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Peter...(I mean Josh)...put that sword back in its sheath...
...now I have to put a poor brother's ear back on! :-)
Dear Jay,
Please forgive Josh, he's quite the character and means you no harm.
Please do not leave us, as your words are welcome as well as your
inquiries.
I can see that you have extensive knowledge of Mormonism, and I hope
the truths revealed in The Sealed Portion will aid you in your search
for truth.
I am sure we will all benefit from your inquiries.
Your Friend, Brother, and Servant
Christopher
PS. To Josh: One more like that, my dear friend, and I'll have to
take that "sharp" sword away from you and put you in "time out". :-)
I love you too!
Re: The Temple Endowment
Jay,
I am no SAINT AND NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AND I AM SURE I AM IN TROUBLE
WITH CHRISTOPHER, AS I HAVE BEEN BEFORE.
I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about me Ill join the
ranks of Orin Rockwell and protect Christopher with my life is
necessary. Im not no saint and have been serving the beast as a
lawyer and hate it.
I think you are afraid of Christopher because he makes so much sense
I think you've got your head so far up your ego that you can't HEAR
OR SEE a thing of truth.
You haven't even read the sealed portion have you?
Forgive me Christopher but this guy needs to go. He's probably
feeling out the site to see any of it fits in his deceptive lifestyle
thinking he's got somekinda special calling.
Im calling you on the carpet Jay. Lets see some of your knowledge up
agaisnt the truth. Don't hide, don't run, lay it on us and let
Cristopher kick your uninspired butt into the darkness where you have
been hiding.
Sorry folks, someone has to be influenced by the devil's personality
here, and maybe I am, but I still know truth when it spits in my
face. Jay's a nuisance and I hope he leaves us alone. Sure so i am
going to the telestial kingdom, so what, at least I'm going to God's
kingdom anddon't have to be around self-righteous idiots like this
superficial unreal Jay character.
!!!!
I know, Christopher, I am bad but so what am I going to do with my
personality? I love you too dear Brother. Watch out for those who lay
snares for you like this Jay character. I got your back brother
Christopher. Josh
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Temple Endowment
Joshua,
I got on this list to feel what the fruit of the Sealed Portion is
like. Thank you for so demonstrating it so well. I made honest
comments and asked open questions. I guess if you can't handle that,
this is a good indication of the true status of this work.
Jay
Joshua Farnsworth wrote:
>
> Hey Jay, do you have ears to hear and eyes to see!!
>
> With all due respect because I am not supposed to be contentious,
>
> JAY, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, CHRISTOPHER HAS PROVIDED A LINK AND A
> LECTURE ON THE SECOND ANOINTING THAT IS THE MOST PLAIN AND
> UNDERSTANDABLE EXPLANATION OF THIS "EGO" ORDINANCE THAN ANY THING
> EVER REVEALED TO US AND HE HAS GIVEN A LINK TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF
> THE LDS TEMPLE ENDOWMENT THAT IS OUT OF THIS WORLD!!!.
>
> What are you doing in this discussion group if you don't read the
> responses to the only LIVING prophet of God that I've ever found to
> know God's mind and will. WHY DON'T YOU READ WHAT WE SHOULD BE
> DISCUSSING OR GET LOST!!!
>
> I would like to hear your responses to Christopher, if you have any.
>
> Read HIS WORDS, for gosh sakes, you'll learn something and not waste
> our time with your empty words. Go to post NO. 79 and respond to
> God's prophet that teaches us in plainnes and simplicity not in the
> dogma and rhetoric I have heard for 28 years in the LDS Church.
>
> Sorry I seem so impatient and without love, but I am not like
> Christopher and can't stand uninspired men like you wasting people's
> time with empty arguments that don't make a lick of sense.
>
> !!!!
>
>
>
> --- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, Jay Potter
> wrote:
> > John,
>>
> > You say that you hope that the church isn't performing an ordinance
> > revealed by the Lord? That sounds a bit scary.
>>
> > I was of the impressing that the second annointing was part and
> > associated with Calling and Election.
>>
> > Jay
OH COME ON GUYS!!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!
I didn't promise that I wouldn't write my opinions if everyone else
gets to write theirs. I have no doubt I am not christ-like or chris-
like or any other "like". I am just me.
THESE GUYS TAKE THE CAKE!
So Mr. Holy Ghost, if youre the Holy Ghost, whose givin you your
revelations? How can you come up with the sealed portion if you
don't have the plates, you idiot? ARe you going to get it through
the "veil"? What veil? You seem to have forgotten all things that are
on the other side of the veil, like common sense! Geez, Louise!
Christopher confound these idiots and send them back under the rock
they crawled out from under! What a minute! If they back home, to
their rock, they might lift it up and find the plates, then come back
and claim they have them now. GIVE ME A BREAK.
Why don't you guys get lost so we can all learn wisdom from a true
source and not some wannabee prophets that don't know the difference
between "revelation" and the effects of the drugs that they take!!!
I dont want a lecture if Christopher takes me off this chatroom, then
oh well, I'll humbly accept it and still go on learning truth.
Get Thee behind us, Dumb and Dumber!!!
My Dear Friends, who I know are few,
I am not going to complain to any of you, as I have just complained
to the "coach" and it didn't do me any good. He told me to get off
the bench and go back into the game, and quit complaining. :-)
It's 2:30 AM, and the little sleep that I had the last few days won't
allow me to find the repose of the Spirit, as I was commanded to make
the corrections available in The Book of Lehi to the public. Not
knowing "Why", I could not sleep until I did.
So many times I have wanted to end my mission and give up on the
world and proclaim: "Here it is you fools! I've done my part, leave
me alone. Here is the greatest revelation ever given to men by our
Father. A revelation that takes away all the chains by which we are
bound, causing us to trust in our Father and in no man, and KNOW Him
as He is, not as we have believed that He is. If you read it fine,
if not, that's not my fault, because this is NOT my work."
I spend all my waking hours engaged in this work, working for no
worldy glory, no money, no prestige, putting my life on the line to
bring forth a work that so many mock and ridicule without reading it,
without attempting to find for themselves whether it is true without
first checking with their Bishops, their Pastors, their spouses,
their "Channelers", their "Enlighten Ones", their "Spiritual Guides",
their "Eye of God", their "Blessed Ones", their "Mighty and Strong",
their "Prophets and Apostles".
I cry profusely at times, and those who have seen these tears can
testify of their reality, for they know my heart, that it is so heavy
at times, wondering why go on. The hard hearts and closed minds of
the people who are my brothers and sisters. These people have
their "Truth". Let them wallow in the unhappiness that this "Truth"
brings to them. Why should I waste my life in pain and sorrow and put
my life in danger that others might KNOW the Father that I came to
know on my own, without the help of a man or a woman, but on my own
knees, tears streaming down my face, accepting the reality that I
didn't know anything. I didn't know God. Who was He? Why was He? He
didn't know me. How could He be when He had forsaken me and confused
me for so many years as a young child?
I was a child, Father! I was not an adult! I wanted only to know the
truth and be led to happiness, not to the misery and confusion that I
received from this world. Did I ask to come into this world and
suffer at Thy hand? Why would Thou doest this to me?
Why didst Thou create me? That I might suffer so? Is that fair? Is
that just? What loving father would do that to any of his children?
Oh, God, my Father, why hast Thou forsaken me? Where art Thou in the
time of my need?
When I have spent so many days traveling at my own expense, copying
papers presenting truths never before heard or considered by my
brothers and sisters, giving freely to them as Thou hast commanded me
for their sakes. Well, what about MY sake, Father? What about my
happiness? I have slept no more than a few hours of each night for
the past week in my travels. I have dedicated myself to them that
they might know Thee as I know Thee, because why?
Do they really get it, Father?
So much pride, so many egos, so much hardness, so much ignorance.
I took the book that Thou gavest to me and I ate it as Thou commanded
of me, and in my mouth it was sweet as I shared it with my brothers
and sisters, but in my belly it became bitter because of their
rejection of the things that would save them and make them happy, and
which they refuse to see having eyes, and hear having ears.
Take this cup from before me, so that I don't have to drink from it
any longer.
Look, my God, my Father, even at this time, all my friends are asleep
as I suffer for them.
Why CAN'T I SLEEP LIKE THEM!!!!
I cannot go on...
...send me strength.
My friends,
I am suffering.
Pray for me, so that I might have the strength to continue to give to
others what you have received. I do NOT need money, I need spiritual
strength that can only come from the energy of spirits who love me as
I love them, and do to me, what I have done to them.
Love me, pray for me...
Lift me up!
The enemy is near, and they want to crucify me for the things that I
am teaching them...
...I want them to take me...
...I want to bear my cross and be pierced that my blood might run
back into the earth from whence it came, so that I might cry in joy...
...Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do...
...it is done.
Finally, I will have peace.
:-(
:-(
:-(
Yes, my friends, even those who KNOW what others can only hope to
understand by faith, are the very weak things of this earth, and need
the love and strength of their brothers and sisters.
To put it as my dear Brutha Harry would put it:
Scotty, there is no intelligent life here. Beam me up!
Re: I Need All Of Your Help
I'm the player on the basketball court who will protect
our "point guard" with a few flagarant fouls to the chins, shins, and
armpits of the other team so that we can keep him in the game to help
us win, or show us how to shoot at least. I never knew how to shoot
a basketball right until Christopher showed me the right technique.
Hek, I was bouncing balls all over the place, off the coaches head
while I was looking at the chearleaders and wondering how may points
I had scored, over the basket into the audience, I'd trying shooting
from half court thinking I was good enough to make it. I scored so
many points for the other team, because at tip off, I was turned the
wrong direction and thought "their" basket was "our" basket.
Chris ran up along side of me one game and kindly informed me
that I was shooting at the wrong basket and he would appreciate it if
I was going to wear the same color jersey as him if I would shoot at
the same basket he was. it was about time someone told me! I
wondered why the coach didn't yank me and put me on the bench. He was
trying to and didn't hear the "timeout" being called or the referre's
whistle because I couldn't hear past the yells and cat calls and
horrays of the other team's cheerleaders who were glad I was scoring
for them.
I am with you Nemelka and I got your back, sorry if I foul out,
but if they try fouling you, they're going to get a little of their
own medicine back if I can keep the referre from seeing me do it!
Sorry I made it so hard on you. We need you to win, cause the coach
can't [won't] play by himself, cause he hates the game and is now
coaching from the sidelines. Let's go team! HooRaah!!!!
Always a friend, Josh
Re: WE ARE HERE FOR AND WITH YOU, CHRIS
Dear David,
These are beautiful, undeserved words of love and support. Thank you.
If even one of you "gets it", how great should be my joy. Every day
someone seems to "get it", and for this I am blessed to have been an
aid to them.
I will share with you what led to my recent state of depression:
I was pondering the suffering of the Lord in the garden, when his
apostles had fallen asleep, and he previously to this time had been
rejected by those who he was trying to teach.
I fell into deep depression as I realized that the "Greatest Teacher
of all time" couldn't get intelligent minds to understand his
message; even his apostles didn't understand at times. I thought how
arrogant I must be to think that my discussions in Southern Utah
recently could be anything like the discussions Jesus Christ had with
those who would come to hear him.
Upon meeting people I can immediately sense their purpose in
attending the meeting and seeking me out, but I have been commanded
to deny NO ONE the opportunity to meet with me and discuss what the
Father has given us. As I look into the eyes of many of my brothers
and sisters and love them, and knowing that they will reject one of
the most important messages ever given to them, it begins to wear on
a human heart who would rather be laughing with them than condemning
them to damnation (and this means keeping them from further light and
happiness) because they are finally hearing the words of "truth" but
reject them because of pride.
But I also get to look into the eyes of many sincere seekers of
truth. One who knows that he knows not is humble, therefore he or she
can be taught. (Thank you for this Josh) Those who know and know not
that they know not are full of pride, these sadden me and bring a
burden upon a man who knows and knows that he knows not.
And now the work goes on to reach those who know not that they know
not--these are asleep and must be awakened.
Therefore, all of us can be divided by this wisdom as presented
inspirationally by Kahlil Gibran, in The Prophet, and whom Josh
Farnsworth shares in his personal profile:
He who knows and knows not that he knows not are those who think
think they have truth but don't--this is the majority of religious
thinkers, and perpetuated continually by the religions of the earth,
more especially the LDS Church--and can't be taught a thing.
or...
There are those who know not that they know not and are waiting for
someone to wake them up and teach them, having been lulled asleep by
those who think they know but really know not.
Then there are those who know that they know not and are humble and
receptive to the ministrations of the Father through the spirit world
in which reside many who know and want to share what they know with
the rest of us.
I can't fathom why people cannot see that Joseph Smith and I were
called because we approached God KNOWING NOT. Our experiences are
teaching tools by the Father to show the rest of His children the
proper way to approach Him to find truth.
Neither of us were in search for anything other than wisdom to know
the things that we did not know, not demanding of God to give to us
what WE thought we needed. In our last efforts to salvage our faith
in God to know the truth, we approached in faith One who KNOWS and
KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS, this is a teacher who can teach us properly. And
when we did, we came to KNOW the Eternal Father and His Son, Jesus
Christ for who They REALLY are.
If one approaches God already knowing, how in the world does that
person expect to find out something that they already think he or she
knows? That's why throughout the scriptures we are told "ad nauseum"
to seek God as a little child. Little children do not have
traditions, beliefs, and precepts of men already implanted in their
heads. They are not even consciously aware the God exists, but they
are more intuned to who God is than most adults, and they don't
realize it. Then their parents, who think they know, but really know
not, take over and implant perceptions of reality that are foreign to
the child. Have you ever noticed a child's face when it is being
taught something that it doesn't understand? Look at its face! It's
obvious that it is not understanding. Therefore, if a child cannot
understand it, why do we think it is truth? On the other hand, a
child who is taught the truth, understands it completely and learns
from it.
Now here's a bad example, therefore I don't advocate one using this
on their children, there are other ways, but this example does get
the point across:
When a child bites another child, its parents can lecture until
they're blue in the face trying to explain why that child shouldn't
bite another. But sure as the sun rises in the East (at least for
now) that child will bite again. Now, bite that child back and it
soons learns the concept of doing unto others what you would want
others to do unto you, and will usually stop biting. :-)
Our Father does not lecture us on His principles of happiness. He
allows us to be bitten back so that we can learn properly. :-)
It brings anguish to me to know the future of those who have the
opportunity to hear the words of the Father in these last days, for
the last time, before each of us will be forced to stand before Him
either in the flesh, by the coming of His Son, or in the spirit, when
we die and are taken back to the God who gave us life. In either
situation we are forced to introspect and see how we lived our
lives. We are forced by our own admission through our memories to
acknowledge our guilt for not having done unto another what we would
have had another do unto us.
And this I can prophesy to all: If any person comes in contact with
The Sealed Portion or any proper discussions about it, and they deny
this work, they will be left to themselves, having any portion of the
Spirit that did guide them, leave them to kick against the pricks and
led by Satan down into emotional turmoil. Their lives will never be
the same again emotionally. Oh yes, Satan will reward them possibly
with riches and success in this world, but their instances of
depression, anguish, anxiety, loneliness, anger, and all other
emotional vicissitudes will affect them like they have never been
affected before. (If any of you want a good stock market tip, and I
really wish you wouldn't invest in such an evil system, but if you
must, find the companies that are seeking to relieve the human race
of their emotional problems with drugs, entertainment, or the likes,
and invest in them. Your return will be handsome as Lucifer finds
more and more ways to relieve the emotional turmoil given to those
who follow his plan. Now can one see why Utah, per capita, uses more
anti-depressant drugs than any other location in the WORLD? Makes
sense doesn't it? :-) )
My only wish is that more of us would understand these things, but my
greatest joy is knowing that women and men, like you my dear friend,
David, do. :-)
Thank you for being one of those who knows that he knows not. :-)
Your Friend and Brother,
Christopher
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "dr_avard"
wrote:
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> I am at your side. Like most here. I feel empathy for all that you
> are going through. You said you apologize for having complained.
You
> shouldn't. It testifies in your favor. Some of the most beautiful
> Psalms are complaints. And the one you wrote deserves a place in
> that book. It is honnest, human.
>
> Chris, we love you because you are "real", that includes crying at
> times, feeling like giving up the whole thing. You are not playing
a
> role. We can feel that. You're not like all those ravening wolves
> outside blessed by Lucifer with material goods, pride, a sense of
> being really "mighty and strong", an ability to convince oneself
> that one's desires and fantasies are God's, liscensed by the
> confirmation of the Holy Ghost. Nope. It's evident that you are a
> man, like us, struggling with a work to do that is above all that
we
> could conceive of.
>
> That's were you're different. Your calling is different. And I am
> convinced that as this work is unfolding, God will 'upgrade' your
> abilities. But at this time, Chris, we need to feel we can rely
with
> you. We need to see it's no role you are playing that you just
could
> give up, nor that you are blessed by Lucifer as expounded in the
> SP. "But the Father only blesseth His children, or those who follow
> His plan, in one way: and that way is complete and eternal
> happiness" (32:78).
>
> Know, Chris, that we feel a happiness that must be eternal as it is
> not comparable to any kind of happiness we have felt so far, when
> reflecting and pondering and applying in our lives the things we
> read in this marvelous book, The Sealed Portion, The Final
Testament
> of Jesus Christ.
>
> May our happiness we derive from your dedication to God contribute
> to yours. And thus, God bless you dear brother Christopher with
some
> rest and more relaxing times to enjoy what is brooding already in
> your soul: eternal happiness. Thank you Chris!!
>
> Take no worry to reply to this mail. That you agree or not with my
> words has no impact on this work. I really think what you need most
> is rest. We here on this Yahoo group I am sure would be most happy
> to give you some free days, some vacation you deserve so very
> much!! ;-)
>
> Your friend,
> David.
Re: Official Press Release
Hey Christopher,
Tell everyone to take copies of this great! press release and
plaster them in Universities, at Malls, in the Newspaper legal
sections, seminary buildings. Hell, I am going to post one at the
Salt Lake District Court right outside Lindberg's Court. I hope no
one sees me!!!! She'll throw me in jail and throw the key away--the
Biatch! I guess ya all know I'm not using my real name. I go in
front of Judge D. Lindberg from time to time, and that's all I need
is to be related to a Nemelka in any way, and my case is "screwed"!
If needed and wanted by Chris, I would throw it all away to protect
him and fight for truth. Lucky for Lindberg and other "Cronies" like
her, Chris tells me to love them and do good to them instead of what
I would like to do to them. Okay, my wife might be on Chris's side
too! She still loves her nice car I pay for! Peace To All, Josh
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Marc Nemelka"
wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Please download the press release from the "Files" link at the
left
> or at http://www.thesealedportion.com/pressrelease.doc
>
> We need all of your help in getting this press release to media
> organizations around the world.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Here come the stones!!!
>
> :-)
>
> Your Friend, Brother, and Servant,
>
> Christopher Nemelka
Re: From Under The Rocks
Hey Mr. Psychic Idiot,
I'd put Christopher Nemelka up against you and the rest of those like
you mentioned in your comments. Go ahead and put them in the same
room and you'd see a big difference between them. A-Nemelka looks
like a prophet of God--he's not a fat hairy slob who eats more food
than the "locust and honey" that true prophets would to obey the word
of wisdom that supposedly came from the Father. He could knock the
crap out of any of them, and with that take any stone, fire, or cross
that came his way. Yea, yea, he wouldn't, but he could. B-He could
confound every last one them and prove without a doubt that he speaks
by the right spirit and not by every lost spirit in the Spirit World
that is looking for someone that will give them an audience. He'd
make your clarivoyancy crap look like just that, "crap!" C-He smiles
and loves everyone and doesn't pick and choose his audience from
the "straight", "white", "wealthy" class, and he isn't afrian of
any "psychic" mumbo jumbo that is thrown at him. C-He doesn't want
anyone following him and couldn't care less if someone calls him a
prophet to make a "profit" or justcallmechris which is his personal
email account on hotmail.
You haven't read the SP anymore than I've gone to your website and
paid you to do a "reading" for me. Well, read into this, you idiot!
You got about as much power as one of Harry's pigs! (Sorry about that
Harry, no offense meant to your pigs.)
Stay off this discussion group or get off of drugs first so you can
see clearly and maybe you'll find out that when your getting
your "readings" you're really listening to the echo of your own voice
because you head shoved so far up your ass that you're in total
darkness! Chris can be your friend, but I'm not, Josh
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Jumper"
wrote:
> The proof is in the spirit?
>
> I put Moronis test to it several times, and yes I did read the
entire contents of the book, it may have been 1000 pages, but you
used large font and wide paragraphs, and it was very easy to read.
>
> Moroni's test has failed on most of it except for the parts you
plagarized right out of the Book of Mormon.
>
> For anyone who is interested I have been researching this for
years, long before Chris came along.
>
> If people want to get to know me they have the oppurtunity, don't
just take blindly take Chris's word for it. You can not just take
spirits word for it either, because if something is factually
incorrect in his work, then it taints all of it.
>
>
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: From Under The Rocks
Dear Josh,
With all due respect to your friendship and determination to protect me, please do not use offensive
language, but allow our brothers and sisters to express themselves as they wish. Telestial or not, we are
all brothers and sisters and get our blessings from the same source.
I have to agree fully with Alex.
May you blessed with love and patience, reproving betimes with sharpness, but not meaness.
Your Friend and Brother,
Christopher
Alex wrote:
Dear Joshua,
I need to agree with Todd that your writing style is not quite
appropriate for a discussion forum. Well, you might be full
of "righteous indignation", but please control the words your mouth
(PC keyboard) spits.
Buddha empasised importance of self control over passions, desires and
emotions. By the way, Buddhism is endorsed in the Sealed Portion.
Regards,
Alex (one of the moderators)
Take Todd to the meet
I move that Todd be OBE'd to Chula Vista on the evening of March 12th
for the all night pre-game blessing fest, so he jave a sit-down-face-
to-face with Joe and Mo so he can rid himself of some confusion and
depression once and [for all]. All those in favor? (Aye, I, Eye!))
All those opposed? ( ) The Eyes have it.
