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Re: Time Team dig for Henry III's lost sacristy at
Westminster Abbey

Source: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.history.medieval/2010−04/msg00338.html



      • From: Renia <renia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      • Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:18:12 +0300

John Briggs wrote:

       On 20/04/2010 13:45, Renia wrote:

               John Briggs wrote:

                      On 20/04/2010 03:41, Paul J Gans wrote:

                              James Beck<jdbeck11209@xxxxxxxxx>
                              wrote:

                                     On Mon, 19 Apr 2010
                                     01:23:06 +0000 (UTC),
                                     Paul J Gans
                                     <gansno@xxxxxxxxx>
                                     wrote:



                                             John
                                             Briggs<john.briggs4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
                                             wrote:

                                                     On
                                                     18/04/2010
                                                     22:18,
                                                     Renia
                                                     wrote:

                                                             "Time
                                                             Team
                                                             have
                                                             dug
                                                             at
                                                             some
                                                             of
                                                             Britain's
                                                             most

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               Re: Time Team dig for Henry III's lost sacristy at Westminster Abbey
                                                          famous
                                                          buildings,
                                                          but
                                                          Westminster
                                                          Abbey
                                                          must
                                                          be
                                                          the
                                                          grandest
                                                          of
                                                          them
                                                          all.

                                                          Largely
                                                          built
                                                          by
                                                          Henry
                                                          III
                                                          in
                                                          the
                                                          13th
                                                          century,
                                                          the
                                                          Abbey
                                                          is
                                                          a
                                                          centrepiece
                                                          of
                                                          British
                                                          history
                                                          and
                                                          was
                                                          the
                                                          burial
                                                          place
                                                          of
                                                          royalty
                                                          for
                                                          500
                                                          years.

                                                          Our
                                                          goal
                                                          over
                                                          the
                                                          three
                                                          days
                                                          was
                                                          to
                                                          relocate
                                                          the

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                                                           lost
                                                           medieval
                                                           sacristy
                                                           of
                                                           Henry
                                                           III.
                                                           This
                                                           would
                                                           have
                                                           housed
                                                           the
                                                           many
                                                           treasures
                                                           of
                                                           the
                                                           Abbey
                                                           and
                                                           its
                                                           location
                                                           was
                                                           a
                                                           mystery."



                                                   They
                                                   actually
                                                   found
                                                   what
                                                   was
                                                   at
                                                   best
                                                   a
                                                   vestry,
                                                   and
                                                   at
                                                   worst
                                                   a
                                                   corridor.
                                                   They
                                                   also
                                                   seemed
                                                   to
                                                   think
                                                   that
                                                   the
                                                   nave
                                                   of
                                                   Edward's
                                                   church
                                                   was

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                                                         "Norman".


                                                Somebody
                                                will have to
                                                explain to
                                                me how you
                                                lose a
                                                sacristy.



                                       Pretty easily. It's often just a
                                       storage space by one or
                                       more of the
                                       entrances. Rooms like that
                                       are often repurposed.
                                       Sometimes they're
                                       sealed up. A generation
                                       later, they're forgotten.


                               Sure. I had assumed that Westminster Abbey
                               would have had some
                               ground plans that survived. A number do,
                               but certainly not every
                               abbey or cathedral's did.


                       This is a truly mysterious statement! For just about all
                       medieval
                       building, the evidence is the surviving structure. As
                       Westminster
                       Abbey is pretty well intact, any other evidence is truly
                       secondary.



               Your own statement is just as mysterious.

               There are ground plans for Westminster Abbey, but not necessarily
               contemporaneous with the time it was built.


       Really? And what date is the earliest?


Couldn't say, but they were shown on the programme. Ask your friend!




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        > There are also plans which

                include information from previous archaeological digs there.


        The documentation isn't all that one would wish for.



Indeed, particuarly as previous archaeologists made mistakes.



                Whether Westminster Abbey is "pretty well intact" is open to debate,
                depending on which church, Abbey or period you are talking about.

                It is known Henry III intended to build, or did build, a second
                sacristy. It is not there now, therefore, the Abbey, from this period,
                is not "pretty well intact", otherwise there wouldn't be digs to look
                for it.


        Actually, these things aren't "known"



Documents were shown or referred to on the programme which showed Henry's intention to build a second
sacristy. I can't remember whether documents were shown which show he actually did build one, but your
friend would know.
.




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