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RMC Meeting Minutes (Public)
(Wednesday / Thursday 1/21-22/2004)
Attendees:
Registrar Management Committee Meeting Roster
Tuesday, January 20, 2004
Name Company
**Mike Roberts (RMC Chair) Boeing
Ed Bayne Boeing
**Jay Park Northrop Grumman
Carl Blazik IAAR CRS Registrars
Hollie Last Standards Council of Canada
**Colin Clarke Bombardier Aerospace
**Rick Downs Cessna
George Dramowicz Honeywell
Devin Samuelson Honeywell
**Mike Gallagher Lockheed Martin
**Paul Trotochaud UTC-P&W
Miguel Rocha INMETRO – Brazil
Atila Buchele Embraer
Rich Vinton Raytheon
Tim Lee Boeing
Craig Dorman Boeing
Julio Perez Airbus
Mike Song Boeing
Randy Dougherty ANSI-RAB
Reg Blake IAAR / BSI America
** Voting Members
Attendance Statistics
Attendance: Total 20
OEMs 15
CRBs 2
ABs 3
SAE 0
Represented: OEMs 10
CRBs 2
ABs 3
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Meeting Agenda
Meeting Minutes
1.) Welcome, Introductions, Groundrules
2.) Organizational Summary Mike Roberts
Mike led an overview session of the IAQG, AAQG, and the
RMC which included an understanding of the new AAQG legal
entity status.
3.) Paris Representation Mike Roberts
Mike informed RMC that Dale Gordon will not be attending
and requested additional OEM participation
4.) Resolutions Log Mike Roberts
Mike discussed status of Resolutions Log. Only open /
outstanding resolutions that have not been incorporated into
writings are:
#8
Problem: During the development of SAE AIR5493, the final
requirement included a requirement for the trainer to have 4
of 10 years of aerospace industry experience. Some trainers
approved prior to publication of SAE AIR5493 did not meet
the requirement
Resolution: This requirement may not be necessary for the
general training specified in SAE AIR5359 6.2 a., but is
required for the in-depth aerospace industry competency
training required in SAE AIR5359 7.2.3.1. Trainers without 4
of most recent 10 years aerospace industry experience may
be approved by the AAQG-RMC as submitted through the
accreditation body
#9
Problem: When a registrar is approved by the RMC as
recommended for approval by one RMC approved
accreditation body (AB), does the RMC need to re-review this
registrar for approval by another RMC approved AB?
Resolution: No. The RMC need not re-review a registrar that
has been approved. The RMC approved ABs are expected to
cooperate for mutual registrar clients
#10 - Open
Problem: AIR5493 is not a requirement of AS9100, so under
what conditions are the requirements of AIR5493,
specifically items 4.4.3 and 4.4.1 imposed on a company and
expected to be confirmed by a registrar??
Resolution: No. If an OEM is going to allow the results of
their audits to be used by other OEMs or Suppliers in
accordance with section 10 of AIR5359, then the
requirements of AIR5359 (Sections 7 and 8) and AIR5493
(including specifically 4.4.3 and 4.4.1) apply and these
requirements shall be incorporated into the OEMs operating
procedures and apply to any auditor doing the shared audits.
Under these conditions, these requirements will be a part of
the 9100 systems approval.
#11 - Raised to IAQG for final resolution
AAQG member companies (OEMs) can opt to leave the
number of non conformances and score blank for their
facilities only in the IAQG data base and still receive full
registration by the system CRBs. This exemption is not
applicable to the OEMs suppliers.
1. Resolution log to be communicated to RMC/ABs/CRBs on
a regular basis.
2. Resolutions Log exit strategy needed
5.) Action Items From Previous Meetings Mike Roberts
a. Select 3rd member of IAQG-OT – Colin Clarke selected.
b. Review Resolutions log – Lori and Mike – done
c. RAB and SCC to discuss recognition of NQI lead auditor
d. Notify about 1 July 2003 requirement for OASIS data entry
e. MCR to update org chart, names and sub-teams
f. RMC102 revision due to new AIR5359B – Tim and Lori
g. Consider RMC102 as an AIR document – Dale
h. Mike and Jay to investigate OASIS bulletin board
i. Lori to review 20% rejection of AEAs
j. Colin to review if RMC approval of AAs can be eliminated
k. Mike to discuss multi-site listings in OASIS with IAQG-OT
3. RMC develop proposal and submit to AAQG in March DC
meeting
4. Rick Downs to get inputs from attendees and define our
intent on what a site is, multi site is, sampling position
etc.