Todd my man,
I understand depression, and I know what shutting down emotionally
can lead to. I also know what it's like to get mixed signals from
those we look up to, so join the club. (JUMP in) Your experience in
the LDS church has given you a broad base where with to compare
things. I can't think of a better place to get it. Your last couple
of posts have revealed a much more handsome and comprehendable you,
and I wanna thank you for allowing that to happen. I know what it's
like to be on the fight all the time, so I for one, can't judge you.
When I was finally able to read the Sealed Portion undisturbed (kids,
chores, duties, etc), it went right to my core. I wasn't trying to
prove it, and I could have cared less about how I got it, or even who
Chris Nemelka was, I just wanted to learn. It was the same exact
experience I had with the Book of Mormon. I had no idea if I believed
in Angels, or God with a body who speaks plain English, or
missionaries who don't, I just wanted to be taught "facts", and the
Book of Mormon authors spoke to me matter-of-factly from out of the
dust. Now here again comes our Man in the cave with the further light
and knowledge we need to negotiate the next few curves on this road.
Moroni in my opinion was not high on writing, he landed the job
because he could operate the Urim and Thummim. I don't doubt that you
are a better writer, because it is one of your passions, but that
wasn't what was needed that day. Your work is probably ready, but you
aren't. I wouldn't waste one more minute challenging Chris, as he has
less and less time to babysit us. Just let him do his thing, and if
it turns out that he's a goofball, well, we'll all laugh about it. If
he really is 'the bearer of Christ', as I believe him to be, then it
behooves us to pay attention. I don't really know where you came
from, but I'm glad you decided to come. I hope it works out that you
can feel at home among those of us who also just got here.
Sincerely,
Harry
Re: Our Man on the Inside...
Okay, I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. What about others
feelings, like Chris's? Do we allow you to be blasted without coming
back at those who do the blasting? My words are my words you know I
would never hurt anyone I just want people to think before they
speak.
Like this Alma character. I am sure you are nice but how are you
going to come on here and start throwing around things that have
already been hashed out before? My question to you is have you read
the SP? Chris has told folks time and time to read the darn thing
before spouting off and your answers will be given.
Regarding his excommunication, excommunication from what? Do you
actually think Brigham "the fat lion" Young had the authority given
to him? Waht about the claims of the RLDS church, shouldn't we give
just as much validity to their claims of authority? Alma, get your
facts straight before you claim credibility here. Christopher has
explained these things time after time, and we are sick of hearing
the same answer. If the book is true, then it don't matter if one of
Harry's pigs gave him the authority, he just got it, and that's it.
Since you believe in your church, stay with it if you're happy. If
you're not happy, read the SP and you will find happiness, but don't
start it here or you'll get nowhere.
Im sorry for my outburst to ignorant people, but I have little
patience for people who speak with authority having none.
Alex and Chris, I am sorry and wont' make other statements to
demean, but to protect. I think that psychic Todd just might have
some goodness and knowledge in him after all, but he owes us all,
especially Chris a big apology!
Chau For Now Folks
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "friuliveneto"
wrote:
>
> Christopher,
>
> I came across this site by happenstance, and thought I'd ask you a
> couple of questions that I hadn't seen asked by anyone else.
>
> You indicate that you have been called to this work by Joseph
Smith.
> Did he ordain you or set you apart in some way?
>
> Joseph Smith gave us a commandment not to receive the teachings of
> anyone unless they come in at the gate and are "regularly
ordained" by
> the heads of the church. On another occasion he wrote: "Respecting
the
> vision you speak of we do not consider ourselves bound to receive
any
> revelation from any one man or woman without his being legally
> constituted and ordained to that authority, and giving sufficient
> proof of it."
>
> It seems to me that the first step of giving proof that you are
> authorized to perform such a work would be in demonstrating that
you
> have been regularly ordained. The fact that you've been
excommunicated
> kind of goes against such a position. What can you tell me?
>
> Alma
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Our Man on the Inside...
Hey Josh,
Remind me not to sign you up on the neighborhood welcome commitee. Relax brother our sister
just asked for a little direction.
Alma,
you may want to check the links and archives for your inquiries.
I have to agree with our bro Josh, the best thing to do is just begin to read. See what comes to you as
you do so. Be content at times with little doubts as you try with all your might to become a little child.
good luck in you search for truth and happiness.
your sister and friend,
Sheri
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Our Man on the Inside...
Dear Harry,
We'll see about Granpa Moroni's stories to pacify you. :-)
As to your insight of the Three Nephites, feel free to share what you have. There are no mysteries
presently that we cannot talk about, but there is some specifics that we are not allowed to approach as it
would affect our living by faith. I think you understand.
As for the Press Release. THAT IS the official press release and should be E-mailed, faxed, sent by
letter, whatever means one can think of to local, national, and international press. If you have a favorite
reporter or newspaper, get it in his or her hands. Call the LA Times, the NY Times, the Times and
Seasons, (oops that no longer exists, thanks to Brigham Young) :-)
The more of us that can contact these news agencies the better, whether any of them come or not, is up
to their boss, Lou Cifer, but we've to got give our brothers and sisters the chance. :-)
This is one thing that I simply do not have time to do, so we need the help of all those who care, though
few they may be. Nephi saw us. He knew we were few, but we have power. Do what you can as you are
led.
Carry on dear brother, and say hello to your wife who I am sure adores you as YOU! :-)
Your Friend and Brother
"H. H. Dschaak" wrote:
Chris Dear,
I did as you suggested and went to the link you provided, and you're
right, I was posing my question while you were getting my answer up
to a few thoughts I've had for a long time. I had to grin at the
timing, and I have to say I like grinning.
Another thing I agree with you wholeheartedly on is your lack of
iterest in the Ten Lost Tribes. I have been having fun with that
notion since the first day somebody brought up the subject thirty
years ago. It has been one of the few things Mormons can stand to be
teased about. When you say let the 10 Tribes stay lost... I say Amen
brutha...
As far as me desiring the priesthood from anyone, you can rest
assured I have no inclination in that area. I never wanted it but had
to have it so I could serve a mission and go to the temple, etc. It
never felt like me, and I never liked the subject, or the stigma of
being ordained. I never was a deacon or a teacher so I lucked out. I
think I can speak for my pigs when I say they aren't inclined either.
[Oink!]
I'll bet Moroni would gladly tell his fascinating Grandpa stories on
into the night, to ANY little children begging (like the time he
single-handedly got his head cut off, or his cabin warming visits
with little Joe back in the old days before they had X-box). If we
are commanded to become as little children, then as we manage to
achieve that status, we should get the benefits of Grand-pa Moroni's
bedtime stories? The insight you shared was not in the Sealed
Portion, yet it helps everything. I'll also bet the image of Grandpa
Moroni "takin' it like a man" will be recalled with peace and
forgiveness in the event that we ourselves are ever about to be
wrongfully gillotined (possibly by our own patriotic soldiers) in
some not-impossible-not-too-distant future. If it doesn't distract
from the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then it must be something that can
be allowed somehow. WHAAAAA!I want a another Grandpa Moroni story or
I'm not going to bed...
While I'm thinking about it...
I have recieved an insight about the three nephites and their ability
to blend in with any society they choose to visit, but will wait to
confirm this with you or them some time in the future. It is a very
personal insight that gives me the biggest thrill, but at the same
time something causes me to pause here, as I was about to reveal it
publicly. Hmmm. That's wierd.
Anyway...
No one commented on my questions about the Official Press Release not
being Officially released yet?? I have some energy for that issue,
but I'm lacking in understanding still.. let me know before you leave
for the tailgate party.
And Finally...
At the end of your spiritually enlightening epistle to Todd, I
noticed the letters: k;jllklkjj;
and couldn't figure out what they meant, until I noticed when I went
to close the window (Word Doc) it asked me if I wanted save the
changes??? Huh? I went back and sure enough, I could delete the
letters my two year old son had added to the document. I'm not sure
if you are aware that changes could be made to your writings once
they are opened, and I'm not sure if the changes one might make would
appear on the original. I'm not computer savvy enough to know what is
normal, and no one is here to ask, so I thought I'd mention it, just
in case it's not good.
Harry Dear
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, Christopher
wrote:
> Dear Harry,
>
> You ask some great questions that have recently, just yesterday,
been answered.
>
> To find out more of what the Three Nephites did, and how the Native
American Indians became a peaceful, loving people, go to the
Questions and Answers link I gave yesterday and find "Lost Ten
Tribes" link and read and be enlightened. (The link won't be hard to
find, as there are currently only two, as I will be adding to them
when time allows.) But what will speak to you will astound you.
>
> http://www.thesealedportion.com/questionsandanswers.doc
>
> As for our dear brother Moroni, to put it simply, he submitted to
the will of the Lamanites, loving them all the while as they cut off
his head. His last act was very similiar to the last act of our
friend, brother and Lord, Jesus Christ, who forgave those who hated
him and killed him.
>
> I, for one, would rather not have to show such a demonstration of
love and gratitude towards my fellowmen, and that's why I am hiding
in my own "cave" while I do the work I have been given to do.
>
> Unfortunately, there are NO Nephite records hidden in the area of
the state of New York, or Utah. Todd and others have seen visions
initiated and prepetuated by their own desire to know these things
and make sense of it all. The records that Mormon possessed, that
were given to him by Ammoron, were taken by Timothy, Mathoni, and
Manthonihah and hidden in a place where they will remain safe until
the coming of the Lord, who will call them forth to allow all the see
what we have been commanded to accept on faith, so as not to impede
our free agency. Oh, how many friends I would have if I could just
share all these things with them. But then they become my friends
BECAUSE of those things, and not because they are TRULY FRIENDLY!
>
> Those Nephite records are in a place that is so obvious, that when
it is revealed, we will all gasp and say, "They were right under our
noses all the time and we didn't even know it!" :-) The theif who
would steal them will obviously look in the places where they are
expected to be, now wouldn't he? :-)
>
> If it would bring more people to Christ, then Moroni would write an
autobiography telling about his life. But as did his father, Mormon,
understand, THIS WORK IS NOT ABOUT MORONI, because then, according to
his own words, which I recently shared with Todd, men would be
following him and setting up a priesthood under his name, which would
unfortunately be called:
>
> THE MORONIC PRIESTHOOD. :-)
>
> Why is it that the Three Nephites are called the Three Nephites and
their names not given in the Book of Mormon, because they didn't want
churches and priesthoods popping up all over the place with the
Mathonic Priesthood, the Mathonihahic Priesthood, the Timothic
Priesthood, or whatever other nonsense name some egotistical man
would claim to have received a "pretended" or "spiritually assumed"
visitation from one of them, claiming to have their hands laid upon
his head, and calling him to some special calling to lead people to
The Church of Mathoni.
>
> For the same reason, the brother of Jared, is known as the brother
of Jared, and his "friends", the sons of Joktan (Genesis 10: at the
end of the chapter), are not named. Unfortunately for some of us,
our names had to be given to give credibility to the work that we
were commanded to do. Therefore it would appear logically that
a "bearer of Christ", influenced and refined by the ministrations of
a spirit being who understood his family and culture, perhaps his
uncle "Mark", would be one that would be a constant "nemesis of evil"
and properly called to bring much to light in the fullness of the
dispensation of times. (The American authorities had the honor to
take off the last part of his great-great-grandfather's name and make
it "ka", which is easier to pronounce in English, than the Czech.
Nemelkau, or Nemilkova, which came from a group of names particularly
associated with a protective nature from evil spirits.)
>
> Now let's get on with the Christopherian Priesthood, which rhymes
with Luciferian Priesthood, which would have the same power if it was
ever created and allowed to be given to "special" men who lust after
power and special recognition.
>
> Trust me, if I was going to give any "priesthood" to any man by the
laying of hands, your pigs would soon feel my touch, and probably go
wild, run around in an insane like manner and cast themselves off a
cliff to their deaths. Therefore, to allow you to eat next winter, I
will refrain from giving MY PRIESTHOOD to them. But please, know,
they would get it long before it would be offered to you! :-)
>
> Any true man of God, would point all souls towards God, taking NO
GLORY to himself, not one jot, not one tittle. A prophet's job is to
preach repentance and turn people to the words of Christ. In other
words, he would tell the people to quit being bigots, soothsayers,
hypocrites, and Republicans, and come unto Christ and start loving
your neighbors and your enemies, and do unto them what you would want
them to do unto you--a simple message a child could understand.
>
> Harry, Ya Aint Go'n To Get Nuthin From Those There Resurcted Be'ns
But Told To Tend To Yur Pign's And Treat Em Good!
>
> Ask not what they can do for you, ask what you can do for them.
(Plagarized and changed)
>
> And when you ask, they will say to you, "Except ye have done it
unto the least of these my brethern, ye have not done it unto me."
>
> And you, my friend, do so with love and humor.
>
> We all thank you,
>
> Your Friend, Brother, and Servant,
>
> (Name Withheld For Obvious Reasons)
>
> A Bearer of Christ.
>
> "H. H. Dschaak" wrote:
>
>
> Chris,
>
> In your reference to the meeting on March 12th:
>
> It was hinted that the date, (and the minute) might be of some
> significance, and not just your usual poker game with your best
> friends from the other (the "IN") side... Can you expound on that a
> little?
>
> Also, Is Moroni going to be one of the 7 men at the meet? If so, is
> it wrong to ask him some questions for me(us)? I think it would be
> wonderful, (as well as insightful and helpful) if we could learn
the
> story about what happened to him after he finished abridging the
> ancient writings, and sealed them up till the latter days. In the
> Sealed Portion he said he was going to go let the Lamanites do with
> him whatever they wished, but what eventually DID happen is a
> complete mystery. I know for myself, I've heard rumors that he was
in
> Utah area, but the plates were sealed up in Cummorah, which as
> everyone knows is in New York area. That's a long walk. Was it days
> or years after he finished with the gold Plates that he died?
Another
> question in my mind is that the Lamanites in his day hated Whitey,
> but when White Man arrived on the shores of this Continent
centuries
> later, the descendents of the Whitey-haters were very hospitable
> towards the sailors. Something surely happened in the meanwhile,
that
> Moroni, (or even the Three Nephites) might be able to share with
us,
> if it's appropriate of course, to sorta help fill in the blanks,
(so
> we don't have to...) It could go along way in helping our cause.
>
> On another note, How did you come to know that John the Revelations
> Scrambler was your best friend in the Spirit World? Does that mean
> you've been inspiring him all these years, (until you got borne)?
> Also, If the true meaning for Christopher is "the bearer of Christ"
> would that mean the true meaning for Christine would be "the bearer
> of Christopher"? D'oh! (Please IGNORE that last part)
>
> Harry
My testimony of Christopher Nemelka
Hey All!
I know I have been pretty brash at times, and for good reason; some
of the people that come to this site do so with the intent to demean
someone and something they know nothing about. I just want to help
all of you weed out the fools so that you can get it on with the
truth of these things Christopher Nemelka has brought to this world.
Listen, I don't claim to be a Saint in fact, I know I am going to
enjoy eternity in probably the Telestial or Terrestrial kingdoms with
my friends. Yes, I love my wife, but I don't particularly like being
a dad to snot-nosed kids running all over. Yes, I look at the bodies
of other women and have got turned on a time or two. Yea, I like my
nice home and my nice car and all the other toys I buy with taking
money from coporate saps who need my trade (a lawyer) to protect
their selfish interest from truth, righteousness, and the corrupt
American Way. Some of my clients are General Authorities, and being
their legal representive I have found about as much Christ-like
attributes in their financial and personal dealings as I do "truth"
in that "Holy Ghost" idiot who told us all that he was the Holy
Ghost, Gabriel, and all the rest of the holy men. What a fool!
I have been aqainted with other attorneys who have defened relgious
zelots and fanatics and I hear their stories of these idiots who
think they have been called of God to rid the earth of scum like me,
who don't believe in their "bull----" (Ah, Ha, Alex, Chris, and now
Johnny, you guys thought I was going to swear, but I didn't, so
there!) This complete derranged zelot who kiddnapped the Smart kid,
what an Idiot! But you know, I have sat in on one of the guys
hearings and read some reports on his mental state, Hell, the guy
sounds just like this Todd Jumper guy who says he's the curator and
gaurdian of the gold plates! Hey, Todd, are you going to get more
hands placed on your head by beings that aren't there so that you can
be justified in the kind of garbage that most fanatical zelots who
only see their own egos in their spiritually hypnotic states get out
of their darkened dumpsters--their own brains? Come on, Dude, get a
clue and learn from a real prophet of God whose got some authority.
This brings me to Nemelka. I know his brother and his uncle, both
great attorneys who I respect in their feilds. I followed somewhat
loosely the "railroading" that Judge Lindberg took Nemelka for a ride
on, and have met with Christopher and discussed the legal
ramifications of his actions and the problems he has with his ex-
wives. Let me tell you this: If the guy would put up a fight,
Lindberg,and all the broken-hearted emotionally frustrated idoit ex-
wives he has would lose BIGTIME! They only reason the law has
anything on Nemelka is because he refuses to fight anyone, and follow
the example of Jesus in these things. I think he's crazy as a man,
but boy is he justified as a prophet.
Those of you who haven't met him need to. Only then will you see a
very intelligent, but humble, non-fanatic truth giver as I have ever
seen one. I would put him up against any attorney, any judge, any
relgious zealot who thinks he knows the truth, and they wouldn't have
a chance against the knowledge and insight that he has been given. I
challenge any of you to meet him and confound him! Good luck fools!
I was not easily won over by his claims and went to a couple of the
General Authorities that I know to ask them about all of this. Those
idiots didn't know anymore about the sealed part of the gold plates
than they do how much interest they're paying on the expensive cars
they drive and the property tax they pay on their big expensive
houses. When I asked for guidance in doctrinal issues, the fools told
me to go see my Bishop, of all people. For hell sakes, my Bishop
doesn't know his head from the head of his counselors who got their
heads up his a-- (almost got me!)
Finally I read the SP, and I couldn't believe what I had read! It
opened my eyes to things I already understood and things that I
didn't understand and had questions about. I was floored. I then met
with Christopher again to get his take on all these things, and found
him warm, humorous, and simply unaffected by the magnitude of his
important calling. His demeanor is one of a man that I would
imagined walked around Jerusalem dodging the stones and bull that the
Pharissess and Saudeeces threw at him. All I can say is that
Christopher Nemelka is not a fake. He's the real thing, oh yea, Coca
Cola!
I don't care much for religion, but I do care about truth. The guy's
got it going on. He hasn't made any claim to led anyone or give
anyone advice except to read the SP and follow Christ and listen to
his words. I offered to pay for his legal services and offered him a
loan if he needed to take care of his needs, Hell I would have given
him the money if he wanted. He didn't take anything and refused
everything I offered! Oh yea, it's the real thing, Coca Cola! There
isn't a LDS leader that can hold a candle to this guy!
I am not going to follow this discussion group any longer because the
truth is if anyone really finds out who I am, I am in deep sh-- with
my profession and would lose all of the LDS clients I have and will
be one of the poor you guys are talking about. I am going to listen
to the advice that Christopher gave to me--love your wife and kids
and be honest in your dealings with others enjoy who you are with the
happiness that you chose for yourself. Okay, I will. I am Telestial
and DAMN PROUD OF IT!!! But I'm glad I have the truth that I will be
happy in that kingdom and I won't have to be with the rich LDS people
that haven't got a clue what truth is.
Good luck and protect my friend Christopher. Though he doesn't need
you guys like you need him. Yours in truth, Josh Farnsworth Esq.
Extraordinarie
HH Dude examining JJ Dewd
Ah friends and neighbors,
As anyone here can attest, I am no spiritual giant. It is my
understanding and testimony that religious minds are among the most
dangerous minds in the world. Does that mean I have no friends that
are religious? Not at all. Most of the people I hang with are very
religious. Most of them claim that God hears and answers their
prayers, that they are blessed, and that they are happy. A few of
them rarely pray, (or never pray), and are happy none-the-less. I
congregate mostly with the latter-day Ain'ts who pray not. We despise
suits, except for weddings and funerals, and are usually as confused
about the Scriptures, and the Priesthood and the Holy Ghost and the
Atonement as any child ever was. To me, those kinds of things just
don't matter. "Little children" understand the feeling of being
happy, and that's all that does matter. When you tell a child he or
she has a Heavenly Father, there is no question about whether or not
it's true. The only question you might get, is whether or not there's
a Heavenly Grandpa too. If you tell this same child he or she also
has a Heavenly Mother, there is no barrage of questions or quoted
scriptures, or obscure writings, or scientific papers to consider
while attempting to prove or disprove the new revelation. It just
makes sense, and not only to kids. I have heard that the Light of
Christ allows you to be able to discern the difference between right
and wrong, and this is reiterated several times in the Sealed
Portion, but I don't think a child has to rely on the Light of Christ
to know whether or not he or she has a Heavenly Mother. He just
knows. Maybe that was one of Heavenly Mother's stipulations as the
different Plans of Salvation were being drafted prior to their
implementation. Does any of it have to be confirmed by a burning in
the bosom before it can be "known"? Ha! I can't say that it is
anything that anyone should have to pray about, or that anyone should
have to argue about, but some still do. If you told this same child
that he or she would have to be baptized in water and receive the
Holy Ghost in order to return to the presence of his or her Heavenly
Parents, you might get a blank stare. This is because you just
introduced somebody's odd sounding rules about a particular religion.
We know that from the Sealed Portion, that as Spirit Children, we
never heard a word about being baptized or receiving the gift of the
Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, because that wasn't invented
yet. Christianity itself wasn't invented yet. The rules in those days
were few: Love thy neighbor as thyself... Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you... be happy. But those days are long gone. Now
we think we have to wrestle with the scriptures over the rules.
Things are so screwed up that we can't 'just know' anything
anymore... if there weren't two or three eye-witnesses to something,
then according to the new rules, it just can't be... In this regard,
I think we are lost, and we deserve to be lost. If I saw an Angel of
Light or a UFO and no one else saw it, I may as well forget about it,
cause it didn't really happen. Even if I took a picture, or shook His
hand and had Him sign my Yearbook, it would still be a lie to
everyone else. Here we have a man, Mr. JJ Dewey who says he
is "examining" the Sealed Portion using his best judgment, and it is
obvious that he doesn't just "know" it IS what the label says it is.
