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Mail Rav. do        , U [ 1 V 0 1 1 1 to do sollicthilm" Do you
                                                                  1.13: l low long have you been working                               bother [lie at all, In 'a vvav, lie's like all objeel.
vvaltt to ego out'? lvliere do ,oti maiit to _;u? Tel the                                                                              You calf look at hhil and say. how aill I goinll i t ) 11
Park') Or do you want to go to the beach? Or. do                  wish Marl Ray?                                                       SC you, whereas v oil call'( wi1I1 U lie rs-o11. L13:
you want to see Gavle'? Where's Gayle'? Or liars                  WW: Whe11 we moved to California ill 1')70                           But unlike :ill object lie obviously can respoild to
Ray do you want to sec Judy? Or hovv shout                        1-13: ('an you speak up'?                                            you a lid sonic of the most hilarious tapes are
Teddy'? Mars Rav. do voal vv;mt to see I eddy'? Or                WW: No. We got a dog when we moved to                                lllow where [lie gap between hulnall thinking :Iltd
do you wall t to stay there? Ol do you want to come               California because we had a big space or we                          dog-type thinking seems to have been ehntiliated.
here" Mars Rav. Mars Ray. 5ta,. Do y - ou want to                 decided it wouldn't be l o c i difficult. L4 'e picked               WW: lle doesn't respcmd to 111y Iookitlg:1t 11il11
( i t ) tai see Gavle? L}'you vvallt to ( _ P O to see
                                                                  hi111 o1I[          o f a litler iIt Lom-, B e a c h . Compared In   ant! llavinT.: design~ on 11 ill                       ulterior
Teddy'? 1}o you want to T1o see Judy' L]ta you want
                                                                  rile other puppies ill 111C litter he acted sirallgc                 illtitive,Yetu Carl ntallipill:lte Ilim so that he
to Too tie e GaNIC'? 1)+i you want to go see Ralph'.'
Who's Ralph'' I don't know. Do , - oil want to see                :ntd cli5lwit. Later we build out why lie had                        doesn't feel nrttlipufaled, tics that lie Iecls he's
(;ayle? How about Gar"? ~tall Ray', do veal] ,varit               swafIowed sl be aCl1 h a I I . ,lost o f i [ c a m e o t l t a       doing sonlethiriT, he's supposed to do or having
to n o e l See Gar,? Or, we could do that, or we could            couple of weeks later- W'e're still wailing for the                  tl l 11. olle of (lie two. 1 Call Coullllalld hill) to do
Mars Rav, do you want tea c,o to the beach?                       rest Of it. I lldd ilea idea I was ~;oiog to he using                What I w;lnt, like telling Itim to slay or I call trick
                                                                  hill, in the pieces. . . . I didn't get him for that                 1111 11 11 11 0 d o i nLT ;onletl1iog like IiCkin~, lip the
Lv hat about just for a bake ride? 17o VOL] want to               reason. I Ic Was flren1_'hi it 13 under tIIC C11nlera                milk or ~_Yellim , the greet out cif the hollle. I flay
--o for a bike ride" Whv don't we 5o'? Let's 1 ~ -o.              ;IlI alone beclillse he'd he al-e11110 while 1 "vas
                                                                                                                                       on Ilis natural iliclirlaliolls
But first, stay there. I doli't know. liavly vve                  working slid get into some ohcilci~ralills :utd
                                                                                                                                       L.13' I low did vorl get him to hp lip 111:11 in ilk"
should, well. .vvc could, Mars Rev. we could, liars               ta;vs : I C C i L i e 1 1 I a I I V , so il became very matter of    WWW , Well, lie likes milk - simply. ilea lick il
Rav. we could ult, 1'3an Rav now, we Could - if you               loci to use Mini.                                                    up if the Camera wasll'1 [ill Il1111. 13111 there
doll , t want t o , v v e d o n ' t h e r e t o ltmv, Malt Rav.
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                                                                  L13: And yeriI were using olljCCls in your                           al'e other times vdlen lie seems ICI know That
                                                                  [lolile"tic Clivllol11lielil allvway,                                I'1n working with liinl [11111 lie gets palm
do, oil want to? Onlv if you v,ant [o. are vau suit'
                                                                  WW: As far as the video(LIpes go, I Coilld work                      somehow. he's not silIV or ft iveilous
you vv:nit to,'Iran Ray'' Why not". ~N'Ily don't we               clui[c well with 1 1 1 1 1 1 aroilnd because lie d O C S I C I .     L L 3 : B u t i i s e e l l l t i plat stow voll have a very
go there'? We could ...                                           . . or : I 1 ,cast. 1 dcm'I think 1 1 C understood what I
                                                                  was s:Iyiatc, so lie didn't


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                                               Interview
                                                                  with
                                                    William
                                                    Wegman
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                                                                                 eau. (h) tile other (land the t a l k s                        the (real ill    them are dead.
elhjel:(>, nlavhe I wanted to rrakc theln colllc 111 hle
in ;elute ,vav ill my work. And flan 12a~ alre:icl~                              (lie bottle, I 11 r I i l , l J T I C e whel'e lie is workin- oil
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h:ld tI1:I( ten,ion. that potelllial o[ hecolllim -, (pore                       I1is own. I doll'[ feel su stroltgly alhciu1. I guess                           €.B[ w'haI are You couitIing" Ille first litile I Ihou -lif
than lie w:is. Al little ., lie appr<at, to
                                 ,                                               the lt1[rtit ; L I 0 0 0 S S l 1 1 1 [ 1 t 1 C 1 : I 1 c (hose with a Iligher   You were counting (he lull-, it) Ills zipperW. Just little
                   he on 1hc brink of 1ra11,ccnLlillo his                        Llr°1reC 111 Loorditlall[11l h e l W C C l l U S W I l C l l l e i              things in there.
:1111[ 11,11    nature.    () IICCI  [ ll ou -1h1 I llearc! [)ill) '1l111        ['lll ull camera with hint, like in Spelling Lesson, or
\00          ncedin' rile loch". Bill''" It would uikc verb
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                                                                            -    behind the c:iniera like in 1'awairrg. I'm pielly
little for hilrl it) pill i[ all togetlicr, and Ilial", what I                   di,c:rimilla[ing, ill Ille pieces tit:ll I do willi him.
vrol k "vi di ill tiollle of t h e !apes. I Ire;]( liiiu : U
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Iliough lie alrcad~ 1 1 ; 1 5 mid [lie [er1,ion is ill that
]le 1 1 : 1 5 no(. But lllo,t1N I think he 11J, a glut
1 1 1 e,cnre a nil
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[3keh se~llliment:ll ova~. like Lass' . or           ,   ,
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didn't w:lilt to ronlanticize hint al all. 1 3 1 1 1 i [ ' , hard                787980818283948586878889 but they're
fell inc :c he o h j 2 c lire hec:luse Ilc's nw                                  .111 prelly ;mail.
do~- and 1 1 1 1 find o I ' hill) as a pct well a,
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all :Irt 1%3rlnei.
                                                                                 I.B t Lauglhs1. Thai's absurd,
113- Do % (,it plink ; 1 1 : 1 ( m)nie llf ) nut hc;l !a11c.
                                                                                 WW. I Ierc's another version.
CARTOON FACES

    There you are' F , . e been looking all over for
\- o n ' T i m e t o _ g o !
' -SI'fl~lt'?

