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					                                      GOSH MEETING SYNOPSIS
                                WEDNESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2005 HELD AT
                                   THE BEACH BALLROOM, ABERDEEN                                               PO Box 12016
                                                                                                        Aberdeen AB16 5WL
                                                                                                      www.goshgroup.org.uk


PRESENT

Gavin Lord             Aberdeenshire Council                  Liz Standen             H.S.E.
Elizabeth Herlihy      Aberdeen City Council                  David Hood              Evolve Training
Andy Howey             Leiths                                 Alastair McRobb         Norwich Union
Kevin Main             Safety Scotland Ltd                    George Wood             John Lawrie Group
Ron Murray             Safety Scotland Ltd                    John Morrison           Morrisons
John Love              Aberdeen City Council                  Michael Moir            Radio Michael Ltd
Brian Fraser           AOHS Ltd                               Isobel Smith            Turriff Contractors Ltd
Tom Davidson           James Jones & Sons Ltd                 Iain Urquhart           AMEC
Ryan Milne             Stewart Milne Group                    Norman Paterson         DTL Weatherford UK
Doug McKenzie          Weatherford CPS GB                     Nicola Strachan         Grampian Police
Graham Fowlie          Watts & Partners                       Rob Murray              SAFE
Alison Olsen           Arjo Wiggins                           Angela Sneddon          Langstane Press
Sandy May              CHAP Construction                      Lorna Barclay           Aberdeenshire Council
Jackie Spence          Aberdeenshire Council                  Elaine Alexander        Aberdeenshire Council
David Robb             Aberdeenshire Council                  Pam Bruce               Aberdeenshire Council
John Adams             Aberdeenshire Council                  Janet Easthope          Dril-Quip
Murdo MacLean          Egis                                   Nicola Ballantyne       Egis
Peter McFadzean        Enterprise Eng Sv’s                    Sandy Shaw              Retired
Myra Darroch           Aberdeen City Council                  Jean Hunter             Aberdeen City Council
Ronnie Wilson          Aberdeenshire Council                  Graham Gibson           Grampian Test & Cert
Bill Cheyne            Grampian Test & Cert                   Dave McGinigal          Grampian Test & Cert
Hugh Duffy             John Clark Motor Group                 Colin Sellar            Fisheries Research Services
Angus Clark            RGU                                    Calum Clark             RGU
George Corbett         Belmar Engineering Ltd                 Brian Ross              Belmar Engineering Ltd
Steve Williams         ASM                                    Peter Murray            NHSG
Stanley Hall           NHS Grampian                           John Hill               NHSG
Arleen Davidson        Harbro                                 Nigel Corby             University of Aberdeen
Ronnie Brown           Taylors Industrial Svcs                Robert Stephen          Spencer Coatings Ltd
Mary Ann MacKenzie     Spencer Coatings Ltd                   Agnes Robertson         H.S.E.
Eddie Fowler           Premier Oilfield                       Claire Snodgrass        Premier Oilfield Rentals
Edward Marshall        H.S.E.

Gavin Lord welcomed every one to the meeting. He brought their attention to the HSE stand with information about
Ladders safety, COSHH, and the Backs 2005 Initiative. Information packs were available to be taken away.
Edward Marshall HM Principal Inspector of Health and Safety gave a short presentation on The Safe Use of Ladders.
A shortened version is available on the website – www.goshgroup.org.uk . The summary of his talk will be given at the
end of this synopsis.
Speaker: Liz Standen, HSE

Subject: Changes to COSHH 2002

The complete PowerPoint Presentation of ‘The Changes to COSHH 2002’, and an example of how to work through and
apply the Principles of good control practice (Isocyanate exposure and control in Motor Vehicle Repair (MVR)
bodyshops) are also available on the website.
Topics covered:
    Key changes to regulations
    Transfer from OELs to WELs
    Achieving effective control
    Maintaining control measures




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                                      GOSH MEETING SYNOPSIS
                                WEDNESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2005 HELD AT
                                   THE BEACH BALLROOM, ABERDEEN                                                 PO Box 12016
                                                                                                          Aberdeen AB16 5WL
                                                                                                        www.goshgroup.org.uk


Key changes from amendment Regs 2004:
    Prohibition of Soluble Chromium VI >0.0002%
    MSA to deal with on ships (except Navy)
    Reg 7 - Adequate control (ACoP paras 89–157)
    Reg 9 - Maintaining Control (ACoP paras 160– 188)
    New Schedule 2A – Principles of good control practice (ACoP paras 295 – 357

Reasons for OEL Review
    Lack of awareness / understanding
    Criteria for limits not comprehensive
    Difficult to implement European limits
    Perception that OES are safe limits
    Small firms need practical help

WELs compared to OESs and MELs
There is now a single type of OEL – called Workplace Exposure Limit. WELs linked to good practice advice (e.g.
COSHH essentials)

Transfer of OESs and MELs
All MELs transferred to new system as WELs – some flagged for review.
OESs transferred into new system as WELs unless evidence of concern.
102 OESs deleted. Control advice provided by 1. Generic COSHH Essentials. 2. Substance specific COSHH Essentials.
3. CHAN.

