San Diego 1. James 2. Eden/Hannah 3. ACORN Employee #1 - Juan Carlos 4. ACORN Employee #2
James: I just took my ummmm Eden/Hannah: Oh my god this is immigration. They can talk about our calls the most. James: Okay. I uhhh just graduated from umm let's do the California Bar exams and University of San Diego also. James: Hello. Juan Carlos: Hello
James: Hi, um Eden/Hannah: Do you work here? Juan Carlos: James: Hello Juan Carlos: James: Hi Juan Carlos: Hi Yes Excuse me
James: We just had a question, ummm, about uhhh, housing to talk about our options and if we qualify for for housing or if you offer something like that. Juan Carlos: For, uhhh the program for what a first time buyers.
James: First time buyers and some other questions we wanted to ask you guys. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: If it's possible to talk just for a minute or two for some questions.
Juan Carlos: San Diego James: Okay. Juan Carlos: but we don't have it anymore in in in San Diego. Yeah, the program we don't have that right now here. Before we have it in
Eden/Hannah: Do you guys do a lot with immigration here? Juan Carlos: Yes.
Eden/Hannah: Yeah. James: That, we have some questions about that too if it's possible to ask. Juan Carlos: I can, I can give you a point cause [unintelligible] I can get you appointment
for [unintelligible]. (pause) Eden/Hannah: [unintelligible] James: Umm hmm. Wait a minute, I think we should ask him um about the um the i issue with the girls because it sounds sort of like a uh timely thing I don't know if they can help us. Eden/Hannah: I know James: That's why Eden/Hannah: [unintelligible] James: I know Juan Carlos: So what is your name?
Eden/Hannah: My name is Eden Juan Carlos: Eden?
Eden/Hannah: Yeah Juan Carlos: Last name?
Eden/Hannah: [unintelligible] Juan Carlos: What is your phone number?
Eden/Hannah: James he wants my phone number. James: Um, can I give you my phone number? You can ca, you ca get
Juan Carlos: Yeah that number yes yes na na na?
James: You can get her through my phone number Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: Yeah. It's 201 Juan Carlos: James: 201 Juan Carlos: James: 1 Juan Carlos: James: 637 Juan Carlos: James: 0564 Juan Carlos: You say something for immigration, huh? Okay. 1 OK 20 I't's ss 209
James: Well, yeah, but again it's a very unique. I don't even know Eden/Hannah: I don't even know if it's, I mean James: if this is something that's you can you can help us out with. Eden/Hannah: I don't even know if it's worth an appointment. Like, can we just run it by you? James: It's something I don't know if you can assist with? That's why Iwanted to come in and talk with you personally. Juan Carlos: Yeah
James: Ummm, it it involves some some girls coming over, Eden/Hannah: Yeah. James: over seas Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: from El Salvador James: from El Salvador?
Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: Um, my my girlfriend here is uh you know she's a prostitute. Juan Carlos: Oh.
James: She's in a unique line of business. She's in prostitution and um we're bringing in some some under age girls in from overseas, and I don't know if you want to tell him Eden/Hannah: Okay. Um, one of the guys that I work for here Juan Carlos: James: Ok Juan Carlos: Yes. Would you give me uh five minutes? I can I can assist you.
James: Thank you. Thank you. Juan Carlos: Give me a moment, and I will assist you.
Eden/Hannah: (whispers) [unintelligible] Juan Carlos: (long pause) Eden/Hannah: Um, um okay so um James: Can I pull up a chair? Juan Carlos: Yeah. Go ahead. [talking in background- unintelligible]
James: Okay. Thank you. Eden/Hannah: Um, uh, the guy that I work with he um is shipping 12 girls from El Salvador. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: Between the ages of 12 and 15 years old, and they're gonna be used for prostitution um I James: Wait. Before you before you begin um can you this is confidential, right? Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: Thank you. Eden/Hannah: It's like, it's not being recorded or anything? Juan Carlos: No. No. No. [unintelligible]
Eden/Hannah: Oh. Okay, um so he's bringing these girls in, and I don't want the girls to be with him because I'm in the process of leaving that pimp cuz I want to be independent and have Juan Carlos: In what area is uh this [unintelligible]?