  Don't you remember?
-l don't remenlher _vou,
- Sure %7011 do.
-You're making a mistake- You're confusing
me with somebody else.
-I never forget a fare'. Let's go! Couldn't you ull
come hark for me tolnorrov'? I've got some
thing. , , to do. YOU kllov - take care of some
business and see some people- and stuff like that.
Then I'll be ready to ~ That's what you said (lie
last time and VOu ran away' You're not going to
trick me this time'. I'm right here. I 'In going to
watch va and %ve're going to 1 - 1 0 i l l
gnlld-lme.

  Uh ... I think that maybe I would rather mrl go,
actually- - I've been thinking it over and . . . -You                                                                                                                    n
made , I contract '. Don't Hedge!
  Uh ... couldn) ull ... let [lie call up my
  lawyers and stuff.                                                                                                                                                     fi
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                                                           YOU signed and it's time to sign off.
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                                                           Uhhull!                                              SPELLING LESSON
                                                        -( nkl l it is! Say good bye!
                                                           Yes             ,
                                                        -(bye]
                                                                                                                P-A-R-K was spelt correctly- Wail a minuteAnd
                                                                                                                you spelt O-U-T right. But when it came to
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                                                                                                                REACH, you spelt i( 13-E-1:-C-H, which is
                                                                                                                like . . . uh, well, there's ',I Ouln called beech-nut
                                                                                                                gum, bit( the correct spelling is         we meant
                                                                                                                beach like th e sand, like the ocean, so it should
                                                        PAI[IS['..                                              have been R-E-,l-C-H. (Man Ray' whine~]- You
                                                                                                                see, that's the difference. Well okay, I forgive
                                                        I -l3: ('mild we Iook a( the tilIV you   Ill   akle     you, but remember it next time.
                                                        last week"
                                                        AIRPLANE TRAVEL

                                                        That would he a terrible way to go, wouldn't it? I
                                                        mall, you're jU s t so. . . . I cant think of a worse
                                                        way' to go than in an airplane crash, but if its not
                                                        (min.- to crash its so boring and your leus urt all
                                                        cramped up and it's not worth i1, VOL) might as
                                                        well drive. And when VOU do finally, after
                                                        circling the airport for Half an hoi 1 C , you get
                                                        down there a rt ([ you go to pick up your baggage
                                                        and wait around for another half hour, I lllean
                                                        VOL) could have driven usually. and then when
                                                        you get your baggage, by the time VOU get it. half
                                                        the time it's empty.
                                                                                                                             explained. it's as though tire story is dispelleLI,
                                                                                                                             or the slrur1ure of the story has been ;rhused - In
                                                                                                                             other words, il doesn't hollow Mat ti l e €rIg is eill1)ty
                                                                                                                             because you're waiting arolltrd for ~a trig at tile
                                                                                                                             airport . - - now [ like the idea.
                                                                                                                             1,13: The idea of .I certain kind of ilon -seduiluI - "
                                                                                                                             WW: Yes, ol a logical assulllpIiorl that's raise.
                                                                                                                             Lveryone knows what fear is cm an airpl;we, [
                                                                                                                             suppose, unless they're terribly brave - There are
                                                                                                                             certain cloudy experiences on an airplane like fear
                                                                                                                             ol - crusliingy, boredom and the hassle err Waiting
                                                                                                                             around for your baggage whi ch are very familiar-
                                                                                                                             Usually tile baggage doesn't end up being empty,
                                                                                                                             but I presented that as a typical OCCLIrrerlcc, sod
                                                                                                                             one can imagine it lreint7 :r normal flinetioll of , . .
                                                                                                                             . .
                                                                                                                             L13: Qh, it's something that could easily tall
                                                                                                                             within yo11r range of cxpec(ations when Yoll
                                                                                                                             travel.
                                                                                                                             MV: But it doesn't actually--you don't ge[ your
                                                                                                                             luggage hack with nothing in it, so shat ending
                                                                                                                             wakes ycxi up more [than a norinal story would of
                                                                                                                             sosneorle complaining. [ Suppose ttlosl ol'inv
                                                                                                                             stories are like 1hal.
                                                                                                                             L13: You mean they have a twist al tile end - an
                                                                                                                             element of surprise'? "Surprise - " is a hit tern
                                                                                                                             strung, though, isn't it?
                                                                                                                             Gv'1'1r: Yes, it is. Tile ending is unexpected but
                                                                                                                             I'll] ilelt telling it as [[tough it's at all surprisitlg.
                                                                                                                             l 3 n r - n w i t h - % o M o u t h i s t i l e kind of story f was
                                                                                                                             thinking ol'earlicI- where the dialogue leads away
[-11 You don't like         .1 irplarrc Trot cl''                                                                            from (lie Familiar take on the image and finally
                                                                   mechanically. ['m not trying 1o he couvincing in
                                                                   the least. There's a displacement - [n utller words.      reinstates il- On TV, the image oi' a man's face
                                                                   clef one really he haves That way' in 'Lrt1               covered With lather usually indicates a conlnlerCial
                                                                   ai11)lane1 sonle111Ing was ot'i' in it (the 111otion).    ghoul shaving CI - C11111- But what I [lid wt III
1111 Oil. it's all ri I-13: l    i's   not quite as
                                                                   LB: is that What you're interested in, verv ol'teil. a                     (11at ii 1)avTe was to fk) cus an lire
= a c h l i c h l as most of the others, is il''                   kind of dislal!1cenlen1 from the familiar Iunclinn        11100th          which trf Course looks very small and
l\W I blink the words aren't pklcecl riglll: it                    ol'an object or ,1 Familislr activity'' MV That's         peculiar with (lie tauter around it                     gild made kit )
                                                                   partly il. I present a situation an d develop some        t i Storv al mlnd it
doesn't 11 ow :1s well; t11e lan~~11a-c                       I
                                                                   kill(] ol - explarlmion around it - By 111C Ili]le t11C
                  ~1se is11'1 quite n;ltur;lI. B1st lilt idea is   Story is OVer V[rll get 10 knOW Why that lrtrlic
just as;~ood. Maybe it's dittCrent liorll a lot ot illy            ular prop or mannerism was displal'ccl. But in
picces ill tllat Fill presenting all object sic! a                 Airplane Travcl. nothing is
rnotiorl. not just an object and tcfin(T ;i slor~ ,stood                                                                     t ill so n - r 1 called 1wur urt iclinr.            t ill rxrr
it- [3ut tile 11Wtion it - sell ' is very cxa--Teratecl-                                                                     1-ert good at names.             .
total€v lulrealistic                            I ' ll] wohhlimz
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                                                                                                                                            TRIP ACROSS COUNTRY

