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									Page 1 - DRAFT Minutes, April 2004

               Ontario Fire Service Advisory Committee
                        (Section 21Committee)

                           April 19 & 20, 2004
                            The Holiday Inn
                        970 Dixon Road, Toronto

Starting at noon, Monday April 19, 2004

Terry Allen                OAFC
Andy Kostiuk               AMO
Daryl Stephenson           OPFFA
Tim Boychuck               OAFC
Wayne Sutherland           OFM
Chris Powers               OAFC
ROD McEachern              FFAO
Graham Dart                AMO
Gerry Pedwell              OPFFA
Ellard Beaven              OPFFA
Darren Storey              FFAO
Matt Pegg                  OAFC
Richard McCurdy            OPFFA

Roy Ford                   MOL Facilitator
Karen Hanna                MOL

Bob Kay                    Chief Mechanical Officer (Hamilton Fire Dept.)
Rob Anselmi                Chief Mechanical Officer (Toronto Fire Services)
Tim Metcalfe               Command Co-ordinator (Toronto Fire Service)

1.       a) New member, Matt Pegg, of the OAFC was introduced to the
         committee at this meeting (this is a correction to the previous

         b) Karen Hanna, of the MOL, was introduced to the committee.

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   2.       The Agenda was reviewed and discussed. The following changes
            were made:

            a) The presentation by Jana Gillis, President of the OMFPOA was
               deferred to a later meeting.
            b) The presentation by Doug Hicks, on WSIB‟s Workwell Program,
               was also deferred to a later meeting.

  3.       Presentations:
            a) Diesel Engines & Emergency Shut-Off Devices Presentation

            It was brought to the attention of the committee that a ULC
            subcommittee has tabled a motion for an amendment to an existing
            standard. The amendment is for a change in wording to the
            National Standard of Canada Can/ULC-S515-M88 “Standard for
            Automobile Fire Fighting Apparatus” that would remove the
            mandatory requirement for “a manual emergency shut-off device”.
            These devices are used to prevent harm to personnel and
            equipment damage in the event of a diesel engine “runaway”. Bob
            Kay and Rob Anselmi presented their differing views on the ULC‟s
            subcommittee‟s motion and its effect on safety to personnel, and
            mechanical and departmental operational efficiencies. Some
            concerns highlighted were:

               differences between NFPA and ULC requirements
               frequency of occurrence of diesel engine runaways
               awareness and training to vehicle operators of potential hazard
               redundancy features on newer vehicles (electronics)
               inadvertent activation and potential costs and associated
               suggestion made for incorporation of issue with OHSA Reg.
               lawsuits (US) stemming from employer‟s failure of due diligence
                (re no installation of shut-off device)

            After careful consideration of the available information, the
           committee has adopted the position that, at a minimum, diesel
           engine vehicles should have automatic emergency shut-off devices
           for the prevention of the hazards associated with engine runaway,
           for the protection of personnel. A letter will be drafted and forwarded
           to the ULC, and copied to the Regulations Committee.

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             Action:       Tim Boychuck

         b) Heat Stress Management and Rehabilitation Presentation

         The Toronto Fire Service in conjunction with the Department of
         Defence R&D Canada (DRDC) have performed research, funded
         by the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB), on the
         subject of Heat Stress Management, as it relates to firefighting
         operations. Firefighters incur thermal strain when performing
         firefighting activities; therefore the aim of this research was to
         identify safe work limits for firefighters in different ambient
         conditions. Mr. Tim Metcalfe provided a presentation on the
         research findings from the report entitled “the Management of Heat
         Stress for Firefighters”, to the committee. Details of the research
         can be obtained through contacting Mr. Metcalfe directly, or via the

         Findings of note from this research are as follows:

            the development of a “slide rule” to be used by departments as a
             tool to assist in identifying safe work limits for firefighters, based
             on a classification of the type of work performed and varying
             ambient temperatures. Research was based on a relative
             humidity of 50%.
            replacement of station uniform pants, with shorts, to assist in
             reduction of worker heat stress
            importance of effective non-caffinated fluid replacement and an
             increase in worker exposure time
            the importance and effectiveness of “active cooling” (forearm
             and hand immersion) versus passive cooling methods and its
             effects on worker exposure time