Eden/Hannah: Um, downtown [unintelligible]. Juan Carlos: Ah, downtown?
Eden/Hannah: Yeah. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: Um, I don't I don't want him to have to get get these girls and if he does get them I don't want them to be with him for a long time. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: Because they're underage girls, and they're young, and I think that if I was able to get them and work with them that they'd be safer than with the pimp. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: So, I was kinda wondering like what you guys would be able to do and like any advice for bringing them in from overseas like I don't even know like the transportation. How they're gonna get here just that they're coming in this weekend from the ocean. So, Juan Carlos: So, so when when these ah people came they put them in a
Eden/Hannah: Like in a container or in the bottom of a boat or something like that. Juan Carlos: Yeah?
Eden/Hannah: Yeah. Juan Carlos: Will these peep will these ah people came for for El Salvador?
Eden/Hannah: El Salvador. Yeah. Yes. It's 12 girls. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: Hopefully, they all make it here alive. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
Eden/Hannah: You know? But they've he made a deal with a gangster er er whoever runs
that stuff, those rings down in El Salvador and he made a deal with him and he's gonna get all these girls and they're gonna be running the wild over in San Diego. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: So, instead of them running wild and being subjected to like a huge guy like and abuse and stuff like that. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: I want to be able to work with them, so they can work with me and have a girl that they can work with, instead of a guy. James: Because like she obviously knows more about the you know prostitution business than Eden/Hannah: and this James: you know this guy. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
Eden/Hannah: and, and um the guy is a really bad guy and he doesn't need to be making any more money and he steals money from me and my friends so I kinda wanna get away from him and take the girls so we can work together and and the girls will be more comfortable with another lady. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: So, that's kind of Juan Carlos: So, the an da dee area so dis the area you say it's downtown.
Eden/Hannah: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: So, the San San Diego area? It's ah
James: We're not exactly quite sure like Eden/Hannah: where they're gonna set up James: the we might wanna go through like a housing business of some type, a mortgage counselor or um qualify for a home that we can house Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: this business. This sex business. Ah, like you say you don't provide housing, so we might have to go through a different channel for that. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: But, maybe you can provide uh like counseling and guidance in terms of you know bringing in these girls cuz one of the problems I was um talking to Eden about was that you know we're gonna have a house with about a dozen or so Juan Carlos: Yeah
James: underage prostitutes. We don't want people in the community to give us any problems about this. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: You know. Um, we don't want we don't want people finding out, harassing us. We don't want the cops coming. You know, things like that, you know. I don't know if that's a housing issue, or if that's something that like just an immigration issue or something you guys can can deal Eden/Hannah: The thing is also like ever since I met him is when I wanted to leave my pimp and get away from that guy because he's been really nice to me and he's my boyfriend and I wanna be somehow independent from him. Juan Carlos: Hold on a second.
Eden/Hannah: Sure. James: Sure. Juan Carlos: (answers phone) Hello. (speaking spanish) Quinara. Hola. Como
estas?....(end of call). Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: So, I'm in this business, and he is gonna be a lawyer soon. James: Well, I just took the uh the California bar exam and I went to um U USD. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: and so, but I'm not I'm not from here. I'm from out East, so I don't know tttt too awful
much about downtown San Diego, and I don't have any family here or anything. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: But, um, I met her and we sort of fell in love and I'm trying to help her get set up here with this with this sex business and maybe even one day I can take like a percentage a percentage um like I dunno like 30% or something financially from the from the house that we're running Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: But, that's our situation. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: Especially, with these girls you know. They're, they're Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: from they're from the 3rd world. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: And it's I mean I can I can only imagine like how scary it was cuz like I was I'm from Miami and I was sold to the pimp here so like that was scary for me, but at least I was still in America. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: And these girls are coming from overseas like to somewhere really foreign and they're young, so I just need advice on how to carry on with that, you know. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: It is an immigration issue, I guess. So, Juan Carlos: So, is um so the telephone number is 201. What area is that?