In one breath, JJ claims that the Holy Spirit dwells in him..
"If it were not for the Holy Spirit within me all this condemnation
may may me a little nervous, but fortunately there is nothing to
fear as long as the Spirit dwells within me."
... but he still has reservations about the Sealed Portion being an
abridgement of ancient records tediously compiled by the loving hand
of Moroni... (who also claimed to be accompanied by the same Holy
Spirit, all the days of his life) Looks to me like two different
Holy Spirits working and dwelling in two men who like to wrestle with
the scriptures… and haven't located each other yet… Brother Moroni,
while under the influence of the Holy spirit relates the history, and
the pure and simple truths, but Brother JJ under the Holy Spirit
wonders how it could be that words appear exactly as they do
centuries before they were even thought, or how anyone could travel
to the edge of the universe, or how BILLIONS of Spirit Children could
be Fathered by one Being without having sex... or how all modern
technology could possibly be from the devil. I asked him in a post
how it is that the 'still small voice' (again, the Holy Spirit
dwelling within him) he claims to hear, (the same one he went to
great pains in his book to teach his followers about), didn't just
tell him that he was in the right place at long last, and he replied
and said something to the effect that it was his responsibility to
weigh all the facts before he put it to prayer... Hmmm? That's too
bad... I think such is the fallen state of most men, but not most
children. I don't even try to teach the Concept of the Holy Spirit to
my kids… they wrestle enough as it is…
JJ also said that so far no one who claims to have read the Sealed
Portion has declared (in any convincing voice) that the Holy Spirit
has testified to them that these things are true. He even challenged
those who come here to re-think their conviction, (forgive me for the
paraphrasing here), and maybe decide for sure if we are indeed
convinced by the power of the Holy Ghost, and not just Chris or his
flattering words. He then said something to the effect, that there
are always those off-tilt types who publicly swear to all kinds of
things, and so I'm wondering what does it matter to JJ what any of us
really thinks? Is this going to be up for vote? I think not. It (the
Sealed Portion) either sings to you, or it does not. Is that the Holy
Ghost? You tell ME…
When I was reading the Sealed Portion, I went there. It was just like
the first time I read the Book of Mormon. I saw the Spirit World as
it was being described, I went to the edge of the Universe, and saw
Dad make a Sun out of nothing, I slept on the floor of Moroni's
cavern while he chinked away at his work, just like my own kids fall
asleep at my feet while I'm on this computer. I never had to prove
anything. I only wanted the stumbling blocks removed, and there they
went... I am NOT in a fallen state. I am alive, living in the same
world as JJ Dewey, and my eyes are open. I am there forever.
Chris is my brother. I am everyone's brother, and here, ready, and
able to serve. I will never wrestle with Scriptures, or rely strictly
on Science as we understand it, and I will SUFFER with the
convenience of modern technology until the day comes when I have no
need for it. When I can communicate, or travel, or heal, as the Gods
do.
I'm now reminding myself that JJ Dewey could mastermind his Books to
the point of keeping people coming back for more, and even paying
money for them, when he clearly states that they are fictional. Well
he states that, but the underlying message to the readers is that
they really AREN'T entirely false, that if one continues, they can
come to know that certain things are NOT the product of his own mind,
[that he is a sort of mouthpiece for [ahem] someone or something, but
he has to say the story is fictional, so as to avoid persecution,
etc. FWIW, I think this was a very cunning idea, whosever it was. IN
the story about "The Immortal" (who is John the Revelator), JJ was
hand picked to teach the children of God true principles about
ourselves and the True nature of Christ, God, etc, and He was chosen
by Joshua (Jesus)and tested by John himself. Some of the tests that
JJ passed were his ability to keep Secrets, (hmmm…), be punctual, and
remember things as they were actually written. I know that I myself,
and my wife, and our oldest son were anxious to see what would happen
next. We were "spellbound" as if we were privileged to be hearing the
truth about John the Beloved, who was on a mission in Boise, (our own
state) in our own timeline. What a thrilling concept intended to
teach the lost and the downtrodden the mysteries of the universe, and
make a little money to boot. Now I don't imagine Jj has made expenses
yet, but Is the money earmarked for the poor? Nope. It goes into JJ's
pocket. A wonderful preacher/minister/teacher he is indeed, as "The
Immortal" is well done and an inspiration [of this I can testify] to
some... I will say this too, that when I happened upon the Sealed
Portion, I had no choice but to surmise that JJ must have been a type
of precursor that would pave the way for The Final Testament of
Christ, and the Prophet who would translate it, but now it appears
that that is not the case. If JJ were an Elijah or an Elias, or a
John the Baptist, he would have "known" his mission was fulfilled the
first time he became aware of the existence of the Sealed Portion. He
would have easily been able to determine that the "other" Sealed
Portions out there for anyone to view, were NOT the real one, but in
his own words, he still can't tell if he should waste too much
time "examining" them. After all, he's got a following, and a group
to monitor, and more stories to write. I think there is a Golden
opportunity here for JJ Dewey to prove to the world what kind of
Servant he is, and which God he really serves. I challenge JJ Dewey
to reveal to his followers and fans what parts of "The Immortal" are
contrived. By this I mean to go through the entire story and put the
fictional parts in red or bold print, so all can see what the truth
really is, which teachings about the Gospel of Jesus Christ are
added, (thereby leading the hearts and minds of the gentle readers
away from the pure and simple gospel) and also so we can come to know
and appreciate how wonderful of a writer JJ really is. I know that
the wisdom contained in "The Immortal" has been completely superseded
by the Sealed Portion, which is published free to everyone as the
gospel truth, to be tried and tested by all, and that it contains the
fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, with NOTHING added, but many
things revealed. I know that John the Revelator does in fact live in
these times among us, and that he could have appeared to JJ, and may
have, but for some reason, is not with him during this time. I'm sure
we can learn from John himself on the 12th of this month, how he
feels about JJ and his pretending to know him, or teaching the people
in his stead...
I told JJ in a post that if the Sealed Portion did not resonate with
(in) him upon his "examining" it that I would be concerned. I was not
thinking about just him, but about those (like my family) who he has
possibly unintentionally mislead, perhaps while desiring to do just
the opposite. It will be interesting to see what he does.
Personally, I can understand why any of you might not want your
feelings made public, because the Internet is tricky business. I may
not know what a Holy Ghost is, but I know when I am happy. The Sealed
Portion is all about happiness, yours and mine. It doesn't really
matter if anyone in particular rejects it, Moroni saw that there
would be few who would come to thank God for it, and I seem to
remember he wanted to complain sometimes. (like it might be a waste
of time) For JJ and those who have all the answers to everything in
the Universe, it might seem like a waste of time, but not to me.
HH Dude
Re: HH Dude Examining JJ Dewd
One can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, and maybe one can't
fool all of the people all the time, but under the influence and inspiration of the TRUE Holy Spirit, or those
who follow God's plan in the spirit world, NOBODY can be fooled! :-)
An extraordinary "testimony" Harry!
PS J J Dewey has NEVER seen or met John, the Beloved, and has received his inspiration and works
from the same source as Davied Israel, who has mastered the Internet and has caused any who search
for the TRUE sealed portion of the Book of Mormon to be directed to his deceptive and misleading site.
Davied Israel published his false account of the sealed portion in 1987, the exact year I was called under
the direction of Joseph Smith to translate the TRUE sealed part of Mormon and Moroni's plates.
Lucifer knows what it takes to keep people on "his side", away from the truth. These men were
instrumental in giving enough "light" to have others follow them into mists of darkeness where their lights
do not have enough energy to illuminate the way back to truth. Each in his own time, in his own way
fullfilled the words of Nephi when he saw our day and spoke, saying:
"They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and
abominations, and whoredoms, they have ALL gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble
followers of Christ...
...these are the Harrys, the Johns, the Jays, the Anthonys, the Matts, the Helens, the Marylyns, the
Susannes, the Sheris, and so many other wonderful, intelligent people who want only to know the
truth FROM the Father...
...NEVERTHELESS, they are led...
...by the J J Deweys, the Terrills, the LDS Church, the Davied Israels, and every other organized
religion...
...that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men."
(II Nephi 28:14)
The Sealed Portion is the Final written Testament of Jesus Christ. There will be no other testament
given, except through the Holy Ghost as promised by Moroni.
One need not listen to Christopher Nemelka, or read any of his writings, which will always be free as far
as he is concerned, but one should read The Sealed Portion, The Final Testament of Jesus Christ,
and then...
..."They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn
doctrine." (II Nephi 27:35, given concerning The Sealed Portion.)
They that teach and follow the plan of Lucifer will reap the rewards of the same, and believe me, they are
great and wondrous temporary rewards for their hard work.
(Follow the Holy Endowment now)...
...But when a TRUE messenger of God comes down and teaches the simple and plain truths of the
gospel, Lucifer will turn his back on his servants. And when they come to him to get "paid", he will not
pay them, but will cast them out of his kingdom where they will suffer because they desired to receive pay
from him.
These men do not know Lucifer, because they have been receiving inspiration from him for so many
years that they have been convinced that he is God, which he is.
(Follow the Endowment)...
...And when they have raised their eyes and arms to the Father in prayer, saying, "Oh, God, hear the
words of my mouth!" The god of this world answers them, saying, "I am here, what do you want?"
There is only ONE SURE TEST whether or not a messenger of God has been sent from God: He will
NEVER sell his SIGNS AND TOKENS for money--NEVER!
And most assuredly, a true messenger of God would know what those SIGNS AND TOKENS really
mean...
...J J Dewey and the likes have no idea...
...He has written what he has, "...to deceive you and I would advise you to get out of his employ".
And then the TRUE messengers of Christ will cast Satan out by teaching the people the TRUTH, without
asking for money.
He that has ears to hear, let him hear, and who has eyes to see, let him see.
Your Friend, Brother, and Servant,
Christopher Marc Nemelka
christopher@...
sealedportion@.
Oh Come On!
Christopher contacted me yesterday and asked me to please do a bit
of monitoring on my own for one last time. I promised him I wouldn't
be brash, but good God, Almighty people! Come On!
Read the book before you start spouting off!
Dewey, I've read your Immortal and agree with Harry. If TSP is
true, your works are of the devil, Chris has already confirmed that.
If it's not, crawl back into you hole and illuminate those that have
the right sunglasses on to be able to bear "your light", because
those of us here want to discuss it and not your "lies". Sorry
John, the Moderator, I don't agree with you here. You know your
church wasn't the right thing to do at the time, and neither is
Dewey's works. I would have thrown the guy out of this group along
time ago. (Maybe that's why Chris didn't let me be a moderator)
Don't ya think Lucifer wants to bring a whole lot of light so he can
deceive and get his lies through? I don't think Chris or any of us
appreciate your endorsement or tolerance for JJ Spewy. Then again,
I'm not Chris and he made you Monitor and not me.
To you others that come on here spouting your bull, read
Christopher's autobiography linked to this group. I know the guy and
his family and his autobiography gives details of all your petty
questions. He dosen't set himself up very righteously in his autob.
but his honest
I agree that love is the answer to our problems, but there's got to
be some degree of "common sense" mixed in with the "Love" people. If
you've read TSP and don't think its true, then get the H--- out of
here so the rest of us can learn what we came here to learn. If it
is true, then I don't think Chris is going to be judged wrongly for
acting with more patience than Abinadi, Samuel or the other guys who
had to confront the "bull----" of their day and gave their lives for
it.
John's right that we should love each other and be tolerant as
Christ was, but there were times that he called a hypocrite a
hypocrite and fool a fool, a Pharisee a "whited-sepulchre", and I am
sure he would call a JJ Dewey a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Come on people! Read Deweys crap! He'll suck you in then keep the
peace with the law and the world by leading you to believe that he
might "be" or he might not "be" giving the truth. Christopher tells
us straight up, no mixing of words, straight up.
Dewey, you don't believe in TSP, so let it go!
Chris did say that you were so upset about losing credibility with
some who once believed in you that your ego counldn't take it and so
you're grappling to get them back. Don't you read! Chris challenged
you to find ONE of those who have accepted TSP and turned away and
followed YOU. There are none and there won't be any. But I'll bet my
wife (sorry honey!) There will be a lot more leave your "bull---"
when they read TSP. If you knew anything about loving your neighbor
you would praise the Lord and leave us the H--- alone! You don't see
Chris wasting his time on one of your discussion groups trying
to "grapple" for his "lost" sheep do you? Get a grip on yourself
Spewy and go back to where you became lost.
I am not Jesus Christ and will probably have to come back to this
mortal state of confusion to learn to love my neighbor better, but
until I go to come back again, I kind a like the new and better
truths that I am learning.
Come on people! John have you finished TSP yet? You don't seem to
have a testimony of it like others, but maybe you're just more laid
back in your expressing of it. You say it teaches truth, but is it
true or not? Do you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God? Have
you read some of his words and compared them with Chris'? Chris is
much more humble and accepting of people than JS was, but it could
be because he went through more human experiences before he got his
calling as a prophet. John you're a tough one to figure out but I
know Chris' trusts you, so who am I to say.
No, Mr. Giant, I am not a Christopherite, but I would rather follow
him than any other guru, religious leader, and so-called "revelator"
out there, because he makes sense and is one of the most
approachable men I have ever met. Dewmister: I think Chris has
already clarified that he didn't "shake John, the Beloved's hand, HE
EMBRACED HIM! Something I don't think you will ever get to do unless
you acknowledge your "bull" repent and quit putting yourself up as
a "light" to get gain--and "gain" doesn't necessarily mean money, it
can mean pride, ego, a following and others who look up to you. I
dare any of you to ask Christopher when you can what is it that you
can do for him. Offer him $35,000 cash to help his cause, and watch
what he tells you to do with your money. Hell, offer him a free
dinner and watch what he tells you to do. Most of all ask him what
commandment is the greatest of all, and he'll tell ya, and its not
following him. I am trying to obey this commandment by doing unto
others what I would want another to do to me, and it's like trying
to obey the first commandment of having sex to have kids, but not
partaking of the fruit that will allow me to do so. Because if I was
truly JJ Dewey and others like him, I would want someone to shoot me
dead, and put me out of my misery! Isn't that doing unto others as
you would have them do unto you? Okay, that wasn't appropriate, so I
would say this, Please brother JJ leave us alone and go back where
you came from, your not going to gain any followers here. If TSPis
true, then CMN is a true prophet of God, and if he is, then he
already told you to repent or you would experience emotional
turmoil. Since we can all tell you have no intention on "repenting"
go get your perscription drugs (or natural ones, they do the same
thing) and stock up on them. You're going to need them!
Re: Oh Come On!
Hey To The Johns,
You're right, I don't receive the emails but check from time to time
about what is going on. I am sorry (sort of) that I offend, but I
still want the truth to be known and I know (somethings). I think you
guys are intimidating the "true humble followers of Christ" with your
rhetoric and pious positioning. I doubt too many will respond to your
words because your line of thinking is way too "learned" for the
average Joe that just wants to know that Heavenly Father loves them.
If you ask me, I think you guys are focusing on the wrong "stuff" and
that's why neither of you have been called by God to translate TSP.
That's what I think. Neither of you have even read it in its
entirety!!! What's up with that??? Further opinion, I don't think you
guys know much about Christopher Nemelka or about Dewey, and I think
both of you are not humble enough as little children to be able to
get your own "revelations" on the mysteries, so you search for them
from other men. Nemelka has never gone to any other man to search for
truth. He went to God just like Joseph Smith did and others who
humbled themselves. Guess what? God never told either of them to
write things to others or start a church but to TRANSLATE SOME OLD
PLATES THAT CONTAIN THE FULLNESS OF THE GOSPEL AND WILL LEAD PEOPLE
TO CHRIST! Why doesn't he call the likes of you or J J Dewey to do
this? Huh? Huh? I know Christopher likes you guys, but I think you
will end up hurting him, (if that is possible) so I am going to keep
tabs on you both. Your pious attitudes thrown out about love,
charity, and your humility don't show any of the child-like attitude
of those who have strong testimonies of TSP. I see you guys as Oliver
C. David W, Martin H and the rest who turned on JS in the end,.
because of their egos and pride. If I have any influence over
Christopher (and I don't, dammit!) I would have you guys thrown out
of here now, but yes, I am one of those damn attorneys who just see
things as they really are, not as what men want them to be.
No, this isn't a kind post. I feel no good about you two. Christopher
Nemelka leads people to Christ, not to any other man, not even to
those who you claim have "some" of the truth. NONE of you guys can
come close to the truths revealed to us in TSP or in Chris' words.
Get a clue and get up on out of here. I am watching both of you.
(And I don't care a rat's --- if you kick me off this group or not. I
love Christopher and don't want his love for his fellowmen (his
harmless as a dove being) crapped on by two (serpents) like you guys.
What has he said, quoting Christ, time and time again: Except ye
become as a little child ye can in no wise receive these things. You
two are far from little children, and the reason you aren't getting
much response from others on this site, is because "little children"
run from guys who think they know it all and are not like them.
A warning to all who read these posts, watch out for the Johns on
this site, make them stand up and stand for something, or don't stand
at all. He doesn't need us to, but by damn someone's got to, stand up
and protect our dear Christopher from guys like these. Read the early
History of the LDS Church and find out how much sorrow guys like
these caused Joseph Smith.
Waiting and watching like a hawk, or Orin Porter Rockwell, which ever
you prefer, Joshua F.
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "John Crane"
wrote:
>
> I'm not going to respond to all Joshua's points because his
> membership setting is not to receive Email from this list, so he
> won't be able to read this anyway.
>
> But, I will say this in response to you all. My testimony is not
for
> sale at any price, and I will not by cudgeled or threatened into
> saying I know when I do not know, nor will I be threatened into
> saying I do not know when I know.
>
> If any of you are still in doubt as to my testimony, as if my
> witness hasn't come through my words, then here it is:
>
> What I know is Jesus is the Christ. I know that through the Name of
> Christ, in other words, by keeping the commandments of Christ, and
> feasting upon the words of Christ, we can obtain eternal life. I
> know that I am in Him and He is in me. He is the only master whom I
> serve, and I love him dearly, and if called upon would give my life
> for His life and for his testimony.
>
> I also know that the Fullness of the Gospel, insofar as it can be
> taught or revealed by one man to another is contained in the Bible,
> the Book of Mormon, and is now repeated, renewed, and re-emphasized
> in the Sealed Portion. I say "insofar as it can be taught or
> revealed by one man to another" because the fullness of the Gospel
> as taught by word of mouth and obeyed diligently brings us to the
> point where we commune with God and angels and where we learn what
> else we must do and know in order to obtain eternal life.
>
> And if the church I was involved with was "wrong", I was following
> the highest light I could, and my experience, at least, brought me
> to the point today where I can say, along with Alma, that I know
> these things for myself and not for another.
>
> Whatever invites, or entices, or persuades to come unto Christ is
of
> God.
>
> Whatever threatens, or intimidates, or accuses, even if one claims
> to be doing so in the name of Christ, is from another source.
>
> You see, Christ is also the WAY. The end, however well-intentioned,
> never justifies the means.
>
> It is true that Jesus was loving and tolerant. It is also true that
> he rebuked people. But, Joshua, please take a look at those whom he
> rebuked.
>
> Jesus rebuked hypocrisy, and those who dishonored his father's
> house.
>
> He also rebuked his own disciples when they displayed intolerance
> toward other teachers, displayed a lack of faith, wanted to call
> fire down from heaven to destroy unbelievers, tried to set
> themselves one above another, tried to stop little children from
> coming to him, and when they tried to deter him from performing his
> appointed mission.
>
> He never rebuked sincere seekers, however ignorant or foolish or
> misguided they were, nor did he turn away those who asked him
> sincere questions not intended to lay a snare for him.
>
> John
Re: Oh Come On!
Joshua,
I'll respond to this. John Z can speak in his own defense. I use the
word "defense" because I see this as an attack. An attack to which I
will gladly respond. Christopher has a policy of making his life an
open book. I have the same policy except when it comes to protecting
the privacy of those whom I love.
Re: Oh Come On!
HI Joshua,
It is really good to hear from you, and I have to grin that Chris
would feel impressed to call you and have you keep an eye on us. I
think he trusts you with his life, and I think I do too.
You are right about what children are drawn to, they are NOT drawn to
our long and verbose testimonies of interdimensional outer
consciousness heart warming manifestations of some vague one-on-one
spiritual convictions. They don't need it, and neither do I.
I had no idea that so many people on this list knew anything about JJ
Dewey, or his wares, but I have read the various comments, and I too
have taken inventory on people's position on the subject. Some are
hot, some are cold, and some are neither, which really reveals a lot
about a person when you think about it.
Moving ahead...
I have just today re-read the Work of the Father essay in the files,
http://www.thesealedportion.com/workofthefather.doc
and would like to say that it is my favorite so far. I think that
understanding the true Nature of the Father has been a major
stumbling block for me, as well as most of mankind. I read this and I
realize we are getting spoiled by having these truths unfolded and
explained whenever a question or bit of confusion is presented. It
feels nice. I am noticing that all my years worth of accumulated
wisdom brought me to this point in my life, so that I can see how
vain and obnoxious I have been. I would like to spend a few days
talking about certain aspects of this file, but will save it for
another time.
To Duane E: Your testimony is a witness that a learned man can still
learn, and I appreciate you hanging in there. I hope someday we can
meet and talk about a few things.
To Bryan: I'm sorry if I offended you by suggesting you were a Dewey
Disciple, but I thought that is what you were saying in your post to
Chris about you being a Dewey-ite. I do appreciate your attitude, and
look forward to seeing your thoughts as you negotiate the Sealed
Portion.
J: I've read all your posts, and you remind me of me when i first
Started reading all this stuff... I wanted to comment on every
paragraph and concept, which I (of course) think is best, because it
gives us an idea where you're coming from. The answers to some of
your questions are in the book, in easy terms, so I won't spoil your
fun with any shortcuts. Chrisbro must have told me a dozen times, to
JUST READ THE BOOK HARRY, and he was right. Don't worry about getting
banned for posting editorials, that's what the scroll bar is for.
John is just a typical grown-up who wants to control things he can't
control (us kids) and if he annoys us with his regs, we'll rebel and
make his life miserable.
Jodi: Can I have my book back now?