         Due to the lack of studies specific to the fire service on this subject,
         the committee recommends that departments obtain and review a
         copy of this document to identify and determine key elements that
         could be included in their health and safety programs.

         c) Fire-Streams & Ventilation Structural Firefighting

         Chris Powers provided a presentation on fire- stream use in the fire
         service. He questions whether departments are aware if they are
         identifying and receiving adequate volumes and flow rates, when
         crews are performing fire attacks, primarily interior attacks where

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             firefighter protection is tantamount. He contends that, at proper
             flow rates, reaction forces created on attack lines with limited
             manpower cause the nozzle operator to gate-back the fog nozzle or
             widen the pattern to reduce the reaction force. He stated this
             reaction creates a hazard to the firefighter by reducing the volume
             of water for efficient firefighting efforts. For this reason, he says he
             is a proponent of the use of solid bore or low-pressure nozzles,
             versus fog nozzles. He has suggested that a guidance note -
             “Structural Firefighting: Fire Streams and Ventilation”         be drafted
             for review by the committee.

         Highlights of this presentation:
             Transitional challenges to the fire service have taken away focus
               from live-firefighting skill development
             Risk Analysis Chart cites firefighting activities as high risk/low
               frequency events, which means decisions and actions must be
               taken immediately, stressing the need for training vigilance
             Not enough water is supplied for fighting fires
             Documentation available shows that solid bore nozzles lessen
               reaction forces and provide more volume
             Importance of ventilation should be stressed
             Stress training on straight stream application
             Routine flow testing, calibration verification, maintenance (i.e.
               lubrication) of combination nozzles is recommended
             NFPA 1710 - stress importance of back-up line for ventilation
             Fire College does not presently use/teach solid stream nozzle

         For more information please contact Chief Chris Powers - Oakville fire

   4. Review Of Minutes

         The minutes of the meeting held in January 2004 were reviewed:
         a)    Identifying size of SCBA Bottles vs. duration of use:

         Information for the appropriate selection of SCBA bottles was provided
         to the committee. It was discussed that with the advent of big block
         stores, firefighter safety is placed at risk, due to long, travel distances
         and limited air supply. It was noted that requirements for SCBA
         selection for rescue workers, is identified in Section 266 of the OHSA
         Regulations for Construction Projects. The committee anticipates
         development of a guidance note in this area.

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                Action: Rod McEachern

   5. Business Arising from Minutes

         a) HIV Prophylaxis: Committee letter to the Min. of Health (MOH)

         Concerns were raised on the availability of the HIV Prophylaxis
         cocktail, especially in the more remote communities, for the fire service.
         A letter documenting these concerns will be sent to the MOH.

                Action: Terry Allen

 6.      Guidance Notes & Comments Form:

         a) Safe Roof Operations:
            The draft GN was reviewed and discussed. Concerns were raised
            regarding requirements of the Act (i.e. Fall Arrests) and its
            application to the fire service operation. To be sent out to
            stakeholders for consultation.

                       Action: Ministry of Labour

         b) Wellness
            The committee discussed the need to produce a GN on Wellness.

                       Action: Terry Allen

         c) Ventilation Saws
            Consultation Process is completed

                       Action: To be forwarded to OAFC and OPFFA websites.

         d) Rehabilitation:
            GN was reviewed and discussed. Some minor changes were
            made. Some aspects of the TFS Heat Stress Study have been
            incorporated. GN will be sent to stakeholders for consultation.

                       Action: Ministry of Labour

         e) Heat and Cold Stress:
            Consultation process is completed.

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                         Action: To be forwarded to OAFC and OPFFA websites.

         f)   Comment Form
              It was discussed that modifications will be made to the existing
              feedback form utilized by individuals of departments during the
              guidance note review and approval process. This modification will
              help facilitate a response by Section 21Committee Co-chairs,
              directly back to those responding with input on the form.
              Respondents will be thanked for their input and informed what
              effect their input has had with respect to the development process.