James: It's from, from back East. That's if, I'm actually originally from New Jersey. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: 637-0564. Okay. So, that that's um the telephone we can contact you?
Eden/Hannah: Mmm hmm
James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: Okay. So, because the pro the program they have for the
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: first time buyers. We have it in San hurry an offer for for us.
James: I've, i've heard I got a referral from a friend I went to school with. He was like, I told him about my situation, and he said don't go to the banks because they're gonna discriminate, obviously, against you Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: and they're gonna give you a hard time for many obvious reasons. So, Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: they said you guys he, he dealt with you in San Bernardino and he said they were really helpful up there so you guys should go through ACORN and and find out what they can offer you. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: So, I dunno you know if this is something you can help us with or provide some type of guidance or if what you'd have to help us. Juan Carlos: Yeah, for the houses we're gonna start to to have the seminars here.
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: And uh and uh next month
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: and that's a program for first time buyers but I let me um understand what did
you wanna what do you want? James: I want to we well the two of us Eden/Hannah: I, I want I want a house. Juan Carlos: Okay.
Eden/Hannah: to be able to take these girls to. James: Well, that's one issue but I think we wanna be able to do this in a community
Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: without facing you know threats or or Eden/Hannah: danger James: danger from or or authorities coming over and getting in trouble. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: I don't want the Feds getting involved in this or anything like that. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: I want the cah I want I want assistance in the community to to prevent anyone from knowing about this or at least to help us or guidance or advice that you have about not letting anyone know there's underage girls in this building doing things they shouldn't be doing because I don't want and I don't know much about downtown San Diego. I don't Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: You know. I've only been here for about 2.5 years. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: So, that's that's what we need. Eden/Hannah: And, his we have to protect his reputation. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
Eden/Hannah: Like I can't ever be seen with him in public like if you know he's really scared about that. Seeing me James: Well, usually usually usually she doesn't dress like just like she is now. She just got off work. Eden/Hannah: So, James: So, I picked her up, but what so that's Juan Carlos: So you're just studying right now. You're not
James: No. I just took the bar exam. The California bar exam. Juan Carlos: Yeah, but you're not you're not
James: I'm looking for a job right now.
Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: But, this would be my primary source of income. Juan Carlos: This, this
Eden/Hannah: Well, it would be me but I would somehow get him money. James: The, the the girls. Eden/Hannah: You know. Juan Carlos: Yeah, the girls.
James: The girls would be my primary source of income. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: So, that's what I'm asking. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: So, wudda you wudda you think? Juan Carlos: next month. James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: And, the thing is you need you need to apply. I think we can um that we gonna have the first time home buyers program
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: And you need to because this one is really good because um this program
ACORN this ACORN program nobody have that (?). Eden/Hannah: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: now. James: Right. Juan Carlos: James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: (?) and give up on house- the banks. They don't know. They because they Cuz the people buying a house 4 years ago, they losing their house. That's why. And the situation right now is is that so people have house right
have a lot of house, they they have good deals right now. But so you need to seem to get a
house, but you need to prove you know income. You understand? James: Well, aside I well we're all we're all dealing exclusively with cash, Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: here, but one thing that someone told me to do we might be able to do is um is to uh um my friend in law school he said what you can do sometimes when you apply for a home Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: is you can classify it not as prostitution, but as performing arts on the 1090 Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: the tax form. Cuh, we can do something like Juan Carlos: Yeah. 1090 is tax form. Yeah.