Thank you all,
Harry
Re: Oh Come On! (to all)
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "H. H. Dschaak"
wrote:
> To Bryan: I'm sorry if I offended you by suggesting you were a
> Dewey Disciple, but I thought that is what you were saying in your
> post to Chris about you being a Dewey-ite. I do appreciate your
> attitude, and look forward to seeing your thoughts as you
> negotiate the Sealed Portion.
Joshua: (?)
I appreciate you expressing a concern (as in a demonstration of
love) that you may have offended me. You did not. My 'feelings'
were pretty much as I stated--in that I 'surprising' (as in
humorously so) to me to having been called 'a disciple'--as I am
fully aware that if I were to characterize myself as any 'thing' it
would be something closer to being a 'hypocrite' than anything else,
as I find that try as I might, I still am more inclined to
be 'unfaithful', ignore or not recognize te voice of the 'spirit'
within. I would like to believe that I am getting better
at 'obeying', and realize that I still have a long ways to go. To
me, 'a disciple' is someone who is almost 'utterly faithful'
to 'that voice'. I cannot say that I have achieved this yet.
However, I do stand behind what I said to Chris as it relates to JJ
Dewey--as a man, teacher and his teachings. And, throughout my life
I have learned from *many* teachers, and hope to continue to learn
from many more 'teachers' for as long as I am upon the face of this
earth.
Yes, it would be 'nice' to be able to learn directly from
the 'greatest teacher of all'--The Christ; however, at present, and
due to my present/current level of 'evolvement', I must primarily
rely upon 'outside others' in the form of 'men'. Hopefully some day
I will be able to actually (on cue) be able to learn from my
own 'internal master'--The Holy Spirit, my soul--or however you wish
to term this--or by means other than 'other men'--but for now, all I
am able to do is to 'dimly confirm' the truth of 'things without'.
As I mentioned in another forum, the word 'seeker' just doesn't seem
to resonate with me, as for some reason, I do not--or no longer
consider myself 'to be seeking' in the classical/traditional sense--
as in 'seeking the (ultimate) truth'; or seeking a 'belief system',
etc., but more towards 'seeking' ways to (practically) 'apply' what
I learn, and to 'make sense' of 'many things' (situations, people,
thoughts, feelings, impressions, etc.) that I encounter on my 'daily
walk thru life'...and 'in the end' end up or come up with my *own*
system of confirmed truth/beliefs by which *I* can 'lead my life'
and ensure some level of success at moving myself along 'the path'.
Also I am interested in coming to a clearer 'vision' of how it is
that I might 'better serve' or be 'a tool for good'; as there have
been *MANY* who have 'helped' me, and believe that I have the
ability to 'return the favor' by 'helping others'.
Yes, I know that this isn't anything 'new or profound', and that
almost all here and even in other 'pursuits' believe this is what
they desire and/or are doing.
While I certainly understand 'righteous indignation', what I still
am having difficulty understanding--and accepting is what I perceive
as a 'peculiar brand/flavor' of 'venom' that I see being displayed
here; of which I do not believe I have ever seen exhibited before;
and find *this* above all else to be extremely 'disturbing'--and in
my 'experience' would not categorize what I have seen come from the
minds and 'pens' of others here *as* being 'righteous indignation',
but possibly something (or a reaction) to something entirely
different.
I simply do not understand what 'it' is that is being said by myself
and 'similar others' who pose questions that would evoke such a
response that I have seen from people here. So, what these
responses have done is to in-turn 'question' why this might be
occuring. First, I looked at the question and comments made or
submitted by people like myself, and was unable to 'discern'
anything 'untoward' about or in 'the questions'--nor could I find
anything that I might term as 'unloving', hateful, threatening, etc.-
-and even 'violent'. Yes, I could see how these questions might be
perceived as 'attacks', but the 'means of conveyance'--the words,
phrases, 'feelings', etc., were not as I might characterize as
being 'hateful or personal'.
However, when I read/reviewed the 'responses' I could easily see
what I will/have characterize/d as 'venom', and seeing this I can
only 'wonder' what is or was about the people who behaved in this
fashion--and hence, the 'composition' of those people--and what they
claim to 'represent' or the message that they claim to be teaching
or offering.
Further, the most 'serious damage' (effect) that these kinds of
responses has had on me, is that it in-turn causes me to question
whether I even want to take the time to read or consider 'the
teachings' that are being offered, if *this* is the kind/type
of 'result' (change) that I have to look forward to occuring in me
once I have 'ingested' (internalized) these teachings and
incorporated them into my own 'belief system'. Further, I would
hope that others could understand how this might also make me
question the proposed teachings; inasmuch as I wonder what it is
about 'the teachings' that attracts the kinds of people that would
treat, and say the kinds of things, in the way that they have said
it.
Can *anyone* understand or appreciate why it is that I might think,
feel or believe--or perceive these things as I do?
No, I have *not* 'made up my mind' as it relates to 'the teachings'
or the 'truth' contained therein (in the form of the Sealed
Portion); and what I am attempting to convey here is *not* meant as
an 'indictment' of them. The *only* thing that I am attempting to
get others to do is to stop for a moment and consider/review their
response/behavior and to at least ask themselves if their behavior
is reflective of what one might consider to be "Christ like". If
they believe it not to be, that if they truly believe in these
teachings--to be 'of God', then they--even tho they may not "feel"
like it, they might at least *try* to 'mimic' what they believe
that "The Christ" would act, behave or respond in/with similar
circumstances--and they at least try and 'copy' Him.? And what I am
referring to is what I perceive as being a lack of the expression of
what I perceive, know or understand as being 'Love'--as after all is
this not what Jesus, The Christ--or even "God" (however you know
Him) is about?
All I ask is...where's 'the Love' people?
At present about the only person I see taking what I would refer to
as "a middle way approach" would be JohnC, and see that even he is
taking 'flack' for doing so.
So, the *only* decision that I can make at present--based upon
my 'outward observations'--and confirmed by my level of 'spirit
within' is...is that until I see the kind of "Love" that I know
should or needs to be expressed and exhibited, then I shall continue
to 'just read' the posts...and am impressed at present--as a result
of the exhibitions of venom, shall not seek to read the Sealed
Portion. Now, once I see a protracted period where even Chris
himself has demonstrated to me a level of what *I* consider to
be "Love" towards others--and *I* mean *ALL* others--then I shall
reconsider my decision to look at the Sealed Portion myself and on
my own.
I am of course open to comments and suggestions as to why it is that
I should decide anything different at present...and would hope that
my decision would be received and accepted 'with love'
(understanding and even acceptance) and hope (and trust) this post
and my words and decision does not illicit the kind of responses
that I am speaking about--as if it does, it will only go to
strengthening my present decision--and no, it won't cause me to 'go
away' either (grin).
Regards
Bryan
Re: Oh Come On!
Joshua,
I think there is much merit in how intimidating this discussion group
might be to the humble and less learned. At times it seems more like
the mighty gods Zues and Atlas and Hercules and Achelles all slinging
mightly lightning bolts at each other while those who want to learn
are put off by long entries which few are interested in wading
through and by comments which don't textually tie one into the point
of the comment one is making.
I admit, I charged in overly hard and got my ears clipped and
deserved it. I just hope this discussion will not contunue to be too
intimidating for those who are concerned about the labels that may
end up being attached to them instead of getting a straight, clean,
loving answer to their question. The "labeling" that goes on here is
unacceptable. If I am "of the devil" then what is the point of even
getting in the discussion. If I get loving answers though, maybe
I can come to that conclusion and change. Those who appear to be
overly "learned" are also scarry because one does not know the nature
of that "learnedness" and may end up going down a strange path a long
ways before discovering the error.
The old saying "the only stupid question is the one not asked" might
well be the best way to apply "do unto others..." in this discussion
group.
Much love
Jay
Re: Oh Come On!
Okay, Attorneys can sometimes be Asses, and maybe I am, but I can't
help myself sometimes. I read John's post and rather liked his
responses to me. Bold and brash but humble. Okay, Maybe I am
paranoid, I don't know, but can all you all see what's going to
happen after this Press Conference???Geez Louize, the guys going to
have to have of "Gentiles" watching out for him, cause the Churches
of God are going to get him, as well as the government, his ex-wives
and anyone who is threatened by this truth. And yes, NEW GUY Dewey-
ite-friend whatever, TSP makes anything ever written seem like
jibberish. Its the greatest revelation ever written. Sorry your Dewey
couldnt do it better.
John, I liked your response enough to let Christopher be the judge of
who he trusts and who he doesn't. I am still skeptical, to say the
least, or to say the most, but time will tell. I know he won't fight
anyone in court, but I as well as his brother and a few others who
are legal "corruptions" of our system will take you into one of those
courts if you guys start lying, manipulating the truth and thinking
that it "is better that ONE man persish than a whole LDS Church and
fundamentlist idiots dwindle in unbelief" I dont' think Chris knows
the can of worms he's about to open. Okay, Ill back off and let Chris
defend himself. I do want to add one last comment to all of you
repeating what Chris has said so many times: READ THE BOOK! YOU DON'T
LIKE IT, GET YOUR OWN DISCUSSION GROUP AND LEAVE US ALONE. IF YOU DO,
THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU AND HOW IT'S HELPED YOU.
I am beginning to think that John was a good choice at monitoring
things, so I apol0...(do I have to say it, its against my profession)
okay, I apologize to the Johns. Damn that was hard to do! READ THE
DAMN BOOK YOU GUYS BEFORE YOU START MAKING YOUR UNINFORMED COMMENTS.
IF ANY OF YOU CAN EXPLAIN REVELATIONS, ESCPECIALLY TIME, TIMES, AND
HALF OF TIME, I'd be in yoour ballbark. I gotta get outta here before
Im spotted. Take care of things John. NOt your friend, but your
brother, Josh.
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Oh Come On!
Joshua Farnsworth wrote:
>
> And yes, NEW GUY Dewey-
> ite-friend whatever,
So Nemelka-ite guy do you really think such condescending responses will
help endear this group to new folks?
> TSP makes anything ever written seem like
> jibberish. Its the greatest revelation ever written.
Ok great. Would you mind giving us one or two specific new things that
have not been revealed previously that you have learned that stand out
in your mind as contributing to it being the greatest revelation ever
written?
> Sorry your Dewey
> couldnt do it better.
So have you read a large portion of his writings or are you doing as
you have admonished folks here not to do and judging before reading?
>
> READ THE BOOK! YOU DON'T
> LIKE IT, GET YOUR OWN DISCUSSION GROUP AND LEAVE US ALONE. IF YOU DO,
> THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU AND HOW IT'S HELPED YOU.
Good advice! Perhaps you and others could take your advice before
judging others? Also it seems that some fear any honest questioning or
discussion. Am I to understand that if one reads it and does not
immediately agree its is what it claims to be that you do not want to
hear about it or field any questions?
>
> READ THE
> DAMN BOOK YOU GUYS BEFORE YOU START MAKING YOUR UNINFORMED COMMENTS.
Again good advice practice what you preach.
Blayne
Oh, come on, one and all…
I see the signs of Spring and I feel Joy!
I read the Sealed Portion and I feel great joy and enlightenment!!!
(Yes, Harry you may have your book back to re-read).
I come to this group to find others to talk to about TSP, and find
instead the fragilities of humankind.
I feel the pain of those who feel hurt and betrayed by others
offering tools of progression as truth disguised as fiction, or the
precepts of men. I feel the pain of those who are caught in the
whiplash of that betrayal that is being manifest in "righteous
indignation"/anger, and defense of others. I feel the doubts of
some, and the gloating of others who claim it can't be true because
of this contention: a contention they choose to keep stirring up
instead ignoring past posts and getting into the present…
Contention is gleefully taking dominion…
Now even things written in flippancy to lighten the mood are being
taken personally.
I see EGO and insecurities rising in many to take the defense and/or
offense to things penned.
I have a suggestion:
(Words I use with my children in the hope that someday
They will think it a worthwhile plan of action.)
LET IT STOP WITH *YOU*,
(**YOU in the plural form, this is not directed at anyone
specifically**)
*YOU* must let the Negative STOP.
Then KINDNESS can begin with YOU,
Breaking the cycle, and changing the mood.
Before applying fingers to the keyboards, let us each:
Breathe
Relax
Find the peace within
Let go of the EGO
Remember the message of TSP…
The reason for being here.
I pray that we may pause in our defense of self, others, and the
Book...
That we may set aside our preconceived notions of "proper"
presentation...
That one ignore the chapter headings and *read*
The Sealed Portion prayerfully from front to back...
Praying over each concept as it is introduced to us...
Seeking and feeling the spirit of the Book from the beginning...
The logical and spiritual aspects of our be-ings joining together in
balance. Instead of inadvertently causing dissension within our be-
ings, by first reading it logically, and then praying to find
spiritual affirmation of the truth.
The truth speaks for itself.
I feel the same prayerful approach is effective with any task at
hand.
Love one to another,
Jodi Dschaak
To Joshua
Joshua,
Chris is very lucky to have a friend like you. In fact, one of the
things that first impressed me about Christopher is that he could
inspire the loyalty that you have for him.
I like Christopher a lot, even though I have never met him, and I
think the reason I like him is I see a lot of me in him and a lot of
him in me. And that's both our good and bad points. Many people
think I am too trusting for my own good, and people are always want
to defend and protect me, so I can totally understand your
motivation.
But a good watchdog knows when to bark and when to bite and when to
lick your hand. But if you try mounting my leg, you're in trouble. :)
I hope that sometime when I'm out in Utah we can meet and I can take
you to lunch or something, and show you that I'm not some kind of
bad guy.
I would like to be considered your friend as well as your brother,
so I am offering you my friendship. It's yours to take or leave as
you see fit.
John
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Oh Come On!
> READ THE
> DAMN BOOK YOU GUYS BEFORE YOU START MAKING YOUR UNINFORMED COMMENTS.
I have been moderator of several mailing lists over the past 10 years,
including professionally trained by AOL for 4 years. This type of attitude
would have been kicked off the list long ago if I moderated here, it makes
the purpose of the list, and the author look very bad to the new member. I
am sure you could care less if I left the list, but I am sure Chris cares if
this attitude keeps people from reading the SP.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Re: My Own Testimony of The Sealed Portion
WARNING: Christopher Nemelka is not a prophet. He is a predator and
deceiver.
When I started investigating Chris and his work, I ignored the
promptings of the Holy Ghost to "get as far away from this guy as you
can", and I was then under the influence of the adversary, who
counterfeited feelings that led me to believe good was evil and evil
was good.
I recant my journal testimony that was left on this website because I
wrote it under the influence of Lucifer and his servant, Christopher
Nemelka.
My eyes have been opened. I pray that yours will be too.
P.S. I request that my 'testimony' be removed immediately from this
website.
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "suzanneseeker"
wrote:
>
> Dear New Friends,
>
> Today I joined this discussion group and look forward to learning
> more from all of you, my dear brothers and sisters.
>
> I have posted my testimony under the files link on this discussion
> group, but have also posted it herein:
>
> I know by doing so I will be greatly persecuted when my family and
> friends find out about this change in my life. I hope that I will
> find new friends in the love of My Heavenly Father and His Son
Jesus
> Christ.
>
> Your New Friend,
>
> Suzanne
>
> suzanneseeker@y...
>
> MY TESTIMONY OF THE SEALED PORTION
>
>
> (This is an exact excerpt from my personal journal beginning
December
> 22, 2004)
>
>
> December 22, 2004
>
> On December 11, 2004 I met Christopher Nemelka at a single¡¦s
dance.
> He was at the dance because of his work. He¡¦s a caretaker for a
man,
> Charley, who suffers from a degenerative muscle disease and is
> confined to a wheelchair. Charley likes to attend dances, so Chris
> brings him. After the dance, Chris left me his phone number and
> asked me to contact him. I did, and we had a fun time chatting.
> Over the next few days I got to know Chris better through our phone
> conversations. I was intrigued with his ideas so I invited him to
my
> home where we could have further discussions.
>
> Chris seems to be a very spiritual person. I¡¦m not too sure about
> him though. It¡¦s confusing. He¡¦s been inactive for 16 years ever
> since he worked for Church security and discovered certain things
> that ¡¥opened¡¦ his eyes to the truth about the church. He related
to
> me an incident where he was in an upper room in the temple
(security
> stuff), and saw 3 X 4 foot hand painted portraits of each of the 12
> Apostles hanging over their corresponding, big oppulent chairs. He
> was shocked by what he saw. He got on his hands and knees and
sobbed
> in prayer asking for understanding and assurance to make sense of
> what he had so strongly believed about the church verses what he
had
> discovered. Chris said that a voice spoke to him and said ¡§Who
else
> would you have me lead my church?¡¨ (A doctor, a successful
> businessman, a lawyer..) Chris said that in that moment, he
> understood. They are who the members want to lead them.
>
> Chris shared with me many of his beliefs. He believes that the
Book
> of Mormon is the word of God and that Joseph Smith was a prophet of
> God. He believes that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
> Saints is the Lord¡¦s Church that the Lord ¡¥suffered¡¦ Joseph
Smith to
> set up, but that there is much worldly wickedness within its
> organization; just like in Book of Mormon times. He believes that
> many of the true doctrines have been changed. He talked about the
> sealed portion of the Book of Mormon, and its coming forth. He
> talked of how he knows that President Hinckley is the president of
> the Church, but that he is not the Lord¡¦s prophet. He related how
in
> Book of Mormon times, many times the church leadership became
worldly
> and the Lord sent other prophets to warn the people.
>
> Part of me says ¡§Suzy, get as far away from this guy as you
can.¡¨
> Part of me says ¡§Hear what he has to say. With the help of the
Holy
> Ghost you will be able to discern truth from error.¡¨
>
> Chris has some really off the wall theories. He also has some very
> interesting ideas.
> He says that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the same, it always has
> been, but it¡¦s the ¡§Church¡¨ which has taken on worldly ways.
>
> He shared with me his viewpoint on the Plan of Salvation ¡V Plan of
> Happiness. How Heavenly Father has set up the Telestial,
Terrestial,
> and Celestial Kingdom because he loves us so much and knows that we
> all have different needs for happiness. How we choose to live our
> life here reveals what Kingdom we would be happiest in. The
> Celestial Kingdom is one of service towards others. People who
find
> joy and happiness in serving others will find joy there. Those who
> don¡¦t find happiness in dedicating their lives to the service of
> others, won¡¦t want to be there because that¡¦s what Celestial
Glory is
> all about. They will be happiest either in the Terrestial or
> Telestial Kingdom. Heavenly Father created the differing Kingdoms
> out of his love for us, not to punish us. He wants us to be where
we
> will truly find happiness.
>
> I believe that too, and the way that Chris explained it, made
> complete sense. I always knew it- somewhere within me, but it was
> never put into such simple, beautiful and loving terms before. We
> don¡¦t have to worry about what Kingdom we¡¦re going to be in,
we¡¦ll be
> in the Kingdom we want to be in! We¡¦ll be in the Kingdom that
> reflects our true selves. That one piece of enlightment has
> illuminated my soul. I don¡¦t know quite how to explain it, but
it¡¦s
> so exciting and joyous to me. It reaffirms in my heart the deep
love
> our Heavnely Father has for us. It¡¦s so simple, so loving, so
full
> of hope and beauty.
>
> Chris talked about the Kingdoms and where they will be. The
> Celestial Kingdom is made up on three kingdoms (already knew
that).
> The earth will be a Celestial Kingdom (knew that) and also Mercury
> and Mars. The planet closest to the sun will be the highest degree
> of glory in the Celestial Kingdom. Then the kingdom¡¦s spread out
> from there. The Terrestial Kingdom will be the next three planets,
> and the Telestial Kingdom will be the three planets furthest away
> from the sun. I don¡¦t know if that¡¦s truth, but it seems very
> feasible.
>
> So, how did Chris come up with all these theories? Good question.
> He won¡¦t answer that question yet. He downloaded something on my
> computer. He says it¡¦s his Christmas present to my family. He
> called it ¡§My Father¡¦s Gift¡¨ and I¡¦m not to open it until
Christmas.
> That¡¦s the first promise he had me make. The other two are, that
I
> wouldn¡¦t contact him until I¡¦ve read it, and that I wouldn¡¦t
share it
> with anyone unless I felt inspired to.
>
> He mentioned that it might take me a while to read through it¡Kthen
he
> said that it was about 1000 pages long. Gulp! Woah!
>
> Chris has mentioned a prophet who will come forth in these Latter-
> days and open the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon. He even
> wrote down the year that it was supposed to have happened. I
didn¡¦t
> even want to go there. I didn¡¦t want to know. Please, please,
> please, don¡¦t tell me that you, Chris are he. I didn¡¦t ask. I
don¡¦t
> want to know. I will see what his ¡¥gift¡¦ tells me. He says that
it
> will explain all.
> Who is he and what type of man is he really? Lunatic? Fanatic?
> Disillusioned Wacko? or Spiritual Giant? I don¡¦t know. And
> I¡¦m not going to judge until I¡¦ve read, pondered, prayed and
received
> inspiration about ¡§My Father¡¦s Gift¡¨ and Chris¡¦s assertions.
>
> Oh my goodness, part of me thinks ¡§Why did I have to meet such a
> person?¡¨ ¡§Why me?¡¨ ¡§Why now?¡¨ This guy really thinks that
I¡¦m
> going to be enlightened with his Father¡¦s Gift and change my whole
> understanding, viewpoint, and testimony of the Lord¡¦s work????
>
> I¡¦ll be honest. I¡¦m scared. I don¡¦t want my whole life turned
> upside down. I don¡¦t want to find that most things I¡¦ve believed
> about the ¡§Church¡¨ are wrong. I don¡¦t even want to open myself
to
> the possibility. I don¡¦t trust myself! I am not just me, myself
and
> I. I am raising three amazing children and they look to me for
> guidance. You, Suzy are not going to mess up their lives!! Oh my
> goodness, Heavenly Father, please help me with this one. It¡¦s way
> too big.
>
> So why don¡¦t I just shove it under the bed and go on with the
status
> quo? I can¡¦t. What if I¡¦m wrong, and I turn my back on truth.
> Can¡¦t do that. I will walk to the edge of the precipice and leap
if
> I have to, to find out and live truth.
