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Phaedo





Discussion of death, immortality just before

Socrates’ execution





Nature of the soul, more on recollection,

knowledge

A puzzle: if death is not a bad thing (as argued

in Apology, Crito), why is suicide wrong?





Socrates’ half-hearted reply: life is service to the

gods; so one should be grateful that the service

is over but to end it early would be like

escaping.



Body is a prison



Cebes: This argument fails. Wise people would

want to be governed by a master wiser than

themselves and should resent ending this

service.

“We are told” that the masters of the afterlife are

even better, also good people are there





Simmias: what is the evidence?



Socrates abandons the religious line of inquiry,

adopts a secular one

Philosophy, properly done, is practice and

anticipation for death







Death is separation of soul from body



True philosopher – lover of wisdom – would

view this as freeing, for the body distracts one

from the search for truth





Body is still a prison, but now emphasis no

longer on jailer





Death is separation from body; separation from

body is the only way to achieve knowledge;

knowledge is what the philosopher seeks; so the

philosopher should welcome death.

Pleasures of the body: food, drink, sex, wealth,

power, etc.



Pleasures of the soul: wisdom, knowledge



The true philosopher seeks the latter, not the

former



Moreover, the latter pleasures are superior to the

former.



(hence the term ‘Platonic’)

Notice that later Christians adopt, adapt this,

claim that body is bad, pleasure of the soul is

love of God (not wisdom)





Body, senses are no help when it comes to

knowledge. Can’t see the Good with your eyes,

hear with your ears.



Again, knowledge is of necessary truths. Unlike

true belief, knowledge must “stay put”.



Body is an impediment. Always distracting one

with its own desires, pains, etc.

Plato’s radical nativism:



All concepts are innate; we couldn’t have

meaningful experience without first having the

relevant concepts



Poverty of the stimulus argument:

I have the concept of Equality itself – perfect

equality

Nothing in this world is perfectly equal to

anything else

So the concept must not be derived from

experience but is innate



So on with perfect Beauty, perfect Goodness,

perfect Horseness, etc.

Impossibility argument:



Acquiring a concept would involve dividing the

world up into categories: e.g., here are a bunch

of things that are all similar; I’ll call them

‘dogs’.



Problem: you couldn’t see the similarities

among the members of a category unless you

knew what they all had in common, e.g.,

doghood



But then you couldn’t see the similarities in the

group unless you already had the concept dog.





Similarly for beauty, knife, doorknob, etc.



Experience triggers already existing concepts,

cannot create new concepts

The Myth of the Cave



Consider a group of people raised in a cave,

bound so that they can only see shadows on the

wall, cast by puppets, but they never see the

puppets themselves.



They would think that the shadows are the real

things, even though the shadows are fleeting and

impermanent.



They might even be able to formulate

generalizations and predictions about the

shadows.



But they would have merely true opinion, not

knowledge.

It would be painful, difficult, and disorienting to

free oneself, eyes hurt first by the light of the

fire, then more by the light of the sun.





On returning to the cave, would be virtually

blind, would look to inhabitants like one who

knows less rather than more.

Significance of the myth



Material world is like cave; we are like prisoners



We mistake images of things for the things

themselves.





A wise man (e.g., Socrates) in our midst would

look foolish; if he attempted to liberate us we

would resist.



A soul with knowledge born into this material

world would be disoriented, temporarily blinded.

(Recollection)





Beyond the material world of images, shadows

is the REAL world

The Forms:



Immaterial, eternal, unchanging

Don’t have any spatio-temporal properties



Red things are red because they participate in,

share in, the Form of redness



Objects in the world are just pale reflections of

the Forms: since the latter are eternal and

unchanging, they constitute the ultimate reality





Knowledge is knowledge of the Forms; this is

achieved while soul is disembodied, prior to

birth and after death

The one over the many again



Now a metaphysical doctrine





Any time two objects are similar, it is because

they share some property, that is, they both share

in the same Form



Similarity is partial identity, and qualitative

identity has to be understood in terms of

numerical identity



To be a horse is to have the property of

horseness, that is, to share in the Form of

horseness, and there is only one of these

Arguments for immortality



Recollection

Simplicity

Death/life

Essentially living

Argument from Recollection



1. Apparent learning during life is really just

recollection of things learned during the pre-

existence of the soul

2. If the soul exists prior to the body, then the

soul is a substance (in Descartes’ sense): i.e., a

thing that can exist by itself

3. Therefore, it can exist without the body

4. Therefore, it is possible that the soul exists

after the death of the body





(Response to Simmias’ objection that the soul

may be to the body like the music is to the lute)

Cebes’ objection: even if we know the soul can

exist without the body, if we are to look forward

to an afterlife, we’d need to know that the soul

will survive the death of this body.



Argument from recollection does not establish

immortality per se







“Plato says in the Phaedo that our ‘imaginary

ideas’ arise from the preexistence of the soul,

and are not derivable from experience---read

monkeys for preexistence.”



— Charles Darwin





Other arguments intended to show that soul

cannot die/cease to exist

Argument from simplicity:



1. Soul is simple, i.e., not composed of parts

2.Therefore, it is indivisible

3. To destroy something (by natural means) is to

break it apart, to decompose it

4. Since the soul is simple, it cannot be

destroyed by natural means





Why think the soul is simple?



No one has more or less of a soul than anyone

else.

It is impossible to have half or 2/3 of a soul



Is that really true? Might it depend on what is

meant by ‘soul’?

If ‘soul’ means ‘mind’, then perhaps it is

possible to have part of one



Plato’s tripartite soul of the Republic: desiring

part, honor-loving part, reasoning part

Argument from life and death



1. Everything comes from its opposite: large

from small, wet from dry, etc.

2. So life comes from death, and death from life.

3. If the dead stayed dead, eventually everything

would be dead.

4. So there must be eternal cycle of death and

rebirth

5. So the soul endure throughout this cycle, i.e.,

it must be eternal





What is wrong with this argument, and how can

we make it better?

Argument from essentially living nature of the

soul



1. Bodies aren’t essentially living – some of

them are dead

2. There must be something that is essentially

living, which, when added to the body, makes it

alive

3. We call this the soul

4. Therefore, the soul is essentially living

5. Therefore, the soul cannot die





What’s wrong with this argument?





Can we use it to prove that cars have souls?

The afterlife according to Plato







the deceased exists among the Forms



Is disembodied, so cannot experience bodily

pleasures.



Is just a soul, so can experience pleasures of the

soul, viz., knowledge



i.e., knowledge of the Forms



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