James: We can do something like that, right? Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: Just not classify it as prostitution Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: But just like dancing or performing arts, and that that way we can declare it as um um declare it as as income Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: and pay taxes and have it be official. Juan Carlos: Because uh you need a house. [unintelligible]
Eden/Hannah: Yeah. It's not a rental. It's a house. James: Yeah. Well, well what do you think about that idea- de declaring it as uh performing arts? Eden/Hannah: It's all like really confusing to me like what does that mean? All of this? Juan Carlos: I think it's good to to because we have um uh 2 lawyers
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: working for our programs
James: Okay. Juan Carlos: James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: and we can work we can deal for you can get a house because sometimes and if you're interested came to the seminar
when you do your taxes James: Right. Juan Carlos: you, you have your own business you need to prove the income. The income
James: Well, we can prove it by classifying it as uh performing arts. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: Isn't that a way to do it? Eden/Hannah: Isn't proving your incoming just giving cash to somebody like obviously James: No. You have ta you have to classify it Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: and the tax form Eden/Hannah: Oh. James: is something so I'm I'm explaining to him is that you can classify it as um as not as prostitution but as performing arts. That way we can declare all the income. We can get past that first hurdle. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: Do you think that's something we can do? Juan Carlos: The, the, the problem first time buyers is is is good because it's you never
have a house before. James: Right. Juan Carlos: Yeah, and you that's that's the program is for people that never had a house.
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: But, the the the thing right now is that house when you get a house that
house you need to live in that house that's why.
James: Mmm hmm Juan Carlos: And, and you focus that house only for for business, not for live or you focus
Eden/Hannah: Well, I'll live there. Juan Carlos: so you focus
Eden/Hannah: I'll live there. Juan Carlos: that for live.
James: But it's mostly, it's mostly about a business, though. Juan Carlos: Yeah. Yeah.
Eden/Hannah: But, but I'll live there and run my business from there. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
Eden/Hannah: And the girls will live there. Juan Carlos: Yeah. Both. Both. Okay.
Eden/Hannah: Yeah. James: Right. Juan Carlos: you're not James: Well, can this be a legitimate business? This prostitution? Juan Carlos: James: Okay. Juan Carlos: You need to check. You need to check. Because uh the program for first time Nee, nee you need to check. That's really important because you say no it's only for business. Maybe
buyers is for the people that never have a house. James: We've never had a house. Juan Carlos: Yeah. And, and we don't [unintelligible] for people that never had a house.
That's good. You're not, you don't have to be married to that person. You can get 4 or 5 friends? James: Well, there are gonna be 13 underage girls, not just 4 or 5. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: So is that gonna be a problem? Eden/Hannah: They'll be 12 and Juan Carlos: James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: James: Okay. Juan Carlos: James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: Maybe you you can't have the control for that house. that put it. Well, you gonna you can put all that's gonna work on there. they gonna be probably 4 or 5 persons and the title When you by a house
Eden/Hannah: Well, I mean they're gonna be underage. So, how could I write them um like like could they be like my sisters or something like that? James: Could we get like a child tax credit for them? Claim them as dependents? Juan Carlos: Yeah.
Eden/Hannah: We could? James: Okay. Juan Carlos: James: Um, Juan Carlos: before? Eden/Hannah: Not me. Not me. James: That's because it's all cash right now. Juan Carlos: Yeah. So, you you right now you you never have a house? You never do a tax Yeah.
James: So, we need to find a way to make this legal and legitimate. Juan Carlos: can Yeah. That, that there there fer because you need to do that tax for for if you
James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: Before you uh you apply.
James: But, we just want to make sure that it's okay that we can classify this as performing arts on the 1090 tax form and also that you know we um we wanna make it um legitimate and legal Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: because prostitution is illegal in California. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: So, we need to make it legal. So, we need to make sure we go we we we write the right things on the form. Eden/Hannah: Yeah, and like we wanted to make sure like like i've I'm I mean we wanted to make sure that like you guys would be able to work with us and help us out. James: Can you help us even though we're like from coming from a you know Eden/Hannah: kind of a weird situation Juan Carlos: number. James: Yeah. Eden/Hannah: Yeah. James: Yep. Juan Carlos: [unintelligible] So, you're name is? Yeah. Let me, let me, so where the cont I can contact you to this telephone
James: My name is James um Eden/Hannah: Edward. James: James Edward. Juan Carlos: And Iden, iden?