>
> Please Heavenly Father, please show me Thy will. I will honestly
do
> whatever thou asks of me.
>
> I am so grateful that I know Heavenly Father. Oh how I love Him.
> How blessed I am to know of His love for me. I know that the Book
of
> Mormon is the word of God, the spirit testifies that to me whenever
I
> read it with pure intent. Thank you dear Lord for that gift. I
know
> that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and that he saw God the
> Father and His son, Jesus Christ.
>
> As far as the Church. Yes, this is the Lord¡¦s Church. I have
felt
> that very strongly throughout time. Are the leaders misleading us
> with worldiness? I do not think so . I love President Hinckley
and
> personally, I think he¡¦s dedicated his whole life to the Lord¡¦s
work.
>
> So, what¡¦s going to come of all of this? I don¡¦t know. I just
don¡¦t
> want doubts put into my mind by the adversary. I know that Satan
> would love to have me.
>
> Please dear Father, light my way. Send thy angels and thy Spirit
to
> me that I might have the strength, spirit and faith to discern
truth.
>
>
> December 25, 2004
> Saturday, 7:15 PM
>
> Merry Christmas! ļ
>
> I made Christopher Marc Nemelka three promises:
> 1. That my family would wait until Christmas to open up ¡§My
> Father¡¦s Gift¡¨
> (he downloaded it on my computer)
> 2. That I would not contact him until I have read all of it
> (1000+ pages)
> 3. That I would only share it with those with whom I feel
> inspired to give it to.
>
> I will keep those promises.
>
> I said a prayer for guidance and inspiration and then with a
mixture
> of curiosity and trepidation, I opened ¡§My Father¡¦s Gift¡¨.
After
> scanning the first few pages, my heart dropped. It was as I
thought
> and feared. Oh Heavenly Father, please help me.
>
> I set up the printer to copy the first 100 pages and went upstairs
to
> my darkened room to pray. I pleaded with Heavenly Father for his
> Holy Spirit to guide and inspire me. My greatest desire is to do
the
> will of my Heavenly Father, no matter what that is. I want to do
> what¡¦s right in his sight. And I¡¦m scared. I need the Holy
Ghost¡¦s
> guidance and inspiration to understand and know the truth. I¡¦m
> either reading scripture from the Lord¡¦s holy prophets, or I¡¦m
> reading a mockery of all I hold dear. Christopher Nemelka is
either
> a prophet of God, or a Son of Satan. I am scared of the choices
and
> decisions that lie ahead. But I will face them and do my best to
> have the Holy Spirit as my guide. Oh dearest Heavenly Father, I am
> so frightened. Not because I doubt You, but because I doubt
myself.
> I have made so many mistakes in judgement in the past. I need
Thee.
> Is Satan trying to rock the very foundations of my faith? Or art
> thou blessing me with an amazing gift of light and truth?
>
> I¡¦ve only read Chris¡¦s introduction and part of the Book of
Lehi.
> I¡¦m exhausted and overwhelmed. Christmas and our late X-mas Eve
has
> taken it¡¦s toll, but ¡§My Father¡¦s Gift¡¨ and all it entails
wiped me
> out. I was hoping to stay up all night reading, but I can¡¦t take
> anymore in. Besides, I want to lay in bed and ponder and pray.
> Heavenly Father loves me dearly. I am so blessed to know that.
And
> because of that, when I am peaceful, I also know that He will not
> leave me comfortless, nor alone as I travel this unfamiliar and
> possibly perilous road.
>
> Lead me, guide me, walk beside me, help me find the way, I pray.
>
> Thy will be done.
>
> December 26, 2005
>
> I¡¦ve read more of his ¡¥translation¡¦. Who is this man? Some
things
> feel true and some things seem ¡¥off the wall¡¦. I wish I could
share
> my thoughts and experiences with him with others, but I feel
> restrained. Not only by the promise I made him ¡V which I won¡¦t
> break, but by what I feel is right
>
> Suzy, what are you doing and where are you going?? I pray
> continually to know what the Lord¡¦s will is. I feel the need to
read
> the translation straight through. I will. Then I will go through
it
> again and write my questions.
>
> Oh Heavenly Father, in the name of Thy Beloved Son, Jesus Christ,
> please enlighten my mind to discern truth from error in regards to
> this translation and Thy works.
>
> I love Thee. ļ
>
> January 4, 2005
>
> I haven¡¦t been writing because every spare moment I have, I read.
I
> have read almost 500 pages of My Father¡¦s Gift, from Christopher
Marc
> Nemelka. Since I started I have had a constant prayer to have my
> mind opened and enlightened. I was very skeptical of Chris, his
> writings and all it portends. I would start my study by reading
from
> Ether or Moroni, in the Book of Mormon. I did this because
> the ¡¥Sealed Portion¡¦ contains the writings of the brother of
Jared,
> and Moroni. I wanted to see how I felt reading something that I
knew
> was of God (Book of Mormon) in contrast to what Christopher
¡¥says¡¦ is
> the sealed portion of the gold plates.
>
> Many times during my reading I would feel truth in the words, and
yet
> I knew that many of the previous prophets¡¦ writings had been
quoted,
> so of course I would feel the spirit of peace as I read. There is
> much in the ¡¥sealed book¡¦ that speaks truth to my soul, and yet
there
> are things that don¡¦t feel right. I¡¦m not going to go into that
> now. So what is truth Heavenly Father? Who is this man,
Christopher
> Marc Nemelka? Is he in truth a prophet of God, or a tool of Satan?
>
> Today as I read, I¡¦m now in Chapter 38, the spirit was working
within
> me. The words seemed to enlighten my mind and speak peace to my
> soul. Even now as I think of what I read and felt, I am filled
with
> gratitude to Heavenly Father for receiving this gift of truth and
> light. Oh Dearest Heavenly Father, what does this mean? Is it
truly
> thy word? Is this truly the sealed portion of the gold plates. Is
> Chris Nemelka thy servant? I am filled with such joy as I read
these
> words, and yet, am I being deceived?
>
> More than anything on this earth, I want to do Thy will. No matter
> what that is, I don¡¦t care. I will do anything as long as I know
> that it is Thy will.
>
> So who is this man? At times I feel that he must be a prophet of
God
> if he could give the world these writings. At other times I wonder
> if he¡¦s just a gifted genius of the God of this world ¡V Satan.
>
> Over and over Moroni ¡¥states¡¦ in the sealed portion, that we can
know
> if a Prophet is of God by his works and how he lives his life.
Does
> he live as the Savior does in every way? The truth is, I don¡¦t
know
> how Christopher Nemelka lives. I know that he says he was called
to
> translate by the power of the Urim and Thummin, and the more I read
> of his record, the more joy I feel. So who is he?
>
> Please Heavenly Father, in the name of they Beloved Son, Jesus
> Christ, guide me and inspire me in my search for the truth
regarding
> Christopher Nemelka and the work that he states is the translated
> portion of the Sealed Book from the gold plates.
>
> Thy will be done, I pray with all the strength and hope of my soul.
>
> January 6, 2004
>
> It speaks truth to my soul. I read the Sealed Portion and I am
> filled with such joy. Oh my goodness. I have come to feel of our
> Heavenly Father¡¦s deep love for us in such a personal way through
the
> words of the Brother of Jared and Moroni.
>
> I know that Satan can deceive, so I still question at times. Yet,
> the words within the Sealed Portion bring such light and love to my
> spirit. While I read it, a strong, deep current of compassion
flows
> through me and out to my children and all of my brothers and
sisters
> of our world. Only the works of the Lord would fill me with this
> deep love and caring for others. It¡¦s truly a miracle within my
> soul. I have always loved others quite easily and deeply, but
> through reading the Sealed Portion, I believe I have tasted what it
> feels like to experience an even deeper, purer Christ-like love for
> others.
>
> Needless to say, I don¡¦t want to put it down. ƒº
>
> The ramifications of it all are overwhelming. Please dear Father,
> please, let me know in some really strong way, so that my
weaknesses
> or the doubts that assail me won¡¦t mislead me. I want to know the
> truth and Thy will concerning this work.
>
> My heart and spirit tell me it is of Thee. Is it?
>
> My heart is drawn out to prayer continually to know the truth.
>
>
> January 7, 2005
>
> When I¡¦m away from the Sealed Portion for a time, questions and
> concerns hit me hard and I begin to feel like I¡¦m drowning in
doubt.
> I¡¦ve learned that when this happens, all I need to do is immerse
> myself in the Sealed Portion and seek the Holy Ghost for guidance.
> The spirit of the work bouyes me up and frees from the suffocating
> chains of the adversary so that I can take in the exhilarating
breath
> of truth and light. And oh, the blessed peace that fills my soul.
ļ
>
>
> January 10, 2005
>
> Words can not express what I am feeling. I finished the Sealed
> Portion today and as I read Moroni¡¦s closing counsel, his words
and
> love burned deep within my soul inflaming my spirit with light and
> joy. I was overcome. The tears flowed and I wept heart-wrenching
> sobs of gratitude and love. Dearest Father, why am I so blessed to
> have this gift of truth and light? I am overcome. Thank You my
> Dearest, Beloved Father.
>
> January 11, 2005
>
> The Holy Spirit seared my soul with the testimony of the Sealed
> Portion¡¦s truth and my life will never be the same. Oh my, what
an
> amazing blessing. I still am in shock. ļ Gratefully so. ļ
>
> Overwhelmed. Yes. Everything, well not everything, but a lot of
> what I truly believed for the last 28 years was false; built upon
the
> precepts of men. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
is
> not the Church of the Lamb of God. It is not now lead by a prophet
> of God. Joseph Smith was the only prophet of God that lead His
true
> church. With his death, which was due to the member¡¦s wickedness,
> the authority of the Holy Priesthood after the Holy Order of the
Son
> of God, was lost with him. The men leading the Church of Jesus
> Christ of Latter-day Saints are good men, but not the Lord¡¦s
chosen
> prophets.
>
> It¡¦s all right there in the Book of Mormon when Ether talks of the
> Last Days. So much is so obvious now. How could we as members be
so
> blind?
>
> Thank goodness the gospel is true. The Book of Mormon is scripture
> translated purely through the Urim and Thummin. What a blessing we
> and the world have in the words of Christ through the Book of
Mormon
> and Bible. But oh, how blessed we are now to have the light and
> truth of the Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon. What glorious
> mysteries the Lord has unfolded to us. There is no way to describe
> the light and truth that the Sealed Portion brings to my soul. You
> just have to read it. And read all of it. And you will be filled
> with love and joy as the Holy Spirit testifies of these sacred
truths
> to your soul. ļ I am so blessed.
>
> I will never be able to get another temple recommend. People will
> think I¡¦ve gone over the edge, or that I¡¦ve lost my faith. No.
I
> have found it two-fold. ƒº And what they think doesn¡¦t even
matter.
> All that matters is being true to Heavenly Father and myself.
>
> My aching concern is for my children, family and dearest friends
(but
> especially my children). They know of my burning testimony of the
> gospel and my great faith and love in the Lord. Oh, how I pray to
be
> guided in incorporating these knew truths into my life so that my
> testimony of the Sealed Portion and our Father¡¦s plan will turn
them
> towards the Lord in love rather than away from truth in confusion.
I
> know how devastating it would be for my children, friends and
family
> to think that I¡¦ve lost the faith. And it would be so easy for
them
> to think that if they hadn¡¦t read the Sealed Portion and felt of
it¡¦s
> truth. I know.
>
> If you would have told me a month ago that my belief in the
> truthfulness of the ¡¥Church¡¦ would come crashing down, I would
have
> told you that you were certifiably crazy and meant it with my whole
> soul. The gospel and the Church were my life. They meant
everything
> to me because in my misguided beliefs, I thought they were one and
> the same.
>
> I feel as if I¡¦m bursting with light and truth that I want to
share,
> but I need to take it a step at a time. Line upon line, precept
upon
> precept. Christopher had me promise that I would only share it
with
> those whom I felt inspired to share it with. I also feel the need
to
> study and ponder the Sealed Portion slowly. I¡¦m so excited to
learn
> and understand through the Holy Spirit the amazing mysteries and
> truths that lie within its pages. ļ How blessed I am! I pray
> constantly as I read and take notes, that my brain will be able to
> remember what I am learning. I think I will because it¡¦s not so
much
> my brain, but my spirit that is being enlightened. It is so
> thrilling! Thank you Dearest Father. Oh, how I love Thee.
>
>
> February 11, 2005
>
> I can not express the joy and love I feel as I read the Sealed
> Portion. Our Father¡¦s love emanates from within its sacred words
and
> message. I want to share it with my children, my friends,
family,
> with the whole of mankind! ƒº It¡¦s hard to practice patience
when I
> know of this heavenly gem that shines forth and can bring light and
> truth into everyone¡¦s life. But I will follow the Spirit¡¦s
> promptings and follow the Father¡¦s timing, rather than my own.
I¡¦ve
> lived long enough to know that I know very little.
>
> When I lean upon my own knowledge and understanding, I usually fall
> flat. (I¡¦ve got the bruises to show for that! ƒº)
>
> It¡¦s raining. ƒº I love to hear its gentle pitter-patter. It
> soothes my soul.
This Discussion Group
Dear Friends,
I recently spoke with a friend who is following this discussion group
and I was informed, by opinon, of what has been going on.
I quickly read through the many, many posts that have been made, and
I must say, I see this discussion forum is not going in the direction
that I would have liked to have seen it proceed.
Please understand that I DID NOT form this group, but was added as a
moderator. I took the advice of a friend, who set this group up. I
listened to the advice of that friend and gave this a shot in hopes
that it might be a forum of discussion of this important work.
Sadly, it is not.
NO answers can be received concerning this work unless they are
received by and through the gift and power of the Father through the
Holy Ghost. No man, no prophet, not the Lord himself, can convince
another of the truth of this work, and since it is the Father's work,
why are any of us trying to do what only the Father can do?
We have been commanded and instructed to love one another and do unto
each other what we would want another to do unto us.
It is not the job of another to preach repentance or condemn the
false doctrines of men--that is my job and mine alone. Though done
in love, the preaching of a man or woman called of God will always
bring out the best and the worst in those to whom this prophet is
sent.
I am not afraid of my position, and in love I say:
Enough is enough.
This is the work of the Father as it has been presented. It is NOT
about Christopher Nemelka, his past, or his present. (Even though
there are many who think he's a "predator" and a "servant of
Lucifer" :-) ) Luckily for most (except Jesus,) Called Prophets, our
past lives are always a stumbling block to others.
I will not be involved in this discussion group where there is
continually bickering being done by the enemies of this work. They
do nothing but mock, ridicule, and abuse the humble followers of
Christ.
Q. Read the previous posts and tell me WHO IS IT who has been mocking, ridiculing, and abusing
the humble followers of Christ??? JOSH FARNSWORTH a.k.a. CHRISTOPHER NEMELKA!!
J J Dewey, who has been mentioned considerably in these dialogues, is
NOT a servant of our Father. He has made things up, like many, many
men do in an attempt to do what THEY feel is the right thing for our
human race. Though their desire is commendable, so was the desire of
Lucifer to present a plan and a course of learning that is contrary
to the Father's plan (he was doing what HE thought was best for
all)...that's why there was such a large group of our brothers and
sisters who followed his plan. Their doctrine feels good to us, as
does many of the feelings that Lucifer uses to deceive us away from
the Father's plan to accept his.
The works of men aggrandize the author and perpetuators of these
works. They cause division and contention in the world and do
nothing to end the one thing that causes all of our problems:
inequality and poverty.
That is why the Lord specifically said: "...MANY will say to me in
that day, Lord, Lord, have not we done many wonderful works in thy
name...?" The Lord does not know these men nor does he recognize
their works. Christ further says, "...when I was hungered, thirsty,
naked, or in prison, why didn't you attend to my needs?
The J J Deweys of this world will be forever putting themselves up as
a "light" to others, teaching many truths mingled with their own
interpretation of how things "should" be. They do not know the God
that they "actually" serve and worship, and certainly do not know the
God that they "should".
The Sealed Portion, The Final Testament of Jesus Christ is the
truth. It is, however, a knowledge of truth, something Lucifer
himself knows better than ALL of us.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is a gospel of action--the goal is to
bring equality to ALL the children of God and provide them with the
means necessary so that they can each find their own individual
happiness. It is the plan of the Father for all of His children.
I will not waste my time answering questions in this forum or
contending with those who have received no testimony from the Father.
They can remain "enlightened" in their own minds. They can
remain "clairvoyant or psychic", "healers and readers", they can
worship God according to the dictates of their own conscience. I
will never visit their websites or their discussion groups and
attempt to question their beliefs, nor will I attempt to do anything
but love them and let them believe what they want to believe. I will
say, "Good for you! IF it works for you, then good on you!" Christ
loves these kind of people. His problem was with the those that
already thought they knew and understood the truth.
If one thinks he or she has the "truth", then why search?
Little children don't have the truth, that's why they search with
broken hearts and contrite spirits.
I appreciate John Crane and Alex for their kindness to others,
especially John C., in his monitoring efforts. (Good job, Brother!)
If you wish to continue with this group disscussion and would like me
to post the continuation of my commanded expoundings on the doctrine
of The Sealed Portion, then I will notify this group of their
existence and they can deal with these writings appropriately.
I am here to preach and teach the gospel of Jesus Christ. If there
are those who are interested in seeing the beginning of this work and
how it will come forth, I invite you to come to the Press Conference
in San Diego, CA, on April 6. You can see me there.
It is time to put the gospel of Jesus Christ in action.
The time for words is over.
Those who are with me, are with me.
Those who are against me, are against me.
And I fully expect for the former to be significantly (very much so)
less than those of the latter.
Those who know this work are welcome to contact me personally and I
will respond in kind. However, I know that you do not need me to
teach you the truths of The Sealed Portion. You can learn nothing
from me. In time, it will be revealed what needs to be done to bring
equality to all the children of God and end poverty throughout the
world. This is the plan of the Father.
IF it succeeds, we all win.
IF it does not, nothing changes.
I remain your friend, brother, and servant,
Christopher Marc Nemelka
Re: This Discussion Group
What a friggin stone cold trip you are...
...oh 'brother' of mine...
Why do you speak of yourself in 'third person'? If your are
not "Christopher Marc Nemelka", then who in the hell
is 'speaking'?????
(...can't wait to hear the answer to this one...chuckle)
I also love this--as I particularly enjoy the convenience of this
contrived 'exit strategy'--dude, you missed your calling as
a 'politician'. ;-)
> NO answers can be received concerning this work unless they are
> received by and through the gift and power of the Father through
> the Holy Ghost. No man, no prophet, not the Lord himself, can
> convince another of the truth of this work, and since it is the
> Father's work, why are any of us trying to do what only the Father
> can do?
> It is not the job of another to preach repentance or condemn the
> false doctrines of men--that is my job and mine alone.
Who are you speaking as/for here? "Chris" or this 'other entity'?
> This is the work of the Father as it has been presented. It is
> NOT about Christopher Nemelka, his past, or his present. (Even
> though there are many who think he's a "predator" and a "servant
> of Lucifer" :-) ) Luckily for most (except Jesus,) Called
> Prophets, our past lives are always a stumbling block to others.
Interesting, as I would suspect that a REAL "servant of Lucifer"
(corrected by me to read "Satan"; as the 'original Lucifer'--before
his demise'--by definition--was "a bearer of light" and was with The
Father--from 'the beginning') would have been 'trained' much better
than you and wouldn't have been so silly (and trusting--as
the 'workers of light' often are) to assume that the 'approach' you
are using would work.
> I will not be involved in this discussion group where there is
> continually bickering being done by the enemies of this work.
> They do nothing but mock, ridicule, and abuse the humble followers
> of Christ.
Yeah, I agree...it *is* a real drag, huh? ;-)
> J J Dewey, who has been mentioned considerably in these dialogues,
> is NOT a servant of our Father. He has made things up, like many,
> many men do in an attempt to do what THEY feel is the right thing
> for our human race. Though their desire is commendable, so was
> the desire of Lucifer to present a plan and a course of learning
> that is contrary to the Father's plan (he was doing what HE
> thought was best for all)...that's why there was such a large
> group of our brothers and sisters who followed his plan. Their
> doctrine feels good to us, as does many of the feelings that
> Lucifer uses to deceive us away from the Father's plan to accept
> his.
Again...what a stone cold trip..as you (and these others) 'holler'
about JJ making up things, yet you absoutely refuse to address
similar questions as it pertains to what it is or whether *you*
have 'made up stuff'.
> I will not waste my time answering questions in this forum or
> contending with those who have received no testimony from the
> Father.
Yeah, again...I kind of feel the same way...know what I mean? ;-)
> They can remain "enlightened" in their own minds. They can
> remain "clairvoyant or psychic", "healers and readers", they can
> worship God according to the dictates of their own conscience. I
> will never visit their websites or their discussion groups and
> attempt to question their beliefs, nor will I attempt to do
> anything
> but love them and let them believe what they want to believe. I
> will say, "Good for you! IF it works for you, then good on you!"
> Christ loves these kind of people. His problem was with the those
> that already thought they knew and understood the truth.
Please, please, please...I implore you to *NOT* "love" me...as if
*this* is the kind of "love" that you have to offer, I believe that
I would be better off being "hated" by you. Seriously.
> If one thinks he or she has the "truth", then why search?
Sorry, I don't think anyone here has EVER expressed that they think
they 'have the truth', except maybe for 'you and yours'. (?)
Believe it or not, I came here looking for truth that I could use
and/or incorporate into my 'life processes'--and yes, I admit that I
*did* in fact find 'truth'--but sadly for you (and these
others) 'the truth' that I have discovered is quite a 'different
truth' than what it is that you (and these others) wished/wanted me
to see/discover.
> Little children don't have the truth, that's why they search with
> broken hearts and contrite spirits.
First of all--define "little children".
I dispute your assertion that 'little children' 'search' for
anything other than 'to be happy' and to 'fulfill self generated
desires' of comfort, love, etc., and do NOT do so because they do
not have 'the truth'. They behave in this fashion because unlike
yourself, the others here...and even me...have not yet
devloped 'egos'; which in-turn cause us to believe ourselves to 'be
separated' from each other--and God.