                                                                                                                                            For the mosit part, then, the trip across C01IT1trV
                                                                                                                                            is really pretty boring. YOLL 1~0 thrOll"ll a lot of
                                                                                                                                            little towns. 11's mostly flat. you kiiow. I thought
                                                                                                                                            there'd be inorc. more green. It'% Ill,at kind of
                                                                                                                                            arrid dry brown dUII it's very boring. I don't know,
                                                                                                                                            it" really boring. And the foot), especially along
                                                                                                                                            Route 66 -1 mean we had some really terrible awful
                                                                                                                                            dinners. Then we got to tile Grand Caiiyon. now
                                                                                                                                            that's another story. that is really overwhelming. Ili
                                                                                                                                            fact, I ... I never forgot tile Grand Canyon. I - - - I
                                                                                                                                            can still SeC it - I I'S really SpeCLICILl. tar - trij ly
                                                                                                                                            a maz isig, But other [hall that, there wasn't much
                                                                                                                                            else-to sce.




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                                                                                                                                            ~VkV: I etilepIllore receill tape", ove III ell is W11
13ORN WITH NO MOUTH                                                     I i t cra I I y! TI ic toile of' y ou r voice was                   ic J                                               a re
                                                                                                                                                                                               in
                                                                                                                                            Some way out of' phase,
                                                                        exac I I y [lie saille as i( liad beell oil (lie tape,
I vvas born vvi I h                         iio mou I IT         II a   W~V. (ldUghS) I JUSI 1111agillftl YOU Were a
11. ill st ,I k i IT d of                                               calliela,
                                                                        1,13: Well. I was tryinu to (Imik more iil~uut (lie                 TIME
p ki ne acro,,s Ili N              fa ce.           I (I i d lim e ,I   llouorl of displacellielit .... Olle of (lie reasull's vou
                                                                        r st o I ies wo I k i s be c ~i use I liev'i , e t ol d i ii ~i n   I was just you kiiow, I wasn't bothering anyone, I
v~ cll-dei el oped nose NvIi en I was born. A c I Lia                   3I)SOIL11CIV dCildpall M C C , illId 111CrC'S 110 C11,1111~lc       was walking (]own the street on illy wav home from
Ilv I did 11W, e U Moo 111 - i I was more I ike _j ust                  oi toile diroughoul.                                                work, and (his gUV S10I)S Ille lind lie savs, Hev
a I i I I le , 1it obout aii cioli th of ;lit iiich wide-               kkiw: De~ldpali, but hopefully without a colllic's~                 [)Liddy. what time is it" Alit] I , -lid, I don't know, I
Hardiv even a sixteenth of an inch Iii -li mid mv                       101- ced de"Idpall . . . ~ Some W tile ploces are                   don't have I watch, and lie %ays~ That' , , not what I
                                                                        C X i lo -ris ril t i oil (lie r.s ~n - In a I
                                                                                  ,e
                                                                                       a lid 0 S of tio) I             "i L t l ~ l t i
parents just figured that gradualiv it would deielop,                                                                                       asked you, and lie SlUgged ine- Knocked me
that it ,%ould _ , row into .I reid mouth. BLII by tile                 are a culting away. The activity or (lie situa(ion Is               down. People Said that I Ishol-Lidii't Move, I
Tillie I v'as six flicy could we it ma.sii't , oing to                                                                                      ShOUld wait for all ambulance. I've been here
                                                                        Somehow adapted or beill out of' Shape and 111cil
happeii. They were afraid to send me to school                                                                                              aboUt tWelitV IllinUtCS. it Still kii'l licre.
                                                                        lecolistructed. hut I perforil) it it , , thou'-fl) tilat's
~ , ~ith a motith like That, so Nflicii lily "Yandfilther
                                                                        tile wily                   really Lire. When I relate tu
(tied ,vhen I was six thev TraiiSplanted his mouth
                                                                                           dOll't S01111d tel'l'il)IV
onto mine, took on( lily mouth, and I Think They                                                                                            RADAR SCREEN
gave it to tile U nkersitN of Massachusetts. So I've                    1,01'11riSed Or Lll). , ,Ct abOlit it ' WS XS
been                                                                    111011,1'Il SOfflefflic were telling a ilorinal mory                DUri ng the day . I work ,it I dav oil check i IT g
slim ing e% cr Nillce I "vas six,                                       ahout in ev(~ryday cveil(. - 1 - liat's partly a force of           oil t tile radar screen. I have to make SILLre that
                                                                        tile Illedillill becLiu"e I look at lily image ill (lie             none (If (lie planes hump into each other- My
     13 11 ~l             1)! e   II\        M I I 1_J 2C 0 Ll   0A     monitor wlul(~ ]'ill speakino and I retef (o that                   eves get tired from looking at the radar screen
                                                                        iathel - than to                                                    g
        I 111ilik   111-al's   olle ot the bettel                       lily ~c     I    a de I'i 11 i te             1 - co t ic n t :I
                                                                        t ion       he C a we       ( Ila t imilue is reversed. Yoll        all day, so when I get hoine I want to relax but
-1  lic pcitl,~ipal problem becomes illat I IlLd io                     have to releillil let'( and right and yom - mind has to             first I have to clieck and make sure that
hoiliel with                    %ince I wa,\            and it 1111     work a little liardelto overcome xvliat (lie body is                every Ih ing is in order, pcrf cc I order or else I
ow" aw m                        I i I e ~ m b a rassil loll I           used to. My speccil becomes delihmi(e and Slower
                                                                                                                                            1_13 . lie able tilerealIv litlic voli've had tile voico ou
                                                                                                                                            won't 11]is is to first reln\.
                                L) I' I 1,1V i lit, a Ve rv Sllldll     diall norillill                                                     I        o f Sy 11 C, isli , I         i t "        I t 's j
',lild 111101UK11 1110LItll- Whell. I (it) ~"Cl IlIV                    LB: Lct%, look ~it some wore of' tile new lapes                     [so) ill te I esk I] becil I I se you               I-C a p
olaildi"Ither", Illoildi _ , lililed oluo lile. thev had to                                                                                 [~ 1  - o \ i 11) ~1 u 11 g 111 c      Ill 11 C t io 11 o t ,
Pill s0ille "kill '11 - oulld Illy la~:e as well it was old                                                                                 a I i obJec I
M V : I l l R a d a r S c r e e n ' ~ Y e a l l ~ I i ma g i n e d t h a t i t v o l i            W W : Yes, b ill I ha ve t o p lace t he mo nit o r s o t ha t                                   lurned OUt to be ~IhOtlt thirty Wco116. Al'ter lie
N v e r e Nvatching a r i l d i l l - s c r e e l l y o u r h o d y WOU l d I t                   I 'm il l I -Kir t ia l p r o file t o t he Came r a . The vie w e r                             b r ea ks el ic h p os e l ie s i ts. la id I int e t pr o t ha t t o
~ n e I o t , o l I o w i t it , , w o l . i o s i (             - o e s r o l I it d             i, ,, ill t ile sa me p os it io n it s ( lie C a me r a, so                              I      me a r i lie s t ill k no ws he '~ und e r c o mma nd t o ( it )
a n d r o u n d . M i a l r e a l l v L n v e I I ) e ( l i e i d e l l l'or t h e                ha ve t o p la ce t he ca me r a w he r e it a t it o ill i lt ic a ll y                         s o me t hi n g, a nd lie r es po nd s w it h ( lie mo s t
pie,:e was sinirwy in flid( swivel c hi m . B i l l i l l t h e                                                                                               '
                                                                                                  C o me s o u tr e lh e ' s i-eo i leirg itso gso ie gi lty p0a l - t i c k i l l i r p o i n t
                                                                                                    b e , W h e ( i e v nw                       e nl o                                            I , a mi l ia r t , o r m o f o be d ie nce li e k no ws a nd t ha t 's
d u b b i i t L, m c r i t , t z e t l e r a I i l l i l l e s t o r i e . ' , I
                                                                                                                                                                                                   sitting- After lie's been through (lie I -our paws I
wanted
                                                                                                  o F view, il I v ill) age                      or     I I to i ill age             o i' wl i     ma k e li fi l l s it o il t ile b ow lin g b all b e ca lls e 1 11 1 11
t o - , e I ill o r e o I ' it It a r l ' a t i o 11 e I T C C 1. L B ~ A n                                                                                                                        sol-I ot' t'Ollows, mid what struck tile as interesling
                                                                                                  a t                           I        se t tip. But it' I am ill
lid a it io n a l J is p la c c in e n t , M\ .                               YO S ~       I I
                                                                                                  C o mp l e t e p r o f i l e . I i ' i r l d i t ' s t o t ) % t y l v e d a n d i t             was that al'ter lie hrokc that pose lie didli't Sit, lie
              III ilk C S                I ( )   I~ ii       J i J T e r C I) I            kill   d o es n't p r oj ec t t ha t I 'm 1 ~i lk i nv t o %o mc o nc e lse, or                         la y d o w n, I d o n't k no w NN 'hV . hil l. it se e me d to
d             0 1' J )ie CC                                                                       it looks lou scll'-C:Onsciokis~ I thi nk the pieces                                              ma k e s et is e, I t hink it W oU ld n't ha ve w o r ke d j I ' I I t
                                                                                                                                                                                                   a d do ne i t ij s p h o i o I-, i-a p l i s, b ec ims e ( lie
                                                                                                  read somewhere ill betweell talkilig to another
I ~va,, intero,,ted ill tile ditTereot pattern that lily                                                                                                                                           CiTec I ol, Ille Piece had 'it lot I o (10 with tile fillie
                                                                                                  per%oii and just talking, The eyes are also very [ill
% o i c c d e v e l o p ' . , W heil ]'Ill n o t r e c o l - d i l l o l i v e ~                                                                                                                   and (lie bleaking ol- (lie lio"e113- 1 suppow mic oi-
                                                                                                  pol, (ll 11 (.                .        ~       . '111 e          I'll I so eye con
                                                                                                                                                                                                   ( lie I lla i l l e le me nt s t ha t ill it k e vid e o ( np e mo r c
B e c l m , , c I C a n , , c c t h e i ma g e NN - h e n I p l a y i t b a c k R)                (ac t                         V 0 U WOU I Ll
                                                                                                                                                                                                   interesting is what you Carl do with liming. whic h
lecol-d [lie voice over. ]'ill illwavs tivill( -, to Catch
                                                                                                                                                                                                   obviously has to be kldgCd Very kllCly.
              u 1) w i th                    1) ly                 i1c I io lis [IV ill] t i
                                                                                                                                                                                                   WW: But tile abselice ol- that (inle Clellicill is what
c i pit t it) g                 v A l it t
                                                                                                                                                                                                   ma k e s ( lie p ho t o gr ap hs in( e r e .q ii ig I -o r me t o do
                                                                                                                                                                                                   which is wliv I do both. Williont it Jol ol t'311 CV
                                                                                                                                                                                                                 C LI t t ill g y OU             Cil I I't   pl-l I 1     0
                                                                                                                                                                                                   1-1 t         A Ild          I-C a MI TIgC ill a videotape, ol.
                                                                                                                                                                                                   show thiligs existing it] it

