critical thinking, large percentage of professors had industry experience
Yes, I'm aware of that pn. Just make the proper introductions.
Peter, the uptake is substantially faster on my post grads because they have a more developed pedagogical muscle and
usually a better physical experience for context
SK. Learning is a two-way experience. You have to fully participate too, not just sit in lectures and pass exams.

That I can finish up in 3 years or less
In a field I have been in for my whole life with a $25 million annual sales target
Nice quote eev. Yours?
TP, I know what I got taught and it is in line with Lensman's observations.
Lensman. Universities here certainly do help teach critical thinking.
lol, I digress here, tp. But only if they speak the language well. lol
... but unless you latch on to the bosom of mathematics, you will starve before you ever realize her beauty

Besides - I am starting to think I have a perfectly acceptable - low capital requirements business plan in front of me

Eev. Everyone needs retraining. But in the PhD student you ought to get more capability later on when they come to
define possible solutions to more complex problems.
TP: Can you teach critical thinking? Perhaps, but I don't think most secondary schools do a very good job of it.

lol, yes physics is a bitch and she wants you as her son. But only if you qualify. lol
Lensman. You can teach people to think more and better. Being stuffed full of facts does not hurt either. It is not
something to be avoided.
Ah, now we've passed on to nonsense from the others tp.
when we hire someone with a masters, we know that we have to either have a really well fitted application to place them
in or we will suffer losses in the efficiency of our compensation by having to train them out of their area as much as a 2
year AS grad.
PM. Agreed. Information Technology taught me to learn lots of stuff really fast - shame physics isn't quite as easy.

How true
No, it's native intelligence with huge amounts of knowledge.
You can't teach someone to be smart. You can only stuff his heads full of dry facts.
Yes, and that's native intelligence. Not knowledge.
SK. The main purpose of university is to teach you to think. Mostly it doesn't matter what you think about unless you
want to go for a science career.
It's the ability to have broad knowledge and be able to learn quickly that counts most.
profs are profs because they have a great depth in a discipline... high tech manufacturing is a frighteningly multi-
disciplinary endeavor.
didn't we have this discussion the other day with Asian education systems?
So I have found out - but I did not think that at first
I couldn't agree with tp more.
let me qualify and say that university can be great to support curiosity, but without that it is just rote learning to pass
exams
We have seemingly hundreds of profs in condensed matter theory. Almost all the full academics on our floor are profs.
There's about 10 of them.
Of course PN. But that isn't the natural end result here.
Rumsfeld's approach to war is an embarrassment. That idiot convinced the Bushies they didn't need to have enough
troops for proper occupation of Iraq. Rumsfeld has probably done more to damage the influence of the USA than any
other person in a century.
And all I want to do is build manufacturing companies
What is needed is not lack of specialist knowledge in one particular field, but a wide diversity of knowledge in multiple
fields. Those are the guys that make the breakthroughs. But they learn stuff like there's no tomorrow. They just don't
suffer from tunnel vision!
Building a EESU manufacturing company is well beyond most profs vision
lol, there are many good profs. But they are profs.
Pete at your age you are in control - at 24 - you are a lab rat
You guys have got it all wrong!!!
SK. That's not true either. From a personal perspective I knew I would retire and wanted to learn about EEStor stuff
properly. It did not take too much thinking about it to realise that the optimum vehicle was to do a PhD - everything you
need is laid on a plate for you, yet you are mostly in control (though don't tell my supervisor that).

Its too hard a problem for a prof PM
I think there is some middle ground between "You have to have intimate knowlege of a subject to make a contribution"
and "Someone outside the field is more likely to make a breakthru." I'd say that discoveries are more likely to be made
by those who know the basics about a field, but not the intimate details. How often have we read some variation on "I
didn't know it was impossible, so I went ahead and did it." ?

PN, is frustrated lately. As am I. But one must persevere.
The prof's there are not all that interested - but some of them are doing some nice work that needs commercialization

Rumsfeld = Moriarty. Evil genius.
if univ is about passing exam you didnt get your money's worth, SK
i know people who have great memories. can learn what their taught and get good grades. but original thinking is their
weakness.
Yep.
I think it was Rumsfeld who said... "you don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have."

Pete - I am getting ready to - I think
Not criticizing eev, agreeing actually.
PN. Are you saying you are giving up on the materials stuff at your local university?
just comparing developmental approaches
university is about passing exams, curiosity is about acquiring knowledge
envir and genetics
My luck finally ran out
pageman99 Deep understanding of context helps PN. Not to worry. 6:39pm 25Nov11
And boot camp is an aggregate problem, not an individual one.
Well - I knew I could fool some of the Bankers some of the time but ....
Learning doesn't have to happen inside a college or university. Abraham Lincoln never went to secondary school.
Personally, I've learned far more in reading on my own than I ever did in college.
Education (or rather knowledge) stops you going wrong in obvious ways and focuses your creative energy on the real
problem.
That's different PN. Assume all do.
... but the agregate macroscopic improvement was quite good enough
You talk to Bankers all day trying to figure out which one won't stab you in the back
it's not the education, it's the individual. yes an education is helpful but it just takes one idea to help the educted person
run with it. The idea guy doesn't have to know it all.
lol, eev.
I went to boot camp, I saw how uniform exercise prevents all from reaching their natural potential
Deep understanding of context helps PN. Not to worry.
Davidg. Absolutely. But creativity can be learned too.
Who wants to march in lockstep all day.
I wish I could tell who was FOS or not at first meeting
Of course davidg. As it should be.
No but they can be suppressed by lack of exercise. Education gives exercise.
two educated people with same degrees can be very different thinkers
Albert E spent a lot of time learning. He did not spurn knowledge. He was just one of those guys who didn't learn best in
the formal educational settings.
how did think you were FOS become a character flaw?
Didn't you farmEEr - he still does! LOL
be
He thought I was FOS for a long time
creativity and imagination can't taught
farmeer was never really behind
The Aluminum is not that mobile - the CMZBT is
  an education does not make a brilliant person
No, but it stands a much better chance than avoiding learning does.
farmEEr is catching up
ask DAP, that's his deal
He just couldn't get a job in a university because he was Jewish and a bit unconventional.
pn, the surface plasmon freq?
It is nice EEv - but not that nice!
albert e. was very well educated thank you.
Yes, of course.
albert e. for one
it's cuz I like it
Eev, lol, now posted almost as often as 'Choctaw Bingo' by wt. lol
It's rare to have an idea that applies without knowing the context intimately.
an education does not make a brilliant person.
So don't worry PM - the frequency is close enough too
and lastly.... the bed of nails
Keep telling yourself that. It will help.
Hence the phrase "From the mouths of babes."
all it takes is an idea from an imaginative simple uneducated person to trump all the higher education of another.



The Nickle scratch resistance is much higher
And Nickle plated aluminum cases for corrosion resistance
I have used Nickle ink myself for shielding
ty, that is important for something that bothered me.
lol, im from nebraska, i know that lateral!! :-)
Same construction methods - Nickle ink -
The plate is full of Alumina
Haven't read the nickel patent. They use nano powder nickel for the plates?
Alumina is already amorphous (showing short-range but not long-range order). Compressing / expanding that probably
won't hurt
And nickel nanopowder is good for LENR reactions it seems
Nickel is just slower than aluminum to oxidize a monolayer


Always wondered where your avatar came from Eev... now I know
How so PN?
tossing the ball to another player without forward progress
No, no crushing of alumina. but maybe be aluminium plates might not like getting stressed by constant charge/discharge.
But maybe that would be OK in EV's as you would only charge at all every other day, say.

I'm gonna have a black and tan now, so forgive any blurriness of thought from here on in.
The Nickle plate structure is more or less identical to the Aluminum plate structure
Lateral = perpendicular to the electric field. i.e. along the plate
... nickle and how that compares to a bed of nails
If the Bulk Modulus is 120GPa (guess) and the force is 10GPa then you could get up to 8% strain in the direction of the
electric field. The Poisson's ratio varies somewhere in the range 0.25 to 0.4, so you would expect 2% expansion in both
lateral directions. To counter that would need a stress of around 2.5GPa which would act on the plate layers. They are
only 10% of the thickness, so the plates could be stressed by around 25GPa laterally

tp submitted that the alumina may be crushed, for lack of a better word.
lateral?
I like to think of the nickel glass structure now and then. I find it interesting.
Insulator mixed with conductor
8-) PN.
It's a bit more complex than that, imo, tp. As is the assumption behind lateral breaking up of alumina.
The structure in the plates is enormously complex
The plates are 1 micron approx in thickness. That's almost 2D!
that also assumes 2D plates, by the way
Poisson's ratio being what it is (the tendency of materials when you compress them on one axis to spread out on other
axes), perhaps the alumina is being torn apart laterally?
yeah, well below anything that will hurt this material
Eev. The equations for charge-induced stress say that the uniaxial compression when charged is 10GPa.

tp, yes.
And at the triple dielectric points
I am worried about cracking from fabrication flaws mostly
If so eev, then we're ok.
PM. The CMBZT crystals are only 10% of the dimension of the typical cracks in that picture. It may not be cracking within
the crystals themselves.
I'm only worried about cracking from external stresses, not internal.
.... and how big
Point is that materials can be made to avoid cracking given certain characteristics. You think I'd post something directly
usable? Nah.
Depending on where the void is
So all voids are bad - but for two different reasons
Not my point eev.
EEv, the stoichiometry in the Hansen patent says 0.5% Ti vacancies i.e. an oxidised state. Those are defects and will set
up stress fields in the crystal.
This stuff doesn't have that
pffft, BT paste is friggin tertagonal and thus has substantial anisotropic dimensional changes at increasing fields.

Voids in the CMZBT kill the permittivity - and is well explained in the literature
Than voids in the CMZBT - from a breakdown standpoint
Gives a nice picture but in a different context.
B worry about voids in the Alumina or PET as much more consequential

http://www.mechanicalengineeringblog.com/wp-con...
welll. defect density is ideally low to zero
I personally don't see cracking issues for various reasons.
But the CMZBT defects don't matter too much if the density is high enough
Good point eev.
The EESU won't get hot enough or be stressed enough (famous last words after the rumours on cracking...) to allow the
vacancies to congregate together.
if you have a deep enough stratafication in formation energy between materials, then you can get some self-assembly, or
rather, organized oxidation
There are probably only individual vacancies. Because they will tend to be charged (they surrounding oxygen atoms still
have two extra electrons each) then the vacancies will tend to avoid each other in an uncharged system at equilibrium.

And its there in quantity
There is a difference
Its keeping it from terminating
there are different scales and different consequences to voids.
Its not making the reaction happen
B. There aren't any voids big enough at that purity and size.
Not a catalyst PM
so if you have no voids, you have no arcs
Otherwise known as a catalyst PN. 8-)
the arcs travel through voids, right?
If I sought money I wouldn't get it, and knowledge would not follow. If I spend all my time researching and paying my
own fees I will have a much more interesting time, and the knowledge will and is following!

Its a decomposible aqueous soluble densification aid
I worship neither knowledge nor deity but I am in constant awe of them as a system.
lol, liberty. But that wasn't what I was saying of course.
:-) jk
don't spend so much time here PM and you can reconnect with the gf
Crap.
Agree tp. What else have we beyond family?
Money is more important than knowledge. So seek money first and knowledge will follow.
Well said eev.
For me, the pursuit of knowledge is everything!
Lost my connection there while talking to the gf.
Faith and reason are not mutually exclusive. Any little catholic heart should have gotten that most important message
from JPII's most famous encyclical. It is OK to satisfy curiosity because it facts replace faith, there is always emergent
mystery to apply faith towards.
.
For my skill set
Er - is that a good way of saying I may have found better commercial opportunities
For me to deal with in the short time left to me to do this
Without a clear advantage in knowledge - the cash required is just too high
And I just don't like what I see on the commercial side at all
kills cats
is there a problem with curiosity?
I am looking at the problem mostly from the commercial side
PN. After just over a year of part-time education (alongside the research), I'm starting to feel I know a few things. Not
enough, but some.
I f'n hate that term
PN, take heart. if Penn state can't do it, why should you be able to?
Secret Sauce
There has to be a way around this
so... look at any crystal growth formula... the rate falls as the concentration of material at the interface falls.... as you get
to 97%, you are well into the tail of the rate curve.
Too little education around the problems - too little time - too little money
I am overmatched by this problem b
Yep it's called scale PN.
A densificaition aid that the thermal profile removes
PN, maybe PM will share info with you. he's tried to help all of the skeptics at one point or another
.
La is in there for sure from the literature
Eev. There may well be, but the Hansen figures keep it at low concentrations too.
A surfactant or some such thing that decomposes at a higher temp than then calcining temp
so something is up there.
They carefully include it when talking about chelation chemistry but then carefully exclude it when talking about
composition.
Peter... I am quite convinced there is a La component to the CMBT formulation because of the way it is handled in the
patent info.
Hi b - PM is going to beat me - cause I am almost ready to give up
There is a secret sauce to keep things mobile or I am foolish
lol, eev.
b, PN and I work together too.
PN, there are other ways than dw's. It's in an email I passed along from someone else.
fair enough, just don't let him handle your kilt
PN is PM going to beat you in the race to reproduce EEStor technology?
We are way below that - 0.25% for everything except Ca (4%) and Ti vacancies (0.5%). Oh and we don't know for sure
what the BZ/BT ratio is.
EEv - you are much braver than I am
I'm hiring Exc to rotate my kiln.
And the poor rotating kiln guy - even worse.
On defects, if the impurity concentrations are "parts per billion" then you get only a few in a crystal of CMBZT - with
1,600[sup]3[sup] unit cells = 4bn unit cells per crystallite.
it may be that yttrium is for seeding. At certain concentrations (above 0.7% I think) it will occupy A OR B sites.

I don't ever want the to be the one running the high speed jets - DW is always going to be pissed at that guy.

Now we're talking self organization fellas. Funny thing that.
Huge volume reduction - like 90%
defects are set at oxidation
I'm not talking about oxidation, but defects.
.... as well as substantial volume reduction
All oxidation happens at calcinine
no sir!
Thought the crystals were precipitated out! Then annealed. I thought annealing would normally restore thermodynamic
equilibrium within the crystal.
crystallization has to start center seeded or it's way too voidy to work... this means oxidation (cation organization) has to
be really energetically favorable at the seed and then complete outward through the particle quickly. This disfavors much
diffusion of dopants into concentrated regions
PN, I like tp's comments on size effects and homogeneity.
Far from atomically perfect
ds global inc
These are flash frozen crystals - then annealed - they will be inhomogeneous
Use those theorists timescales...
And polarization again tp?
It's really CMBZT!
Well quantum effects are pretty basic to calculations on crystals.
What? and not cmbt? 8-)
Eev. Of course it is BZT, not BT.
btw tp, crystals can be looked at as a quantized system.
really SHOULD NOT
PM. In theory yes, but at DW's particle sizes (10 nm alumina coating, 640nm CMBT granules) you don't get a lot of
inhomogeneity.
the primary one is Zr... to the point that we really should be looking at BT but rather BZT
I think there are multiple purposes... some are for formulation, some are for setting vibronic resonances. Can't look at
them as a group. regard each one as its own special snowflake
I trust myself not.
....Oh dear, I am a theorist too!
You try to get complete mixing sometime
The theorist just postulate that they must exist. Never trust theorists!
Not directly tp, nope. You are of course right.
tp, there will always be homogeneity issues even with perfect purity.
No-one looks at the Plank scale lengths and times because no-one can see them right now.
Eev. You could be right on that one, although there aren't enough of them to anything but alter the characteristics of the
material as a whole. If they congregated in grain boundaries or defects or something then they might have a direct
effect. But DW's seems to think his material is far to pure and crystalline for defects etc.

And what time scale you use when looking.
when you fill the bucket, you don't count the drops but it matters in unit conversion when you start to observe smaller
scales
gnostic am I.
one that is needed and essential for higher breakdown
Similarly, polarisation isn't noticeably quantum - just cyclic (a bit like the earth going round the sun).
I still see dopants as a conduction range limiter
btw, tp, it's no accident Maxwell figured out a way to describe the mechanics of the formation of the rings of Saturn.

Eev. Things are only helpfully described as quantum when you can see the steps. In the case of the earth going round
the sun you can't.
methinks eev followed that.
worry not, it still reads as a strange gnosticism to most
ahahahaha
k, that is good tp.
Too late!
Never mind. Lets not go there.
So if you have 4 valence electrons which can move in a unit cell and you move them all one unit cell then a picture of the
bulk material looks identical. That's why it is a modulo calculation.
tp, and...
meh, of course. But it's all we've got.
Polarisation in a unit cell is not quantised - just measured modulo a constant. Because if you move the moveable
electrons far enough you can't tell which unit cell they started off in. The only difference would be the piling up of charge
on the surfaces.
A good thing.
meh, still a sysem.... earth's orbit around the sun is supposedly quantum.... the jumps are just really really small

My wife has lowered the probability of me choosing Bombay
That was for you eev.
And quantum means you only get certain choices.
I was just saying,.... it's a means to account for wigglyness
uh huh
EEv. Mig's latest post is also about Berry phase and polarisation.
quantitized polarization hmmmm
  Vanderbilt/Resta wrote:
  We explain how the polarization is closely related to a Berry phase of the Bloch wavefunctions as the wavevector is
  carried across the Brillouin zone, or equivalently, to the centers of charge of Wannier functions constructed from the
  Bloch wavefunctions. A resulting feature of this formulation is that the polarization is formally defined only modulo a
  “quantum of polarization” – in other words, that the polarization may be regarded as a multi-valued quantity.

That's right Rutgers.
My supervisor is doing something with Vanderbilt, and was in the USA a couple of weeks ago. Keep forgetting to ask him
what they are doing jointly.
Adiabatic just means changing the field slowly enough that the system is always in equilibrium, in this context.

OK, the poarization paper.
should be right in your wheelhouse, Peter
Resta and Vanderbilt tend to stick to DFT methods in their papers.
the polarization approach by way of ababiatic conduction
Which Resta/Vanderbilt paper are we talking about? They published a few.
Not off hand eev. Let me look it up.
New Pizza theory of Polarization
remember that cool paper by Resta/Vanderbilt?
lol
DFT band gaps are normally too small. That would lead you to overestimate the chance of breakdown.
Too many ions.
No anchovies please.
Now we have the Pizza Cheese theory of high ED
Eev, Mozzarella is an excellent way to look at it.
PN. DFT gets band gaps wrong. That doesn't help at all.
And probability gets in the way too - in a bad way
..at a certain thickness it probably stops mattering any more as the electrons in a strong electric field get more localised,
which means there is much less chance they more to where we don't want them, because the probability density gets
much less.
So it overestimates breakdown
Problem is DFT will miss the fine peaks of the wiggles
yeah, since so much orbital change can go into both bonding and anti-bonding complexes.
The thinner your layer the greater the breakdown field that is possible (but the lower the voltageg) but...

Eev. The quantum limits on breakdown are very interesting.
CM=Clasuius Missouri... that's it
hell yeah...
what's missouri got to do with anything?
So DW's material is probably very pure at the purities he is claiming.
valence is accounted for on the ends... that's the cation part
Yes, plenty of good insight. The lectures on defects and dislocations help too. For the sort of sizes DW is using he
probably doesn't have too many defects, and with the Ti vacancies he's probably giving himself a very low probability of
any insterstitials (as Ti4+ will be the smallest ion around). Can see why he would want to eliminate Na and K ions.

MO gives results Mr Valence will miss here
and MO is not a bad approach for that
you have to map out the entire ion/ligand/cation complex to get any kind of accurate cohesive energy which should
approximate an idea breakdown energy
Cause that whole deal is breakdown for the next decade at least
Are you getting any insight?
PN. Breakdown stuff is getting fun.
Tight binding is good - you can be as crude as you like or refine it to be more precise. Will probably do some pure
electron density modelling in a combination of real space in the direction of the electric field and Bloch functions in the
other two directions. Could be useful.
yeah... I wonder if Rossi has the same utterances of "saving Italy" as our Cedar Park hero...
Buy it back later when its cheaper
I am shorting anything Italian these days
8-) mebbe, eev, mebbe. I was waiting on that one. Read mig's last post. He put that up for a reason.
lol eev.
santa cheese
Clausius Mozzerella?
Where the answer is in the fine wiggles
yeah, so does CM
PN. I'm not into computational chemistry stuff. They spend millions of CPU hours to calculate the bond angle of water, or
suchlike.
And DFT misses the fine wiggles in conduction
Mebbe eev, maybe. Was wondering when you'd get there. Mig's last post addressed that in a general way.

you can look at dopants in terms of conduction or phonons.... brings the same numbers, I figure
Damn, dropped post there.
But they don't really work - in the general case
tp, knows those PN.
And I believe Mig's patent took that approach. See chat a couple years back.
I want a general purpose computational chemistry program! That really works!
Small pipe? Are we talking bonds here?
.... or has a different media in the pipe?
by the way.... small pipe is connected to the larger anion?
If you prefer wiggly as eev says.
You can do phonons then pn.
PN. What do you want?
Similarly for me. Physical theory would be fine to talk about, but the stuff directly related to EEStor I would prefer not to
make public.
EEv - I am not really interested in MO - I want beyond MO - but I can't find it!
Mig's monologues always have a theme.
Why eev, hard to discuss now w/o getting into too many details. But that's just me. I don't like giving away too much to
would be competitors of eestor.
He's getting into quantum field theory though, which I'm only vaguely aware of.
hey, we got PN interested in MO theory
What do you mean - BigMig keeps up his interesting monologues!
...alas
But the science discussions here have been waning.
Seemed to be what he was saying.
Time limit for what? Amount of time he can spend on TheEEStory. I don't blame his wife (whom I have not met).
Pauli or Pauling.... both are applicable
That was in one of his posts.
He seemed to imply he was on a time limit. Wife thing or self imposed, I dunno.
Haven't seen him around. Probably lost interest. I keep him briefed by email on what I am doing.
That is my made up story and I am sticking with it
did he stub his toe on Pauli yet?
Too expensive - mil use only
And one doesn't get far up in organizations w/o worrying about one's credibility.
Could have come through DOD.
where is Tom these days, anyhow?
EE-tom's AHBL = acerbic hypercritical bitter lecture
PM C'mon. How many seconds do you have to think about EEStor before realising what it would do to ground transport?

Tp that would be Panetta's job now - DOD work
I dunno about that tp. Maybe in a general discussion about possible new tech. But even then...
He obviously knows which day is Wednesday, even if he can't get the PR release quite right and has to correct on Monday
or Tuesday.
PM. Of course Obama gets to know stuff like that. It's surely important enough that Chu would have briefed him.

He is getting a bit old though. Does he know what day of the week it is?
colorodo. We established fairly conclusively that if DW knows what day of the week it is then he will choose a Wednesday
to announce something, then publish the corrections on Monday or Tuesday.
That's the odd thing tp. Would he have been? Strikes me as pure hope for those who think such things.
Don't make me take up quilting Eev. 8-)
My niece is in a swimming club in Washington DC with Obama's daughter - wonder if she knows anything about EEStor.
Obama must have been briefed on it.
with a bombay chaser
why would a quilter lie about a nanotech company?
Didn't you guys get the memo? Monday is hypothetical AHBL. I expect you all to be there and be hypothetically excited.

eeNuff. Try not to come back - but you'll probably have to!
who's on first?
.... so it's pretty solid credibility there.
can i have a two pill day? i want two of the red ones, please
l8r folks. have a great weekend.
I heard this from my second cousin who is in a quilting circle with the wife of DW's pharmacist.
that's what I meant to say. ZMC

DW had to finish a patent first and he's not allowed to do those during the working days.
I thought that was Zenn.
or last spring

it has to do with medication... mondays used to be "two pill days" but they changed DW's perscription so now he can do
press releases on any day but Teusday/Thursday
I'm married and my wife is sitting watching the Masters Series final tennis on the plasma TV. Berdych lost the first set 6-
3 but has won 12 of the last 17 games and is 2 points off getting through to the semis.

TP I came across the times recently but I can't remember if it was EEStor or ZMC. I think it was EEStor and it was 5 and
6pm. some at 5pm, some at 6pm
why on Monday in 2009?
AHBL = another hilarious blog letdown
To get lucky? 8-)
There we go then. Wednesday is DW's favourite day for announcements.
7/29 Tuesday was sort of a correction IIRC. It was an update to the purity.

PM. What do you expect at 10p.m. on a Friday?
and tuesdays, to discuss what to expect on wed
WT. Now what times were the EEStor press releases made?
Ah, the thinking man's speculator. tp you are mister analytical par excellence!
What about the Tuesday? If that was a correction too then we need only come here on Wednesdays.
I take it all back. Wednesday is the day. If the 13th is more often a Friday then the 4th, 11th, 18 and 25th are more
often a Wednesday.
The Monday press release was a 'correction'

We haven't finished Friday yet!
  A post I lifted last year wrote:
  Since 2007 EEStor has made 5 press releases all between the months of January and July.


  - 2007-01-17 Wed
  - 2008-01-09 Wed
  - 2008-07-29 Tues
  - 2009-04-22 Wed
  - 2009-04-27 Mon
well thanks for ruining my weekend then! LOL
I don't mind them any more!
tp, she won't let me buy her anything. lol
tp, no one likes mondays.
PM. She wants to you buy it for her. That's easy.
I'll hand her a blouse at the store and she'll say, Oh that is really cute looking.
eeNuff. Neither Zenn nor EEStor seem to like Mondays much, at least so far.
8-) pico. But then why does my gf say she likes the way something looks all the time?
eeNuff. The 13th is more often a Friday than any other day of the week. You can prove it!
hand
'main press release' excludes the correction press releease

DW needs money but his demo is a hanshake buzzer
The powerplay one was on a Friday at 10PM?
U see pm. Ur not an atheist!
I forgot I told everyone not to parse and I worded it carefully.

check that WT
I suppose it's why god gave us beer.
Lol. We hope liberty
could be never - oops, was that out loud?
lol
all but 1 of EEStor's main press release were on a Wed.

we are in the final years
could be days, weeks, months, years...
Or next year...
Or next month...
there's a 1 in 5 chance it will be A monday ;)
Or any other day.
or tuesday
It's 5pm. Where's my pr? I guess it will be monday. :)
:(
That's a wt classic. 8-)
lol u gotta get that under control!
Eev, I'm in the middle of reading 'With the Old Breed: On Peleliu and Okinawa' It's a straightforward telling of those
invasions by a marine who was a mortarman there. No nonsense reality. Should be required reading for all high
schoolers.
If I get the nuts I stand up in my chair and pee a little.

