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From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:31:46 -0700
Subject: Pelican-List: Welcome To The New Pelican Email Forum...
This is a first message to the Pelican List. Welcome!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: Hello
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:57:39 -0400
There probably aren't many people signed up yet but I figured I'll
post my building status.
I have Pelican PL kit #640. I bought the wing and tail kit in
November 96, the fuselage and landing gear in December 98 and a Stratus
EA-81 Subaru engine in August 2000.
The airframe has been complete as of last December and I layed out an
engine mount for the Stratus. It doesn't quite fit in the cowling
unless I make my own exhaust but I chose to keep the stock exhaust and
make bumps on the bottom of the cowling. The engine mount is finally
done and I pick it up this weekend, so now I will fit the cowling, play
with some different cooling systems and finish the fuel and electrical
systems. I've been playing with all of this and have the parts and
basic layout and schematic so I hope it will go quickly. I ordered a
Prince prop a while ago and it should arrive soon. I already have a UHS
spinner that will fit the prop. I also may try an add-on exhaust
silencer similar to a "Swiss muffler" to keep the noise down around the
populated area here in R.I.
I bought temperfoam for the seats and had a local upholsterer cover
them with non-flammable material from Airtex. They cost a lot and I'm
disappointed. They are not as nice as the factory seats, I would have
bought them as an option or sent them out to be done. I saw a number of
aircraft upholstery companies at Sun'N'Fun that would have done a much
better job. I painted the interior gel-coated areas with gray TopGloss
and it came out ok. I will use RustOleum speckled-textured paint for
the rough glass areas in the baggage compartment and skylights. The
factory Sport model used this and it looks great. I've seen it on a
number of high-end composite interiors at the fly-ins and it seems like
a good way to go. I did a test area and found that it covers small
imperfections but not big ones (obviously). So I still did a little
filling and sanding in some areas. I used PolyFiber SuperFil and it's
easy to mix, apply and sand.
For kit options I have the STOL kit, acrylic windshield, wheel pants
and fairings kit, long range tanks, rudder trim and cabin heat. I also
put 6" wheels including the nosewheel, landing lights and strobes
(including an extra tail strobe), Navaid wing-leveler, electric flaps
and BRS chute.
I am planning on getting a RMI uEncoder for the top-left hole, the
Navaid in the bottom-left, then save space for electric gyro AH and DG,
then two smaller holes for a MicroAir com and transponder, and the big
center space for a 10-12" color LCD display for homebuilt engine
monitor. I also got a late model automobile heater/air control panel
for the heat, defrost and air. It's already got the nice knobs and
cables with little color symbols for heat, defrost, etc.
So, I'm just setting up for finish paint on the airframe and engine
mounting. I already primed the fuselage with PolyFiber SmoothPrime and
SilverShield (UV protector) and all metal parts with Marhide
Self-etching primer (except for inside steel pieces where I used linseed
oil or LPS 3). I have the fuselage on an engine stand jig so it can be
rotated for paint. This helped with filling and sanding the bottom too.
I borrowed a digital camera and took a bunch of pictures for a new
website but that's coming along slowly on the side. Sorry for the long
email but it's just an intro/status for the few Pelican builders that
may have signed up so far. Anybody out there? I only know one other
semi-local guy with a Pelican (he's about 5 hours away). He does not
have email but I will see how he's doing. He was doing test flights
with his turbo Subaru last fall and had some engine problems. I also
saw the ex-factory demo turbo PL on floats at Sun'N'Fun. It was sold to
a local guy in 98 and he has it for sale this year. Of course I also
saw Richard Henry's "Check Six" Pelican that was recently sold and
crashed at Sun'N'Fun in the tragic accident this year. I'd like to hear
about any other Pelican's flying and anyone that could provide tips on
what they might do different. There are a lot of Pelican's out there
but very few people communicating. That's it for now, I'm late enough
for work.
Gary K.
Pelican PL w/Stratus EA-81
painting and wiring
http://members.efortress.com/flyink/index.html
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From: "Doug Sheets"
Subject: Pelican-List: Pelicans
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:38:52
Hi listers!
I have a Pelican PL kit that is 20% done and 180% to go. Too many
projects
and not enough time. Fly or build? That is the question!
I live in NW Pennsylvania, and am planning on the Rotax 914. I've had
good
luck with my 2 stroke Rotax on my ultralight, so I'll stick with a known
commodity.
Glad to see other Pelican builders have a place to meet - I'm on the
Pietenpol list and it is a great resource for builders to get questions
answered quickly. Take lots of pictures and maybe someday we'll have a
web
site to post them to. They really help when you have a question at 10:00
pm
and nobody to call.
Welcome all!!
Doug in PA
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:51:15 -0400
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: Pelican PL Kit #694
Greetings Listers:
I am building PL kit #694 (no fast build options) which I received Aug
2000.
I live in Ontario about 1 hour east of Toronto.
Current status is:
- horiz stab - complete
- fin - 90% complete (completion will follow first inspection)
- fuselage - at the point of installing the upper door bulkheads
- fuel tanks - left ready to join (I tested the two halves seperately
with
gasoline (no leaks with water) and discovered a leak at the fuel outlet
-
needless to say I was not a happy builder) but it is now fixed.
I started priming with ZnCrO4 but on the advice of Gary K switched to
Marhyde which is far superior.
I plan to purchase the 912S engine as it almost delivers the power of the
914 and is simpler. I agree with Doug S - the Rotax on my ultralight has
given excellent service for 12 years.
I have purchased Grove wheels and brakes and Whelan strobes.
I plan for first flight in the spring of 2002.
I have pictures of planes under construction at the factory and some of
completed Pelicans which I find very helpful in answering some of the
fabrication issues that arrise. Lorraine has also been considerable
help.
Question for the list:
Not being a particularly technical person I will keep the instrument
panel
to the standard instruments. I was at Ultravia recently and they sort of
recommended Westach instruments (as opposed to VDO). I am also
considering UMA and Microflight.
Any comments as to the relative quality and ability to stand up to
vibration? (I would prefer to buy American as opposed to Chinese).
Mike M
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: fuel senders, trim tab
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:09:14 -0400
Mike,
I think the biggest issue with VDO verses Westach is the fuel sender.
The
float senders do not work well in the tanks because they are too shallow.
The Westach capacitance senders are easier to fit but they stick out
above
the wing skins so a bubble is required. Beyond that, I'm not familiar
with
any other instruments.
I have a question about the trim and anti-servo tabs. The first one I
built followed the angle of the elevator. For the second one, I realized
it
is supposed to be cut in at more of an angle which allows for slightly
more
rudder travel. I was planning on correcting the first one, but I'm not
sure
if it's worth the trouble. Any thoughts?
Gary K.
- Mike, can you send me some pictures of completed (or not) Pelicans?
I'll
try to find out if we have a place to post pictures here. If not, I
haven't
given up on the builders website yet.
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From: mike macleod
> Question for the list:
> Not being a particularly technical person I will keep the instrument
panel
> to the standard instruments. I was at Ultravia recently and they sort
of
> recommended Westach instruments (as opposed to VDO). I am also
> considering UMA and Microflight.
>
> Any comments as to the relative quality and ability to stand up to
> vibration? (I would prefer to buy American as opposed to Chinese).
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: prop hub opening
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:49:46 -0400
Anybody out there with a Rotax? The instructions say to cut the cowl
opening for the prop hub to 3". How much clearance is this around the
hub (how big is the Rotax hub)? I have a larger prop extension for the
Stratus and I'm wondering how big to cut the hole in the front of the
cowling (how much clearance is required for engine movement)?
Gary K.
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From: DMarti1029(at)aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:17:25 EDT
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/13/01
Don't know. Can't get parts or engine from Loraine. Got any ideas how to
get
results from Ultravia ?
Dennis Martin
Kit #
634
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/13/01
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:06:06 -0400
I wish I had an answer for you Dennis. I thought everything was going
well
at Ultravia. What parts are you missing (other than the engine)?
Gary K.
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From:
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/13/01
>
> Don't know. Can't get parts or engine from Loraine. Got any ideas how
to
get
> results from Ultravia ?
> Dennis Martin
Kit
#
> 634
>
>
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From: DMarti1029(at)aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:50:30 EDT
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/16/01
I've been trying to get the fiberglass fairings for struts & for oil
cooler
NACA vent since november & 912S engine and mount since April. I keep
calling &
getting that same old " next week " answer.
How is your plane coming along ? Dennis Martin kit 634
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: Big Pelican news (at bottom)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:52:45 -0400
> I've been trying to get the fiberglass fairings for struts & for oil
cooler
> NACA vent since november & 912S engine and mount since April. I keep
calling &
> getting that same old " next week " answer.
>
> How is your plane coming along ? Dennis Martin kit 634
I'm moving very slow on the painting and engine installation, I got a
major sidetrack with building an addition on the house. I need to
shingle
the roof this weekend. But, the firewall forward for the Stratus is
almost
done and I'll finish painting the inside of the fuselage this week. I'm
doing the engine on a test stand in the basement on a dummy firewall and
I
think it's coming out great. Very nice engine and I put many enjoyable
hours tinkering with the details of the installation. I have all of the
components mounted and connected I'm just fitting the cowling. I might
even
start it down there but I'd rather focus on the fuselage. Hopefully I'll
shoot some finish paint on the fuselage starting next week and bring the
engine out for final mounting and start it out there. All I need to do
is
transfer all of the engine stuff from one firewall to the other. A lot
of
the stuff is already drilled in the stainless firewall on the fuselage so
I'm hoping that will go quickly. Gear is done with wheels, brakes and
wheel
pants, tail is done and was mounted, wings still need one landing light
and
one wingtip but otherwise done. Seats are done and all controls were
fitted. Final paint on flaps, ailerons, fin and rudder is done. I just
keep telling myself "time to just finish it!" but I'm also enjoying the
summer here in Newport. Summers are just too short to spend in the
basement
and garage, especially when I have heat all thru the winter in the garage
anyway.
Sorry about your parts Dennis. Hopefully things will improve very
shortly.
The New Kolb Aircraft is taking on the Pelican Sport for distribution in
the
US for the new sport plane regs. That should certainly help things
along.
They are supposed to have their first demo Pelican Sport on display at
Oshkosh. Wish I was going!
Gary K.
PL #640
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From: "Doug Sheets"
Subject: Pelican-List: Oshkosh
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:41:52
List:
I have Kit #742 that the tail attach tube was damaged in shipment.
Ultravia
sent me a new piece to graft on, but I'm having trouble finding a source
for
the specified epoxy (Delthane?).
Anyway, I just got back from OSH and wanted to see Ultravia and find out
what they are up to. What I found was a Pelican semi assembled in the
Kolb
ultralight booth. There were no representatives either from Kolb (they
were
flying) or Ultravia in the booth both times I was there.
I know that Ultravia lost an investor and they are really pushing to
certify
for the Sportplane category, but I hope they survive the growing pains. I
haven't talked to Laurraine for some time, but I better get my engine
mount
ordered in case anything bad happens.
Doug in NW Pennsylvania
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:13:17 -0400
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: Fillers
List:
1. I am starting to fill in the seams and joints on my fuselage and am
wondering if any of you can assist me in my selection of a good filler.
ie
Aeropoxy Light?
2. Doug Sheets was wondering about Delthane? Doug, could this be
Derakane
which is available from Aircraft Spruce (# 01-07350). However, I believe
from the description that this is the resin supplied in the kit (but
unpromoted) so you should have it on hand.
Mike
kit 694.
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Fillers, resin
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:55:11 -0400
Doug, sorry I didn't respond with this before but here is an email that
Lorraine sent me;
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Dear Gary,
Aircraft Spruce sells some Derakane vynilester resin which is not
identical
to the one we use and which they promote with MEKP.
This would be fine for the air inlet and some lumps in the cowling.
Lorraine
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Mike, I used PolyFiber SuperFil. I got it thru Spruce/Wicks and also
direct
from PolyFiber (about $11/qt). I'm no expert but it worked well for me.
Very light, easy to mix and easy to sand. I have no idea how it sticks
and
holds up over the long run but I like it. I used almost 4 qts but I did
a
lot extra. I filled the leading edge on the fin, tail strobe mount and
wingtip strobe mounts (the new kits come with the strobe mounts and mass
balance covers already molded into the wingtips). I also used it for the
BRS hole and started filling some of the interior. I gave up on the
interior - I saw that speckled paint on the Pelican, Berkut and some
others
at Sun'N'Fun and used it to paint right over the rough fiberglass
interior.
It came out great. I guess we can't post files here but I'll send you a
picture. I used the PolyFiber TopGloss on all the gel coated parts of
the
interior and it looks nice too. I still have to use some filler on the
cowling to modify it for the Subaru so I'll need another qt. of the
SuperFil. I guess a gallon is worth getting for the whole plane.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: mike macleod
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:13 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: Fillers
>
> List:
>
> 1. I am starting to fill in the seams and joints on my fuselage and am
> wondering if any of you can assist me in my selection of a good filler.
ie
> Aeropoxy Light?
>
> 2. Doug Sheets was wondering about Delthane? Doug, could this be
Derakane
> which is available from Aircraft Spruce (# 01-07350). However, I
believe
> from the description that this is the resin supplied in the kit (but
> unpromoted) so you should have it on hand.
>
> Mike
> kit 694.
>
>
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: brake lines
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:18:51 -0400
Does anyone know the best way to route the brake lines? I am starting
with a tricycle gear and will be switching to a taildragger after a
while.
I imagine that the only way is to drill thru both landing gear boxes. I
could use the holes in the front box from the front gear mounts but I
will
need holes in the rear box. Not sure how close to drill at the ends of
the
landing gear boxes. I guess the line gets siliconed to the seat bottoms?
I
saw pictures of an installation where the line went thru the front box,
up
thru the slanted seat bottom and along the floor to the rear box. Makes
sense, just not sure where to drill holes.
I'm also assuming that the lines run down thru the gear leg fairings.
I
was just going to drill a hole top and bottom then use rubber grommets
and
send the line thru. Sound ok?
Anybody out there? Gary K.
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From: DMarti1029(at)aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:40:42 EDT
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/09/01
Gary, In ultravia's directions it says to drill the rear box far enough
inboard so as not to harm the bond at the bulkhead & use a rubber
grommet.
Iam floxing in a tube under the seat for the break line to run thru
Dennis Martin
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: brake lines
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:33:51 -0400
Good idea with the tube, too late for me because my fuselage is all done
and
painted.
Which section is it in the instructions? It sounds simple enough but I'd
still rather find where it mentions that. I looked in the landing gear
and
brake sections. What date are you instructions?
Thanks for the help, Gary K.
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From:
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/09/01
>
> Gary, In ultravia's directions it says to drill the rear box far
enough
> inboard so as not to harm the bond at the bulkhead & use a rubber
grommet.
> Iam floxing in a tube under the seat for the break line to run thru
> Dennis Martin
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From: DMarti1029(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:11:20 EDT
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/10/01
Gary,it is in Instructions for installation of landing gear and
controls
.I have many different dates all through out my directions but in mine
it is
page 21 in section F4-3 Dennis
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From: DMarti1029(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:21:43 EDT
Subject: Pelican-List: (no subject)
Gary,it is in Instructions for installation of landing gear and
controls
.I have many different dates all through out my directions but in mine
it is
page 21 in section F4-3 Dennis
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:25:09 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: NEW Matronics Email List Feature! Browse Current
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:24:19 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Web Server Upgraded! Blazingly Fast Archive
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Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:48:27 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: 2001 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: windows
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:56:38 -0500
Hello,
I'm not sure how many Pelican builders are here but I'm wondering if
anyone else has bonded in the skylights and side windows instead of
riveting. I bought some Silpruf which is what Airlink sells for the
Glastars.
I know that the newer Pelicans do bond the windows in place instead of
riveting and I think they use an automotive adhesive. I'm not sure how
well
it will work on the skylights and side windows without a "joggle" for the
window to sit it from the outside. Mine will have to be bonded in from
the
inside, not sure how strong it will be.
I was thinking of using it on the top and sides of the windshield too
but
Ultravia recommended against it. Lorraine mentioned cracks in the
acrylic
when on floats and that it was important to have the windshield
"floating".
The Airlink guys said that's exactly what Silpruf is for and that it
remains
flexible.
Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Gary K.
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Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:23:03 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser Off to a Slow Start...
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hopefully will be a fun way to watch the Fund Raiser's Progress this
year!
As I've said in the past, the Lists are supported *completely* through
your
generous Contributions during the Fund Raiser and throughout the
year. This includes all of the system and connectivity upgrades we seen,
as well as makes the many hours I spend each month keeping the systems
running even more enjoyable ;-).
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution right now to support your
Lists? Its fast and easy with the On-line, SSL secure Credit Card
system,
or by direct US-Mailing a check. For complete information, please see
the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your Generous Contribution!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
PS - Don't forget to monitor the Fund Raiser Bar Graph below!
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:58:28 -0500
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: windows
Gary:
I haven't bonded mine yet but I have discussed windows with Lorraine a
few
times. Based on her advice I am going to use Silicone to bond the
windows
to the fuselage. She emphasizes that the windows cannot be a tight fit in
the recess as there is some flexing of the fuse. I have the detailed
instructions on window fitting that I can send you if you want.
If you don't have a recess on the outside to mount the windows in do you
have one on the inside? Can you make one?
Mike M
>
>Hello,
> I'm not sure how many Pelican builders are here but I'm wondering if
>anyone else has bonded in the skylights and side windows instead of
>riveting. I bought some Silpruf which is what Airlink sells for the
>Glastars.
>I know that the newer Pelicans do bond the windows in place instead of
>riveting and I think they use an automotive adhesive. I'm not sure how
well
>it will work on the skylights and side windows without a "joggle" for
the
>window to sit it from the outside. Mine will have to be bonded in from
the
>inside, not sure how strong it will be.
> I was thinking of using it on the top and sides of the windshield too
but
>Ultravia recommended against it. Lorraine mentioned cracks in the
acrylic
>when on floats and that it was important to have the windshield
"floating".
>The Airlink guys said that's exactly what Silpruf is for and that it
remains
>flexible.
>
>Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Gary K.
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From: DMarti1029(at)aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 04:02:25 EST
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/05/01
are you talking about bonding after paint ?sounds like a great idea.
could
you send me the info to?
DMarti1029(at)aol.com
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From: DMarti1029(at)aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:33:51 EST
Subject: Pelican-List: (no subject)
are you talking about bonding after paint ?sounds like a great idea.
could
you send me the info to?
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: windows
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:38:44 -0500
Thanks Mike,
Sure I'll take a copy of the instructions. Are you going to bond the
windshield instead of using the aluminum strips?
I don't have any recesses in my fuselage for the skylights or
sidewindows.
They just sit on the inside - there is a large recesses area for them but
not a "joggle" like on the outside of the new doors. I did upgrade to
the
new doors so that should be easy. I just smoothed out a bead of the
silpruf
around the inside and outside of the window to the fuselage. The windows
sit about 1/16" - 1/8" inside of the fuselage. It would have been nice
to
machine a piece of thicker lexan so that it has a lip and would sit flush
with the outside of the fuselage but these came out pretty good just the
way
they are. Onto the windshield next. I heard that it's important to get
rid
of all stress risers on the edges of the windshield, even to the point of
polishing all around the edges with very fine sandpaper.
Do you have an electronic copy of the instructions? If so, send them
on
over. If not, I'll send you my address. I probably won't be getting to
the
windshield for about a month or so. I'll be putting on the gear tonight
and
moving my firewall-forward onto the fuselage this weekend. How is yours
coming along? Going to Sun'N'Fun again?
Thanks for the help, Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: mike macleod
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: windows
>
> Gary:
>
> I haven't bonded mine yet but I have discussed windows with Lorraine a
few
> times. Based on her advice I am going to use Silicone to bond the
windows
> to the fuselage. She emphasizes that the windows cannot be a tight fit
in
> the recess as there is some flexing of the fuse. I have the detailed
> instructions on window fitting that I can send you if you want.
>
> If you don't have a recess on the outside to mount the windows in do
you
> have one on the inside? Can you make one?
>
> Mike M
> >
> >Hello,
> > I'm not sure how many Pelican builders are here but I'm wondering if
> >anyone else has bonded in the skylights and side windows instead of
> >riveting. I bought some Silpruf which is what Airlink sells for the
> >Glastars.
> >I know that the newer Pelicans do bond the windows in place instead of
> >riveting and I think they use an automotive adhesive. I'm not sure
how
well
> >it will work on the skylights and side windows without a "joggle" for
the
> >window to sit it from the outside. Mine will have to be bonded in
from
the
> >inside, not sure how strong it will be.
> > I was thinking of using it on the top and sides of the windshield too
but
> >Ultravia recommended against it. Lorraine mentioned cracks in the
acrylic
> >when on floats and that it was important to have the windshield
"floating".
> >The Airlink guys said that's exactly what Silpruf is for and that it
remains
> >flexible.
> >
> >Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Gary K.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:14:15 -0500
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: Windows
Dennis/Gary/List:
I will send the instructions by direct email as I think it is faster than
through the pelican list. My service is very slow because I am at the
end
of the phone line. To keep it from hanging up on me I will sending the
photos in 7 messages.
I had a scanner up until the breakin last year. I hardly ever used it so
I
did not replace it with the insurance money. So, I hope you can use the
photos of the pages I am sending. They are from the SPORT instruction
manual and I got them from Lorraine this spring. The handwriting on the
pages is hers.
Gary, I don't know what you mean by the aluminum strips. I plan to
follow
the instructions on the pages I am sending.
I have finished the fuselage except for the wing fairings and the
eyebrows
which I am not going to do until the wings are on and I can ensure a good
fit. I don't trust the cardboard templates that came with the kit. I
guess
I really mean I don't trust my ability to use the templates.
I don't have the moulded windshield so I hope mine is more forgiving
Still shooting for next August. Got the landing gear on last week and put
the tail on (then took it off) so it is starting to look like a plane.
Went up to the Peterbrough airport last month to "Flying Colors". They
primarily paint large aircraft (shop was full of regional jets and FedEx
feeder planes) but they were very helpful and interested in painting the
pelican. I think I will get the plane painted there as they are more
familiar with painting aluminum (and do a job that will last) vs my local
autobody shop.
Not planning to go to Sun&Fun next year, but plans can change, you going?
Mike
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:45:06 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Listers Are Saying - Fund Raiser Continues...
Dear Listers,
The 2001 List Fund Raiser is going well and I want to thank everyone that
has already so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists!
Below
are some of the great comments and feedback members have been including
along with their Contributions.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the continued operation
and
upgrade of your Lists? Its fast and easy using the SSL Secure Web Site
or
by simply sending a personal check. Complete information can be found at
Contribution web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
A give a special Thank You to all of those that have already contributed
so
far this year!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
================== What Listers Are Saying ====================
Great information site.
- Edward S.
This is the first thing I look at every day.
- Ralph M.
The new List option is WONDERFUL!
- Kenyon B.
...new Search Software is absolutely fantastic!!
- Bruce K.
...essential to my enjoyment of RV building and flying.
- Douglas W.
Great List!
- Randall H.
...an invaluable service!
- Carlos S.
...incredible service to the industry!
- Alex M.
Building wouldn't be the same without the "Great List".
- Tom E.
...has helped the building process immensely.
- Hap S.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:22:47 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Have You Tried the New List Browse Feature??
Hi Listers,
I've been getting a LOT of very positive feedback on the new Email List
Browsing feature I added to the suite of List services a couple of weeks
ago. A number of List members have written to say that they love the new
List Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages
throughout the day without having to constantly check their email or wait
for the Digest issue to come out.
The List Browse Function allows you to use your web browser to view the
current 7 day's worth of List messages for the give List. The indexes
are
updated every 30 minutes with any new messages that have been posted.
You
can sort all of the message indexes by Thread, Subject, Author, or Date
and
easily track and find current threads.
You can check out the New List Browse Feature by going to the following
URL
and clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Please remember that November is List Fund Raiser month!! The continued
operation and upgrade of the Email Lists are _entirely_ supported by YOUR
Contributions and support. You'll never see annoying, flashing banner
ads,
or other forms of commercialism on these Lists. Just people sharing
information, data, and stories about your favorite topic, plain (plane?)
and simple.
If you enjoy the Lists and all of the services here, won't you take
moment
and make a quick Contribution? It fast and easy using the SSL Secure Web
site with your Visa or MasterCard. Or, you can also send a personal
check
to the address listed below.
SSL Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
USMail: Matt Dralle
c/o Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Don't forget that the "List of Contributors" will be coming out in just a
few short weeks! Don't you want to make sure you're name is on it?
I would like to wish a special "Thank You" to everyone that has made a
Contribution so far this year!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:25:23 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Free Copy of Van's New "THE RV STORY" Video!
Hey Listers!
In support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) is donating a FREE COPY of
the
new edition of Van's "The RV Story" video (VHS) to any Email List Member
making a Contribution of $50 or more!
To take advantage of this wonderful Offer, please include the following
information along with your Contribution, either in the Message Box if
you
Contribute on-line, or on a slip of paper if your Contribution is by
check
via the USMail:
Van's RV Story Video Offer
$50 or Greater Contributor
[your name]
[your shipping address]
[your City, State and Zip Code]
If you've already made a Contribution in 2001 of $50 or more and would
like
to receive the video, please drop me an email ( dralle(at)matronics.com )
and
include the information shown above with the words "Video Offer" in the
Subject line.
Please note that this new edition of "The RV Story" will first be
available
in about 8 weeks.
I want to thank Andy Gold and the Builder's Book Store for this *very
generous* Contribution! If you haven't taken a moment to check out The
Builder's Book Store web site yet, you owe it to yourself to have a look
(
http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ). Andy has a fabulous selection of
interesting, informative, and exceptionally useful books and videos on
his
site. Please have a look!
Again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Your Contributions
make all of the Lists and Services found here possible - period.
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:52:55 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What They're Saying...
Hi Listers,
The 2001 List Fund Raiser is currently underway and lot's of people have
been making their Contribution and saying a lot of very nice things about
the Lists and what they're daily-dose of Forum means to them! I've
included a few more of the Lister comments below.
Won't you take a moment to support your Lists this month? Its fast and
easy by making a Secure Credit Card Contribution at the following web
site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
For Complete information on the upgrades and improvements the Lists and
servers have undergone this year, have a look at this URL:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=113171908?KEYS
=asdfasdf?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=1942094803?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
Here's few more of the comments I've been receiving about what the Lists
mean to its members:
======================
Not only a great way to help each other out, it's been
a wonderful way to meet new friends. - Fred H.
The List is invaluable to me...
- Russell W.
I absolutely love your Lists...
- Scott C.
...you are tying all the builders together.
- David A.
The Lists continue to be an invaluable source of
information. - Jeff O.
I look forward to reading my Email every day...
- Harvey S.
They are invaluable resources to builders of all
skill levels. - Kevin H.
...another year of excellent service.
- Terry W.
Way cool setup.
- Chuck R.
...source of information, inspiration, support,
and camaraderie. - Carlos S.
I'd be lost without them...
- Jeff O.
======================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:49:18 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: LOC
Hi Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December
1st
I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to
support
the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a
minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors? As a number of people have pointed out, the List seems at
least, if not a whole lot more, valuable as a building/flying/recreating
tool as a typical your magazine subscription. We won't even talk about a
newsstand price... :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution
to
support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa or M/C on the SSL
Secure
Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
!! Don't forget !!
Andy Gold of the Builder's Book Store ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ )
has
generously donated a FREE copy of Van's new "The RV Story" video to
anyone
making a Contribution of $50 or more to support the Lists. For complete
information on the _awesome_ offer, please see this URL:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=113629625?KEYS
=asdf?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=1?SERIAL=23392130806?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
To make sure you get your video, be sure to follow the instructions at
the
URL above carefully!
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a
little comment about how the Lists have helped you! I love to feel the
love... :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:06:17 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Michael Brown...
Hi Listers,
In support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Michael Brown of Brown
Aviation Tool Supply Co. ( http://www.browntool.com ) has generously
offered to provide Gift Certificates to all Listers making Contributions
of
$30 or more this year!
Making your Contribution to support these Email Lists and to qualify for
the Brown Tool Gift Certificate is fast and easy by using the SSL Secure
Credit Card Contribution Web Site at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
According to Michael, "The Gift Certificates have absolutely no strings
attached and are as good as cash for anything from the Brown Tool Web
Site
or Catalog."
The amount of your Gift Certificate is based on the size of your List
Contribution and is according to the following:
$100 or greater Contribution receives a $25 Gift Certificate!
or
$30-$99 Contribution receives a $10 Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
To receive your Brown Tool Gift Certificate, send an email message to:
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com
and include the following information:
1) Subject Line: Tool Offer
2) Which Gift Certificate you qualify for ($10 or $25)
3) [Your Name]
4) [Your Mailing Address]
5) [Your City, State Zip]
** Please only use the email address shown above (
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com ) to request your Gift Certificate!
*** Anyone making a List Contribution of $30 or more in 2001 qualifies
for
the Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
You should receive your Gift Certificate from Brown Tool in about 2-4
weeks.