                                                                                                                                                                                                   I t U mb e r o t 'd i ffe r e nt s ta t es.



                                                                                                                                                                                                   Wo I e A i Yo I I n ~ o I(I h clt~ b Ig t? I e I v il
                                                                                                                                                                                                   / I t 11 is r -oa 1,                                                   1 cen ~
                                                                                                                                                                            ,
~ v a s p r e v i o u s k - i : e c o r d e d . I s c c t h e m p r o p r e s - s i m , ill       11 live   hy                I ook i 11 g s t ril i (~~ I
                                                                                                  I     a ( tile Cam era js 11 lure                                                                                                                                     IF a-
~i c e i - t a i i i o r d e r a n d I t r v t o ma k e t h e w o r d s p x - l i a l k .
t 1 l t . " I t i d Sol I CA I e c a l ) ( 1 1 r e w h a I w as d o n e                           di% t Li rh i rig I h a it    ,
                                                                                                                                                    I I to               k i it d          0 1'
o r i l - l i n a l l ~ , I j u s t d i d it t a p e w h e r e I a ~ k e d Ga~ l e t o            pOS I it re    one
l o o k a t t h e ma i o r i , , i I a n d t h e n d u b h e i O%N'll ill
t e l ' p t ' e I a t i o l l s o I , wll~l I                  I        doiTig o v e r i I,       ~ISSRJIICS. I ~                                         Ill Y
k j i o w i n g t 1 w i i t w m i k ] . b o a l i n n s t i mp o s . " A b l e ,                  CVCS we re I ook j it g, i ii to                        tf i o
WI M     I ',Ill 0 ' ~
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                                                                   Ill iC I Opi I Oll C           calliel-li diell it WOUld WC111 'LIS thOLigh I
                                -
                                    .111 C                         St it I to Cl                  WZtS lookin. g into (Ile ViCWCr -S CVCl, We
                                                                                                  W O U ld ha ve t his e ye Co li la c t W iliJ i , Os t ip a
latighing, and ,ajd she couldn't do it 5o 1 helped lie
                                                                                                  Whole psychology ot'a relillioll"llip Ilix doesn't
1- 0 it I                       li 11 d                            I It e it               (I I
                                                                                                  actwillv exiM. It's cliOte shucking                                           Cilm
ore                             t 11 e                             I %vo o t, it
                                                                                                  d ire c to rs a re c o ns c io us o l' t his . O nl y G o da rd woul d
describim-, the liction.
                                                                                                  occasionaliv li~ive a character lookimy dil -ecliv
LB: There%, im odge to vour voice ill Owt piece. ich
                                                                                                  ilito tile callieta, and have all iiiiii -illary
y o A l l 1 : , ( 3 j l 1 V IllaWil-le [ 0 a v o i d , t h o l i g h ~ v i l l l i t
                                                                                                  X KHO TIC C t 'O r hill't Whic h take s vou oW ol- tile
slight illileclio n it COUld olten turti irtio ,i g ewle                                          t 0 I'V
                                                                     kind ol'
illuckOlA. . Alld it's ilkO dil-lel-01H heCilkl. W                                                I . B. - I n t ha l c a.w t he te a lw a ys s ee ms t o he S o me so r t
t h 0 l ' Q ' S j loal diAlOOLIO hCMUll INN-O PCOP[C ~J~                                          A
oj)p0.Wd                                                                                                       power phy involved.
to a      1) re to i ide d                               Cl ia I og It e               w          W W-. Yeah
i I li v ou                     spea k i 11-                   ill Ne~et,jl                       1. - I ~:        A I c you very im it re of' d i rec t i ii - (ech
Voice', l" that -,oilletillil", YoLl might                                                          it iques Illovies?
                                                                                                  NVW.- Not ie;jlly.