The thing about playing live for me is that I have a tell

you get the idea

and lake party games

and race camping games

only played live at home games

I have never done it but I will soon

I want to hit the casino this weekend for some live action poker
$$

lol
he shoulda stayed asleep!
uh oh, cobra woke up!
gotcha eeNuff

I am a loser

you'll double your buy in at least, if you just play tight until cobra blinds out
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     Liberty
      Yukon
     Liberty
      Yukon
     Liberty
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
     Liberty
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
     Liberty
     Liberty
     Liberty
     Liberty
     Liberty
     Liberty
Shere Khaan
     Liberty
whiskeythief
     Liberty
     Liberty
     Liberty
whiskeythief
whiskeythief


     Liberty
     Liberty
      Yukon
      Yukon
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
     Liberty
      Yukon
whiskeythief
      Yukon
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
      Yukon
whiskeythief
      Yukon
      Yukon
Shere Khaan
     Liberty
      Yukon

whiskeythief

 EEventually
whiskeythief
     Liberty
      Yukon
   colorodo
      Yukon
whiskeythief
      Yukon
      Yukon
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
      Yukon

Shere Khaan
Shere Khaan
      Yukon
Shere Khaan
whiskeythief
      Yukon

whiskeythief
     Liberty
      Yukon
Shere Khaan
      Yukon
      Yukon
whiskeythief
      Yukon
whiskeythief
Shere Khaan
      Yukon
     Liberty
Shere Khaan

      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon

whiskeythief
   colorodo
Shere Khaan
Shere Khaan
      Yukon
   colorodo
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
whiskeythief

      Yukon
      Yukon

      Yukon
      Yukon
whiskeythief

      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon

          G
      Yukon
          G
whiskeythief
      Yukon
whiskeythief
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon

      Yukon
      Yukon
whiskeythief

      Yukon
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

      Yukon
whiskeythief
      Yukon
whiskeythief
       Miles
      Yukon
      Yukon
      Yukon
       Miles
 Texas Bear
      Yukon
whiskeythief
     Liberty
   colorodo
      Yukon
whiskeythief
       Miles
      Yukon
   colorodo

whiskeythief

      Yukon
        Fibb
      Yukon
       Miles
       Miles
       Miles
     Liberty
      Yukon
       Miles
        Fibb

      Yukon
     Liberty
       Miles
whiskeythief
       Miles
      Yukon
     Liberty
       Miles
        Fibb
       Miles
       Miles
        Fibb
        Fibb
       Miles
        Fibb
        Fibb
      Yukon
       Miles
        Fibb
      Yukon
        Fibb
       Fibb
     Yukon
       Fibb

      Miles
Shere Khaan
       Fibb
Shere Khaan
     Yukon
       Fibb
Shere Khaan
     Yukon
       Fibb
      Miles
       Fibb
 Texas Bear




       Fibb
     Yukon
      Miles
       Fibb
     Yukon
     Yukon
       Fibb
       Fibb
     Yukon
       Fibb
     Yukon
       Fibb
      Miles
     Yukon
       Fibb
     Yukon
      Miles
     Yukon
     Yukon
      Miles
     Yukon
     Yukon
     Yukon
     Yukon
      Miles
     Yukon
     Liberty
       Miles
     Liberty
       Miles
      Yukon
       Miles
 Texas Bear
      Yukon
       Miles
 Texas Bear
       Miles
      Yukon
     Liberty
      Yukon
       Miles
 Texas Bear
      Yukon

 Texas Bear
       Miles
 Texas Bear
      Yukon
       Miles
      Yukon
 Texas Bear

       Miles
      Yukon
     Liberty
       Miles
      Yukon

     Liberty
 Texas Bear

       Miles
Shere Khaan
       Miles
        p37
        p37
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
        p37
whiskeythief
        p37
  Excessive
        p37
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
        p37
  dfwrunner
  Excessive
whiskeythief
  Excessive
      hbert
        p37
  dfwrunner
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
      hbert
whiskeythief
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
       larry
      hbert

whiskeythief
  Excessive
  Excessive
whiskeythief
  Excessive
whiskeythief

  dfwrunner
       larry
  Excessive
whiskeythief
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
  Excessive
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief

  dfwrunner
  dfwrunner
       larry

  dfwrunner

  Excessive
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
  Excessive
whiskeythief
  dfwrunner
  dfwrunner
  Excessive
       larry
  Excessive
whiskeythief
       larry
whiskeythief


       larry
  dfwrunner
  Excessive
    farmEEr
      doofy
whiskeythief
      doofy
   PNeilson
      hbert
      hbert
      hbert
  Excessive
    farmEEr
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief

   PNeilson
   PNeilson
  dfwrunner
  Excessive
whiskeythief
   PNeilson

  Excessive
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
       larry

whiskeythief
whiskeythief
  Excessive
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
       EEME

    farmEEr
  Excessive
     Liberty
  dfwrunner
     DaveM
  dfwrunner
    farmEEr
   PNeilson
       EEME
   PNeilson
     DaveM
whiskeythief
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
   PNeilson
       EEME


whiskeythief
    farmEEr
   PNeilson
whiskeythief

  Excessive
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief
  Excessive
     Liberty
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
whiskeythief

      hbert
   PNeilson
      hbert
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
       larry
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
  Excessive
whiskeythief
  Excessive
   PNeilson
  Excessive
whiskeythief

   PNeilson
       larry
   PNeilson
  Excessive
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
  Excessive
  Excessive
       larry
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
  Excessive
   PNeilson
     Liberty
       larry
  Excessive
 EEdreamer
 EEdreamer
  Excessive
 EEdreamer

whiskeythief
  Excessive
     Liberty
      hbert
  Excessive
whiskeythief

  Excessive
  Excessive
     Liberty
       larry
  Excessive
  Excessive
  Excessive
     Liberty
  Excessive
  Excessive
  Excessive
  Excessive
  Excessive
  Excessive
     Liberty
  Excessive


     Liberty
    eestatic




     Liberty
  Excessive
  Excessive
whiskeythief
     Liberty
  Excessive
whiskeythief
     Liberty
whiskeythief
       Mark
     Liberty
       Mark
whiskeythief
    farmEEr

     Liberty
  Excessive
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
       Mark
    farmEEr
whiskeythief
  Excessive
whiskeythief
      hbert
whiskeythief

  Excessive
     Liberty
       larry
whiskeythief


      hbert

  dfwrunner
     Liberty
  Excessive
     Liberty
  Excessive
  Excessive

  dfwrunner


     Liberty
whiskeythief
       larry
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
       larry
whiskeythief
  Excessive


whiskeythief

       larry

  dfwrunner
     Liberty
      epson
whiskeythief

whiskeythief
       Mark
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
       larry
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
  dfwrunner


whiskeythief
       larry
     Liberty
whiskeythief
       larry

  Excessive
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief

  dfwrunner
whiskeythief
  Excessive
     Liberty
whiskeythief
  Excessive
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief
whiskeythief




 EEventually
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

 EEventually
       larry
 EEventually

  dfwrunner
       larry
 EEventually

 EEventually
whiskeythief
  dfwrunner
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
  dfwrunner

whiskeythief

 EEventually
whiskeythief
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief

whiskeythief

  dfwrunner

  dfwrunner
whiskeythief

 EEventually
 EEventually

  dfwrunner
  dfwrunner
 EEventually

  dfwrunner
     Liberty
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

   PNeilson
 EEventually
whiskeythief
  dfwrunner
       larry

 EEventually
  dfwrunner
 EEventually
  dfwrunner
 EEventually

       larry
  dfwrunner

 EEventually
  dfwrunner
     Stormn
whiskeythief
       larry
  dfwrunner
  dfwrunner
  dfwrunner
 EEventually
 EEventually

 EEventually


  dfwrunner
       Mark
  eestorblog
  eestorblog
       Mark
  eestorblog
 EEventually
 EEventually
       Mark

  eestorblog
 EEventually


     ricinro
       p37
    Liberty
 eestorblog
       p37
 eestorblog

 dfwrunner
 eestorblog
 dfwrunner
 eestorblog
 eestorblog
 eestorblog
EEventually
    ricinro
EEventually


 eestorblog
    ricinro
    ricinro
EEventually
 eestorblog
 eestorblog
 dfwrunner
 eestorblog
 dfwrunner
    ricinro
 eestorblog
EEventually
 dfwrunner

EEventually
    Liberty
 eestorblog
EEventually
    ricinro

 eestorblog
EEventually

 eestorblog
EEventually


 eestorblog
    ricinro
      larry
    ricinro
 eestorblog
  eestorblog
     Liberty
  eestorblog
  eestorblog
     Liberty
  eestorblog
  eestorblog
  eestorblog
     ricinro
  eestorblog
     Liberty
   Lensman
   Lensman

     Liberty
     ricinro
     ricinro
     Liberty
   Lensman
     Liberty
     ricinro
   Lensman




     Liberty
     ricinro
     ricinro
     Liberty
     ricinro
     ricinro
     Liberty
     ricinro
     Liberty
     Liberty
 EEventually
     Liberty
 EEventually
     ricinro
whiskeythief
     ricinro
 EEventually
whiskeythief
  teslafan49
 EEventually
  teslafan49

whiskeythief
whiskeythief
 EEventually
whiskeythief
 EEventually




  teslafan49
  teslafan49
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
  teslafan49
     Liberty
whiskeythief
  teslafan49

   Eenigma
       Mark



   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
  teslafan49
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

   Eenigma
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
     Lowell
 EEdreamer

whiskeythief
     Lowell
whiskeythief
  tony-ynot
  tony-ynot
  tony-ynot


       Y_No
 EEdreamer
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
     Liberty
 EEventually

whiskeythief
     Liberty
  teslafan49
   Lensman
 EEdreamer
 EEventually


      hbert
whiskeythief
 EEdreamer


   Lensman




   Lensman
      EEventually

      EEdreamer
        Lensman

         farmEEr
      EEdreamer
        Eenigma
        colorodo
       teslafan49

      EEventually

       dfwrunner
      EEdreamer
          Liberty
       dfwrunner
       dfwrunner
       dfwrunner
      EEdreamer
        Lensman




       dfwrunner

Futureman 100/10
         farmEEr

Futureman 100/10
        Lensman
        Lensman
   doofenshmirtz
     whiskeythief
         glassgirl
            hbert
     whiskeythief
   doofenshmirtz
     whiskeythief
    Lensman

 whiskeythief
        Mark
     eestatic
doofenshmirtz
EnergyGuy91
 whiskeythief
        Mark
 whiskeythief
        Mark
    Lensman
    Lensman

EnergyGuy91
        Mark
   dfwrunner
doofenshmirtz
        hbert
    Lensman
     Eenigma
   dfwrunner
     Eenigma
    Lensman
doofenshmirtz
   EEdreamer
     glassgirl
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
doofenshmirtz
   dfwrunner
 whiskeythief
   dfwrunner
     glassgirl
 whiskeythief
     Eenigma
doofenshmirtz
     glassgirl
    Lensman
   dfwrunner
     Eenigma
     Eenigma

 whiskeythief
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
     Eenigma


    Lensman
   dfwrunner
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
doofenshmirtz
doofenshmirtz
doofenshmirtz
      Liberty
      Liberty
         jimp
         jimp
      Liberty
         jimp
      Liberty
         jimp
doofenshmirtz
         jimp
         Fibb
         Fibb
doofenshmirtz
         Fibb
         jimp
         Fibb
         jimp
         Fibb
     glassgirl
         Fibb
         jimp
      Liberty
         Fibb
         Fibb
     glassgirl
         Fibb
         jimp
         Fibb
         Fibb
         Fibb
         Fibb


         jimp
      Liberty
         Fibb
         jimp
        jimp
    glassgirl
        Fibb
        Fibb




        jimp
        Fibb
        jimp
        Fibb
        jimp
        Fibb
        jimp
        Fibb
whiskeythief
        Fibb
        Fibb
        jimp
        jimp
        Fibb
        Fibb
        jimp
   Eenigma
        Fibb
   Eenigma
        Fibb
   Eenigma
        Fibb
   Eenigma
   Eenigma




        jimp
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
        jimp
whiskeythief

    scupper
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
          jp
   Eenigma
          jp
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
   Eenigma
   Eenigma

whiskeythief
whiskeythief
    glassgirl
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
    glassgirl
whiskeythief
    glassgirl
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
       hbert
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
    glassgirl
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
       Y_No
       Y_No
       Y_No
whiskeythief
    glassgirl
       Y_No
   Eenigma
       Y_No
    glassgirl
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
       Y_No
   Eenigma
    eureka!
       Y_No
    glassgirl
whiskeythief
    eureka!
   Eenigma
       hbert
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
    eureka!
   Eenigma
       hbert
   Eenigma

    eureka!

       hbert
   Eenigma
    glassgirl
       hbert
whiskeythief
       hbert


    eureka!

whiskeythief
   Eenigma

whiskeythief
whiskeythief
    eureka!
 whiskeythief

        Y_No
     glassgirl
     Eenigma
     Eenigma
 whiskeythief
 whiskeythief
doofenshmirtz

      eureka!
 whiskeythief
     glassgirl
     Eenigma

doofenshmirtz
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson

 whiskeythief
 whiskeythief

     Eenigma

doofenshmirtz

      eureka!
 whiskeythief
doofenshmirtz

 whiskeythief
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
      eureka!

 whiskeythief
     picoman
     Eenigma
 whiskeythief
     picoman

     glassgirl
     Eenigma
     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
doofenshmirtz

     glassgirl
     PNeilson
      eureka!

 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
doofenshmirtz

     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
     Eenigma
     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
doofenshmirtz
     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
doofenshmirtz
     scupper
     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
doofenshmirtz
 whiskeythief
      Muftee
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
     glassgirl
doofenshmirtz
     PNeilson
     glassgirl
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
doofenshmirtz

 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
        hbert
     farmEEr

     farmEEr
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
     farmEEr
 whiskeythief


     PNeilson
doofenshmirtz
     farmEEr
     farmEEr
     PNeilson
     glassgirl
doofenshmirtz

     PNeilson
 whiskeythief


         larry
doofenshmirtz
 whiskeythief
         larry
doofenshmirtz
 whiskeythief
     glassgirl
         p37




 whiskeythief
     farmEEr
 whiskeythief
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
     glassgirl
 whiskeythief
     glassgirl
         larry

     PNeilson
 whiskeythief

         larry
 whiskeythief
         p37
         larry


 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
 whiskeythief
     PNeilson
        hbert
 whiskeythief
     Eenigma
        hbert
   Eenigma
       EEME

       EEME

        p37
       larry
       EEME




       EEME

   Eenigma
   Eenigma
       EEME




     Liberty
   Eenigma
whiskeythief
   Eenigma
whiskeythief

   Eenigma
     Liberty
whiskeythief
    eestatic

     Liberty
whiskeythief
    eestatic
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

whiskeythief
       EEME




    Ken123
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
    Ken123
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
     ricinro
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

   PNeilson

   PNeilson
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
     ricinro
     Liberty
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
     Liberty
      hbert
     ricinro
whiskeythief
      hbert
     Liberty
     ricinro
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
     InWDC

     Liberty
      hbert
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
       hbert
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
      ricinro
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
       EEME
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
     Liberty
whiskeythief
whiskeythief
     Liberty
 Texas Bear
whiskeythief
       larry
whiskeythief
 Texas Bear
whiskeythief
      ricinro
mikewinssail
       hbert
whiskeythief
 Texas Bear
whiskeythief
       larry
  eestorblog
  dfwrunner
whiskeythief
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
mikewinssail
whiskeythief
     InWDC


      ricinro
   PNeilson
whiskeythief

  eestorblog
     Liberty
       larry
  eestorblog
whiskeythief

   PNeilson
  eestorblog
     Liberty
     Liberty
  eestorblog
     Liberty
  eestorblog
       larry
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
whiskeythief

  eestorblog
   PNeilson
      hbert
   PNeilson
whiskeythief
   colorodo
       larry
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
whiskeythief

   PNeilson
   PNeilson
       larry
whiskeythief
   colorodo
   colorodo
   PNeilson
       larry

   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
      hbert
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
   colorodo
       larry
   PNeilson
   PNeilson
       larry
     DaveM
     DaveM
      DaveM
        Mark
      DaveM
     PNeilson
      DaveM
     PNeilson
      DaveM
     colorodo
     PNeilson
      DaveM

        Mark
     PNeilson
   EEdreamer
   EEdreamer
     colorodo
     PNeilson
   EEdreamer
     PNeilson
   EEdreamer
   EEdreamer

     PNeilson
     colorodo
doofenshmirtz
doofenshmirtz

     PNeilson
        larry
     PNeilson
        larry
     colorodo
     PNeilson
     colorodo

     PNeilson
     PNeilson
     PNeilson

        hbert
     colorodo
     PNeilson
     PNeilson
     eestatic
     PNeilson
     colorodo
        Mark
        larry

      davidg
      davidg
        Mark

     PNeilson
      davidg
doofenshmirtz
     colorodo

    Excessive
doofenshmirtz
      davidg
     PNeilson
     PNeilson
      davidg




     PNeilson
doofenshmirtz

     colorodo
      Ken123
        Mark
     PNeilson
    Excessive
     colorodo
      Ken123
    Excessive
     PNeilson
      Ken123

        Mark

     colorodo
     colorodo
        Mark
        Mark
        Mark

      Liberty
doofenshmirtz
     PNeilson
     PNeilson
      davidg
     PNeilson
      Liberty
      Ken123
        Mark
      davidg
        Mark
      Liberty
        hbert
doofenshmirtz
     colorodo
      DaveM
        Mark
doofenshmirtz
      Liberty
     PNeilson
      davidg

doofenshmirtz
      DaveM
     PNeilson
        Mark
     PNeilson
     PNeilson
        Mark
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No, he got that shit on his own, no source needed.
Or a supplier, or something ridiculous.
Then again, he also thought every person logged in from a company server was a customer of DWs, when the
top three were all less than kind skeptics (yours truly included).
I believe it was with Kofman's arrival and Cott's departure. Around then.
I think so.
Didn't he accurately predict a PR in the past?
What did he say?
He does believe in miracles.
Say it was all your fault for not believing. :)
I think he would just take it out on you.
I think there was more money there, as well. But no dedicated blog. :)
Do you think they will have a press release if they have to close the doors in Cedar Park?
I don't anticipate there ever being a firm reason for any of us to admit we were wrong.
Maybe. That's why they got along so well. Until Weir had his "oh sh*t" moment.
I don't know, he's a stubborn son of a B.
Adding sound into the equation makes for the perfect Rube Goldberg capacitor.
Charge your EESU with a tuning fork
Sonoluminescence! It's perfect.
Maybe DAP can incorporate it into his EESU design.
dunno Tokamak not got that beat already?
so DGD excerpted
"we believe it's an new state of matter because it's an extremely dense plasma - the density is hundreds to
ten thousand times the density they achieve inside nuclear fusion experiments."

To get on the BBC?
This guy did. Probably prematurely.
yes Po
sk.. value on scale 1 to 10?
well if everything is on the up and up. They could claim it a phase in the same sense as the several phases of
ice, if it had unique properties i suppose
No, DGD's "New state of matter" thread.
These are not the droids you are looking for...
already shredded, po
lol
I like how the researcher says that he can't wait to tell his nuclear physics friends about the discovery.
Shouldn't he run it past them before the BBC?
what email?
Well, it isn't very clear. Are they claiming a plasma, which then go through another phase transition to a
higher energy plasma? It seems like a premature conclusion to me. Kind of like the FTL neutrinos.

the smart thing and laying low
<- ignorant wretch
I tend toward the latter
mjt, do you agree with the article or Lens?
sweet dreams.. and thanks for the blog :)
you can blog in your sleep
They say people are now txting in their sleep. It is becoming more common. I gotta go to bed. :-)
yep
There was a context, however.
the term phase is like planet it seems, whatever is convieinent
mister eestor, or something else?
I'm not one at all of course. ummm... BE-Condisate, solid, liquid, gas, plasma.....
"the video"?
No, just trying to figure out how bad a scientist you are. :)
and i realize this blog is "your baby"
mjt, are you defending Len's honor? ;)
I'll post the video at some point
B, can you tell us how many Christmas cards you recieved in 2009?
B, can you say approx... how long ago ,Immelt wished you Happy Holidays...
b, you have kids?
lol
                                                                                                     2008
So, Generic, do you know what a phase of matter is?
^-^
not shut down the site
Don't have one yet
i wanted to know when B would throw it in, and name an heir
It was a Catch-22, obviously.
Well then there is your answer.
mjt there will always be a cadre who cares
so b, honestly, when you first started the blog, when did you think reveal would happen -- approx?

As soon as everyone stops caring, Generic.
That's only because they get to rewrite history to make themselves look better.
when will B throw up his hands and hand over the blog to someone who still cares?
Always have
Historians make better scientists
anyway good night all ....one day closer :-)
Haha mjt
think they've done pretty well piecing together the tree of life...
most historians are horrible historians
B in ten years: "I just don't understand why Weir wouldn't release one little sample to prove Y_Po
wrong!?!?!?"
some more than others....
Scientists are horrible historians.
late night, eh?
hey b
never
no way po
yes, taa.. i needed to add that last line
Lol
B is too smart
B is probably threatening to call Kofman a liar in hopes that he'll spill.
but i kinda doubt it
p37 that is just out of character
and it's hit a boiling point
or it could be that b has been frustrated for quite a while
shut off
DW shut on the tap to the blog several years before Kofman joined.
lol cabbee. interesting thought
And he said "Not really, no one is paying much attention to Zenn anymore except a few kooks on the web."

interesting when i think about it... PN pulls folks one direction, PM pulls them another, Pfuji another, and b yet
another.. Looks to me some folks are getting yanked around a bit.
yeah ....we can turn on the Fox video with the dumb blond for that :-)
I agree taa.. I don't need any more pep talks from Zenn
mabey Kofman said DW i'll shut off leaks at zenn ...You turn of the tap to that blogg theater......

fishy in denmark?
exactly taa
I don't get it
And he said "Why? I don't have anything invested."
why is B screaming about JK not talking and suggesting a whole bunch of empty words for him to say???

lol, mj
And JK said "I don't know what that means."
this whole thing is hollow
this is about eestor. not zenn's place to talk.
i guess putting out PR with 10-10-10 riddles just isn't JK's style
but I like it that B confirms that JK has been informed
and so whatever JK knows, b also knows. but b is pissed that JK isn't talking.. even though b doesn't talk
either?
wow!........... i'm suprised JK is directly communicating with DW ahead of Ian
clearly
B, clearly has Eestor connections
so you're pointing to fact b knows JK has info
nothing
taa, what COULD he do with it?
too
yeah I paused on that one to
This was big: B said:"the simple fact is that JK has the info. yet he's done nothing with it."
everyone has an angle... especially those closely invovled
with latest "attitude"
and I wonder if he's playing a role
comments from b
Sounds like story time is over for the night. Someone put out the campfire I am going to bed. nite.

i seem to recall comments about this being "theater"
sleep with PR in hand
not saying i'm certain, but I've seen tendencies for that M.O.
nite h
Me too. GN all.
so B says JK has the information
I sleep. GN
Wastes
p37 :-)
Po Waists.
Zenn Waits.
We Wait.
taa, i still say there's a decent chance b comes back in couple of weeks with "Muahahaha, I had you guys
going... "
since 2008 I've heard a lot of big plans and feelgood stories from Zenn. They all matter for squat. Eestor and
DW is all that matters.
They wait.
What has LightEVs been doing for the last few years?
Better than no words.
doesn't make sense
why are we so in need of empty words???
good
And If it doesn't pay, I loose money I can afford to lose. But I don't like being treated like, as a shareholder, I
ain't shite. I can stir an awful lot of shite for those few bucks. So a couple of simple answers don't seem like to
much to ask.
ZMC will vanish
Tell me JK is failing to talk to potential partners, OEM's,etc and thats real
it's all up to DW anyway
ok, i'm outta loop on the pinball comments.. is there quick explanation?
B....we have 'followed you for all these years and this language is unusual coming from you
B, I agree - I'd like to hear that type of info from Zenn. I get that. But in the end, even if they said everything
you just suggested, so what? We'd talk about it here for a couple days then go back to waiting on DW.

♫ Grooveshark: Pinball Wizard ♫
b, I wonder about commercialization of the EESU and I don't think anybody can tell me about it except DW. J

your story is moving on b, it sounds like
Frankly, I would have never have bought ZNN, if I could have bought EES.
hbert, what i am saying is begin to wonder now
night mighty drp ;-)
good night Dan
shit if drp is going to bed, what am i doing?
Well if EEStor issues a PR and then we don't hear from JK I will begin to wonder.
nite drp
nite dan
k, nite all! :)
it would be crazy to do so
!!!
... and don't say black
colo, don't cancel anything based on your zenn investment
black
ok, so what color box should the EESU come in?
so?
did I hear that Polarity is hiring?
sure
lol, Lib
my investments in zenn have never changed. my strategy was always that the biggest risk was eestor not
commercializing. if they do, that doesn't guarantee zenn is a success but it is a decent bet.

Damn B, now I'll have to keep that appt. with my client on Monday. I was looking forward to cancelling that.

my bet has been placed for years
Lib, don't bet on it
sounds like this week though, right?
b, I acknowledge that you've done a hell of a lot of work, and made some truly great analytical leaps. But,
you're not addressing my points dude.
When do you expect it then?
i hate all of the stock BS around this story. always have.
i hope I'm wrong but i don't expect a PR on monday.
nicely done, b
This looks bad for investors and caused our stock to tank.
what's your take on the immediate press release b?
B ...lol
Their silence makes it look like they are hiding under their desks.
brokers will tell us what we need to know
listen to some brokers
hey, don't listen to me, ok. I've only been doing this for 4 years. i don't have a good sense of justice. i don't
know many of the players. i haven't uncovered shit no one else could uncover. i'm a nobody. listen to zenn on
all of this.....
HHE, no. "Maximize shareholder value" is not predicated on any particular time frame, wrt Ontarion law.