I want to thank Michael Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for this
wonderful offer in support of the Email Lists! If you haven't yet had a
look at the Brown Tool Web Site ( http://www.browntool.com ), then you
own
it to yourself to take a peek! He has some great deals and good quality
tools.
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has already made a
Contribution in this year's Fund Raiser! Its YOUR support that keeps
these
Lists running and NOT ADVERTISING and FLASHING BANNER ADS...
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:03:02 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Can You Say...?
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton great comments on what the Lists mean to its
members and I've included a few of them below. I'm sure _most_ of you
can
echo one or more of these sentiments to the tune of a nice List
Contribution... :-)
Just one more week until I post the 2001 List of Contributors! Won't you
support the continued operation of these Lists by making a Contribution
today and assure your place on the upcoming Contributor List? I'm sure
your friends will be checking for your name on the LOC... ;-)
SSL Secure Web Visa and MasterCard Contributions:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Personal Check via the US Mail:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
I want to thank everyone that has already made a Contribution this
year! YOU make these Lists possible!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
=========================================================================
==
Can't live without my List everyday!
- John B.
Information you can't get anywhere else.
- George D.
...one of the finest List sites on the Internet.
- Dennis S.
This List has saved my bacon more than once!
- Larry H.
Really invaluable service for a novice builder.
- John B.
...got some useful help from the List.
- Rocky S.
A valuable resource.
- Dennis N.
This List is a Super resource...
- Dwight F.
...couldn't have gotten this far without the
resources on the List.
- Jerry C.
Great service to us builders...
- Ronald M.
...someday we'll all meet in RV Heaven. Hey,
how come there isn't an "RV-Heaven" List?
- Louis W.
The info I've gleaned from the List has saved
me several thousand dollars...
- Kevin H.
...the only International, Interesting, Up-to-date,
List with the best search engine ever!
- Hans L.
...check it ever day so I don't miss anything.
- Jim B.
Great List!
- Douglas G.
This List has saved me a few times already...
- Thomas R.
...part of my morning wake up reading.
- Dwight F.
...helped my make my plane better, safer, better
looking, and built it quicker.
- Kevin H.
Have bought many items from the info the List gives.
- Jim B.
You meet the nicest people here.
- George D.
Informative, Amusing, Entertaining...
- John B.
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:57:17 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Don't Miss The Video...
Hey Listers!
Just a reminder that in support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Andy
Gold of The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) is
donating a FREE COPY of the new edition of Van's "The RV Story" video
(VHS)
to any List Member making a Contribution of $50 or more!
To take advantage of this wonderful Offer, please include the following
information along with your Contribution, either in the Message Box if
you
Contribute on-line, or on a slip of paper if your Contribution is by
check
via the USMail:
Van's RV Story Video Offer
$50 or Greater Contributor
[your name]
[your shipping address]
[your City, State and Zip Code]
If you've already made a Contribution of $50 or more during the 2001 Fund
Raiser and would still like to receive the video, please drop me an email
(
dralle(at)matronics.com ) and include the information shown above with
the
following Subject Line:
Subject: Video Offer
Please note that this new edition of "The RV Story" will first be
available
in about 8 weeks.
I want to thank Andy Gold and the Builder's Book Store for this *very
generous* Contribution! If you haven't taken a moment to check out The
Builder's Book Store web site yet, you owe it to yourself to have a look
(
http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ). Andy has a fabulous selection of
interesting, informative, and exceptionally useful books and videos on
his
site. Please have a look!
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
so far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Just a few more days until I
send
out the List of Contributors for 2001. Make your Contribution today to
make sure your name is on the LOC!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:27:59 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Brown Tool Gift Certificate Reminder...
Hi Listers,
Just a reminder that in support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser,
Michael
Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. ( http://www.browntool.com ) has
generously offered to provide Gift Certificates to all Listers making
Contributions of $30 or more this year!
Making your Contribution to support these Email Lists and to qualify for
the Brown Tool Gift Certificate is fast and easy by using the SSL Secure
Credit Card Contribution Web Site at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
According to Michael, "The Gift Certificates have absolutely no strings
attached and are as good as cash for anything from the Brown Tool Web
Site
or Catalog."
The amount of your Gift Certificate is based on the size of your List
Contribution and is according to the following:
$100 or greater Contribution receives a $25 Gift Certificate!
or
$30-$99 Contribution receives a $10 Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
To receive your Brown Tool Gift Certificate, send an email message to:
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com
and include the following information:
1) Subject Line: Tool Offer
2) Which Gift Certificate you qualify for ($10 or $25)
3) [Your Name]
4) [Your Mailing Address]
5) [Your City, State Zip]
** Please only use the email address shown above (
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com ) to request your Gift Certificate!
*** Anyone making a List Contribution of $30 or more in 2001 qualifies
for
the Gift Certificate! But, you have to follow the instructions above to
receive it!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
You should receive your Gift Certificate from Brown Tool in about 2-4
weeks.
I want to thank Michael Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for this
wonderful offer in support of the Email Lists! If you haven't yet had a
look at the Brown Tool Web Site ( http://www.browntool.com ), then you
own
it to yourself to take a peek! He has some great deals and good quality
tools.
I would like to thank everyone that has already made a Contribution in
this
year's Fund Raiser!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:07:37 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Contributors Down By 25%...
Dear Listers,
First I want to thank everyone that has already so generously made a
Contribution toward this year 2001 List Fund Raiser. It is your support
that makes these Lists possible.
Since there are only a couple more days until the official end of this
year's drive, I want to share some statistics regarding this and previous
Fund Raiser percentages. In years past, the percentage of members making
a
Contribution to support the Lists has typically been right around 23% of
the total List population. This year, however, you'll note from the
Contribution Meter that we're only at a little over 16% for some
reason. This is down by roughly 7%, and translates into about a *30%
decrease* in participation this year!
I'm hoping that everyone is just waiting until the very last minute to
make
their Contribution this year, and that the needle on the Contribution
Meter
will still creep up to the normal 23% in the next few days! Saturday or
Sunday I will be posting the 2001 List of Contributors, so you'll want to
heat up that Contribution Web Site right away to make sure your name is
on
the 2001 LOC!!
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
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Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:41:42 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [PLEASE READ] - Why Have A Fund Raiser Each Year?
Listers,
A couple List Members have asked if the Lists are "in trouble
financially"
and wanted to know if this is why I was having a Fund Raiser. It got to
thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also
take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here
provide
a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs.
From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my
List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a
few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a
Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps
with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a great amount of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast
Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding
the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
new List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of
use is outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth
of messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial.
And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew who where
building RVs. It has grown into nearly 40 different aviation-related
Email
Lists and an associated web site that receives over 500,000 hits each
month!! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of
value
in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still
providing
and improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it
shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List
Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:48:35 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Free Stuff Reminder...
Dear Listers,
Don't forget that you can receive a free copy of Van's new Video, "The RV
Story" with a $50 or greater contribution this year, or a $10 Gift
Certificate from Brown Tool for a $30 or greater contribution or a $25
Gift
Certificate for a $100 contribution. Below are two URLs for complete
information on the two Offers. Please follow the respective instructions
*carefully*.
Van's Video Offer Information:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=5781141?KEYS=a
sdf?LISTNAME=Yak?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=09092616692?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
Brown Aviation Tool Gift Certificate Information:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=5838463?KEYS=a
sdf?LISTNAME=Yak?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=09080216166?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore and Michael Brown of
Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for their generous offers in support the
Lists this year!! Thank you, guys!
I'd like to thank everyone that has already made a generous Contribution
in
support of the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:29:46 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Comments...
Listers,
Below are some of the comments I've received just this week alone from
members along with their Contributions to support the Lists! What can I
say? Wow. I really appreciate the kind words and extremely positive
feedback and I would encourage you to read over a few of comments below.
I
think they really say a mouthful...
The last couple of days have seen a huge increase in support!! Thank you
to all that have Contributed and to those that have rallied support for
the
Lists! Since the response has been so wonderful recently, I plan to
delay
the posting of the 2001 List of Contributors a few days to assure that
everyone will be included!
Won't you make your Contribution today to support the Lists?
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The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
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Thank you to everyone for the kind words and support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
======== Some Great Comments on What The Lists Mean to its Members
==========
...great source of information, education,
relaxation, frustration, and socialization.
- John H.
Can't imagine what it would be like building
with out the Lists...
- Steven E.
Look forward to the list every day.
- Parker T.
I really enjoy reading the banter...
- Wesley H.
...enjoy the patter on construction tips and
possible problem areas.
- Richard N.
Couldn't have built my RV-4 without the List
and archives!!
- Warren M.
I have found the list to be a great help,
especially for a first time builder.
- Peter D.
I thoroughly enjoy the List.
- Larry B.
The List is a great resource.
- Dennis K.
The list is great entertainment.
- Gary Z.
Can't say enough about the good information
that I have received from reading the List.
- Robert C.
...it's the best!
- Steve F.
I'm addicted to the List!
- Rodney B.
The list has been a wonderful resource of
knowledge.
- Doug B.
As a first time builder, the lists have
been my most important source of information.
- James V.
It [read the List] is the first thing I do
every day is see what's new.
- Billie F.
The information available through the List
has made my flying safer...
- Dave R.
I get much more information about my plane
from this List than from all of my aviation
magazines combined.
- Roger H.
I love the list!!!!
- Ken L.
Much better value than a magazine subscription.
- Ted M.
...found it very useful.
- Allan J.
...this list has been a great service to me.
- Peter F.
I cannot express just how USEFUL the Lists are.
- Geoff T.
...a tremendous help to my RV-8 project and
a way to meet some of the best people going.
- Steve G.
The List is invaluable, and the best I've
ever seen.
- Ed C.
Like another family for many of us.
- John H.
The lists have saved a bunch of calls to
Van's for guidance.
- James V.
I think I'm addicted...
- Terry C.
Love it!
- David W.
The information really helps...
- Jim P.
...I find [it] very informative.
- Real D.
...List keeps me motivated... - Cliff M.
The exchange of information is really helpful...
- M.N.
Lots of great info on the List.
- Larry D.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:18:35 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: New Photo Share Main Index Page - The Detail You
Asked For...
Hi Listers!
I've been noticing a lot of people having fun with the new Email List
Photo
and File Share feature and I've seen a great many hits on the various
member pages.
A number of you wrote to say that some additional topic data on the Main
Photo Share Index page would certainly be helpful and I would have to
agree.
It took a little programming, and it was a job retrofitting to all of the
older Shares, but I think you'll be pleased with the outcome! I've added
Poster Name, Photo Share Subject, and Target Email List data to the Main
Index. Clicking on a Subject text opens a new window with the Photo
Share
and the thumbnails.
Have a look and feel free to submit your photos for sharing! The
instructions are at the top of the Main Photo Share Index Page.
The URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Enjoy!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:57:00 -0800
Subject: Pelican-List: [ Gary Krysztopik ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Subject: Various Photos
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/KrysztopikGW@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil.12.11.
2001/index.html
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o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE
Share your files and photos with other List members simply by
emailing the files to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text
Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos.
o Main Photo Share Index:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:57:56 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [ PLEASE READ ] : Matronics Network Upgrade Mon.
12/17/01
Listers,
According to my ISP, Speakeasy, they will be doing some sort of "backbone
upgrade" Monday, 12/17/01. Their message doesn't mention whether or not
this will impact connectivity for any length of time. I wanted everyone
to
know that there might be a time when access to the Matronics Web Server
and
Email Lists might be unavailable. If there's a problem, I'll post a
message from a different email address with details.
Bottom line: Hopefully nobody will notice...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:58:06 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Belated List of Contributors #2...
Dear Listers,
I'd like to apologize for the delay in posting the 2001 List of
Contributors Number 2, as well as getting behind in the List Photo
Shares. Here's my sad story... Over the Christmas holidays, I was
working
out in the shop on a rotating drum sander. I was sanding out the woofer
hole in a speaker enclosure and, long story short, the part got away from
me and started spinning like a Hula hoop on the drum. Rather than just
turning the machine off like I should have done, I tried to grab the part
and in the process badly broke the ring fingers on *both* my right and
left
hands!! I had to go in for surgery on the left hand because of the joint
damage and was stuck in a thing called an "external fixator" for almost 4
weeks. The right hand has healed up well, but the left one is very stiff
and I'm currently only getting about 70 degrees of bend. The doctor says
that I will get 80-90% of the moment back with a great deal of therapy
and
I'm going to hold them to that...
The moral of the story is that even a sander can be a dangerous tool. I
had been working with a table saw, drill press, scroll saw, and high
power
routers all day long and afforded them all the respect they deserved.
But
with the sander, I never even thought about how things could go bad. It
just didn't seem like a dangerous tool. Be careful out there in the
shop. In a moment you can hurt yourself; hurt yourself in such a way
that
you will have to live with the damage the rest of your life. Nothing is
worth that.
I'm finally back working on the computer and getting back to email and
other stuff. Later today I will be processing the mound of Photo Shares
that have backed up while I was out. I also just finished up the 2001
List
Contributions and have included the List Number 2 below.
I want to thank everyone that has so generously contributed to the List
this past year! It is your Contributions that make these Lists possible.
I understand that the Van's Videos from the Builder's Bookstore should be
shipping very soon if not already, and the discount coupons from Brown
Tools should already have arrived. Thanks again to Andy Gold and Michael
Brown for their generous support of the Lists this year with these
giveaways!
Oh, and now that my fingers are working pretty well again, I've decided
to
go ahead and finish my RV-4!! I had a LOT of guilt over wanting to sell
it... :-)
Happy Building and Flying!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Alexander, Don
Alexander, George
Andrews, Jim
Anonymous
Blake, James
Bowman, John
Buryl, Hill
Butler, Sherman
Cantrell, Jimmy
DeRuiter, Marcel
Deffner, David
Graumlich, Tom
Griffin, Randy
Harbour, Keith
Hunt, Robin
Jannon, Terence
Johnson, Jackie
Kahn, Steve
Labhart, Norm
Laird, David
Larson, Joe
Licking, Larry
Maynard, Brad
Navratil, Richard
Noonan, Thomas
Petersen, Paul
Reed, Gary
Rogers, Ken
Salter, Phillip
Schmit, John
Schultz, David
Sheffield, Ray
Smith, Edmond
Staley, Dick
Utterback, Tom
Uvanni, Bruce
Williams, Henry
Wilson, Robert
Woodward, Don
Worthington, Victor
Zirges, Malcom
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: brake pedals
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:26:56 -0500
Hello,
Anybody out there? I was just trying to put my brake pedals in and
they
end up slanted
forward quite a bit. I remember that the factory plane was the same way
and
it was awkward to use the brakes. Has anybody installed their brake
pedals?
I'd rather try to correct it before I mount everything. I'll have to
write
the factory to see
if they came up with a change.
Gary K.
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From: John Piepers
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: brake pedals
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:16:19 +0100
Hi Gary,
I'v installed my brakes some time ago and they didn't slant so much
forward as you describe yours. I have Pelican 684.
John Piepers
Netherlands
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Gary K [mailto:flyink(at)efortress.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 5 maart 2002 5:27
Aan: pelican-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Pelican-List: brake pedals
Hello,
Anybody out there? I was just trying to put my brake pedals in and
they
end up slanted
forward quite a bit. I remember that the factory plane was the same way
and
it was awkward to use the brakes. Has anybody installed their brake
pedals?
I'd rather try to correct it before I mount everything. I'll have to
write
the factory to see
if they came up with a change.
Gary K.
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:31:22 -0500
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: Brake Pedals
Gary:
I test fit my brake pedals last summer. At the time I thought that they
were slanted rearward a bit.(just past 90 degrees)
I didn't make any changes because I wanted to have the seats in before
making adjustments. (seats not in yet).
I also recall having some interference with the brake mechanism at full
travel of the pedal which I also didn't fix.
Since then I have installed the rudder which has very limited travel
before
it hits the stops - at least compared to my ultralight. I questioned the
factory on this and Lorraine assured me that my rudder travel is correct.
This may eliminate my concern about interference because the pedal travel
will be limited by the rudder stop (on the tailpost).
I am using Grove brakes which I believe are physically the same as the
Cleveland brakes.
Let us know how you make out.
Mike M
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: SNF
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:13:59 -0500
Anybody going to Sun'N'Fun?
Any builders news?
Hopefully I'll be pushing mine out for some thrust measurements this
weekend. Does anybody know typical thrust for a Rotax 912? I have a
Stratus and it's supposed to have 475 lbs of thrust with a three-blade
Warp
Drive but I have a Prince that's more of a cruise prop so I'm not sure
what
to expect. Just curious.
Thanks, Gary K.
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:20:29 -0700
From: "Builder's Bookstore"
Subject: Pelican-List: Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos
Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos
I've got 5 copies of a Thunderbirds / Blue Angles video which we'll give
away for Free to the first 5 people who ask for it along with any other
regular order from Builder's Bookstore.
It's a 50 minute video, 1/2 on the Thunderbirds, and 1/2 on the Blue
Angels. The Thunderbird segment is excellent. The Blue Angels section
is not as good.
To get one, just write FREE THUNDERBIRDS VIDEO in the special
instructions box on the Builder's Bookstore on-line order form, or say
so if you prefer to order something by phone.
Also, in case you are caller #6 or later, note if your regular order
depends on whether there is a free video left to include in your
package.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
http://buildersbooks.com
800 780-4115
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:36:37 -0700
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: amphib floats
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:16:55 -0400
There is a pair of like-new factory amphib floats for sale from another
builder. They are about $16K new, he is selling them for $12K. Only
about
10 water landings on them and no more than a few years old. I can pass
along any questions.
Thanks, Gary K.
BTW, Kolb had a nice completed Pelican at their both at Sun'N'Fun, and
another partially built one. The completed one has about 50 hours on it
and
is working well, and they are building the other one for the president of
the company. Jean Rene and Lorraine were there for a few days at the
Kolb
booth too.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:24:06 -0400
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: Fairings on Horizontal Stab
List:
I am in the process of attaching the small fairings at the ends of the
horizontal stab. I want them to line up with the fiberglass leading edge
of the stab.
So far this has been mission impossible! (for starters the leading edge
curves are different radius)
Any suggestions as to how to accomplish this task?
Mike
PL kit 694
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Fairings on Horizontal Stab
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:48:05 -0400
I think you're on your own there Mike. I believe they are intended to
overlap the leading edge.
However, as far as the trailing edge, I initially put mine on wrong. I
had it overlapping the trailing edge. I saw the factory plane and it was
even with the trailing edge so I changed mine and it fits better. Same
with
the rudder tip but it was too late to change mine.
The Kolb Sport 600 had the fiberglass wingtips even with the end of the
wing. I'm not happy about how wavy it comes out when you overlap it like
the instructions, but it doesn't seem worth the effort to do it like the
Kolb plane did. These are all details that will probably never be
noticed
once it's flying anyway.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: Fairings on Horizontal Stab
>
> List:
>
> I am in the process of attaching the small fairings at the ends of the
> horizontal stab. I want them to line up with the fiberglass leading
edge
> of the stab.
>
> So far this has been mission impossible! (for starters the leading edge
> curves are different radius)
>
> Any suggestions as to how to accomplish this task?
>
>
> Mike
> PL kit 694
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:33:31 -0400
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: Fairings
Gary, I think I will put the small fairing on with the front about 1/8
inch
behind the leading edge of the horiz stab. Then I will fill the 'gap' in
with a small strip of fiberglass and micro to bring the two in line.
I am not clear on your comments on the trailing edge. I have put the
rear
fairing on with the end approximately even with the elevator trailing
edge
so that's ok but my rudder tip definitely overlaps the rudder trailing
edge, I am not sure how you could do it any other way?
I am about to fit my fiberglass wing tips and agree with you about the
appearance of the 'wavy' overlap. Its the kind of thing I didn't notice
when I looked at completed Pelicans but now that I am building one it
really sticks out. I have considered hollowing out the tip where it
covers
the end rivets on the wing (I think the 'wave' is caused by the uneven
riveted surface underneath). But that is a lot of work for no gain in
flying capability just appearance.
How did Kolb do it?
My decision time is probably Thursday.
How are you making out with your engine? I have ordered a 912S from
Ultravia, delivery end of May.
Mike
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From: John Piepers
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: Fairings on Horizontal Stab
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:11:42 +0200
Gary, Mike,
I had the same 'problem' with the fairings on the hor. stab. Its just
cosmetic.
We have 2 completed Pelicans in the hangar at Drachten airport were I'm
building
mine, so I had some comparing material.
I took the time to glass mine to the stabilizer; I made a small rib from
some
foam, overlapped it with a bid of glass and attached is to the rib on the
front fairing
so the side fairing would go over it. Then I used micro to make it nice
and
smooth.
Can't see the difference from afar but it definately looks nicer close
up.
I noticed on the flying pelicans that the side fairings on the stab all
get
very dirty
(between the overlap) and there's no way of cleaning it if you used
poprivets to attach
them to the stab.
John
Pelican PL 684
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Gary K [mailto:flyink(at)efortress.com]
Verzonden: maandag 29 april 2002 18:48
Aan: pelican-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Pelican-List: Fairings on Horizontal Stab
I think you're on your own there Mike. I believe they are intended to
overlap the leading edge.
However, as far as the trailing edge, I initially put mine on wrong. I
had it overlapping the trailing edge. I saw the factory plane and it was
even with the trailing edge so I changed mine and it fits better. Same
with
the rudder tip but it was too late to change mine.
The Kolb Sport 600 had the fiberglass wingtips even with the end of the
wing. I'm not happy about how wavy it comes out when you overlap it like
the instructions, but it doesn't seem worth the effort to do it like the
Kolb plane did. These are all details that will probably never be
noticed
once it's flying anyway.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: Fairings on Horizontal Stab
>
> List:
>
> I am in the process of attaching the small fairings at the ends of the
> horizontal stab. I want them to line up with the fiberglass leading
edge
> of the stab.
>
> So far this has been mission impossible! (for starters the leading edge
> curves are different radius)
>
> Any suggestions as to how to accomplish this task?
>
>
> Mike
> PL kit 694
>
>
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:39:39 -0400
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: More Fairings
John:
Thanks for the tip, I will use your method to attach the stab side
fittings. (Once it gets warm enough to do fiberglass work - prediction
is
for a dusting of snow here Friday morning)
Another question for the list:
How did you fit the fairing (BT 215) that wraps around the fin bottom (on
top of horiz stab)? It looks to me like the only way to fit this piece
is
to cut the lip on top of the fairing where it goes underneath the leading
edge of the fin so you can slide it under.
Any thoughts?
Mike
PL 694
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: More Fairings
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 22:01:52 -0400
Good question Mike. It's tough to get that on and off with the fin
mounted
even after trimming quite a bit. I think it's supposed to be mounted
with
the fin. I thought I saw somewhere that a hole is drilled in the top of
the
fairing for a socket to get at the front fin mount bolt. I'd rather have
it
removable too.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: More Fairings
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the tip, I will use your method to attach the stab side
> fittings. (Once it gets warm enough to do fiberglass work - prediction
is
> for a dusting of snow here Friday morning)
>
> Another question for the list:
>
> How did you fit the fairing (BT 215) that wraps around the fin bottom
(on
> top of horiz stab)? It looks to me like the only way to fit this piece
is
> to cut the lip on top of the fairing where it goes underneath the
leading
> edge of the fin so you can slide it under.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mike
> PL 694
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:52:33 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Browsing Feature!
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick
feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or
Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL
and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Keith Bedell"
Subject: Pelican-List: XDP4000X-List: unhappy
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:44:27 -0400
All-
I hooked up my xdp-4000x and it sounds like crap. I ordered the necessary
cable
from online and tried to tune it, but it just got worse. Is there
something missing
htat I need to do to get it to work. When I bypass it with rca splitters
the res of my system works like a charm. I have the 6001ES running three
10'
ES subs. Then 2 1805 ES's handling everything else. Aside from the
problems with
the 4x, there is a huge disparity between cd volume and radio volume. I
mean
huge!!!. I can max out radio volume and it sounds ok, then pop in a cd
and
half way blows mee out of the cab. Any ideas, I anm just so dissapointed
right
now....
From: Matt Dralle
Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
To: Email-Lists(at)matronics.com
Subject: XDP4000X-List: List Browsing Feature!
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:52:33 -0700
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick
feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or
Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL
and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:34:51 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Four New Email Lists At Matronics!!
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from
Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscibe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
_________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:02:20 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [With Good URL This Time!] Four New Email Lists At
Matronics!!
[Typo in the subscribe page URL last time - SORRY! -Matt]
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from
Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
_________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 10:28:08 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Getting Bounced From Matronics Lists...
Dear Listers,
I have two programs I run regularly to purge the various Matronics email
lists of bad email addresses. I referred to these as my Email Weasels
and
there is a daily version that is run automatically every night at
midnight
and there is a and a monthly version that I run by hand at roughly 30-day
intervals.
The Daily Weasel grinds through the 8 to 10mb of bounced email that is
generated each day looking for obvious things like "user unknown", "host
unknown", and other things that usually mean the user's email address
doesn't exist any longer. The Daily Weasel has been purging 5 to 10
email
addresses each night.
The Monthly Weasel gets more serious about the task and sends a single
message to each list member with specially generated headers and content
information. Any bounces or replies to these messages are considered
errors and the email address is eligible for purging. This program is
particularly useful for "weaseling out" email addresses that are actually
being forwarded to by another email address that is subscribed to a List
and otherwise would not be identifiable. The Monthly Weasel purges
roughly
100 nonexistent email addresses each month when it is run.
To check to see if your address has been removed by either of the Email
Weasel programs, you can check the Weasel Status Web Page at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If you find your email address on the Weasel List, but are certain that
everything is working fine now, simply go the Matronics Subscription page
and resubscribe your address. No harm, no foul. The subscription URL
is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
That all having been said, I've noticed that the Daily Weasel may have
been
getting a little too aggressive in purging addresses recently and a
number
of people have written asking if and why they'd been dropped from the
List.
A couple of months ago I rewrote the Daily Weasel program to include a
wider variety of errors and more aggressively purge. One of the new
purge
criteria that I added seems to occur a fair amount of the time
(Connection
Deferred) even though the address is really okay.
As of today, I've removed the Connection Deferred criteria from the Daily
Weasel Rule set and this should decrease the number of "false positives"
and unnecessary unsubscribed.
Again, if you get unsubscribed by either of the Email Weasel utilities,
simply go to the subscription page and resubscribe:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: control cables
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:55:05 -0400
Anybody here? Has anyone rigged their control cables yet? I'm wondering
if I
can just trust the lengths listed in the instructions and bring
everything to
a cable guy who has a Nicopress tool. I rigged the ailerons with 1/8"
rope to
measure the length and it came out the same as the instructions. I don't
have
the tail on right now and can't fit it on in my garage so I'm tempted to
gamble
instead of mounting the tail temporarily just to measure the cable
lengths.
Anybody else building? Any status?
Gary K.
Pelican PL #640 w/Stratus EA-81 Subaru
95% done
Panel complete, starting final rigging
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From: John Piepers
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: control cables
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:16:02 +0200
Hi Gary,
Yes I'm still here and building, but I'm not up to the control cables
yet.
My fuselage is 99,9% ready for the painter, still need to build the right
wing.
Hopefully this will be ready this year so I can bring the alu parts to
the
painter and be on my way assembling this baby
John
pelican 684
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Gary K [mailto:flyink(at)efortress.com]
Verzonden: donderdag 3 oktober 2002 4:55
Aan: Pelican List
Onderwerp: Pelican-List: control cables
Anybody here? Has anyone rigged their control cables yet? I'm wondering
if
I can just trust the lengths listed in the instructions and bring
everything
to a cable guy who has a Nicopress tool. I rigged the ailerons with 1/8"
rope to measure the length and it came out the same as the instructions.
I
don't have the tail on right now and can't fit it on in my garage so I'm
tempted to gamble instead of mounting the tail temporarily just to
measure
the cable lengths.
Anybody else building? Any status?
Gary K.
Pelican PL #640 w/Stratus EA-81 Subaru
95% done
Panel complete, starting final rigging
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:51:01 -0400
From: "Richard V. Reynolds"
czech-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, ez-
list(at)matronics.com,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com,
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-
list(at)matronics.com,
pelican-list(at)matronics.com, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-
list(at)matronics.com,
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, sonerai-
list(at)matronics.com,
tailwind-list(at)matronics.com, ultralight-list(at)matronics.com,
warbird-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pelican-List: EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
Saturday, October 19, 2002, Hampton Roads Exec (PVG), Virginia, 9AM till
7PM
Hampton Roads Exec (PVG) is 27nm SW of Norfolk, Virginia (253 radial
?ORF)
AWOS 118.375
CTAF 123.0
The weather will be a perfect Virginia fall day!
