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									Hobbes – Megan
Trash Talk: Locke – Besides the fact that he’s ugly and basically stole my idea for the social contract and
ruined it. People CANNOT rebel against their government. People owe a duty to the king no matter how
evil. John Locke can eat my shorts.

Issue: Is there a natural right to rebel against rulers?
No. Men are naturally evil and have a desire to hurt each other. Any government is greater than the state
of nature – an oppressive regime is better than no government at all.


Beccaria – Natalya and Chiyo
TT: Locke – believes murder may be necessary to “preserve the rest of mankind” but in the state of
nature, no one had the right to harm another man’s “life, liberty, health or possessions.” How does that
make society better?

Kant believes murderers should be killed (“eye for an eye philosophy”). No one would make a social
contract with a state that allowed it to kill him. Just because they do something wrong doesn’t mean you
can.

Issue: These are enlightened times. How do you think we could reform punishment in this country?
Crime endangers society. In order to maintain balance of progress, we must use punishments that serve to
preserve a peaceful way of life. The death penalty is not acceptable because the right to life cannot be
taken away; life imprisonment sets the best example. It will be more intimidating and conducive to peace
than more severe punishments. It is also longer lasting. Also, moral values of prisoners should be
improved through rehabilitation.


Thomas Paine – Marissa and Finke
TT: Hobbes and Locke
Hobbes: How can absolute monarchy work when the people have no say in the government? How is the
social contract theory possible when you don’t believe the people make up the government, a monarchy
does.

Locke: If our minds our blank, Mr. Locke, how are we able to progress in knowledge, rather than just
stay in a comatose state?

Issue: How is it that in this current state of Enlightenment and revolution women are still not treated as
human beings just like men? Myself and Ms. Wollstonecraft are the only advocates for women’s right
and grievances. If we are to be a nation and continent of change, why are women still being held as
unintelligent figures in society. How can we become greater than the Middle Ages when women are not
treated as equal and given a part in this revolutionary movement?

Rousseau – Matt and Jake
TT: Hobbes: My disagreement is with none other than Thomas Hobbes. This obviously stems from his
ridiculous statement that life without government is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.” This
obviously contradicts my view that humans are born free and perfect but are corrupted by the government
and societies around us. We have practically polar opposite views on human nature.

Issue: What are your views on education?
Rousseau believes that there should be a large emphasis on physical education out in nature and less
emphasis on reading. Rousseau believes children need to be freed from the tyranny of adults. He
believes children learn from situations and not books. He believes that boys should be educated
differently from girls, since girls will be more useful in the house. He believes sexual education should
be handled by answering all questions without embarrassment.

Diderot – Jamie and Preston
TT: Hobbes – people are bad and life is “being solitary and poor.” If people had good access to
knowledge, their lives would be greatly improved as well as humanity in government. We don’t need an
absolute monarch either, just constitutional monarchy.

Issue: Are you familiar with the Encyclopedia, if so have you used it, and what do you think of it?
Yes, I have used it is a great work with a wealth of knowledge.

Locke – Sarah and Chad
TT: Hobbes – Hobbes is a fool because he thinks that everyone is born with inherent characteristics like
selfishness. Even the little bitty babies. This is not true because, as everyone knows, we are all born with
a blank slate, tabula rasa if you will, in our minds upon which our experiences shape us. He also believes
in an absolute monarchy which destroys the ability of Revolution and the mutuality of the social contract.
All men are born equal, so why should one man rule over others? Rule of the masses is better than his
idiotic proposal.

Issue: What is the importance of education?
Education is one of the most important tools because education, be it from school or life experience, is the
quill that writes upon our tabula rasa. It shapes our morals and intellect, intimately creating our character
overall.

Kant – Kent and Shannon
Hobbes: His moral theory – he says that justice, gratitude, modesty, equity, and mercy are good, but he
doesn’t’ practice these. Moral theory is argued of self-interest and so are his “laws.” Hobbes is too
egotistic with what people should do and doesn’t’ care for the community.

Issue: What is your stance on moral ethics?
Kant believes that nobody should give up their morals for anything. According to Kant there are 3 pillars
of morality – God, freedom and immorality. No matter what a person is going through they always have
to take what they believe into account. He also believed that a strict application of the same methods of
reasoning would yield great success in dealing with moral philosophy. His moral theory is deontological
– actions are morally right in virtue of their motives, but they must arrive from a duty.

Wollstonecraft – Kassi and Mikayla
TT: Hobbes – Thomas Hobbes incorrectly believes that the state of nature is “solitary, poor, nasty,
brutish and short.” He has the delusion that man is despicable through his life and that they need an
absolute monarch to rule them. I believe in the liberal conception of the natural rights of man. Men have
the ability to improve themselves and better themselves. Men also have certain rights given by God that
the worldly rulers can’t take away.

Issue: What are your thoughts on monarchies? (As in the state of nature and the Natural rights of man)
Men inherit certain rights at their birth. Those rights ere given to men by God and they can’t be taken
away by mortal law. So kings can’t take away these rights. Men also have “improvable faculties.” This
means they can learn and better themselves, so there really is no need for absolute monarchies.

Voltaire – Kimberly and Sarah M
TT: Hobbes – believed all men are evil, but Voltaire disagrees.
     Locke, Rousseau, Montesquieu – “I would rather obey a lion than 200 rats of my own species.”
Believed the common people wouldn’t know what to do with the power. Monarchy is the key to progress
and change.
       But unlike Locke, he believed the monarch should be an enlightened despot rather than a
Leviathan, who would rule with an iron fist.
       Accuse Diderot and Hobbes of being an atheist, so they don’t’ have any foundations for morality.
       Kant – Its pointless to try to explain the metaphysical through science, philosophy because
proving what souls are or what God is can never offer a satisfactory conclusion.

Issue: What is the most pressing issue of personal liberties?
The most pressing issue on personal rights during the 18th century is the restriction on freedom of the
press and free speech. France is a highly censored nation and I was thrown in the Bastille 2 times for
simply speaking my mind. When I moved to Geneva, I built a theater and was promptly expelled from
the city for producing my plays. While in England, I experienced a much larger toleration on Free
speech. I was able to write and publish what I truly meant. Because of this I can be quoted as saying, “I
may disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.” I live for correcting
injustice ns giving a voice to those who have none.

								
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