They wouldn't have to give away secret squirrel stuff either.
HEE, would you sell at three?
let's go, b. we don't want a shit-fer-brains leader.. let's sell
With the right worded PR's zenn could easily be in the 3 dollhair range.
c'mon, who's with me?
by sockpuppet I mean a hidden person pretending
who's with me?
that'll show 'em
we'll make the sp tank
ok, that's it... everybody sell on Monday.
but don't you think PO if he really felt that way, he would simply back out?
B is right, zenn has failed in doing their duty to keep stock value up. Epic fail.
not a leader of the highest calibre? Well, maybe you know some facts I don't so I have to acknowledge that

sure, Po, it definitely occurred to me and it supports my point completely
DW has not been reliable
Why should DW give Zenn their marching orders on how they can keep investors up to date on their doings?

I'm starting to ststutter.
if i was JK I'd wait for DW
I can try to explain if you want me to, but individual life experience and resultant mind sets dictate "grokking"
to some extent....
lol
lol, cards...
hbert, I'm not asking for anything more than a couple of answers to simple questions, that won't violate any
agreement. Yet I don't even get the curtosity of a, " We're sorry, we are unable to answer your question at
this time". Nothing, zero, total silence. Doesn't that ppiss anyone else off?

he seems to me to be a bit of a dope
Maybe DW gave him a very limited lexicon that he could use once he took the reigns.
but i can tell you that he has not proven to be a leader of the highest caliber
he knows we can read smiles
JK is saying to weir, I'm not talking until you talk so there.
i don't think Jk has done anything illegal per se although I can't be certain of it
b, yes I would expect it and ignore it. Y'know?
if he is sitting on it ...better to stay away from any interviews .....his smile would give it away!
b, JK saying that is no different than him not saying anything. you still have to trust him. either way. thiink
about it.
i think it is ridiculous
wt, did you pee?
well, DRP, that's fine if you would follow JK's path but I would be hounding you just the same
Staking his reputation on EESTOR?
explain
hard to eplainj why I would though.....
do we want him to take any risks??
I still would do what JK is doing though :)
what risks should he take?
b, that wouldn't mean jack to real investors
b, ok I grok where you're coming from better now.
BS
that is not fair to investors
he's taken no risk whatsoever and he stands to make millions based on no risk
but has he said anything?
I can cull it. Go back and reread his AGM spiel. Then count the number of claims he made that he has fulfilled.
Like I said, he evn replaced CS with the PIball Wizard's twin sister.
here's what I would say. Zenn investors, you've had one hell of a roller coaster. Outside factors have played a
part. But internal ones are also in play. For a public company, Zenn is in an odd position with their key
supplier being a startup company. Despite all of this, I want you to know that I am still optimistic that EEStor
will come through. I can't guarantee that. But based on my due diligence I'm comfortable saying it."

hbert, yep
good point, h
I don't know what JK could tell me that would be of any help short of saying something that I think would
violate what I think is in the agreement with EEStore.
if I know i've got it ready in one or two months.. why would I even try to release something piddling ahead of
that?
being
b, if they really are sitting on it, that would explain the silence
agree p37. But on the other hand, I don't care how big anyone is, I don't take be screwed over sitting down.

worthless
BS
nothing?
you don't say anything to your investors?
so where is 4) ???
that carrys some weight
if it works out, it works out. if it doesn't, life goes on, and we've enjoyed some time together... koom-bay-ya
:)
to each his own
CS seems to have JK's back.. that\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
low probability, but all we have available to us is to cull the wheat from the (ridiculous amount of) chaff here,
and ascribe probabilities.
b, truthfully that could be the case.
3) so you knock all of that out and wait for EEStor bc they won't tell you when your golden egg might arrive.

hbert, good question.
2) Zenn is totally disconnected from EEStor and you have to shut down Zenn operations.
B, we may not be looking at the same reasons, but the longer the silence, the more I think I smell something
rotten in Toronto.
what are the odds that in a couple of weeks b jumps up and says "BUZZINGA!" ?
facts
taa, if memory serves, we truthfully do not know, explicitly, if ZMC/EEStor relations have warmed since then.
Y'know? LOL The noise floor on this blog is insane and really not conducive to gelling the true state of affairs in
anyone's mind.
I wonder if CS thinks JK not talking is the correct way to handle things.
didn't he say something about helping eestor with finance? Something afoot?
1) you are bigwig and come into the Zenn story due to your credibility and whatever it was that was presented
to you to convince you to put your reputation on the line for such a small company

the framework of my position hasn't changed. it's not complicated.
One sign is CS is gone, and evidently replaced by the Pinball Wizards twin sister.
JK is kissing eestor's ass, and that's a good thing
Real suspicion that he'll sell stockholders out..
Sure his promose of more frequent communication was broken. That sucks. But your anger seems like it has
to have more to it than that. Is there more you can't talk about?
not sure about ypo though
I hate to say it, but I would be loather to do more than he already has, under the circumstances. On the other
hand, what he has already done is also completely consistent with the idea that he is greedy, lacadaisical, and
doesn't give a fuck about anybody. Gotta love the constraints that drive this story ;)

I don't want any merger. And any acquisition screws up the easiest business that could make the kind of
money that ZMC can. Keep it simple stupid.
waiting for Eestor PR
taa, anyone could have regained eestor confidence after that. ypo could have pulled that off.
all decks are cleared
regained Eestor confidence after patent flap
hbert, how could i know that?
b, do you know what J/K promised DW?
but these are before and after skills. i'm solely focused in my criticism on the HERE AND NOW
let's see an eesu first
Nobody knows if he is doing a good job or not, but we do know that he did fix the Zenn leak
b, I understand all that. But if JK can't realistically screw over small shareholders, and his compo package is
1/4 of what Brian Cott's amounted to, why does any comms from JK beyond what he has already done,
matter?
yes, he has M&A experience
let me clarify. he shut down zenn costs. big deal but probably required some competence.
doesn't need to be monthly. quarterly is good, but they were busy straightening things out for the first
quarter. 2nd quarter comes along.. well, wait, just another month or two and we can tell all.. ok, let's sit on it
just a bit more.. MAYBE??
no
B, I sure it would make total sense to me if you spilled a little more. lol
b, not to me, so maybe you have a point.
You can't even get an email question answered, that is not at all intrusive.
so yeah, if you're out there and you believe JK is doing a great job then i do disagree with you and think
you're a fool.
yes, but it's not in your control
I think we have heard enough empty words from Zenn over the years
am i making any sense at all?
What content was in the monthly PRs? Less than we heard before.
that doesn't violate an NDA
8 months, tf, iirc. i'm guessing he had target of 6 months, but if things are close... let a couple more go by

look, i'm not saying JK goes to a podium and delivers a state of the union on EEStor. I'm simply saying, he
gives an interview to someone and says, "I have been around now for 6 months. I know what I am doing. I'm
not confused by what I have inherited and it looks pretty good to me. "

tf, Ontario Superior Court would see one PR per month and conclude that he kept his word.
my radiation cooked turkry for turkeys mmmmmmm
yum
I thought full silence is all DW ever asked of zenn.
i did
microwave more turkey
no
I question where all that shareholder communication he promised went. And all the talk of possible
acquisitions, going after OEM contracts. Great speech at AGM and then as quiet as a church mouse.

have i libeled JK? i just read back and see PF said that.
I've mentioned this before. I've spent about 1,000 hrs/yr on this.
what matters is how you feel about his compensation (miniscule wrt history) and what you think he can
realistically do to screw over the 10,000 mom & po investors (Ontario case law shows that he realistically
can't)
seems to me that B is saying that there are people in Eestor (not DW) who want JK to talk
slow down b.. you're cards are about to show
tahnks again pf.
yes
can DICK make an EESU?
ok drp, i'm listening. what am I missing here?
people are letting hope get in the way of reason
b, I'm not a JK cheerleader, but all that still doesn;t matter
i think that is all complete fucking bullshit
thanks pfuji
and by the way, as you can imagine, I get a shit load of email from people saying, oh, B, you are too harsh. JK
is so great. he's doing a professional job. he's awesome, etc.
nite pf, and thanks
Is it more than that B? You mentioned lack of work making deals, etc?
night
b, all that doesn't really matter
Thanks pfuji
LOL, wasn't that the problem ....Znn was too leaky?
lol, ok p37
g'night thanks pfugi
np lib. night mark. thanks guys. don't let b get too worked up.
But JK would be screwing over shareholders if he sells the company with $50 a share for them, and he makes
a lot more by either a share swap or some kind of commissions.
i'll give you a week, pfuji before I bill you for my latest purchases :)
i was ready the first time i had the idea to fire him
i'm ready to fire him
thank you pfuji
he can't
the answer is no
they are fucking dying for information. so JK comes in with all of this prestige about his M&A background.
dude, can you put together 4 sentences about Zenn and EEStor?
night
anyway. I have to go to bed. g'night all. I hope we all have a very happy monday. either that, or i'll be nailed
to the wall on tuesday. oh well.
you have a ton of people who have been involved with this company for 4 years.
and i'm sure you tried both... just saying
i know everyone thinks. oh, B is just upset because JK won't do an interview with him. that is a joke. i don't
give a shit about interviewing him. i really don't. would i do it? yes, would i be thrilled? no. i really don't care
who gets an interview with him. seriously, i have no desire to get a scoop on this point. the problem i have is
that he has made himself inaccessible.
b, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar
honestly
he's not going to submit to an interview to prevent you from libelling him
agree pfuji
yes b, you're going about this the wrong way
I doubt he cares what you think, B.
thought he was not paid
Gold guys are serious about business, and only the best are in that elite crowd
because he's been a useless overpaid bag of shit since he started at Zenn.
B, are you saying that JK's action is not in the best interest of the shareholders?
sitting on BoD of Argonaut... he knows how to play the game.
and he's not going to be an idiot and screw over all of zenn's shareholders by breaking the contract with
EESTor in any way, shape or form
Has Taylor tried?
ridiculous
ridiculous that a CEO could be at a company for over 6 months and never submit to an interview to anyone--
not just me but anyone---give me a fucking break
but my interpretation of what you've said so far, and JK's actions, is that he's following his contracts with
EEStor to the letter
don't let JK off the hook. don't give him a free pass.
DW releases a PR and he doesn't need a dime that JK can raise.
B, if you have info that would change my mind, feel free to pass it along. I can hold my tongue, i've proven
that to you in the past
The whole point I was trying to make is DW holds the axe and he can cut out anybody he decides doesn't fit
his ideal for any entity that wants to get their hands on the EESU. So if JK tries to hard to usurp IC, he may
find he's expendable in DW's world.
B, surely this has all to do with timing
agree with p37
JK's hands have to be tied by NDA, and by avoiding pissing off DW
here's the thing we've been dealing with for 4 years
every parent is interested in securing future for kids
no it doesn't mip.
pf, thanks very much for your obviously extensive efforts, and for sharing same. Very few here have put in
that much work and disseminated it. B, tf, wasm, Een, Eddie, me, a few others. Respect.

for his kids, it does
money always matters
money doesn't matter
if you are in EEStor and are not DW, you have to wonder what does DW get....in the end from all of this

is this primary information beyond that announcement on the options?
so you are implying that JK has info about big news from EEStor, but isn't talking about it to anyone

DRP, it is a good point to reflect on. definitely.
b, you haven't been real easy to read lately, imo
jk is damned if he does, damned if he doesnt
b, DW is determined to get wgat HE wants out of life. Relating to that, as a 50 year old, is difficult enough but
I can put myself in my dad's shoes. Have you tried to do that wrt an overachieving grandfathr?

what info are you referring to then?
when i went bonkers after the new stock options announcements....that should have been a clue

ok, so JK is tight-lipped
i have let you in the loop
and i'm not talking about znn
we can't make any judgements about JK until you let us into the loop
who gives a shit about firing everyone and pointing out what people on this blog were saying years ago

b, idiots don't sit on board of gold mines
B, you've got info about the info that we didn't evne know existed until now
granted, he shut down Zenn. big fucking deal.
pf, ok
he's doing everything that an idiot would do in that position
78 year old overachievers do not give a flying fuck about anything else. Recalibrate.
yeah drp, i get that human connection bit.
the simple fact is that JK has the info. yet he's done nothing with it. won't report to shareholders. won't go out
and strike new deals or partnerships. to me, he seems like a deer in the headlights.

DRP, I mean not in the decision making loop. But maybe I read pf's meaning incorrectly.
thanks for wrapping up page6, pfuji
;-)
okay, cool. i just don't like it when my giant ego gets bruised, is all.
If this Black Swan is true (wrt claims), that is what this is.
no one does except for funding need
One ring to rule them all.
not about "cut", it's about primary influence predicated on friendship and loyalty and a sense of indebtedness.
It's human. Capich?
they definitely dont
i don't know if anyone really has infulence over eestor
don't be offended
i'm not arguing with you pf. i appreciate your input. i'm simply pointing out that it is false
DUCK!
b, i'm not going to get in an arguement about who's got the better info. i'm just telling what I know. sorry
you're not the only one to provide info to this blog
If they have a mutual affection for each other, IC will never be cut from the herd.
p37 yes
didn't DW help Ian with the coup?
so, would it be IC is smart enough to let the business men handle "business"?
ok, but whqat do you two think that means wrt influence?
of course DW loves IC and vice versa
I do, but i think he's patched things up so that the zenn/eestor relationship can move forward now

no more than you'd be an insider trading now. just rumours
pf, b, so you don't give as much weight to DW/IC history?
not insider trades storm
If IC is completely on the outside, we may get screwed. Bad vibe.
i know the acronym, i was asking if that's who you were referring to when you said 'he's"
pfuji If you can spot 700K purchases, can feds trace it to insider?
p37, i think b might be right. I think ian may find himself on the outside regarding everything
shut up po
james kofman
we agree to disagree about that B
pfuji, any chance you can elaborate on "Ian apparently is now finding himself somewhat on the outside of
things, with regards to ZENN operations."
JK?
i dont
they apparently trust him
interesting. that would actually make sense of my sources actual words. my interpretation was off then

Pfuji--is this speculation based on some facts or pure speculation
i think he's there to stroke the Weirs' ego which he seems to be doing well
IC will always be in the mix but JK is in the lead.
TYVM pf, greatly appreciated.
any idea about the pr?
your source is wrong about the roles that IC & JK are playing these days. JK is leading the EEStor rltnshp
effort.
sounds bad, wait till last minute before running out of money
keep it quick too. i gtg to bed very soon
yw all..
thx for your take pfuji
just throw in my standard disclaimer first
i can take it. lay it on me.
brovo! encore!
go easy, b
yup
there is a lot of smoke. the bottom line for me is that DW "has no flexibility to wait until january"

ok. all done?
600 - 700k, and in a smart, quiet way, not like paradigm
B, I see you have #1. :)
the only other thing I have is that another broker has been busy buying up shares for clients since labour day

but....
pf, that's a very human take, and therefore rather brilliant LOL
Right time would be on time
Fibbs hart just skipped a beat and wt let out a little pee.
meh. we'll see if that pans out on monday.
he needs money, and soon (so I believe) but he can wait the extra few days so he can enjoy the holiday with
his family
b :-)
if I were him, I'd have one last nice long weekend, then let it loose on monday.
ok thx
So the foreign markets wouldn't get a jump.
k
almost done
he's going to be fielding calls from every corner of the earth, and dealing with so much crap
pf, are you almost done? or tons more to go?
but why would he plan to release a PR, then turn off the lights, and walk away for four days for the T-day
weekend?
this is assuming that things went crazy because someone knew he was going to release somnething this week
or next
okay, so DW has a pr in hand, things go crazy, everyone is expecting a pr on tuesday, or wednesday

ok, sorry, i'm listening
it's really just things i've missed from the other pages, and one last bit of page 6
pf, 90% probability, yep
you're typing slower tonight pfuji.. spill gravy on page 6?
basically, DW has a PR in hand, but waiting for the right time
likes :)
DRP like odd
But no where near the number of Aussies. muhahahahaha1 Hi Mark. :)
this is a bit odd and i'm not entirely clear on the thinking, but i'll try my best
ciouple ... muhahahahaha
and is wholly speculation, though not my own
or at least one
3) couple of dumb yanks out there
this is about his PR timing decision
actulaly, strike that..
ah... a little more about timing of DW needing money
yes
The who could tell volumes.
a little maybe
you've probably got more info that me on that.
pf do not underestimate the intel value of knowing who the large players are, Can or USA
for all I know, i could be being used to get that info out here, so those couple of people are aware that
someone is onto them
that's slightly more useful info
the couple of likely sellers, they are placed in the states
yes
wait, take out that thing about 12 people/funds in the states, and replace it with 12 people/funds in total

that's kinda just fun to know info, not useful in any way I can tell
i don't know who they are, i don't even know who the 12 were to begin with.
as of about a year ago, there were only likely about 12 people/funds/whatever in the states that had positions
that were that large. (700-800k range), it makes it more difficult to pin them down, because the stock has
been so low for so long that it is possible someone built up a position like that over a period of time, but the
most likely list of sellers is down to a couple of people

.
Shut up PO you moron.
or dump, if you will
okay, about the MS trades
2) JK is MFIC
tanks
okay, back to reporting
you're behind b, dan
will do.
Time will tell.
pf, sorry, let me know when you're finished?
JK has the reins, and that's a very good thing for the company.
yes :)
my personal view is that Ian has been given the job of keeping the peace with EEStor, and keeping the lines of
communication open, but nothing more
So my personal interpretation of this is that JK managed to convince Ian that while his vision for the company,
and his efforts in getting the EEStor agreements done were what made the company what it is today, he isn't
what it needs to go forward
:-)
Lib,yes please (sorry Po :)
ah, reality appears suddenly, eh p37? good for you.
P37, B's number is 36 lower than yours. LOL.
j/k, don't bane me :)
shut off pobot
:)
take a number, b
ok go
yes
pf, i don't want to interrupt you. are you still going?
IC is both farther and yet closer
;-)
rearranging pencils on the desk
or deals
and he won't be making major policy decisions either
so IC is maybe even farther out of the loop than he was with Cott?
but what I think is that once AHBL, ian won't be driving the ship
pf - good/bad, no I believe it's good
B, i think you're right, there is basically nothing going on at ZENN right now.
BC also tried to patent uses for ESSU, DW did not like that.
agreed bc
what operations?
yes, BC as a pit bull was useful, but only if kept on a short leash. I suspect that RM did not allow IC to keep
him on a short leash.
This is a bit of good/bad news to me, in my own personal assessment
I think what this means is that Ian is no longer involved in any significant way in the day-to-day operations of
Zenn.
so it fits
me too Dan.
I talked about that a lot in the last AGM report
That is good new if things are mended.
ZENN and EEStor are back on good terms with each other. The word on the street before was that DW had
started to refuse to talk to Brian Cott, and that's why things got bad
my sense is that IC and DW have always been sympatico from day one
he has done that
yes
in a sec p37
Ian was brought back into the board in order to mend the relatinoship with the weirs and EESTor

question?
Ian apparently is now finding himself somewhat on the outside of things, with regards to ZENN operations. I'm
not entirely clear what that means, but it's related to the next point
got it
1) loose lips sink ships
next item
Jim Kofman has done his job wrt to locking down the place
the board is comprised of people who know and understand that things shouldn't be discussed with outsiders
for any reason
no wonder b doesn't like JK ;)
expect
but now that Rick and brian are gone, and the place has been pared down, we've gone into as close to a full
hibernation/isolation state as we can
apparently, it used to be relatively easy to get information out of the company from a high level (on both the
requester and provider side)
p37, yeah :) and yes, agreed let let pf finish, I'l shut up too
yeah
locked down, as in leaks, correct?
he did a great job of paring the company down to the required minimum
hey drp. wish i'd had time to lok you up when I was in BC. but i'll hold off til pfuji finishes up.
hey p37 :)
first, is that ZENN has been basically locked down by Jim Kofman
drp, you sarcastic bassturd
6! \o/ !! :)
only a few small points
lol
okay page 6...
i REALLY gotta watch that. wtf is wrong with me?
i'm game for page6.. been an interesting story so far, pfuji.
not at all. I read it as being quite complementary
yeah, me too :)
I hope I get a chance to meet you sometime
sorry
wait, that read back as kind of patronizing....
:-) thanks Dan, I appreciate that.
but nice pumpers
Fuji, "ignoring: is a skill. I think you have the intellectual and emotional chops for that. Truly do. I appreciate
your obvious efforts to contribute.
I've got page 6 here though
dfw
assuming that is a good way to stay safe and sane around here.
youre all just pumpers
I haven't had any contact since wed, so info to change my mind about it. nothing to reinforce it either

fuj, still think a pr is coming? just curious
:-)
I'm gonna keep this quick, before taylor shows up and accuses me of being a pumper again
fuji my man
Evening all.
ff?
ah, ok
restarted browser
ah back to normal
testes
test
cell phone
dfw, is your PC's processor bogged down right now? Virus scan, HD video, etc?
dunno 'bout others, but I'm good (Win 7 Home Premium, FireFox)
yep, all good here
am i only one with doulbles?
pool is clean, but 32 degrees might be a bit cold
thanks Dan
not yet dfw, ask me again yesterday... I mean tomorrow
dfw, maybe you're drunk ;)
has time reversed?
das ist gut
why the double posts?
ca va bien
hi sk, que pasa?
DaveM, hella good message. I think everyone should watch the whole vid once a day for 6 months :)

hi mr plante
lol
I think I broke my F9 key hitting refresh
b, forward it to me too? I'm curious.
well then
ok
you are throwing it all in the bucket b
Sk, I will forward it to you. Chk email
not directly to you
or was this 3rd hand?
well if what they sent you was BS
b, i think you are pagemanning now
I'm not following you sk
please feel free to privublish them to me :)
someone is stealing his prius po
Interesting. Wonder whether they're playing you B, or clueless about what DW wants?
That makes them privublic
gtg
Emails to me
are you referring to things they've said publicly or non public leaks? :)
interesting lockdown timing b
It was on "i can confirm that some info coming from eestor' employees is BS"
Question sk?
my point sk
But then if he was telling them stuff, Cormack would say the same thing
well played
Gift of locking down the site
B, it shows a high level of professionalism
a=at
or do you have friends a cormack b?
could cormack just say that as an obvious cya comment?
I doubt she meant eestor related
probably things zenn said which signified change in direction but no one really interpreted correctly

According to cormack
no offense B, I definitely want to read yours too
Betty better write a book too
IC better write a book
I'd love to hear an example of what CS meant when she said that the cadre missed obvious and awesome shit
and focussed on nothing instead.
Po, you are more honest than Putin
interesting that JK won't talk to Cormark.... according to B
we are all conspiracy theorists,obsesssed and trappped in our own little energy storage world...Myself
included.
j/k
sully might be the connection.
I believe this story has connections to JFK ;) or at least it should
not everything is meaningful or significant
true lib
"it's all working" could have meant it was easy to pee that day
the umbrella man....a good lesson in investigations
dave lol
required viewing for all eestory addicts.
BUT.... DW has a problem with stopping the tinkering

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2011/11/21/opini...
I think you can take "it's all working" to the bank.
"technological wall" is material according to IC
JK would not get involved, nor AG, if DW was floundering with no success.
DW has frustrated the hell out his team from the sounds of it and maybe vice versa, BUT nobody has left and
blown any kind of whistle. thub's weir was out all along.... and probably fos

just saying, ahbl could go either way
lib?
that was the first "divorce" I think.... second was sandia/afrl demo pull
back up to $.31
shot right past $.29
that's what I was wondering if B meant the public DW/TW things or if he had some other little sources going

original nickel glass job
gasoline!
they went for 13x you dummy
1x
po, that eesu was just a 2x ED
yes
time flies
lol
then yes you are right
may or may not have been the dielectric, but something was wrong
cracking
the relative talked to thub in 2009?
then $0.39
*rework
he had to go back and reqork stuff
the black sheep brother thub said there was a problem with dielectric.
then in 11 we get it's all working
back to $.49
said they were having trouble and would be a few years. that was back in '09
I believe DW.... all of 2011 it's been ALL working
no he wasn't.
in the end
although he was not an employee
The relative talking to thub was dead right
sk, the relative talking to thub....
B, I presume you don't want to expand on that?
sk that's a weird one
sk what do you think
  eestorblog wrote:
  i can confirm that some info coming from eestor' employees is BS
aghgghaghghghghg
just decide now so you have a plan if it happens fibb
then back to $34
one day we are $40 then next $48...... aghghghghghgh
Fibb, I'm reading back on last night
stressful in it's own right
deciding when to sell is a nice problem to have but..... lol\
no roller coaster=no fun
now you're being a weenie
a flurry of PR's
not = no
When reveal happens I hope we have not opportunity to even turn around before JK says blam!

hope that dw shows his contraption before he dies
sully is securing his buried treasure off the pacific bottom
I know a lot here are hoping that JK says "blam, that's your price!"
Where is sully btw
I hope I have either the patience to not sell too early or hopefully JK makes the decision for me.

but when it comes down to it, I have more than enough if things work out the way they should
i bet more here envy you
double, or triple what I have
I envy those with more shares than I have.
then i will never have enough po
oi! I might have to play 3 soccer games tomorrow. I'm almost twice as old as most of them out there.
University intramurals.
I have faith in DW's own words and I think this story will have a happy ending BUT not necessarily right now

po, what is enough?
i think the cadre is chill
Have faith brother.
the cadre is being jerked around yet again
I wrote it for the cadre and myself.
brokers are pump and dumping..... get the sp up so they can unload stock before end of the year.

you wrote that for yourself
despite sully saying the same thing, despite immelt telling B "happy holidays", despite G agreeing with pfuji,
despite what wasm said last night, despite the stock activity, despite CS showing up in chat, despite PN
getting played...... I think it is all a bullshit. We're being pagemanned. Nothing is going to happen

i think it has already started po
pr monday
something is going on
I'm sure it's just like many other times... and nothing is going to happen.
so I'm being very guarded with my hope-up-ed-ness
cause it hurts us lol
it should hurt people more that fuck up like that
didn't hurt dfw and tesla and pn and others who have done the same. dfw was faking iirc.
he was fired up
maybe two words
yes he did
insert a word in there to fix that sentence
I was just thinking that pfuji really put himself out on a limb a monday reveal prediction.
don't buy lexus if move to third world country like russia
note to self
get a ghetto blaster to make engine noise
I should badge it up like a versa so to not attract attention
I bet the leaf would be worthy of stealing though.
I'm sure it's the cheapest - you're right po. Russian fobs, I've heard, are the best
shitpiece, the best insurance
I'm sure "they" wouldn't bother.
no fob... no driving baby
fob has to be in the car for the car to "start" yes
po is just acting the skeptic. he looks forward to the reveal
po what?
po, are you scared most of the time?
drp you there?
if they have fancy equipment maybe, but nobody would waste their time on an old prius
no po.... immobilizer.. no chip, no car start-age
locking the car is easy. just push a button on the outside of the car door handle
po, yeah even on old ones. mine is 2004. it's called smart key system.
my ford is fobless
if i keep the fob nice and warm in my pants pocket... it works
except my fob's battery is weak. when I curl, my fob gets cold and doesn't work. I have to pull out the little
key and do it old school.
I love that on the prius. car is unlocked by putting your hand on the door handle.
that would be showing off.... these new fangled fobs never have to come out of your pocket. doors unlock
automatically and you don't even need to push a button on them.
if you are not going to give them a ride, might as well show them a nice fob
hoping JK can get us $50+. then I'm all set, any less and I keep the back and shoulder hair!
accessorizing my fob up for shizzles
yes lib
I paid 3.40 for that coffee lol
sexy custom leaf fob
fuck it I'm not getting another drink
complete with new fob
SK, somebody built a castle about 10 miles from my house
then I slip the nissan dealer a couple large to get my leaf here early.
then a new fob
All I want is a castle
tell them you are an eestory bloggger for effect
then laser eye surgery
after reveal, back hair is gone! first thing I'm going to do
LMAO
prius fob isn't that impressive ;)
maybe after the reveal, I'll stand a little taller and smile more
show them all your car keys
they don't dig me.
mig them
some sweet babes here
lol
which po are you?
not sure... I never go to starbucks and I always look for the biggest cup
so, why not large and largest?
grande I think
po, if I threatened you to take me off the list, do you think I would answer that question now?
what is a large?
largest
is that a large?
I've been sitting here a long time.... kinda feel obligated to get another drink. I just killed my venti.