Aircraft parking is off taxiway between Rwy 23 and T-Hangars East of
Airport Terminal
Schedule of Events
Fly-In Begins 9AM
Food all Day 10AM ? 3PM
Poker Run (Walk Around Field)
Project Visits on Field
Aircraft Judging 11AM ? 3PM, All Categories, Antiques, Classics,
Homebuilts, Warbirds
Social Hour 4PM
Dinner 5PM ? 7PM, BBQ Sandwiches, Chicken, Drinks
Local motels/hotels are available
For More Information
Frank Toy 757-460-3680
ftoy(at)att.net
Richard Reynolds 757-627-8743
rvreynolds(at)macs.net
EAA Chapter 339
http://home.earthlink.net/~avyator/
Hampton Roads Exec Airport
http://www.hamptonroadsexecutiveairport.com/index.html
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: cables
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:10:48 -0400
Thanks John. Do you have any contact info for Mike Craven? I remember
he had
problems with the rudder cable length. My email to him bounces.
Gary K.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:00:33 -0400
From: macleod(at)eagle.ca (mike macleod)
Subject: Pelican-List: Control Cables
Hi Gary:
I made all my cables up to the last nicopress which I did once the cables
were on the plane. However, the cable lengths were almost exactly
(within
1/8") of the lengths in the instructions. I think you can be reasonably
sure that you can trust the manual for the lengths.
My tail, fuselage and all the fiberglass parts are at the painters, the
wings go next week. I'll do the final assembly at the airport once the
painting is complete (about 2 weeks). I've had the engine (Rotax 912S) on
and off 3 times, the wings on and off 3 times, the tail on and off 5
times
(I think I will be able to do the final assembly in my sleep).
Mike
Pelican PL #694
92% (I haven't completed the panel yet, not sure how much work is
involved)
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From: John Piepers
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: cables
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:15:01 +0200
Gary,
The only address I have from Mike is: mjcraven(at)bizonline.co.uk
Hopefully this works for you
John
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Gary K [mailto:flyink(at)efortress.com]
Verzonden: donderdag 3 oktober 2002 23:11
Aan: Pelican List
Onderwerp: Pelican-List: cables
Thanks John. Do you have any contact info for Mike Craven? I remember
he
had problems with the rudder cable length. My email to him bounces.
Gary K.
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: cables
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:12:15 -0400
Thanks John but that's the address that I had too. It bounces. Oh well,
I'll do like the instructions say and mount my tail and crimp only one
side
then measure to be sure. I just put my doors on so I could leave it
outside
for a few days. I wish I had a bigger garage!
Keep in touch. Any pictures of your progress? I take a lot of pictures
along the way, I've got to get a website together.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Piepers"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: cables
>
> Gary,
>
> The only address I have from Mike is: mjcraven(at)bizonline.co.uk
> Hopefully this works for you
>
> John
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Gary K [mailto:flyink(at)efortress.com]
> Verzonden: donderdag 3 oktober 2002 23:11
> Aan: Pelican List
> Onderwerp: Pelican-List: cables
>
>
> Thanks John. Do you have any contact info for Mike Craven? I remember
he
> had problems with the rudder cable length. My email to him bounces.
>
> Gary K.
>
>
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: John Piepers
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: cables
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:26:35 +0200
Hi Gary,
I just finished with the main and nosegear. I installed the wheelpants.
took
the good
part of a day the get these three installed.
It looks more like an airplane now.... haven't got the engine yet so it
sits
on its tail anxiously looking to the skies....
I do have pictures but not electronic, i'm using the plain old fotography
system...
Need to find a scanner.
John
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Gary K [mailto:flyink(at)efortress.com]
Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2002 15:12
Aan: pelican-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Pelican-List: cables
Thanks John but that's the address that I had too. It bounces. Oh well,
I'll do like the instructions say and mount my tail and crimp only one
side
then measure to be sure. I just put my doors on so I could leave it
outside
for a few days. I wish I had a bigger garage!
Keep in touch. Any pictures of your progress? I take a lot of pictures
along the way, I've got to get a website together.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Piepers"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: cables
> -->
>
> Gary,
>
> The only address I have from Mike is: mjcraven(at)bizonline.co.uk
> Hopefully this works for you
>
> John
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Gary K [mailto:flyink(at)efortress.com]
> Verzonden: donderdag 3 oktober 2002 23:11
> Aan: Pelican List
> Onderwerp: Pelican-List: cables
>
>
> Thanks John. Do you have any contact info for Mike Craven? I
> remember he had problems with the rudder cable length. My email to
> him bounces.
>
> Gary K.
>
>
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
From: John Piepers
Subject: Pelican-List: FW: Pelican PL
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:20:12 +0200
Anyone can help this guy??
John
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Wayne LANDEG [mailto:wayne(at)landeg.fslife.co.uk]
Verzonden: maandag 7 oktober 2002 11:08
Aan: j.piepers(at)prevalent.nl
Onderwerp: Pelican PL
Dear Sir
Do you have a pelican PL being built in the UK. I would like to see it.
Wayne
Bericht
Anyone can help this guy??
John
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Wayne LANDEG
[mailto:wayne(at)landeg.fslife.co.uk]
Verzonden: maandag 7 oktober 2002
11:08
Aan:j.piepers(at)prevalent.nl
Onderwerp:
Pelican PL
Dear Sir
Do you have a pelican PL being built in the UK. I
would like to see it.
Wayne
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Control Cables
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:36:17 -0400
Hey Mike, I missed your message the first time around. Thanks for
responding. I can't believe you're moving along that quick, that's
great.
Sounds like a few months for you?
I messed around with my panel way too long, keep it simple like everyone
says!
Thanks for the cable info, that's good to know. The guy is making them
this
week to the instruction lengths so I hope it works.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: Control Cables
>
> Hi Gary:
>
> I made all my cables up to the last nicopress which I did once the
cables
> were on the plane. However, the cable lengths were almost exactly
(within
> 1/8") of the lengths in the instructions. I think you can be
reasonably
> sure that you can trust the manual for the lengths.
>
> My tail, fuselage and all the fiberglass parts are at the painters, the
> wings go next week. I'll do the final assembly at the airport once the
> painting is complete (about 2 weeks). I've had the engine (Rotax 912S)
on
> and off 3 times, the wings on and off 3 times, the tail on and off 5
times
> (I think I will be able to do the final assembly in my sleep).
>
> Mike
> Pelican PL #694
> 92% (I haven't completed the panel yet, not sure how much work is
involved)
>
>
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:35:56 -0400
From: "Richard V. Reynolds"
czech-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, ez-
list(at)matronics.com,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com,
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-
list(at)matronics.com,
pelican-list(at)matronics.com, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-
list(at)matronics.com,
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, sonerai-
list(at)matronics.com,
tailwind-list(at)matronics.com, ultralight-list(at)matronics.com,
warbird-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pelican-List: EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
Saturday, October 19, 2002, Hampton Roads Exec (PVG), Virginia, 9AM till
7PM
Hampton Roads Exec (PVG) is 13.5nm SW of Norfolk, Virginia (253 radial
(ORF)
AWOS 118.375
CTAF 123.0
The weather will really be a perfect Virginia fall day!
Aircraft parking is off taxiway between Rwy 23 and T-Hangars East of
Airport Terminal
Schedule of Events
Fly-In Begins 9AM
Food all Day 10AM - 3PM
Poker Run (Walk Around Field)
Project Visits on Field
Aircraft Judging 11AM - 3PM, All Categories, Antiques, Classics,
Homebuilts, Warbirds
Social Hour 4PM
Dinner 5PM - 7PM, BBQ Sandwiches, Chicken, Drinks
Local motels/hotels are available
For More Information
Frank Toy 757-460-3680
ftoy(at)att.net
Richard Reynolds 757-627-8743
rvreynolds(at)macs.net
EAA Chapter 339
http://home.earthlink.net/~avyator/
Hampton Roads Exec Airport
http://www.hamptonroadsexecutiveairport.com/index.html
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:33:16 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: 2002 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your
Lists...
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser
to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show much traffic the
Lists generated last year alone:
11/01/2001 - 10/31/2002
Web server hits: 8,700,000 (727,000/mo)
Incoming Email Posts: 51,259 (4,271/mo) *
* This number is multiplied by the total number of email addresses
subscribed to the given List. The actual number of email message
processed
is in the 50,000,000 range for last year!!
The new Internet provider, Speakeasy, has been providing extremely fast
and
reliable service over the last year, and this has certainly been a
refreshing change from previous providers!
There were a couple of new features added at the tail-end of last year
including the new List Browse Feature (
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
), and the List Photoshare which have been both very popular. Many
people
have written to say how much they enjoy the on-line browsing capability
of
current week's messages. The 184 new Photoshares (
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ) added over the last year attests to
its acceptance and appreciation in the community as well.
I have upgraded both the email and web server OS systems recently to the
latest - well almost the latest - version of Redhat Linux and Kernel
2.4.19, both of which have been working very well and quite reliably.
What does the future hold? Well, something pretty exciting I'm
hoping... I am currently evaluating a new, commercially available
software
package that runs under Linux and provides a complete web-based Email
List
service akin to what those other guys use. The difference will be that
there won't be any annoying advertisements and popup ads on the Matronics
system!! The system will continue to be dedicated to furthering Lists
activities and not trying to sell you something you don't want. My hope
is
to keep most if not all of the current functionality in place and add the
new software system over the top. Some of the system will be replaced
(like majordomo), but the lists will work much like they do today - only
BETTER! As I mentioned, I am currently in the evaluation stage of this
and
have yet to select a final product. Suffice to say some facelifts are
definitely on the way!
Unlike many of the other "list servers" on the web these days, I have a
strict no-commercial-advertisement policy on the Matronics Lists and
associated List websites. I have been approached by a number of vendors
recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. However,
my
commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment
prevails! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics
List
Service is to provide my members with a commercial-free, safe, and
high-performance system in which to share information, ideas, and
camaraderie.
I recoup my upgrade, maintenance, and operating costs by having a List
Fund
Raiser once a year during November. During this time, I ask List members
to donate a small amount of money to support the continued operation of
the
Lists over the upcoming year. Contributions in the $20, $30, and $50
range
are common. This year I have completely revamped the Contribution
website,
and have added the ability to use PayPal to make your Contribution in
addition to the traditional Visa/MC and Personal Check Options. Its
easier
and faster than ever before to make your Contribution!! For those who
are
accustomed to using PayPal to make Internet purchases, will appreciate
the
ease and speed of using this handy method of payment to make their List
Contribution.
The best news this year, however, is that I have a couple of fantastic
Gift
offers to support the List Fund Raiser! Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) will be generously donating a
FREE Jeppesen Flight Bag to anyone making a $50 or more List Contribution
during the Fund Raiser! This is a great bag and something you'll surely
what to get your hands on. Thanks Andy, for this great incentive!!
In addition to the great Flight Bag, I will also be offering a FREE
Matronics List Archive CDROM for a $50 or greater Contribution! This is
a
complete set of archives for all Email Lists currently hosted by
Matronics. The Archives date back to the beginning of the each List. In
the case of the RV-List, for example, this includes archives all the way
back to 1990! That's about 133Mb alone! Also included on the CD is a
copy
of Chip Gibbion's Windows Archive Search Utility and a precompiled
search-index for each archive on the CD.
Better yet?! You can get BOTH the Flight Bag AND the Archive CD for a
Contribution of $75 or more which is actually LESS than the combined
retail
price on the two items!!! How can you go wrong? Get some great stuff
AND
support your Lists at the same time!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the
List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support
from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR support!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who supports the
List this year. Your generosity contributes directly to the quality of
the
experience here.
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or
with
a Personal Check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as additional
information on the various methods of payment.
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Again, I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this
year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:02:28 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: New List Digest Feature!! [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
I've added a new feature to the Digest format of the Lists tonight. At
the
top of each digest you will find a new Index Listing of all of the
messages
found within that Digest including the Message Number, Subject, Poster,
and
Time of Day posted.
I've also added a "Message Number" header to each message within the
Digest
so that its easy to find 'just the message' you were looking for!
Sorry for the double posting of the digests tonight - the first time I
didn't quite have the code right and a few "bogus" entries made it into
the
Index. I went ahead and reposted the Digest so that everyone could see
how
the Index-to-Message mapping really worked.
Special 'thanks' to Gary Hall for not only suggesting a Digest Index, but
also supplying a few samples on how it might look. Gary, I think you'll
be
quite pleased with the format!
Don't forget that were right in the middle of this year's List Fund
Raiser
and if you haven't already made your Contribution, you own it to yourself
to check out the great free Gifts that are available this year with your
qualifying Contribution.
The Lists are operated completely though the support of it members, and
so
its up to YOU to get that credit card out and make that $20, $30, or $50
show of support for the continued operation of the Lists.
Won't you take a couple of minutes and make a quick Contribution on the
all
new, streamlined List Support web site? I've also added a
Payment-through-PayPal option this year, and this is proving a very
popular
method of payment. Don't forget to check out the great free gifts you
can
get with a qualifying Contribution this year. I can't believe how
popular
they've been this year! Hurry and get your's today and support the Lists
at the same time!
Here's the SSL Secure URL for making your Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:17:15 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying...
Dear Listers,
First, I'd like say *thank you* to everyone that's already made a
Contribution to this year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you! If you haven't
already made a Contribution, won't you take a movement and show your
support for these valuable services? Since there's no advertising or
other
forms of direct commercialism on the forums to support the Lists, its
soley
YOUR GENEROSITY that keeps them running!!
Won't please take a minute and make a Contribution via the SSL secure web
site via Credit Card, Paypal, or personal check. Here's the URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
This year, I've been getting some *really* nice comments from
Contributors
and I thought I'd pass along a few of them below. What does the List
mean
to *you*?
Thank you for your support!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
_________________ What your fellow Listers are saying...
_________________
...great service!!
Greg B.
They have been a great assistance to me in building my RV-8.
Kevin H.
...very much appreciated.
Donald M.
Great site...
Angus F.
...invaluable resource.
Ronald C
[The List] has played a big part in continuing my project at
those times when I got stuck for some reason.
Jeff D.
Although I am only a reader, I find the list very helpful.
Oswaldo F.
The lists are a fantastic resource and are helping me very much...
Kenyon B.
The list is part of my life.
Ron C.
The CD will free up some hard disk space on my personal PC.
Jeff D.
...unbelievably useful.
Dan O.
...dependable and valued source of builder information.
Jerry C.
My daily lifeline!
Owen B.
...frequently get questions answered on the List.
Billy W.
Don't know how any first-time builder could get by without the lists.
Rick R.
...great source of information and motivation.
Jef V.
Super resource!
David P.
The information presented is very helpful to the building process.
James B.
Wonderful Service!
Wendell D.
The lists are great!
F. Robert M.
...very valuable to this builder.
William C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:12:30 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser Continues...
Marie Murillo
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder this morning that we're well into this year's Email
List Fund Raiser. Response has been great so far and there has been a
lot
of interest in the Gift options. Speaking of those Gifts, I received a
sample of the Jeppesen Flight Bag from Andy Gold of the Builder's
Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com this weekend, and let me just say that this
is
an extremely fine quality unit. Its very light, folds down into a very
small form for storage, and will hold a whole lot of your "pilot
stuff"! For a mere $50 List Contribution, one of these very nice bags
could be yours! You'll be the envy of all your friends.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the these valuable Email
List Services? Please remember that its YOUR generosity that entirely
supports the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists. That's it -
no
ads, no banners - just good clean fun; that is, with your support of
course!
Please take a moment and make a generous Contribution today. It only
takes
a minute using the newly redesigned Contribution Web Site where you can
use
either a Credit Card, PayPal, or a Personal Check to make your donation.
The URL for the SSL Secure Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
And I'd like to say a special "thank you!" to everyone one who has made
Contribution so far this year!! I really appreciate your generosity!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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From: "Terry Ladouceur"
Subject: Pelican-List: Pelican Club for Sale
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:08:21 -0500
I have a 1987 Pelican Club tail dragger configuration for sale. Currently
located at the Barrie Springwater Airport (CNA3), Barrie Ontario Canada.
Total Air Frame hours Less than 400 hours (392 right now)
Rotax 582 Engine Time Less than 50 hours (42 right now)
Ivo Prop newly installed 14 hours ago
New wheel brakes installed
New VSI installed
Standard instrument panel (RPM, Temp, Turn/Bank Indicator, Altimeter, Air
Speed, EGT, Hobbs time meter)
2 Place Intercom
External VHF Antenna
STS Hand Held AV7600 Transceiver (hooks up to Intercom, two PTTs included
but are not wired into the Intercom)
One Peltor Head Set brand new
2 New seats
Was originally built on floats (not on floats now)
Has an extra 5 gallon wing tank with newly installed on/off valve on the
dash for easy access
No Damage History
Price: Negotiable..... Make me an offer, not looking to give it away but
will consider all offers
This aircraft flies beautifully. Lots of fun. Reason for selling is I am
moving up to a faster aircraft. Although I do not have the nose gear,
this
plane can be converted to a Tri-gear configuration. Registered as an
Basic
Ultralight in Canada. I have photos of the aircraft on Floats if you
would
like to see it, email me at tladouce(at)canthaisoftware.com.
Terry Ladouceur, MCT, MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA, CNA, A+
Can-Thai Software Solutions Incorporated
605 Manly Street
Midland, Ontario
Canada L4R 3G4
1-705-527-1717
www.canthaisoftware.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:07:25 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Said What...?
Dear Listers,
Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about
the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! I've
included more of the great comments since the last WLAS. Thank you to
everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and
support!!
Have a look at some of your fellow members thoughts below and decide if
the
Lists mean at least that much to you or perhaps even more...
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution to support these
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, high-performance List
services? Its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that
enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect of the
Matronics Lists.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
=====================================================================
=================== What Listers Are Saying - II ====================
=====================================================================
I check this List 4 to 5 times a day...
-Bruce B.
These are without a doubt among the best managed
Lists to which I subscribe.
-Terry W.
Thank you for providing such a wonderful service.
-Roy W.
...fine service!
-Christopher A.
Best list on the Internet!
-Geroge A.
Great list with a host of features.
-David A.
Having built part of a kit... ...I know exactly how
much this list means to me and others.
-Curtis H.
As always... you've got a real cool & very useful
service going...
-Chuck R.
I shudder to think of the trouble I would have had
getting this project airborne without this list!
-Grant C.
...enjoy everyone's input.
-Doug P.
I read the [the List] every day...
-Ronald S.
Whenever I feel like not building on my day
off....I open my mail and the [the List] gets me
pumped and ready to hit it!
-Tom E.
The Digest Message subject list is an excellent
addition.
-Kevin S.
Certainly the [the List] has been a valuable source
for building support and advice, but there's another
benefit,... the wonderful friends that we meet and
keep for years and years!
-Fred H.
What a great forum to exchange ideas and info.
-Terry L.
The List is my daily RV fix.
-Neil H.
I always received comments and suggestions when
I requested them.
-Thomas G.
Best resource a builder could ever have. A daily
must!
-Robert C.
Thanks for your gift - these web sites!
-Tom P.
...great info.
-Richard W.
The List empowers all RV builders to achieve success...
-Mark G.
I've been reading the postings for a month now and
decided to take the plunge as a result of the
helpfulness and spirit of cooperation I observed.
-Tim P.
...invaluable service.
-Ford F.
I check in at least twice daily for my e-mail "Fix".
-John S.
Its worth every penny of my contribution.
-Paul M.
Wonderful web site and it keeps getting better.
-Jim H.
A valuable list which has certainly helped me.
-Andrew G.
...the List helps so many.
-Don J.
I really appreciate the site and find it interesting
to speak to people who are into this type of aircraft.
-Larry M.
This is a great recreation for me.
-Larry B.
[The List] keeps me up to date and provides a fantastic
resource for information.
-Terry F.
Lists are a great resource!
-Daniel S.
...great service and professional administration of
the Lists.
-Chris R.
I really appreciate the List.
-Edward O.
Worth every penny, and then some!
-Kenyon B.
...great service.
-Ralph H.
Your unselfish contribution to the experimental
aircraft movement is very much appreciated!
-Alex M.
Great help on the Aeroelectric list.
-Bruce B.
It helps on a daily basis.
-Tim G.
Thanks for providing this outstanding service to us!
-Michel T.
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Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:59:25 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: LOC Coming Soon...
Dear Listers,
This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll
be
posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a
directory of everyone's name that made a Contribution during this year's
List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of publicly thanking everyone that
so
generously made a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these Lists.
Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC! Your friends will be checking no doubt to see if YOU make your
Contribution because THEY did! :-)
Support Contribution Info -
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:12:46 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each
Year?
Dear Listers,
I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund
Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List
Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial
equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs.
From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my
List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a
few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a
Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps
with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast
Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding
the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use
is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses. I am currently working on the additional ability to post and/or
reply directly from the List Browse interface. More on this upcoming
feature in the next week or so.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who
where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 9,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
50,000,000 (yes, that 50 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value
in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing
and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it
shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List
Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 02:02:18 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Value?
Dear Listers,
We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of
the
List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email
everyday
(and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably
getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each
year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or
even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to
you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a
well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come
to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and
support
YOUR Lists.
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made
possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:45:50 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status...
Dear Listers,
A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of
their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order
and I thought I detail where we're at...
Flight Bag Requests
-------------------
On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift
requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to
11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight
bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com
) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in
about 2 weeks.
By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and
very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will
hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff,
they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page
for details on how to get one of your own!!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and
I
mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office,
worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East
Coast,
but indicated it would likely take a lot less time.
Archive CDROM Requests
----------------------
The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and
should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media
Rate
in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be
up
to November 30th.
Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests
-------------------------------------
These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are
complete
as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and
the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded
envelope!
Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing
these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone
way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this
year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his
web
site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some
very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly
appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a
great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this
year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying
Contribution!!!
List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:49:18 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: All New List FAQs!
Dear Listers,
I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)
today
and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of
time
today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the
many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the
little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're
a
seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what
you might discover.
At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link
item
called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it
and
print it out or read it online.
Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List
of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure
your
name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the
continued operation of these List Services!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:48:33 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: WLAS
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors.
I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really
nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -----------------------
--
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
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I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
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Look forward to the list each and every day.
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I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
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Terry D
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Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
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Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
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difficult to get all the information that I need
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[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
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Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
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from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
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This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:30:33 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser!
[Please Read]
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's
List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a
generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you
can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note
-
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser
and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your
name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services.
As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution
today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:40:23 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?"
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available
for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you
and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those
statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable
aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your
List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR
NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 02:03:24 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Report...
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on
previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts
would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:54:01 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: All New List Digest Format!!
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with
a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the
message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:03:33 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: New, NEW List Digest Format...
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about
the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not...
Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any
longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest
email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of
interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found
here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the
given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there
will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version
were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included
hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's
Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing
the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically
wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry
to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: cables
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:00:58 -0500
Hello,
I'm wondering how to fit the seat belt spacer inside the console
without
hitting any control cables. It has to be pretty high to clear all of the
cables, or if placed in the middle of the seat belt pads, the spacer
comes
out right in between the rudder cables and the upper elevator cable but
there is barely enough room. Does this sound right? Does anyone have
the
cables tensioned and not rubbing on the spacer at all?
Thanks, Gary K.
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:56:40 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: cables
Gary:
I haven't put the seat belt spacer in with the cables tightened yet. I
will try to do it tomorrow (Tues) and let you know how I make out.
One problem that I do have is that the flap ratchet catches on the upper
elevator cable when I try to lower the flap lever. I am going to switch
the position of the cable in the pulleys behind the seat and hope that
works.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:23:51 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Pelican-List: More Cables
Gary:
I didn't get to the elevator cables today. I will be going back to the
airport on Friday so I will try again then.
engine on (but not run), prop fit (but not on), final inspection
requested (but not ready).
Mike
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: More Cables
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:06:03 -0500
Thanks for checking Mike. Glad things are going well, sounds like you
are
very close. What other tidbits do you have left? The engine wiring is
complete? Cowling fitted? Any pictures?
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: More Cables
>
> Gary:
>
> I didn't get to the elevator cables today. I will be going back to the
> airport on Friday so I will try again then.
>
> engine on (but not run), prop fit (but not on), final inspection
> requested (but not ready).
>
> Mike
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:53:56 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Pelican-List: Cables
Gary:
Today I put in the seat belt spacer, tightened the elevator cables, and
put the springs back on the rudder pedals. With the stick in the
neutral position there was about 3/16 of an inch clearance for the upper
elevator cable and about 3/8 inch for the rudder cables. (the spacer was
above the rudder cables and below the elevator cable). With the stick
in the forward position (down) the elevator cable was about 1/8 inch
above the spacer. The spacer is located as per the instructions in the
manual.
Yes, the engine wiring (and all other wiring) is complete, the cowling
is fitted (top on tomorrow), the decals went on the sides and tail today
(I couldn't make up my mind re: design so I went for decals rather than
paint - easier to change). I hope to run the engine late next week.
Lots of pictures - anything you would like to see?
How is the Subaru working out? When do you think you will be flying?
Mike
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Cables
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:25:33 -0500
Thanks a lot Mike, I'll have to figure out why mine are so close.
I'd love to see pictures of the whole plane. You're graphics, panel,
interior. How did you route wires thru the baggage area? I'd like them
to
be enclosed in the cable cover so I made a support inside so they would
stay
well above the control cables. I never noticed how they did it on the
factory planes.
Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: Cables
>
> Gary:
>
> Today I put in the seat belt spacer, tightened the elevator cables, and
> put the springs back on the rudder pedals. With the stick in the
> neutral position there was about 3/16 of an inch clearance for the
upper
> elevator cable and about 3/8 inch for the rudder cables. (the spacer
was
> above the rudder cables and below the elevator cable). With the stick
> in the forward position (down) the elevator cable was about 1/8 inch
> above the spacer. The spacer is located as per the instructions in
the
> manual.
>
> Yes, the engine wiring (and all other wiring) is complete, the cowling
> is fitted (top on tomorrow), the decals went on the sides and tail
today
> (I couldn't make up my mind re: design so I went for decals rather than
> paint - easier to change). I hope to run the engine late next week.
>
> Lots of pictures - anything you would like to see?
>
> How is the Subaru working out? When do you think you will be flying?
>
> Mike
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:52:29 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Cables
Gary:
I will send photos directly to you on Monday. I haven't taken one of
the plane with the decals on, so I will take that one on Monday and send
it with one of the panel and interior. The hangar where I am doing the
final assembly is not open on weekends.
I routed the cables as follows:
- Left side
All wires went around the door frame (inside
the frame)
- radio antenna (antenna is internal just behind the
left window)
- an aux power source on the back of the pilot seat
- the airframe ground (I ran a dedicated ground from
the tail to a junction box behind the passenger seat
where it connects with ground lines from the wings
and a connection to the engine). This is in addition
to the battery negative lines (which are not connected
to the frame at any location)
- Right side - all wires went around the door frame (inside the frame)
The following pass across the top of the right side to
the baggage partition:
- ELT 'phone cord' connection (ELT is on floor behind
baggage partition)
- transponder antenna wire (antenna is inside 2/3 of the way
to the tail)
- power and signal lines to the electric trim
The following follow the frame down to the floor of
the baggage compartment:
- power for strobe (unit is attached on the back of the
passenger seat)
- an aux power source behind the passenger seat
I also made supports for the inside of the cable cover but didn't think
of running the wires through it. I didn't notice how they did it on the
factory planes either. I have pictures of one of the factory planes and
I can't see any wires so they must have done what you did and put the
wires inside the cable cover.
Mike
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Subject: Pelican-List: test
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:34:18 -0500
From: "Peter Zutrauen"
Test - sorry
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Subject: RE: Pelican-List: test
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:45:27 -0500
From: "Peter Zutrauen"
test
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Subject: RE: Pelican-List: test
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:47:30 -0500
From: "Peter Zutrauen"
Test - sorry
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Subject: RE: Pelican-List: test
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:51:28 -0500
From: "Peter Zutrauen"
last test - sorry
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From: "Terry Ladouceur"
Subject: Pelican-List: Pelican Parts
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:54:56 -0500
I was wondering if there is anyone on this list that may have a partial
Pelican Project or some Pelican Parts that they are looking to get rid
of?
Specifically looking for Wings/Landing Gear (Nose Wheel) and/or Tail
Section. Thanks. TTYL
Terry Ladouceur, MCT, MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA, CNA, A+
Can-Thai Software Solutions Incorporated
605 Manly Street
Midland, Ontario
Canada L4R 3G4
1-705-527-1717
www.canthaisoftware.com
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From: John Piepers
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: Pelican Parts
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:46:32 +0100
Dear Terry,
What a coincidence, i'm looking to get rid of my complete pelican
kit. its about 70% finished, 1 wing needs building, composite parts
are primed and ready for the paintjob, there's no engine no instruments
Let me know if you or anyone else is interested.
Regards,
John Piepers
Pelican PL 684
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Terry Ladouceur [mailto:tladouce(at)canthaisoftware.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 21 februari 2003 19:55
Aan: pelican-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Pelican-List: Pelican Parts
-->
I was wondering if there is anyone on this list that may have a partial
Pelican Project or some Pelican Parts that they are looking to get rid
of?
Specifically looking for Wings/Landing Gear (Nose Wheel) and/or Tail
Section. Thanks. TTYL Terry Ladouceur, MCT, MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA, CNA, A+
Can-Thai Software Solutions Incorporated 605 Manly Street Midland,
Ontario
Canada L4R 3G4 1-705-527-1717 www.canthaisoftware.com
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
Share: Share photos & files with other List members.