                         Action: Gerry Pedwell

7.       Presentation on Fire Streams and Ventilation by Chris Powers

8.       Confined Space Regulation:

         Andy Kostiuk provided an update on the development of the MOL
         Confined Spaces Regulation to the committee. Members of committee
         were invited by the MOL to provide input, due to the impact on the fire
         service. The regulatory team has completed consultations and the
         regulation should be in the Gazette by June 2004, with a tentative
         implementation date of December 2004. Some issues under
         consideration include:

                 definition of a confined space not to include in-house training
                 wording changes which would ensure that rescue provisions are
                  in place on-site, prior to entry into a confined space
                 wording such as “under the direction of the responding fire
                  department” to identify jurisdictional issues

9.       a)       Fire Services Program Manual:

                  It was discussed that revisions and updates to the Fire Services
                  Program Manual will be maintained by the MOL on websites of
                  both the OAFC and OPFFA.

         b)       Firefighter Protective Equipment (O.Reg. 714/94) –
                  Regulatory Review

                  It was mentioned that the regulatory review process was

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              underway. Members from this committee are working with the
              Policy Branch of the MOL on draft amendments. Roy Ford
              provided the committee with a draft report detailing proposed
              changes to the existing legislation, which include the rationale
              for the change, in some cases. Some proposed changes
                          definitions, i.e. „part-time‟ firefighter.
                          transfer of maintenance records for sale of
                            vehicles between departments
                          wording to eliminate riding on tailboards, limited
                          more NFPA compatibility
                          seat belt advisory

         c)   Health and Safety Action Groups

              Karen Hanna, MOL representative, updated the committee on
              the Ministry‟s new strategy of creating sector-specific „action
              groups‟ chaired by the Minister of Labour. Presently, groups
              have been identified for the manufacturing, health care and
              construction sectors. It is the goal of the Minister to have these
              groups assist in identifying industry best practices and areas of
              deficiencies, in an effort to assist in the reduction of workplace

         d)   Statistical Analysis of Events by Sector

              The MOL has performed and compiled statistical analyses of
              accident reports by sectors. The information is compiled from
              Ministry of Labour and Safety Officer field visits and provides
              statistics for 29 sectors in Ontario. Some of the sectors
              identified are fire, agriculture, chemical, electrical, and

         e)   Confined Spaces

                 The Section 21 Committee‟s Confined Space GN will be
                 reviewed and revised to reflect the new regulation discussed
                 in #8 above.

                     Action: Rob McEachern & Andy Kostiuk

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         f)   MOL – Timmins-Elliot Lake

              I. City of Timmins - Appeal of MOL Order & Settlement

                      The Committee was informed that an agreement has
                      been reached between The City of Timmins Fire
                      Department and its Association. This agreement is
                      regarding a resolution to the Association‟s appeal to an
                      MOL order. Some highlights of this agreement are:

                            mandatory specified training requirements for
                             senior management and volunteer officers;
                            mandate for Joint Health and Safety Committees
                             to be consulted on program improvements;
                            criteria for „departmental promotions‟ to be
                            incident command criteria to be established.

                II.     MOL’s Stop Work Order - City of Elliott Lake

                       The committee discussed a „Stop Work Order” issued
                       by the Ministry of Labour to the Fire Department of the
                       City of Elliot Lake. The order was issued due to the
                       failure by the employer to provide documented training
                       specific to a piece of equipment as referenced in the
                       OHSA and the Section 21 Committee‟s Guidance Notes.

         g)     Bill C-45

                       The committee was provided an update on Bill C-45
                      related issues. It appears that some police departments
                      are attending MOL workplace accident investigations to
                      assess areas of “wanton and reckless” endangerment
                      can be identified. If so, charges can now be laid under
                      this amended provision of the Criminal Code. The Sec 21
                      Committee is urging departments to practice due
                      diligence, as any failure to do so could result in those
                      organizations and individuals who are seen as “the
                      directing minds”, charged under the Criminal Code. It
                      should also be noted that, unlike the OHSA, there are no
                      time limits for the police to lay charges.

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         h)     Work-Well Audit

                Doug Hicks of the WSIB has offered the Committee to do a
                presentation on the above subject at a future meeting.

         i)     Section 21 Committee Appreciation Plaques

                The Committee was informed that appreciation plaques will be
                provided to some former members of the Section21 Committee,
                at the June 2004 meeting.