"Little children" sans 'egos', 'have nothing'--'have done or
accomplished nothing'--and 'need nothing'--and yet...(with all other
things being equal) are seemingly 'content and happy'? ...that is,
until they begin to learn how to communicate and discover from the
likes of 'us' that they need to be and/or do 'something else'--like
have a reason 'to be content and happy' other than 'just being
content and happy'.
For me, it is a simple thing to realize (by observing 'little
children') that 'to be content and happy' all one needs to do
is to rid themselves of 'ego'.
For whatever reason I sure don't see this is *any* of us!? ;-)
Yeah, I'm working on it just like everyone else...and again, I
surely don't see all that much 'evidence' of it. Wonder why?
> I appreciate John Crane and Alex for their kindness to others,
> especially John C., in his monitoring efforts. (Good job,
> Brother!) If you wish to continue with this group disscussion and
> would like me to post the continuation of my commanded expoundings
> on the doctrine of The Sealed Portion, then I will notify this
> group of their existence and they can deal with these writings
> appropriately.
"Commanded expoundings", eh? Hookay.
I guess in all this I would have to say that I feel the
most 'sorriest' for JohnC. Why? While I sincerely he is or would
be (un)able/(un)willing to admit it at present, I get the 'sinking
feeling' that JohnC has been played like a fiddle by 'a master'.
And, knowing JohnC and a bit about his past, I suspect that he's a
lot tougher than I give him credit for, and also know that he will
more than likely 'return with the golden fleece' and present it to
us...as I believe this is part of what he is here (as in on this
earth) for.
> I am here to preach and teach the gospel of Jesus Christ. If
> there are those who are interested in seeing the beginning of this
> work and how it will come forth, I invite you to come to the Press
> Conference in San Diego, CA, on April 6. You can see me there.
Is it going to be televised? If not, then I won't be able 'to see
you'.
Uh, why is it that "God" needs 'the press'?
> It is time to put the gospel of Jesus Christ in action.
>
> The time for words is over.
I agree...and hope that you actually try to attend to what you say
here.
> Those who are with me, are with me.
>
> Those who are against me, are against me.
...and then there are those (like myself) who really don't see any
reason for 'being either'--as in I really don't believe there is
anything or any reason to be 'for or against you'--as in those who
want you to believe that you either 'win or lose'--when there are
also 'other realities' such as "the game being rained out"--or 'it
not being worth watching'.
Well, dunno 'bout the rest of you...and I have just about had my
fill of 'this'. Nope, I'm not unsubscribing...just probably won't
be reading so much, as I've got other more important 'fish to fry'
elsewhere in 'my universe'.
Ta-ta-a-a-a-a-a-a-a....
Ya'll...
BryanRe: This Discussion Group - Last Post
See
comments
interspersed
below.
This
will
most
likely
be
my
last
post
here.
‐‐‐
In
TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com,
"Christopher
Marc
Nemelka"
wrote:
>
>
Dear
Friends,
>
>
>
NO
answers
can
be
received
concerning
this
work
unless
they
are
>
received
by
and
through
the
gift
and
power
of
the
Father
through
the
>
Holy
Ghost.
No
man,
no
prophet,
not
the
Lord
himself,
can
convince
>
another
of
the
truth
of
this
work,
and
since
it
is
the
Father's
work,
>
why
are
any
of
us
trying
to
do
what
only
the
Father
can
do?
>
>
We
have
been
commanded
and
instructed
to
love
one
another
and
do
unto
>
each
other
what
we
would
want
another
to
do
unto
us.
So
apparently
you
want
others
to
condemn
you
as
being
servents
of
Lucifer?
Because
you
certainly
do
a
lot
of
that
to
others.
Those
who
take
the
Holy
Spirit
for
their
guide
need
not
you
or
the
purported
SP
for
as
the
scripture
teach
the
Holy
Ghost
will
lead
one
into
all
truth.
But
those
looking
for
an
outside
authority
rather
then
the
Holy
Ghost
within
will
always
be
attracted
to
folks
like
you
and
writings
like
this.
>
>
It
is
not
the
job
of
another
to
preach
repentance
or
condemn
the
>
false
doctrines
of
men‐‐that
is
my
job
and
mine
alone.
Though
done
>
in
love,
the
preaching
of
a
man
or
woman
called
of
God
will
always
>
bring
out
the
best
and
the
worst
in
those
to
whom
this
prophet
is
>
sent.
Yeah
right;
your
serving
the
devil
but
I
love
you.
Don't
know
about
anyone
else
but
I
am
a
bit
tired
of
the
false
love
displayed
here.
I
nor
JJ
nor
anyone
that
I
recall
whom
you
have
condemned
as
serving
Lucifer
and
preaching
false
doctrine
have
not
preached
anything
or
condemned
you
or
your
work
but
simply
asked
a
few
questions
to
which
you
immediatly
condemned
as
being
in
league
with
Lucifer.
>
>
I
am
not
afraid
of
my
position,
and
in
love
I
say:
>
>
Enough
is
enough.
>
>
This
is
the
work
of
the
Father
as
it
has
been
presented.
It
is
NOT
>
about
Christopher
Nemelka,
his
past,
or
his
present.
(Even
though
>
there
are
many
who
think
he's
a
"predator"
and
a
"servant
of
>
Lucifer"
:‐)
)
Luckily
for
most
(except
Jesus,)
Called
Prophets,
our
>
past
lives
are
always
a
stumbling
block
to
others.
>
>
I
will
not
be
involved
in
this
discussion
group
where
there
is
>
continually
bickering
being
done
by
the
enemies
of
this
work.
They
>
do
nothing
but
mock,
ridicule,
and
abuse
the
humble
followers
of
>
Christ.
So
asking
honest
questions
is
now
abuse…
Amazing!
>
>
J
J
Dewey,
who
has
been
mentioned
considerably
in
these
dialogues,
is
>
NOT
a
servant
of
our
Father.
He
has
made
things
up,
like
many,
many
>
men
do
in
an
attempt
to
do
what
THEY
feel
is
the
right
thing
for
our
>
human
race.
Though
their
desire
is
commendable,
so
was
the
desire
of
>
Lucifer
to
present
a
plan
and
a
course
of
learning
that
is
contrary
>
to
the
Father's
plan
(he
was
doing
what
HE
thought
was
best
for
>
all)...that's
why
there
was
such
a
large
group
of
our
brothers
and
>
sisters
who
followed
his
plan.
Their
doctrine
feels
good
to
us,
as
>
does
many
of
the
feelings
that
Lucifer
uses
to
deceive
us
away
from
>
the
Father's
plan
to
accept
his.
So
since
as
you
say
you
treat
others
as
you
would
want
to
be
treated
then
judging
from
your
above
statements
you
want
others
to
condemn
you
as
in
league
with
Lucifer
etc.
I
will
not
do
that.
Your
statements
made
in
supposed
love
are
dripping
with
fear
and
threats
of
hellfire
and
damnation
if
one
does
not
accept
your
work
as
of
God
etc.,
and
contrary
to
your
statement
that
this
is
not
about
you,
it
is
all
about
you
as
illustrated
by
your
statement
that
it
is
your
job
alone
to
condemn
false
doctrine
and
call
to
repentance
which
is
contrary
to
scripture
that
calls
"all"
the
servants
of
God
to
preach
repentance.
Apparently
you
whom
claims
it
is
not
about
you
thinks
your
the
only
servant
of
God...
Sigh.
>
>
The
works
of
men
aggrandize
the
author
and
perpetuators
of
these
>
works.
They
cause
division
and
contention
in
the
world
and
do
>
nothing
to
end
the
one
thing
that
causes
all
of
our
problems:
>
inequality
and
poverty.
>
>
That
is
why
the
Lord
specifically
said:
"...MANY
will
say
to
me
in
>
that
day,
Lord,
Lord,
have
not
we
done
many
wonderful
works
in
thy
>
name...?"
The
Lord
does
not
know
these
men
nor
does
he
recognize
>
their
works.
Christ
further
says,
"...when
I
was
hungered,
thirsty,
>
naked,
or
in
prison,
why
didn't
you
attend
to
my
needs?
>
>
The
J
J
Deweys
of
this
world
will
be
forever
putting
themselves
up
as
>
a
"light"
to
others,
teaching
many
truths
mingled
with
their
own
>
interpretation
of
how
things
"should"
be.
They
do
not
know
the
God
>
that
they
"actually"
serve
and
worship,
and
certainly
do
not
know
the
>
God
that
they
"should".
>
>
The
Sealed
Portion,
The
Final
Testament
of
Jesus
Christ
is
the
>
truth.
It
is,
however,
a
knowledge
of
truth,
something
Lucifer
>
himself
knows
better
than
ALL
of
us.
>
>
The
gospel
of
Jesus
Christ
is
a
gospel
of
action‐‐the
goal
is
to
>
bring
equality
to
ALL
the
children
of
God
and
provide
them
with
the
>
means
necessary
so
that
they
can
each
find
their
own
individual
>
happiness.
It
is
the
plan
of
the
Father
for
all
of
His
children.
>
>
I
will
not
waste
my
time
answering
questions
in
this
forum
or
>
contending
with
those
who
have
received
no
testimony
from
the
Father.
Yes
it
is
quite
clear
that
even
after
you
stated
that
you
are
given
power
to
confound
anyone
that
you
are
afraid
of
simple
honest
questions.
Your
response
every
time
has
been
to
act
like
you
are
above
such
questioning,
avoid
them
and
condemn
anyone
who
ask
as
an
enemy
and
then
feign
humbleness
and
act
all
pious
while
claiming
it
is
not
about
you...
I
had
to
chuckle
when
reading
it.
;)
>
>
They
can
remain
"enlightened"
in
their
own
minds.
They
can
>
remain
"clairvoyant
or
psychic",
"healers
and
readers",
they
can
>
worship
God
according
to
the
dictates
of
their
own
conscience.
I
>
will
never
visit
their
websites
or
their
discussion
groups
and
>
attempt
to
question
their
beliefs,
nor
will
I
attempt
to
do
anything
>
but
love
them
and
let
them
believe
what
they
want
to
believe.
I
will
>
say,
"Good
for
you!
IF
it
works
for
you,
then
good
on
you!"
Christ
>
loves
these
kind
of
people.
His
problem
was
with
the
those
that
>
already
thought
they
knew
and
understood
the
truth.
Ah
gee
you
just
condemned
JJ
in
a
previous
paragraph
as
being
a
servant
of
Lucifer
and
don't
know
it.
Now
you
are
saying
you
would
never
do
anything
but
say
"good
for
you"...
It's
not
rocket
science
to
discern
that
you
have
no
credibility
on
stating
you
will
never
say
anything
but
good
on
you
since
it
is
contrary
to
the
many
condemnations
you
have
stated.
And
of
course
it
certainly
begs
the
question
that
since
you
never
go
to
their
websites
or
their
discussion
groups
how
is
it
you
know
they
are
servants
of
Lucifer
since
you
don't
go
to
there
websites
and
do
not
know
what
it
is
they
are
writing
or
saying?
>
>
If
one
thinks
he
or
she
has
the
"truth",
then
why
search?
Because
there
is
whole
universe
of
truth
out
there
to
discover
and
as
Joesph
Smith
said:
"We
should
gather
all
the
good
and
true
principles
in
the
world
and
treasure
them
up,
or
we
shall
not
come
out
true
"Mormons."
No
matter
how
much
truth
one
has
there
is
always
more,
that's
why
it's
is
called
eternal
progression.
>
>
Little
children
don't
have
the
truth,
that's
why
they
search
with
>
broken
hearts
and
contrite
spirits.
Yes
and
that
is
why
any
parent
will
testify
little
children
question
question
question!
Yet
here
questioning
is
portrayed
as
bad.
Well
I
shall
trouble
you
no
more.
I
shall
leave
you
with
this:
The
bottom
line
is
those
looking
for
an
outside
authority
to
lead
may
be
attracted
to
your
work
and
those
who
have
taken
the
Holy
Spirit
for
their
guide
will
always
question
and
test
all
claims.
Anyone
who
refuses
to
answer
honest
questions
and
threatens
one
with
hell
and
damnation
if
they
do
not
read
and
accept
some
book,
anyone
who
condemns
all
others
as
enemies
and
servants
of
Lucifer
without
having
examined
their
works
and
knowing
little
or
nothing
about
them
ought
to
be
a
sign
to
true
seekers
that
"sumptin
aint
right
wit
dis
picture"
;)
The
only
true
authority
is
that
divinity
within
you
even
the
Holy
Ghost.
For
if
that
spirit
that
comes
from
God
and
that
dwells
within
you
is
not
holy
then
what
is
it?
All
can
connect
to
the
soul
or
Holy
Spirit
within
and
tap
into
that
great
library
that
repository
of
all
truth
and
need
not
an
outside
authority
to
tell
them
what
to
do.
I
have
not
condemned
Chris
or
his
work
as
he
has
done
others.
Neither
will
I.
I
wish
you
all
the
best
in
your
search
for
truth
and
light.
As
the
scriptures
teach
all
things
shall
work
for
thy
good.
Blayne
Re:
This
Discussion
Group
‐‐‐
In
TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com,
"Christopher
Marc
Nemelka"
wrote:
>
>
It
is
not
the
job
of
another
to
preach
repentance
or
condemn
the
>
false
doctrines
of
men‐‐that
is
my
job
and
mine
alone.
>
Chris,
glad
to
see
you
are
able
to
reply.
I
guess
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
'if'
you
believe
your
are
the
OMS/DS,
huh?
>
I
will
not
be
involved
in
this
discussion
group
where
there
is
>
continually
bickering
being
done
by
the
enemies
of
this
work.
I
can
understand
your
desire,
but
can
you
not
afford
to
be
patient
with
a
handful
of
people
in
a
forum
like
this
who
happen
to
feel
the
same
way
you
do?
What
will
you
do
when
at
least
10
Million
people
start
clawing
at
each
other?
Bail
out?
>
The
works
of
men
aggrandize
the
author
and
perpetuators
of
these
>
works.
They
cause
division
and
contention
in
the
world
and
do
>
nothing
to
end
the
one
thing
that
causes
all
of
our
problems:
>
inequality
and
poverty.
>
I'm
glad
you
brought
this
up.
How
do
you
plan
to
end
the
inequality
and
the
poverty
specifically
&
pragmatically
to
effectuate
the
principles?
>
>
The
Sealed
Portion,
The
Final
Testament
of
Jesus
Christ
is
the
>
truth.
It
is,
however,
a
knowledge
of
truth,
something
Lucifer
>
himself
knows
better
than
ALL
of
us.
>
Chris,
you
yourself
in
the
SP
state
that
you
do
not
believe
it
is
a
crime/sin
to
profess
your
own
faith.
I
agree.
However,
you
must
admit
that
along
with
the
above
statement,
that
you
are
going
to
have
to
address
the
question
as
to
IF
this
is
just
personal
revelation
‐
for
you,
and
you
alone
‐
and
not
as
a
matter
of
Heavenly
Father's
Intent
that
it
is
neccessarily
for
anyone
else.
IOW,
the
HG
can
testify
to
the
truths
contained
in
a
semi‐fictious
novel,
while
the
work
in
and
of
itself
is
still
a
semi‐fictious
novel.
Would
you
be
so
kind
to
comment
and
elucidate?
>
>
The
gospel
of
Jesus
Christ
is
a
gospel
of
action‐‐the
goal
is
to
>
bring
equality
to
ALL
the
children
of
God
and
provide
them
with
the
>
means
necessary
so
that
they
can
each
find
their
own
individual
>
happiness.
It
is
the
plan
of
the
Father
for
all
of
His
children.
>
>
I
will
not
waste
my
time
answering
questions
in
this
forum
or
>
contending
with
those
who
have
received
no
testimony
from
the
>Father.
>
I
have
plainly
stated
that
in
my
skim‐reading
of
the
entire
SP,
I
have
found
nothing
new.
I
have
also
a
testimony
concerning
the
SP
that
is
just
as
plain.
I
suspect
you
will
have
increasing
difficulty
if
you
are
unwilling
to
answer
questions
regardless
if
anyone
has
a
testimony
or
not
since
sincere
seekers
of
Truth
desire
a
true
faith
established
upon
true
evidence.
There
is
the
Work,
and
there
is
the
Servant;
The
two
are
distinguishable
as
if
the
One
falls,
the
Work
shall
be
fulfilled
still.
>
They
can
remain
"enlightened"
in
their
own
minds.
They
can
>
remain
"clairvoyant
or
psychic",
"healers
and
readers",
they
can
>
worship
God
according
to
the
dictates
of
their
own
conscience.
One
Heart,
One
Mind.
>
I
will
never
visit
their
websites
or
their
discussion
groups
and
>
attempt
to
question
their
beliefs,
nor
will
I
attempt
to
do
anything
>
but
love
them
and
let
them
believe
what
they
want
to
believe.
Shall
Love
be
devoid
of
understanding?
Shall
Love
proclaim
itself
a
Judge
and
condemn
the
falsehoods
of
men
without
knowing
the
Heart
&
Mind
of
the
men
themselves?
>I
will
say,
"Good
for
you!
IF
it
works
for
you,
then
good
on
you!"
>Christ
loves
these
kind
of
people.
His
problem
was
with
the
those
>that
already
thought
they
knew
and
understood
the
truth.
>
That
is
the
whole
point
to
having
the
Holy
Spirit
as
a
constant
companion,
isn't
it?
>
If
one
thinks
he
or
she
has
the
"truth",
then
why
search?
>
Because
Love
and
Truth
is
infinite.
'Greater
Light
and
Knowledge'
is
meaningless
to
those
who
"thought
they
knew
and
understood
the
truth";
a
sincere
seeker
of
Love
and
Truth
KNOWS
they
are
capable
of
ever‐increasing
Love
&
Truth.
>
Little
children
don't
have
the
truth,
that's
why
they
search
with
>
broken
hearts
and
contrite
spirits.
>
And
when
they
have
found
Truth,
do
they
not
also
enter
into
Heaven
as
a
little
child?
>
I
appreciate
John
Crane
and
Alex
for
their
kindness
to
others,
>
especially
John
C.,
in
his
monitoring
efforts.
(Good
job,
>Brother!)
I
appreciate
their
efforts
and
their
intent,
but
the
principles
could
have
avoided
the
dings
along
the
way.
>
If
you
wish
to
continue
with
this
group
disscussion
and
would
like
me
>
to
post
the
continuation
of
my
commanded
expoundings
on
the
doctrine
>
of
The
Sealed
Portion,
then
I
will
notify
this
group
of
their
>
existence
and
they
can
deal
with
these
writings
appropriately.
>
>
I
am
here
to
preach
and
teach
the
gospel
of
Jesus
Christ.
Then
I
have
no
doubt
you
will
suffer
the
little
children
as
He
did.
>If
there
>
are
those
who
are
interested
in
seeing
the
beginning
of
this
work
and
>
how
it
will
come
forth,
I
invite
you
to
come
to
the
Press
Conference
>
in
San
Diego,
CA,
on
April
6.
You
can
see
me
there.
>
>
It
is
time
to
put
the
gospel
of
Jesus
Christ
in
action.
>
>
The
time
for
words
is
over.
>
>
Those
who
are
with
me,
are
with
me.
>
>
Those
who
are
against
me,
are
against
me.
>
>
And
I
fully
expect
for
the
former
to
be
significantly
(very
much
so)
>
less
than
those
of
the
latter.
>
>
Those
who
know
this
work
are
welcome
to
contact
me
personally
and
I
will
respond
in
kind.
However,
I
know
that
you
do
not
need
me
to
>
teach
you
the
truths
of
The
Sealed
Portion.
You
can
learn
nothing
>
from
me.
In
time,
it
will
be
revealed
what
needs
to
be
done
to
bring
>
equality
to
all
the
children
of
God
and
end
poverty
throughout
the
>
world.
This
is
the
plan
of
the
Father.
>
>
IF
it
succeeds,
we
all
win.
>
>
IF
it
does
not,
nothing
changes.
>
And
what
of
Malachi?
Will
not
the
Curse
be
inevidable
IF
the
OMS/DS
fails?
Yet,
here
you
are.
How
shall
nothing
change
if
the
OMS/DS
fails?
>
I
remain
your
friend,
brother,
and
servant,
>
>
Christopher
Marc
Nemelka
Peace,
Love
&
Light
Jahnihah
Jahnihah
just
unsubscribed
Learning
The
Father's
Way
My
Dear
Friends,
I
have
been
warned
by
a
"few"
that
if
I
do
not
respond
to
the
questions,
the
rhetoric,
the
condemnation,
and
the
effects
of
this
work
that
it
will
end.
Okay,
then
let
it
for
those
to
whom
I
do
not
respond.
Those
of
you
who
feel
this
way
also
have
the
right
to
leave
this
work
and
go
on
with
your
lives
"ever
learning
and
never
coming
to
the
knowledge
of
the
truth".
There
are
many
"learned"
men
who
just
can't
get
IT.
They
do
not
get
IT
because
they
depend
too
much
upon
the
arm
of
flesh
to
teach
them
and
inspire
them
and
give
them
the
"mysteries
of
godliness"
without
"works".
There
has
never
been
ONE
man
or
woman
EVER
that
has
learned
the
"truths"
of
God
without
the
Spirit
of
God.
Think
for
a
moment
of
men
like
Lehi,
Alma,
the
Original
Twelve
Apostles
of
Jesus
Christ‐‐how
did
these
men
learn?
They
listened
to
either
their
church
leaders
or
to
the
Lord
Himself,
but
never
came
to
the
knowledge
of
the
truth
until
they
were
given
that
knowledge
by
the
simple
and
pure
teachings
of
those
in
the
spirit
world
who
give
understanding
to
a
Human
Being
by
bypassing
the
communication
"filters"
that
we
all
have
received
from
the
cultures,
upbringing,
language,
and
mortal
experiences
by
which
we
have
been
conditioned
and
trained
in
receiving
knowledge
and
understanding.
Alma
was
well
trained
in
the
ministry
of
the
church
that
existed
in
the
time
of
King
Noah,
he
being
one
of
the
principle
high
priests.
He
knew
the
scriptures
contained
in
the
Brass
Plates
very
well
and
could
quote
them
and
interpret
them
with
the
best
of
his
collegues.