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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:57:51 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement...
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:46:48 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY...
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing
SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news,
I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This
past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not
the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during
the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The
URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:23:09 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED!
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the
1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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From: "bill mosley"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read]
[Monthly Posting]
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:16:31 -0700
Get a life. Who do you think reads all these rules?
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From:
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Application
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:38:10 --0400
Please see the attached zip file for details.
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From:
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Movie
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:09:42 --0600
Please see the attached zip file for details.
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: members?
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:18:23 -0400
Hello,
I'm proud to have one of the best kitplanes there is, nobody ever has
any
questions or problems. Or maybe there's nobody here? This is the
quietest
list I ever saw. Could we get an idea who's here? How many flying? How
many building? How many interested in buying?
I'm still building, doing final assembly. I got sidetracked building a
hangar for the last 6 months. That's done so the plane got moved there
and
the wings and tail were bolted on in very short time. It's amazing how
simple it is to put all the big pieces together. I already had all of
the
control cables rigged in the fuselage so they connected up perfectly and
the
flaps and ailerons were already fit so that was simple too.
I haven't had much luck with insurance - no hull available but got
liability. Avemco won't do hull (Pelican is on "B" list because not many
flying) and Falcon won't insure mine because I have a subaru. Also tried
SkySmith and 3 or 4 others.
I just built a jig to support the fuselage because I have to crawl back
there again, for the third or fourth time. Lesson learned - line up all
the
ducks and shoot them down with one shot. Horizontal stab brackets,
vertical
fin bracket, ground wire and trim cables, and tail skid bolts should all
be
done in one crawling. Speaking of tail ground - any ideas on grounding
all
tail surfaces? The ground wire only gets the vertical fin, the stab,
elev
and rud are floating. I assume all should be tied together? Any ideas
on
the best way?
Door catches won't stay on the door - tried double stick tape and
silicone. The plate that mounts on the wing is fine because I did as
Lorraine suggested and riveted the small plate to a larger aluminum plate
and used double sided tape. The part that goes on the door is smaller
and
there is less flat surface area on the door to adhere to so it doesn't
hold
up well. I could thru-bolt it but then I'd have little bolts sticking
out
inside and it should be cleaner than that. Very minor stuff and haven't
asked Pierre/Lorraine what the trick is (and I'm sure there's a trick).
Fiddling with rudder pedal springs and steering, very close to going
taildragger to eliminate all the fuss. Parts I got are different than
instructions and both are different than pictures of factory plane.
Again,
minor stuff - it's only the springs and spring brackets for the pedals
which
is pretty simple. I saw the factory plane has two springs for each
pedal, I
only got one. I bought more springs of various lengths and will find the
right combination of pedal position (vertical), centering strength and
steering feel. I made another jack/jig to take the weight off the front
wheel so I can play with steering.
Other than that, attaching wing fuel lines and wires and assorted
fairings. Final assembly is going very smooth overall. I already made a
list of tasks remaining and tests to be done - minimum usable fuel, fuel
gauge calibration, fuel flow, etc. Still waiting to borrow scales, I'm
expecting some big numbers and some removal of luxury items. Just the
subaru alone is 50 lbs heavier. Hope this thing isn't too heavy. I
guess
an average for a PL is 800lbs with a range of maybe 750-850? I'm hoping
for
850 or less, we'll see soon.
Posted my panel pictures on the Yahoo airsoob site (still too lazy to
make
my own website) and also one with the wings on (finally!).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airsoob/files/Gary%20K%27s%20EA-
81%20Pelican/
Hope to hear from other builders,
Gary K.
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From: "bill mosley"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: members?
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:34:38 -0700
Gary:
On May 31, my husband, William Mosley died when his Kitfox crashed into a
mountain
in Central Arizona. In 1996 he purchased a Pelican fuselage package
with
landing gear. He worked on it a couple of years on and off, finally
discouraged
with the company. He moved onto building an RV 6 which he had sold last
fall
to purchase the Kitfox. He had a Taylorcraft L4 restoration project I
just
sold at Oshkosh, an Avid Champ that has not flown, and the Pelican
fuselage.
I have been wondering how to sell the Pelican and today your e-mail
arrives.
I'm asking for input on value and how I might list it on the Pelican-
list.
It has been in storage since 1997 when we moved to Rimrock, Arizona,
about an hour
and a half north of Phoenix. I can take pictures when needed.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Joy Mosley
mosley(at)sedona.net
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From: "bill mosley"
Subject: Pelican-List: Pelican fuselage
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:21:43 -0700
Hello:
On May 31, my husband, William Mosley died when his Kitfox crashed into a
mountain
in Central Arizona. In 1996 he purchased a Pelican fuselage package
with
landing gear. He worked on it a couple of years on and off, finally
discouraged
with the company. He moved onto building an RV 6 which he had sold last
fall
to purchase the Kitfox. He had a Taylorcraft L4 restoration project I
just
sold at Oshkosh, an Avid Champ that has not flown, and the Pelican
fuselage.
I have been wondering how to sell the Pelican fuselage on the gear.
I'm asking for input on value and how and where to list it. It has been
in storage
since 1997 when we moved to Rimrock, Arizona, about an hour and a half
north
of Phoenix. I can take pictures when needed.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Joy Mosley
mosley(at)sedona.net
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:54:16 -0400
From: mike macleod
Subject: Pelican-List: Members?
Hi Gary:
Glad to see you are near the end of the construction phase. I think one
reason for the lack of action on the list is that Lorraine and Pierre
seem to be able to answer any questions very quickly so help from other
builders is not needed.
I have 55 hours on my plane so far and am loving every minute of it,
first flight was in May.
I had the same experience, the large pieces went together very easily
(much easier than my ultralight). I was lucky and got hull insurance
from a company in Toronto, it is fairly expensive so I plan to keep it
on for a few years and then just go with the liability (once any bugs
are sorted out).
I also built a jig for fuselage support although Lorraine suggested that
I could just rest the tail skid on a support and that would be good
enough.
I ran a ground line to a junction box that I installed on the flat
section of the fuselage under the fin. From there I ran wires to the
fin, horizontal stab, rudder and elevator.
For the door catches I recessed them into the frame and attached with 2
or 3 screws. I had one hell of a time getting the holes for the rods in
the right position and ended up going back to Lorraine for more plates,
it looks ok now (practice makes perfect!).
My kit included 2 springs for the each pedal and 2 brackets (4 in total)
to hold them, but I only used one bracket per pedal in what looked like
the best arrangement (not the same as the instructions). I saw a
Pelican the other day that had the nosegear steering rods that went
through the firewall (as opposed to the ones that extend below the
cabin). Make sure you aren't trying to install one configuration with
the parts for the other.
One problem I have now is that on takeoff there is so much P factor that
the rudder is kept deflected and this also keeps the nosegear from
falling into the slot. It takes some significant opposite rudder
deflection to get the thing to drop (sometimes I have to do it 2 or 3
times before it will drop, believe me some passengers get quite antsy as
i do this).
My plane weighed 830 lbs and I registered it for 1350. I picked the
1350 for 2 reasons; one is that with full fuel, 2 passengers and 50 lbs
of baggage it will still weigh less that the 1350. The second reason is
that here in Canada there is an annual fee payable to NavCanada (who
provide the flight service and weather information, and run some of the
airports). The fee is for planes that weigh more than 1360 lbs, so to
save myself the hassle I went for 1350 rather than the official 1400
lbs.
One thing I found is that my plane is tail heavy (restricts the baggage
capacity to 50 lbs when carrying 2 people plus full fuel) so you may be
better off with the heavier engine. You can expect rocket like
takeoffs, I have had several tower controllers comment on the climb
rate as I took off. Grass field takeoffs uphill can be done solo in
less than 300 ft. I haven't got my landing technique perfected yet so
the plane tends to float 3 feet over the runway for about 300 ft (even
at 40 degrees of flap) before coming down.
Mike
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Members?
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0400
Mike,
Glad to hear that you're enjoying it and thanks for all the tips. Good
stuff, I should post more often. You're right, factory response has been
great and things go together well. Looking forward to making some trips
when I'm done, hopefully I'll be up there visiting soon.
Fly safe, Gary K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: Members?
>
> Hi Gary:
>
> Glad to see you are near the end of the construction phase. I think
one
> reason for the lack of action on the list is that Lorraine and Pierre
> seem to be able to answer any questions very quickly so help from other
> builders is not needed.
>
> I have 55 hours on my plane so far and am loving every minute of it,
> first flight was in May.
>
> I had the same experience, the large pieces went together very easily
> (much easier than my ultralight). I was lucky and got hull insurance
> from a company in Toronto, it is fairly expensive so I plan to keep it
> on for a few years and then just go with the liability (once any bugs
> are sorted out).
>
> I also built a jig for fuselage support although Lorraine suggested
that
> I could just rest the tail skid on a support and that would be good
> enough.
>
> I ran a ground line to a junction box that I installed on the flat
> section of the fuselage under the fin. From there I ran wires to the
> fin, horizontal stab, rudder and elevator.
>
> For the door catches I recessed them into the frame and attached with 2
> or 3 screws. I had one hell of a time getting the holes for the rods
in
> the right position and ended up going back to Lorraine for more plates,
> it looks ok now (practice makes perfect!).
>
> My kit included 2 springs for the each pedal and 2 brackets (4 in
total)
> to hold them, but I only used one bracket per pedal in what looked like
> the best arrangement (not the same as the instructions). I saw a
> Pelican the other day that had the nosegear steering rods that went
> through the firewall (as opposed to the ones that extend below the
> cabin). Make sure you aren't trying to install one configuration with
> the parts for the other.
>
> One problem I have now is that on takeoff there is so much P factor
that
> the rudder is kept deflected and this also keeps the nosegear from
> falling into the slot. It takes some significant opposite rudder
> deflection to get the thing to drop (sometimes I have to do it 2 or 3
> times before it will drop, believe me some passengers get quite antsy
as
> i do this).
>
> My plane weighed 830 lbs and I registered it for 1350. I picked the
> 1350 for 2 reasons; one is that with full fuel, 2 passengers and 50 lbs
> of baggage it will still weigh less that the 1350. The second reason
is
> that here in Canada there is an annual fee payable to NavCanada (who
> provide the flight service and weather information, and run some of the
> airports). The fee is for planes that weigh more than 1360 lbs, so to
> save myself the hassle I went for 1350 rather than the official 1400
> lbs.
>
> One thing I found is that my plane is tail heavy (restricts the baggage
> capacity to 50 lbs when carrying 2 people plus full fuel) so you may be
> better off with the heavier engine. You can expect rocket like
> takeoffs, I have had several tower controllers comment on the climb
> rate as I took off. Grass field takeoffs uphill can be done solo in
> less than 300 ft. I haven't got my landing technique perfected yet so
> the plane tends to float 3 feet over the runway for about 300 ft (even
> at 40 degrees of flap) before coming down.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:00:36 -0400
From: ROLANDOGL(at)aol.com
Subject: Pelican-List: Greetings from Mexico
Hello everyone, I just got in the list and hope to be active for a long
time.
My name is Rolando Gonzlez and I am in the city of Monterrey Mexico, I
own 50% of a brand new Pelican Sport 600, right now we are in the part of
installing the engine and instruments you can check our progress at
www.geocities.com/youthfootball2003/bienvenidos_pilotos this is a
webpage that I maintain for our flying club in Monterrey, yes it is in
spanish but it is loaded with many pictures and if you just want to see
the building pictures click in the picture that says CONSTRUCCION.
I will also add later a section of our anual fligths to exotic Mexican
places (
like Monterrey-Can cun or Monterrey-La Baja )
Hope you like it and keep in touch !
Rolando.
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From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:39:00 -0700
Subject: Pelican-List: New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At
Matronics...
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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From: RiteAngle3(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:14:44 EDT
Subject: Pelican-List: % RiteAngle AOA owners
Hello Pelican aircraft builders. I believe I have a few customers out
there
in your ranks. If you are building an aircraft or flying your aircraft
with
the RiteAngle AOA system I would appreciate personal photos of
installation and
comments, positive or negative sent to me off list. Please state model
of
aircraft, hours flown with RiteAngle AOA system and any suggestions.
Those who have questions re AOA please also contact me off list. I don't
want to use the list unless questions are asked that would apply to all.
address for contact: riteangle3(at)aol.com
There are several hundred RiteAngle systems out there and many owners
have
changed e-mail addresses.
Thanks,
Elbie
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know
If not let me know!
EM aviation, LLC
Elbie Mendenhall
President
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
Phone & Fax 360-260-0772
www.RiteAngle.com
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:38:58 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting
Problems
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed
great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are
being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some
reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming
email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you
may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors
you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:28:29 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!!
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs
to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily
be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the
bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email
address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among
other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat
window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming
soon...
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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:16:41 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your
Lists...
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser
to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320
SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the
unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair
amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and
associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been
able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support
the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so
popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again
this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy,
for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the
List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support
from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or
with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of
long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:23:18 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free
Gifts?
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome
gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift
at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously
supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:15:00 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: WLAS...
Dear Listers,
Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists
in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to
everyone
that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and
support!!
If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a
moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your
direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these
valuable services you've come to expect.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: final adjustments
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:23:09 -0500
Hello Mike and anybody else here. I'm curious what empty weights other
builders have, and what tire pressure and control surface deflections you
have. My are all close to the drawings but sometimes off by a couple
degrees. I'm wondering how much it might matter. Also, for tricycle -
what
is the nose down attitude on the ground?
Thanks, Gary
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:39:40 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: final adjustments
Gary:
1. My weights were as follows:
- totally empty (no fuel, oil or antifreeze) - 784
lbs
- empty weight + oil + antifreeze - 806
lbs
- empty weight + oil + antifreeze + residual fuel -
830 lbs
2. tire pressure - never measured - just pumped them up until they looked
ok
3. Control surface deflections:
flaps - max deflection about 42 degrees
ailerons - left - down -15.5 degrees
- up - 20 degrees
- right - down - 14.5 degrees
- up - 21 degrees
the aileron travel is restricted by the mass balances hitting the wing
skins.
(That is until I put a stop on the sticks at full deflection - now the
mass
balance hits the wing and the stick hits the stop at the same time)
elevators - down - 20.5 degrees
- up - 28 degrees
the down elevator is restricted by my stick stop which keeps the max
fwd
travel of the stick to about 1.5 inches from the panel.
trim - down - 23 degrees
- up - 24 degrees
rudder - right/left - 18/18 degrees
I flew up to Gatineau last week. Lorraine, Jean-Rene and Pierre all
came to
see the plane. Pierre thought that the rudder deflection was a bit on
the low
side. Believe me the 18 degrees will slip the plane just fine (and
really scare
your passengers!), I don't think more is required. As for the other
deflections, I have never had to use more than about 1/2 deflection on
any of
them so they are also just fine.
As an aside, the factory was really busy - shipping planes all over the
world -
something good to see.
4. I believe the nose down attitude depends on the landing gear version
you have
(there are several). On mine the nose gear is about 1 1/2 inches up from
the
slotted ring on the gear support when the plane is on the ground. This
results
in the plane being slightly nose down. I have never actually checked the
angle
but when I weighed the plane I had to put a 2x4 under the nose wheel to
get the
rear fuselage level.
I now have 76 hours on the plane, it flies like a dream.
How close are you to flying? Are you going to do the first flight?
Mike
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: final adjustments
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:28:47 -0500
Wow, great info Mike. Thanks for getting and typing all that. Most of
the
numbers look close to what I have, I'll have to play with the elevator a
bit
though. I have about -21 and +22. My panel sticks out a bit and my
seats
are thick but I can bias the elevator up a little. Like you said, I was
hoping the last few degrees weren't that important. The airlerons sound
the
same as mine, and I have more than enough rudder travel. I'm impressed
with
the weight - you are right on the factory 800 lbs. Mine is very heavy,
mainly because of the subaru and also some other options.
It's ready to fly now, I've been taxi testing and waiting for the FAA to
sign it off. In the U.S., we can get a DAR or FAA guy to inspect it.
The
FAA is free but may take a while and the DAR (Designated Airworthiness
Representative) is usually around $500. Right now I'm thinking I should
have paid the money. It was supposed to be inspected by the end of Oct,
then last Friday, then tommorow but I still haven't heard from him. A
fellow Pelican builder/flyer offered to test fly it for me so I'll call
him
whenever the inspection passes.
Glad to hear you're enjoying the plane Mike, I'm looking forward to
visiting
the factory also. If it all goes well, I may try to make Sun'N'Fun in
the
spring.
Fly safe,
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: final adjustments
>
> Gary:
>
> 1. My weights were as follows:
> - totally empty (no fuel, oil or antifreeze) - 784
lbs
> - empty weight + oil + antifreeze - 806
lbs
> - empty weight + oil + antifreeze + residual fuel -
830 lbs
>
> 2. tire pressure - never measured - just pumped them up until they
looked
ok
>
> 3. Control surface deflections:
>
> flaps - max deflection about 42 degrees
>
> ailerons - left - down -15.5 degrees
> - up - 20 degrees
> - right - down - 14.5 degrees
> - up - 21 degrees
> the aileron travel is restricted by the mass balances hitting the
wing
skins.
> (That is until I put a stop on the sticks at full deflection - now the
mass
> balance hits the wing and the stick hits the stop at the same time)
>
> elevators - down - 20.5 degrees
> - up - 28 degrees
> the down elevator is restricted by my stick stop which keeps the max
fwd
> travel of the stick to about 1.5 inches from the panel.
>
> trim - down - 23 degrees
> - up - 24 degrees
>
> rudder - right/left - 18/18 degrees
>
> I flew up to Gatineau last week. Lorraine, Jean-Rene and Pierre all
came
to
> see the plane. Pierre thought that the rudder deflection was a bit on
the
low
> side. Believe me the 18 degrees will slip the plane just fine (and
really
scare
> your passengers!), I don't think more is required. As for the other
> deflections, I have never had to use more than about 1/2 deflection on
any of
> them so they are also just fine.
>
> As an aside, the factory was really busy - shipping planes all over the
world -
> something good to see.
>
>
> 4. I believe the nose down attitude depends on the landing gear version
you have
> (there are several). On mine the nose gear is about 1 1/2 inches up
from
the
> slotted ring on the gear support when the plane is on the ground.
This
results
> in the plane being slightly nose down. I have never actually checked
the
angle
> but when I weighed the plane I had to put a 2x4 under the nose wheel to
get the
> rear fuselage level.
>
> I now have 76 hours on the plane, it flies like a dream.
>
> How close are you to flying? Are you going to do the first flight?
>
> Mike
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:48:32 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each
Year?
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: first flight
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:02:14 -0500
I finally flew my Pelican after too many years building. It flies great
and
everything went well. I think the nosewheel shimmy is a bad tire. I
balanced it but it has a hop and wobble when spun fast. I tried re-
seating
the bead but it didn't work. I'll just get a new tire. The Stratus
subaru
is smooth and has plenty of power. No solid performance data yet but
I'll
get better numbers soon. Very fun airplane to fly. I'm sure it'll take
a
little while to master but I had no problems on my first flight and I'm
looking forward to many more flights and also to traveling around quite a
bit. I hope that one of my first trips will be up north and maybe I can
visit some other Pelican builders.
Safe flying,
Gary
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:38:46 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Pelican-List: First Flight
Gary:
Great news!! Hope to see you up here soon. How long did you stay up?
How
did you find the landing performance? Do you have the same restriction
re:
keeping within 25 miles of the base airport for the first 25 hours?
My plane is in the shop at Kitchener to have a clutch put on the prop
reduction
gear and to have the gears replaced. The gears had chips after 80 hours
of
service so I am hoping that Rotax will pay the bill.
Mike
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: First Flight
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:56:15 -0500
I had another Pelican owner do the first flights, he's got more
experience
than I could possibly get in the next 20 years and did a great job of
laying
out a plan and checking it out for me. I can't say enough about how
professional he is and how much it helped me. He did three flights, the
first was just once around then a landing because the subaru oil temp was
climbing. It turned out to be within reason so he went up again and
spent
about 40 minutes going around the pattern. We checked the plane over and
he
went up to do some stalls and came back after about 30 minutes. It
stalled
straight on at about 36 knots and it looked impressive as he slipped it
with
full flaps and stopped at the beginning of the huge 8,000' runway. The
left
wing was a bit heavy but we tweaked the rear wing eccentric and got that
straightened out between the first couple flights, and the nosewheel
shimmy
was still present but I've since found that it was the front tire that
was
originally balanced but was out (probably from sitting for 2 years!). I
replaced the tire tonight because the local A&P had so many problems with
these tires that they won't buy them anymore. Anyway, I took it up by
myself for the fourth flight and just did circuits for about 20 minutes
and
landed just fine (far from perfect, but ok). Having the plane checked
out
first gave me enough confidence as a low-time pilot to stay much calmer
and
relaxed. The last time I flew a Pelican or anything close was about
three
years ago. I've been flying fairly regularly but only Cessna's and
Cherokee's. I forgot how responsive the Pelican is and had a bit of
pitch
oscillation on takeoff and the landing was more like 3-axis oscillations
plus throttle oscillations but nothing too bad. I'm glad it wasn't
captured
on video but I doubt it looked too wild. I used full flaps and it's slow
enough and controllable enough that I wasn't worried, just not very
smooth
yet. I think it's going to be a fun plane. I just flew with someone in
their Kitfox and it seems very close to that.
Yes, I have a 25 NM radius for 40 hours. They allow 25 hours for
certified
engine/prop combinations but with the subaru I got 40 hours. I'll just
stay
in the pattern for the first ten hours and if there are no problems, I
can
venture out a bit and start enjoying owning a plane. I think I'll put
quite
a few hours on before I head out over the ocean to the islands, but I'm
only
a stone's throw from Block Island, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket so I
hope
those will be regular flights.
My hangar partner is almost done with a Zenith 701 with a Rotax 912S -
what
a nice engine. He also removed his gearbox to have the clutch installed.
Turns out it was already in there. I'm very impressed with that engine
and
wish I got one but the subaru is very smooth and hasn't skipped a beat
yet.
It seems like about 125mph cruise but I have a ways to go before getting
good performance data. I didn't even try a good climbout yet so I don't
know whether the prop is more of a cruise or climb. It's supposed to be
nice for the next few days so I hope I can get at least 10 hours and get
some good data.
I'll report back soon. Thanks for the note.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: First Flight
>
> Gary:
>
> Great news!! Hope to see you up here soon. How long did you stay
up?
How
> did you find the landing performance? Do you have the same
restriction
re:
> keeping within 25 miles of the base airport for the first 25 hours?
>
> My plane is in the shop at Kitchener to have a clutch put on the prop
reduction
> gear and to have the gears replaced. The gears had chips after 80
hours
of
> service so I am hoping that Rotax will pay the bill.
>
> Mike
>
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:53:36 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Listers Are Saying III
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Subject: Pelican-List: test
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:02:42 -0500
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From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:49:29 -0800
DNA: not not archive
Subject: Pelican-List: [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From
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There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that
is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such
things as:
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From: "gary"
Subject: Pelican-List: Nosewheel
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:50:29 -0500
Hello,
Has anyone had their nosewheel come out of the notch and turn in
flight?
I sometimes have a stuck yaw after a bumpy takeoff or landing, or after a
hard slip. I can get the nosewheel to pop out when I tie the tail down
and
kick the rudder so I'm assuming this is what's happening but haven't
proved
it yet. The rest of the control system seems fine.
Gary
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:09:29 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Nosewheel
Gary:
I have never had the wheel come out of the notch in flight (once I get it
in)
for reference I have:
- the bungee in the mid position.
- the bolt on the ring extending down about 1/2 inch into the slot
- the ring in about the mid position when the plane is on the ground
One problem I do have is that after takeoff the nosewheel is usually
turned to
the right. (for some reason this makes the plane want to turn left) I
think it
doesn't fall into the slot because I have to apply significant right
rudder to
counteract the 'P' factor, this turns the nosewheel to the right so it
doesn't
get a chance to fall in.
What I end up doing after I throttle back is to apply hard left rudder
and this
usually works. But it is sometimes hard to tell if the gear has gone
into the
slot so I do some more severe rudder movements until the plane seems to
fly
straight without much force on the rudder pedals.
This spring I am going to put in some sort of detection system that will
indicate when the gear is in the slot (the plane is still down at the old
Picton
air force base waiting for spring - we still have snow on the ground
here)
Let me know how you make out.
Mike
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Nosewheel
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:57:16 -0500
Thanks Mike,
That's reassuring to know it happens to someone else, and good info
that
it seems to have opposite yaw. That would explain why I can't get it
back
in - I always try right rudder to get it back in but it doesn't seem to
work.
I still have the bungee on the lightest setting, and the bolt is only
out
about 1/4". Funny, but mine sits less than mid-position when on the
ground
and my engine is heavier. Maybe yours is broken in much more.
I have a small video camera that I bought for internal wing inspection
and
I borrowed a very neat LCD display that I will mount in the plane. I'll
have the camera pointed at the nosewheel somehow so I can see what's
going
on but you have me more convinced that the nosewheel is the problem.
I just ordered tailwheel parts so I may not care about this problem for
long, but some people are recommending against the tailwheel so I may end
up
switching back.
Thanks very much Mike for the info,
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Nosewheel
>
> Gary:
>
> I have never had the wheel come out of the notch in flight (once I get
it
in)
> for reference I have:
> - the bungee in the mid position.
> - the bolt on the ring extending down about 1/2 inch into the slot
> - the ring in about the mid position when the plane is on the ground
>
> One problem I do have is that after takeoff the nosewheel is usually
turned to
> the right. (for some reason this makes the plane want to turn left) I
think it
> doesn't fall into the slot because I have to apply significant right
rudder to
> counteract the 'P' factor, this turns the nosewheel to the right so it
doesn't
> get a chance to fall in.
>
> What I end up doing after I throttle back is to apply hard left rudder
and
this
> usually works. But it is sometimes hard to tell if the gear has gone
into
the
> slot so I do some more severe rudder movements until the plane seems to
fly
> straight without much force on the rudder pedals.
>
> This spring I am going to put in some sort of detection system that
will
> indicate when the gear is in the slot (the plane is still down at the
old
Picton
> air force base waiting for spring - we still have snow on the ground
here)
>
> Let me know how you make out.
> Mike
>
>
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From: "Robert Eleazer"
Subject: Pelican-List: Right side door
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:36:43 -0400
Anyone need a right side door for a Pelican? I have one in pretty good
shape; it
is too good to throw away and maybe even too good for ebay.
Thanks!
Wayne Eleazer
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From: "gary"
Subject: Pelican-List: London, ONT
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:28:26 -0400
Is anyone familiar with the area? It looks like a good half-way point to
Oshkosh
for me. I'd like to talk off-list about things to do and places to stay.
Thanks,
Gary
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From: "gary"
Subject: Pelican-List: Osh 04
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:39:16 -0400
We just got back from Osh, had a great flight from R.I. thru Canada and
over
Lake Michigan. The plane was a pleasure to fly and my wife and I really
enjoyed the trip. I heard there was another Pelican on floats but I
didn't
get a chance to see it or talk to the owner. Lorraine and Jean Rene were
there, and Bruce had a very nice Kolb Sport 600 display with his red one
and
a new "stock" factory plane. I got lots of pictures of Bruce's plane -
he
has a lot of nice detailed improvements to his. I also met quite a few
Pelican builders and flyers that I never heard from before. There was
even
an owner from Brazil that said there were about 50 flying there. It was
a
lot of fun, hope to see some other Pelicans there next year.
Happy building and safe flying,
Gary
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:38:17 -0400
From: ROLANDOGL(at)aol.com
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/03/04
Hey Gary.
In fact we have a Barzil built Pelican Sport 600 here in Monterrey
Mexico. Flyer
industries in building many Pelicans for Brazil and Europe. The one we
have
here is built and painted but with no engine or instruments and is for
sale.
We heve another one that we are finishing and that one was built by
Ultravia, it has a 914 and lots of instruments, you can see both planes
in constrution at
www.geocities.com/youthfootball2003/bienvenidos_pilotos.html
Great to hear from you.
Rolando Gonzlez.
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:39:14 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists
Dear Listers,
Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their
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days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:55:48 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Terry's Autobody wrote:
> i have just joined and thought i would say hello i have a pelican pl
> taildragger with a fuel injected subaru which i am thinking of
> changing . i will probably still run a subaru but not from the same
> company who converted this one as i have had numerous workmanship
> problems with the engine systems and drive.however the pelican pl is a
> great plane and would recomend it to anyone . ultravia has always been
> very helpful when i would contact them for info terry 226hours
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:37:59 -1000
Terry,
How do you like the Pelican as a taildragger? I'm planning on changing
mine over but i'm a new taildragger pilot. Any comparisons to other
planes?
What prop are you using? I had a Prince 68" x 64" 2-blade and switched
to
a Warp 72" 3-blade. I've run it between 12 degrees and 16 degrees and
find
it a bit smoother but the Prince had better overall performance. The
Stratus redlines at 5400 rpm and 13-14 degrees on the Warp seemed to get
the
most out of it.