I don't smell smoke yet
I think it might be scortching the table as I type this
i was going to say, tablet, maybe
hot as hell
kind of a hybrid tweaker cruncher
it's a 3+ year vista crappola machine.... might be doing me a favour if they take it.
they are crunchy
are starbuck clientel shady...... ? can I leave my laptop at my table while I go for another coffee?

po, last night was good.... check out B's chat spillage
po.... not really
doubt it
fibb, pr monday
what did you learn?
starbucks
as usual, I was chuckling quite a bit in public.
the americano helped
go fibb go
I just read 10 hours of chat in 1.2 hours
I do admit that your grammar has improved since you have been on this site
Y_PO - that women from Belarus I was talking about teaches english to Russians. Maybe you could use some
proper grammar skills
we are boys
bless you Y_Po, God loves you. Heaven only knows why:)
PO- you are such the antithesis of Saint TERESE
B, we could all use that reminder
My code that flew was inlined low level optimization for compilers for the most part. Heck, inlining is mostly
gone as a compiler option nowadays.
Larry I have a picture of her on my wall beside my desk. It is there to remind me what an asshole I am.

All new game now. The stuff we did has no bearing on the stuff used now. Chips are too fast for our kind of
low level optimization to be valuable.
Here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thérèse_of_Lisieux
I did a bunch of embedded programming a couple decades ago. Signal processing for the most part. I may still
have code in space now, but I kinda doubt it. I had code in the shuttle and in satellites, but the days of the
1750 are gone.
B, she died at 24
St Therese set out to make herself and her life become a flower to Jesus. I think the idea to do this occurred
when she was young.
BigMig- Y_Po is not a giving type of person. He is rather self centered
sorry, compressive sensing?
just googled, both little flower and little way
BM you mess around in CS?
Pageman's car hovers 18inches over the highway. Easy.
have you written any routines yet to do adaptive FT and wavelets like a Best Basis algorithm? I'm trying
to avoid writing yet another incarnation of something that has been coded lots of times and lookup the math
lib to search for handles to the FT calls, etc...
'flower' or 'ways' , B?
:-)
How much does he drink?
Read that and you will understand somewhat, Mt
Mt was inspired by therese of the little flower. Great autobiography.
Shhhhhhh its a secret and we can't tell ya.
I love Mt
Um, let me see here. Pageman drives a late model car with a laptop on a coat...tuned into chat. Hhm. No
offense, but on top of this he is a genius.
and Brer PN.
We never ban a mother!
Sometimes I confuse myself. ;>)
I don't think ya ever have been mad at me, sometimes I confuse ya.
get a room, geez :)
I love you actually
I did it with my little hachet. I chopped down that damn tree!
I've never been mad at you tb
it's ban-gate :)
Me neither, they are saints for putting up with us.
Who dunnit?
I know I wouldn't want their job
Sometimes it happens when ya change from locked to unlocked. Donp't get you undies in a wad.

sounds like a murderator conspiricy
ok thanks
yes. he is.
I don't think wasm is a moderator
wasm later crucified pm; could it be?
wasm is a murderator?
thats right , I forgot about the old bret myster
bret and wasm
is bret a murderator?
what? what? I'm still here?
just akin
jimp, thanks, I need that
Oh well, stuff happens.
larry you were banned?
whoever did it should man up and admit it :)
It may be one of them also
nekote, eddie, TV
remember there is more than one moderator
lol
Ahhhhh stop whinning, the same thing happened to me and had to send B an email so nekote could redo me.
Oh wait maybe b was mad at me too
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Anti- How are things in New Zealand?
i have to put the chicken in real quick, no pagemanning
tagged
LOL
there you go B. Turn the site into a dating site until the reveal
wrestle mania!
Ok I gotta go. I'm tagging doofy in. Doofy vs pm til pn tags in
Hey Po, My cousin has friend from Belarus, Ukraine that now lives in Boston. You want me to set something up
for date?
I'm jk
Or also when I ban randomly
no body move
Except when I get even mildly annoyed in the smallest way about the tiniest infraction
Ok I am back
excessive did pm email you that monologue?
thats it I quit!
except for politics. Thank
what? what! b is not GOD?
maybe you are hacked
this is a free speech zone my friends
I didn't bam pm or pn recently. I didnt change anyone's password
unconscious telepathic projection
how many times is pm going to get his hat handed to him before someone decides it has lice and burns it?

you may have done something through osmosis
lol b
what did I do?
I didn't do anything
good morning PO
i went to the moon a million times
Delay because Po working out which time zone I think he is in
Early morning for yo Po had breakfast yet
who turned you on po?
hey po
So he know's the bottom of the iceberg
zenn is up!!!
grizz had a movement off the bottom
somebody squeezed their shorts
Were we expecting an apocalypse
oh, we all survived the end of the world, whew
y_po coined the term pagemanning, then b beat him up a bit, pn came off a banning and sleuthy password
change and said, prolly won't see pageman, and excessive vouched for him again

Did pageman get banned?
what happened to pageman?
ahhhh 20 miles to home..........
seems like b is throwing rocks at trees to see what falls out.
low profile
yay, were saved, just in the nick of time
dfw, what are the birdies like this time of year?
still here dfw
ahhhhhhhhhh
the plot thickens
30 secs to end of world
It's B's house. If he want's to clear the air space he does.
enjoy, PN. gtg as well. later
Later PN. Would love to hear the rest of that story.
why were you banned?
Wife places food in front of me - I guess she expects me to eat
If I extrapolate how I have been told DW runs his shop - it is worse than troubling
I enjoy having PN around. I think he has a lot to offer.
You've done more than most here can understand.
Understand. You don't have to prove anything to anyone here.
or was unsure
and B did not seem to know the motivation behind it..
Exc - time is fleeting
And you are a lot of fun.
yup. found that interesting as well.
PN has been taking a lot of abuse as well. I'd hate to see you go PN. I value your input.
But the no show to Sandia/AFRL is also very troubling
Wrapped way too tight I am
Eddie - I only know how to over react!
I wouldn't take it too seriously.......yet. :)
DW got an F in that area too
lol
I don't mess with well - Play well with others was always a sore spot on my report card
I would bet he is just messing with you, pn.
This is about Pageman99
Could be we have seen the last of PM for a while. Don't know what you folks think of me but I think a lot of
PM. Only met him once. He was traveling from PA to Georgia to assist a friend with a problem. (some plant in
Georgia) He drove to the plant. Worked all night and started home the next morning. Made it to a rest stop in
South Carolina and slept for a couple of hours. Then back on the road. I talked to him five or six times on the
phone and in chat here as he drove. I talked him into stopping for a visit. He arrived just before noon. I
invited him in the house to meet the wife. He was very gracious and apologized for how he looked. (he looked
like crap as you can imagine) We then got in my pontoon boat and rode across the cove to a nice restaurant
with water access. (North Harbor Club, Davidson NC) We sat and talked for over two hours. We then rode
back to the house. I asked him how he was posting and driving. His car (older model with a bunch of miles)
has a center console. His laptop was sitting on the console on a coat or something. It was about the position
you see in squad cars only a little lower. He is a touch typist and types with both hands while driving with his
knees on straight section of the interstate. Kinda like we used to do as kids with one arm out the window, one
around our girl while she shifted gears. No big deal. In person he is the perfect gentleman. He's not like most
Somehow I don't expect to see PM around for a while too
So like I said - I can take a hint
lol
huh.
LOL - unbaned with a changed password - is that unbaned or crafty
your were unbaned within minutes, pn
Could be worse. You could find after you've been un-baned that you are told you can't use the same login
name, your old posts have been preserved under an "archived" screen name, so you can't edit them.

So I refused to Email b - I went in a different direction
b has migged a few people lately
I thought I heard "password trouble"... .... guess it was :)
my password is too trivial to forget
B loves to play......
No - LOL
oh now, b loves all his children
I thot you forgot it.
Yes
really?
c'mon
I can take a hint
I had to appeal to a authority to get my password back - after I was un-baned
b's having microwaved turkey
well crafted
Lies - all Lies
your stories are outsanding, pipster.
didn't catch that
My pre announced made up stories are lies
Then I will probably leave the story - B want's me gone
ive been looking from the comfort of my sofa
I would suggest on sell down enough to cover your initial
Shere Khaan continue down a path to bitter resentment and bicker amonst ourselves while various people
yank our chains....lol
good to hear :)
The 2 degree of separation report - is working the story this weekend
i've been looking
I wonder too, PN
I will probably sell half on the spike
I wonder how the search for the EESU in the wild is going?
If DW shows a working EESU, the stock is gonna spike a lot higher than $5, that's for sure.
DW needs cash according to most involved
and you know (on balance) that there are working eesu's out there
I think I will wait - LOL
heh, you know DW just has to show a working eesu for the stock to hit at least $5 again
LOL! Mr. Sweetness and Light today.
just pr monday
I was thinking more along the lines of selling a bit of stock before its too late
that was easy
continue down a path to bitter resentment and bicker amonst ourselves while various people yank our chains

After there is no reveal on Monday - what do we all do?
so cool, going to be a jurassic park 4
does that mean it's monday?
it exists for my mind
ttime does not exist
Time is an illusion
time is also faster in your dreams
time is faster in syfyland
tic toc
down to 10 hours
look, bill300
cool, theres a new pyramid in maine, ill have to go check it out
your wife doesn't know?
I welcome our new Stonehendge overlords if they will save from having to explain to my wife my ZNN
investment
i can't believe fibb is chatted out
ya, the purplbacteria are doing greate
we'll see it 'from the other side' :)
just not our life, eh?
someone butt dial him
its a new start for life on earth, on the bright side
get dw on the line
the ultimate penalty for a missed deadline... the world ends
i guess we are all rich?
suxx
that really sixs
so we all die before the stock market opens
no, dw had his chance, he missed it
it was all for naught
alas no monday PR after all
not in pacific time zone
so there will be no monday?
k
I'll be asleep, wake me
30hours and were all dead
I thought that was the pyramids
dfw, will it coincide with the end of the Mayan calendar?
bastards
the original civilization that terreformed the earth forgot to turn it off
and a 22 Marlin auto for plinking
i have a .177 daisy 500 round capacity squirrel plinker
make it count
at 7mm you are slinging more then me
I have a BAR 7mmRemingtom mag, does that count?
any reason they waited 500+ years
syfy
it's about time
cool
stonehenge is going to destroy the world
Colt makes the real AR-15s, there are others that copy
idk
I think he has a Stag, Is that a brand
match grade with bull barrell
I have Colt Match Target AR-15 HBAR A2 .223
He had some laser tactial site on it wth 3x mag. seemed too easy
I won't deny the AR15 wa hot sheeet.
only about 3x muzzle velocity
"a lot more" is a bit of an understaement
PR Monday!!!
like saying i am the same size as Ron jeremy
.223 with a LOT more gunpowder than at .22 LR
lol
lol
same size as the .22
shock wave
the bullet breaks the sound barrier
absolutely
and you didn't just hear it. you felt it in your core'
That is the one sensation I took away from the range wa how load it wa
makes a shotgun sound like a pizza fart
My AR15 is LOUD
I have a .22 Mossberg that is that old, it was my mother's gun. I gave it to my daughter, it's hers, but she did
not accept the gift. she does'nt want it. yet.
I kept getting hit with hot brass
my friend was shooting an AR15 next to me. I could barely tell when the 22 rnd went off
sorry
LR
LR?
22 RL, competition rifle circa 1945
ok, cool.
5 round mag or single shot depending. Bolt action
single shot?
no
is it semi auto?
ok
number 2, any gun shop has the catalogs to find what matches that gun
too late for that
number one, have a gun shop check that gun out before you fire it.
iron peep sites are ok but my eys aint so good
shot
any suggestions. I hot it for the first time in 20 yrs yesterday
i am a gun newbie. I have a 50 yr old remington target master 22, that y mom used to compete with in
college back in the 40's . I am looking to get a scope for it for the range
With very few exceptions, the exact same deadly force laws apply to me as apply to law enforcement.

No You have to holler "take a time out!"
the important part of the Texas deadly force laws is this, and it is simple and it is IMOPORTANT

unplugged, yes, in texas, you do have to say stop before shooting and unarmed 3 yr old.
wut?
gun question
WT you still around
a book just came out about it, and Robert Wagner guest starred on some popular tv show; all around the
same time. hmmmmmmmmm. doh.
Switchup again, anyone following the Volvo round the world ocean race.
dont wait up.
yes she was but nobody gave it a 2nd thought for 20 yrs and then bam, reopen the case and 3 days later, hey
buy your box set here
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, kiss my ass, kiss his ass....
Ok im off to watch Christmas Vacation again. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Kiss my ass, kiss his ass....

random thought of the day
thas's all i got
she was hot
wow
i mean its ben 30 yrs alrady.. WHo gives a F*
inquiring minds want to know
sorry to take this riveting conversation on snow, school buses and cheating death on a non sequiter. BUT
anyone else find it odd they decide to open the 30 year old case of the death of Natalie Woods a week before
the release of the West Side Story 50 year anniverrary edition
Players can kiss my lilly white crack.
I only care for the poor shmos who sell t shirts and hotdogs.
Does anyone care the NBA lockout is over?
3d video game in a unit the size of a couple decks of card. I had pick up sticks at his age.
My son is playing with his 3DS. He just took my picture and is now shooting my face. He thinks this is great
fun.
I got yer meaning
need to get it delivered
considering how i spelled annnnnonmypusss
step 12 could be dangerous at this point
I am starting at step one again
i am currently on step 5
sounds like a plan
and repeat step 1 to 11
step 12, buy more booze?
check
they are dumb
steps 1 - 11 should be, drink heavily
Armadillos - though I've never met one - seem pretty damn stupid.
we need 12 steps
i want to start a eestor annonomyous support group
PR on Monday!
Moose are dumber than a sack of hammers
they know "I'm a Grizzly bitch."
i used to be able handle 2 days with no expectations of eestor news. but this 4 day turkey day weekend is
stressing me out
Foxes are just plain sly.
Grizzlies only know "I am Number One" and nobody argues with them.
Moose cant count but they are pretty good at spelling
In those days they did not plow. Just packed it down
specially Grizzlies
as opposed to bear who are very good with math
she would watch us so we all went to the back of the bus and then some of us came out the other side. bus
drivers are like deer, they can't count
oh year. School bumper shagging was the best. Usually a 65 year old woman driving who aint gonna chase
anybody down.
kids those days
waiting for some unsuspecting driver to come along and surf the plowed streets hangin on to their bumper

we did it to the school bus and INFURIATED the bus driver
we called it bumper skeetching
:)
me too.
yeah. and didnt know any better. Nothing seems dangerous or crazy when your 18.
well, I still am.
It really didn't seem dangerous because we were stong and limber
crazy shit. Should be dead twice over.
the passenger switches in and out in this trick
of course.
to be clear, he was the driver.
lol
while they switched drivers. in a volkswagon beetle
one of my high school buddies hung out the car window by his legs, upside down with a baseball bat to hit
mail boxes.
I can remember bombing down country roads hanging out the back window of the station wagon as my only
slightly less intoxicated buddy drove. Thinking it was all great fun...and it was but I should be dead.

not skiing with skis, but holding onto the window frame and door handles and skiing in shoes or boots.

I ask myself that alot. Makes me ascared when I think about the crap my kids will get into.
I don't know how in hell I am still alive.
and I kept driving.
Then I came back in the window to the drivers seat without ever dropping below 45 mph
probaby seemed like a good idea at the time...and considering you are still alive good for you!

Passenger slipped in and took the wheel.
I once climbed out the window of my 1968 chevell to hold the window and ski - while I was driving.

yes
ever "bumper shag"? Incredibly fun and stupid all rolled into one.
From driving in snow, I sure knew how to control a skid.
even with the economy in the shitter you guys are looking for life on mars. I applaud you for that.

I couldn't afford snow tires when I was in college there, but I knew they would have helped a lot.

This is cool: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/10930...
lol
i want a snow covered vent pic this year
I learned to drive in snow
yes. they do.
snow tires help a lot. I grew up in Michigan.
Every time it snows its like the first time 90% of the drivers have ever seen it...or seems that way.

You would think in a cold climate like here people would have some experience driving in snow. Not the case.

even eestor?
I could deal with that.
all the wintery days added to together over the season totals about 2 weeks
1/2" or less happens almost every year and shuts everything down.
we have about 2 weeks of winter every year, but the winter days are not consecutive
nice. Shuts down the city I imagine.
sure, on average once every 10 years we get 6" or more
WT, do you EVER see snow in your hood?
got the snow tires on the car today. Hoping I dont need them anytime soon but I am ready just in case.
keep it in 1st gear
anyway...I am sitting in a chair with wheels but I do not plan on driving it anywhere
I think it was een that partied with BM? That would be fun.
bill murray got one for driving a golf cart no?
i know a guy that got dui on a backhoe
Yukon drove his 4WD to the store to get a refill
whos walking?
you can still walk straight yukon?
oh oh...glass is empty again...hang on
microwaved turkey....mmmm....
all those PRs have their own cadre that is having their own celebration.
i'd be happy with a pet rock pr
yup just read marketwire
i am sure some sort of pr will be released somewhere
one of the funniest things Y_Po ever said.
DW is going to release permittivity PR again
is there going to be one?
you bet i am
ready for pr monday b?
g
sorry, not a stir fry. a fried rice. big difference
only the mashed potatoes were solid
bad idea
i had planned to do a stir fry tonite but gave in to laziness and microwaved some turkey up
the turkey is battling back
good stuff farmEEr, I'm listening.

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you can get PMed here, or BMed here or B-ed here, even wasmed here, but you can't get PRed here lately.

need to wait until Wednesday so I can get some more.
I only have one Guinness and I'm going to drink it.
PR me.
Ok. Im ready.
get ready for pr monday
no freeze here yet, maybe next month
:)
Actually, it will be warmed in TO then Texas tonight. Na na.
damn you WT.
first night that I have to bring in the plants from the patio
forecast 32 tonight, first freeze.
My dad has his bayonet, machete and medals but not much else.
One story out of all the time he was in the war. I suspect he didnt want to relive the rest of it.
Grandad would not talk about the war. Heard one stories: One was him in the desert figthing whoever and his
horse ran off. He figured he was a dead man til one of his buddies rode by and picked him up on his horse.
Got him back to their camp. He was wounded so was taken to a field "hospital". As he was lying in bed one
day a bullet passed thru the tent, thru the foot of the guy laying bed next to him and out the other side of the
tent past his ear.
go do your duty
lol
Funny, older people did not like to talk about their early life. My dad never would. My mother who died a 100
last year would talk about it the last few years.
When a senior citizen dies, it is like a library burning down, so much is lost
I wish I could have one more conversation with him. I would ask better questions.
changing faster and faster
Telephone radio tv movies aviation space
He lived to 92 and died in 1990. Think of the changes he saw in his life.
If you line up my family, every man is taller than the previous generation
From the time when a cavalry charge meant using a lance or sword.
everyone was shorter then
one of the only pictures of him in the war that still exist
over there somewhere
sword, no rifle
and not sure where
Tall horse or was grandad short?
Not sure of the year of that but around 1916
ah
thanks...!
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oh boy




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ok uploaded it. How do I post it here?
I been peeking in once in a while today without logging out. Lat time I left, I did logout. I was just going to
lurk for a dew minutes, but I see we are under login lockdown again. Any reason or is B just being contrary?

i wouldn't worry about that, now the wife thing might be a problem
I have an awesome picture of him on his horse. If anyone can tell me how to post it I will.
Actually Korean Vet in time frame only. Spent two years in occupational forces in Germany. Lucky.

Didnt talk about it much. Only managed to get a couple stories out of him before he died in 1990

mig, you really should host a cadre party
He was in Africa
My grandfather was in WW1
Incredible
and all wars.
you would have answered the bell
did not want to test the other option
full credit, thank you for your service Stormn
dont sell yourself short
You had a choice.
was drafted no choice
Fantastic guys.
A buddy had his stag at a local union a few years back, I got to talking with WW2 vets who were there. What a
night that was. Drinking with the boys from WW2.
if you ever need help mig, i can show you how to drive those cars and boats
regardless, I have incredible respect for anyone who has been in the military.
Fighting was over
Stormm - u were in the Korean war?
Korean war GI bill
word
When I went wife was 3 months pregnant...she was puking all over the place. She puked off the top deck
many times...give her credit she still got in the water.
yes it is.
crystal clear blue water...stunning.
makes a shit load of money doing something he loves....duh!
yeah....fantastic business that guy has
U of W 1960
BM, I went shark diving with Stuart Cove bout 6 years ago...was awesome. Need to do that again one day.
Maybe day after reveal.
she just wanted to have fun with us, and she was a drinker for sure...
storm, born in 33?
mig, we expect you to drive from now on
maybe as high as 150
Are there any ferrys from Toronto to Govenors Harbour? I would be willing to shell out at least 100 bucks for
that.
I understand he once blew out his flip flop and then stepped on a pop top. Poor bastard.
Youngsters
laughing at the rest of us
Pilot of his own plane....living in the keys and Caribbean....occasional tour to top up the bank account...

stormn 33
Read Jimmy Buffets Bio a few years back...that guy is doing it right.
BM, next time pick me up on your way.
                                                                                                              67
                                                                                                              67
i was born in 69
I had just seen the movie jaws....was terrified of the water...
7 actually...
First time there was in '75. I was 8.
more recent honeymoon was in the keys
Make a great reveal party location
in 1990
oh yeah it is.
first honeymoon in the bahamas
been there 3 times
Had my Honeymoon on Grand Bahama
I friggin love the Bahamas
really Lib?
we are in the bahamas yukon
lets roll...
belly too...
ok glass is now full...
it was incredible
i didn't see your boat
yeah, disney dream is bigger, ha
yes, second sailing
yeah, cruised the disney dream in feb
unwrapping presents with mickey

I sure hope DW went to NREL earlier this month if he still needs financing.
yep
sticky sweet
actually sounds good
i would try that wt
i'll be at mickey mouse land looking for bigmig
It was densified.
My mother made fruitcake in early Oct. for the holidays. It is fermented for at least 6 weeks preferrably more.
You pour more rum on top every couple weeks so it doesn't mold. aged under aluminum foil in the basement.

yukon is going to get funny
it doesn't even look like food
Hold on, my glass is empty...
maybe I have never had any that is made right....I cant stand it.
I crave it.
I love fruitcake that is made right
does anyone like fruitcake? WTF is that shit?
not
Give me a class with some fruitcake
hurl
sounds really....great
oh, lots of sugar
mmmmm...
girly drink
raw eggs, milk/cream, liquor, spices
I have never had egg nog. WTF is it exactly?
like the liquor, like the eggnog, just don't like it together.
whatever
baking
So what dow e know about GM Ventures?
we have a 2 foot tall predecorated plug in tree
Mine is going up right now. Bing is singing, cookies are backing, Im in the basement drinking talking to you
jackwagons. Just the way I like it!
We drink eggnog with rum or vodka I don't know which. It sucks but I drink it once a year. Too late now to tell
her it sucks.
AHBL = already haggard bloggers languish
I act like scrooge and make wifey wait to put of the tree until early Dec.
dw is the dad in the bee movie
two....and they already happened
How many more halts before the real AHBL?
egg zachly
AHBL = All Halt Breaks Loose
halt-ings
and cant figure out why he is still dragging his feet
wait, no. wut?
it's all been pleasant on a Saturday night now with that pesky political discussion.
I think they know its real, they have seen working eesu's, they have proof of life...and they just want DW to
get off the frigging pot...
judging by this week
bane-ings aplenty
let me re-phrase that...
unfortunately it's going to get pretty nasty in here come february with still no news
fat cats are trying to be cool and not spook the fish
I think they are just guilty of drinking the eestor cool-aid. They wanna believe more then anyone

lots of folks willing to sell, gotta burn through the cheap shares
we all look our best when we are drunk
slightly
Zenn has a tarnished record
their loss
then they dont deserve you WT
they won't admit it
SK....the thin volume is what got me hoping...didnt think they would halt on such thin volume
chicks dig drunk whiskeythief
a true leak should have 400k plus after the base purchasing of paradigm turned it
I like drunk Yukon better but he does get me into trouble...
logical yukon/drunk yukon keeps job
the run up was on such thin volume, it wouldn't have taken much to do that. Plus people are so edgy it
wouldn't take much to create a run up.
and tell the boss shes not really a $%*& even tho she is...
So now I have to return the sports car...
logical Yukon said it was just a reaction to the 30% run up day before...illogical Yukon said quit your job, tell
the boss she's a $%^$ and go buy a sports car.
good call
No, wife just tells me to clean the cat box after every false alarm.
I even called it the day before
WT I wasn't totally excited this time. Isuspected the halt was coming
u kill the cat?
Our cat litter box has never been this clean.
tell your wife if you like...just tell her PM said it
my wife not yours...
Good for you WT...I cant get mine to clean anything...dont tell her I said that either
dont tell her I said that
as usual
I told my wife all about it she said that's cool, but it's not the big one. Went back to cleaning the kitchen

sadly, she was right.
told the wife to log in and see what was going on. She said why bother? Its just another false alarm.