Eden/Hannah: Eden. James: No, it's Eden. E D E N Eden/Hannah: E D E N
Juan Carlos: [unintelligible] Eden/Hannah: Yes, sir. Juan Carlos: So, you're income? Right, so you're not you don't have income at this time?
James: Well, she we Eden/Hannah: Well James: have she makes a lot of money. She has some really high profile clients in California. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: Um, she's one of the best prostitutes in the state of California believe it or not. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: So, she gets paid Eden/Hannah: I did that. I did that pretty fast. James: She gets paid hundreds of dollars per visit so we we we're raking in income we expect when the when the when the girls come over we expect to makin about you know a hundred dollars on each of these girls a day. So, we're lookin at over a thousand dollars a day in income. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: And then I'm gonna take a cut of that. A cut of that money and hopefully use if for like a political campaign that I'm running. Juan Carlos: James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: That's good. Oh, really?
Eden/Hannah: Well, when he's like an established lawyer, he wants to run for office one day. James: Well, not for a couple years. You know I need to Eden/Hannah: Yeah after James: I need to get myself established like in the community.
Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: But, one day I think it'd be really lucrative to use this money towards it my political campaign. I'm really big in the Democratic party down here. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: Just like the local like the um like the se you know I was big in the college democrats. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: And I also go up to Sacramento. I interned up there. So, I'm just sort of getting used to the political scene, but I wanna run a campaign for congress like 3 years down the road. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: So, I think it would be excellent if I could maybe take a cut of this money I Eden/Hannah: Cuz the more money you have, they better chances you have at winning, so James: Well, advertising is expensive so I was thinking of taking a cut of the money and using it toward my campaign. Eden/Hannah: And if I like you know have a house and have a business, then people will know me more in a community cuz like for now like I go from city to city wherever the money like wherever my high profile clients want me to go, but like if I have a house with the girls then I'll be in the community and people will know me and then like I could get them, if he's still around near me, like in the area then like he could I could maybe rally people and he would have more money and I could get people to vote for him. So an, that’s like, that’s like our plan. Juan Carlos: Yeah, that’s good. So you, ah so you not working right now at something to,
to get taxes and everything? James: No. Eden/Hannah: No. I have all cash right now. Juan Carlos: So your area you’re working where is this ? Downtown? The city?
Eden/Hannah: Downtown. Sometimes, sometimes LA
James: All over though. You just got back from LA. I mean that’s where a lot of the wealthy clients are. Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: But ah, ah as a Latino man, do you have any recommendations in terms of Eden/Hannah: The girls. James: the El Salvadorian girls coming over and, and making sure they don’t get caught like by people in the community. Eden/Hannah: The girls are coming this weekend. Juan Carlos: Okay.
James: That’s why its sort of an emergency situation. Eden/Hannah: That’s kind of why we like ran in here for help because I want to get them before the pi, the pimp has time to bond with them. And, and you know herd them away. So, I don’t know how to deal with that. Juan Carlos: So do you know, you don know what day? What day they are coming?
James: The day Eden/Hannah: No, they’re coming on Saturday. James: Saturday morning. Eden/Hannah: Saturday. Juan Carlos: Saturday.
Eden/Hannah: Well like, like Friday night, Saturday morning. Like James: Really late though. In the middle of the night. Eden/Hannah: Secret. Like in the middle of the night. Like between 2 a.m. and 5 a.m. So… Juan Carlos: So, that they, they working at that?
Eden/Hannah: Their working on that, you know arrival. So, I don’t know like. I obviously don’t have to get there like jump in a car and herd them away right away Juan Carlos: Yeah.