Achieving effective control Reg 7(7)
Without prejudice … control … shall only be treated as adequate if:
       a. the principles of good practice for control of exposure are being applied
       b. any workplace exposure limit is not exceeded and
       c. exposure is reduced ALARP for substances which cause cancer or asthma

Adequate control means addressing all routes of exposure

Principles of Good Control Practice
     Design and operate processes to minimise emission, release and spread of contaminants
     Take into account all relevant routes of exposure - inhalation, skin absorption and ingestion - when developing
       control measures
     Control exposure by measures proportionate to the health risk
     Choose most effective and reliable control options which minimise escape and spread of contaminant from
       sources
     Where adequate control is not reasonably practicable by other means, provide suitable PPE in combination with
       other measures.
     Check and review regularly, all elements of control measures for continuing effectiveness.
     Inform & train all employees on hazards and risks from substances and use of control measures.
     Ensure introduction of control measures does not increase overall risk

COSHH essentials
Control guidance:
Access
Design and equipment
Maintenance
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                                        GOSH MEETING SYNOPSIS
                                  WEDNESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2005 HELD AT
                                     THE BEACH BALLROOM, ABERDEEN                                PO Box 12016
                                                                                           Aberdeen AB16 5WL
                                                                                         www.goshgroup.org.uk


Control guidance (continued):
Examination and testing
Cleaning
PPE (plus ‘S’ sheet)
Training
Supervision
Employee checklist

Generic COSHH essentials
            Includes:
         Liquid / solid chemicals
         Mixtures
         Inhalation exposure                        ‘
         Common processes
          But not:
         Process fume / dust
         Lead, asbestos, gases
         Chemical safety
         Releases to environment

e-COSHH essentials – Phase 2 (launched 8 Oct 2003)
Asthmagens
        Isocyanates
        Flour
        Wood
Process generated
        Foundry
        Rubber
        Wood
Service & Retail
Health Surveillance


COSHH essentials – Phase 3
Asthmagens – agriculture

Process    generated – welding
Silica

Printers


COSHH essentials – is it used?

• > 580,000 visits
•> 500 visits every day
• > 160,000 visitors
• > 200,000 risk assessments

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                                      GOSH MEETING SYNOPSIS
                                WEDNESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2005 HELD AT
                                   THE BEACH BALLROOM, ABERDEEN                                                   PO Box 12016
                                                                                                            Aberdeen AB16 5WL
                                                                                                          www.goshgroup.org.uk



Enforcement priorities:
       Skin disease; respiratory disease; cancers
       Demonstrating ‘Adequate control’
       Training
       Competent advice
       Regular review of control measures

KEY MESSAGES
    a. Prevention still paramount
    b. Concentrate on improving control of exposure using the systematic application of the Principles rather than on
       compliance with a limit
    c. Emphasise the review and maintenance of controls
                                                         ‘
    d. Promote the use of e-COSHH, especially, for SMEs

Questions and Answers

       Why is there not a WEL for welding fumes?
       The tried and tested control measures work. The principle of good practice is used for welding fumes.

       Are water based paints safer than old paints?
       There are still hazards in water based paints.

       Is sensitisation to chemicals at home taken into account, as most things come in spray bottles?
       There is an aspect of global health problems. Symptoms are taken into account to decide if the problem is work
        related.

       What is the inspection frequency for LEVs?
       Fourteen months

       Are both hard and soft wood dusts considered asthmogens?
       Yes, it varies from species to species. Further information can be found in the woodworking information on the
        HSE website.


Gavin thanked the speaker and gave her a gift.

Presentation on ladders:

In nearly a third of all Falls from Height major injuries, the thing the person was working on prior to the accident was a
ladder or stepladder. All other categories of building access equipment were below 10%. If HSE want to make an impact
on the Falls from Height accident figures then the biggest potential for gains is addressing ladders issues.
The points made in this talk did not apply to:
Fixed ladders
Other types of fixed access – step irons
Specialist rescue ladders
Roof ladders
Step stools, including kick stools
Warehouse steps/mobile stairs



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                                      GOSH MEETING SYNOPSIS
                                WEDNESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2005 HELD AT
                                   THE BEACH BALLROOM, ABERDEEN                                                    PO Box 12016
                                                                                                             Aberdeen AB16 5WL
                                                                                                           www.goshgroup.org.uk


Key Issues:
Not banning ladders
Ensure the most suitable access equipment is selected and used safely

Competence
Anyone at work who uses or specifies the use of ladders needs adequate information and training so that they understand
there limitations and safe use

Ladder users and assessors do not understand the limitations of ladders; this means that poor practices have become
embedded and commonplace in some industries, to the extent that it is the custom and practice way of doing the job. This
is a real problem with peripatetic workers (glazing installers, security equipment installers, etc.). We need to ensure that
people arrive at site with the right access equipment and not just the most convenient/default piece of kit.