              ill w, 111                       kre i t it            ov. I'verv                   Mjli Ray. Ba rk, Bailkbark - Bai-k.
                                once ill a N".11ile I lloe lo let Into a
dilTerent slitlanoll to S111111, 11AW 1111VSell',                                                 1.13: Why did voll do A~,,, aml Ball as a Vi
I'llo ligh I Cilll'( iJIM&'jIIC                                                                   Cleo ta pe?             I t                          ,cc ill " 1111101
xvorkjtl~y Willi ii whole Clew ot , othel. perlolllicrs                                                                   cl ose r I o you r phoio -raphic
al-OLlild ' ' ~                                          ~     I've 110lic0d                      work Ililm to the other video pieces
                                                         WW. I was thinking of that TV style of teachino_
                                                         like Julia Child ,flowing you flow to make
                                                         croissants or something, and 1 worked up Ille story
                                                         eIrenlnd it.
                                                         LB: At one stage you seem to have drawn on
                                                         comsncrcials a lot as source Inalerial ...
                                                         4VW: Ycah- Bill my tapes have a different kind
                                                         of thrust. The piece witli Mall Ray where I'm
                                                         Mling cars is in fact based on an mlvertisenlent
                                                         in LA and prohahly all over tile Country which
                                                         uses a du-. A do- sits oil a car and (lie -uy in the
                                                         ad fondles the dog while tic's talking about cars.
                                                         Lverycmc can l i 1 1 ure Oul (I)LO y'cu use ci1}Ier a
                                                         pretty girl or 'I Clog . . .
                                                         LB: A cultural cliche . . .
                                                                                                                    STRAW AND STRING
                                                         WW: . . . an image that people can fit right into, a
                                                         stock inlaoe that has mass appeal. 11111 in ; amt          Straw in one hand, and then with the string that
                                                         I;.sect C'ar.tiule.sman I used the dog to unclermine       we've given you, start from one end coiling it
                                                         as well LIs play with dial ginitnickLB. You tcxik          around. It should took like this. Now, draw the
                                                         tilat kind ol - advertising fintlnick to its logical       two ends tog==ether, so that you get to ab o ut the
                                                         conclusion --- or rattler. you made the presence of        middle. Does it look like that? Now with the cup
                                                         (lie dog necessary to the piece in a way which it          in the other hand, notice, your hands aren't
                                                         never is ill adverti.wnients, where it's usually just a    touching the titraw, your lips don't touch the cup,
                                                         sell hnrer11aI adjunct . . . its relevance is assulllcd,   and only the straw touches your mouth, and then
                                                         htrt not really justified.                                 when you drink. you (toll'[ have to worry at ,111
                                                                                                                    about geniis.




SAME OLD SHIRT

   I suppose you (hl that just to insult nle- I nlcan
Here I (Tet all dressed it]) arad got, conic looking
like a ntechallic in the same old shirt.
What d'yotl mean" wllat's w - roill- , will] this?
You"ve worn that three ,traitlht days. It's hec
ialuin'- , to smell.
     I just w aslled it.

  1 can smell it from here- I thou_l-Tht we
were ;chug out tcnlil711t.
-Yeall, hut just to a ill ovle or so me thill!t; it
doesn't nutter. _v oil know, wllat you look like.
Nobody's g oing to see you in the dark an
vw;tv.
It's . just the idea. I like to look nice when we G o
out, ;lnd I'd like VUtt tcl look nice too. lNetl. what
d'you want tile to (lo'' Change or sorlletllin,"'
h'e'll miss tile movie if I do that. Welt, why don't                                                                                                                      z
wr stay hoarse aaul watch I V. I'rll not -ping, out
with you lookim; like thatit's up to you.
Personally I don't care.
NEW & USED CAR SALESMAN                                LB: Do you find commercials _ the
                                                       most interesting aspect of channel
I ant lifting this eighty-pound dog onto my lap and    television'? LVW: No.
I'm trying to talk normally even though the pain       1.13: What then?
from the weight of the dog is almost unbearable.
It's very hard to talk and keep a straight face with   W1V: 1 actually like seeing long movies- I
the dog on my lali hecause lie fidgets so and he       tend not lo like short things that are funny and
tries to get away, he tries to break out of my grip    quick, that are more like my own work- The
but I have him wcurely locked in my arms. I'rn         kind of art that I like and the honks I like to
trying to sell you a new or used car from our          read are usually long .Ind involved.
downtown lot and trying to talk you into buying        L13: Why do all your pieces fall within a very .
one and I hope that if perhaps if I have this dog on   speedy time range? What's the Icritgest one
my lap you'll come to see me as a kind person,         you've done? "Three minutes?
because a mean person . . . if l was a mean person     WW: No, there's one that's aboult eight minutes,
and a shark so to speak, this dog wouldn't let me      where Mali Ray is trying to get the treat from Cite
touch him and paw him so; he'd uh, ire wouldn't        bo(tle- All my pieces involve a few elements with
have such faith in me- And so too, just as this slog   a single idea. They're not cut and
trusts me, I would like you out there to trust me      spliced or put together in <tny sense, and teat's     4VW: Yes, 1 could elaborate more on one or
and come down to our new and used car lot and          what you'd have to CIO to) make a longer and          another. And there are some non-narrative pieces,
buy some of our duality cars. I know vou'll be         more complex work. I don't think I have the           like the orie of Man Ray with file cape where lie's
satisfied. Thousands of other, have been. Thank        patience to do a long video piece or a icing          panning back and furlh where I just had (o say,
you for listening.                                     story; 1 always feel a great relief when it's over.   that's enough of that, It ended tip being about two
                                                       L13: Well, the short linear episode is definitely     minutes long but I could have made it into a loop
                                                       a form that's special to your work. But some of       and done it for an hour. But the fact that he pans
                                                       the stories don'( have such an oh4'IOLlsly built-in   back and forth tbr what seerns like a long time-
                                                       length. It seems that you have to decide when to      but not fnrcver is what's interesting because it
                                                       stop.                                                 develops ilito a mechanical-looking image.
                                                                                                             1,13: You don't quite know when lie's going to
                                                                                                             stop, so a certain tension is created.
                                                                                                             WW: And if it had been a loop _ you would know
                                                                                                             that it was artificial somehow. manufactured.