Eden/Hannah: but I need to get them sometime this weekend. So I don’t know how to set
that up. Juan Carlos: Let me see. ACORN Employee #2: Excuse me. Carlos, I just want to make sure, do you have this information for the meeting tomorrow? [pause] I sent you an email about it. [pause] Nope. Juan Carlos: No
ACORN Employee #2: Ok you could ask me about it later. Juan Carlos: Ok, ok.
ACORN Employee #2: I’m sorry. Juan Carlos: [long pause] James: Ouch. That hurts. That’s Eden/Hannah: I need a massage. [long pause] Juan Carlos: So you’ve never heard for this organization? ACORN? James: What’s that? Juan Carlos: you’ve never heard… Eden/Hannah: Well, well he, he, he knows about it. James: I don’t…Some friends of mine referred me to this organization. They said that the, I should talk to you guys because you’d probably be the least, the least, um hostile towards us. Eden/Hannah: He um, he assured me that you guys would be the friendliest and most helpful um he told me. Juan Carlos: Ok, let’s do this. Let me, let me see anything about it. Ok, thanks.
James: um huh. Juan Carlos: See and let me contact to you. Because this program this, this Saturday happen? James: That’s, its coming and like I need to think about the plan for this Saturday . Like do
you have any immediate advice for me? Just ah, like right, right now in terms of planning for their arrival like what, what I can do? Juan Carlos: Oh, you,you,you, it’s better, you have email, you have email? Eden/Hannah: I have an email, yeah. Juan Carlos: Could you write it? James: Sh, Should he contact me or you? Eden/Hannah: Well, I’ve got an email. James: Alright. Eden/Hannah: I mean, I love the computer. Juan Carlos: I don like it computers. Eden/Hannah: I hate phones. Juan Carlos: [cough] Juan Carlos: So you’re from? What? You’re from? James: I’m from, I’m from back east. I live in New Jersey for just like a little bit. Juan Carlos: To - too cold out there. Me, too.
James: Yeah, it’s cold. Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: It’s nice out here. It’s sunny. Juan Carlos: California, it is the best. James: Yeah. Are you from California? Juan Carlos: No, I’m from ahhh Mexico City. James: Oh. Juan Carlos: Yeah, Mexico City. I grew up in the [unintelligible] James: Oh yeah? Juan Carlos: Yeah. I’m a lawyer. James: Oh really?
Juan Carlos: Yeah. I’m [unintelligible] 1. Where did you go to school? Juan Carlos: In Mexico. James: Oh. Juan Carlos: Yeah. [unintelligible] a long time ago. James: You take the California bar? Juan Carlos: Yay No. I’m not [unintelligible] I tried. It’s too, it’s too hard.
James: It is, it is hard. It’s a hard bar exam. Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: It’s a long hard exam. Juan Carlos: Yeah. But ah when you finish this, this ah ah to work in the what thus do ah what do you like to do ah. James: Well I like, I like criminal defense. Juan Carlos: Criminal defense? James: I did a um, I, I did an internship with the district attorneys office Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: And a, actually in L.A. and it was really good cause I worked with gangs. But um, I’ve also done sort of like defense. I like criminal law. Juan Carlos: Oh. James: And it will defiantly help me because I’m gonna have, if I get in any trouble Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: or if she gets in any trouble with the girls, I’m, I’m gonna need to know law but you know. That’s why this is so weird… Eden/Hannah: And it would be a good story, like if I ever got in trouble, and then he could come to my rescue like as a defense lawyer. And then, and then, people would see us like in the public and then it would be like, he would be like “Oh, I just fell in love with the prostitute”. And then we could have a public relationship. I just thought about that. That would work.