I was in a meeting trying to follow on my BB
:)
When Muftee said "OMG it's HALTED", I haven't been that excited since I filled a straight flush on the turn at
the final table.
Damn it will be fun when this nut actually cracks....
ah well. Good dry run.
then...not so much.
On Tuesday I was thinking this could actually be it...specially when false news that Zenn had asked for the halt
came down
l
lol...been waiting so long I cant imagine actually getting good news...
lo
I think it will be Wednesday!
Sadly neither do I...
I don't
so...anyone really think there will be PR on Monday?
but I believe every word I say (write)
see...the wine is going to my head already...
I have a no hot babysitter rule...I am just too irresistible I don't want to put the ladies through that kind of
pain.
thats funny...
Jack sees hot chick in the tub...gets up close and she turns into a scary an old women...
When the mom said let's hire her, the Dad said Honey, you never cease to amaze me. or something like that.
Neither one knows.
like a scene from the Shining
She can do that because she is a ghost.
I like the maid. She is a hot young maid in lingerie when the dad looks at her, she is an old prune when the
mom looks at her.
good. I love scary.
yup
American Horror?
I have been watching it, it's cool
Lockdown! gtg
I want to check out American Horror story. Looks good and creepy.
It is TB. Sons of Anarchy is awesome too.
yeah. Kicks my ass the next day fer sure. Moderation is not my strong suit.
Kentuck is very nice
Great show Yukon.
I have learned that lesson...well not actually learned it...but I know of what you speak
I tried wine on a diet. i like it fine. except when I drink it like beer
kentucky is nice because it is not ohio, but i like to try not to stop there
Let me know Fibb, I'll net to reserve the hall.
Check!
danger yukon, don't drink wine like beer. :)
No wine today. Like B I sometimes like Powers
Justified is filmed in Kentucky. Not sure if anyone watches that. Good show tho...
Fibb, are are kids still getting married? We'll need someone to watch chat for us after we go blind.

Kentucky is nice. Especially if you are coming south from Ohio, not so much coming north from Tennessee

Mostly a beer drinker but have been enjoying wine more and more lately.
I think you dringed too much
I like red, I like white, I like it all.
and bleed same
drink
In deep darkest we dring red
crossing into ky now, feel better
Chardonnay. Not sure of the label...wife picked it up...but its good.
Eenig would love Wooster
B should also market T-shirts that say..... "I survived my Dad being addicted to EEStor chat" for our kids to
wear.
WKRP in Cincinnati. Classic.
i was in wooster this morning
What you got Yukon?
Toledo?
The deepest
ahhh thats better
deep dark ohio?
Daddy is cadre.
:)
Jackwagon is okay
Yes but don't swear
my four year old is picking up some words.... how do I accelerate the process?
lol FAIL
Fibb, ignore the color yellow
assistant
what I need is a chat assitance
gotta fill my glass...brb....
SK, did Eenig do work>? When?
READ ALL CHAT ..... .aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghghghhghghghghhhhh
just when I thought I was out they pull me back in again...
NOT
I thought I was free of chat..... but i can't
Fibb, you are one dedicated jackwagon...
I'm going to take the kids to a santa parade this evening, drop them off and then hit a starbucks with my
laptop and read chat from last night onward.
Yukon, I know where you are. The beauty gets more intense.
must... read... Eenigma
hey sk, one of my favourite posters you
I need your discipline and not read back... but I can't resist
mostly the wine
plus I have the place to myself!
hey fibb
The older I get the more sentimental I get...age and wine makes me weep like a baby
yeah I'm great. about to eat some pizza and spaghetti
Okay, I'm being an ahole
tree is going to blow her mind
The Farmer's Almanac is predicting a very cold winter.
It must be true because the squirrels are gathering NUTS.
Three of my friends have disappeared.
Are you okay Fibb?
the lights
the tree?
Yokon, you eat it?
my four year old was eager
Kids loved it.
We cut one down today. Felt bad doing it but I got over it.
yeah, I'm late compared to my neighbors
fun
Get in the spirit early.
went to Canadian Tire and got some more lights and what not. oh and a new tree too.
Atta boy Fibb!!
got my christmas lights up on the deck (townhouse)
YES The McKenzie brothers. Take off hoser!
Can you get WKRP from where your at?
hey gang
So not that far then...your familiar with winter.
Deepest darkest Ohio.
Bob and Doug
Mckenzie
I loved that thing that they did... coo coo coo cachu. the ? brothers?
Where you at Miles?
kinda green and brown...
Not so white right now tho...
the Great White North!
I love to crunch on an ice cube. Puts me in mind of our friends to the north,
already?
can someone change my diapers?
Fess up Zenner
$5 coffee and a computer/phone, poor me, part of the 99%
Is Zenner Zenn's brother?
seriously, is there a better Christmas movie then Christmas Vacation?
We want you on our side Yukon. You and Alan Alda.
;>) You go guy!
Couple more glasses then Im going over.
Back away from Zenn.
Be sure and wave high to Ian as ya drive by!
Oh, you are an American.
Toronto! 5 mins from Zenns front door.
i could have fun selling ice in a snowstorm, this is awesome
its 5 oclock somewhere too
Where the hell are you Yukon, England?
Every day is a payday and every night is a Saturday night.
11 degrees celcius here today...perfect day to cut down a tree. Snow adds to the atmosphere but I'll take 11
degrees and green any day!
Ain't it been fun?
Just joshin' you guys are gold.
Makes ya preciate the good days!
Depending on how much wine I drink I will definately suffer...but not til tomorrow.
Everybody must suffer!
:)
Hang in there Lib, it's all gonna be okay. Dick loves ya and wants ya to have a Merry Christmas.

Yukon go back to your quoits!
lol
just got starbucks, long drive aheah, 3 year old in back, wife driving, life is an adventure
Call him out Liberty! LOL
Just cut the Christmas tree down with the family. Decorations going up, Chardonay in my glass...Christmas
Vacation on the tube...life is good!
with all due respect, i call bullshit tb
50 Degrees in Hudson Oaks, Texas wind from the North 20-30 mhp some gusts to 40. I don't care if we don't
get there it's all been worth the ride. Yeeeeeee Haaaaaaa!
Where is PM? We need some truth in here. LOL
Man, you'd think there'd be less to read on a weekend
The distance between continues to enlarge. Migglets flails.
Later. Enjoy bday dinner.
Down to 28 tonight. Just about right if it wasn't so windy.
gtg
North wind 10 - 20 highest gust 36
North wind about 20-25 mph
59 in Cedar Park
Yep, got some o that here too
Wife says we are going shopping. laters.
51 in okc now
glorious rain all night
windy here, it's not warming up today, temp is going down instead.
Coming from the north now. If not there now, will be by sundown.
time to see how many leaves blew into the pool with the high winds
Note attached. Use this to gap the plugs.
LOL
Someone slipped a ball bearing in your rebuild kit?
I must have had some kind of bearing on how the thing worked.
30 weight ball bearing, I'd bet.
it didn't run so well
That's funny dfw . . .

♫ Grooveshark: Infinite Density ♫
yep
that's why I'm not trying to figure it out hbert.
LOL, bet that made you scratch your head.
i remember having an extra ball bearing when i rebuilt a carburetor once
hell, I have leftover parts when I fix the plumbing :)
I would be very surprised if the few smart people that have ended up on this site would be the ones to figure
out what it is exactly that DW is doing to produce the EESU.
kicked a few lock washers under the table
You've been there.
:)
then looks around for leftover parts
Licks the last screw during assembly.
I think he can ramp up cheap. He thinks he can ramp up one line at a time while running production

lol
it's that little piece where DW goes poof and magic happens that has been difficult
True chief.
vessels, pumps, tubing, and ovens are off the shelf
I hope you are right dwfrunner
specific parts are new, the majority of the steps are mechanical and clear cut
Agreed wt.
PN says the steps are all new inventions.
doesn't mean there won't be proprietary steps/equipment
Exc - with DW's track record of missing schedule deadlines and estimates, who will believe his throughput,
yield, and cost estimates?
i think DW has already indicated that it will be mostly off-the-shelf and thus low cost
many will fund R&D
the final production facility may not be overly expensive but the time and money to get to that point seems to
be far beyond expectations
any technical person/organization that saw a working component or a complete physical explanation

If ever.
I'm beginning to think our time line is off by at least two years.
i hate it when that happens
Who in their right mind would fund this without a finished product in hand and a couple years of product
testing.
lol, usually there is someone that says "see, I told ya"
like...violating the laws of physics?

♫ Grooveshark: High Density ♫
Will take a lot more money to bring this product to market than I had ever imagined.
sometimes the killer problem is one never anticipated
Lots of places for things to go wrong. Way too many to make predictions on reveal.
that's part of the plan
plans go awry
DW said in 2009 that nobody else has taken a comprehensive approach to solve all the problems like they did.
DW and CN worked out a plan to solve each problem before they started.

Bombays away early lately

♫ Grooveshark: Striking Density ♫
Thanks Pn
ah yes turkey
where did you go?
later PN
duff
gtg - later
turkey
turky.
farm, I would guess
Vacuum furnace.

did B change the hamburger to chopped chicken? http://theeestory.com/
Would be interesting to know if DW has and vacuum mfg equipment.
but great tasting coffee
The crystalization step is flash freezing
When you flash freeze a turbulent fluid - you get defects
The seed can grow better without confounding factors
harder to pour it seems
Defect density is improved - maybe - under zero g and vacuum
PN, Is that why they want to grow crystals in space. Zero gravity and vacume?

♫ Grooveshark: Date with Density ♫
The mountain is rumbling, caldera is venting smoke and ash, we don't know when it's going to blow

I don't think that happens - ever
And getting a void free crystal in the process
it's all working
There are three kinds of people in this world. Those that number things, and those that don't.
true PN, 15kwh was the deal at the beginning
Densification requires running an oxidation reaction to completion when the oxidation forms a rigid crystal

LOL
of that moment.
The think we like about PN is that he never wavers from his convictions
More than 1 EESU only because the test articles are 15 kw-hr EESU's
The only reputation I seek to keep is one of unpredictability
how many components did they have to make to get enough that passed the test for each eesu?

They might even invite us in.
I'm thinking I could get the wife to bring the Church youth group to Christmas Carol them.
Let's see . . . 10 years. That would be 0.2 EESU's per year.
I am happy taking the heat
I don't need to reveal
of course if a Santa Claus parade with PN as Santa just happened to drive by EESTOR - just kidding, don't do
it. :)
so PN, who played you? I thought you were going to reveal the other night
That would be wild dfwrunner . . .
b said, more than 2 eesu's out
some day i'll finish it
I can dream
i've intented a generator that generates 1400 40v pulses per second at 5RPM at 10 amps
lol Dave
You really need 20 teams - one for each step - to have a realistic hope of success
np :)
Like Een says - only if DW needs cash
Happy Holidays!
thx EEME
Is a reveal this year possible?

♫ Grooveshark: Low Density ♫
Lots of powder does not mean its good powder
IMHO I don't think EESTOR appreciates any flowers, notes, visits or cards at any time of the year and CS said
the same the other night. This is a company trying to work hard, they do not need distractions.

Nobody is driving DW to a schedule except the money and the burn.

pn, http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/2011/06/powd...
I try to only invent one thing at a time - combining 2 inventions is impossible for me to do
Sometimes they literally pried it from my hands when I still had a list of things I strongly wanted to try.

And none of the steps are easy.
Each step requires invention
yes probably more steps when you go through the prep of the chemcials properly

♫ Grooveshark: Density ♫
Step 2 he said they did it very quickly IIRC in the leaked tape
I'm beginning to see the problem. You are now at step 7 of at least 20 steps. Right?
but he has buttons for that
Step 3 seems impossible
Step 2 seems awfully hard to me
I know what it feels like to finally be done but (if there is time) you are going to check it all out one more
time.
Maybe that is where DW is.
Have a long neck
Step 5 is resting?
In the coating purification I was struck that the ouput could be redirected to the input to run the process
again. Iterative process seems brilliant to me, that they could design it like that. It didn't just happen.
Step 3 is also an oxidation reaction
Step 7 make inks
Step 6 add PET coating
Step 4 apply alumina to dense crystal nuggets
Step 3 cook precipitate to densify
Step 2 mix component chemicals to make precipitate
Step 1 purify component chemicals
all before inkifying for printing?
Densification is during calcining - after precipitation and before alumina is applied
thx
All the literature says high permittivity needs perfect crystal
densification takes place in the printing phase?
question PN, does the permittivity indicate the crystal is perfect?
So you either hit your density endpoint or you have junk
A tiny bit of density is a huge difference in ED
The literature is pretty clear on density issues
so just lower the ED target a bit
and covering your tracks
All in all a very messy way of making a perfect crystal
"we couldn't find it"
maybe Ozarka messed up DW's water order
Getting rid of the water - to near 100% densification requires densification aids
aqueous process
Per DAP
Like 90% water
very fast is required but it incorporates a lot of water of crystalization
very fast
then you have to make it repeatable and fast
Not going to work reliably - probably ever
The method DW uses is make slush then get it atomically precise
You need atomic precision to build this thing
3 more.
:)
Well, it's your birthday Chief. Have anything you want.
I have come up with 3 more accessible business plans too
Chasing a more controllable rabbit?
It's a bit creepy to send flowers to Betty, but I'm thinking a Christmas card to EEstor is not creepy. I'm not
sure because I am having Guinness Draught for lunch.
The thing works - but it is beyond state of the art for fabrication
PN, we have learned that your input is 'for effect' :)
PM recommends stopping too
Sorry to hear you have stopped PN.
Including DW - of course this is just a made up story
The densification step will prove to be the one that trips us all up
I have a good friend like that. But the change is very different than Mig. Not saying that's his problem.
I wasn't laughing.
Exc, it is not a joke, I have relatives like that
I have stopped too
No competition anymore
Hadn't thought of that larry.
Something tells me BM has stopped trying to build an EESU
i have seek and destroy
back on his meds?
The last month or so he has been Mr. Nice Guy.
Lol
Big mug
I'm not the only one. He could get real nasty when he wanted to and seemed to enjoy it.
I lost interest in big made when he discredited PN, and started talking about throwing dogs off the roof.

lol
LOL
excessive is talking about getting migged
Excessive, I agree with your assessment. BM changed dramatically.
I agree wt.
I have vouched for Mig's cred. He has said enough for me to know he fought the war of product development
on the front lines with me.
I never questioned anything he ever posted.
Not really, He would attack folks for no apparent reason. Including me.
too much but not enough money syndrome
Mig got questioned in a way that raised his ire.
Then you changed. Now, you are back to the old Mig. What happened?
I always liked that about you.
You were patient and tried to explain where we could understand.
mig just has a time of the month, it's all good
You were one of my favorite bloggers here. Read everything you posted and understood little.
You always ended your post with lol or : )
When you first came on this site, you were one of the nicest bloggers here.
Mig, question
It was a cup. Don't know what was in it. Shouldn't have said coffee.
LOL
with cream
We were on the boat. A large cruiser was crossing our bow a couple of hundred yards in front of us. I handed
her the camera and asked her to get a picture of the cruiser. You could see a person inside drinking a cup of
coffee.
sumthing like that
  Liberty wrote:
  b said defectors will swim with the fishes
....or wash up on this beach?...
Some say he uses both technical, and rule bending techniches to achieve his results..
it's amazing what you can see at 200 yards
I amazed my grand daughter with it this weekend.
                                                     TRUE
200 ft. away was not a challenge for 10x zoom with image stabilization
love my ventgate camera
So did I Liberty.
Those pics even surprised me. I didn't realize the vents were that huge.
i got a great camera out of ventgate
parking lot reports were earlier than the vent pics
photograph this poker king .... boom
but it's spillgate wt
your just lucky that LM didn't let DW borrow a few manpads
not going to reveal that liberty
no not dirty vent gate, lots of rental cars in the parking lot gate... were they at the same time?

so we need to know who contacted wt
They blew the horn at WT. Ascared him. . .
wut?
Stop Thief!
check the date of the vent pics in files
when wt was caught
when was parking lot-gate?
both, yes.
Pageman99 and BigMig are very interesting men.
I would contribute to their legal fees.
That would be good.
hbert, they might be angry enough to sue the yahoo kooks, zawy, ee-tom, etc for scamming them out of their
fortune.
Interesting perspective hbert. . . .
so switching sides was a message to dw
doubt it is a scam re science, but being 'very overly optimistic' re cost is 'scamish'
lol. Madoff was the smartest and the dumbest. He was a top dog in the industry, beyond reproach. He didn't
even need to scam to make money. It's like Lindsay Lohan shop lifting a necklace. It's pathological.

What might make EEstor a scam it that is is so unconventional in what is happening that those that do not
invest may be the ones that are scammed.
KP and LM would not put up with a scam this long...they're not stupid for gosh sakes
dark side b
If this is a scam, it's the smartest or dumbest one ever. Your choice.
wants pageman to share more info and miggy to try harder
Or from country to country.
Another important feature of a scam. They move from state to state a lot under different name looking for
new targets.
MIT team provides insight into OER reaction in Li-air batteries to help improve performance

b said defectors will swim with the fishes
did you miss that story larry?
ah, zmc, not eestor; they know nothing :)
He wanted his options badly
ZMC employee lawsuit, settle this spring/summer
which former employee sued?
the opposite has happened Exc. Former employee sued to get back IN on it.
One important feature of a scam. The person doing the scamming eventually ends up suing former employees
and vendors for defamation of character as they begin to blow the whistle and tighten the noose. That hasn't
happened.
I agree larry. I decide which outcome I think is most likely but I don't fall in love with my hand. With new
information I will change my mind.
wt, I believe a very broad range of things are possible; just place the odds better on some possibilities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglossal_nerve
nervous about never wt?
2 years for a commercial eesu?
If DW bumbles his way out of money but the tech is good. We leave the greatest invention of the decade on
the floor in the lab?
nerve
dfw where is that never situated ?
failure to launch does not make it a scam.
we have different filters larry
she said as much
I would spasm if she said "I hope it turns out to be real"
Important that CS is not worried about scam in CP.

Thank the lord: Hypoglossal nerve stimulation increases airflow during sleep in obstructive sleep
apnea
winners and losers in the end. One persons scam is another's windfall
scam lite
larry said scam
I have decided to believe he is an honest but optimistic man.
my mischievous mind wonders if DW always knew the eesu could never be produced cheap enough for public
use and only suggested it could to get money from zenn and lightev :)
B is a lot more open with his thoughts now. Thanks B
It's big and yellow in Texas.
lol, the sun is small and white in Canada

Canadian solar project wins top environment award
Just turn the economic engine of growth loose in the USA and my investments will secure my retirement.

♫ Grooveshark: Spring Chicken ♫
soon, I hope.
That may be "fixed" one way or the other soon.
so b is circling the wagons and lighting fires
thx Exc. Not rich enough to retire, not poor enough to work. :)
Happy Birthday Chief. 55, Spring Chicken. Get off your but and go to work : )
wish i was 55
thx EEv
no concept of commerce


1. get Sandia to endorse the technology and perhaps use that to get $$$ for continued work.
2. A way to put some pressure on DW to see hwere he was at, but DW put the constraint of the press release
and also his controlled test
later, got to do something productive.... happy 55 WT. You earned every minute.
AFRL stooge thought stealth development was a sure sign of scam
AFRL stooge was raising the alarm to higher ups that DW wanted to use their name to promote it. They
seemed reluctant. It's right in the FOIA emails.
we don't know
so did the demo take place without afrl?
point is, when a sample was not provided, somebody took it personal. That's where the acrimony started.

afrl was just one of several invitees
SWRI would be adequate for an investor
  “How to get rid of ego as dictator and turn it into messenger and servant and scout, to be in your service, is
  the trick.” ― Joseph Campbell
I think the ARFL approach was motivated by EGO.
4 out 5 scientists surveyed recommend EESU
(in addition to the "it works" sticker)
the high mtbf sticker is what they want
AFRL may be reluctant to lend their name to product endorsements.
so they don't get the "heart healthy" sticker.
most in military would recognize the strategic benefit to the country, advancing that strategic benefit exceeds
greed for most
ok, they would be entitled to a fee. Like brand name orange juice gets "Heart healthy" endorsement from
USDA for a FEE. Off brand is the same thing but they can't afford the fee.
so..... we are back to Gollum and his precious.
Hell, if they did that they would be entitled to a cut.
yes
AFRL/Sandia does not want to become the good houskeeping seal of approval for wacky ideas.

Like Rossi running around pretending to be endorsed by U fo Balogna, mentioning MIT, NASA, etc.

i don't think so, a positive demo could result in financial benefit, there is no requirement to be public for
financial benefit
AFRl doesn't mind that, they mind being connected with a lunatic
I tend to agree if Sandia/AFRL would not allow their test results to be released as an endorsement then he
would lose interest quickly.
... and rightfully so.
actually, BM, that's kinda what I read into it. ARFL was worried that they migth end up becoming a PR tool for
tech startups.
private demo may have occurred
DW didn't say he wanted to do a public demo with sandia/AFRL
So somebody has passed information to B that an interaction that was apparently winding up according to
FOIA docs, was suspended.
with foi
we now have dfw birdies!!!
gov doesnt have to violate the proprietary information of companies


1. DW sent (or discussed over the phone) a Cedar Park visit demo test description and the experts at
AFRL/Sandia said/concluded ”DW is pumping AFRL/Sandia if he was going to get away his test
demo” and decided to stop everything.

2.DW retracted and changed his position on his commitment to send a component to AFRL/Sandia for
Sandia/AFRL's own testing (which was outlined in an email and mimics what a competent SME would have
done) and Sandia/AFRL retaliated to this by aborting the whole deal.
3. DW came back prior to the CP visit and insisted in the press release thing without having AFRL/Sandia
touch/test a component and put it thru paces with their own methodology and facilities, FRL/Sandia said no
and the whole thing broke down because again they thought DW just trying to get a press release.

double protection from FOIA
I don't know that the demo did not happen. AFRL could have given the project a code name and marked all
the documentation confidential.
B said so last night
how do we know this?
DW contacted them for a demo/demo did not happen. This cries out for explanation.
tests at cp happen all the time, just not public ones
the consensus seems to be (other than Po) that this works at lab level, but turning that into a product is
expensive, time consuming, and maybe never economical.
how do we know this?
most of the investors took material scientists/physicists with them
what do we really know about this "fiasco?"
positive results have been hinted at to me by "birdies"
I just know how much time, expense, and effort it takes to make comparatively minor alterations in
DRAM/NAND manufacturing.
makes sense dfw
i'm confident that some investors/participants would not have stuck with it this long without measurable
results
watch out for snakes...
:) thougth of that
hot tub saves the day for us on loss of power to our pump
fill your tank with a bucket from the swimming pool
Mig, are you fully convinced the science works, and if so, can it be produced economically?
be
i need to drink and eat less may
with water off, good thing I have 4 commodes
even igniting a volume of hydrogen leaves traces of unreacted hydrogen at the end
full densification is thermodynamically unlikely by just about any physical model of the process that is
currently known.
bigs, you have no need of a doctoral thesis but the composite contribution here essentially amounts to one. I
appreciate the education you have brought me. It has been fun and rewarding to me.

♫ Grooveshark: Turn the Page ♫
1 85182093 ZENNERGY TARR LIVE
what is the ED?
BM have you made components and tested them yet?
still marked as live
:-) thx BM
.... as was CityZenn
Zennergy was DOA
looks like zenns Zennergy tm is suspended for not being specific in what it is appling the tm too

mig, make a 10 page powerpoint for us and walk us to the promised ED land
much of the drama comes from the assistance given. Somebody directs a spotlight, somebody mixes in a deep
echo in the audio, somebody sets the visual frame.... these are all acts apart from the actor.

gotta trim my bushes, then lights... keep it light, and decent folks!
Drama.. Comedy mostly..
mig, can you convert the science to cartoons?
it's funny, i was watching romeo and juliet on netflix this morning
@ric.. Colors.. Lol
any time you have a group of people interacting all of the time with different views, drama emerges

less finance/business/marketing
i definitely want people to enjoy it partially as theatre
i wish it was science
i'm ok with that label
this website is theatre
much of my job is theatre in one way or another
It's not your problem, it's mine. I just have to work harder to be fair.
CS just wants it to work
I couldn't manufacture a compelling reason for the urgency for provacy, so I just wrote it off as theater. This
is likely not true but that impression remains, absent of any additional non-text based interaction.

i guess i probably comment on pageman too much
I just like the colors BM
pm pms himself?
PM is a self-admitted misanthope. If you forget that when interacting with him, it's your loss.
but over the years that has declined to once a month or so or less
tv and i used to talk almost every day....
i'm just saying, consistent in personality
re: page man's posts not my theatre
:)
there are other forums out there?
in what way
I interpreted it as theater.
when you analyze PMs posts on other forums, they are almost exactly consistent with his posts here

I didn't take it that way.
sounds kinda rude
ok
there was a moment that you politely excused yourself and Tom to have a private chat.
I have looked at some of you posts Bigmig and have really been impressed with the colors, graphics and
complexity. I really have no idea what it all means
tell me
B, when I met you and TV at Reagan that day, there was an interesting little dance that has stuck in my mind.