                                                                                                             DIRTY FLOOR

                                                                                                             When my floor is dirty I don't bother willi
                                                                                                             brooms and buckets and mops and that sort of
                                                                                                             thing, I just . . . in a real stern voice I say, Go
                                                                                                             on, get out of here, go some place else, and
                                                                                                             don't come hack, d'you hear? And it usually
                                                                                                             works.
                                                                                                             WW: The lilllc black smudge that move , ; towards
                                                                                                             (lie end of the tape is a spider.
It sm- C i s K o t 0 t t ) h e o u I of I l i a t c o m a w u l                    read flistei, and when I wLLs in front of the
h a c k oll [lie iob. I ~Ion 'I know it, 171 crer gcl                              monitor, I noficed Jim your nostrils seem to lool~
us(%l lo rhcsc new,j~lt-iippecl pens thai~gh.                                      Lit a hook just as much as your ev cs            at
lj_,voti 're noi Carcliil the mk soaks fight through                               le4st mine (it) because they'ie very large so they
the paper, It I work I vith lhem too long I gel (iizz v                            might as well be doing something - So I illou"llt of
                                                                                   piming (rarlsistors ill vour riose "to decode difficull
LB: S o me o t' I I I e wri I i e ii st ories in i- li (                           wolds arid Send 11WIll Lip tO brain -' ,
work equllll~ well oil " ideolape.
%kV , [ : \ Cop( Illat I never vhle down (lie slorv
before I do li videotape. I don't follow a script,                                 EMPEROR AND DISH
Some of (lie stories could have become
llipo% if I hadn't written them clown.                                             You see, I knew that the cruper - or was going to be
                                                                                   coming (]own that particular street that day because
LB- )'oil mean once voti've writtei) it down it's                                  there was a parade, and so I positioned myself oil a
impossible to perforill it'?                                                       corner, and had this piece of
 NVW~ 11 I)OC0111CS 111101 III0rC LliftiC1111. I)CClIUSC                           broken dish in irly hand and started crying, I was
 ol L ,     T1 o I i co wl le it                I d o a p i0ce ove r an            bawling my eves out. And sure enough, tile ern per or
Q1 ove 1 it doesn't '2et better. Occamollaliv I'll [[link                          came over to meand lie said. Sonny, what's [lie
      o f a ilew compollent to add, Or Illaybe I Llid
         I
                                                                                   matter' Ali(] I said, I saved all. iny money and
 ',01IIC1l1iM_1 bLl',iC.Ll1V W 1 . 0 1 1 2 ' 1 1 1 0 f i f ' , l 6 1 1 1 C . but
                                                                                   bought this dish for my mo(her ' and I just dropped
                                                                                   it and it broke on the street. And as lie reached in
        uellelallv til" p e l - 1 , 01 , 111allce doesn't improve
 %% i III repol I t ion. There' , ., - oh~ih ly 1,011M 1 1
                                                 pi
                                                                                   his bag lie said, reached down, lie said, That's ok ay,
                                    ilIg ill                                       Sonny, here's a new dish, VULt give this to your
                                                                                   niornmy. And I was really grateful and everything,
111 e  ,I i kiggl e o f t I t in k i I I g, u 1) t I ie st o ry [ I I ['I          but actually I just found this piece of broken dish on
o ii t of the cjmer~L that makes the tone of (lie voice                            tile side of the street, so I got a dish for nothing.
          1 _IL           - it             -k              - wi.,

            '111 Of I tile woi - Othei           - .e I would

W _let into ~tQtltll_l alld VIII not a Veiv good                                   kk'W: A fie r d0jTI11 a 10 1 Of 111 eSC [Il l rill t
~Ictol, [ CMI't road the morv and melliorivill"                                    IVC tlipeS with my image oil them I gof really sick
Illakes ]lie speak tot) f. - Is t , 6eller"111V tile pace                          of licaring myself (alk and seeing my face, so I               lvforc that I had dolle a few lk . e performalices,
specds ill) Whell I VCPC!it il Piece. 311d I SCOM to                               "Lirled panning tile callier") around in (lie area             1111CI S0111C OLit(1001 - PICCH, 1102tilh ;
~idd cert~dii expre , ~sions which I think will work                               that I was workill tT ill                                      Wol - LiS ill tile wa t e r    I d id one ca I loci Thc
but li~mlill\ don't: they're usually ovel - done. It%,                                                  r                                         R wer Ilas Fire Wonts and some 8min fi lms, I had a
                                                                                                                                                  sludio right OTI C11111plis ~II)d I Could use tile
hird to :omtol it,                                                                 fN THE CUP                                                     Videorecordel - every(LIV so I` (lid a lot of very
LB: So [lie waV voU work is exactIv [lie                                           --Hey Bill!                                                    short pieces. mostlv ulider a mirute low), Thov
                                                                                   yeall.                                                         It Lid t o (I o wi t [I        pro ps ra I lie r
Op pom te o I' I 0-aill Ill                  P VAC I Isl
                                                                                   Where are you? I'm in tile                                     than st o i ic s, though.
IT a         I oil t I I] C, ol l'0lIe'L11`Silh_' Jild Illell
                                                                                   cup _Okav. I'll see you                                        1_13 - 1 What kind of'pi:ops were you using then'?
W~\ : Ye". but ~,vllell I have an idej 1 , 01 . a piece I
                                                                                   later.                                                         \NAV - . I did floor pieces with faillilhil . object , ,
d0li'l lust Wt lip the equipment alid Start babblin , 2,
                                                                                     -Yeah. I'll talk to you fil '.I while.                       matches l1lid nails link[ whatever wos l1rouild. I
somemile", I have a partickilar plop ill hom d Ille, or Ll
                                                                                   W - W. I th i ii k I   d id        i I ove i -                 WIIS LISMg lll~ItUkll for tile kind of look it
failly Specific 1cfolence in mind              1'or instmice,
                                                                                          ['I I     we    i f i I's 1111v be I te n               had already, 1)ut still 11131liplAlating it in
in Spce(i Rcmlb~~, I was thillklill -I IhOLlt 11101,C
                                                                                                                                                  Sonic WAV, 1,11: Did it wein like a real
COUI - Se., "k-CII (0 11C]p V011                                                   -Hey Bill,                                                     breakthrough whell VOLI 111to
                                                                                   yeall.                                                         NVW~ A tremendous breakthrom , li, I warited my
                                                                                   Where are YOU? -1 , 111 in the cup.                            work to dcal with things that really meatit somelhing
                                                                                   -All right, I'll (alk 10 YOU later.                            to Tile . - -
                                                                                   .-All right, see ya.                                           LB - . What were they?

