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Counting and not counting for the community

college





Pieces of the background tapestry for

judging “graduation rates”



Cliff Adelman, Institute for Higher Education Policy

Who is/is not counted, I: proportion entering

in the fall term



Fall Wint./Spring Summer

4-year 92% 4% 4%



Community 75 18 7

college

Other sub- 60 23 17

bacc

Who is/is not counted, II: the part-time factor



Percent part-time at some

point in 1st year

4-year 37%



Community college 67



Other sub-bacc 43

Relationship of season of entrance to part-

time experience in 1st calendar year



Fall Term Other terms



4-year 35% 55%



Community 66 72

college

Other sub-bacc 39 49

What happens to traditional-age community

college beginners if everyone is counted?



Transferred + bachelor’s degree 17%

Transfer w/AA, still working on 2

bachelor’s

Transferred, no AA, still working on bach 3

Transferred, but no longer in school 6

No transfer, but terminal associate’s 10

No transfer, but terminal certificate 5

No transfer, no credential, but >10 credits 36

No transfer, no credential, 1 course 29%

Transfer rate for those with >10 creds 36%

Proportion of status drop-outs who had been

placed on academic probation or dismissed

for academic reasons at any time 24%

Primary reason for non-completion given by

community college status drop-outs



Personal / family 35%

Job / military 19

Mood / lifestyle 19

Financial 18

Academic 6

Other 2

What do we conclude from all this?



The current GRS covers about 1/3rd of traditional-

age community college beginners

The 150% TTD marker bears no resemblance to

empirical behavior

Older beginning students track radically different

records than traditional-age students.

No matter what they say, we have a significant

portion of community college students with serious

academic problems and loose commitments to

education

Telling an honest story without Unit

Records: changing the GRS formula

Define an academic calendar year, and establish 3 tracking

cohorts within that year

The first 2 tracking cohorts divide BPS students by age—

keeping it simple---and require a minimum of 6 credits (of

any kind) in 1st term of attendance, thus excluding incidental

students and de facto visitors and tourists

The 3rd cohort consists of transfers-in.

Completion rates for the 3 cohorts reported separately

A 4th bin for “good faith effort” accounts for all who did not

complete with the reporting institution

Censoring dates for cohort reporting



2 years 4 years 6 years 8 years



Bachelor’s Optional X X

granting

Associate’s X X

granting

LT Associate’s X X



Transfer-in X X

cohort

Community college reporting bins



For each of two age groups (bins 1 and 2):

transferred to a 4-year institution

no transfer, but Associate’s degree

no transfer, but Certificate

For transfers in (bin 3)

Ave. transfer credits accepted

Associate’s degree

Certificate

“Good Faith Hunting” for residuals in each of the two age groups

(bins 1 and 2):

Left, not located

Left, transferred to another 2-year

What do we get?

Part-timers, but not incidentals

Transfers-in

Your brother-in-law distinguished from your

daughter

Realistic two-stop temporal frames

Single reporting date for both tracking cohorts and

completions / locatings

90 percent of the universe, compared with 50 percent

now. But don’t expect completion rates to increase.



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