                      Action: Terry Allen & Daryl Stephenson

   10.        CACC Notification

           A Section 21 sub-committee met with MOH representatives to
          discuss “Tiered Medical Response” concerns raised (i.e. adequate
          notification, delays, patients already packaged when firefighters
          arrive, risks to public, etc.). Members of the MOH were not aware of
          those concerns. At the meeting, the MOH stated that the concerns
          could not be addressed at their level overnight. Therefore, it is the
          committee‟s recommendation that departments faced with such
          concerns should speak with their local CACC managers, to assist
          with resolving these issues.

   11.        SCBA Administrator’s Course

          Development of the administrator course is near completion. A pilot
          of this course will be conducted for the Section 21 Committee
          members and their invited guests at the June meeting.

                      Action: Wayne Sutherland & Chris Powers

   12.        Supervisor Issue

          At a recent health and safety seminar, concerns were raised as to
          whether a department‟s captain was the supervisor, as defined
          under the OHSA. Karen Hanna read the definition of supervisor
          from the Occupational Health and Safety Act. Under the Act,
          “supervisor” is defined as “a person who has charge of a workplace
          or authority over a worker”. She stressed that the use of “or” rather
          than “and” is important to note. A supervisor is either a person who

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            has charge of a workplace or authority over a worker. The person
            does not have to be both in order to be a supervisor as defined
            under the Act.

            It is this committee‟s view that a Fire Captain is considered, and
            meets the definition of, a supervisor as defined under the Act.

   13.       Bill - 31 (Designated Officer)
            The committee was provided an update about concerns raised by
            the Toronto Fire Service who felt that the position of the designated
            officer was at risk under provisions of this bill.

            Bill 105 - HIV Cocktail
            Concerns were raised as to whether the HIV cocktail was made
            available to departments by the Ministry of Health. It was felt that
            provisions of Bill 105 do not meet the needs of the firefighter at the
            scene. The committee encourages that local departments contact
            their MOH official to coordinate a plan of action in the event of
            workers‟ exposure to HIV at a call.

   14.       Other Business:

             a) New SCBA Transfil Systems - “Buddy Breathing”

                 Matt Pegg informed the committee of concerns raised about
                 the transfil systems recently introduced on the market and used
                 by some departments. These systems are typically used under
                 a RIT team/emergency rescue conditions. The concerns raised
                 were in the area of disclaimers by the manufacturers and the
                 potential liabilities faced by the departments. These
                 manufacturers‟ disclaimers could place those departments
                 using these systems in a precarious position for due diligence
                 failures. Some concerns raised were:
                       a requirement for inspection of the SCBA before
                       appropriate fill rates, when bottles are equalizing
                       discrepancies between CSA Z94 and NFPA

                 The committee will investigate this matter further.

                              Action: Matt Pegg

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             b) Request for Clarification - SCOTT

                Representatives of SCOTT asked for a request for clarification
                regarding GN 4-9. The issue is regarding „between-department‟
                sales of SCBA equipment, and the recommendation to
                departments to ensure that the published SCBA standards are
                met. The committee wishes to clarify that used SCBA‟s sold
                should meet the standard „at the time of manufacture‟.

             c) Firefighter Fatalities (U.S.A)

                The committee reviewed an Annual Report on U.S. firefighter
                fatalities compiled by the U.S. Fire Administration, part of FEMA.
                This information can be obtained at the NFPA and NIOSH
                websites. In 2003, there were 110 firefighter fatalities reported,
                compared to 100 in 2002. These include 29 deaths fighting
                wildland fires, vehicle accidents, training incidents, etc.

            d) Firefighting and Cancer

                The committee discussed the issue of firefighting and its
                associated link to cancer. It was agreed, that more information is
                required in this area, to see what direction the committee should
                take on precautionary strategies. It was suggested that
                representatives from the OPFFA /WSIB committee may be able
                to provide useful information.

                              Action: Richard McCurdy

           e)   Section 21 Committee - Contact List

                The Ministry of Labour has provided this committee with contact
                information on Section 21 Committees for other sectors (i.e.

Next meeting: June 17 & 18 in Kingston

Note: members with tasks – please bring 15 copies of your material with you
to the next meeting.


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