Anybody else new here? How many people here building or flying a
Pelican?
Mike, are you still on the list?
Gary Krysztopik
Pelican PL - N522GK
Stratus Subaru EA-81
Newport, RI
http://members.efortress.com/flyink/index.html
kit # 640, 100 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
>
>
> Terry's Autobody wrote:
>
>> i have just joined and thought i would say hello i have a pelican pl
>> taildragger with a fuel injected subaru which i am thinking of
>> changing . i will probably still run a subaru but not from the same
>> company who converted this one as i have had numerous workmanship
>> problems with the engine systems and drive.however the pelican pl is a
>> great plane and would recomend it to anyone . ultravia has always
been
>> very helpful when i would contact them for info terry 226hours
>
>
>
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From: Ramperf(at)aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:36:16 EST
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Hey Gary and Terry
I veiw the list an thought I would jump in and say howdy.
Ron
RAM Performance
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:31:23 -1000
Hi Ron,
I told Terry about RAM and also that John Pratt is mounting his new
engine. John sent me pictures, it looks great. I hope he gets the rest
together ok, I can't wait to hear some performance numbers.
You mentioned that you may be using a new gear drive - anything new
there?
The new radiator looks great, should be perfect for EA-81's.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
> Hey Gary and Terry
>
> I veiw the list an thought I would jump in and say howdy.
> Ron
> RAM Performance
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:08:59 -0500
From: ROLANDOGL(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Hey Terry.
Nice to hear from ya !
My name is Rolando and I have a Pelican Sport with my friend Alejandro,
you can check our progress at
www.geocities.com/youthfootball2003/bienvenidos_pilotos.html
Our plane has a Rotax 914 turbo with the Airmaster variable pitch
propeller, I
am the Mexico sales rep for Ultravia, keep in touch.
Rolando Gonzlez.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:13:45 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: taildragger changeover
hi terry here when i first started flying ,only about four years ago i
learned
on a
husky norseman ultralight a very predictable taildragger with a subaru
in it .i
also
took my private pilot license in cessna 150,s and 172,s when i bought
my plane
it did
take me awhile to transition . to it as it is much more sensitive in
taildragger
form.
it takes your undivided attention. i am speaking of takeoffs and landing
,as in
the air
it handles the same as the tricycle gear plane. my plane is an earlier
version
and sits
lower than yours will . when i take off , before i get the tail upi am
able to
see the
runway just above the left corner of the dash . i think if you change
yours to
tailwheel
because your nose will be higher you will have a little less visibility ,
this
however
shouldn,t be a problem and you will get used to it . when i land on
snow, grass,
or
gravel i don,t have much problem. when you land on pavement however you
really
have to
be on the ball. my warp drive prop is pitched to 13 degrees , at 4200rpm
solo
170 lbs.
and full tanks i get a cruise of about 90 to 95 mph. when i throttle up
to 4600
i get
approx.100mph. my climb rates when loaded the same way would run around
900 fpm
and
when fully loaded to gross weight maybe 500fpm. it never really
impressed me compared
to what others are getting. these are only approx. figures because i
haven,t really
checked it for awhile.i am going flying shortly (just waiting for the
heaters to
warm
the plane up) the temperature is about 0 degrees farenheit my altitude
here is
1830
ft. i will check my climb and cruise figures .talk to you again terry
. one
more
thing i am getting a lot of drag from the drive system out the front of
the hood
,the
huge hole for the drive in the front of the hood and my rad hanging
underneath.
i am
holding off doing any changes to the cowl or rad as i will will be
changing to
a
diffrent engine and drive and will have to rework it all anyway. i
would probably
get 10 more mph i streamlined the cowl and changed the rad slightly?
well its
perfectly
clear and sunny out and just snowed 2 inches so it should be very smooth
up there
.
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> 1. 09:56 AM - Re: just joined (Terry's Autobody)
> 2. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: just joined (gary)
> 3. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: just joined (Ramperf(at)aol.com)
> 4. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: just joined (gary)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
> From: "Terry's Autobody"
> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
>
> Terry's Autobody wrote:
>
> > i have just joined and thought i would say hello i have a pelican pl
> > taildragger with a fuel injected subaru which i am thinking of
> > changing . i will probably still run a subaru but not from the same
> > company who converted this one as i have had numerous workmanship
> > problems with the engine systems and drive.however the pelican pl is
a
> > great plane and would recomend it to anyone . ultravia has always
been
> > very helpful when i would contact them for info terry 226hours
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
> From: "gary"
> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
>
> Terry,
> How do you like the Pelican as a taildragger? I'm planning on
changing
> mine over but i'm a new taildragger pilot. Any comparisons to other
planes?
>
> What prop are you using? I had a Prince 68" x 64" 2-blade and
switched to
> a Warp 72" 3-blade. I've run it between 12 degrees and 16 degrees and
find
> it a bit smoother but the Prince had better overall performance. The
> Stratus redlines at 5400 rpm and 13-14 degrees on the Warp seemed to
get the
> most out of it.
>
> Anybody else new here? How many people here building or flying a
Pelican?
>
> Mike, are you still on the list?
>
> Gary Krysztopik
> Pelican PL - N522GK
> Stratus Subaru EA-81
> Newport, RI
> http://members.efortress.com/flyink/index.html
> kit # 640, 100 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry's Autobody"
> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Terry's Autobody wrote:
> >
> >> i have just joined and thought i would say hello i have a pelican pl
> >> taildragger with a fuel injected subaru which i am thinking of
> >> changing . i will probably still run a subaru but not from the same
> >> company who converted this one as i have had numerous workmanship
> >> problems with the engine systems and drive.however the pelican pl is
a
> >> great plane and would recomend it to anyone . ultravia has always
been
> >> very helpful when i would contact them for info terry 226hours
> >
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
> From: Ramperf(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
>
> Hey Gary and Terry
>
> I veiw the list an thought I would jump in and say howdy.
> Ron
> RAM Performance
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
> From: "gary"
> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
>
> Hi Ron,
> I told Terry about RAM and also that John Pratt is mounting his new
> engine. John sent me pictures, it looks great. I hope he gets the
rest
> together ok, I can't wait to hear some performance numbers.
> You mentioned that you may be using a new gear drive - anything new
there?
> The new radiator looks great, should be perfect for EA-81's.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
> >
> > Hey Gary and Terry
> >
> > I veiw the list an thought I would jump in and say howdy.
> > Ron
> > RAM Performance
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:26:28 -1000
Rolando - great progress! Your Pelican looks very close to flying. What
is
the right air intake going to? It looks like engine block cooling? Is
that
recommended from the factory? Good idea, I know the turbo gets a lot
hotter. Very nice work - you have a good factory representation. Goo
dluck.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
>
> Hey Terry.
>
> Nice to hear from ya !
> My name is Rolando and I have a Pelican Sport with my friend Alejandro,
> you can check our progress at
> www.geocities.com/youthfootball2003/bienvenidos_pilotos.html
>
> Our plane has a Rotax 914 turbo with the Airmaster variable pitch
> propeller, I am the Mexico sales rep for Ultravia, keep in touch.
>
> Rolando Gonzlez.
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:49:24 -0500
From: ROLANDOGL(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Hey Gary.
Yes, the right cooling intake on the front of the cowling is directed to
engine
block and cylinders and it is part of the new Pelican kit, I guess it
comes with
the Rotax 914 turbo engine kit from Pelican but we have to ask Lorraine
about
it, by the way sorry that I did not include picture explanations in
english
! I guess I will have to do that in the near future.
We are trying to finish the plane in March so we can fly it from spring
time, where
are you located at ?
Cheers !
Rolando.
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From: Ramperf(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:25:38 EST
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: just joined
Gary
I'm working on a planetary dirve, have the drive working on the mounting
couplers and flywheel. This drive is good to 300hp so we will be
installing it
mainly on our new supercharged version ea81 comming out this year.
I talked to John on friday and he's waiting on a prop adapter from
Autoflight, should be a good ride!
Ron
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:33:59 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
Gary:
Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will be
getting it
out at the end of March.
Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in early
summer.
Have you got any plans for 2005?
Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler. If it
works
I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose gear
indicator
was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was cocked in
flight it
turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the slot, usually
before liftoff.
I am not sure why I had the strong sensation that something was out of
alignment even after reducing power for level flight.
I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw the
prototype
certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
Mike
Pelican PL 912S
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:46:23 -1000
Mike,
What is your nosegear position indicator? I never heard of it. Wish I
had
one - easy to make?
Mine gets that way on takeoff and I usually have to kick my rudder then
it
straightens out. I still don't have a fix or proof of exactly what's
happening but it sure makes sense that it's the nosegear not seating.
Interesting.
I'm in Hawaii until sep 05 then back to RI. After that, I'd like to plan
some weekend flights.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike macleod"
Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>
> Gary:
>
> Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will be
> getting it out at the end of March.
>
> Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in early
> summer. Have you got any plans for 2005?
>
> Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler. If
it
> works I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose
gear
> indicator was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was
cocked
> in flight it turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the
slot,
> usually before liftoff. I am not sure why I had the strong sensation
that
> something was out of alignment even after reducing power for level
flight.
>
> I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw the
> prototype certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>
> Mike
> Pelican PL 912S
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:25:56 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
hi terry here again this is slightly off the topic but does anyone know
if the
plugin
for a king ky97a radio will plug into a icom a200 radio my plane is wired
for a
ky97a
and someone told me they thought the a200 radio matched up with the 97a
radio (
an
instrument technician from saskatoon) however when i e- mailed icom they
said
i would
have to rewire it. i am using a handheld icom hooked in to my external
antennae
right now but it is awkward there is a 500.dollar price diffrence between
the a200
and a
ky97 if i have to change the wiring i will just spend the money and go
with the
ky97
thanks terry
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> 1. 06:41 PM - Keeping in touch (mike macleod)
> 2. 08:46 PM - Re: Keeping in touch (gary)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
> From: mike macleod
> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>
>
> Gary:
>
> Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will be
getting
it
> out at the end of March.
>
> Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in early
summer.
> Have you got any plans for 2005?
>
> Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler. If
it works
> I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose gear
indicator
> was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was cocked in
flight it
> turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the slot, usually
before liftoff.
> I am not sure why I had the strong sensation that something was out of
> alignment even after reducing power for level flight.
>
> I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw the
prototype
> certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>
> Mike
> Pelican PL 912S
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
> From: "gary"
> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>
>
> Mike,
>
> What is your nosegear position indicator? I never heard of it. Wish I
had
> one - easy to make?
>
> Mine gets that way on takeoff and I usually have to kick my rudder then
it
> straightens out. I still don't have a fix or proof of exactly what's
> happening but it sure makes sense that it's the nosegear not seating.
> Interesting.
>
> I'm in Hawaii until sep 05 then back to RI. After that, I'd like to
plan
> some weekend flights.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike macleod"
> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>
> >
> > Gary:
> >
> > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will be
> > getting it out at the end of March.
> >
> > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early
> > summer. Have you got any plans for 2005?
> >
> > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler. If
it
> > works I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose
gear
> > indicator was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was
cocked
> > in flight it turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the
slot,
> > usually before liftoff. I am not sure why I had the strong sensation
that
> > something was out of alignment even after reducing power for level
flight.
> >
> > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the
> > prototype certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
> >
> > Mike
> > Pelican PL 912S
> >
> >
> >
>
>
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:15:59 -1000
sorry Terry - I don't know. But, there are two lists that will probably
get
you answers. Both are on matronics -
http://www.matronics.com/subscription
aeroelectric-list
avionics-list
gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
>
>
> hi terry here again this is slightly off the topic but does anyone know
if
> the plugin
> for a king ky97a radio will plug into a icom a200 radio my plane is
wired
> for a ky97a
> and someone told me they thought the a200 radio matched up with the 97a
> radio ( an
> instrument technician from saskatoon) however when i e- mailed icom
they
> said i would
> have to rewire it. i am using a handheld icom hooked in to my
external
> antennae
> right now but it is awkward there is a 500.dollar price diffrence
between
> the a200 and a
> ky97 if i have to change the wiring i will just spend the money and
go
> with the ky97
> thanks terry
>
> Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
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>>
>> 1. 06:41 PM - Keeping in touch (mike macleod)
>> 2. 08:46 PM - Re: Keeping in touch (gary)
>>
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>> _____________________________________
>>
>> From: mike macleod
>> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>>
>>
>> Gary:
>>
>> Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will be
>> getting it
>> out at the end of March.
>>
>> Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in early
>> summer.
>> Have you got any plans for 2005?
>>
>> Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler. If
it
>> works
>> I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose gear
>> indicator
>> was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was cocked in
>> flight it
>> turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the slot, usually
>> before liftoff.
>> I am not sure why I had the strong sensation that something was out of
>> alignment even after reducing power for level flight.
>>
>> I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw the
>> prototype
>> certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>>
>> Mike
>> Pelican PL 912S
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>> From: "gary"
>> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> What is your nosegear position indicator? I never heard of it. Wish
I
>> had
>> one - easy to make?
>>
>> Mine gets that way on takeoff and I usually have to kick my rudder
then
>> it
>> straightens out. I still don't have a fix or proof of exactly what's
>> happening but it sure makes sense that it's the nosegear not seating.
>> Interesting.
>>
>> I'm in Hawaii until sep 05 then back to RI. After that, I'd like to
plan
>> some weekend flights.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mike macleod"
>> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>>
>> >
>> > Gary:
>> >
>> > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will
be
>> > getting it out at the end of March.
>> >
>> > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early
>> > summer. Have you got any plans for 2005?
>> >
>> > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
If
>> > it
>> > works I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My
nose
>> > gear
>> > indicator was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was
>> > cocked
>> > in flight it turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the
>> > slot,
>> > usually before liftoff. I am not sure why I had the strong
sensation
>> > that
>> > something was out of alignment even after reducing power for level
>> > flight.
>> >
>> > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the
>> > prototype certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > Pelican PL 912S
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:19:34 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: tire size
gary you mentioned you have larger tires on your pelican. i was
wondering what
size they
were , i looked at your pictures but it is tough to tell the tire size. i
have
very small
tires (15x6.00-6)and went to larger ones but haven,t installed them yet
the ones
i might
put on are the same as the cessna 150 tire size 6.00x6,these tires are 3
inches
taller
and because there 6 ply quite a bit heavier terry
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> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
> From: "Terry's Autobody"
> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
>
>
> hi terry here again this is slightly off the topic but does anyone know
if the
> plugin
> for a king ky97a radio will plug into a icom a200 radio my plane is
wired for
a
> ky97a
> and someone told me they thought the a200 radio matched up with the 97a
radio
(
> an
> instrument technician from saskatoon) however when i e- mailed icom
they said
> i would
> have to rewire it. i am using a handheld icom hooked in to my
external antennae
> right now but it is awkward there is a 500.dollar price diffrence
between the
a200
> and a
> ky97 if i have to change the wiring i will just spend the money and
go with
the
> ky97
> thanks terry
>
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> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 06:41 PM - Keeping in touch (mike macleod)
> > 2. 08:46 PM - Re: Keeping in touch (gary)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
> >
> > From: mike macleod
> > Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
> >
> >
> > Gary:
> >
> > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will be
getting
> it
> > out at the end of March.
> >
> > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early summer.
> > Have you got any plans for 2005?
> >
> > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler. If
it works
> > I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose gear
indicator
> > was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was cocked in
flight
it
> > turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the slot, usually
before
liftoff.
> > I am not sure why I had the strong sensation that something was out
of
> > alignment even after reducing power for level flight.
> >
> > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the prototype
> > certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
> >
> > Mike
> > Pelican PL 912S
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
> >
> > From: "gary"
> > Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > What is your nosegear position indicator? I never heard of it. Wish
I had
> > one - easy to make?
> >
> > Mine gets that way on takeoff and I usually have to kick my rudder
then it
> > straightens out. I still don't have a fix or proof of exactly what's
> > happening but it sure makes sense that it's the nosegear not seating.
> > Interesting.
> >
> > I'm in Hawaii until sep 05 then back to RI. After that, I'd like to
plan
> > some weekend flights.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "mike macleod"
> > Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
> >
> > >
> > > Gary:
> > >
> > > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will
be
> > > getting it out at the end of March.
> > >
> > > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early
> > > summer. Have you got any plans for 2005?
> > >
> > > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
If it
> > > works I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My
nose gear
> > > indicator was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was
cocked
> > > in flight it turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the
slot,
> > > usually before liftoff. I am not sure why I had the strong
sensation that
> > > something was out of alignment even after reducing power for level
flight.
> > >
> > > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the
> > > prototype certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > Pelican PL 912S
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
> From: "gary"
> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
>
>
> sorry Terry - I don't know. But, there are two lists that will
probably get
> you answers. Both are on matronics -
http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>
> aeroelectric-list
>
> avionics-list
>
> gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry's Autobody"
> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
>
> >
> >
> > hi terry here again this is slightly off the topic but does anyone
know if
> > the plugin
> > for a king ky97a radio will plug into a icom a200 radio my plane is
wired
> > for a ky97a
> > and someone told me they thought the a200 radio matched up with the
97a
> > radio ( an
> > instrument technician from saskatoon) however when i e- mailed icom
they
> > said i would
> > have to rewire it. i am using a handheld icom hooked in to my
external
> > antennae
> > right now but it is awkward there is a 500.dollar price diffrence
between
> > the a200 and a
> > ky97 if i have to change the wiring i will just spend the money and
go
> > with the ky97
> > thanks terry
> >
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> >> 1. 06:41 PM - Keeping in touch (mike macleod)
> >> 2. 08:46 PM - Re: Keeping in touch (gary)
> >>
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> >> ________________________________ Message 1
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >> From: mike macleod
> >> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary:
> >>
> >> Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will
be
> >> getting it
> >> out at the end of March.
> >>
> >> Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early
> >> summer.
> >> Have you got any plans for 2005?
> >>
> >> Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
If it
> >> works
> >> I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose gear
> >> indicator
> >> was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was cocked in
> >> flight it
> >> turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the slot, usually
> >> before liftoff.
> >> I am not sure why I had the strong sensation that something was out
of
> >> alignment even after reducing power for level flight.
> >>
> >> I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the
> >> prototype
> >> certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> Pelican PL 912S
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 2
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >> From: "gary"
> >> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> What is your nosegear position indicator? I never heard of it.
Wish I
> >> had
> >> one - easy to make?
> >>
> >> Mine gets that way on takeoff and I usually have to kick my rudder
then
> >> it
> >> straightens out. I still don't have a fix or proof of exactly
what's
> >> happening but it sure makes sense that it's the nosegear not
seating.
> >> Interesting.
> >>
> >> I'm in Hawaii until sep 05 then back to RI. After that, I'd like to
plan
> >> some weekend flights.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "mike macleod"
> >> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Gary:
> >> >
> >> > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will
be
> >> > getting it out at the end of March.
> >> >
> >> > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early
> >> > summer. Have you got any plans for 2005?
> >> >
> >> > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
If
> >> > it
> >> > works I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My
nose
> >> > gear
> >> > indicator was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel
was
> >> > cocked
> >> > in flight it turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the
> >> > slot,
> >> > usually before liftoff. I am not sure why I had the strong
sensation
> >> > that
> >> > something was out of alignment even after reducing power for level
> >> > flight.
> >> >
> >> > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the
> >> > prototype certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > Pelican PL 912S
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: tire size
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:16:29 -1000
Terry,
I put 6.00 x 6 on the mains and a smaller 15 x 6.00 x 6 on the
nosewheel.
The mains are quite a bit taller - not sure if they are 6 ply. Heavier,
yes. That also contributed to my plump Pelican. Another reason for me
to
go taildragger - less weight and less drag. Ultravia recommends 5"
wheels
so even yours are bigger and heavier than factory.
gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: tire size
>
>
> gary you mentioned you have larger tires on your pelican. i was
wondering
> what size they
> were , i looked at your pictures but it is tough to tell the tire size.
i
> have very small
> tires (15x6.00-6)and went to larger ones but haven,t installed them yet
> the ones i might
> put on are the same as the cessna 150 tire size 6.00x6,these tires are
3
> inches taller
> and because there 6 ply quite a bit heavier terry
>
> Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
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>> 1. 06:26 AM - Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
(Terry's
>> Autobody)
>> 2. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
(gary)
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>> From: "Terry's Autobody"
>> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
>>
>>
>>
>> hi terry here again this is slightly off the topic but does anyone
know
>> if the
>> plugin
>> for a king ky97a radio will plug into a icom a200 radio my plane is
wired
>> for a
>> ky97a
>> and someone told me they thought the a200 radio matched up with the
97a
>> radio (
>> an
>> instrument technician from saskatoon) however when i e- mailed icom
they
>> said
>> i would
>> have to rewire it. i am using a handheld icom hooked in to my
external
>> antennae
>> right now but it is awkward there is a 500.dollar price diffrence
between
>> the a200
>> and a
>> ky97 if i have to change the wiring i will just spend the money and
go
>> with the
>> ky97
>> thanks terry
>>
>> Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
>>
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>> > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>> > formatted
>> > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
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>> > of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
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>> >
>> >
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>> > ----------------------
>> >
>> > 1. 06:41 PM - Keeping in touch (mike macleod)
>> > 2. 08:46 PM - Re: Keeping in touch (gary)
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 1
>> > _____________________________________
>> >
>> > From: mike macleod
>> > Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>> >
>> >
>> > Gary:
>> >
>> > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will
be
>> > getting
>> it
>> > out at the end of March.
>> >
>> > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early
>> > summer.
>> > Have you got any plans for 2005?
>> >
>> > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
If
>> > it works
>> > I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose gear
>> > indicator
>> > was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was cocked in
>> > flight it
>> > turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the slot, usually
>> > before liftoff.
>> > I am not sure why I had the strong sensation that something was out
of
>> > alignment even after reducing power for level flight.
>> >
>> > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the
>> > prototype
>> > certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > Pelican PL 912S
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 2
>> > _____________________________________
>> >
>> > From: "gary"
>> > Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > What is your nosegear position indicator? I never heard of it.
Wish I
>> > had
>> > one - easy to make?
>> >
>> > Mine gets that way on takeoff and I usually have to kick my rudder
then
>> > it
>> > straightens out. I still don't have a fix or proof of exactly
what's
>> > happening but it sure makes sense that it's the nosegear not
seating.
>> > Interesting.
>> >
>> > I'm in Hawaii until sep 05 then back to RI. After that, I'd like to
>> > plan
>> > some weekend flights.
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "mike macleod"
>> > Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Gary:
>> > >
>> > > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will
be
>> > > getting it out at the end of March.
>> > >
>> > > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
>> > > early
>> > > summer. Have you got any plans for 2005?
>> > >
>> > > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
If
>> > > it
>> > > works I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My
nose
>> > > gear
>> > > indicator was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel
was
>> > > cocked
>> > > in flight it turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the
>> > > slot,
>> > > usually before liftoff. I am not sure why I had the strong
sensation
>> > > that
>> > > something was out of alignment even after reducing power for level
>> > > flight.
>> > >
>> > > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
>> > > the
>> > > prototype certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > Pelican PL 912S
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>> From: "gary"
>> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
>>
>>
>> sorry Terry - I don't know. But, there are two lists that will
probably
>> get
>> you answers. Both are on matronics -
>> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
>>
>> aeroelectric-list
>>
>> avionics-list
>>
>> gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry's Autobody"
>> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/21/05
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > hi terry here again this is slightly off the topic but does anyone
know
>> > if
>> > the plugin
>> > for a king ky97a radio will plug into a icom a200 radio my plane is
>> > wired
>> > for a ky97a
>> > and someone told me they thought the a200 radio matched up with the
97a
>> > radio ( an
>> > instrument technician from saskatoon) however when i e- mailed icom
>> > they
>> > said i would
>> > have to rewire it. i am using a handheld icom hooked in to my
>> > external
>> > antennae
>> > right now but it is awkward there is a 500.dollar price diffrence
>> > between
>> > the a200 and a
>> > ky97 if i have to change the wiring i will just spend the money
and
>> > go
>> > with the ky97
>> > thanks terry
>> >
>> > Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
>> >
>> >> *
>> >>
>> >> ==================================================
>> >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>> >> ==================================================
>> >>
>> >> Today's complete Pelican-List Digest can also be found in either of
>> >> the
>> >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>> >> formatted
>> >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>> >> Indexes
>> >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>> >> version
>> >> of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
>> >> editor
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >> ================================================
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>> >> ---
>> >> Total Messages Posted Mon 02/21/05: 2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today's Message Index:
>> >> ----------------------
>> >>
>> >> 1. 06:41 PM - Keeping in touch (mike macleod)
>> >> 2. 08:46 PM - Re: Keeping in touch (gary)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________ Message 1
>> >> _____________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: mike macleod
>> >> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gary:
>> >>
>> >> Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I will
be
>> >> getting it
>> >> out at the end of March.
>> >>
>> >> Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
early
>> >> summer.
>> >> Have you got any plans for 2005?
>> >>
>> >> Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
If
>> >> it
>> >> works
>> >> I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My nose
gear
>> >> indicator
>> >> was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel was cocked in
>> >> flight it
>> >> turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into the slot, usually
>> >> before liftoff.
>> >> I am not sure why I had the strong sensation that something was out
of
>> >> alignment even after reducing power for level flight.
>> >>
>> >> I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire, saw
the
>> >> prototype
>> >> certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> Pelican PL 912S
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________ Message 2
>> >> _____________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: "gary"
>> >> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >> What is your nosegear position indicator? I never heard of it.
Wish
>> >> I
>> >> had
>> >> one - easy to make?
>> >>
>> >> Mine gets that way on takeoff and I usually have to kick my rudder
>> >> then
>> >> it
>> >> straightens out. I still don't have a fix or proof of exactly
what's
>> >> happening but it sure makes sense that it's the nosegear not
seating.
>> >> Interesting.
>> >>
>> >> I'm in Hawaii until sep 05 then back to RI. After that, I'd like
to
>> >> plan
>> >> some weekend flights.
>> >>
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "mike macleod"
>> >> Subject: Pelican-List: Keeping in touch
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Gary:
>> >> >
>> >> > Still on the list. Plane is in the garage for the winter. I
will
>> >> > be
>> >> > getting it out at the end of March.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope to fly to Moosonee (James Bay) this spring and Vancouver in
>> >> > early
>> >> > summer. Have you got any plans for 2005?
>> >> >
>> >> > Over the winter I added an air control damper for the oil cooler.
>> >> > If
>> >> > it
>> >> > works I will add a similar control for the carb heat system. My
>> >> > nose
>> >> > gear
>> >> > indicator was very useful in that when I thought the nose wheel
was
>> >> > cocked
>> >> > in flight it turned out that it wasn't. It always drops into
the
>> >> > slot,
>> >> > usually before liftoff. I am not sure why I had the strong
>> >> > sensation
>> >> > that
>> >> > something was out of alignment even after reducing power for
level
>> >> > flight.
>> >> >
>> >> > I visited Ultravia last fall, about 2 months after their fire,
saw
>> >> > the
>> >> > prototype certified Pelican fly. The factory was very busy.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > Pelican PL 912S
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:49:26 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05
hi terry here just thought this might come in handy sometime ,an i-
com200 dashmount
radio fits into and plugs into without modification the king ky97a
mounting tray
and
plugin. where i am( melville saskatchewan canada) its about 600 dollars
cheaper
to
install the i-com in my pelican.
Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
> *
>
> ==================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ==================================================
>
> Today's complete Pelican-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/pelican-list/Digest.Pelican-
List.2005-03-01.html
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/pelican-list/Digest.Pelican-
List.2005-03-01.txt
>
> ================================================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> ================================================
>
>
> Pelican-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Tue 03/01/05: 0
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
>
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:05:47 -1000
that's pretty clever of acom to fit into a king tray. i've got the A200
in
my Pelican too. the king is a slim unit too? i didn't realize there
were
many other units that small.
what's new on the engine?
i'm still prop shopping, waiting to hear about the new sensenich 912
blades
in a quinti hub. either that or the bolly blades in an airmaster hub. i
hope something new comes around before i get serious later this year, not
much of a selection right now.
gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05
>
>
> hi terry here just thought this might come in handy sometime ,an i-
com200
> dashmount
> radio fits into and plugs into without modification the king ky97a
> mounting tray and
> plugin. where i am( melville saskatchewan canada) its about 600
dollars
> cheaper to
> install the i-com in my pelican.