James: That would work. Eden/Hannah: I don’t want ta get in trouble with the law though. James: Yeah. [pause] But you say you. Juan Carlos: This is a Eden/Hannah: Q Juan Carlos: Q Eden/Hannah: T Juan Carlos: T Eden/Hannah: Smalls S…M.. Juan Carlos: 2. A…L…L… Juan Carlos: L…L… S…M…
Eden/Hannah: C Juan Carlos: C? Eden/Hannah: Um hum. Juan Carlos: 6 Eden/Hannah: 69 Juan Carlos: 69 Eden/Hannah: at gmail.com James: um…but yeah, it is um unfortunately prostitution is illegal in California. So I’ve got to be really careful about, you know, cause I took the bar exam I had to take the oath on the bar. Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: Where it’s you know, your not going to breaking any law. So I have to keep her at a distance. I can’t, I can’t be really involved in this aside from just you know, Juan Carlos: Yeah, cause you maybe you get in trouble with you when you get a lawyer. James: That’s right.
Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: So I’ve got to be really careful not only about the girls and about the bringing the girls in on Saturday but also about the ah keeping myself distant from this you know. Eden/Hannah: But being in love and making money shouldn’t be against the law. You know? So. Juan Carlos: You need, you need, you need see. I probably what I need, I want to call you tomorrow. James: Tomorrow? Juan Carlos: Tomorrow, yeah. That’s you, that’s you, that’s your cell phone number. Eden/Hannah: That’s, that’s my cell phone. James: Yeah. Um hum. Juan Carlos: That’s your cell phone number. James: Um hum. Juan Carlos: That’s, that’s that’s both, that’s your contact. I contact you any hour.
James: Um hum. Juan Carlos: Ok James: And you’ll contact me before the girls come over? Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: And let me know any thoughts? Juan Carlos: Yeah. Eden/Hannah: So …what’s James: We’re, we’re gonna, we’re gonna talk to the, the um ah, the person whose doing the shipment. Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: Um. Juan Carlos: Yeah and get more information – that’s good. James: I need to figure out like what, what things do you need um from, for our phone call
tomorrow? What things do you need from me in terms of like the shipment information. What can I give you, what information would you further need would help you in, in advice you would give me? Juan Carlos: The location. James: The location? Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: Where, whereabouts like what type like the city? State? What do you need? Juan Carlos: Ahhh the location, they gonna, they ga [wispers] [unintelligible] afternoon. James: That’s fine. Any time after five works actually. Juan Carlos: Ok, [unintelligible] James: So what information do you need from me the location where the girls are being shipped? Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: What else? Juan Carlos: And I need that its possible to maybe I like dis is you say private. James: Yes Juan Carlos: I ah because we work before with the lawyers James: Ok Juan Carlos: Ah, ah, you say um, district lawyers. James: What are they called? Juan Carlos: District lawyers. James: District attorneys? Juan Carlos: District attorneys. James: The prosecutors? Juan Carlos: Yes. James: You’re working with the prosecutors? Juan Carlos: Yeah.
James: Well then that’s, that’s not good. Juan Carlos: Yeah, that’s not good but le me, le me see. [long pause] I think I want to send an email to you. James: Okay. Juan Carlos: I’m gonna send email what you’re looking for. Eden/Hannah: You know but how do we know like, honestly like I don’t feel very comfortable right now. Like, I just like gave you a bunch of info and I don’t know if we trust you like. James: Oh, that, that they said, they said that ACORN was a. they’re different then the banks. Eden/Hannah: I know but like I’m still scared. I don’t know James: These people are not gonna Juan Carlos: No, we help people. James: You have a, you’re not going to take her [inaudible] Juan Carlos: No. James: They’re not going to do it. They’re not like the bankers. They’re not like them. Um Juan Carlos: So why you scared? [unintelligible] Eden/Hannah: Well because its like a lot, its like my future because you guys got an organization. I just don’t want to get in trouble. Like how, how, I don’t know. Juan Carlos: Yeah. Eden/Hannah: Like, like do you guys? I don’t know. James: They’re not, they’re not like those bankers. These people are like legitimate. They, they are different then all the people that you met with before. I told you this. Juan Carlos: We’ve got good persons at our business.