                                                                                   WW - 1 Thai's the one I used, tile secolld OneLB:              WW - Well, ilic kinds Of             you tend to catch
                                                                                   Whell did YOU SUill W(JtkiII9 with video? And                  your , ,elt' lhinking about, whether you're suppowd to
                                                                                   what was (lie imme(lioie hilpettis?                            or not, III Wiscoll"'jil I fixed oil diat as a very
                                                                                   NVW:      I n M a d isori, W i sconsi ii ~ ill '6 1 ). 1 ( i   slroilg . idea, but when I moved to California it
                                                                                   us I so happeiied that (lie CCILICZI(iOll department           hecame a resollitioll, not to let myself get wo far
                                                                                   liad some Craig half-inch equipment mwd For taping             away froill what I was really thinkino about.        lid
                                                                                   lectures which was made w. - ailable to tile- Riolit           Illore fliall that, I WLISII't
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p r c v ic lu , w o r k - . LI 3 : I lo v v , d il l v i l le o l C n a h le y o u                    I l la c l l il l e ZInol a n o l d c a me r a                I c o u l d n 't fo o l , w e l l
t o [lot t h a t. ' 1 1 1 1 : T lt e v v II ol0 v v ,IN o f v v on 'k illg w i ll !                   o v e r :l c e f€ : i i n d i s t a n c e w i t h t h a t k i n d o f C [ 1 u i 1 1 1 r l e l i l
i t is s o 17}leIl _VUl1 !t o i l l IIJNe '1 ,e1l,C (11                                               S [ 1 I l le i - C O h e a lot Of C o n l p I a i n t % a h o t I l t h e [ !n o b l y '


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                                                                                                      N v o r k i n l ; ill : I h o u s e , n o t II s t l ] d i o .
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                                     ,tIblli hkll' oil dllterelll
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                                                                                                         ('ROCKED FINGER ('ROCKED S'TIC'K
Ie\I)1'eti,Io11 - - - . 1 lie I;m;Te ~ . ) I eLwerienie,                                                 tie--11 ,tick.!
                                                                                                         Ban', i, it crooked'
ill,t                           )it draw , = 1 1 . 1 1 1 , 1 1 0 1 , i l l
ht=lll              [lie    `.1~1e.t)Ii115e,           ;Itili              tile
                                                                                                         011, lllal', nothllm. You     ou$111   t(=   sLe   111V
SClllle[1 ` ,I!111 •~elll, W ;:1e :o olerl:tp 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 5
                                                                                                         tiht~er,                  `
1 1 1 ; 1 1 h a v e -•elel'A11\ '•cell C~i~llclc'd 0 1 i - 1 1 0 1 ' e c l                                                                                                                                                            L
                                                                                                         Wow'' Neat finuer', f3ov. is that crooked'
:IS hCin'