>
> Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
>
>> *
>>
>> ==================================================
>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>> ==================================================
>>
>> Today's complete Pelican-List Digest can also be found in either of
the
>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
formatted
>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
Indexes
>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
version
>> of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
editor
>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>
>> HTML Version:
>>
>>
>>
>> Text Version:
>>
>>
>>
>> ================================================
>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>> ================================================
>>
>>
>> Pelican-List Digest Archive
>> ---
>> Total Messages Posted Tue 03/01/05: 0
>>
>>
>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:18:45 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody" of his install
so far but
i am leaning toward the same engine as him but he did recommend using
the ram
complete system which i think is a good idea
Subject: Pelican-List: hi terry here, i still waiting for john pratt to
send me
his pictures
of his install so far but i am leaning toward the same engine as him but
he
did recommend using the ram complete system which i think is a good
idea
of his install so far but i am leaning toward the same engine as him but
he did recommend using the ram complete system which i think is a good
idea
Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
> *
>
> ==================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ==================================================
>
> Today's complete Pelican-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/pelican-list/Digest.Pelican-
List.2005-03-02.html
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/pelican-list/Digest.Pelican-
List.2005-03-02.txt
>
> ================================================
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> ================================================
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>
> Pelican-List Digest Archive
> ---
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>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 07:49 PM - Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05 (Terry's
Autobody)
> 2. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05
(gary)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
> From: "Terry's Autobody"
> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05
>
>
> hi terry here just thought this might come in handy sometime ,an i-
com200 dashmount
> radio fits into and plugs into without modification the king ky97a
mounting
tray
> and
> plugin. where i am( melville saskatchewan canada) its about 600
dollars cheaper
> to
> install the i-com in my pelican.
>
> Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > *
> >
> > ==================================================
> > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> > ==================================================
> >
> > Today's complete Pelican-List Digest can also be found in either of
the
> > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
formatted
> > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
Indexes
> > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
version
> > of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
editor
> > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
> > HTML Version:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pelican-list/Digest.Pelican-
List.2005-03-01.html
> >
> > Text Version:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pelican-list/Digest.Pelican-
List.2005-03-01.txt
> >
> > ================================================
> > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> > ================================================
> >
> >
> > Pelican-List Digest Archive
> > ---
> > Total Messages Posted Tue 03/01/05: 0
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
> From: "gary"
> Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05
>
>
> that's pretty clever of acom to fit into a king tray. i've got the
A200 in
> my Pelican too. the king is a slim unit too? i didn't realize there
were
> many other units that small.
>
> what's new on the engine?
>
> i'm still prop shopping, waiting to hear about the new sensenich 912
blades
> in a quinti hub. either that or the bolly blades in an airmaster hub.
i
> hope something new comes around before i get serious later this year,
not
> much of a selection right now.
>
> gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry's Autobody"
> Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/01/05
>
> >
> >
> > hi terry here just thought this might come in handy sometime ,an i-
com200
> > dashmount
> > radio fits into and plugs into without modification the king ky97a
> > mounting tray and
> > plugin. where i am( melville saskatchewan canada) its about 600
dollars
> > cheaper to
> > install the i-com in my pelican.
> >
> > Pelican-List Digest Server wrote:
> >
> >> *
> >>
> >> ==================================================
> >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> >> ==================================================
> >>
> >> Today's complete Pelican-List Digest can also be found in either of
the
> >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
formatted
> >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
Indexes
> >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
version
> >> of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
editor
> >> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >>
> >> HTML Version:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Text Version:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ================================================
> >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> >> ================================================
> >>
> >>
> >> Pelican-List Digest Archive
> >> ---
> >> Total Messages Posted Tue 03/01/05: 0
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Message Index:
> >> ----------------------
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:01:41 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: i-com 200 radio
hi i just took my first flight using my new i-com a200 radio , my
transmitting and recieving is very poor , i have alot of interference
from my engine i think, can anyone recomend any thing i can try to solve
or at least lesson the interference. before i put the i-com a 200 in i
had a hand held icom a4 that i had hooked in to the antennae on the
plane i had much less interference using it .thanks terry in
melville sask. canada
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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:31:35 -0500
From: mike macleod
Subject: Pelican-List: i-com 200 problems
Terry;
Interesting problem. I had the reverse, lots of interference on my a4,
then when
I installed my a200 all problems went away.
One thing though, I could hear the interference on the A4 but the
receivers of
my broadcast reported 5/5 with no interference.
Is your radio shielded ok?
Are there any gaps in the coax to the antenna?
How did you ground the antenna? For my a200 I have one of those dipole
antennas
mounted inside the fuselage so it doesn't require grounding. For my
transponder
I ran a dedicated ground wire from the antenna ground plane to the engine
to ensure that it was properly grounded.
Do you have noise suppression/shielding in the ignition system?
Mike
PL C-FSVB
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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:37:14 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade...
Dear Listers,
I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
includes
some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable processors
-
as well as a complete operating system upgrade from scratch. I hope to
have both the old system and the new system running at the same time to
minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but
a
few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show
up
on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then please
just try posting it again.
Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
to it as often as you like:
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
possible!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:30:00 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade
Complete!
Dear Listers,
The upgrade of the Matronics Email Server can be considered complete at
this time. All known issues related to the upgrade process have been
resolved and email services are running normal. The Nightly Digest
processing has not yet been tested and will wait for tonight's update.
If you encounter any odd behavior with respect to the Matronics Email
Server over the next few days, please contact me via email at
dralle(at)matronics.com or if that fails try dralle(at)speakeasy.net.
Thanks to everyone for being patient through this arduous process of a
major system upgrade!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
>includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable
>processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from
>scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running
at
>the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
>
>Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition,
but
>a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post
show
>up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then
>please just try posting it again.
>
>Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
>7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
>deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
>the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
>will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
>absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during
the
>cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
>
>I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
>Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please
refer
>to it as often as you like:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
>
>
>Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
>Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
>possible!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:09:40 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Digest Truncation Fixed!!
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Smith
Subject: Pelican-List: Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki
Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki
If you are interested in alternative engines for
experimental aircraft you are invited to
join the flyGeo_uncensored group and learn about the
fantastic Geo/Suzuki engines used in
aircraft.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyGeo_uncensored
Both bolt on gearbox and cog belt redrives and all
other aircraft
conversion parts are available for very reasonable
cost. Turbo
versions are available also. Gearbox type redrives for
around US$1750-
The Geo/Suzuki engine uses about half the fuel that
the two stroke
engines use.
The 1.3 litre four cylinder Suzuki engine beats the
Rotax 912 in
power and weight, again both gearbox and belt type
redrives are
available.
The Geo/Suzuki one litre engine weighs a little more
than a Rotax
582, it produces 62 HP normally aspirated but with a
better, flatter
torque curve.
All those advantages plus flying engines with the
hours up to prove
them and last but not lease, far, far cheaper than a
Rotax two or four stroke engine.
One person on the group has over 1000 hours on one
installation.
FlyGeo_uncensored is a very active and helpful group
that is also a fun group and is not
doubt one of the fastest growing aircraft alternative
engine groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyGeo_uncensored
The FlyGeo_uncensored Management
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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:59:23 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday
09/06/05 5pm
PDT
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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From: "gary"
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican parts
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:34:56 -1000
> Hello everybody,
>
> A friend is parting out his Pelican. I don't have a list of what's
> available yet, but if anyone needs anything then let me know. This may
> include completed items such as the tail assembly, doors, complete
landing
> gear, and possibly a subaru FWF.
>
> Any active builders/flyers here? I just got back from a year away, and
> it's
> good to be able to hop in the Pelican again. Hope all's well with
other
> builders/flyers.
>
> Gary Krysztopik
> Pelican PL - N522GK
> Stratus Subaru EA-81
> Newport, RI
> http://www.prism.net/user/flyink/index.html
> new email address - garyk2(at)cox.net
>
>
>
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Subject: RE: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican parts
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:19:33 -0700
From: "Givan, Max"
Hello
I am building a Pelican and would be very interested in knowing what
your friend would have for sale?
Please advise or put me in touch with them. My email is
max.givan(at)ngc.com, my daytime (work) phone is
(310) 332-0037. I am located in Los Angeles area.
Thanks
Max
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican parts
> Hello everybody,
>
> A friend is parting out his Pelican. I don't have a list of what's
> available yet, but if anyone needs anything then let me know. This
> may include completed items such as the tail assembly, doors, complete
> landing gear, and possibly a subaru FWF.
>
> Any active builders/flyers here? I just got back from a year away,
> and it's good to be able to hop in the Pelican again. Hope all's well
> with other builders/flyers.
>
> Gary Krysztopik
> Pelican PL - N522GK
> Stratus Subaru EA-81
> Newport, RI
> http://www.prism.net/user/flyink/index.html
> new email address - garyk2(at)cox.net
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:43:57 -0400
From: mike macleod
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican parts
Gary:
Welcome back.
You didn't indicate which model your friend is parting out. Is it a
partially
completed kit or a plane with some damage?
I am looking for a spare windshield (Lexan sheet with the upper lip bent-
not the
premoulded one from LP Aeroplastics). I also need the main gear to
fuselage
fairings if they are not cut yet.
I didn't get much flying in this year but the plane still flies like a
dream.
Mike
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From: "gary"
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican parts
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:02:06 -1000
Hi Mike, nice to hear from you. He's got a PL that is built and has
some
damage. I'll fwd your email and get back to you.
gary
> You didn't indicate which model your friend is parting out. Is it a
> partially completed kit or a plane with some damage?
>
> I am looking for a spare windshield (Lexan sheet with the upper lip
bent-
> not the premoulded one from LP Aeroplastics). I also need the main gear
to
> fuselage fairings if they are not cut yet.
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Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:59:26 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums!
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now
available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that
allows
for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the
existing
email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the
most basic
level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the
traditional
way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone
currently
subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS
and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show
up on
the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its
operation.
All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search
Engine
and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of
the
latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of
accessing
the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do
anything
except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look
at
all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or
reply
to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the
BBS. This
is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There
is
a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled
"Register"
to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are
subscribed
to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an
absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use
their full
name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle").
This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I
have enabled
the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an
"avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on!
Thank
you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120.
You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or
both.
Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the
various
Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be
*subscribed*
to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in
operation.
I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List
subscription
page.
I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its
already loaded
up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other
documents
directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email
distributions.
Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email
distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message
pointing
back to the BBS.
And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new
Matronics Email
List BBS is:
http://forums.matronics.com
Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will
be the
dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:51:40 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Six New Email Lists / Forums At Matronics!
Dear Listers,
Its my pleasure to announce the addition of six new Email List / Forums
to the
aviation line up at Matronics! These new lists support all the usual
features
you've come to know and love from the Matronics Email List including full
integration
with the All New Web BBS Forums Site!! The new Lists include:
LycomingEngines-List Textron/Lycoming Engines
RotaxEngines-List Rotax Engine for Aircraft
M14PEngines-List Vendenyev M14P Radial Engine
MurphyMoose-List Murphy Moose Aircraft
Allegro-List Allegro 2000, a Czech-built, Rotax-
powered Aircraft
Falco-List Sequoia Aircraft's Falco Experimental
To sign up for any or all of the new Lists, surf over to the Matronics
Email List
Subscription Form and follow the instructions:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget to check out the All New Web BBS Forum now available along
with all
of the usual message and archive viewing tools at the Matronics Email
Lists
site. Surf over to the following URL for information on the BBS Forum:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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From: "Gary K"
Subject: Pelican-List: pelican pictures
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:52:19 -0500
Hello Pelican owners,
I found this link so I did a search and it found 27 Pelican pictures.
Pretty
cool, I've only seen a small handfull of completed planes. When I went
to Oshkosh
the other year, a guy from Brazil saw my plane and said he and a few
others
owned/flew them in Brazil. I haven't checked where all these are from,
probably
mostly Europe. Anyway, good to look at paint schemes.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search
Gary
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:44:17 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics Email List Wiki!
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a
Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and
browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you
can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without
having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new
page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to
send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog
(weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the
term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for
anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great
many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and
interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called
"Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various
Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from
the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob
Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and
Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site
over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source
for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin
today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found
at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login
account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the
Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could
compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the
"create
an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page.
Note
that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the
content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the
content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and
update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A
WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at
a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share
information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great
information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front
page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal"
and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:07:24 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: doors off flying
terry in melville sask canada here has anyone flown with the doors off
of there pelican ? it gets pretty hot here in summer and i was wondering
if this is possible and what the plane handles like when you do . i
have flown with the hood off to see the diffrences in oil and water
cooling and it handled the same thanks terry
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From: "gary"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: doors off flying
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:30:06 -0500
Hi Terry,
I just moved to TX and have been flying with the doors off a lot. Noisy
but
cool. No noticable handling differences but I haven't done full slips
yet.
Enjoy,
gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry's
Autobody
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: doors off flying
terry in melville sask canada here has anyone flown with the doors off
of there pelican ? it gets pretty hot here in summer and i was wondering
if this is possible and what the plane handles like when you do . i
have flown with the hood off to see the diffrences in oil and water
cooling and it handled the same thanks terry
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:15:52 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics BBS Forums
Hello Listers,
I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the
new-ish
BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for
the Email
Lists. The BBS Forums give you Web-based access into the same email
content
that is generated by the Email Lists. When an email message is posted to
any of the email lists, a copy of the message is also copied to the
respective
List forum section on in the BBS Forums. By the same token, when a
message is
posted within the BBS Forum interface context, it will also be posted to
the
respective email list.
Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the
Matronics
Email List content. Some people prefer email, some prefer web forums;
now you
can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists!
You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_
from the
BBS, but you can view message content without registering for an account.
To
Register for an account, look for the link at the top of the main BBS
Forum
page entitled "Register". Click on it and follow the instructions. Site
Administrator
approval will be required (to keep spammers out), but I will try to
get these approved in less than 24 hours.
If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over
on the
BBS Forum, surf on over and take a peek. Its pretty cool. The URL is:
http://forums.matronics.com
I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the
existing Matronics
Email Lists; another way of viewing and interacting with the Matronics
List
content. If you like Email, great. If you like Web Forums, great. If
you
like both, great. Its up to you how you view and create your content.
You will also find a URL link at the bottom of this email called
Matronics List
Features Navigator. You can click on this link at any time to find URL
links
to all of the other great features available on the Matronics site like
the Archive
Search Engine, List Browse, List Download, FAQs, Wiki, and lots more.
There is a specific Navigator for each Email List and the link for this
specific
List is shown below.
Thanks for all the great list participation and support; it is greatly
appreciated!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:02:29 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki
Reminder!
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These
include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
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continental-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit
on discussions
here.
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lightning-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville
Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can
be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
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Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing
by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the
members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got
some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:52:42 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Enclosure Support
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on
the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity,
capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and
handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on
the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go
through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support
for a few
Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary
to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists
relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have
policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a
fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the
formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a
generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time
and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from
posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited
enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only
increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to
filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security
risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to
posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these
rules could
result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that
there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you
post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on
these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that
allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use
it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.
mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway.
Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your
grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000
members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE
COURTEOUS!
I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please
police
yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures
using
the guidelines I've outlined above.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:40:55 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: windshield for pelican pl
does anyone know the thickness of the polycarbonate used in the pelican
pl windshield mine has stress cracks in the corners and i would like to
make a new one . thanks terry in sask. canada
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From: "gary k"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: windshield for pelican pl
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:23:49 -0500
Hi Terry,
I have the "blown acrylic" option. I can try to measure it tomorrow,
but it came from LP Aeroplastics and I bet they can tell you and give
you a price for a new molded one. I heard (in an LP Aeroplastics forum)
that the key to minimizing cracks is to progressively sand the edges of
the cut windshield smooth right down to a polish. Make sure you take
the extra time to do that on the new one.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry's
Autobody
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: windshield for pelican pl
does anyone know the thickness of the polycarbonate used in the pelican
pl windshield mine has stress cracks in the corners and i would like to
make a new one . thanks terry in sask. canada
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From: "Darryl Braun"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: windshield for pelican pl
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:39:34 -0600
Hey Terry
I just did the exact same thing for the same reason. I used 3mm Lexan
and
it worked out pretty good. You'll need something to heat the Lexan so
you
can bend the edges. A heat gun won't work. I tried it and it makes the
edges very wavy because the edges get longer when they heat up, but the
rest
of the windshield doesn't. Anyway, if you use 3mm, as I did, you'll have
a
bit stronger windshield and you'll need help installing it. It's pretty
stiff and difficult to work with. Make sure when you build the new one
you
file, sand and polish the edges. That way the stress cracks should stay
away. Also make sure you drill the holes a bit larger than the screws to
allow for expansion and contraction of the windshield with different
temperatures. I know that's what caused the cracks in mine.
Good Luck Terry
Darryl Braun
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry's
Autobody
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: windshield for pelican pl
does anyone know the thickness of the polycarbonate used in the pelican
pl windshield mine has stress cracks in the corners and i would like to
make a new one . thanks terry in sask. canada
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Subject: RE: Pelican-List: windshield for pelican pl
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:22:27 -0700
From: "Givan, Max"
Stock LEXAN windshield is .080 inches. I do not believe it is strong
enough - see FAA's bird strike testing -
I recommend rigid plexiglass with at least .125 inches, available thru
Ultravia. Thicker versions up to .250 may still be available thru LP
Aero. I used .187 inche plexiglass which adds about 5.5 Lbs over stock
LEXAN.
Worth it for additional protection in my opinion.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry's
Autobody
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: windshield for pelican pl
-->
does anyone know the thickness of the polycarbonate used in the pelican
pl windshield mine has stress cracks in the corners and i would like to
make a new one . thanks terry in sask. canada
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From: Matt Dralle
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:12:38 -0700
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight...
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a
new Quad-processor
2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI
Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM.
As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest
version of
Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done
for the
migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data
from the
old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of
downtime
for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable
less
if everything goes according to plan.
The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during
the work,
and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade.
Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web
Server,
and List message distribution will function as normal.
This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web
Server
and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance
following
the upgrade!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:49:17 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented...
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the
Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that
will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have
initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set
limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to
the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size
limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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From: "gary"
Subject: Pelican-List: Ultravia
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:02:27 -0500
Hello,
Has anyone heard from the factory lately? I have not been able to
contact them via phone or email for some time and now their website is
down. I know they moved a while ago.
Does anyone have tailwheel hardware? I bought a Matco tailwheel but
never got the other parts.
The last time I talked to Lorraine she said there was a new U.S.
distributor taking the place of Kolb, does anyone know who that is?
Thanks,
Gary Krysztopik
Pelican PL N522GK
San Antonio, TX
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From: "Joe Ronco"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: Ultravia
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:04:08 -0600
GARY: I stopped at the Kolb booth at Oshkosh and was told that Ultravia
had filed for bankruptcy and that Kolb had bought their assets.
Apparently Ultravia was spending a lot of money trying to get the Tudor
certified. In any case, Kolb indicates that they are working on a new
high wing design and will probably use the Pelican wings for it.
This all I know and have not had anything above confirmed, just what I
was told at the Kolb booth.
I would appreciate any new information on Ultravia. I am not an owner
but was looking at them as for a possible PL-600 Sport LSA project.
Regards,
Joe Ronco
Centennial, CO
E-mail: joe(at)halzel.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: Ultravia
Hello,
Has anyone heard from the factory lately? I have not been able to
contact them via phone or email for some time and now their website is
down. I know they moved a while ago.
Does anyone have tailwheel hardware? I bought a Matco tailwheel but
never got the other parts.
The last time I talked to Lorraine she said there was a new U.S.
distributor taking the place of Kolb, does anyone know who that is?
Thanks,
Gary Krysztopik
Pelican PL N522GK
San Antonio, TX
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From: "gary"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: Ultravia
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:12:47 -0500
Joe,
Thanks for the info. I was afraid of that, too bad. I was really
hoping they would make it.
Check www.barnstormers.com for some Pelicans, and a Sport 600 for sale
at
http://www.aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_detail/Ultravia_Pelican_
Sport/1999_-_Ultravia_Pelican_Sport_600/9280.htm
gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Ronco
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: Ultravia
GARY: I stopped at the Kolb booth at Oshkosh and was told that Ultravia
had filed for bankruptcy and that Kolb had bought their assets.
Apparently Ultravia was spending a lot of money trying to get the Tudor
certified. In any case, Kolb indicates that they are working on a new
high wing design and will probably use the Pelican wings for it.
This all I know and have not had anything above confirmed, just what I
was told at the Kolb booth.
I would appreciate any new information on Ultravia. I am not an owner
but was looking at them as for a possible PL-600 Sport LSA project.
Regards,
Joe Ronco
Centennial, CO
E-mail: joe(at)halzel.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: Ultravia
Hello,
Has anyone heard from the factory lately? I have not been able to
contact them via phone or email for some time and now their website is
down. I know they moved a while ago.
Does anyone have tailwheel hardware? I bought a Matco tailwheel but
never got the other parts.
The last time I talked to Lorraine she said there was a new U.S.
distributor taking the place of Kolb, does anyone know who that is?
Thanks,
Gary Krysztopik
Pelican PL N522GK
San Antonio, TX
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:56:43 -0600
From: Terry Body
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/09/06
i am probably behind the times but is it confirmed that ultravia has
filed for
bankcruptcy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pelican-List Digest Server
Date: Sunday, September 10, 2006 0:56 am
Subject: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/09/06
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> of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> version
> of the Pelican-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
> editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/pelican-list/Digest.Pelican-
> List.2006-09-09.html
>
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>
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From: "gary"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/09/06
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:31:00 -0500
Yessir, I've heard and read it many times. The New Kolb Aircraft (US
ultralight manufacturer - http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/ has purchased
all tooling and design rights, and may be using the wing on a new LSA
design of theirs. They do not expect to be continuing of supporting the
Pelican kits but that is not final or official.
Not good for us owners and I feel bad for Jean Rene and Lorraine and the
rest of Ultravia. I was hoping that they would make it thru
certification.
gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Body
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/09/06
i am probably behind the times but is it confirmed that ultravia has
filed for bankcruptcy.
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:57:51 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists...
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the
Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your
displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to
"matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:34:24 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued
operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through these sole
Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows
on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums
site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site (
http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List
Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse (
http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in
a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy -
namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every
few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. Each message will
generally
highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or
detail
a new feature or service that was added this year. I ask for your
patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of
the
bills associated with running these lists.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go
along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been
provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics
Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric
Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware
Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the
Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of
HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related
product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their
generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All
three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys
really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:07:00 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum?
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was
the addition
of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:
http://forums.matronics.com
The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the
Classic
email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both
directions.
If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to
the respective
Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!
So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email
distribution
or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!
Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE
Contributions
that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!
The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and
make your
Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:12:22 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the
Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a
Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made
a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for
the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone
that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas
for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but
also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily
Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note
that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests,
List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure
to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to
determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution"
messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics
Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what
is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had
along with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support
your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:12:00 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A
Contribution Yet!
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-
like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system
selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and
upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email
inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted
to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was
always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just
kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and
put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A
working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one
of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that
enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List
Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet
connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear
running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other
Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the
Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List
site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:28:05 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Clarification On New Contribution Module
Operation...
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made
a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code
specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their
Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address
you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't
tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email
address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have
any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this
is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT
the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email
addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply
to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will
manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:12:22 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Wiki...
Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier
this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of
Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise
edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for
registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the
collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site
(an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-
specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any
aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do
not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to
ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But
once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore.
If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information
unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss
proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or
revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer
the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get
annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted
answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is
useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just
writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available
immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem!
Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover
something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building,
flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry.
Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If
it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether
some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post
anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a
resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone
encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as
good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they
want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt
anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other
people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting
place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics
Email List
features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List
Fund
Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your
qualifying
Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued
operation and
upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:38:42 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: WLAS [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the
nice comments
List Members have been including along with their Contributions this
year.
I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very
nice
things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
are to them.
I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over
some
of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree
with at
least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that
do,
won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its
fast
and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser
Squelch*
feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my
"Please
Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*!
How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your
Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is
how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the
wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
-Owen B
I love The Matronics...
-Robeto B
My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
-Hal B
These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
-Bob R
The best source of information for my a/c.
-Tony C
The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
-Herbert H
You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known
about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are
still an after-the-fact resource.
-Ben B
..an excellent site.
-Ashley M
The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith
CH 701 project!!
-Brian U
I appreciate the list being here for me.
-Geoff H
..a great service.
-William C
The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
-David M
Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
-Thomas S
..a great service.
-Robert W
The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
-Benjamin W
The Yak-list is Awesome!
-James S
..great service.
-Robert S
The features you have implemented recently have you poised
to knock out yahoo groups...
-Danny D
I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
-Ken E
..great service.
-David P
Very useful web site.
-Wayne E
..a very valuable service.
-Chris D
Great sites...
-Randall R
I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so
cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
-Wayne E
Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
-Fergus K
The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the
donation...
-Lee P
..great service!
-Christopher D
I really don't think I could be building my plane without the
wisdom I find on this list.
-William G
It really makes building a pleasure.
-James P
..great service.
-Doug W
I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
-Stanislaus S
Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you.
-Jim G
Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
-Michael S
..good service.
-Derek L
The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
and educating me in the process.
-Jeff D
Definitely worth the donation.
-Ron L
..great service to the aviation community.
-Tony P
I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still
get valuable information from this service.
-Don N
A very helpful site.
-Roland S
It's a great community to be part of.
-David L
Great sites.
-John C
A great place to find and share not only information but to
meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
-Uncle Craig
Great facility.
-Peter H
Its a great source of information!
-Michael W
Great improvements to the List...
-Edward A
Great service!!!
-Rich D
..great resource!
-William C
..excellent lists!
-Michael S
Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
-Warren M
..a great service...
-James N
I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the
building of my Europa.
-Svein J
..another great year.
-Robert D
..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
-David A
..excellent service.
-Gregory B
I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
and look forward to it every day!
-Smith M
..a great communication tool...
-Jon M
Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
your great list!
-Lothar K
..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto
place for my RV questions.
-Mike D
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:52:11 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: LOC
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List
seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show
others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little
comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:39:33 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Value...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of
you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or
0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same
amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and
viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and
support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible
exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:10:09 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Why? [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the
opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior
experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual
support
from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I
can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those
annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or
other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the
years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go'
banter
once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits
over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I
believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of
these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous
attachments
stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share
feature
that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and
everyone
can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus
before
they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the
extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The
Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue
in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members
who prefer
the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums
is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via
email. Messages
posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures
and
other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that
allows
members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts,
documenting various
aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also
building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists
and
an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!!
Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email
messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value
in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing
and
improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it
shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki
sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use,
appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:01:23 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your
Lists...
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please
make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:46:13 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: More Great List Comments - Please Make A
Contribution!
Dear Listers,
There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund
Raiser. I thought
it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There
are
some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have
a
look at some of them.
Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution
Squelch kicks
in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund
Raiser
this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for
technical
reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the
Squelch
will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution
messages
will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).
Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick
up a
great Gift too!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Tackling my project without the List would be like
building on a deserted island. The List has made me
part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W
Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
wonderful resource available. -Geoff T
..you do a great service for the flying community by
providing this service. -John L
..solidly administered. -James C
A great source of information. -Ralph S
The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F
..exceptional user service. -Larry W
Better than a magazine! -Aaron G
Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
my project. Without the help of the great people on
your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G
I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
these lists! -Ralph C
..valuable service. -John F
..a well administered service. -Stewart C
Great forum! -Ronald C
A great service! -Andy H
Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good
work and as necessary to me as a rivet. -Albert G
The lists are a great help. -Gary S
This resource has been critical to my building success
so far. -Timothy F
Great system and support! -Richard P
Very helpful in the building my CH 701. -Ralph S
Another year of entertainment and pleasure! -Larry B
A great resource for all of us. -Larry W
Another year of great service! Once again, the
information is worth more than I can ever contribute.
Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters.
I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an
friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories
to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to
gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the
beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the
flyer's success... -Robert B
Our list has great info and I love reading the
"Flame Posts! " -Stephen M
Great service! -James B
Excellent source of information. -David P
You provide a very valuable service to the aviation
community. -David H
The RV related lists have been a tremendous help in the
construction of my RV-7... -Norman R
Awesome list!! -John E
Great bunch of guys and very knowledgeable! -Herbert G
Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch
with my fellow RV-10 builders. -David J
I love the list and have been a reader for a long
time. -James V
Continues to be a great service! -George A
Awesome List server. -Deke M
Many of us would never finish our airplanes without
[the List]. With it, I'm getting close! -Ronald C
An excellent source of both information and
inspiration! -William R
Forums and format are easy to use. -Jack B
Great help with my kit building. -Ralph H
Super service. -Richard N
Still loving it. -Jared S
You have a fantastic web! -Harvey R
..a great service. -James M
Glad you are there... -David A
I get some great information on your list. -John P
Fantastic service. Couldn't have made it as far
as I have without it. -Stephen T
A great learning experience with my RV-6A. -Ron B
Great resources! -Jason H
Well done. Very valuable. -Jeffrey D
Great resource for the experimental aircraft
community. -Chris H
This List has been one of the most helpful tools in
building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not
have any help readily available. Without the List,
I could not have embarked on building my RV-10. -Jim H
You run a great list there. -James H
Really like the Kolb List. -Don W
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:36:13 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure
You're Listed!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December
1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the
Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments,
the List
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a
typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after
all? :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by droping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a
little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:40:27 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"?
[Please Read]
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been
working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in
computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in
web
development and CGI design during this period.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV
builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of
aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services
such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own
servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched
network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam
filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon
Linux
server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system
dedicated to
the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving
as a
remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line
hard
drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be
upgraded
to over 6 Terra Bytes! This entire system is protected by three large,
commercial-grade
uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are
available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine
how much
electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month this Summer,
I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including
new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the
Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. This year I added another rack to
house
the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before
the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am
dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before,
I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists.