:-)
     if this recipe works, it will establish me as the all time king of turkey
I read that wrong... thought "all time turkey of kings" at first read.
turkey rice soup has nothing on this!!
probably better than being ricinroed
BM, are you BigMigging us again?
great, what is Indian butter?
with basmati rice
success!!!
how is the flavor density?
moment of truth
I'm about to take my first bite
sounds yummy
if this recipe works, it will establish me as the all time king of turkey
and cooked it with left over turkey
i just made an Indian butter chicken sauce
Hi B
let me tell you people something
sounds like we have similar bosses
If I was going to send a prank e-mail, I'd certainly sign it with the name of a real person.
The msg came from a gmail account. How could I possibly know it actually came from that man?

miggy, do you drink while putting up chrisstmas decor?
that was that link I sent below...scroll down to post 7
lens, Dr. Asriel Liu can be googled
maybe
Certainly might be, Libber.
might be a prank lens?
It used to be attitude, but now I cheerfully drink before putting up lights
  Mark wrote:
      from Steve's cellmate in the rubber room wrote:
    .......or more likely Asundria? The latter being the only country I can think of to fully master
    nanotechnology and advanced materials.
Yah, that's one thing that makes me think this is a prank, because so far as I can tell, there is no such
country.
lol
the biggest problem is ladders and drinking BM
oh, missed it I guess
mid life crisis is 30 to 50
a 10000 sq foot house would multply may anxiety x 4
Each year I get christmas light anxiety after thanksgiving
time to get a 10000 sq ft house
liberty, when is supposed to happen?
mid life crisis comming?
enjoy 40's
I'm exactly a month shy of 50
eev, thought you were an elder
I'm not far behind, dad.
dr liu posts
thx EEv, I am 55

http://www.thescienceforum.com/politics/21424-v...
WT's BD? I didn't know. Mr. Theif, I would like to congratulate you on your continued aging.
bbl
2. DW did what he had to do to get investors thumbs-up by projecting an optimistic cool-aid punch of progress
and “easy to get the goal post” milestone during the investors audio tape. Lots of people drank the cool-aid
and bought that story including ZNN.

3. No AFRL/Sandia testing/demo at CP ever happened


4. Continued tinkering to make product/line/process viable


5 Internal bickering within EESTOR on how to proceed (small company syndrome which when it happens, it
deteriorates {negative confrontational and combative, reduced efficiencies, generates a sense of being lost
and being helpless in the minds of support people} the organization quickly if a change does not happen)



6. Running out of funds in near future


7. DW continues with very old school ways of progress gates, mitigation strategies, and timeline metrics. A
method that does not allow for check and balances on how to proceed is only as good as the single person
making all the key decisions.
Well, gtg, have a good one, and enjoy your B'Day WT.
lol@WT
Some interesting shite in B's talk, have to go back and read it again and see what I might have missed.

I defended my software on occasion with "are you calling my baby ugly?"
EEv, I referred to myself as dad in relation to some of my development.
I would certainly hope so.
over-achievers are often musicians (by my experience)
I think when a person finds a direct and sole stewardship of something as profound as EEStor technology, his
relationship with nature, his own and the world's, becomes deeper and more profound. The question then
arises, "do these things interfere with the mundane business of making things work to everyone's
satisfaction?"
And is CN involved through LP.
The way B talked about LP last night, it made me wonder if he is controlling the tech end now.
because it is a legit question
yup
I think that's what JK was referring to when he said I looked into his eyes, that marine... etc.
I can't imagine JK or even Dr Pettey getting involved if DW wasn't solid
I hope not. Thanks for the info WT.
ya think?
folks that have talked to him say no
On a serious note, and I hate to say this, anybody think that maybe DW is starting to experience a little
dementia?
from Steve's cellmate in the rubber room...........LOL
  from Steve's cellmate in the rubber room wrote:
  .......or more likely Asundria? The latter being the only country I can think of to fully master nanotechnology
  and advanced materials.
hee hee
lol
OK I take the other side
thx tf
Hey WT, just saw below it's your birthday. Happy Birthday.
I just took one, there is only one left.
:)
:)
lets face it.......I'll just take sides anyway
before B arrived
I must not have scrolled back far enough.
I didn't like wasmamba's proctologist act climbing up PM's ass over nothing last night.
she said, well you can be. sometimes.
I said wut?
When he was all intense and focused, unaware of being rude etc. at the beginning. Wifey said I was just like
him.
if I were single I would be out pagemanning chicks right now
muhahahahahaha
cuz I got the girl
he got the money but not the girl
Poker players are finely attuned to the subtle sub-conscious tells of their opponents
But the partner in the movie prevailed in his lawsuit... even the snobby twins won something big.

I call it a sinking feeling
When a person is sub-cosciously aware of something, we call it ESP or intuition
lol, was funny
lighten up - it was just a joke!
I immediately wired back, "appeal at once"!
Speaking of "attorneys" reminds me of litigation were I was once involved. The judgment was deferred, and
on the day it was announced, I was out of town on other business. My attorney wired me, "justice has
prevailed".
tell him: It's a Bullshit
Yes, WT... someone might try to pull a fast one on Zenn.
In response to "You should have had your own attorney's look at it"
'To be honest, I thought those were my attorneys'
what scared you wt?
so, the image that has come into resolution of Dick Weir as Golum self-sequestered in his mountain cave with
his "precious" strikes me as an amazing application of mythos.
I watched The Social Network last night. I am ascared.
that would be so human of us

Here's Dr. Liu's domain info. http://whois.domaintools.com/imperialoffice.org
Surfing, I'm sure that must be it. ;-)
Just a few Google results for ISA, but I like Whiskeythief's best.
It's been said here before but I think the implications of this technology assure that it will be stolen, copied,
profited from, hidden, suppressed, and otherwise manipulated wholesale by humans.

EEventyally, well said, hence my post in b's liars thread.
Idiotic State of Affairs
International Society of Automation... International Society of Arboriculture... International Studies Abroad...
International Sign Association... Industrial Supply Association... International Surfing Association

     teslafan49 wrote:
     Lens, write back and tell him you got the technology from the aliens we are detaining at Area 51. LOL.

LOL indeed! Tempting, tesla... tempting.
I was wondering what "ISA" stands for, myself.
Humans are an embedded component of any human created system. they bring with them all those apsects of
humanity that are both wonderful and frightening.
EEventually...what aren't we aware of consciously?
Certainly looks like a nutjob or a prankster, yeah. But I sent him a polite reply anyway. Was it gg that said "It
never costs anything to be polite" ?
is Asundria near Nigeria?
Isn't that what ISA stands for: Intergalatic Society of Aliens??
Dr. Asriel Liu is pagemanning around in that email
Lens, make sure you give him your bank account number.
Lens, write back and tell him you got the technology from the aliens we are detaining at Area 51. LOL.

the last 24 hours of chat here vivdly illustrate a simple fact that many forget and many know so intuitively that
they aren't aware of conciously.
your presents will be revealed
"I have one myself [an EESU-like battery] in my electric car." LOLOLOL
please send me money
29 days till Christmas, silly
what a nut job
that's a bs
That's a bs.
Interesting, I just received this e-mail, I presume because of my EEStor FAQ site:
     Dear EEstor,


     I am very curious in regards to your new capacitor-based product, as its technology seems to be many years
     ahead of the trend in the USA. I have seen batteries like yours before; indeed I have seen better batteries
     that exceed the capabilities you claim (I have one myself in my electric car that was made by the ISA).
     However these products came from countries which have technological capabilities that are at least (read: at
     least) ten years ahead of the USA. I am of doubt that an American company could create something that you
     claim without help from a foreign government. Are you perhaps funded by China, Japan, or more likely
     Asundria? The latter being the only country I can think of to fully master nanotechnology and advanced
     materials.


     Kind regards,


     Dr. Asriel Liu
lol, worked on my water main break for 2 days, slapped it back together and it broke again...5 more hours

On the 4th day the FSM created dog butt Jesus :-)
I remember when Pf was pumped about may/june after the annual meeting.... more of the same?

Thanks be to the FSM
Tough crowd today.
Ah well, so much for my fantasy of gg as Laura Croft, Tomb Raider!
OK, time to go pick up millions of leaves. Go get some fresh air everybody. No PR today.
:)
I'm a girlie girl who would never hit someone... at least Not first lol
doofen, I hope your prediction is correct.
I am surprised every time there is or isn't a press release.
Someday somebody will be right with a prediction
oops. not meant the way it sounded.
Pfuji predicted an EEStor announcement Monday. I can believe that. An announcement around Xmas time, no
way. Ain't gonna happen.
me too, backhanded bitch slap
rofl
lol, gg, first I thought back of hand to head was knuckles oriented...
He's going for Christmas I guess
dfw says 29 days? Where did that info come from?
wut?
hey wt
when personal insults are added, it is no longer a glossary
dfw says 29 days
But wait-- someone said Waz had something interesting to say! Spill, please.
doof, I did a glossary once. Suggested to Nekote that a page be created for it here. Of course, I was ignored.
:(
So...any optomistic predictions?
DFW-ness is the new pagemanitis
lol
tell us another pageman daddy
pagemanning with pom poms = eenigmaing .
Goes along with my earlier "PMS"-- PageMan Syndrome. (Oops, did I say that out loud?)
Taylor's is pagemanning away in b's new topic
29 days until reveal
I suppose i am picking on Pm a bit but pagemanning is the funniest thing to me
Erm, that's what I meant... that you're no Duff! Thank FSM.
who's in charge of updating the glossary?
What does it mean to dufferize?
Pm can handle it
LOL
so true
too late, pagemanning is part of the lexicon
everybody is entitled to their own fantasy
new friends I don't know lol
stop picking on poor pageman
are not the friends
lol, toungue firmly in cheek gg
I have to Eenigma someone
lens, you've known duff. I'm no duff.
Wt Those probably are the friends you'll want lol
...er, sockpuppetinator, sorry.

♫ Grooveshark: Here Comes Santa Claus ♫
LOLOLOLOL
  pagemanning the shit out of the chat room today for God's sake man....you are trying to pageman everyone
  out of their happiness it seems
I'm not going to let exorbitant wealth change me, I'll just get new friends.
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
b talking to MJT,
  be specific, otherwise you are pagemanning us
Nah, it's Duff/Doofy who has the evil sockpupinator!
muhohohohohohohoh <cough> hoho <cough cough> ho
Oh my god I'm back to having and uncontrollable childish like giggle attack
Fibb...what a scroll
I've been testing it here for 3 years
my sockpuppetinator
I'm waiting for it to hatch my next eeevil plan
innnnAAAtoooor's
eesu makes many new inator's possible
yes that
uh huh
doof
door
looks like PR Monday is possible
door - true
just go on with life, DW will have no choice eventually
later
ciao
rt :)
that's the safest approach to avoid getting hurt Fibb
don't get your hopes up for a holiday period reveal.
find out if there's any EESUs in the wild
but I enjoyed B's new shit.
Fibb got the fever
gtg
Checking for a fever
I'm jaded. I expect nothing.
lol
we have pfuji, g, and Drunk B a spillin
gg?
she is
Fibb if I were there I would be putting the back of my hand against your forehead
good stuff
is she merikan
Liberty has gone from years to months
accountant fees
mail her
so wifey is going to the post office to mail here 8 years of taxes and various other forms. she's done. she did it
all herself. saved us thousands in account fees. she is no longer a fugitive!!! at least we hope.

I think Pfuji statements were more succinct, and real
we are in the final months of waiting
B responded... "I hope so wasm"
detox
Fibb my son
Lol
sounds good to me, and you?
no this:
  wasm wrote:
  B, the Holidays are here. It will all come together brother. 9:44pm 25Nov11
about PM?
sec
what?
totally gels with pfuji's info
no?
did you guys notice what wasm said?
doesn't exactly gel with Pfujis info
I am getting dragged out of the house by my wife
B kind of told us what some of the stories were about, he did not really tell us the stories.
there has been a lot of chat since? anything good since then?
well it wasn't exactly positive news but at least it was different then the same old rehash.
do we have EESUs in the wild?
mainly a downer to me
jimp it was new info
I re-read it this morning. very interesting
Fibb - what was so awesome about it?
OK
best in a long time
do I need to scroll
oh yeah!
did b spill last night?
any news since last night's great and awesome B spillage?
LOL
  Taylor wrote:
  I don't know how to detect the liars upfront, but to me the most successful liars are those appearing
  infrequently claiming to have some super secret sources about what EEStor is doing, then pump a bit, then
  when they are wrong tell everyone they need to do their homework and then go silent. Wait 6 weeks and
  repeat.
I hope Pfuji is right
scupper Rebuttal from Taylor on lying thread......LOL. I'll have to read that
bobbing for apples in an oil slick
The sentiment here gets more and more depressing since last weeks stock action....
great memories. we were bobbing for apples and some of the kids had brylcream (little dab'l do ya) in their
hair. Tub of water hat pretty rainbows on top.
Rebuttal from Taylor on lying thread
hee hee
then we all walked home
there we go... sorry, my time is all messed up
made us cookies.......LOL
any one posting?
nice lady and gave her time
Mrs Driver was mine
good for you GG
are you?
Eenigma I'm den mother lol
muhahahahaha
I give him credit sure there was more too
den mother ..........would equal who?
it's not like he's here 24/7 playing den mother and telling us all how we should think or when to hush up

others are confident enough but still won't bother with it
lots of people aren't confident enough to stand up to it gg
Who will ever say anything knowing the interrogation is iminant after hitting post
just seems odd to attack pfuji for making an effort
like a good buffet, I take what I like and leave the rest
exactly WT
Lol me too
perception is wacked.....that gets my vote
I like thoughtful insight, doesn't mean I agree with all of it though.
Or their perception is wacked
We appreciated his insight the day before so he gave us more. I liked it.
Now bloggers really can't read
i saw pfuji telling people not believe anyone including him
nope
I didn't see that
Taylor claims pfuji was telling people to buy?
yeah, pfuji was cool headed about it mostly
I never have payed much attention to Taylor
Maybe but still should be civil
exactly
boys will be boys
some deserve it GG
WT............AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
What about any hostility towards anyone here?
LOL
makes no sense to me Eenigma, hanging out with Lenman too much?
uncalled for
What's up with Taylor's hostility toward pfuji?
World class barbecue at the County Line
We always get fresh Hutterite raised.
It's where businessmen take their out of town clients
and it's um, quite expensive.
Great
It's a big place, it can handle a big party
I can get the reservations
GG, my wife gets fresh turkey
Wt when the time comes I'll ask DW if you'll make the reservation?
always peanut oil
yes, peanut oil
store bought frozen, I am not picky
peanut oil?
Y-no was it a fresh turkey?
even my dad liked it and he is a pain in the ass
Y_No best fried turkey EVER....nice
it's gone!
Sure because his ideas are the best
Barbecue at the County Line with the Cadre buying will be hard for him to resist.
or did they go out for dinner?
best fried turkey EVER
Y_No did your family like your cooking?
I am not saying DW is "crazy"; I'm saying he's Hell to deal with
depends on who's buying
Think DW would ever agree to have dinner with the cadre?
eureka I get your point, but there is not enough context to form that conclusion
GG, i want an EESU. This isn't about that. It's why we're not getting anywhere
exactly h
Eenigma, Yes I would like to hear what DW said "in context".
me too
I hope he proves you wrong Eenigma : )
Een, it's not the veracity, it's that he fantasizes this
the US goverment is going to that how?
eureka, who else is close to producing and EESU?
I just don't think you can sell power to europe and wipe out a 14 trillion dollar debt......it's crazy talk

wt, hb this is subtle out of all the possibilities--infinite--in the world to save the US, only He can do it!

:)
hbert ...I thought the same thing and still do
It's the solution
But then I am crazy too.
agree hbert
When I first heard about the EESU and started to think about the implications I came to the conclusion that is
could change the world economy to a similar degree that I think DW imagines.

Part of the reason for the release of the last video was to show what those around DW have to deal with

He's not doing that at Discovery Blvd. and he knows that.
yes GG........if take those stand alone comments it's crazy talk...of course we don't have full context so I'll
stop short of it actually being crazy talk
energy independence, prosperity, and growth. duh.
He also said the grid was first. Cheap energy == prosperity.
More fantasizing
He was imagining 2 million square feet, incredibly high volume. Massive growth spurt in a nation wide product
replacement cycle.


Eenigma you think it's crazy talk?
I suppose we don't have the full context in which those comments were made
single handedly erase the national debt?
In the Navy reserves
My dad was trained to cold cock them, then save them.
But I wonder if this is DW's "seccret" motivation for waiting - doesn't tell anyone even TW or anyone at
Eestor..
LP is brilliant and helpful. So why does DW say I did this and I did that; seldom "We"
Save the country too soon and they won't be good stewards of the new wealth
Never thought of that wt
eureka...parts of that last audio were a bit disturbing......ship power to europe to the tune of 14 trillion?

I know B doesn't believe in this theory, so I have to respect that.
Easier to save a drowning man that is too weak to fight
So my long email that I never finished to PM and DAP explaining why I am giving up the quest is not needed

That was because he will fight you climbing on top of you out of panic.
long time ago they used to say wait until a drowning man goes down for the 3rd time to save him.

eureka! Some of DW's statements in the last video show evidence of meglomania. "What else is going to save
it " but MY technology. Not good.
yes wt - but maybe he wants to show those Li-ion investments to have been stupid a little closer to next
November.
What's wrong with saving the country NOW!
I don't think so either doof
so I don't think he necessarily wants to wait till after next year's election, but maybe a while longer.

yea, that
thx pico
You mean the payoffs to the 'Green Bundlers' in the Obama campaign
Yes, but in this situation is an abject control freak who fantasizes a lot the best thing for getting things done?

Especially when he goes on TV and says Chu turned him down.
happy birthday wt. hope we don't have to say that too many times before reveal.
buisnesss owners often exhibit the need to control also. They trust their own judgement
If he releases tomorrow he makes Chu investments in Li Ion look stupid.
Eveen if he released the eesu tomorrow, he is not going to save us overnight. I doubt the political angle.

Email DW with that info pn
GG is right..........Pilots are control freaks
gg I would be happy to apply a firm hand!
If DW is holding the nuts, running the accounts down to zero is not that scary for him.
so he'll continue to do the minimum to extend his financial rope. Maybe sell some more small licenses if need
be
DW Is a man who likes control ... A real man IMHO
DW is also comfortable running the accounts down to zero
Some of DW's statements in the last video show evidence of meglomania. "What else is going to save it " but
MY technology. Not good.
pfuji and G think he is running out of money, they know more than me
I just guess a lot
He doesn't want to reveal in any timeframe to help Obama get reelected and squander the financial benefits of
the EESU - exactly
I have no inside info so what do I know
Waiting out the socialists is what wifey tends to think.
PNeilson But b and others are quite sure that is not true..........I'm going with b
Waiting out Obama
I hope he is not funded yet, otherwise we don't hear a word for 2 more years
He blames the politicians in power, and is fixated on Obama naturally.
So - which is it?
PN explains a lot
thx scupper
But b and others are quite sure that is not true
He thinks the country is heading down the tubes (as it may be) with $14T in debt.
Yes happy bday WT.
I have been thinking already funded for a while.
thx Muftee
DW said it himself - he wants to save his country. That's the core of the profile
already funded?
Happy b'day WT
hard core stealth?
The hold back is a tell wt - I just can't figure out the tell
Share it doof
I have a pet crazy theory on DW... based on watching too many FBI profiling shows
DW knows there is a flaw - and the rest at EEStor don't?
Thanks just bookmarked
that one is bugging me PN, why did DW hold back?
Is there a simple way to break it? Cause the AFRL sure would try to break it.
zero carbohydrates
and if everyone else felt they were ready to demo to Sandia, that's pretty cool. DW can't wait forever even if
he wants to tinker and tinker (as TV thinks)
zero calories
Does it not work? So DW held it back?
moist and chocolatey
I prefer three whole cakes.
I was told it is wacky because it has no eggs and you can let the kids lick the beaters and bowl

OMG, that is very similar to the "Wacky" cake we like to make.
I guess vinegar and oil in the cake is similar to mayonnaise in german chocolate cake
I am not quite sure how to read the AFRL blowup
I will post the recipe in the recipe thread

here is 3 hole cake, Mr. Google isn't how mom did it. I have her recipe
cards.http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,166,155172-2541...
Frequent phone calls help
so seems to me like there are two viewpoints within Eestor - DW's and everyone else's
I put vinegar in a cake all the time.
foia the crap out of them probably didn't help
larry - I have met and drank with most of the combatents
Vinegar in a cake? Never heard of such a thing.
very interesting that there seems to have been a major blowup inside Eestor a year ago in regard to how to
proceed with Sandia/afrl
I guess the closest is Nanotech - and I already work with the MEMS prof.
you mix it in the pan. flour cocoa sugar etc dry in the cake pan. then you make 3 holes in it. One for egg, one
for vinegar, one for (i can't remember). Then you mix it right in the cake pan.

who's next to be crucified; watchout PN :)
that was a fun sideline
3 hole cake is a chocolate cake that my mother used to make
doof, you mean the part where wasm crucifies page?
great chat session last night, just finished catching up
that's a damn good point PN
I don't get it and am afraid to ask
i didn't realized this.. getting man on mars isn't just rocket science.
  Goldberg is co-leader of a team trying to prevent the loss of muscle, which he says, is "absolutely necessary
  for a long-term space program." The rate of muscle loss — including heart muscle loss — during spaceflight
  is so great, he says, that "unless this problem is solved, by the time an astronaut got to Mars he wouldn’t be
  strong enough to walk around or even to go out to repair the space vehicle if necessary."

Thanks for sharing the link, Larry. Now I feel real good about sitting on my butt here in chat.
lol
WT, lol, I got suckered into that one twice! already
I chose 3 hole cake.
wifey is making me the cake of my choice
Is it chemistry, physics, Materials, Chem Mech or Elect engineering
Any special plans?
thx gg
Happy B day WT!
I don't agree with some of what AARP does, but the insurance savings and other benefits make it worth it

There are no EESU students - makes it harder
similar, but it's more like pick three and tell them to write a compiler suite. Right out of college they won't
know that it takes 40 people 5 years to do it, they will just do it.
wt, you mean play Tom Sawyer painting the fence:)
thx
oh, and happy bday since no one else has told you that

On health matters, this is common sense, but good:http://harvardmagazine.com/2004/03/the-
power-of...
Do what we used to do. Get some college kids to do it and don't tell them it's hard.
What do you think?
nice pic p37
Een - PM tells me to quit my build a EESU quest
ditto, wt
I will never join AARP
yup
That explains a lot.
Diesel fumes........LOL
Diesel fumes is a major concern and may be one of the major factors in this type of brain problem.

Concussions can cause this brain damage and over exposure to toxins and pollution can also cause the same
type of neuron damage.
For you, WT. One of my favorites from TSM.
wt, you can now join AARP and get discounts
The wait list to see Carrick can be as long as three years, though in some cases, such as with Crosby, patients
can be expedited. By the time they met in Georgia, the reality of what Crosby could lose if he didn’t get better
soon was abundantly and uncomfortably clear: his career, his endorsements, the adoration of an entire nation.
Yet in many ways, the NHL’s golden boy was just like many people stuck in a concussion vacuum where
conventional medicine can’t readily cure the injury, leagues can’t easily curb it from happening and patients
and their families can’t know how long symptoms will last and what life will be like once they’re gone, if they
ever do go.

WE have talked about memristors on the site and basically this doctor tries to rework the brains wiring so it
can work around the damaged area. I need a memristor transplant. :)
I suppose anything is possible
Liberty Eenigma, press release Monday.............Perhaps within in a month 2...who knows
This treatment holds great promise not only for people with sport injuries like concussions, also for many other
type of injuries BUT what I am excited about is the potential for helping people with neurological diseases like
Neuropathy. I have this disease and so far no treatments, MS patients and many others with Environment
caused diseases should benefit in the future. Sid the Kid through searching out these types of treatments and
talking about it openly has given hope to many who had none.

Eenigma, press release Monday
wt
morning Eenigma
and PN
"Hey wait I said $10, this check is for $8" as I hurry out the door I will sing "senior discount" over my
shoulder.
hey hey good people
just demand it and pretend you can't hear them
I have never got a senior discount yet, is 55 old enough?
ha! convinced wife better to go get new strings of Christmas lights vs repair technician efficiency...

early bird special starts at 4:30, you're almost there man
thx eestatic
Happy bd wt, don't tax yourself blowing candles out..:
we called 12 hour shifts 'half days'
So then we worked half days for 6 months.
We missed so many (impossible) schedule deadlines that he made us all sign our name on the schedule and
post it in a frame on the wall.
Worst throwdown I saw ended with the division VP standing up in his chair screaming at us.

I was just reading how they fixed Sidney Crosby, he has neuron damage. His doctors contacted a
special clinic but Sid the Kid was turned down at first and then he contacted the doctor himself and
was put at the front of the line. Normally it takes over 2 years to see this doctor and his NEW
treatments for brain injuries.http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/11/03/rebuilding-c...

Yup!
best birthday gift in the world
thx Ken I'm thankful I have both
Happy Birthday WT! Enjoy the day in health and happiness.
I was pretty useless without schedule pressure
If they were marching toward a hard deadline from their burn rate, I hope they made it.
If they have any schedule pressure, it doesn't show.
I think it probably is ric
I wonder if good enough is the enemy of perfect in cedar park
I hold back, I can cripple people with words.
I guess you just need a Professional Ski Coach to scream at you - I leave scars
rephrase to no permanent hard feelings
settle it with white boards at 10 paces
wt - I don't know about the no hard feelings part - at least when I got done screaming
It only happens between the top technical guys and there is no hard feelings afterwards
It's like professional wrestling, lots of action but nobody gets hurt
I've seen some technical arguments escalate to shouting and name calling in the conference room back when I
worked for a startup.
Europe is totally broke - all economic foolishness will get the boot one way or the other over there

That breaks the dam to publishing for the non-conformists
climate gate 2.0 spells out what we already knew
In this issue - go read it
Science (the magazine) says AGW is a scam
Father -son stuff or coworkers?
then there is the new floating wealthy nations
you got that right PN
Small product development shop, folks get pretty close, like family, things get intense, people have emotions.

