sci.archaeology: Re: 'Return Stonehenge' says archdruid
Re: 'Return Stonehenge' says archdruid
Source: http://sci.tech−archive.net/Archive/sci.archaeology/2004−06/2237.html
From: JMB (jmb_at_utvinternet.ie)
Date: 06/24/04
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:54:58 +0100
"Diarmid Logan" wrote in message
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> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3830547.stm
>>>>>
> > > > > 'Return Stonehenge' says archdruid
>>>>>
> > > > > The archdruid of Wales has called for England's most famous
landmark
> > > > > to be returned to Wales.
>>>>>
>>>>
> > > > One would think that the stones are placed where the builders of
> > > > Stonehenge desired them to be (or at least where modern research
thinks
> > > > they were originally placed during the various phases of its
> > > > construction) before there was a Wales or an England and certainly
> > > > before there was an "archdruid of Wales."
>>>
> > > Yes, the stones were placed there before the Anglo−Saxon invaders
> > > stole the land from the native Britons (i.e. the ancestors of the
> > > Welsh). What the archdruid should demand is that the Anglo−Saxons
> > > return to Denmark and northern Germany and apologise to the Welsh as
> > > they leave.
>>
> > And let's not forget the descendants of the Irish occupiers who still
live
> > in Wales, they should return to Ireland and apologise to the Welsh as
they
> > leave.
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sci.archaeology: Re: 'Return Stonehenge' says archdruid
>
> Who are you talking about?
Basic history. Several parts of Wales were colonised by the Irish after the
Roman withdrawal.
>
>
> > And the Scots should come home and apologise to the Picts as they
> > leave.
>
> Please check out this link:
>
>
http://web.archive.org/web/20010723223003/http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/11−6−19101−0−51−36.html
>
> Early spin doctors rewrote our history
>
> DAVID STEELE
>
> THE belief that the Scots are descendants of Irish settlers who
> crossed from Antrim in the sixth century is being dismissed as a myth
> by an eminent archaeologist.
>
> In a detailed research paper published by Glasgow University
> yesterday, Ewan Campbell argues the claimed migrations of the Irish
> into Argyll can be attributed to "a set of elite origin myths, finding
> no support in archaeological evidence".
>
> For many years Dr Campbell has been concerned that the received truth
> that Scots kings were descended from Irish invaders was not the truth
> at all.
>
> He has concluded any migration between the west coast of Scotland and
> north east Ireland was in the opposite direction to that previously
> thought.
>
> The doubts were planted in his mind when he took part in a excavation
> at the royal fort at Dunadd in Argyll in the 1970s. The dig uncovered
> strong evidence that this was the inauguration site of the early
> Scottish kings but gave little indication of any Irish influence.
>
> At this time, the kingdom of the Scots − Dalriada, consisting of
> Argyll and some of the west coast islands − was a centre of
> civilisation and trade.
>
> Dr Campbell said: "Looking at the site made us wonder, how did it
> start? It made us look at the original legends. If they were true you
> would expect to see Irish types of settlements and artefacts. When we
> looked for evidence of the Irish origin, there was none.
>
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sci.archaeology: Re: 'Return Stonehenge' says archdruid
> Dr Campbell said of the accepted belief: "This apparently incorrect
> account was done by medieval spin doctors for political reasons − to
> further the claims to the Scottish throne of descendants of Kenneth
> MacAlpine. It was an early example of an Orwellian rewrite of
> history."
Dr Campbell is either being misrepresented by the reporter, or he is
ignoring any evidence that doesn't go his way. Either way, the evidence in
support of the Scots being from north−east Ireland far outweighs anything
that you have quoted above.
>
>
> > And the Viking descendants should also go home, and apologise to
> > someone as they leave.
>
> This is one point with which I agree with you.
>
>
> > Heck, we should all move back to Africa and
> > apologise to each other as we leave.
>
> Wrong. Only the invaders should have to leave.
Why? And if that is the case, then pretty much everyone will have to leave
Europe, as everyone currently in their position invaded someone, at least on
the mainland.
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