Nevertheless,
he
DID
NOT
understand
the
truth.
What
did
Alma
learn
from
Abinadi,
who
was
not
"trained
in
the
ministry"?
He
learned
that
he
was
a
wicked
man
who
had
trampled
on
the
commandments
of
God
most
of
his
life,
and
therefore,
was
not
worthy
of
the
knowledge
given
through
the
Holy
Ghost.
To
receive
and
know
truth
from
the
Holy
Ghost
one
must:
1)
Become
like
a
little
child
and
eliminate
the
"filters"
of
learning
and
communication
that
bind
them
to
the
arm
of
flesh.
2)
Repent
of
unrighteous
living
(un‐Christ‐like
living)
and
start
TRULY
loving
one's
neighbor
as
they
do
themselves.
3)
Pour
out
all
the
"old
wine",
wash
the
bottle
through
baptism
(the
true
baptism
of
becoming
clean
from
the
sins
and
ways
of
the
world‐‐being
born
again.)
4)
Then
receive
the
companionship
of
those
in
the
spirit
world
who
speak
all
languages
and
know
exactly
how
to
teach
all
of
us
according
to
our
individual
ability
to
understand,
because
they
understand
how
we
have
been
raised,
inculcated,
and
conditioned
by
the
society
in
which
we
live.
These
principles
that
I
have
just
listed
are
the
1st
principles
and
ordinances
of
the
gospel.
Put
in
familiar
words
by
Joseph
Smith,
"First,
faith
in
the
Lord
Jesus
Christ,
second,
repentance,
third,
baptism
by
immersion
for
the
remmission
of
sins,
forth,
the
laying
on
of
hands
to
receive
the
gift
of
the
Holy
Ghost.
Joseph
Smith,
however,
had
to
teach
these
principles
the
only
way
the
people
could
understand
them,
thus
he
did
so
in
his
own
way
according
to
the
"keys"
which
he
had
received.
Likewise,
I
have
given
these
exact
principles
above
according
to
the
"keys"
I
have
been
given.
I
hope
everyone
leaves
this
discussion
group
who
has
been
"offended"
and
does
not
have
the
same
spirit
of
those
of
you
who
seek
their
knowledge
from
the
Father
ALONE.
Each
of
you
know
the
miraculous
way
in
which
you
have
become
aware
of
this
marvelous
work
and
wonder
of
the
Father.
Each
of
you
know
that
your
knowledge
did
not
come
from
me
or
anyone
else.
In
fact,
you
know
how
skeptical
you
were
of
me
and
this
work
when
it
first
came
to
your
attention.
You
read
The
Sealed
Portion
with
a
skeptic
mind
of
the
"works
of
men"
and
the
"arm
of
flesh"
which
have
deceived
you
so
many
times
in
the
past.
But
as
you
read,
the
"filters"
of
communication
that
you
had
built
up
began
to
be
affected
by
a
feeling
deep
inside
of
you
that
you
could
not
deny.
That
"still,
small
voice"
penetrated
you
to
the
very
inner
core
of
your
being
and
changed
your
life...
...this,
my
dear
friends,
is
the
Father
speaking
to
you
through
the
Holy
Spirit.
It
is
the
way
that
He
teaches
us.
He
does
not
teach
us
through
His
Son,
through
His
prophets,
through
written
words.
His
Son
came
to
this
earth
and
didn't
teach
a
soul,
NOT
ONE!
He
taught
them
ONLY
how
to
live
properly
so
that
his
Father
could
teach
them.
THAT'S
ALL
HE
DID!
He
was
killed
for
trying
to
tell
people
that
the
only
thing
that
they
needed
to
do
to
gain
salvation
in
the
kingdom
of
God
was
to
love
their
neighbor
as
themselves‐‐nothing
else!
He
taught
that
one
need
not
go
to
church,
listen
to
men,
read
scripture
or
contemplate
the
righteousness
of
one's
own
ego.
He
taught
us
to
love
each
other.
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
noticed,
but
each
document
that
I
write
to
expound
upon
the
principles
that
are
taught
in
The
Sealed
Portion
always
lead
to
the
ONLY
teaching
of
Christ
that
matters:
Love
another
as
you
would
have
another
love
you.
I
have
personally
met
some
of
you.
I
have
read
the
words
of
ALL
of
you.
I
can
truly
say
that
the
"creme
de
la
creme"
of
the
human
race
are
the
John
Cranes,
the
Harry
and
Jodies,
and
many
of
you
who
don't
respond
to
the
contention
in
this
discussion
group
because
it
does
nothing
to
your
ability
to
love
each
other
better.
Of
all
those
who
have
responded
to
this
discussion
grouup,
John
Crane
and
Harry
and
Jodi
are
the
LEAST
of
any
who
follow
Christopher
Nemelka.
They
could
care
less
who
I
am
or
what
I
look
like
or
where
I
came
from.
They
have
followed
their
own
hearts
and
trusted
only
in
what
they
feel
they
have
received
from
that
"still
small
voice".
Those
who
are
of
the
same
heart
would
be
able
to
laugh
together,
cry
together,
and
bear
each
other's
burdens
without
worrying
whether
or
not
"THEY"
know
more
about
doctrine
than
the
other,
or
whether
or
not
their
"manner
of
dress"
fit
in
with
the
rest.
They
follow
the
general
principles
of
humanity,
which
they
have
learned
in
their
life
experiences,
bring
happiness.
For
the
rest
of
you,
please
find
you
happiness
somewhere
else...
...or...and
it
is
this
"or"
that
I
pray
for
all...
...Accept
Christ
And
Live
As
He
Lived...Repent
For
The
Actions
In
Your
Life
That
Are
Not
Christ‐like...Be
Baptized
Appropriately...And
Most
Importantly...
...RECEIVE
THE
HOLY
GHOST
as
the
Lamanites
did
and
they
"KNEW
IT
NOT!"
I
love
you
all.
I
will
not
be
able
to
respond
again
to
this
group
or
anyone
else
until
after
the
13th
of
March.
I
have
made
an
effort
to
get
to
this
computer
and
respond,
but
now
find
myself
in
a
position
where
I
will
not
be
able
to
respond
until
after
the
13th
or
so
of
March...
...but
again,
no
one
needs
me.
To
those
of
you
that
want
me
to
respond
to
your
questions,
I
am
sorry
to
inform
you
that
I
have
been
rebuked
considerably
for
going
outside
the
parameters
of
the
authority
that
I
have
been
given.
I
am
NOT
the
Holy
Ghost,
nor
am
I
the
Father.
Go
to
him
with
your
questions
as
you
contemplate
what
I
have
been
commanded
to
bring
forth
to
this
world,
not
only
through
The
Sealed
Portion,
but
through
the
written
expoundings
on
its
doctrine
that
I
have
already
posted.
Every
question
that
has
been
posed,
I
have
answered
appropriately
in
these
writings.
Again,
my
mission
is
fourfold:
1)
To
translate
and
publish
to
the
world
the
sealed
part
of
the
plates
prepared
by
Mormon
and
his
son,
Mosiah.
2)
Expound
upon
the
doctrine
of
The
Sealed
Portion.
(Not
the
doctrine
of
men
and
their
learning,
but
the
doctrine
of
The
Sealed
Portion
alone.)
3)
Confound
false
doctrine.
(Which
is
taught
in
all
orgainized
religions
of
the
world
and
from
any
person
who
has
put
him
or
herself
up
as
a
"light"
to
others.)
4)
To
establish
and
promote
the
plan
of
the
Father.
No.
1
is
complete,
except
for
some
minor
editing.
No.
2
and
No.
3
are
on
going
and
given
in
the
documents
that
I
will
continue
to
write
and
give
according
to
necessity
and
commandment.
No.
4
is
yet
to
come.
For
those
of
you
that
have
expressed
your
love
and
support
for
the
mission
that
I
have
been
given
to
do,
I
thank
you
and
I
know
you
will
benefit
greatly
from
it.
To
those
of
you
who
want
to
fight,
confound,
and
condemn
me...
...that
cross
I
have
got
to
bear.
And
bear
it
I
will,
but
I
will
not
let
it
burden
me.
Live,
Learn,
and
Love!
Your
Friend,
Brother
and
Servant,
Christopher
Is
the
Sealed
Portion
everything
that
it
is
purported
to
be?
It's
been
asked
several
times
"If
the
Sealed
Portion
is
everything
that
it
is
purported
to
be?"
I
think
that
is
a
curious
question,
and
I'm
thinking
about
the
type
of
person
who
would
ask
such
a
thing,
like
maybe
"What
is
it
that
they
really
want
to
know?"
I'm
not
sure
I
ever
understood
exactly
what
the
Sealed
Portion
was
even
"Purported"
to
be,
let
alone
being
able
to
see
if
it
measures
up
to
that
description.
I
have
heard
now
several
times
that
the
Sealed
Portion
was
not
supposed
to
come
forth
(delivered)
in
the
day
of
wickedness
and
abominations
of
the
people
(2
Nephi
27:7‐8),
which
I
took
to
mean
Joseph
Smith's
day,
but
rather
some
later
day,
(like
the
one
we
live
in
for
example),
which
ironically
is
filled
with
even
more
wickedness
and
abominations
than
the
1830's.
(Go
figure)
So
what
was
the
Sealed
Portion
purported
to
be?
As
far
as
I
can
tell
it
was
a
promise
that
all
things
would
be
revealed
unto
those
living
on
the
Earth
during
the
last
of
the
last
days
about
themselves,
and
everyone
else
who
has
ever
lived,
or
ever
will
live.
I
noticed
it
didn't
divulge
who
actually
killed
JFK
or
who
was
behind
the
911
farce,
so
I
guess
that
isn't
what
was
meant.
Also
it
was
purported
to
have
a
revelation
from
God
describing
the
beginning
of
the
world
to
the
end,
which
I
think
is
about
all
anyone
could
really
hope
for.
I
think
I've
also
heard
some
say
that
there
is
nothing
substantially
new
or
awesome
revealed
in
the
book,
that
one
couldn't
have
learned
elsewhere.
That
may
be
just
the
point.
One
has
to
remind
him/her
self
often
that
there
are
millions
(no,
BILLIONS)
of
Lucifer
minded
minions
in
the
Spirit
World
(assigned
to
your
neighborhood)
available
to
teach
truths,
or
shades
of
truths,
to
anyone
who
will
listen.
We've
been
getting
whispers
about
lots
of
really
cool
stuff
for
a
very
long
time.
(175
years)
Is
it
all
fitting
together
yet?
Nope.
Not
even
close.
Once
again
I
bring
this
up:
SP
8:53
For
behold,
Satan
and
his
minions
can
communicate
with
us
in
the
very
same
manner
like
unto
the
Holy
Ghost.
Yea,
he
can
cause
us
to
receive
all
manner
of
revelation
and
inspiration
that
maketh
us
feel
as
if
we
were
receiving
it
from
God.
And
in
this
way
he
deceives
the
children
of
men.
I
know
that
if
I
had
ever
been
invited
to
see
the
City
of
Enoch
by
anyone,
Satan
or
otherwise,
In
real
life,
or
a
dream,
or
on
the
shoulders
of
Enoch
himself,
I
would
say
"hell
yeah!"
and
consider
myself
privileged
or
lucky,
and
I'm
sure
that
afterwards
I
would
also
feel
pretty
much
forgiven
of
my
sins,
and
`worthy'
for
even
more
guided
tours….
I
would
definitely
write
down
the
experience,
and
share
it
with
whomever
would
listen…
cause
it
would
be,
(you
know),
cool.
But
what
if
it
was
not
really
the
City
of
Enoch
I
saw?
You
know,
what
if
it
was
downtown
Hell?
What
if
it
was
just
something
the
minion
asswipes
did
to
deliberately
and
permanently
mess
up
my
information
base,
and
render
all
my
future
conclusions
"wrongwise"
from
then
on?
Would
I
believe
it?
Nope.
It
would
have
been
my
vision
and
my
treat,
and
I
saw
it
and
so
that
makes
it
the
truth.
Right?
Especially
if
the
experience
came
on
the
heels
of
some
serious
soul
searching
or
prayer
filled
period
of
one's
life…
I
look
at
the
stories
that
we
have
arriving
at
this
site
about
great
and
wonderful
things
people
have
experienced
in
their
pre‐SP
lives,
and
I
see
how
it
has
affected
their
ability
to
accept
the
SP…
It's
like
`if
the
SP
fits
my
already
established
conclusion
base,
then
I'll
consider
it'
instead
of
anyone
deciding
to
actually
pour
out
any
Old
Wine
to
make
room
for
the
new
stuff,
cause
after
all,
[ahem]
there
really
isn't
anything
new
in
the
SP.
What
a
sad
thing
to
behold.
For
What
It's
Worth
Dept:
The
Sealed
Portion
exposes
all
ongoing
conspiracies
in
our
day
in
a
word.
It
also
reaffirms
and
defines
to
the
exact
day,
the
Lord's
timeline,
that
we
can
live
by.
How
awesome
is
that?
Does
it
matter
if
to
God
time
is
nothing?
No
it
does
not,
because
we
don't
automatically
think
like
an
Exalted
Being.
"WE"
have
been
brain
trained
by
the
best
in
the
cunning
biz
that
time
is
ticking,
and
our
days
are
numbered,
and
today
is
Tuesday.
Those
who
lived
in
Joseph
Smith's
day
thought
the
2nd
Coming
was
at
hand,
because
according
to
good
`ol
Joe,
God
Himself
stopped
by
to
settle
the
score
about
which
Church
was
rightwise
and
which
ones
were
wrongo,
but
Guess
what??
Yep.
They
all
died,(probably
several
times
by
now)
and
here
we
are
175
years
later
still
seeing
Earth
Changes
and
all
kinds
of
bad
signs
that
make
us
think
that
Armageddon
is
about
to
dawn
on
us
any
day
now.
MT.
St.
Helens
spewed
some
ash
today,
and
the
Internet
went
bonkers.
The
End
is
not
nigh.
I
think
having
John's
revelations
spelled
out
is
the
breaking
NEWS
YOU
CAN
USE,
and
a
much
needed
Godsend.
We
can
stop
living
like
there's
no
tomorrow,
and
we
can
prepare
our
children
for
the
collapse
of
the
United
States
of
America
long
before
it
happens.
That
isn't
insight
you'll
learn
from
a
visitor
from
another
universe.
It's
SP
speak
from
selfless
men
we
claim
to
esteem
who
not
only
lived
and
died
in
our
atmosphere,
but
right
here
on
the
North
American
continent.
Another
thing...
How
wonderful
is
it
to
know
that
what
you
discovered
on
your
own
that
was
"not
rightwise"
with
the
LDS
Church
is
also
a
major
complaint
with
Creator?
And
what
joy
can
replace
the
feeling
that
you
are
literally
REDEEMED
for
choosing
to
not
sustain
their
mind‐numbing
spoon‐fed
wickedness
another
day?
Isn't
it
a
relief
to
finally
hear
it
confirmed
from
someone
you
trust
(Mormon
and
Moroni)
that
all
major
religions
have
the
same
Loving
Being
as
their
Divine
Author,
and
that
we
ARE
actually
and
literally
ALL
kin,
and
if
we
ever
choose
to
engage
in
a
Holy
War,
it
will
only
be
US
killing
our
best
friends
from
the
Spirit
World?
OUCH!
How
maddening
is
it
to
realize
how
easy
it
has
been
to
look
down
upon
anyone,
not
just
politicians
or
trashy
neighbors,
or
those
few
who
have
betrayed
us
or
abused
us,
but
even
beggars,
or
alcoholics,
or
homosexuals,
or
fat
people…
all
while
we
pride
ourselves
in
our
many
accomplishments
and
measurable
successes?
How
long
would
it
have
taken
us
to
discover
that
modern
technology
did
not
come
from
Father,
that
family
units
are
NOT
recognized,
honored,
or
even
a
part
of
the
Celestial
Kingdom,
or
that
reincarnation
is
not
just
a
plausible
theory
taught
by
some
shaved
heads
who
have
OBE's
on
some
astral
plane,
but
it
is
actually
a
major
part
of
the
Plan
of
Salvation
of
Jesus
Christ?
No
longer
do
we
have
to
suffer
over
the
loss
of
a
loved
one
to
suicide,
or
a
pre‐mature
birth,
or
a
host
of
other
unfair
departures.
In
fact,
we
can
all
die
tomorrow,
or
anytime
in
the
next
40
years,
and
still
be
born
again,
and
live
to
be
100
before
the
2nd
Coming,
maybe
even
one
of
those
144,000
virgin
hallelujah
dudes.
EEEEE‐HAAAAAW!
Best
of
all
and
most
of
all,
we
ONCE
AGAIN
can
know
which
way
to
go.
We
know
what
priesthood
isn't,
what
ordinances
and
sacraments
aren't,
and
what
the
endowment
is.
That
a
mountaintop
meeting
with
Diety
is
possible,
that
such
a
meeting
in
any
dedicated
Temple
won't
happen.
We
even
know
that
the
paper
and
ink
that
make
up
the
Sealed
Portion
itself
will
one
day
become
a
thing
of
naught
as
will
all
the
religions
of
the
world.
Finally,
with
the
removal
of
some
really
old
stumbling
blocks,
we
can
recognize
doctrine
or
precepts
of
men
that
have
kept
us
chained,
blind,
and
stuffed
and
we
can
more
easily
choose
the
rightwise
for
each
of
us
according
to
our
deepest
desires.
Isn't
that
what
we
really
want?
Can
there
be
anything
more
wonderful
than
to
know
you
could
have
your
cake
and
eat
it
too?
And
that
happiness
is
guaranteed?
This
promise
is
just
too
delicious
to
the
soul!
You
would
think
it
would
easily
satisfy
any
hunger
for
truth
felt
by
any
and
all
seekers
and
researchers
who
are
ever
learning
and
never
coming
to
a
knowledge
of
the
truth
who
ask
those
odd
questions,
like
"Is
the
Sealed
Portion
everything
that
it
is
purported
to
be?"
Woof!
Woof!
Yet
seemingly
sincere
men
looked
right
at
it,
became
frustrated
or
turned
off,
deemed
it
a
hoax
or
a
waste
of
precious
research
time,
maybe
sent
it
to
the
recycle
bin,
un‐subscribed,
and
went
on
clicking
to
the
next
smiling
minion
standing
by
with
more
goodness
and
light
to
bless
them
with.
It
really
makes
no
sense,
but
it
happens
all
the
time.
Harry
Think!
Boys!
Boy,
it
sure
is
hard
to
restrain
myself
from
making
some
comments
on
the
stuff
floating
around
on
this
discussion
board.
I'll
try
hard,
very
hard,
to
maintain
a
professional
attitude
in
what
I
am
about
to
say.
First
of
all
I
know
that
there
are
many
more
people
than
those
of
you
that
follow
this
group
that
believe
in
TSP
and
don't
choose
to
take
part
in
these
discussions.
Why?
Because
you
guys
are
"straining
at
a
gnat
and
swallowing
a
camel".
Okay,
don't
be
offened
Boys
when
I
bruise
some
egos
here:
I
am
not
going
to
speak
for
Christopher,
he
can
speak
for
himself,
but
I
know
him
a
lot
better
than
most
of
you,
not
that
I
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
around
him,
but
because
I
have
read
(something
most
of
you
haven't
done)
most
if
not
all
of
his
expoundings
on
TSP.
If
you
Boys
take
offense
to
what
I
am
going
to
say,
then
I've
got
assume
it
proves
a
guilty
conscience.
If
you
don't
get
offended,
its
because
it
doesn't
pertain
to
any
of
you.
I
once
asked
Christopher
who
he
trusted
in
this
work
of
all
those
who
he
has
met.
He's
already
made
it
known
that
he
can't
know
a
person's
true
intent
and
heart
until
he
touches
that
person
on
contact,
without
further
adieu,
I
am
going
to
tell
you
that
he
doesn't
fully
trust
anyone
that
he
hasn't
physically
touched.
Man,
that
seems
to
leave
out
most
of
you
don't
it?
I
have
been
reading
about
personal
dreams,
visions,
visitations,
special
callings,
ordinations
and
the
like
for
a
few
weeks
now
and
this
is
what
alerted
me
to
the
condition
of
some
of
your
minds
(I'm
not
trying
to
pick
on
anyone
so
please
don't
say
I'm
offensive,
if
the
shoe
fits,
wear
the
damn
thing,
will
ya!)
Hyrum
Smith
was
Joseph's
closest
friend
and
ally.
He
trusted
Hyrum
with
his
life.
So
show
me
Boys,
what
vision,
revelation,
ordinatiion,
visitation
and
the
like
did
Hyrum
Smith
have?
None,
did
he?
Everyone
else
that
had
these
things
happen
in
their
lives
became
Joseph's
enemies
and
many
of
them,
if
you
read
the
unbiased
history
of
early
Mormonism,
helped
kill
him.
That's
why
I
am
afraid
for
my
Nemelka
friend,
I
don't
see
many
"Hyrums"
here.
I
know
his
brother
Joseph
Lee
Nemelka
loves
him.
Joe's
an
attorney
in
Salt
Lake
City,
a
very
good
member
of
the
LDS
Church
and
would
protect
his
brother
if
he
can.
Joe
keeps
his
opinions
of
the
LDS
Church
to
himself
in
respect
for
his
parents
and
his
wife
and
her
family
who
would
have
a
fit
if
they
thought
for
a
moment
his
garments
didn't
mean
squat
to
him.
For
those
of
you
who
are
LDS
spies
and
monitoring
this
discussion
group,
that's
my
own
opinion,
assholes,
don't
go
calling
Joe's
Bishop
and
telling
him
to
interview
him.
Then
again,
go
ahead,
Joe
will
have
a
fun
time
with
you.
Chris
also
has
a
few
sisters
that
love
his
guts
and
they're
far
from
LDS
Relief
Society
Sisters,
why
don't
you
try
calling
some
of
them
if
you
want
to
know
of
Chris'
sincerity.
I
read
comments
and
questions
asked
that
are
all
answered
in
Chris'
posts
and
links
and
files
that
he
has
taken
the
time
to
write
for
all
of
us.
But
have
you
read
them,
NO!