It
is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you...
and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members
make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of
this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:24:45 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...)
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-
)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-
spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today
to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to further the List operation and keep the bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your
name is
on it! :-)
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It
is greatly
appreciated.
List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 00:24:10 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the
Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had
regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a
labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores
the great
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund
Raiser please
feel free to do so. The nice List gifts will be available on the site
for
just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get
your
great gift. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises (
http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP (
http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric (
http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during
this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These
are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each
and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul,
Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of
Contributors current
as of 12/7/06! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you
enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to
have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be
shipped
via US Postal Service. Kitlog Pro serial numbers should go out via email
this
weekend.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:05:44 -0600
From: "Terry's Autobody"
Subject: Pelican-List: parts
i have not been monitoring the pelican list for quite some time and was
wondering if anyone has anymore imformation on a distributor for kits or
parts? i was also wondering what is required to put the pelican onto
floats? any imformation would be appreciated . terry in melville
saskatxhewan canada
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From: "gary"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: parts
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:24:40 -0600
Hi terry,
Kolb bought the rights to the pelican. Website and article pasted
below. They are not showing the new plane at sebring this week, they
are planning on showing it at SNF in april.
There was a guy that made the amphibious floats for ultravia near the
factory. If you can contact him, he may still make them. I may be able
to get contact info but don't have any info myself. There are a number
of other float manufacturers that may be able to help rig them if you
bought from them.
gary
http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/
The acquisition of Ultravia allowed us to consolidate our knowledge base
and start on a platform that was already known for its flight
characteristics. In April 2005, The New Kolb Aircraft Co. has formed a
strategic alliance with Flyer Indstria Aeronutica Ltda., an aircraft
manufacturer located in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Flyer is producing aircrafts
for the past 30 years and was at the origin of the ultralight aircraft
Flyer GT. Today, Flyer counts more than 150 employees spread between 3
production plants for which one is located at the municipal airport of
Americana in the State of Sao Paulo.
The development of the Kolb Flyer Super Sport is a joint venture between
Kolb and Flyer. Our association will allow us to deliver in the USA an
aircraft designed and produced with the highest standards of quality.
The aircraft will be featuring a wider fuselage, larger door opening,
increased leg room, electric Fowler flaps, Frise ailerons, a wet wing,
a draped formed canopy and a cargo door.
The lift strut will attach behind the doors to ease cockpit access and
the fuselage will be made entirely with carbon fiber using the latest
infusion technology.
We are planning in introducing the aircraft at Sebring Air show in
January 2007
Return to previous page
Please stay tunned as more information will follow shortly.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry's
Autobody
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: Pelican-List: parts
i have not been monitoring the pelican list for quite some time and was
wondering if anyone has anymore imformation on a distributor for kits or
parts? i was also wondering what is required to put the pelican onto
floats? any imformation would be appreciated . terry in melville
saskatxhewan canada
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From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:55:03 EST
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Pelican sun fun
at sun fun several years ago I saw the pelican go in the ditch, I helped
the
widow and her sun pack up and go back east I hardly new the pilot and
only
met his widow as we weighted for the ambulance and police to take us to
the
hospital. I have been a volunteer 15 years at sun & fun by far that was
the
worst job I have ever had.the survivor a teenager grandson of a
volunteer has
had a real hard time dealing with the crash his leg and ankle healed
but he
was never the same mal kolb and kitfox and float pilot
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From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:16:21 EST
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: what is up with the
what is hapening with the inporting of the pelican? any body know
anything
about the guy that drive it into the ditch at sun fun 3 years agow ??
mal
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From: "gary"
Subject: RE: Pelican-List: what is up with the
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:32:19 -0600
what is hapening with the inporting of the pelican?
- Kolb is supposed to introduce it at Sun'N'Fun. Watch their website
for news.
any body know anything about the guy that drive it into the ditch at
sun fun 3 years agow ?? mal
- the reports said that the wind shifted and everyone was
taking off downwind. That makes a short runway a lot shorter.
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From: "gary"
Subject: Pelican-List: new Pelican, spins
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:59:54 -0500
Anybody still here?
I see that Kolb is offering the new Pelican -
http://www.tnkolbaircraft.com/
Does anyone know if the Pelican PL was ever spin tested? Anyone spin
it?
Thanks,
gary
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From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:39:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: new Pelican, spins
I wonder I think that Big John is still monitoring this sight And the
kolb
guy's also I had a good time at seabase worked all week but didn't see
any
kolbs there. Malcolm Michigan
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:46:48 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics
Forums!
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all
of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the
Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of
suggested
spellings.
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:32:59 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
Month!
Dear Listers,
You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or
spam
from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for
example:
The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com
The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com
The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search
This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was
completely about
the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising!
But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't
free and
a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class
Internet
connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to
advertising
to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and
every time you read an email message or browse the their web site.
Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial
bombardment,
I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to
support
the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely
through
the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to
be
possible!
During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message
every few
days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month
throughout
these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-)
To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I
implemented
a new feature late last year specifically related to making
Contributions. If
you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the
online
web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund
Raiser!
There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies
to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that.
Additionally, the
messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order,
however,
once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the
Fund
Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the
squelch
will take effect once the check is received.
There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this
year! When
you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free
gifts
that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided
through
the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters
including:
Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great
products to
offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser.
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From
the Contribution
site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this
year
in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to
scroll
all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's
available!
Please make a List Support Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support!
Your Contributions
truely keep this operation afloat!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Forum Administrator
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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 00:12:45 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
month. I've
got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really
something
for everyone!
Please make a Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:17:36 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Listers Are Saying...
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been
sending some
really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few
below.
The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the
bills for
new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous
support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of
the List
and Forums:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying ================
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind!
Gregory C.
..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:35:53 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A
Contribution Yet!
:-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the
Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year
to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email
inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it
was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code,
that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite
the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later,
bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual
Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also
goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather
huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally
which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the
utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other
Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the
Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List
site.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There
are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or
when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the
Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no
simple way
to filter them.]
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:42:15 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam...
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics
Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few
duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the
Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam
filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages
starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a
bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the
backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the
filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working
great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be
back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that
I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly
enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of
that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:12:25 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List of Contributors
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List
seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show
others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:15:22 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of
you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or
0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and
get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come
to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and
support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible
exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:07:35 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your
Lists...
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please
make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:09:53 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the
opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior
experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual
support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those
annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or
other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the
years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go'
banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits
over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I
believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of
these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous
attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus
before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a
number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the
extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The
Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue
in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that
allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The
beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content
that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted
to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another
convenient method of sharing pictures and other files
(http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List
Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of
sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share (
http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also
building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists
and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!!
Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year,
accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value
in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it
shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki
sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use,
appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:13:13 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving.
Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in
generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been
bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful
they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all
of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says
something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning
coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each
morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists
and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:24:58 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Comments
Dear Listers,
Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along
with their
Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your
Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services.
Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded.
It is
solely through your generosity that they continue.
Please make a Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
------------------------------What Listers Are Saying--------------------
----------
The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.
George R
Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
to gather and share knowledge.
Neal G
What a fantastic resource!
Ralph C
It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited
resource of personal knowledge.
Bruce G
A full house of Info & Ideas...
Ellery B
I really enjoy the Piet list.
Steven D
The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us
building OBAM aircraft.
Bret S
..a great service.
Frank D
..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific
questions.
Richard S
Your list has really helped me in my first build.
Michael W
Always a pleasure to support this great resource...
Richard W
I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial.
Bob L
Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers.
Ellery B
Your lists are a great service to builders and owners!
Richard D
A real good place for someone that is starting to get
interested into flying without investing any money at
first.
Ellery B
The list has been an great help to my building process.
David B
I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and
the Zenith List.
Jeff D
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:05:37 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors
Published
Dec 1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December
1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the
Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments,
these Lists
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a
typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after
all?
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little
comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:02:21 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This
Matt Dralle?
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been
working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in
computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in
web
development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded
system
development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV
builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of
aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services
such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own
servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched
network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam
filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux
server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the
email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-
based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is
protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems
that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these
systems. One
month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including
new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the
Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to
house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into
the first
rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the
addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am
dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before,
I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It
is
supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and
you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members
make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of
this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels
too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:28:59 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Wow! A Ton of Comments!
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their
List Support
Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over
some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and
Forums.
There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this
year's Fund
Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued
upgrade
and operation of these services.
There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive
selection
and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much
appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives.
The fact that you do it at a very good level of service,
quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We
all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Bruce M
Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even
when I am overseas.
Terry W
Best list ever. No comparison.
Johann J
I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each
morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell
you how much I've learned from this great service...
Mark S
..great lists, best on the Net!
Robert S
It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list.
Ken L
You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's
lots of help out there for the asking, and it's
appreciated.
Steve T
The list is a very valuable resource.
Thomas S
You run a good list.
James G
Thanks for a great forum.
Jimmy Y
Thanks for a well-maintained list(s).
Michael M
Great job! Worth every penny!
Stephen T
Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I
didn't know.
Martin H
I find the list very useful...
Robert F
What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion
of my life, aviation.
Wendell M
..the list it is very valuable information.
Dwayne H
..a great service to homebuilders.
Andrew H
I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I
have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way
it works.
Ron L
[The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of
help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated.
Steve T
The list service many purposes, not the least of which is
motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project
and getting in the air.
John S
Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its
greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful
without it.
Timothy F
..terrific service to experimental and general aviation.
James F
You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what
you do.
Mark S
A wonderful service to the GA community.
David M
Great list - let's keep it ad-free!
Ben C
They have been of great help, learning and friendship
for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a
little idea that grew really big and wonderful.
Gary G
..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List.
John W
A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!!
Dwayne Y
This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource
for the Pietenpol enthusiast.
Graham H
Thanks for running this great site - helps those of
us on the east of the pond keep in touch.
Malcolm H
Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing
education program.
Oldbob S
I'm just getting started in the building process & find
Matronics to be the most valuable site.
Scott D
Without the information and encouragement from the listers
my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop
collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final
assemble and covering.
Edward G
Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it
going.
Rick E
Wonderful source of info for building & flying...
Graham H
The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to
questions on the operation of these aircraft.
Craig W
This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is
very much appreciated.
Jim S
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:20:17 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just Two Days Left...
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over
all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week
for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the
last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on
the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your
Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:13:42 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund
Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th
birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its
that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!
If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are
available
this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on
one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it
off, then
now is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll
probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy
that,
er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this
operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the
same.
The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by
making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:03:00 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of
Contributors
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the
Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had
regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a
labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the
great sentiments
people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund
Raiser please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available
on
the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make
your
Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the
Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP (
http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric (
http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during
this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted
merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and
I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products.
Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of
Contributors current
as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you
enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to
have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be
shipped
via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Subject: Pelican-List: Ballard Sport Aircraft Ltd
From: "jpollard"
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:19:58 -0800
New website for the new Pelican manufacturer
http://ballardsportaircrafts.com/pages/bsa_home_2008.html
Ballard Sport Aircraft Ltd.
2696 du Pimbina,
Sherbrooke, Qc
Canada J1R 0G3
Tl: 819 563-5847
Fax: 819 829-5677
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont[/code]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168524#168524
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:04:43 -0500
From: gary
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: Ballard Sport Aircraft Ltd
Thanks for the info Jim, great news!
gary
jpollard wrote:
>
> New website for the new Pelican manufacturer
>
>
> http://ballardsportaircrafts.com/pages/bsa_home_2008.html
>
>
> Ballard Sport Aircraft Ltd.
> 2696 du Pimbina,
> Sherbrooke, Qc
> Canada J1R 0G3
> Tl: 819 563-5847
> Fax: 819 829-5677
>
>
> Jim Pollard
> Merlin Ont[/code]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168524#168524
>
>
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:52:38 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup!
Dear Listers,
I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup
today. These
include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics
List
Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest
to you:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available.
Rans-List:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rans-List
RV12-List
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:51:42 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Four New Email Lists At Matronics!!
Dear Listers,
I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These
include the
following categories:
Citabria-List Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ
Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601
Zenith640-List Zenair Zodiac CH 640
Zenith701801-List Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801
All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse,
Digest, Archives,
Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...:
Citabria:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list
Zenith601:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list
Zenith640:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith640-list
Zenith701801:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith701801-list
To subscribe, go to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
To check the new Lists out on the Matronics Forum go here:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Subject: Pelican-List: Re: Four New Email Lists At Matronics!!
From: "Stefan"
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:41:30 -0700
Thanks,
How about a Zenith 750 list or adding the CH750 to the 701801 list?
Would be nice.
Thanks,
Stefan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7986#207986
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 00:21:11 -0700
From: dralle(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pelican-List: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued
operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through soley
through the
Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows
on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums
site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site (
http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List
Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), List Browse (
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in
a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy -
namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every
few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your
patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of
the
bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution
counts.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go
along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been
provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics
Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric
Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's
Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP
(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related
product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their
generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All
three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys
really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:02:43 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Contribution Site URL Clarification
Dear Listers,
In my List Fund Raiser kickoff email last night, I mistyped the URL for
the *initial*
Contribution web site and couple of people reported receiving SSL
certificate
errors. The actual payment entry pages where were correct, however, so
there were no certificate issues that impacted payment data. I'm sorry
for the
confusion.
Please use the following URL to start your List Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:17:16 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your
Lists...
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please
make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your
qualifying
Contribution too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:19:44 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of
sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List
member makes
a
Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will
instantly
cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month!
Its
just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual
Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and
software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for
the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill
to
keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run
all of
the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to
control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably
and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other
Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't
stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the
Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List
sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a
Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via
the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:21:53 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Reminder
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The
Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are
provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the
Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and
running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:20:05 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A
Contribution
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List
seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show
others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:20:34 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and
Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the
November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation
and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your
Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site
here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:05:10 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%...
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year
in terms
of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted
per
day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these
Lists
and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund
Raiser.
Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to
keep
these Lists up and running?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:46:39 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good
question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables.
It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when
accessing
List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software
upgrades
enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the
Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for 19+ years worth of online
archive
data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the
many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom
applications
that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine,
Forums,
Wiki and PhotoShare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you
and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How
many
places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these
valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its
one of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:17:38 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Members Are Saying...
Dear Listers,
November is the Annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are
supported solely
through your generous Contributions during this time. Please make your
Contribution
today and pick up a really nice free gift at this same time:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Listers have been including some really nice comments regarding what the
Lists
mean to them along with their Contributions this year. I've included a
few of
them below. Please read them over and see if some perhaps echo your
feelings
as well.
Thank you for your support this year!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Best bargain in the entire industry!!
-Owen B
Every year your lists are better, sure #1 in e-mail list in the world.
-Gary G
Thank you for an awesome site!
-Ashley M
Your lists are important to me and well worth paying for.
-Calvin A
Thank you for providing such and informative and ad free environment
to learn by.
-Myron H
As always, a valuable and extremely useful resource.
Stephen T
As always, a great service.
-Reade G
Very much appreciate this site and the communications it has
enabled between builders.
-Larry M
This service is worth every penny.
-Robert S
Great site! Thanks a ton for its functionality!
-Peter B
The RV-10 list feels like my community.
-Dave S
The lists are fantastic, a great source!
-Jimmy Y
I've learned a lot from the List.
-Gabriel F
A wonderful resource.
-Gerald G
Well done.
-Richard N
Years of good service.
-William M
Valuable service.
-Keith H
The site is quite helpful.
-Jon M
Very interesting List that I read form the beginning.
-Alain L
A well managed site.
-Carl B
Great service.
-Svein Kare J
Still the most useful program on the computer.
-Fergus K
Great contribution to my project!
-Robert K
Thanks for keeping a great list.
-Dt G
The List continues to provide excellent information.
-Tony C
This is a wonderful resource that has easily saved me a bunch on
my build-time.
-Ralph C
Thank you for providing a great service. The Zenith builder's community
would be in sad shape without the Zenith-List's.
-Terrence P
I really do get pleasure out of reading the List every day.
-Bill V
Great source of information.
-Arthur V
Thanks for a great service. Very enjoyable.
-Louis B
You know we all could not do without your support!!
-James S
Great resource!
-Douglas D
Thanks for the great service.
-John B
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:24:42 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...?
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this
year is
currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%! I'm hoping that
everyone
is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-)
Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep
these Lists
up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want
to
support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding
advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to
have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere
here and
I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the
continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have
already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:51:36 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: LOC
Dear Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List
seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show
others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little
comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:28:52 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Value of the List...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of
you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20
or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that
for a
subscription to some lame magazine or even just a single dinner out.
Isn't the
List worth at least that much to you?
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and
support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible
exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:07:50 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just A Few More Days...
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser.
There are
some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and
there's
plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that
keeps
the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room
AC cooling!
If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please
take
a minute right now to make your personal Contribution?
Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:14:37 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List
Contribution Today!
There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund
Raiser.
Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this
year and
make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008!
Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or
PayPal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by sending your personal check to:
Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
(Please write your email address on the check!)
Thank you in advance for your support of these List services!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email and Forum Administrator
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:23:08 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Listers Have Been Saying
Wow! Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year
have been
using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists.
Thank
you! I have included a number of them below. Please read over a few and
see
if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value
of the
Lists to you...
There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser
and we're
still way behind previous years. If you've been waiting until the last
minute
to show your support, Now is the Time! Please make your Contribution and
pick
up a great gift at the same time!
By Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or By Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you in advance!!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with
their
personal Contributions this year...
Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has
saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by
helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with
low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to
the typical head scratchers that you run into.
Kevin H
Valuable service. Best List(s) on the Internet!
George A
Please accept this token not as an indicator of what
this list has been worth to me this past year.
Lew G
Great information and entertainment.
Tim V
Thanks again for another great year of service. This
project would be beyond me if it were not for the list.
Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their
weight in GOLD!
Robert B
Great support you provide to all the subscribers!
Freddie H
Read it every day.
PF B
Thanks for your excellent management of the Matronics
Lists! Your services are head and shoulders above the
rest.
James M
Without the "List", there would be no Kolb "community".
Bill T
Thanks, Matt, for a great service! I've been monitoring
and using the lists since 1999.
Richard D
Thanks for such a terrific site and for all the work and
effort you put into it.
John R
A great service year after year.
John D
..another year of fantastic service.
Jerry B
This list is a great resource.
Arden A
Great list.
James M
Lists were a great help while building HRII N561FS.
John S
Great resources for both the beginner and experienced.
George R
Good service.
Gary G
The List is an invaluable resource!
William C
AeroElectric list is a great source of info and learning!
Janice J
Thank you, Matt for being there for us making it all happen
on the List for so many years - Great JOB!
Sam S
Thank you for providing a great venue. You definitely hit
the nail on the head with your solicitation asking if
readers look forward to receiving the email digests. I
certainly do and when I move from a dreamer to a builder, I
expect the anticipation will only increase.
Joe S
Thanks for a Perfect working list.
Hans-Peter R
Great List
Bryan K
Such a great selection of valuable forums!
David G
Nice job!
Walt E
Good resource...
Robert P
Thank you for another great year!
Scott S
I could not do this without you...
Robert D
I believe I've been a list member for over a decade
now. Thanks for the service!
Tim L
Great List
Hendrik W
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:08:23 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means three things:..
1) Today I am now officially 45 years old...
2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund
Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole
year!
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-
spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today
to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to keep the List bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week so make sure your
name is
on it!
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It
is greatly
appreciated.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:23:56 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List of Contributors 2008
Dear Listers,
This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone
that
so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics
Email
List and Forum operation. Your generosity keeps the wheels on this cart
and I
truly appreciate the many kind words of encouragement and financial
reimbursement.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund
Raiser, please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available
on the Contribution site for a little while longer, so hurry and make
your Contribution
today and still get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the
Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (
http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric (
http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during
this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted
merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and
I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products.
Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2008 List of
Contributors current
as of 12/7/08! Have a look at this list of names as *these* are the
people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you
enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund
Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2008.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts around the end of December. In
most cases,
gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:13:45 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
During November!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued
operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely
through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are
possible. There is NO advertising to support the Lists. You might have
noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on
the Matronics Email List email messages and web site pages such as the
Matronics List Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), the List Wiki (
http://wiki.matronics.com), or other related pages such as the List
Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), the List Browser (
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in
a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy -
namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every
couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your
patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. Your personal
Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go
along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been
provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics
Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric
Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's
Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP
(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related
product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their
generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All
three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:32:42 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: November List Fund Raiser
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of
sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List
member makes
a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will
instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the
month!
Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual
Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It
also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge
electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally
which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the
utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other
Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't
stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the
Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List
sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a
Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via
the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:07:38 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Reminder
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The
Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are
provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the
Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and
running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 00:22:05 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and
Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the
November
Fund
Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation
and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your
Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site
here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:22:39 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A
Contribution
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for
the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List
seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show
others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:05:50 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:15:30 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Some Very Nice Comments...
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their
List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them
over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and
operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive
selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much
appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
Few things in life bring more usefulness than the List. This
is worth every penny!
Stephen T.
I have enjoyed the list for way too many years, but continue
to get closer to flying my project with the help of listers.
C.L.
Thanks for this List. It's been a great source of encouragement
and information.
Arden A.
Great service!
Gerald T.
It's always interesting reading the lists and I've gotten some
good help from the issues and answers there.
Steve T.
Been a member of the List for 12 years. Keep up the good work.
John H.
Great Site!
Harry M.
Great source of information...
Martin H.
Thanks for providing this great service!
Jeff P.
I continue to get and give information through these lists.
Ralph C.
This is a wonderful resource!
Warren H.
This is what inernet was meant for, sharing information and
experience. Michael W.
Thanks for making such a good list!
Fred D.
Thanks for running a great service!
Michael F.
I really appreciate it.
Dan H.
Thanks for the great service.
Michael L.
Thanks for maintaining this great resource.
John C.
Your sites have been a great resourses and an introduction
to many competent aircraft designers and fabricators.
Jon M.
Thanks for all that you do to maintain the Matronics forums
and for the personal help that you have been to me in
answering my questions regarding the use of the forums.
William B.
[The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and
make my systems better. Ralph C.
The Universe is a better place because of you.
Eric J.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:14:26 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Contributions Down By 21%...
Dear Listers,
As of today, contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging
behind
last year at this time by 21%. I have a fund raiser each year simply to
cover
my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income
to support the Lists and rely solely on the contributions of members to
keep the
expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the
Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address
space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-
related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists
and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server
in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant
amount of
my personal time as well. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these
costs
and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my
investments,
make a modest contribution each year to support the continued operation
and
upgrade of these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a contribution today. I also offer
some incentive
gifts for larger contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for
the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:15:53 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good
question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It
provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when
accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades
enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I
really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant
random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as
the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you
and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How
many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these
valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its
one
of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:14:53 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year...
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser!
Response
has been very good, but still well behind last year. If you've been
waiting until
the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great
gift, now might be good time to show your support!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on
the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your
Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:06:33 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors
Published
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I
post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the
Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little
comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:09:10 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List
Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a
few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year.
Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but
hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely
the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as
there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use
a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to
support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:09:20 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving.
Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in
generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been
bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful
they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all
of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says
something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning
coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each
morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists
and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:22:15 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...
Even though the number of List subscriptions and List posts are up
significantly
this year compared to last year, support during this year's List Fund
Raiser
has been woefully lagging from last year. There are only a couple more
days
left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many
members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund
raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid on the List
service expenses,
I will have to look into some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen!
Your personal contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the
operation
a float. The lunch combo at Carl's Jr costs nearly $10 these days.
Isn't
the List worth at least as much as a couple of burgers?
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors
published in
December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:04:36 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By
12%...
Dear Listers,
This year's List Fund Raiser is still trailing last year by a 12% margin.
If you
like the ad-free environment that is the Matronics Email List and Forum
experience,
please make a quick Contribution to keep it that way!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I've been getting a ton of really nice comments from Contributors
regarding the
Lists. Please read over some of them below and see if they don't
resonate with
you as well.
Thank you in advance for your generous contribution to support these
Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
--------------------------- Member Feedback ----------------------------
ur web site is a real institution of the whole Experimental
Aircraft subculture.
John G
Thanks Matt for the lists. A lot of good info. Great bunch
of list members. Great videos and no SPAM.
Paul C
It has been a valuable tool.
Troy M
..appreciate the site as much as ever.
Larry M
By using various forums I've learned a ton, received great
advice, made friends, and saved money!
Craig W
Since I've finished [my project], I've not had much to do as
far as fabrication of electrical systems. However,
selectively reading various topics is still very valuable
and Bob's insights and new how to's make me a continuous
subscriber.
Larry F
Matronics user groups are the best tool I have for learning
to build my RV-10!
Philip W
There is always useful knowledge to be found on this list,
and I suspect that it has kept quite a few people out of
trouble over the years it has been in operation. Good
entertainment, too.
Graham H
Great web site. I wish I'd known about it while building.
Bob S
I'm happy to provide some support to this list. It is very
helpful.
Vaughn T
Good service to sport aviation!!
Roger B
Awesome Service you provide for us!
Bill R
My [project] is almost finished! However, it wouldn't be
close without the [this] group.
Douwe B
Great list.
Robert S
I'm not a builder yet but learning lots from the list.
Peter M
Some nonsense, some humor, but mostly good information.
Tony C
Thanks for creating and keeping the Lists. They are
entertaining and always informative!
John M
Thanks for this valuable resource to our community.
Barry H
The list is IMHO the greatest resource on the net.
John B
Thanks again for providing another year of your useful
List service.
Jerry B
Great site indeed, every time I get a message I usually
learn something.
Peter B
You are making a huge contribution to the builder fraternity
and in no small way enhancing sport aviation safety.
Richard G
The List is the SINGLE, MOST IMPORTANT resource I have in
building my RV10. I would be lost without out it. And I
have made a bunch of new friends as well!
Les K
The lists are one of the things I really enjoy, so keep
up the good work.
Freddie H
Every year -- the best value for my time and money!
Owen B
This list is a major contribution to safe building!
Donald K
Really enjoy the daily boost it gives me.
Walter S
In the last 18 months I have been privileged to listen &
ask. I have learnt at the feet of the masters...
Stewart G
You set the standard on how Internet forums should be run
and managed.
Larry W
The Universe is a better place because of you.
Eric J
[The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and
make my systems better. I continue to get and give
information through these lists.
Ralph C
..another GREAT year of advice, answers, and inspiration
courtesy of the Lists and your hard work!!!!
Rob B
..the best forum on the Internet!
Robert B
I can't tell you how grateful I am for your list and your
subscribers to keep me up to date and holding the dream.
Ashley M
This page makes it easy to contribute.
Jeffrey P
Thank you for your expertise in creating & running the
much useful lists!
Anthony P
Thanks for providing our advertising free on line community.
George R
Thanks for maintaining the equipment and software to
provide this valuable source of information to us
individuals. Your effort is appreciated by many more people
than you realize.
Ross H
Thanks for a great site. Although the project is complete
and flying I still get a wealth of information from all
the messages.
Marcus C
Only learned about you six months ago...my RV-7A is just
finished, but the list has been helpful. Wish I had
discovered you sooner.
Jack B
This is an invaluable communications media for us
common minded folks to exchange technical and other
information.
George H
..great service that you provide.
David W
..still appreciate your list.
Alain L
[The] Lists are an invaluable resource. I know that it has
helped me enormously in my project.
William B
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:17:36 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund
Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or
worse, its
my 46th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of
the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of the
really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution,
then now
is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been
putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll
probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this
operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our
habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:12:50 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: 2009 List of Contributors
Dear Listers,
The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a
couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors.
Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums
possible.
Their generous
contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the
same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, Andy, and John for their generous support
through
the supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great
products and
I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
John Caldwell - HowToCrimp - www.howtocrimp.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2009 Fund Raiser List of
Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2009.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 00:13:25 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued
operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the
Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO
advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous
lack
of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List
email messages
and web site pages including:
* Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com
* Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com
* Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search
* Matronics List Browser
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a
List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and
not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every
couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your
patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal
Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go
along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been
provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics
Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection
http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com
* Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP
http://www.homebuilthelp.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related
product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their
generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a
qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder and Flyer
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:18:13 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: November List Fund Raiser
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser
messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution
through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, they will instantly cease to receive
these
Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple.
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual
Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It
also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge
electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally
which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the
utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other
Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't
stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the
Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List
sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a
Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via
the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 00:12:14 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Reminder
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The
Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the
Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and
running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:18:30 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and
Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the
November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation
and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your
Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site
here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:18:37 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please
Make A Contribution
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List
seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical
magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you
appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using
your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little
comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:07:32 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Support The Lists...
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
_________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:02:25 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make A Contribution...
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The
Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the
Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and
running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:28:19 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments...
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their
List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them
over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and
operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive
selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much
appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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You are providing a great service. Thanks so very much.
David L
Keep up the good work! A great website - wish I'd found it earlier!