And we will be drilling fools
election
Right after the next electrion
What B called a throwdown might not be that bad. Nobody left (except Mort and CN).
All alternative energy stuff will be falling off the cliff - disappearing so fast
sea level world city tax funds pole freezers
Liberty, I prefer world wide A/C.
Technical disagreements or business?
solar powered polar ice makers for the polar bears
InWDC, not small if you multiply 100,000 by $100,000 and then some.
and keeping the south pole frozen will be a huge market
Is there internal conflict at EEStor?
electronic rifles - no hammer, firing pin, etc. No primer in the bullet.
new markets for energy storage will be never ending.
I need something with a shorter time line
The US military has around 1M men. At most ~100,000 are foot soldiers? That is a small market. Double it for
the world market size.
did pfuji ever show back up with more?
If it were easy we would have it already.
that's why I'm not doing it PN
I am 59
Its too hard boys
PN, ok we will wait till you change your mind.
don't give up PN, put it on a shelf for 10 years, that's what the pros did.
PM counsels that I do that too
Last nights chat was confusing. TMI? Or too much opinion?
thx EEME
Well - that is that - I officially give up on my EESU efforts
55, young whipper snapper. :) Happy Birthday WT.
now I'll just break their hearts
been there, done that
never play with red heads
O
we got at least an inch probably two
wt my boy, watch out, you'll grow up fast
Yup, we had some rain last night also but not enough to read on the guage.
yikes
WT, take care of yourself, 65 is around the corner
glorious rain all night
Still a young man, enjoy the times.
tie tack tasers and key chain jump starters
Wt got rain as a present for his trees
at 10x cost of Li but 50 yr life span should even out
Tasers without tether lines.
thx TB, I'm 55
Hey WT, Happy Birthday. Sorry it comes with one more year older. ;>)
taking over the universe
WDC, every soldier needs more power in less weight. and on and on
Antigravity transport systems
frickin lasers
frickin' lasers
Electric Boat batteries
thx mikewins
Happy happy WT
thx ric
Larry, there is a lot of talk on this blog about a high value military market. What is it the military would use
these for? Hand held radios? High energy weapons? Seems like a small market.

Happy bday wt
Money = freedom
DW doesn't seem to feel any schedule pressure, that alone will make any complex task expand.

Too much time/money to tinker
when did he get rid of the minivan?
B....what? what?
maybe it is fair to say dw has/had too much money
We typically had a 4 month development cycle for 2 weeks of coding a feature. Feature complete is far from
being released.
Not as sophisticated in process - but they know their costs and can't afford to take big risks
but you do have to wonder what is taking so long
eestorblogging around
ok
the typical cap/battery manufacturers are not as sophisticated
ok
Bc semiconductor people know about costs
If cost is 10x, military will pay happily, but forget cars, windturbines, small tools, etc
Why b?
thx hbert
I believe everything DW said. I think there is a hell of a lot to do besides getting the line working

I don't doubt the cost too much
However, with enough cash spent on process development - the cost can come down
Happy Birthday WT.
The cost is off by at least an order of magnitude - in the best case
damn, it's my birthday again already. Happy birthday me!
And Mrs. colorodo stops giving me the stink eye when the schwab statement comes?
without any special insight, I believe the science and doubt the cost
Fibb lives happily ever after
Cost is low - (I don't begin to believe this part of this possible story)
Cash goes to finishing product and building plant
If he can't estimate the schedule, why would you believe his cost estimates? throughput estimates? etc.

JK floats a new issue - we get diluted in half
Stock price goes through the roof - well to $10
giving up control would have brought more money
History of long delays, missed deadlines, failed estimates etc does NOT help DW get cash.
Now no nightmares.
A happy ending for us yah!
larry - from all accounts - DW never had any deals to make
PN, I do think that this story would have had it's conclusion long ago if DW made the deals necessary to get
adequate resources
Using a public company to raise funds is the cheapest source of capital available
It passes
Zenn sends it out for 3rd party testing
DW ships a unit to Zenn
The EEStory will not follow a plot line that any of us can imagine. IMO
Now we can have the perfect outcome story
From all accounts DW has found it much harder to raise cash than he expected
Will he grow up or take his basketball home.
I understand and do believe you have hit on one of the possible outcomes
Its all up to DW
Its made up - so it could go in many other directions
another good story PN
MUUUUUAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Y_Poor, I could light you up like a christmas tree right now ......but I won't.
the hero brought down by his tragic flaw which is an inherent part of his success...
hey sockpuppet
epic tragedy
Why do I think DW will be ornery enough that he kills it
Yep, not everybody at Normandy made it off the beach, but we still won the war.
Do it for your country DW
It fits with what B said....
well said Dave.
Dave - I was thinking that exact thing myself this AM
PN I think we might be waiting for DW to go through the 5 stages of grief befor he can give up EEStor and sell
it to GE.
they can do low vol to military while they ramp up
Money required vs Venture rate of return to get money vs Time = no deal
Back to counting.... later
Zenn and LightEvs, and maybe Lockheed Martin all think it's worth the wait.
PN comes up with viable business models every day and others...
Long long delay
Failure?
EEStor does not have a business model that works
think
Paul... rather than seeking a competing business model, why not thing "A Beautiful Mind" (movie) and do a
business model in sync with EEStor?
B kind of took care of the negative trigger last night
Any thought on DW self funding base on black sales at high prices?
;)
PN, is there a trigger word of some kind that will switch you to one of your other personalities? This one isn't
much fun ;
larry - I am only interested in successful commercialization
can't
Worse than that - when you are done - who will buy it at the price it will cost
If I believed that any problem I can solve can't be solved, I would give up on many ideas
sigh, I'd send you a 6 Um nugget of hope if I could.
You could probably talk me into it right now
Yes I know that, purity and flawless manufacturing are too much work for a small underfunded team.

So I am almost ready to give up on my EESU dream
There is none
colo - as you know - I have spent since april trying to find a business plan for a competitor that works

My depends coupon will expire before then.
That is bleeeeeeeeeek!
And we are 10 years from a liquidity event
At best we only get diluted by 10x
larry, thats wisdom...too simple..:0
The simple answer is no
Ok PN, you have clearly explained why we will stay in the limbo... Any ray of sunshine here?
after the greenhouse cliff hits
the lawyers continue to make the law more complicated so they are needed more and more to fight the
nuances. when will we learn and go back to justice instead of law :)
come out running but first make sure your laces are tied
don't fall on your butt, the big boys will eat you
If you have a defensible patent that someone might be infringing especially if a big $$ company is infringing
then no probs getting the money to go postal (legal wise) on the ass
Lawyers - hired guns and money time
emerging with high volume and high revinues will help with that
good to have a bag of trade secrets on top of it
So the true lessen here is it might be time for the mad scientist to step aside and let the big boys muck it up?

Patents are useless if you don't have the money and time to defend them.
"we can help Eestor with financing" - JK
not saying it's a patent issue but it shouldn't be completely dismissed either.
But its only a uninformed WAG based on looking at the patents
My best guess is much more
why do you think you don't get all the functionality you want in a single device? the producer didn't want to
pay the royalty for the function patent of another company. or they use it and get sued, or it's a stand off
because both parties have patents affecting the other. but a small company is more vulnerable because they
don't have patents used by their competitors. it happens all the time.

Could be much more - could be less - not even DW has a clue
they show it works, show it stands up to various testing (off the pro-duck-shun line), and the money should
not be a problem
200 million = 1 micron of progress?
Exc: agreed, but then it is just a matter of build out and the industry knows it.
the real question is why the f@#$ haven't we seen lab samples handed around
Its a unknown unknown
Chatters are down to 48
How much PN, 200 Million?
That money will then be trying to get into the new action.
I wish that were true. You can't replace millions with 10/day production line.
The line does not work reliably - how much to make it work reliably?
I'm not sure that he has to have millions in production capability right off the bat. The first one that hits the
market will kill all future investment in L-ion.
PN schedule is obviously crap and the patents show that there was no way in the universe they were gonna
get an eesu in 2007/2008
DW should hire Cott to take over operations.
So what comes first an NBA game or reveal?
he why'd sockpuppet log off
oh and of coarse sockpuppet
I have no position on anyone other than steve zawy sbk3000 ee-tom capman and maybe oakthinker

:]
lol lib
Schedule is cost
I choose to believe the science and void out the schedule
happens to small companies when big companies threaten to sue. injunction.
You can choose what you like to believe from the DW leaks
cracks
PN: Whatever happened to "off the shelf equipment"?
its trying to stop competitors that he is extending what he has
just takes one
dw's patent protection looks pretty good
I did it for control of the tri state area
Mark, I think you miss my position WRT PM. Then again maybe not.
I did it for my country
So really the main impediment to getting the essu into production is DW. He needs to retire.
Speed to market is everything, patents offer less protection than most people think.
davidg no
did I do it? yeah I did it
EESUinator
The line does not work reliably and DW is out of money
isn't it true that one relevant patent holder can halt the eesu commercial production? especially if they were
paid by the competition to deny dw the licensing.
it's all working
GE will build them. DW will sell them a license.
An EESU line
corporate inertia
But 150 mil is too little to scale
Sign over control - and OK
GE neeed 100 odd mill of that in paper work
No one anywhere
And who is lining up to give DW 150 million?
GE needed 150 million to start up a battery line - something way simpler than an EESU
its likely that the printing baking dicing area is where the hold ups are
at minimum his line has the production to the printhead done
good thing dw has years of experience getting disk drives into high volume production. and he says eesu's are
not as complex.
I hope they will get some help from someone big like GE when it comes time to scale up, they've got the
resources, if they will only stop short of eating EEStor for lunch.
But I have some experience here - and it always costs huge money
lol
Everyone jumps all over me when I say this
Has costs in the 100's of millions - with no knowledge of how many 100's
From my own work - this is so complex that getting a real production line of any volume
I'm in the story!
Yipeee!
oh good story time for real.
Then - you get into my made up story part
I keep seeing 'rights of first refusal'; did anyone find that 2005 incoroporation doc that spells out the rights of
preferred shares?
I think so PN, I am concerned that he is trying to fix a "last" problem on the cheap. The license for power tols
might be worth much less if it isn't fixed when he sells it
"if they get an eesu to work they can raise all kind of money , all none diluting"
But he thinks he might have a sale of something - not that DW knows anything about the selling cycle

DW could complete the line with the cash scrapped off the soles of Job's feet, if only he would play nice.
pfumojo seemed to think he is down to needing the 500K payment from zenn.
So DW is dithering till the last moment - he is comfortable will a small bank account
capacitor?
component?
layer?
"we now got it out there". the eesu or the component/layer? he had samples that kept permittivity for years.
what do these constitute? What do you call the smallest charge holding component?

When my code stuff is not working I am not eager to sell it either.
colo DeWalt
Right Colo, there is unlimited money for a new license if they can get it to work.
ffs its not difficult is it
I mean
He offers them 3rd party confirmation.
no where have I seen the obvious precaution for a damaged ev.... discharge the battery
No one is buying what DW is selling
Not if he sells a tool license to GE or B&D.
How does he raise money? What does JK offer to investors?
He doesn't need to sell anything if they can fix the MTBF problem, the hard part is they have to build one,
cycle test it and then examine it for problems, that has to take time.
DW won't 3rd party demo
Not if JK raises money to pay for an expanded license.
JK is stifled - KP will just exercise its right of first refusal
According to birdies
Pilots, atleast surviving pilots learn to be pretty meticulous.
DW does not know how to sell
B's quote about CN not wanting to work under him was telling.
Maybe he won't let them sell until it's perfect, that would fit with what we know about his personality

Colo - its mostly his problem self made
     nhtsa wrote:
     Chevy Volt owners whose vehicles have not been in a serious crash do not have reason for concern.

I'm sure JK could raise a bunch for him if he altered the license.
So slow ramp - but he can't get the sale
Unless there are 2 units in the wild and it took them 2 years to make them off the CP line!
Any sympathy for him PN or was this of his own making?
Possible, PN, but I still think he has other alternatives.
If
I there are units in the wild then they are getting money from somewhere
No one will let him out
Maybe
DW is in the funding box
Weare where we have been for 3 years, the science works, they are trying to mass produce it....

The "yes" was to a question/statement about DW. Like "DW is control freak". answ- yes
oh noes the battery caught fire 21 days after the crash when the testing baody failed to make the vehicle safe
after crashing it
DW really doesnt want to fall on hs but and your story months ago about MTBF fits pretty well
I think you are right PN, they have a problem they are working on right now,

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2011/11/nhtsa-o...
Twenty-one days after the 12 May 2011 testing, delayed thermal heating and pressure release resulted in a
fire that consumed the Chevrolet Volt and three other vehicles in close proximity at the test facility.

B's yes was not to question of eesu's in wild. but someone thought that and asked how many, B answered
more than one.
govt--iraq-oil
He has before.
PN: Why couldn't DW just have a contract with the gov.?
And DW loses control in any scenario involving investors buying stock
The add in is KP wants back in through its right of first refusal
The short form is - DW is out of money - the production line is not working reliably
But the big news needs much interpretation and filling in of detail - until it ends up a made up story.

elecric forklift baby its always been in plain sight Muhaha Muhahahahahahahahahahahha
WT knows but 'they' got to him thats why he just sips jacks and keeps his gun close
So the claim of a sighting in the wild is unconfirmed with a plausible non EESU alternative
So - We will see - is what I took as the answer to the in the wild question
I know that's what I was thinking too PN.
But the timing of the responses - it was not clear what question the Yes answer was to
oh noes Muffs been stanleyed !!!
that's what I got from it too
'course...bloggers/read....
can't f'in type this morning...
B said more than one was built - and perhaps in the wild
K thanks
thats what I read Muftee..
If so, that's the first time that I he has made that admission (at least as far as I can remember).

thought
Did B not say that he though that there were some in the wild?
B was informative
Chat last night
Its a real mess - with only one way out for DW - if he will take it
PN did you get the info from B from posts or email?
be = bed
Lie in be with VC's wake up with crabs.
Rights of first refusal really screw things up
first time in ages, woke up to rain...must mean EEStor reveal soon..
What a mess
But KP stands in the way of the happy ending
The happy ending would make EEd quite happy - will Dick choose it?
 But GM reiterated that its investment capital arm – GM Ventures – is also placing key bets in promising
 technologies and the company is working behind the scenes to be ready to compete with anyone

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/magna-e-systems-...
EEd - do you want the story to have a sad or a happy ending?
i think he will remain undetered.
damn, pageman21 has really been taking a beating today.
B gave a lot of raw material last night, I can use it for story time
tony was here!
gtg. breakfast with family.
we all hope you're right, peacekEEper. (soon being the operative word)
But this time one of the smart money guys is saying it. And I don't mean Grizz.
Of course I've been saying that for 3.5 years...hehehe
Thanks for the info tony, I got2go...I still think there will be an announcement soon to lift the price.

and there was a "wild" high on Tuesday when there was no trading in Canada (for Zenn)
Went right back down after that small block of shares.
but that can happen, especially with a very small float (only 37 million, total).
I noticed that, mostly just one small block.
when trading was halted on Tuesday, there was a large diff. in the "pre-open" bid/ask both in Canada and US,
but especially in the US
If it teetered back and forth.
Luckily the rates are pretty close, if they vary a great deal it would make sense to swap one for the
other....you could make quite a game of it.
Exactly correct, peacekeeper. Perhaps a very small arbritrage diff. from the actual exchange rate.

Well that's comforting, so the price variance should only be the direct result of the exchange rate (currently
.95 cdn/us $)
but each znnmf.pk share represents one share out of the 37,332,913 issued and outstanding shares.

something set up by the individual trading company?
These shares are also "widely distributed" to shareholders in the USA, and trade (some sold, same ones
purchased by someone else) in the US and in USA dollars.
the shares that trade in the USA (pink sheets) are simply from the Canadian company, but have been picked
up by a US based 'Market maker"
and i now have 2.53 times more of them
So who create the znnmf shares....and what is their value?
The shares "trade" on the Toronto exchange. znnmf.pk are simply a block of these shares
With respect to Zenn shares, Zenn Motor Company Inc. has 37,332,913 common shares issued and
outstanding.
Zenn will tell you that they are not listed in the U.S. hence why znnmf does not appear in any of the financials
etc.
scottrade has no suffix
cant we standardize?
I think its just znnmf.pk, don't recall seeing the others

http://theeestory.com/topics/8346
why is it znn.mf some sites and znnmf.pk others?
Let me look for a link where I did some research on that
I will....makes me kind of nervous now.
check with the OTC.
theory is you own a share representing a share of znn
Do I own part of the company or not?
So if I have znnmf, what value to I really have toward ZMC
They are only cdn based.
Zenn does not recognize znnmf as a stock. They have nothing to do with it.
When valuating, are both taken into account?
OK, I sometimes forget....so how does zenn spread the value between 2 stocks.
that's for znnmf. Znn is still 150kish
Remember that
I still think there's a rally out there waiting to happen.
Maybe those are some of the folks who got the rumor and have been holding down the stock.
Thats the lowest I've seen the shorts yet, a big drop from last time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technolo...
znnmf short interest to Nov 15, 2011


Click the link to get the report. Big file.
A little light reading with your morning coffee

http://www.altenergystocks.com/archives/2011/11...
lol
Now it's 2 people (I had to google it)
only in texas

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/25/texan_i...
Bloke claims ex swiped his sperm to make twins 'She would take the condom and run out of the room'

Max Mosley sues Google to block 'orgy' vid searches <---- wants to stop 3 people and 1 dog that hasn't seen
the video from easily finding
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/25/max_mos...
0_o
cheers to anyone still partying...I'm done
damn I just walked away from some bitch that wanted to fuck
In case you didn't know, I am the Eggman.
I see said the blind man to his deaf son as his lame children danced merrily on the floor.
he told a few days ago
Pageman's first name ist Albert
It's the ALL NEW FUTURISTIC WEAPONS Black Friday Roundup!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/25/thanksg...
Daniel R Plante yeah wasm, but hbert is insightful enough to have no excuse. He's been dissapointing me for a
couple years now, but the bits I read back on tonight took the cake. Pisses me off. I liked him.

just caught up with chat
hbert
who's albert ?
can't make an omlette with out breaking a sockpuppet DRP
night dan. laters all
k, l8r
tick tock Al, I want to make an omlette
"Albert" or whoever you really are, if you are as desperate as you seemed to be when I sampled your posts
over the previous, what - 5 hours in chat - mainly frantic appeals for validation from 3rd parties, to maintain
whatever rep you believe you have on this internet blog, well you might consider just logging out for a while
instead next time y'know? You betrayed how importatant your own percieved status on this blog was to you
and your goals by that endless and embarassing diatribe. Look dude, I understood your con 3 years ago. I've
seen it before. I wasn't going to say anything. Grown people have to make up their own minds about you and
I won't parent them and I don't betray bilaterally assumed confidence and privacy wrt emails. I understand
you count on that from decent people. But, a bit of advice: when you get irked when I disagree with you about
some subject, do not diss me and reference emails that were presumed private. That is extraordinarily
unethical, and quite frankly more than a little disturbing. So, you released me from my sense of honour about
private convos with you. Do you want to continue this convo?


hang on po, I want to enjoy this one.
thinkg I will make some popcorn
<shrugs> I should know better at my age. Guess I don't. Have fun.
Al, *yawn*
drp, maybe you should email h directly and tell him drp. Did you read the part where h got info from me
before the 10pm pr?
yeah :(
hell
yeah wasm, but hbert is insightful enough to have no excuse. He's been dissapointing me for a couple years
now, but the bits I read back on tonight took the cake. Pisses me off. I liked him.

just don't bs pm.
<shakes head> sighs. Sorry fellas, you are from a different world than me.
most have been polite enough to look the other way.
whatever
dude, there is a big gaping hole in your schtick that I could drive a Mack truck through, y'know? Or maybe you
really don;t know....
Al, you might want to consider laying it on a little less thick. Just sayin'
It pains me too.
You guys live very boring lives. Maybe you should look at yourselves in a larger context.
(sorry Y_Po)
I am not.
it pains me to agree with Y_Po LOL
Po, you have no clue.
Whatever, wasm. I'm just guessing.
It gives me the same data.
jesus
Can't guarantee that, but it seems likely.
Well factor in that I was most likely dropping clotting factor at Hamot medical center for some hemophiliac
amish kid. See what your GMT gives you then.
pageman99, I interacted with you, does not mean my opinion changed.
Ok, I accomplished my daily goal. l8rz, gents.
8-)
usage?
tense?
what, spelling error?
boo, wasm. Appropriate usage is amusing. Stretching not so much. 8-)
Po, stop pagemanning us.
Seems to me he said the technical people disagreed on how to 'get it out there'. Hence afrl and sandia.

Is that what you think he said?
Let me guess, they don't work. doh.
Tell me again about dipoles mr. physics.
I understand context.
Hardly.
That's different than a picture Po isn't it.
Po you moron, it does if you wanted a picture.
ok, thanks
Try bing wasm. Some find it better.
Sounds like an interesting story.
Po, I have an hd screen so it may be better than most.
Tired ~ I support her husband while it ran Dandong Wenzhou boss: it is hell to me by a friend today, 200,000,
I tangled up ~ 900,000 annual sales clerk to get the 1700 commission procurement diverted to foreign trade,
a single lost life savings 1 million, committed business woman purchasing a car factory to close down the
business, Shenma logic? Cousin $ 16 monthly salary, annual salary is 200,500 yuan a street vendor business
omelette, now worth millions 70 years old lady, my monthly income is 3

"Grandmother" looks a little funny, but translates fine.
Some numbers in there po but the characters are perfect.
btw, drp, congrats on your daughter.
po, it was perfect
Looks fine in chrome Po.
Tongue in cheek drp.
Y_Po, next time you see Eenigma, you should say to him: "Eenigma, I invent Pagemaning, thank me now"

nefarious?
:)
wasm that is fine.
And have gone beyond that to more nefarious things.
@page, don't worry, I will make sure B is up to date in GMT.
Nope, I'm here out of simple curiosity.
He's here to educate the unwashed!
Po, you think I'm here for admiration. lol, lol, lol
@pm, correct.
     b wrote:
     im trying to make sense of this wasm/pM debate. but i admit to being a bit under the influence.

Haven't had much use for Chinese fonts.
ok
He said he was drinking earlier wasm. I simply took him at his word.
Guess you can't get beyond dipoles Po. Oh well we knew you have outlived your usefulness here.

He did however provide new information for many here.
B did not spill anything. He was sober. How did you not recognize that PM?
belated. Sue me
And it's not a server.
No, Windows.
Too late, drp.
Happy Thanksgiving to all you USA weirdos by the way :)
T-Day was yesterday.
Tryptophan is evil.
:)
Yep, drp. b spilled quite a bit though didn't he.
does american turkey dinner have this effect?
ta da
So can you get beyond dipoles Po?
weird Friday night
And Po is full of himself.
Po you are stuck with dipoles.
wasm 8-)
Po, the science works. Ask Pettey.
lol
but only twice, including this time by pm
hmmm I don;t fEEl any different
Eenigmaing has been used as well today drp.
yep, you have been pagemanned!
now?
pageman is a verb ow?
wasm give me the wayback line number or whatever it's called. Now you have me curious. 8-)

:)
Po, you get a pass cause you have not been pagemanning us all day.
jeez, still at this? I sampled back a long ways.... gawd :)
I know. Just figured you might have something to talk about with B.
um
Po, he ain't out theory wise. Big difference.
Dan, where is my brown paper bag, carefully vacuumed packed and smuggled across the border?


Carl Nelson is out    ☠" for ages
I roxorz
Not 10#'s again drp. You're gonna die!
kettle, dude!
Buffalo chips?
home made chips! :)
page, it is always this way with you. please reconstruct.
And I'm sorry that you feel that way.
wasm. Read what I just said. I could reconstruct it, but you don't really care. You've gone onto religion phase.

You had a helicopter and the pilot flew while you posted?
I generally take those types of trips if I'm nearby. I don't remember the circumstances, but I'd guess I was in
Erie or the like when I decided to go further.
B says CN is OUT, but I'm saying that out of context. :)
Wasm you have assumptions in there.
when you explain how you drove from home to dawin martin house in record time, and viewed the property,
had lunch, what ever, and posted nearly the whole time in chat while driving at record speed, I will have more
respect for you. Good?
ok
Ah never mind.
Interpretation I disagreed with vehemently.
no, his facts are NOT FACTS
thub has predjudices of his own yes. His facts seemed right.
If you think he was correct, that explains a lot.
A lot of us against them.
thub is thub. He was way off on CN.
I don't see much of that here at times.
Try to be objective.
btw, thub was right about the CN phone call wasn't he?
not amusing, amateurish.
Yes I am wasm.
He threw it together. I found it amusing myself.
lol, you are a piece of work pm. wow
In fact, I found it amateurish.
Resumes at night can cause indigestion.
It verifies everything I've said wasm. If you choose to believe w/o facts fine. I'll just ignore. One can't argue
religion.
I will read it again in the morning, but I doubt it will do more for me then.
I read the resume. It did nothing for me.
Which resume is this?
... ok, perhaps, not personal feelings... but failings.
Just read the resume and tell me I'm full of shit or not then.
you have already proven that incorrect.
wasm, try to ignore my personal failings, of which I have many. If you stick to substance we'll be fine.