Eden/Hannah: You’re the good guys? Juan Carlos: Yeah. Eden/Hannah: He told me that you guys were. James: That’s what – remember my friend Dave? He’s, he had that issue I told you about. I
was telling you about up in San Bernadino? They’re, these people are legit their not gonna, their not gonna, its fine. But, I know you’re a busy man so I just want ta is is just this guys gonna call me in about an hour actually. Juan Carlos: Okay. James: You say need the location. Now he said the location might be in um, it might be over the boarder in Mexico. Juan Carlos: Okay. James: Um is it? Ahhh Juan Carlos: Boarder? James: It’s over the boarder, over the boarder in Mexico in Tijuana. Juan Carlos: Okay. James: Okay that’s where their gonna get shipped. Eden/Hannah: Maybe. James: Maybe. Um, I’m, I’m gonna. Juan Carlos: You’re gonna cross the .. James: I’m givin ‘em some cash. Okay. So logistically, I mean is it better if it’s Tijuana, is it better if it’s um somewhere inland? Where, where is the best place? Um its like all these answers he wants right away. Juan Carlos: Is better in Tijuana. James: Tijuana? Why? Juan Carlos: Because I have a lot of contact in Tijuana. James: Okay. And, they might be able to ah assist in crossing the boarder? Juan Carlos: Yeah. James: Okay. There’s like twelve of them is that okay? Juan Carlos: Twelve? James: Twelve Eden/Hannah: Twelve girls.
James: There’s twelve girls but they’re like there’s like thirteen to fifteen years old. Juan Carlos: Oh yeah? James: Yeah. Juan Carlos: Wha, I want to contact you only now for email. James: Got it . Got it. Eden/Hannah: Okay. Juan Carlos: [unintelligible] James: Okay, Well I’ll … Juan Carlos: Gimme, gimme, gimme, I want to contact you email tomorrow. James: Okay. But I’m going to find out what the prices are for that option and he had some kind of other option. He said Tijuana and he said by the water right downtown, right on the ocean. Juan Carlos: Okay James: And then he said some other option like way far inland. Like, like 50 or 100 miles inland. I have no idea how this works. I’m new to this but he, he wanted a s, a sum of money up front. So that’s why it’s like a little bit shady and ahhh Eden/Hannah: We’re doing this behind the pimps back with the guy, with the guy whose James: I’m trying to orchestrate this all by myself but I don’t know anything… Eden/Hannah: We thought the pimp was … James: I don’t know anything about this stuff it’s like completely screwed up to me. I don’t know, well I wouldn’t do it this way and he goes “ You give me this much money, I’ll set up for like this.” So I gotta find out some information. Juan Carlos: You need, I going to contact you by email James: Okay, Alright. Alright. Juan Carlos: Okay. James: Thank you. [pause] Thank you again. Um hum. What? Are you comfortable? You alright?
Eden/Hannah: Um hum. James: Do you have like a phone number we can call or a card or something with your name? [long pause] Juan Carlos: Don’ give me that, his telephone number. James: Just give me your cell phone or something like that. Juan Carlos: What I’ll do is…. James: And like, she’s pretty freaked out right now, can you not tell anyone because she’s been giving me a hard time about people finding out. Juan Carlos: I’ll call you. James: Thank you. Juan Carlos: This is the telephone for my office. I’m going to give you my private number. [long pause] Well its better I can send you an email. James: Okay. That’s fine. Juan Carlos: This is ah, this is a cell phone number. This is a cell phone number. James: You’re name is Juan? Juan Carlos: Juan Carlos. James: Oh , well appreciate you’re time. I really appreciate that. Oh, I’m sorry. Juan Carlos: Okay, take care James: Thank you. Eden/Hannah: Thank you. James: Bye bye. This way? This way? [whispers]
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