Scaffold towers
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Tower scaffolds can provide a very useful and safe access platform. The regulations say that platforms should be
considered as a safer alternative where they are justified.

A tower scaffold should have a top rail, a platform, safe access onto the platform, and should be positioned entirely on
firm level ground.

Slides showing unsafe examples were shown including:
     An old steel frame tower that was probably 30 to 40 years old and was not capable of being put together to meet
        modern requirements. It should now be taken out of use.
     An electrician’s wooden stepladder. They are not banned but care needs to be used. The maximum height for the
        feet on the stepladder is the fifth tread up from the bottom. Wooden ladders and stepladders need to be looked
        after carefully to avoid damage and cracking. The problem with this type of stepladder is the temptation to stand
        on the top.
     Visibly defective equipment. The ladder had missing rungs, with baling twine as replacement rungs.
     A ladder being used in an unsafe location – on the roof of a van.
     A ladder being used for an unsafe activity – person carrying a 30 kg load.
     A ladder resting aluminium to brickwork.

A slide showed examples of new types of access equipment - Crossovers:
     A single post access platform- hand powered
     A scissor lift – hand powered
     A multiple height platform which looks like a stairway
     A platform, which looks like a stepladder but has outriggers for stability and guard rails around a platform

Other products are still in development

Ladders appropriate for work use:
Class 1 (Industrial)
The classes come from the British Standards for ladders BS 2037 (aluminium) and BS 1129 (wooden). Industrial have
blue labels.
BS EN 131 (EN131)
BS EN 131: 1993 is a European standard and covers wooden, plastic and metal ladders. No colour requirement for labels,
though class 2 which it replaced was yellow. No CE mark as EN131 is not a harmonised standard, no directive which
allows this to happen currently.

Class 3 (Domestic) should NOT be used.
Domestic ladders have a red label and the mandatory pictograms have to be within a red border. This colour coding is a
requirement of the British Standard.

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                                     GOSH MEETING SYNOPSIS
                               WEDNESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2005 HELD AT
                                  THE BEACH BALLROOM, ABERDEEN                                                  PO Box 12016
                                                                                                          Aberdeen AB16 5WL
                                                                                                        www.goshgroup.org.uk


Ladder and stepladder ratings
The two commonly used terms are Duty rating, which comes from the British Standards and is not defined. The other is
maximum permissible load from EN131, which is also not defined. Therefore HSE in consultation with the British
Ladder Manufacturers Association (BLMA) has had to establish a meaning. The highest figure quoted on a ladder is the
maximum weight (person and materials) it can carry in the working position.

Pre-use checks
Visual and functional checks for obvious defects
By the user
Each working day & after something has changed
No requirement to record
Part of users training
The daily checks should be picking up the immediate/serious defects.

Slides were shown with examples of significant defects in ladders and stepladders:
Missing ladder feet.
Dent in stiles – beyond repair
Dented and twisted rungs – beyond repair
Twisted stile – beyond repair
Bent ladder –beyond repair.
Steps with a missing foot, will lead to wobbles and reduced slip resistance.
Damaged restraint connection.
Split top platform.
Bent rear right hand stile – beyond repair
Steps covered in chemicals, hinge screws pulling out.

Ladders week is part of a three year rolling programme of activities. We are raising awareness through inspection, events
and media attention.
Issues are:
Risk assessment – Have you established that ladders are the most suitable equipment for the jobs that you use them for or
may use them for?
Establishing the performance of your equipment - If you are going to use leaning ladders untied (free standing) you
need to establish from the manufacturer how and where they are supposed to be used. You need the manufacturer’s
information on how to use any ladder or stepladder safely
Maintenance – there are a lot of defective ladders in workplaces. Do you know how many ladders you have? Do you
know if they are all in good condition?

What should you do if you use ladders?
1. Read the guidance
2. Ask yourself:
     Have I assessed my ladder work? Are ladders the right equipment? Do I have the manufacturers information?
     Do I have safe ladders? Are pre-use checks being done? Do I have an inspection system?
     Do I have competent people? To do the assessments? To use ladders?
If you have addressed all these issues
3. Do you ensure your contractors have done the same? (Control of contractors guidance – INDG368)
     You should be asking for a method statement and risk assessment. The method statement should state what
        equipment they are going to use and how they are going to the job.

New Guidance:
Safe Use of ladders and stepladders - INDG 402
A toolbox talk on leaning ladder and stepladder safety - INDG 403
Top tips for ladder and stepladder safety - INDG 405


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                                  GOSH MEETING SYNOPSIS
                            WEDNESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2005 HELD AT
                               THE BEACH BALLROOM, ABERDEEN                              PO Box 12016
                                                                                   Aberdeen AB16 5WL
                                                                                 www.goshgroup.org.uk


Next meeting: 14th December 2005
Speaker: Douglas Conner, HSE
Subject: Workplace Transport




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