Not so of:
Pageman99, your condescension and mistrust comes thru in your first email to me. No so of PN, DAP, EEv,
and others.
  pageman99 wrote:
 wasmaba, I hope you have the courtesy to keep his name confidential.
Nah.
how about very very very small cracks?
As drp sorta said consistency is an issue. But to me homogeneity is the biggie. I think they have densification
down. But that's just a guess based on my work.
And imo DaveM, cracking shouldn't be an issue.
thanks
And what he just said.
Shere
sk?
What CN had could get you to sk. The rest is engineering improvements.
Close to gasoline and probably better than ethanol
Doesn't apply imo, scupper.
So if Lucas Pettey took CN's process far beyond what CN thought was possible, how far beyond the original ED
are we?
Thanks for all the information B. Greatly appreciated.
Pettey is an inside man. Read his thesis farm. You should be able to understand it. It's mostly math
manipulation.
CN did, LP made it better from what I understand
Read the resume wasm. It's just a small piece in this story we call EEstory.
*asploded
did petty solve densification?
Tks B.... u da man....
It restores as loses heads
I have the defibbulator on stand by
nt Fibb
Careful wdscience. 8-)
night Fibb
they're pagemanning you Fibb
nite Fibb
Yes, you should fibb.
GN all
better stop then.
LOL
lol, don't push it.
what what?
second that :)
TY
Fibb, you are amazing.
mjt, no biggie, so would I, even at my tender years :)
Bernie should write a book
can't imagine the stress involved at eestor
Why isn't CN listed on any of the SEC docs then? He's walking away from billions?
Fibb, that was my working assumtion, yeah
probably business/reveal related Dan
um, that's not good
Well, I guess you would know better based on your interviews.
B, is DW waiting for CN to die?
b, disagreements were tech/science/process related?
Thanks again for CN research.
Night B
oh man...
he's out bc he is too old to fight with dick about things like how much ammonia goes into a particular stage in
the eestor process
good night B, Thanks
night B
GN B
nite b
  pageman99 wrote:
     Contrary to popular opinion pm is no fool.
We' have to the defibbulator
I hope they are involved.
good night fellow seekers of truth
And carries a lot of weight.
And yet...CN is out.
btw folks SGS is international.
Fibb is going to Fibb out
Yes it does b.
wow, talk about speaking in the 3rd person!

http://theeestory.com/topics/2281?page=1#p37177
it all goes back to CN
Way ahead of his time b. Way, way ahead.
shit I'm going to forget all this in the morning. eestor memory banks are already full.
he represents the foundation and core of the eestor story
It's way cool how isostatically compressed rock (ceramic) can hold such high energy density
CN was the real deal
Contrary to popular opinion pm is no fool.
B gets creds for that :)
mofos were comparing DW and Cn to crackpots like Rossi
:)
CN's other paper is amazing too.
hell yes it was
who hit pm charm button?
b did excellent work at mit.
good point was that '63 paper was key
:-)
That paper was amazing
LOL, drp.
o f course i did bitches who forget
thanks for the link pageman
\o/ I was right!
10 10 10
B, has the suited comp to do it.... done IT...
yes, B did.
B did
@DRP, yes.

http://theeestory.com/files/Carl_Nelson_1963_pa...
Well beyond he thought possible is how many times originally stated ED?
heck, when = went
oh, you mean who got it for us? b, right? From the archives at MIT?
Who when to MIT and procured it?
His Mother
the Authour? CN
Who brought us CN?
ok Dave
come on boys... who did that work?
when I find out I'll let you know Dan
uuuuhhh ... I don;t remember :(
Hey... who brought us the 63 paper?
I thought thubten had one. :)
Any more geniuses in the cedar park stable?
Dave, where, how, what size and why?
:)
ty, cpi??
wasm, yeah I'm jealous :)
more than one
really small cracks Dan
Dan, B may have the only contemporary interview of substance with CN. I hope there are others.

not cracking
densification for sure, but cracking is a concern.
yay we are having a thunderstorm in Texas!
Any guesses as to how many have been built b?
key point definitely is both DW and CN praise LP
i dont know the timelines
Pettey could solve their problems
yep. I'd surely like to have a coffee with Carl
and DW has said similar things
Pettey was there before 2006?
he said he took his processes and pushed them well beyond what CN thought was possible
Pettey is brilliant.
Cn was very complimentary towards Lucas Pettey
Petty? Yes, that's my sense. Very adept.
that is good to hear B
yes
oh my. ah ah. nice
smoking!
CN??
very high
high praises
he sang high praises for Lucas Pettey
thanks, B nice to get some raw meat to chew on
nite b
he would know based on his prior experience
night b
Here's the thing - first I have to acknowledge that I don't have first hand exposure to DW and/or a lot of
EEStor tech dev details, but having said that, based on what I do know, I would do what DW is doing based on
business strategy constrained by how I thing the tech is at this point.
good night crazies
You might think that b, but more importantly, why?
So, how would CN know anything about the permittivity/performance of current devices if he no longer works
there?
e
we shall se
Thanks again!
What other significant divorces?
yes
B - do you think there are any EESU's in the wild?
yep
06'? Guess he just provides the occasional John Hancock now and again?
DW control freak
drove him crazy
CN told me he could work with DW as a coworker no problem...but not as an underling
still using CN for credibility....yet CN had already departed. not a lie...but not the exact truth either

What caused them to part ways?
b, DW isn't any more horrible on time lines for delivering a oreviously non-existant device/product than I am. I
have some stories if you want to get a gut level understanding of the realities.

strange no one picked up on DW's referece of CN in the 2009 audio
age related or other
Oops, divorces
speaking of Tyler, was one f the splits when kp sold part share to Long?
Was that one of the divorses?
has been since 2006
CN is OUT
no
is CN still involved?
as tyler said in his book...dw was late in his titanium disk project...missed multiple deadlines
that has certainly been proven time and again
UL would do it, yes. Depending on what details are on the mandated sticker on the product
Do you think he really writes patents at night, or just can't read clocks or calendars?
horrible
oh he is horrible on timelines
And if they didn't things they said would
So they can capture critical market share before alternatives grab it first
No opinions needed to say that DW expected to move faster. At least that is what he said.
we have some eestor divorces that have raised some questions
TY B.
tf, if employees left, they would wash up on our shore
imo eestor could move faster
Certifying a process is damn difficult work and expensive
In your opinion is DW weighing the progress down?
some evidence suggests maybe UL certs are done....not conclusive...we'll await confirmation...but also not
impossible
i think that is what eestor needs
B, have any employees left, over the differences of opinion, over the past year, and has anyone new come on
board?
they focus on production more than safety
b, at this point, considering the history, the validating entity will have to be world-renowned IMO

as was pointed out previously here by other folks..SGS is such a copmany....slightly different focus than UL

We seem to forget the consequences of a fully functioning product as per stated claims. They actually are
world-changing.
I haven't heard any facts supporting the failure side
Unless required by law, failure rarely comes with an announcement.
Thanks b
pn, he will prove his production line works. via a company suited to do that
At some point they need to come out, either wih success or failure
But, I would err on the side of caution, stealth, and getting ducks in a row.
mjt, dunno. Depends on a lot of details that DW/EEStor has access to and I don't.
mj, boo. LOL
and wrt dirty business tricks of well-heeled adverse interested parties
Could additional funding aid in those difficulties? I say take from the 1% and add some more jobs. :)

timing wrt competition
but as I mentioned to pgl, if I was dick weir I might not yet release that info based on my evaluation of
current status of longevity/reliability, and safety
If eestor is trying to solve major problems at this point why would JK join Zenn?
Drp, but it has been so long. At some point the wright brother did take their contraption out to a big flat field

So B from the financial limits combined with the production issues - what do you think DW will do?

OK. I've been pretty roundly criticized for suggesting that in the past.
mjt, measured 3rd party proff of concept? Of course.
pgl, business strategy
safety...
Proof of concept would now be considered adequate for additional funding?
after that, the distinction can only be cost, reliability/longevity, and safety
Other companies demonstrate, so why not eestor??
of course.
Production details aside
believable 3rd party validation of the tech.
10 cents or 10 dollars.
wt - yes, I believe that is the current squeeze that will drive near-term events
Lets do our best not to ask a clear question
B, do you think eestor is running around in circles at the moment?
Do you think I have made a claim along those lines, B?
i gotta go. too many liars in chat now. dont want to push the total over a threshold..:-)
that Sandia and AFRL endorsement would sure come in handy right now for them if they are running out of
cash
Let's be clear: if you can produce a lab sample, you can "mas" produce. The cost per kWh might be insane,
but you can mass produce, if you had a thousand stations, in a thousand labs. The bottom line, if a sample has
existed, is solely cost.
of course he is pn
thanks for being HONEST
B - is DW running out of cash any time soon?
ah, ok
drat
I've never made any claims along those lines.
otherwise you are pagemanning us
be specific
Promises of fantastic wealth unrealized is ample cause for that
just say this if the facts support it, " i met with DW and he seemed incomptent because..."
the small yield makes them each worth much more maybe way more than a car can support economicaly

mjt, now or in the past, what would be the relevant distinction wrt a sample that would validate the
technology?
I would like to know who he was talking to, and when
"we've now got it out there" "it's all working"
The fact is eestor has been going a long time with empty promises. Anyone feeling unsatisfied could let
something leak through any of a number of channels
the position whereby you claim DW is utterly incompetent
Has DW ever claimed to have a working device now ?
not for me though, if I had been working there more than a month or so
for most people
if it is yield tehn some good units are out there. and even one is miles above every other tech so they are
golden because yield is so small
mj, sure, depends on position mostly
What position?
Perhaps, but only if you are privy to what is in DW's head.
mjt, why dont you simply lay out your position?
or NADA
which if you add an A = NADA
ive pointed out that my sources at cormack say JK wont talk and cites NDA
mjtimber, I would
so if it is production it is yield correct you think they are getting some good units
 SK wrote:
 I'd think we would have leaks by now if eestor was fos
What would this leak say, who would say it, and why?
i would welcome info on those conversations
some people have said they have spoken with JK about EEStor
they need eev
97% sure
yes, production only
If it wasn't for zenn very very few would give a rats ass about DW or eestor
not basic science
production
son of a good friend of mine I told him to email you to get access to theeestory
I'd think we would have leaks by now if eestor was fos
@ B friend who emailed you today about lunch was confused thought you were DW
Tim?
Think I will go read Tims resume.
That he won't talk to you any more, so how long has it been?
:)
I am a ah, ah, hell.
I'm
I'm just a technologist! :)
why pay attention to that?!
You notice I including an assumption there
oh he is horrible on timelines
And if they didn't things they said would
So they can capture critical market share before alternatives grab it first
No opinions needed to say that DW expected to move faster. At least that is what he said.
we have some eestor divorces that have raised some questions
TY B.
tf, if employees left, they would wash up on our shore
imo eestor could move faster
Certifying a process is damn difficult work and expensive
In your opinion is DW weighing the progress down?
some evidence suggests maybe UL certs are done....not conclusive...we'll await confirmation...but also not
impossible
i think that is what eestor needs
B, have any employees left, over the differences of opinion, over the past year, and has anyone new come on
board?
they focus on production more than safety
b, at this point, considering the history, the validating entity will have to be world-renowned IMO

as was pointed out previously here by other folks..SGS is such a copmany....slightly different focus than UL

We seem to forget the consequences of a fully functioning product as per stated claims. They actually are
world-changing.
I haven't heard any facts supporting the failure side
Unless required by law, failure rarely comes with an announcement.
Thanks b
pn, he will prove his production line works. via a company suited to do that
At some point they need to come out, either wih success or failure
But, I would err on the side of caution, stealth, and getting ducks in a row.
mjt, dunno. Depends on a lot of details that DW/EEStor has access to and I don't.
mj, boo. LOL
and wrt dirty business tricks of well-heeled adverse interested parties
Could additional funding aid in those difficulties? I say take from the 1% and add some more jobs. :)

timing wrt competition
but as I mentioned to pgl, if I was dick weir I might not yet release that info based on my evaluation of
current status of longevity/reliability, and safety
If eestor is trying to solve major problems at this point why would JK join Zenn?
Drp, but it has been so long. At some point the wright brother did take their contraption out to a big flat field

So B from the financial limits combined with the production issues - what do you think DW will do?

OK. I've been pretty roundly criticized for suggesting that in the past.
mjt, measured 3rd party proff of concept? Of course.
pgl, business strategy
safety...
Proof of concept would now be considered adequate for additional funding?
after that, the distinction can only be cost, reliability/longevity, and safety
Other companies demonstrate, so why not eestor??
of course.
Production details aside
believable 3rd party validation of the tech.
10 cents or 10 dollars.
wt - yes, I believe that is the current squeeze that will drive near-term events
Lets do our best not to ask a clear question
B, do you think eestor is running around in circles at the moment?
Do you think I have made a claim along those lines, B?
i gotta go. too many liars in chat now. dont want to push the total over a threshold..:-)
that Sandia and AFRL endorsement would sure come in handy right now for them if they are running out of
cash
Let's be clear: if you can produce a lab sample, you can "mas" produce. The cost per kWh might be insane,
but you can mass produce, if you had a thousand stations, in a thousand labs. The bottom line, if a sample has
existed, is solely cost.
of course he is pn
thanks for being HONEST
B - is DW running out of cash any time soon?
ah, ok
drat
I've never made any claims along those lines.
otherwise you are pagemanning us
be specific
Promises of fantastic wealth unrealized is ample cause for that
just say this if the facts support it, " i met with DW and he seemed incomptent because..."
the small yield makes them each worth much more maybe way more than a car can support economicaly

mjt, now or in the past, what would be the relevant distinction wrt a sample that would validate the
technology?
I would like to know who he was talking to, and when
"we've now got it out there" "it's all working"
The fact is eestor has been going a long time with empty promises. Anyone feeling unsatisfied could let
something leak through any of a number of channels
the position whereby you claim DW is utterly incompetent
Has DW ever claimed to have a working device now ?
not for me though, if I had been working there more than a month or so
for most people
if it is yield tehn some good units are out there. and even one is miles above every other tech so they are
golden because yield is so small
mj, sure, depends on position mostly
What position?
Perhaps, but only if you are privy to what is in DW's head.
mjt, why dont you simply lay out your position?
or NADA
which if you add an A = NADA
ive pointed out that my sources at cormack say JK wont talk and cites NDA
mjtimber, I would
so if it is production it is yield correct you think they are getting some good units
     SK wrote:
     I'd think we would have leaks by now if eestor was fos
What would this leak say, who would say it, and why?
i would welcome info on those conversations
some people have said they have spoken with JK about EEStor
they need eev
97% sure
yes, production only
If it wasn't for zenn very very few would give a rats ass about DW or eestor
not basic science
production
son of a good friend of mine I told him to email you to get access to theeestory
I'd think we would have leaks by now if eestor was fos
@ B friend who emailed you today about lunch was confused thought you were DW
Tim?
Think I will go read Tims resume.
That he won't talk to you any more, so how long has it been?
:)
I am a ah, ah, hell.
I'm
I'm just a technologist! :)
why pay attention to that?!
You notice I including an assumption there
@drp, but you are smart.
This is such a complex production process - fear of the process breaking is hard to overcome.
I would say process based parametric variation and MTBF
did not lose recipe
CN left and they lost the recipe?
How long has it been since DW shut off the special access info tap on you B?
cracking? voids? MTBF?
there we go, B being honest.
pn, originally, i figured biz reasons....but by this point, you have to add technical reasons
he has a fragile butt, he is over 70
Yes, time does march on
he doesn't want to fall on his butt
So why is DW holding back B?
based on the calendar
taa and pgl, good questions.
sorry for my spelling lens
sure
Are you somewhat pissed at or dissolusioned of DW b?
i think they would have contacted me if so
Dinners up and the polls have closed so go to go and observe if we have regime change.
no taa
cn maybe
b, do you know if anyone has left eestor because of internal strife
What I would give for a couple cold beers right now
:-)
not when i can have powers irish whiskey
Well, fair enough......and scotch?
:-)
well, it is what it is I suppose. people are VERY complex :)
drunkeness
boredom
What motivates you to stir the pot B?
Why has the video re-surfaced? Was it not discredited by DW/
yes, i am mr eestor
Yeah, Dan, I thought not.
that is where we are friends
I was actually focusing on hbert's posts tonite
that i dont fall on my but and have to rework something
and all of us
not really interested in that, Albert
:-)
good for you...protecting democracy
feel older :-)
Son voted for the first time today
Gn.
So in addition to being a compulsive tinkerer, is DW also a super control freak?
:-)
It's ok drp I know what I'm doing.
hey Am
lots of interpersonal contention tonight eh?
'It's all working"
ty
It's an awesome vid
@page, OK. not problem.
Very new to me, fascinating.
cutvery different designs, I should ask the groom's mom about that.
That was at wasm.
Well renewed my right to complain for the next three years
b....are these issues resolved
b only. Please respect Tim's privacy.
did i do it? yeah, I did it.
Yeah, ty DRP. :)
"we've now got it out there"
hey, a chick with the Mehndi tatoos :)
pageman99, I have not read your email yet, is it ok if I send it to B? How about DRP?
yes
an artist
who made it b?
i'm trying to save my country


more answers=more questions
Why are you spilling this now b?
staff ? ....everyone on board now ?
sec
Go ahead and scan...
b, can you give an example?
hey wasm :)
sec, scanning back a bit.....
Nice to see you Dan.
huh
?
makes no sense yet
Iove this conversation:-)
i can confirm that some info coming from eestor' employees is BS
this website adds some heat to the pressure cooker
Father and Son?
who will reveal what when and why
very familial
who will talk
huge throw down...
very insulated
very small
think about the nature of an organization like eestor
no
AFRL stooge pissed off DW?
about what you see in the sandia and AFRL foia's
inside eestor
there was a huge throwdown 1 yr ago
stealth or death
nice
dick pulled that plug...for reasons i can't locate...but which skeptics are welcome to fill in with the idea the
tech doesnt work....something i will never believe
but not w DW?
we love that shit
the idea to satisfy an org like sandia and afrl was big among eestor techies
yes
now this is news.....
not everyone inside eestor agrees with what and how eestor is progressing
thanks b
wow
the 2nd split happened as a result of not satisfying AFRL and Sandia
BOD stress
let him talk!
show or don't show strategy?
Yiles!
I can guess at one of them b - what is the other?
permittivity was a big deal
thx B
go b
there have been 2 internal splits inside eestor that I am aware of...where by split i mean specifically situations
with undue emotional stress causing diverse strategies for moving forward

got to be more to that story
not according to govt sources wt
Why?
it didn't?
i hope so wasm
but that didnt materialize
B, the Holidays are here. It will all come together brother.
say=saw
in 2010, we say EEStor inviting 3rd parties to a controlled test situation.
ive had some other experiences relevant to this topic
:-) jk
WT like between you and your wife on your merits
out of sync?
B, thank you. Seriously.
DW and CN are not in sync
nice
ive had several long discussions with carl nelson
i'm fighting it
all my info is post reveal...i hope
movie time then GN
i know i owe everyone a blog post --sigh--
:) good
well done sir
oh shit, fibb, you did crack me up
WT yes that would do it
Now
I just watched 'The Social Network'. No I am worried about JK.
tp yt?
scroll
me
srry, who was talking to me?
thx

http://theeestory.com/topics/9494
No.
dfw, at hells heart
If I scroll back will I find pfujimototo page 6?
wut?
'the vents are black because nobody is willing to clean them off. they think that's beneath them since they all
own ZNN shares and know what they will be worth'
Paramount moves 'Star Trek' 3D sequel back 11 months
Night tp.
Me too. Goodnight all.
wasm, answer my question please. Has everything I've written about my PSU college roomie proved true?

night hbert, feel free to use the wayback machine like I did.l
G'night h. I'm obviously the fool here. 8-)
Goodnight.
GN h
Well, too late for me. Good night all.
'Bernie has a bit of a cocaine habit but he's funding it well by selling eesu secrets to China'
Stick to what's important wasm, please.
wasm, has everything I've written about my roomie proved true?
I mean, I sign in like everyone else and agree not to. :)
8-) tp.
y'know shit like that
Read the resume wasm.
  Fibb wrote:
  make it a whopper
In the current chat context of anti-pagemania the use of the word "whopper" might perhaps be a little
unfortunate?
'Carl called Dick up and said. HOLYCHRIST Dick... what the F are you waiting for?'
OK, to be more specific, do I have permission to release almost unusable static data from a specific day, wrt,
pageman?
'DW has shingles.... hasn't written a patent AT NIGHT for days'
make it a whopper.... spill spill spill
B. Surely there's some oldish investigation not quite concluded you can report on.
we need a blog post B. Being the eestorblogger isn't all hams and plaques you know
lol, tp.
B, do I have your permission to release the data from way back when?
I was asleep until all the noise from the chat room woke me up!!!
Then read it please.

Feds open 'formal safety defect' probe into Chevy Volt
Thanks TP, I already have it... :)
fibb, relax, it's a slow night and this has been bugging wasm for years.
where's the beef?
thepagemanningstory.com
Technopete ===a==t== bariumtitanatemechanism.com
Different state though.
:)
@taa, there is a distinction this time... and pageman just perverted it. jeeze
Nah, dfw, you work where my old roomie did.
email it to me and i'll convert to pdf
I sent it so you should have it right in the email now wasm.
wasm. In which case it may fail again. If it is .docx send it to me and I'll convert it to a PDF.
no higgs? == standard model is screwed?
Yeah, taa. But this time with wasm, and I'm giving them more of what they want.
@TP, I will try google docs again... failed last time.
hmmm....this conversation looks familiar :-(
I read, I chat, I listen to my music, I watched hockey and football, I did some volunteer work today. I helped
the gf with a few things. I drove up to the lake. What did you do today b?
come on
fibby. make me laugh man.
Fibb, multitasks too.
wasm, er upload it to Google docs which can probably cope with it?
.
pageman, if you are unwilling to click on links here on this site, how could you expect users here to open word
files from you in email.
I have no idea. I multi task. How many times do I have to say that?
where the F is your lab? the particles are calling for you to test them I think
seriously

Shall I assume you don't want me to post the rest? Here's the link - Matilda Who told Lies, and was
Burned to Death by Hilaire Belloc. It's very entertaining if you don't know it (or even if you do).

holy shit PM. how long have you been in chat today?
I sent it as an online doc tp. That should work.

CERN Physicists: Higgs Boson Might Not Even Exist
I'm working on two fibb. I posted one for eev earlier and started on Amos Walker short stories.

PM how many books have read today?
thx
PM. If it is a .docx file then you can do a Save As as a .pdf file.
true TP
hbert, of course you are. always will be. make a poster out of this message. peace!
lol, pete
I only have it in word. I can send it as a hotmail file. I think. Or maybe cut and paste. I dunno.

B. You can't ban bullshit around here. There would be very little left!
establish your credibility
it's your opportunity to prove yourself without using bullshit

♫ Grooveshark: Will it go round in circles ♫
no PM it has nothign to do with it being my site
hey pageman, can you send me that file as a pdf and not a word file? Thanks.
You don't believe dap b?
And I thank you for it.
you have public funds. ok. then let th public see
b, king of the website? I thought that was I.
B did you notice how I slammed the eeeevil pageman?
b, it's your site.
  Hilaire Belloc / wasm / B wrote:
  Matilda told such Dreadful Lies,
  It made one Gasp and Stretch one's Eyes;
  Her Aunt, who, from her Earliest Youth,
  Had kept a Strict Regard for Truth,
  Attempted to Believe Matilda:
  The effort very nearly killed her,
  And would have done so, had not She
  Discovered this Infirmity.
stop telling them what to think
There it is, the reason for all this nonsense.
let people make up their own minds
and stop describing it as such
if you want to be the king of this website then fucking produce something tangible
Yep.
pageman, you are a fool

Japan collab transmits record data speeds on terahertz waves
in a pageman kinda way
Yes, dfw, I'm spinning my wheels here.
pageman, if you delivered a plate of truth, I would have it scanned for nuclear emission
And highly illogical.
this seems unproductive
Oskar tell them they are nuts. They ignore facts.
Y'all can go pageman yourselves.
Circles.
pagemanning him is funny
he's funny
it's fun
Sorry, my mistake.
i like to pageman fibb
ah shit
I thought you wanted truth b.
lol
look pageman. everyone pageman's. ok, we get it. but few pageman so emphatically, continually and without
any relief for those being pagemanned. we're simply asking for some mercy.

nah
wow
thx
Hell, I guess I should check email. Fibb, what do you think?
whoa!
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PM how many siblings?
stick a pageman in it it's done.
:)
wrong
total pagmanning!
quit fighting or I'm gonna drop a pageman on y'all
Then read it.
pageman, you are in no position to pageman Wasm like that!
I will later. Thank You.
I never thought I see you lose control like this.
@pageman, I have not read the email.
wasm, you are drunk.
stop pagemanning me pageman!
wasm, you choose to ignore h's testimony on something that shows I had knowledge that very few had?

:-) cabbee
k
lets talk pfuji anouncement this wee.
still gets me lol
:-)
hey cabee
page, I try not too. Hence, I noticed when you claimed the impossible.
yeah quit making me unhappy.
dont pageman your conversations with me
wasm has been dying to question me on this stuff for years now. So I submitted to that.
B, whearing anything good lately :)
you are trying to pageman everyone out of their happiness it seems
yeah get control of yourself man
I have had conversations b.
get control of yourself
wasm, you ignore so many facts.
pagemanning the shit out of the chat room today for God's sake man
siblings PM?
@pageman, LOL, the blog posted your timing. LOL
Yet he chooses to ignore the testimony of those here who he respects.
pageman, maybe wasm is saying it merely because you have been in the chat room for 10 hours today
spewing God knows what
He has detailed files on the whole event.
oops buck....no disrespect
B, good song. love dwight and bick
wasm thinks I posted the timing of a trip to Buffalo incorrectly here. So he questions everything I've ever said
here.
My roomie's neighbor.
ah, that makes perfect sense. "I do not trust you pagemen" crystal clear.
Obviously wasm. But why does it matter so much to you? I'm sure others here don't believe me.

PM how many siblings do you have if you don't mind?
im trying to make sense of this wasm/pM debate. but i admit to being a bit under the influence. can someone
summarize?
I trust several here, just not you.
pageman, I have already made it clear that I do not trust you.
:-)
No, his neighbor whom I've met and chatted with is CTO for one of the kpcb funded startups is in Canada on a
regular basis. You want to question me on that too wasm?
Opps my battery is going dead. Nite all.
uhhh eerrrrrr
prove it.
She's HOT
I have a girlfriend in Canada
Does he live in Canada too?
roomie has nothing to do with it
btw, he was best man at my wedding too. 8-)
Heeman, I've posted many things about my roomie that seems like nonsense but is all true. wasm I asked you
to tell me if I lied about my college roomie.
You guys are too funny.
Clearly you did. You going to call me out too?
What did you have it on microfish? lolololol
really?
Wtf is going on here?
Tell me I lied about that.
Don't push me on this again.
You sent him your college roommates resume? LOLOLOLOLOL
wasm, read the resume.
Pageman, nonsense, you clearly lying?
He's just pushing my buttons now h. He got my roomies resume doing it.
?
wasm, are you going to post your data or not.
lol
:-)
xoxo
kiss my ring
such is my prerogative as ruler of this universe
I just completed a full session of hugs and kisses.
Hey PM, data is not crazy.
and ban you again if i am not pleased
wasmaba, there is no law against typing and driving in Pa.
wasm, I don't have an answer to that one.
Heeman, I havent noticed your good behavior. do you have links to prove it? I will read them very closely.

Lock him up! Who are we talking about?
bah, you are simply crazy at this point wasmaba. Ignoring important stuff to focus on nonsense.
@hbert, so PM is a criminal? :)
wrt, PM blogging while driving I was here when he drove to sees exec and eeventually and know from their
follow up post that PM was doing as he has stated.
Sent wasmaba. Note he worked for LM and every damn thing I've said about him is true.
B, pageman was FOS wrt driving to the Dawin Martin house. Impossible. Bent?
Unless you are a murderator now.
Is that heehaw?
:-) let's go!
Yahaa


no he doesn't HEEman
B keeps giving me rolling baneouts so I have to be nicey nice.
lol
XOXOXOXX
hey B I am trying not to be too harsh on Pageman.
everyone needs a hug
B did you see how nice I have been and trying to spread love and joy?
hola
Oskar, 98% of the outer circle agree....imo
friends
wasm, why?
That does not change my perspective.
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