          ll_1l(-he;IrtCcI t+]' it , 1 1 1 1 7 1 , I 1 1 1 T I : I i C 1 0                               f)11, t11:1t', lmtlliltg- Yot1 [ought to see my stick.
fle 1;1:11.er! :!l Ic=r art                                                                              Wow, is that neat'. Boy, it s really crooked. That's
1111 : 1 :slink [! Ill rile lllill~:ti I SS tile ;ghoul ,11 .:cal                                        nuthini-. You aright tit sec any' fin!,er. W'ovy. lll,lt
551[11 o n 1 : I 1 ' e are what pekInle L m i e [ a l l 5 thillk :Iholl[
                                                                                                         s even heater', liov, is that
SSheillet' llte5 like it) mlmi[ it ,r :1.,[. 5,)nletilllis Ire
                            ,                                                                            crooked-'                          -
,ir;l~',l1 t)n :1utt)l it)~~r;115111i;11 IIMlell;ll, t7t:! 5 fee
            ,             '
,;III:1111 11, lll;lt I W Ie1! 11;11)17011 17y, ;Illd t:1r11ed
111cin 1111,} >ollletllill~L. el,e_ Mill ill . 1 . [Qt%                                                    Qh, 111:lt's oo111in-- You (au1-fllt to see my stick-
                                                                                                         1)EODORANT                                                         I3UI3RLL-UP
•l11~e1'1IeI;II LCAN . [1,11 111 Ill 1[llc'i1,C                                                            Oil wow " I, I Ila I ever crooked .'
                                I1Iiell Still lind vc7uISoll -
                              .                                                                          Of all the deodorallts, this is tile one that I ell . }[ Iv        Okav. fill only ~-oing to do this once. No vv';111 It
tlli11ki11_ and SSt71 r5 ine ;1flom t:ei Lain ililim--, !lice
                                                                                                         n,lllg tile 1 1 1 1 1 , 1 - It feels real nice goitl'. (111, and   carefit11v because we don't v en t to have t1) retake
I'eit71i10 c'Idlililt7ll,. I[1 Lcuem1. I n11gh1 dl,toil ill
                                                                                                         nulls ,ood, and keeps tile drv• all day. 1 don't have              it. {Slat) over and livery f3ul)bleup - Ckav, nosy I'll
u111I11_'e t7r renllelll iilfalll ic7111'e[! 11t711aI :It1111lcles
                                                                                                         to ,vorrv ;about it cutting out at cllltell moments.               try iI. I Sla1)1. Bu bhletlp - No, your rhythill. your
but I~m .IU;lre 111;it I~tn play i11~ ~+-i1li Illeln. and                                                                                                                   whole timima is off- You did his vatlrself ill lilt
                                                                                                         :111 tile other tines are just. oil. then' just Never
              I - m lrlore interested                              ill ullat I                                                                                              ri(dlt JAM", but r'ou've ~~ol to !pet more fnnlith
                                                                                                         %eem to hold u1) Milder pressure for tile. I can put
              Lit) Mill illenl Iotm;ill\ - I k1U1v, the llol lllal                                                                                                          into it- !!Forth this just 1)tle more Iinle. (Slaps
                                                                                                         this on once durim.= the day, and for tile rest of the
lal,e %Sell enou h lt} hale :i ditl - eleril lake_ htll I doll's                                                                                                            liu1)Met] 1), Min-. I ~go I itRlooop. I didn't ~er the
                                                                                                         day' I'm fine. I'm all set tap; I don't Ilaw to vyorry
h;i5e :111.. SCI llolll , il ahoul tile nallil - e of re'llily of SS                                                                                                        bubbleup right did i'' No, it's gilt to sound more like
                                                                                                         ahou€. v'ou know, ulci;al nrn - nusnetiti car an'thing.
ha( the \ i ' 0 r l d ' , rC;111v ah=l11 t)r                                                                                                                                :l real bubble going up. (Slap). 13ubbleup. Let tile
                                                                                                         It'sju,t . . . It keeps tile feeling! -ood and fresh. I
Ir75 thin_ Illie +11;11. 1111:11 I >eleii 1, more like all                                                                                                                  Irv i1 over where you are. 151]11, l3ubhletil). That
CSanlple. t,rld :hr-,l gild then I snake exists illout
        :Ile In otlwr ut7rds. u,llletlllll!' :I piers'                                                   love the smell. I (Ion'! think there's any deodorant
                 SS                                                                                                                                                         wets t=ooad; that', better.
                                                                                                         that comes close to this one.
AV. 11 , ill le   1
                      ,
                          e st inz I o wa   te 11   tile origi   I l a       I                      th i l l g St U P 1 Cl I i ke t ha I . 'Flie
                                                                                 CV011 CX ISI, S011 IC                                             -Well, I don't think they let you take things back
                                                                                 way that piece WaS Set L11 % tile Unl y Wa y tO 'let tile         once they're washed.
tape ~ . those three pieces were (lone together and                              bubble up correctly was to be of - 1 - carnera the a c t o r      -Well, I'll make up some story then if it
I used thein together. In Deodoraw (lie laii2iiaLze is                           keeps thinking lie does it incor~ectly                            doesn't.
okay but it's too specifically set a s a parody of' an                            he Call SC 0 f rl ly (1) Ill and               t 1111 ill g
                                                                                                Or %0111 C I I I ing,
advertising commercial. Bubbicup                                                                                                                   W`W: I don't like Ibe coniniercially-oriented tapes
is better in that it's less one track       it's iio( so
                                                                                 hil I a c I kla I IV        i I's j us (      be                  so inuch any more, [lie ones that have their roots ill
                                                                                 Cil use I le wasil          in                (lie                sollieting that's familiar through a I T I C & L I M ,
illuch a gro le sque ex (e n Sion o I' a coininercki I                           PAUSI, "
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                                                                         i   I   Olt place.                                                        Mail Rav: (Yawn.)
Collibill's some t'e a I u re s o C a coriunc i c ia I wj                        WW Do y oil wall t to go on to sorn eth in g el
I I i the role of' a filin director.                                             se" LB: May.                                                      LB: Do you think they're tied in to a certain
LB: WIMI N' ULi edit thein into a half-houl - tape. is                           WAN ,      110 re , s ill] o I lie r ~ I ory.
                                                                                 -Where were you? We were looking ill over for                     C)Iiforriia sensibility?
the re all y a I I e in p I I o progra Ill d i I , ferell(
                                                                                 You.                                                              WNV, No, I don'( really. It wasjust a paiticular
lilpes. or do vou .
                                                                                 -1 went Shopping. -0h,                                            phase, I did most of' those lapes in a few weeks
            just keep the ones that are best on
                                                                                 what d'you get? I got a                                           ~itid was probably walching too much TV, I wenied
individual grounds?
                                                                                 new shirt. Looks nice.                                            comfortable dealing with products then - 1 that's what
MV: Well, uerieralk : I keep the ones that I did
                                                                                      D'you like it'?                                              I wimled to talk about, that's wha 1 1) a ppe ned I o
tozether to , _ , ether. Probably because I feel
                                                                                                                                                   be on illy ill i nd, I a I so wrote m os( o f Ili e fi rst
Collifortable Willi tile Spaces ill between and how
                                                                                 -Yeah, it's a great shirt. U's kind of big on you                                         sl o rie s. a I       (lie sa me ti
they read, I don't consciously 1 - it pieces (o , - , e th el
                                                                                 though. isn't it?                                                 Ili e an d Ill ey h ave it soine wh~i t Ozzie a n d I la
and ill one hal f 11 oil r o f tape             Ill ere' s
                                                                                 Well, once I wash it it'll shrink down to my                      rriet i sh flavor       you know, a Slit'll (IV
quite a range, I get into a Certain geal - and carry
                                                                                 SAM                                                               toligue-in-cheek , attitude toward that kind oflife, M
over ilie Sallie voice it' it secins ri -lit. So a wrics of
                                                                                   That shirCs not going to shrink, it's
pieces will have a st ill i1a r I , eel becallse lily                                                                                              I Vha I was I h a I hr~gfi I st e 1) s i a i i ~ ~e Yoi i
                                                                                 -anforized.
voice pattem, is alike ~ I ii 0 - ooked Slick, though.                                                                                             had b i jw i oha ir lasl I I igh I ,,      I V/1 c? I I I o
                                                                                 -Well, if it doesn't shrink I'll bring it back and get a
the voice pill t e ril.                         i s. sl i,) '                    smaller shirt.                                                    I I ~ 41 ed a so n I e o '
lilly diffei - enl: it's move deliberawk self-conscious.                                                                                           C(Pyle 01.1 - on m , v hand and 1his morning I
FITI trVillo to inlitate SCIlleolle Who's amazed or                                                                                                noticed )1717 fingers (ire sivotlen.
exciled about sonlethilli- , thal reallv isn ' t too
excitillu. 01' those three I like Deo&)1- 11111 Ieast~                                                                                        IT 4 1" V




  At one point I liked the idca of having the Sallie
  chai - :Ictor play hotli lolc%~ direciol - aThl actor.
  alld B14bbleup was a play on 1111ji, Splitting a
  character, One halfw.is oil screen aild (lie 0111CY
  01T SCI- COT). Zlild tile i1011V WaS that Ille actor utlIv
  S~ol it liuIll a( [lie clld~ when he was off scree 11 It's
  a I)i t I i ke            I hose IMZZle~.,~ Where vou
  have to 11-511re out ~ollletllillg vely ohvious,
  llow far ~ 1 1 1 j i n is and how lon

  it'll take ~ ari d ~, ou've (6vc ri        I l i liell u 1 1

  riecess'ary int orillatioll Lind diell you discover that
  1110 whole preinke is, falso and flie train doesn't

								
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