Bob S
Thanks for providing a site for information.
Jim S
Thanks again for providing a great service to our community!
Alex M
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Robert B.
Great forum!
David S
Thanks for providing the Kolb List for the last 12 years.
John H
Long time lurker, it's a great resource...many thanks.
Ian C
Your work and effort are greatly appreciated.
Nicolas L
Thank you very much for keeping the list going!
Svein J
Thank you for your support to the community.
Valin T
I am a long time subscriber and a slow builder because of
work and two moves, but still enjoy the process and your
list.
CL M
Thanks for providing this service. It can't be beat!
Thomas W
I'm no longer a builder or flier but I like to keep in touch with
the List - which is the best organised list I've seen on the Internet.
Gerry C
Matt, you are doing a GREAT service to the community of KOLB
Builders and Flyers.
John B
I've been flying for almost two years and still find these Lists as a
great
resource for information.....now I get to answer a question once-in-a-
while too.
Ralph C
Thanks for this great service.
Dale E
I couldn't keep on building without the support I get from this List.
Thomas S
This is a great service to all of us.
Michael W
I am no longer actively building, but I really like to keep up with
what's
going on, and I especially like to follow Bob Nuckolls - and your RV-8.
Terrence W
I really appreciate your work and consider the lists to be a great value.
Christopher R
Thanks Matt for a great resource!
Geoff T
Many thanks for providing this service. I love it.
William V
One of the best Internet Deals going...
Owen B
Thanks for the great site.
Danny S
A valuable resource.
George A
Thanks for running a great list.
Ted P
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:07:54 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good
question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It
provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when
accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades
enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I
really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant
random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as
the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you
and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How
many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR
CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of
the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:28:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Brubaker
Subject: Pelican-List: saw one crash
saw- one crash at sun fun several years ago.-- sad --I -like th
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insta
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writin
g, developing, and =0Amaintaining the custom applications that power this
L
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Wiki.=0A
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a
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from
moderation, =0Acensorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and
computer
viruses. How many =0Aplaces on the Internet can you make all those
statemen
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ny aspects of these valuable List =0Aservices. Please support it today
with
your List Contribution. Its one of the=0Abest investments you can make
in
your Sport... =0A=0AList Contribution Web Site: =0A=0A- - - - http:
//www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0AOr drop a personal check in the
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:10:25 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year...
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser.
Response
has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point. If
you've
been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might
be good
time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well!
Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists
and the
*only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during
this
Fund Raiser. If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these
Lists could
easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist.
You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days,
but your
individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in
keeping
the List services alive.
Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:01:35 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors
Published
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I
post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the
Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little
comment
about how the Lists have
helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
_________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:09:22 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Contributions Down By 17%...
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging
behind
last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year
simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any
advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of
members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the
Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address
space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-
related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists
and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server
in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant
amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs
and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments
make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and
upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer
some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for
the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 00:20:08 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List
Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a
few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year.
Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but
hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely
the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as
there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use
a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to
support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:16:00 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving.
Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in
generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been
bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful
they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all
of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says
something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning
coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each
morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists
and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:13:48 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers,
Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly
up this
year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially
behind
last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the
end of
the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many
members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund
raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of
income
might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let
that
happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to
keeping
the operation a float.
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors
published in
December.
The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:06:34 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments...
Dear Listers,
There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Won't
you take
a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued
upgrade
and operation of these Forum services.
I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with
their List
Support Contributions, and I've share a few below.
There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections
and pickup
a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much
appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Great resource, keep it coming...
Marten V.
Thanks for maintaining these essential lists!
Rumen D.
Great Service!
Douglas D.
Thanks for this great service!
Peter T.
Thanks for your enduring support of homebuilding communications!
Daniel M.
You do a great job and provide a valuable service.
Mark B.
It's really a great source I have used a lot.
Robert K.
Reading the RV-10 list is part of my morning routine...
Perry C.
Great job running these lists.
Edward T.
Thanks for doing a tough job.
Mic T.
Your List was such a great resource for me when I built in "98".
Ron V.
Its a very useful forum.
Dave F.
Really enjoy your list...
William D.
Great service,
Gerald T.
The list still is a valuable source of information and there
are many worthwhile postings.
Graham H.
The list has seen me through an RV-9A, RV-10, and now an RV-12.
Albert G.
Thanks for a great resource!
Barry H.
Thank you for maintaining this excellent site.
Bill W.
The Matronics Email list are an invaluable service.
William C.
I appreciate the RV-10 list.
Vijay P.
Thanks for a great list and all of the work you do.
Ian W.
Thanks for keeping up this very useful list.
George R.
The list is excellent and I find it very handy for any problems
I come up against during construction.
Greg W.
The lists are an important part of my day. I've met lots of people
and made lots of friends.
Dave S.
It's really a great source I haved used a lot.
Robert K.
I read the Pietenpol List everyday.
PF B.
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 00:22:05 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Make Sure You're Listed!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just two
more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of
everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year.
Its
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists.
Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Visa, MasterCard,
or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
_________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:50:29 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund
Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or
worse, its
my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of
the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the
really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution,
then
now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been
putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll
probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this
year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our
habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:16:14 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: 2010 List of Contributors
Dear Listers,
The 2010 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a
couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors.
Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums
possible.
Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up
and
running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the
same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support
through the
supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products
and I encourage
you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2010 Fund Raiser List of
Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2010.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 17:45:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Brubaker
Subject: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
=0Aare ther any pelicans-- in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida sev
eral years =0Aago-- how many-people are on the list-?- I havent h
erd much latley-Malcolm =0ABrubaker =0A=0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair
=0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________
_______=0AFrom: Matt Dralle =0ATo:
dralle(at)matronics.c
om=0ASent: Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM=0ASubject: Pelican-List:
Offici
att Dralle =0A=0ADear Listers,=0A=0APlease read
over
the Pelican-List Usage Guidelines below.- The complete=0APelican-List FAQ
including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the=0Afollowing URL:=0A
=0A- http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html=0A=0AThank you,
=0A=0AMatt Dralle=0AMatronics Email List
Administrator=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A******
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- - - - - - - - - - Pelican-List Usage Guidelines=0A***
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=0A=0AThe following details the official Usage Guidelines for the
Pelican-L
ist.=0AYou are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
t
herein.=0AFailure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described below
may
result =0Ain the removal of the subscribers from the
List.=0A=0A=0APelican
-List Policy Statement=0A=0AThe purpose of the Pelican-List is to provide
a
forum of discussion for=0Athings related to this particular discussion
gro
up.- The List's goals=0Aare to serve as an information resource to its me
mbers; to deliver=0Ahigh-quality content; to provide moral support; to
fost
er camaraderie=0Aamong its members; and to support safe operation.- Reach
ing these goals =0Arequires the participation and cooperation of each and
e
very member of =0Athe List.- To this end, the following guidelines have b
een established:=0A=0A=0A- Please keep all posts related to the List at
som
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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:16:56 -0600
From: gary
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
The list has been very quiet, not many Pelicans in the U.S. I fly one
in TX, great airplane.
Gary
San Antonio, TX
On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
>
> are ther any pelicans in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida
> several years ago how many people are on the list ? I havent herd
> much latley
> Malcolm Brubaker
> Michigan Sport
> Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> (989)513-3022
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> *From:* Matt Dralle
> *To:* dralle(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM
> *Subject:* Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
>
> >
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Please read over the Pelican-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
> Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
> following URL:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>
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>
> The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pelican-
List.
> You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
> therein.
> Failure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described below may
result
> in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
>
>
> Pelican-List Policy Statement
>
> The purpose of the Pelican-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
> things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
> are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
> high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
> among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
> requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
> the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
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>
> - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
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> posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
> lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
>
> - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
> relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send
it.
>
> - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
> that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
> terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
> responses.
>
> - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
> aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
> about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
> bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
> space in the archive.
>
> - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
> easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
> web page or FAQ first.
>
> - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
> your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
> easy to find threads in the archive.
>
> - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
> response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
> reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
> quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
> can not be overstated!
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> - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:59:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Brubaker
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
I- know a guy in-TX- that flys a corsairo am fib.---- I saw t
he pelican-that =0A-hit the ditch at sun fun 10 + years ago he had a vo
lintere with him the pilot =0Adied . he was a nice guy just signed off in
i
t.- he ran it off the end of the =0Arunway on take of .- =0A=0A-- I
s it true kolb people imported that plane for a while?--i alwase wonder
ed =0Awho made it-.- -I fly a kit fox- how many pelicans do you thi
nk are in the US?-- =0Amal=0A-Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APi
lot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 10:31:27 -0600
From: gary
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
Yes, Kolb was the U.S. distributor for Ultravia Aero International (the
Canadian designers) for the Sport model. Kolb had the plane slightly
redesigned in Brazil(?). The original Pelican is now handled by Ballard
(below). I think there may be about 10 Pelican PL's and maybe the same
number of previous versions (smaller fuselage with fabric wings and
tail).
http://ballardsportaircrafts.com/pages/bsa_home_2008.html
Ballard Sport Aircraft Ltd.
2696 du Pimbina,
Sherbrooke, Qc
Canada J1R 0G3
Tl: 819 563-5847
Fax: 819 829-5677
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont[/code]
Gary Krysztopik
ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
San Antonio, TX
On 2/5/2011 8:59 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> I know a guy in TX that flys a corsairo am fib. I saw the
> pelican that hit the ditch at sun fun 10 + years ago he had a
> volintere with him the pilot died . he was a nice guy just signed off
> in it. he ran it off the end of the runway on take of .
> Is it true kolb people imported that plane for a while? i alwase
> wondered who made it . I fly a kit fox how many pelicans do you
> think are in the US? mal
> Malcolm Brubaker
> Michigan Sport
> Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> (989)513-3022
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> *From:* gary
> *To:* pelican-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sat, February 5, 2011 8:16:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
>
> The list has been very quiet, not many Pelicans in the U.S. I fly one
> in TX, great airplane.
> Gary
> San Antonio, TX
>
> On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
>>
>> are ther any pelicans in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida
>> several years ago how many people are on the list ? I havent herd
>> much latley
>> Malcolm Brubaker
>> Michigan Sport
>> Pilot Repair
>> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
>> (989)513-3022
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>> *From:* Matt Dralle
>> *To:* dralle(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM
>> *Subject:* Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
>>
>> >
>>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> Please read over the Pelican-List Usage Guidelines below. The
complete
>> Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
>> following URL:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> Matronics Email List Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
*************************************************************************
*****
>> Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
>>
*************************************************************************
*****
>>
>> The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pelican-
List.
>> You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
>> therein.
>> Failure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described below may
result
>> in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
>>
>>
>> Pelican-List Policy Statement
>>
>> The purpose of the Pelican-List is to provide a forum of discussion
for
>> things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
>> are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
>> high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
>> among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these
goals
>> requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
>> the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been
established:
>>
>>
>> - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
submit
>> posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
>> lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
>>
>> - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
>> relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send
it.
>>
>> - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
>> that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be
>> concise and
>> terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
>> responses.
>>
>> - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
>> aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
>> about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
>> bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
>> space in the archive.
>>
>> - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
>> easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
>> web page or FAQ first.
>>
>> - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
>> your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
>> easy to find threads in the archive.
>>
>> - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
>> response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
>> reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
>> quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
>> can not be overstated!
>>
>> - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
>> then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
>> "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
>> response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
>> your response with the original poster's email address.
>>
>> - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
>> to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
>> agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
>> to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
>>
>> - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
>> comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
>> contribute something valuable.
>>
>> - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
>> polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
>> other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
>> controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
>> will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
>>
>> - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
>> subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
>> List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
>> should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
>> a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
>> is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
>> everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
>> community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
>> operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
>>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:50:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Brubaker
Subject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
We had an interesting- discussion on linkedin this-weekend.-All about
-flight =0Ainstruction and the idea of turning an experimental into a clu
b plane so an =0Ainstructor could legally-use it to-teach-the owners
- to fly.-- This theory is =0Aviable and there is-FAA approval to d
o this.- =0A=0AWhat-I think would really jump start the process is a pr
e-developed general =0Aformat.--One that would be easy for-people to
follow- in developing their =0Aown-club and fractional ownership;--
not much different than the downloads a =0Aperson can buy to write their
ow
n will or start a non profit 401c3 corporation. =0AThese always contain
sev
eral disclaimers and liability waivers just like the =0Aones we used in
the
old days to teach ultralight flying.- =0A=0AThis would help the ultralig
ht pilot and sport pilot want-to-be, as well as the =0Ainstructor.
=0A=0ATh
e idea of teaching someone to fly in a $14,000 plane with a 582 is not
that
=0Afar fetched. We all know people that-have.- It seemes like a better
option than =0Athe $60,000 to $100,000 planes everyone thinks they
current
ly need .-When =0Aa-student-becomes a licensed pilot-they can trans
ition up.- =0A=0AWhat this sport needs now is for people to stop focusing
on the problem and =0Adevelope a solution.- The ultralight trainer was s
o successful that it was =0Aturned into a sport pilot plane; and that
took
20 years.----Even a 2 place Kolb =0Aclassic could qualify.=0A=0A-
Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC,
WS=0A(989
)513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: gary
=0ATo: pelican-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sun,
Februar
y 6, 2011 11:31:27 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the
pelican=0A=0A
Yes, Kolb was the U.S. distributor for Ultravia Aero International (the
Can
adian =0Adesigners) for the Sport model.- Kolb had the plane slightly red
esigned in =0ABrazil(?).- The original Pelican is now handled by Ballard
(below).- I think =0Athere may be about 10 Pelican PL's and maybe the sam
e number of previous =0Aversions (smaller fuselage with fabric wings and
ta
il).=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ballardsportaircrafts.com/pages/bsa_home_2008.html
=0A
=0A=0ABallard Sport Aircraft Ltd. =0A2696 du Pimbina, =0ASherbrooke, Qc
=0A
Canada J1R 0G3 =0AT=C3=A9l: 819 563-5847 =0AFax: 819 829-5677
=0A=0A=0AJim
Pollard =0AMerlin Ont[/code] =0A=0A=0A=0AGary Krysztopik ZWheelz, LLC -
www
.ZWheelz.com Alamo City Electric Auto =0AAssociation - www.aceaa.org blog
-
=0Ahttp://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/ San
Antonio
, TX =0A=0AOn 2/5/2011 8:59 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: =0AI- know a guy
in-TX- that flys a corsairo am fib.---- I saw the pelican-tha
t =0A-hit the ditch at sun fun 10 + years ago he had a volintere with him
the pilot =0Adied . he was a nice guy just signed off in it.- he ran it
off the end of the =0Arunway on take of .- =0A=0A>-- Is it true kolb
people imported that plane for a while?--i alwase wondered =0A>who made
it-.- -I fly a kit fox- how many pelicans do you think are in the
US?-- =0A>mal=0A>-Malcolm Brubaker =0A>Michigan Sport=0A>Pilot Repair
=0A>LSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A>(989)513-3022
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: gary =0A>To:
pelican-li
st(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 8:16:56 PM=0A>Subject:
Re:
Pelican-List: I love the pelican=0A>=0A>The list has been very quiet, not
m
any Pelicans in the U.S.- I fly one in TX, =0A>great airplane.=0A>=0A>Gar
y San Antonio, TX =0A>On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
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>>are ther any pelicans-- in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida seve
ral years =0A>>ago-- how many-people are on the list-?- I havent
herd much latley-Malcolm =0A>>Brubaker =0A>>=0A>>Michigan Sport=0A>>Pilot
Repair =0A>>LSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A>>(989)513-3022
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________________________________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle
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AM=0A
>>Subject: Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage
Guidelines=0A>>=0A>>--
=0A>>Dear Listers,=0A>>=0A>>Please read over the Pelican-List Usage
Guideli
nes below.- The complete=0A>>Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guide
lines can be found at the=0A>>following URL:=0A>>=0A>>- http://www.matron
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b
elow may result =0A>>in the removal of the subscribers from the
List.=0A>>
=0A>>=0A>>Pelican-List Policy Statement=0A>>=0A>>The purpose of the
Pelican
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pa
rticular discussion group.- The List's goals=0A>>are to serve as an infor
mation resource to its members; to deliver=0A>>high-quality content; to
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sup
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From: "Givan, Max E (AS)"
Subject: RE: EXT :Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:32:28 +0000
I am building one in California. Using Jabiru 3300 engine
Max Givan
Thousand Oaks, CA
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pelican-
list-se
rver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:17 PM
Subject: EXT :Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
The list has been very quiet, not many Pelicans in the U.S. I fly one in
T
X, great airplane.
Gary
San Antonio, TX
On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
are ther any pelicans in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida several
ye
ars ago how many people are on the list ? I havent herd much latley
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
________________________________
From: Matt Dralle
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM
Subject: Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
o:dralle(at)matronics.com>>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pelican-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
*************************************************************************
**
***
Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
*************************************************************************
**
***
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pelican-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
therein.
Failure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pelican-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pelican-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:06:34 -0600
From: gary
Subject: Re: EXT :Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
What is your kit number? I have PL kit number 640.
How far along are you?
I wanted to use the 3300 also - I think that will work out great.
Gary Krysztopik
ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
San Antonio, TX
On 2/7/2011 1:32 PM, Givan, Max E (AS) wrote:
>
> I am building one in California. Using Jabiru 3300 engine
>
> Max Givan
>
> Thousand Oaks, CA
>
> *From:*owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *gary
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:17 PM
> *To:* pelican-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* EXT :Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
>
> The list has been very quiet, not many Pelicans in the U.S. I fly one
> in TX, great airplane.
>
> Gary
> San Antonio, TX
>
>
> On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
>
>
> are ther any pelicans in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida
> several years ago how many people are on the list ? I havent herd
> much latley
>
> Malcolm Brubaker
> Michigan Sport
> Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> (989)513-3022
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>
> *From:*Matt Dralle
> *To:* dralle(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM
> *Subject:* Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
>
> >
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Please read over the Pelican-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
> Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
> following URL:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>
*************************************************************************
*****
> Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
>
*************************************************************************
*****
>
> The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pelican-
List.
> You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
> therein.
> Failure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described below may
result
> in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
>
>
> Pelican-List Policy Statement
>
> The purpose of the Pelican-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
> things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
> are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
> high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
> among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
> requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
> the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
>
>
> - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not
submit
> posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
> lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
>
> - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
> relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send
it.
>
> - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
> that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
> terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
> responses.
>
> - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
> aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
> about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
> bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
> space in the archive.
>
> - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
> easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
> web page or FAQ first.
>
> - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
> your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
> easy to find threads in the archive.
>
> - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
> response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
> reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
> quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
> can not be overstated!
>
> - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
> then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
> "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
> response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
> your response with the original poster's email address.
>
> - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
> to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
> agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
> to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
>
> - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
> comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
> contribute something valuable.
>
> - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
> polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
> other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
> controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
> will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
>
> - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
> subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
> List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
> should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
> a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
> is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
> everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
> community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
> operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
>
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From: "Givan, Max E (AS)"
Subject: RE: EXT :Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:49:53 +0000
Gary
I have Sport 600 kit # 772. I would say about half way complete. Mainly
hav
e wings to go but that will be big job. Rest is pretty much done. Jabiru
ca
n supply an engine mount for Pelican for 3300 engine. Still need to do
some
minor cowl mods and believe will work well. There was a guy in Maine
doing
a Pelican with Jabiru 3300 and believe he is flying now but lost his
conta
ct info when my computer crashed.
Max Givan
Thousand Oaks, CA
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pelican-
list-se
rver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: EXT :Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
What is your kit number? I have PL kit number 640.
How far along are you?
I wanted to use the 3300 also - I think that will work out great.
Gary Krysztopik
ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
Alamo City Electric Auto Association -
www.aceaa.org
blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
San Antonio, TX
On 2/7/2011 1:32 PM, Givan, Max E (AS) wrote:
I am building one in California. Using Jabiru 3300 engine
Max Givan
Thousand Oaks, CA
From: owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pelican-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Beha
lf Of gary
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:17 PM
Subject: EXT :Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican
The list has been very quiet, not many Pelicans in the U.S. I fly one in
T
X, great airplane.
Gary
San Antonio, TX
On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
are ther any pelicans in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida several
ye
ars ago how many people are on the list ? I havent herd much latley
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
________________________________
From: Matt Dralle
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM
Subject: Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
o:dralle(at)matronics.com>>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pelican-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
*************************************************************************
**
***
Pelican-List Usage Guidelines
*************************************************************************
**
***
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pelican-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
therein.
Failure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pelican-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pelican-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise
and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Subject: Pelican-List: David Clark K10 Helmet kit
From: "c1jensen"
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 07:20:14 -0700
I'm an active member on the RV forums around the Internet, lots of
references out
there...
Nearly new David Clark K10 Helmet kit, sells new for $359. It's one size
fits
all with a mesh liner that fits your head, and has an adjustable strap.
Any David
Clark 10-series headset will fit. The 20-series noes not fit. It's in
excellent
condition, worn only a few times. The headset in the bottom pics does
NOT come with the helmet kit, shown only for info. Selling only to fund a
Bose
headset for my passenger seat. Thanks!
David Clark site info-
http://www.davidclark.com/Headsetpgs/k10.htm
("http://www.davidclark.com/Headsetpgs/k10.htm")
$300 shipped/paypal'd/US ONLY.
--------
Chad Jensen
RV-7 flying
Thatcher CX-4 almost done
Hummel Bird is next
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337978#337978
_________________________________________________________________________
_______
Subject: Pelican-List: Re: David Clark K10 Helmet kit
From: "cjensen"
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:26:29 -0700
Now $275...
--------
Chad Jensen
RV-7 Flying
Thatcher CX-4 almost done
Hummel Bird is next
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338062#338062
_________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Pelican-List: Re: David Clark K10 Helmet kit
From: "cjensen"
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:01:16 -0700
SOLD
--------
Chad Jensen
RV-7 Flying
Thatcher CX-4 almost done
Hummel Bird is next
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338103#338103
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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:46:27 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21
Years Strong!!
Dear Listers,
This year marks 21 years of the Email Lists and Forums at Matronics!
I've been
running these forums for nearly half my life! I've made some great
friends over
the years and had countless email and personal conversations with
builders
about aircraft building and flying. What a great community of people!
The advice,
support, and friendship has be invaluable over the years.
To support the continued operation and upgrade of the List servers, each
November
I hold a PBS-like fund raiser. It is solely through the Contributions of
List
members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising
to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of
flashing
banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages
and web
site pages including:
* Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com
* Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search
* Matronics List Browser
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
* Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com
You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a
List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - airplanes!
During the month of November, I will be sending out List messages every
couple
of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for
your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to
pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal
Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year we've got another terrific line up of free gifts to
go along
with the various Contribution levels. Many of these gifts have been
provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics
Lists
and they have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted
rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection
http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their
respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related
product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, and Andy for their generous
support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods
including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a
qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial
AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder (and Rebuilder) and Flyer
RV-6 Rebuilder and Flyer
RV-4 Builder
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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 00:09:47 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Support The Lists...
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 00:20:27 -0700
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A
Contribution
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message
acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List
seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show
others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:18:24 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal
Squelch Button...
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser
messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution
through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically
added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive
further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual
Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It
also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge
electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally
which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the
utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because,
when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the
Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that
are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to
have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a
Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via
the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:19:02 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Reminder
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The
Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are
provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the
Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and
running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:13:00 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and
Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the
November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation
and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your
Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site
here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:31:13 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors
Published
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I
post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the
Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little
comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:15:39 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: What's Your Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used
for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It
provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for over 21 years (yeah, I
really
said *21* years) worth of on line archive data available for instant
search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing,
and maintaining
the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you
and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these aspects of Matronics
List services.
Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:34:25 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Support The Lists...
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser
month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Your
Contributions
alone keep these services up and running.
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:39:28 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: The Value of a Forum...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of
you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20
or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that
for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Arn't the Lists
worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same
amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and
viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Please make a Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible
exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:23:00 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors
Published
Dec 1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December
1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the
Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments,
the Lists
are a whole lot more valuable than your typical magazine subscription!
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?
Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the
Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a
little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:20:49 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Contributions Down By 20%...
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging
behind
last year at this time by roughly 20%. I have a Fund Raiser each year
simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any
advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of
members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the
Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address
space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-
related
data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the
many
years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a
matter of
hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant
amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs
and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments
make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and
upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer
some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for
the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:21:46 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List
Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a
few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year.
Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but
hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely
the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as
there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use
a credit
card, Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to
support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:14:23 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Please Make A Contribution Today...
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser and the
List of Contributors
is quickly approching. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported
and all of the operational costs are provided for by your Contributions
during
this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the
Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and
running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:08:34 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind...
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over
the last
few weeks I have received some really nice comments from members on what
the
Lists have meant to them. I have included some of them below. Please
read over
the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the
support
and camaraderie you have found here.
We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of
contributions. I really
want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it
take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to
keep
the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser
that
keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the
time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics
Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few List Member Comments =====================
I get a lot of useful information and satisfaction from belonging to
your groups. Somehow you foster a great sense of community without
the baggage that accompanies other lists.
Dave S.
We do appreciate you running the lists spam and advertising free.
Jeff P.
I am celebrating my first flight day and you and the lists deserve
a thanks since without it my build would have taken twice as long.
Chris L.
I enjoy the list. Have my morning coffee with it!
Buddy M.
Your lists are the best investment of my time and money, bar none,
when it comes to interfacing with my fellow amateur builders.
Owen B.
Keep it going!! Thanks for taking over.
Wallace J.
I enjoy the Pietenpol List a lot.
Malcolm Z.
Thanks for your great site! As a new CJ-6 owner, your web site is an
invaluable resource.
Ken B.
Great informational source.
Fred S.
Thanks for doing this!
Lance G.
Thank you for the service i do enjoy the many hours I use on line with
the banter/ serious technical items.
Noel G.
Thanks for the years of builder support.
Roy H.
Great forum!
Roger C.
Thank you VERY MUCH, Matt, for carrying on with this great service.
The "Europa" community really appreciates it. All the best, Svein - now
celebrating 10 years as a subscriber, I think!
Svein J.
Matt, I'm building a much nicer and safer airplane because of your
efforts.
Robert D.
21 years for you 9 years for me on the Zenith lists. Could not imagine
building and flying without Matronics.
Brian U.
Thanks for ALL the hard work and time you put into maintaining these
forums. As an EAA Tech counselor I recommend them often.
Paul M.
This Pietenpol list is a huge part of the motivation that keeps me
working
on my project. This has been a great place for meeting like minded folks
and getting help for the difficult parts.
Thomas S.
Thanks for the excellent service Matt.
Frank S.
Matt, I'm a Sonex building, but I have to say that the Piet group is
without
a doubt the most interesting.
Ken M.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the Piet List. This is one of my
sanity
lifelines!
Daniel H.
Your site has provided us over the years with excellent connections to
others
for advice. Good job!
Bob M.
Kolb List is my #1 source!
Henry V.
Matt, you do a great job with this site. I've been with it since the
beginning!
John M.
I am very grateful for all of your excellent work on the List.
Arthur L.
Thank you for the service you provide us all!
Nicholas C.
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:18:12 -0800
From: Matt Dralle
Subject: Pelican-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund
Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday
again, 48
of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of
the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those
really
nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been
putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll
probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this
year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this
year.
Please read them over and see if you don't agree.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our
habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few More List Member Comments
=====================
I never would have ended up with the great flying airplane I have without
the help of people on the Pietenpol list. Thanks for giving us the medium
to communicate our questions, tips and suggestions.
Matt P.
Thanks for the hard work and maintaining the site commercial free. Good
luck for the future and this site has been a source of great friendship.
Peter B.
It is a great resource.
Jim G.
Thanks so much for your continuing support of the homebuilt community.
Gerald A.
You are doing an outstanding job running the list's. Keep it going.
Bill V.
Thanks for keeping this valuable information source going. Best of all
the forums.
George A.
Another Great year on the RV-List!
Thomas E.
Still the best source of information (& opinion) for builders on a wide
range of issues.
Martin H.
Matt, thanks for hosting and maintaining the lists!
Rumen D.
It is a great resource.
Bryan R.
Thanks for your continuing interest in Van's RV8 kitplanes.
Peter C.
I'm no longer building or flying but like to keep in touch with the
current
generation of builders. Best wishes to a great list system.
Gerry C.
A great list that is most useful for builders.
Graham H.
Thanks for this wonderful tool!
Ralph C.
Thanks for a great service to the experimental aviation community.
Douglas D.
Great topics and loads of useful info keep the subject matter relevant.
George H.
Thanks for keeping this going.
Richard R.
Great facility and well managed.
Victor F.
Thanks for a great service.
John D.
Thank you for you time and efforts they have made Aviation a better
place for everyone.
Jim W.
I still enjoy getting the list in the morning.
Don M.
You provide a great resource.
David M.
You have probably saved a few necks over the years.
Robert F.
Thank you for being there.
Benjamin B.
You perform a great service.
Bruce M.
Thank you for providing this invaluable resource.
William D.