6.) AS9104 Status Mike Roberts
Approved in Americas, being presented at IAQG Paris
Meeting
7.) Future of AIR5359C Mike Roberts
8.) AIR5359B and AIR5493A Issues and Discussion Mike Roberts
9.) AS9100B and AS9101A Issues and Discussion Mike Roberts
5. Mike to request SAE to notify fraternity and obtain
resolution to printing error where on page 10 Assessment
Scoring Sheet it says to divide by 100, should be divide by
10
10.) OASIS Issues Mike Roberts
6. Mike to query Dale Gordon for information package on
what the vote means and all AAQG members are ready to
discuss during DC March meeting
11.) Documentation Team Report and Discussion George Dramowicz
Team re-directed to focus on RMC writings with a forward
look to the IAQG OT
12.) AS9110, AS9120, AS9003, AS9006, etc Mike Roberts
No checklist for 9110 - this is what is holding back the go
forward on industry use of 9110
9121 (9120 checklist) is released
1. 9120 and 9003 - if already an AEA & AA and meet
appendix (A.4.c for 9120 & A.5.e for 9003) in AIR5359 is
sufficient and do not need reviewed by RMC
2. 9110 & 9006 auditors require additional certification and
do need reviewed by RMC
7. A.6.c and A.6.e of AIR5359 are in conflict - Mike to contact
Dale Gordon and understand
13.) Training and Trainers Mike Roberts
3. Minimum time requirement for competency course is 24
hours as a guide for in-depth and 16 hours for the non in-
depth course
8. Colin Clarke, Hollie Last, Carl Blazik, and Shanya
Salamaca, as a sub-team, to re-write AIR5493 and provide
back to RMC for review.
9. ABs to provide a “heads up” to the CRB that 24 hours is
recommended for competency course and 16 hours for the
non in-depth course
14.) Surveillance Sub-Team Issues, Including RMC 102 Tim Lee
10. Reconvene the Doc 102 writing team and provide RMC
with proposed changes 2 weeks prior to March meeting
15.) Populate Surveillance Matrix for Office and Witness Audits
11. Perform 2005 OEM scheduling of CRB during the
September RMC meeting to ensure that early year visits
can be covered
16.) SCC Report Holly Last
17.) RAB Report Lori Scheid
18.) INMETRO Report Miguel Rocha
19.) Sub-Team : Auditor Review Team Colin Clarke
20.) Sub-Team: Surveillance Team Tim Lee
Oversight Schedule (review & update)
OEM Support / Replacements
Contacts and Auditor Information
21.) General Issues Discussion - Open Floor All
Floor was open, but few comments were made. No actions
taken.
22.) Action Item Review Mike Roberts
Ed Bayne read the actions (see Red above) and decisions
(see Violet above) that he captured. Membership was asked
if there were any other actions. No additional topics or
actions were discussed.
23.) Adjourn at 5:45pm.
Decisions
1. 9120 and 9003 - if already an AEA & AA and meet appendix
(A.4.c for 9120 & A.5.e for 9003) in AIR5359 is sufficient
2. 9010 & 9006 auditors require additional certification
3. Minimum time requirement for competency course is 24 hours
as a guide for in-depth and 16 hours for the non in-depth
course
4.
Action Items
1. Resolution log to be communicated to RMC on a regular basis.
2. Resolutions Log exit strategy needed
3. RMC develop proposal and submit to AAQG in March DC
meeting
4. Rick Downs to get inputs from attendees and define our intent
on what a site is, multi site is, sampling position etc.
5. Mike to request SAE to notify fraternity and obtain resolution to
printing error where on page 10 Assessment Scoring Sheet it
says to divide by 100, should be divide by 10
6. Mike to query Dale Gordon for information package on what the
vote means and all AAQG members are ready to discuss during
DC March meeting
7. A.6.c and A.6.e of AIR5359 are in conflict - Mike to contact Dale
Gordon and understand
8. Colin Clark, Hollie Last, Carl Blazik, and Shanya Salamaca, as a
sub-team, to re-write AIR5493 and provide back to RMC for
review.
9. Randy Dougherty to provide a “heads up” to the CRB that 24
hours is recommended for competency course and 16 hours for
the non in-depth course