Boys,
I
challenge
you
to
meet
with
Christopher
Nemelka
in
person,
not
only
would
any
of
you
stand
up
to
him
physically
in
any
way,
but
your
true
spirits
will
come
out
around
him.
Some
think
he
as
Lucifer's
power
because
of
his
abililty
to
peer
deep
into
your
soul
through
your
eyes.
You'd
never
know
it
though,
he's
going
to
love
you
anyway.
I'm
not
going
to
mention
anyone's
name
but
Come
on
Boys!
What
the
hell
is
this
bullcrap
about
quoting
other
works
that
divide
people
and
take
them
away
from
the
truth?
This
Tioboaud
(whatever)
Prophecy
states
the
homosexuals
are
"nuerotics"
and
basically
misfits
in
our
society.
OOOHHHH
YEA,
those
are
really
the
words
of
Christ
as
given
in
TSP.
Damn
Dudes!
Don't
you
guys
read!
Satan
is
very
good
about
making
his
plan
very
similiar
to
God's
plan
so
that
he
can
deceive
you.
You
Boys
got
upset
with
Harry
the
pig
farmer
because
he
spoke
the
truth.
Anything
that
teaches
one
group
of
people
to
look
down
on
another
in
ANy
way,
don't
ya
think,
Boys!,
that
this
has
got
to
be
from
Satan?
I
don't
give
a
red
hooting
hen
if
99.9%
of
it
is
the
truth,
we
all
know
Satan
knows
the
truth,
if
that
.01%
causes
us
to
look
down
on
another,
it's
wrong!
Get
it
in
your
heads.
This
Second
Book
of
Commandments,
Oh
come
on
beam
me
the
hell
up
Scotty!
This
crazy
ass
revelation,
yes
filled
with
many
truths,
came
from
the
same
side
that's
going
to
fight
the
Father
all
the
way
to
the
end.
Get
rid
of
the
old
wine
Boys!
Good
God
All
MIghty,
how
can
he
suffer
you
guys
to
affect
this
work???????
From
what
I
read,
at
least
one
of
the
JOhns,
Alex,
and
Todd
should
leave
this
discussion
group
and
start
their
own
group
called:
Taking
It
All
In,
Getting
Continually
Confused
By
The
Work
Of
Satan
So
That
We
Aren't
Able
To
See
Our
Noses
In
Front
Of
Our
Faces
When
God
Has
Fixed
Our
Crossed‐Eyes
By
Giving
Us
Glasses
So
We
Can
Begin
To
See
Straight.
What
the
hell
was
the
Book
of
Mormon?
Is
it
true?
Is
TSP
true?
Big
John,
it
can't
have
"some
of
the
truth"
but
not
all.
If
it's
the
Father's
work
then
it's
his
work,
if
it's
not,
then
get
the
hell
out
of
here
and
find
it
for
yourself.
Don't
keep
confusing
the
innocent
and
yourself
by
fighting
the
doctrine.
From
the
questions
you
have
asked,
it
seems
you
already
think
you
know
(and
you
don't)
and
what
ever
fits
from
TSP
that
you
like,
you
keep,
the
rest
that
you
don't
like,
you
say
its
wrong.
What
the
‐‐‐‐
Dude?
Listen
Boys!
Christopher
Nemelka
doesn't
talk
about
visions,
dreams
and
that
other
spiritual
stuff
that
you
guys
THINK
(and
you
assume)
has
given
you
some
glorious
UP
on
the
rest
of
us.
He
tells
us
what
happened
and
that
he
meets
with
actual,
physical
people
that
guide
him
in
what
he
is
to
do
with
this
work.
Chris
is
more
like
the
rest
of
us
"average
Joes".
Maybe
he
just
doesn't
cast
his
pearls
to
be
seen
of
men.
Is
he
lying?
If
ya
think
so,
then
get
the
hell
out
of
here!
But
before
you
go
with
your
head
held
high
by
your
"stiff
necks"
and
your
heavy
breaths
from
your
"harden
hearts"
I
would
meet
Nemelka
before
you
go,
I
think
you
are
going
to
finally
be
convinced
that
he
is
a
man
unlike
any
you
have
met
in
your
Guru
followings
of
the
Thiobuddah
(whatever)
alien
visitation
and
your
suppossed
continued
revelation
given
to
"Dorks"
and
"Nerds"
that
are
wannabe
prophets.
Yea,
but,
look
at
him
from
a
distance
and
don't
shake
his
hand,
cause
he'll
see
right
through
your
deceptions
and
traps
and
probably
won't
have
anything
further
to
do
with
you.
Maybe
I
am
wrong,
but
from
what
I've
been
reading,
I
doubt
it.
I've
been
wrong
in
the
past,
that's
why
I
am
an
attorney.
(Smile,
smile,
wink,
wink)
For
the
rest
of
you
that
are
following
these
things
and
are
sick
of
the
doubts
of
those
that
shouldn't
be
here,
I
know
Chris
has
a
brother
working
on
a
website
that
is
only
accessible
by
invitation
only,
kind
of
a
networking
of
those
who
want
to
pray
together
the
right
way,
support
each
other
in
their
burdens,
be
Christ‐like,
and
become
part
of
the
Order
of
the
lamb
of
God
without
becoming
a
corruptible
church.
I
think
the
man
who
is
putting
this
together
is
considered
a
trusted
friend
of
Christopher's
and
I
don't
see
him
writing
or
responding
to
this
discussion
group.
I
am
not
saying
to
follow
every
word
that
proceeds
out
of
Chris's
mouth...but
what
the
hell
do
you
think
it
means
to
do
this?
Why
do
you
believe
the
Bible,
the
Book
of
Mormon
and
any
other
written
thing
that
was
obviously
written
by
a
man
and
accept
them
as
the
word
of
God
and
you
can't
accept
a
true
prophet's
word?
You
can't
accept
it
because
it
doesn't
jive
with
your
"old
wine"
which
is
making
you
drunk
with
envy
that
you're
no
better
than
the
rest
of
us,
darn
nabbit.
Okay,
so
you
want
to
know
why
I
KNOW
the
guys
for
real?
Because
I
offered
him
a
large
some
of
money
to
do
his
thing,
and
he
didn't
have
to
pay
me
back
a
penny,
and
guess
what
Boys!!!?
He
wouldn't
take
a
penny,
and
he's
never
taken
a
penny.
Says
something
doesn't
it
Boys!!!
I've
seen
his
heart.
I've
reveiwed
his
court
case
concerning
the
outstanding
warrant
against
him.
Why
don't
you
guys
do
the
same
and
you
will
see
how
hard
Satan
fights
against
him.
Why
do
ya
think,
Boys,
that
Satan
fights
so
hard
against
Chris,
if
this
wasn't
the
work
of
the
Father
and
something
that
will
destroy
his
own
plan?
Look
into
it
before
you
go
off
following
the
bullshit
you've
followed
most
of
your
lives.
Harry
you
and
your
wife
keep
up
the
good
work
of
giving
you
opinion,
you
seem
to
know
as
much
as
any
of
these
and
have
a
good,
sound
head
about
you.
Where's
your
visions
and
dreams
Harry?
What
about
your
visitations
and
your
appointments
to
glory
Harry?
Aren't
you
one
of
the
Boys!
Another
thing
about
your
brother
Chris,
is
that
he'll
shovel
pig
crap
right
along
side
of
you
if
ya
need
him.
He
wipes
a
guy's
ass
for
an
income.
If
you
who
haven't
read
TSP
would
read
the
damn
thing
(sorrow
Father,
but
You
let
me
be
me)
you
would
read
how
Satan
will
do
everything
he
can
to
keep
people
from
meeting
Christopher
and
feeling
of
his
spirit.
He
knows
Christopher
his
the
ONLY
chosen
revelator
on
the
Father's
side,
while
he
has
all
kinds
of
the
bastards
all
over
the
world
giving
peace,
love
and
light
in
abundance
with
his
1%
of
crap
that
makes
his
plan
"crap".
Think
Boys!
IN
other
words,
crap
or
get
off
the
pot
cause
there's
others
that
need
to
use
the
bathroom
and
crap
out
all
the
bullshit
they've
digested
from
the
doctrine
and
foolishness
of
men
mingled
with
the
bull
of
Lucifer,
the
angel
of
light
that
has
seasoned
their
food
with
stuff
that
tastes
good
but
is
useless
to
the
digestive
system
and
the
body.
Friend
to
some,
Josh.
Making
my
point.
Hey,
the
gist
of
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make
in
my
last
post,yea
I
got
side
track
in
disgust,
is
this:
Satan
is
going
to
give
all
kinds
of
visions,
revelations,
dreams,
visitations
whatever
he
has
to
do
to
deceive
people
into
thinking
they're
special.
Nemelka
told
me
about
Kimberly
Wallis
whose
pretty
special
to
him
and
mentioned
how
Satan
had
her
so
tightly
wound
with
truth,
that
she
couldn't
see
the
small
deception
that
was
keeping
her
bound
by
his
chains.
Someday
I'd
like
to
meet
Kimberly,
she's
gotta
be
a
mighty
fine
lady
to
get
Chris
to
talk
about
her
the
way
that
he
does.
Maybe
some
of
you
headstrong
Boys,
should
communcate
with
Kimberly
she
can
share
her
own
experineces
with
you.
Oh,yea,
she's
a
woman.
Damn,
she
can't
be
as
great
as
us
Priesthood
Brethern
can
she?
I
remember
reading
in
TSP
about
some
advice
I
think
Adam
gave
to
us
to
listen
to
our
sisters
and
our
wives
because
they're
not
so
eog‐
centered
and
are
usually
more
in
tune
to
the
Spirit.
Some
of
Sheri's
comments
confound
the
boys,
but
she's
the
only
one
of
the
ladys
that
step
up
to
the
plate
to
contend
with
you
guys.
Where
ya
at
sisters?
Harry's
Jodi
(or
should
I
say,
Harry's
better‐half,
first‐half,
only
half,
helpmeet,
she
who
is
smarter
than
he
in
many
ways)
she's
got
some
balls
on
her.
(Well,
euphemistically
speaking
anyway.)
Listen
to
these
women
guys.
I
listen
to
my
wife
but
she
doesn't
know
what
I
do
behind
her
back
because
I'd
lose
her
if
she
did
and
like
I
said
before,
I'm
not
a
kid‐dude
so
I
don't
expect
a
fatherhood
positon
in
the
celestial
kingdom
also
because
I
like
video
games
too
much.
Anyway,
come
on
boys,
dump
out
ALL
the
old
crap
that
you
have
been
given.
Plant
that
small
seed
of
faith
like
Sheri
told
one
of
you
sometime
before.
Just
plant
the
damn
thing
and
see
if
it
grows.
Read
TSP
and
that
will
be
the
"dung"
that
God
will
provide
to
fertilize
it.
Meet
Nemelka
someday
and
shake
his
hand,
that
will
water
you
a
bit,
and
see
if
they
thing
sprouts.
First
pull
out
all
the
weeds
that
have
been
growing
in
your
garden
and
make
room
for
the
truth,
Dudes.
I'm
outta
here,
my
wife's
probably
suspicious
as
to
why
I
like
to
play
computer
games
so
late.
(If
she
only
knew)
See
Ya,
Josh
Re:
[TheSealedPortion]
Think!
Boys!
Dear
Joshua,
Watch
out.
Make
sure
you
do
not
turn
into
a
bigot.
Definitely,
SP
is
the
work
of
the
Father.
Nobody
on
this
list
argues
about
that.
However,
it
is
not
the
whole
truth.
Some
issues
are
just
not
covered.
Recent
example:
suicide
issue.
SP
does
not
give
any
explicit
recepy.
We
got
to
rely
on
our
particular
situation
or
on
other
precepts
and
doctrines.
What
is
wrong
in
reading
something
other
than
SP
only?
There
is
more
than
one
source/channel
of
information
from
God.
For
example,
nowhere
in
the
SP
you
find
an
answer
about
the
cause
of
ozone
layer
holes,
and
how
they
can
be
healed,
and
what
happens
if
they
are
not
fixed.
(They
are
not
freon
related,
by
the
way.)
You
might
like
to
read
other
souces
(if
you
care).
Future
of
our
Planet
in
our
hands.
It
is
not
rigidly
predestined.
(Even
SP
says
that
all
the
prophecies
are
conditional.
In
other
words,
they
may
not
come
true,
if
mankind
suddenly
changes
the
course
of
events.)
Regards,
Alex
Me,
Wrong?
Yea,
I've
been
wrong
before,
hell
I
was
an
active
LDS
member
of
40
years.
Yea,
I
have
never
met
any
of
you
and
cannot
say
for
sure
that
you're
bad
or
good,
I
can
only
go
by
what
I
read
on
this
discussion
group
message
board.
Yea,
I
keep
myself
hiding
for
good
reason,
but
I
am
not
afraid
to
stand
up
for
the
truth,
I'm
more
like
Nicodemus
who
came
to
Jesus
at
night
to
be
taught
because
he
didn't
want
to
be
destroyed
during
the
day.
Yea,
I'm
greatly
concerned
about
Christopher
and
this
upcoming
press
conference
where
the
world
will
be
given
the
chance
to
know
him
and
hate
him
even
more
because
he'll
threaten
their
established
boxes.
Yea,
I
don't
trust
many
people
to
have
any
good
behind
their
actions.
Yea,
I
might
be
wrong
about
all
of
you.
Yea,
I
can
be
an
ass
sometimes,
but
I'd
rather
be
an
ass
errorring
for
the
good
than
a
saint
errorring
for
the
bad.
Even
though
Christopher
won't
fight
for
himself,
there
are
some
of
us
that
are
going
to
fight
for
him.
I'm
not
well
versed
in
alot
of
scriptures
like
he
is,
but
I
can
recognize
truth
when
I
hear
it
especially
when
I
hear
it
from
a
sincere
person's
own
mouth.
Do
I
think
he's
perfect?
Hell
NO!
The
guy
found
himself
involved
with
some
people
in
his
past
which
I
wouldn't
have
touched
with
a
ten
foot
pole.
All
he's
ever
done
is
love
people,
yea
a
lot
of
women
in
an
attempt
to
find
one
that
could
hang
with
him
and
support
him.
When
he
found
out
that
these
women
couldn't
hang
with
him,
he
let
them
go
(let
it
be
known,
none
of
them
let
"him"
go,
he
let
them
go
and
they
turned
on
him
with
a
woman's
wrath
that
few
men
have
had
to
deal
with.
Was
it
his
fault?
Hell
yes
it
was.
He
should
have
left
them
alone
and
realized
he's
in
this
alone
to
the
end.
With
all
of
his
past
there
are
many
after
him
that
you
all
know
nothing
about.
They
hate
him
and
think
is
a
predator
and
a
deceiver,
but
when
you
confront
one
of
his
accussers
with
the
alegations
they
don't
know
what
to
say,
especially
in
his
presence,
which
is
not
only
a
legal
right
but
a
spiritual
right
to
have
one's
accuser
present
when
the
accusation
is
made.
To
put
is
simply:
the
guy's
got
alot
of
enemies
that
were
once
freinds
and
loved
ones
that
loved
him
with
all
of
their
hearts.
I
just
don't
want
to
see
him
accept
other
so‐called
"friends"
to
get
hurt
time
and
time
again.
Is
it
my
job?
Hell
NO!
Why
do
I
care?
I
frigin
don't
know
sometimes
except
when
you
get
to
know
him
on
a
personal
level
you
can't
help
it.
Will
I
step
up
in
public
and
defend
him?
Honestly,
I
would
probably
be
one
of
the
apostles
that
scattered
and
denied
him
in
public
so
that
they
wouldn't
get
killed.
Luckily
I
can
hide
behind
this
technology,
at
least
for
now,
and
give
my
two
cents
hoping
that
Chris
will
read
my
words
and
take
my
advice.
Yea,
maybe
I
am
wrong
about
you
guys,
but
maybe
I'm
not.
I
wouldn't
hurt
any
of
you
and
hope
you
wouldn't
hurt
me
or
anyone
else.
Im'
gone
again
cause
Chris
should
be
back
in
a
couple
of
days
and
take
care
of
himself.
Good
luck
to
all
of
ye's.
Josh
Your
posts
Dear
Friends,
It
is
good
to
be
back
among
you.
I
have
reveiwed
the
posts
left
in
my
absence
and
it
is
reasonable
to
assume
that
I
am
not
needed
here.
:‐)
The
monitors
did
a
great
job,
and
some
good
things
seem
to
have
come
forth.
I
am
sorry
that
there
are
those
that
don't
find
this
work
worthy
of
their
time,
but
then
again,
salvation
can
only
come
to
those
who
seek
it.
:‐)
Lucky
for
us
all,
we
will
all
receive
this
salvation
one
day,
finally
coming
to
an
understanding
of
the
truth,
which
is
really
quite
easy
to
understand
if
one
is
hanging
with
the
proper
group
of
people
that
can
discern
truth
and
expound
upon
it.
(These
are
the
groups
of
spirit
beings
waiting
to
find
those
who
are
worthy
of
their
participation
in
our
lives.)
I
see
that
some
nemesises
of
this
work
have
gone,
others
are
still
here
waiting
for
their
chance
to
prove
me
wrong
in
some
aspect
of
this
work.
I
hope
with
the
time
I
was
away
that
they
took
the
time
to
read
The
Sealed
Portion
and
ponder
its
incredible
meaning.
I
read
that
The
Sealed
Portion
offers
"nothing
new".
What???
There
are
countless
truths
revealed
in
The
Sealed
Portion
that
have
never
been
revealed
to
this
world
before.
Starting
with
Eve
being
impregnated
by
a
Homo
Sapien
being
that
was
formed
and
evolved
to
its
nature
by
Lucifer,
to
the
awe
inspiring
unfolding
of
John's
revelations...
...Further...show
me
anywhere
in
Christian
history
where
the
atonement
is
presented
and
explained
like
it
is
in
The
Sealed
Portion?
The
blood
of
Christ
meaning
nothing,
the
works
of
Christ
meaning
all.
Forget
the
challenge,
just
read
the
book
and
show
me
any
where
in
the
past
where
these
doctrines
could
have
come
from,
which
doctrines
and
truths
are
now
revealed
in
The
Sealed
Portion?
Won't
happen.
I
welcome
all
the
critics,
all
the
skeptics,
anyone
from
anywhere
to
join
me
at
the
Press
Conference
on
April
6
in
San
Diego,
California.
At
that
time
I
would
welcome
your
questions.
But
to
the
enemies
of
this
work,
be
careful
what
you
ask,
for
the
answer
might
not
behoove
your
expectations.
To
my
friends,
those
who
have
read
The
Sealed
Portion,
feel
free
to
continue
with
your
questions
and
I
will
answer
them
appropriately.
I
have
been
instructed
to
ignore
the
questions
of
those
who
for
no
other
reason
than
to
argue
and
attempt
to
discredit
this
work,
they
do
so
without
reading
it.
Josh
Farnsworth
is
going
to
get
a
loving
"tounge‐wapping"
for
being
so
hard
on
you
all,
but
he
is
truly
a
wonderful
person,
who
is,
believe
it
or
not,
more
humble
than
most.
Most
of
your
questions
that
I
have
read
in
your
posts
are
easy
to
answer,
and
if
they
are
still
weighing
heavy
on
your
mind,
please
feel
free
to
ask
them
again,
as
now
I
can
respond.
It
seems
that
the
interest
has
tappered
off
somewhat,
which
is
good
for
all
to
take
a
break
for
a
bit
and
refresh
their
hearts
and
minds
with
the
reality
of
life
and
all
of
its
joys.
There
is
so
much
to
share
with
each
other,
so
in
love
we
should
begin
anew
and
cherish
the
new
friendships
that
we
are
creating.
In
time,
there
will
be
a
network
set
up
wherein
we
will
all
be
able
to
find
others
like
us
who
we
need
as
much
as
we
are
needed.
Until
then
and
after
then,
loving
each
other
is
all
we
need
to
do.
Remember
that
Lucifer
is
struggling
hard
against
this
work
and
is
doing
everything
in
his
power
to
keep
it
from
coming
forth
and
convincing
those
who
follow
him
of
their
errors.
And
our
Father,
as
always,
has
His
Spirit
standing
by
to
help
us
in
our
time
of
need,
IF
we
live
worthy
of
its
companionship.
Remember
the
words
of
Christ,
in
them
we
find
all
that
we
need
to
know.
I
am
here
again
for
you
my
friends,
and
I
am
glad
that
you
are
here
for
me
too.
:‐)
Your
brother,
friend,
and
Servant,
Christopher
Autobiography
side
track…
Here
I
am!
Send
me!!
(
I
thought
it
now
appropriate
to
post
in
this
discussion
group
one
chapter
of
my
autobiography
that
was
written
by
me
and
Timothy.
In
no
way
is
this
to
aggrandize
myself
above
any
other,
but
hopefully,
this
will
help
some
of
you,
who
don't
know
much
about
me,
understand
exactly
what
this
work
is
all
about.
It
will
be
apparent
what
parts
are
a
contribution
from
Timothy.
These
will
be
the
very
first
words
[though
edited
and
transposed
at
times
to
fit
my
personal
vernacular,
so
as
to
relate
specifically
to
the
prupose
of
an
"autobiography"]
given
of
one
of
The
Three
Nephite
prophets.
They
have
written
other
things,
but
never
revealing
to
the
world
from
whom
the
writings
came.)
Chapter
Thirteen
My
Name
Shall
Be
Had
For
Good
And
Evil
“He
called
me
by
name,
and
said
unto
me
that
he
was
a
messenger
sent
from
the
presence
of
God
to
me,
and
that
his
name
was
Moroni:
that
God
had
a
work
for
me
to
do;
and
that
my
name
should
be
had
for
good
and
evil
among
all
nations,
kindreds,
and
tongues,
or
that
it
should
be
both
good
and
evil
spoken
of
among
all
people.
(Joseph
Smith—History
1:33)
Nothing
would
please
me
more
than
to
have
the
chance
to
debate
a
seasoned
politician
in
front
of
all
of
our
constituents
to
determine
which
of
us
would
make
the
best
possible
representative
of
the
people
that
vote
for
us.
Surely
my
opponent
would
bring
up
the
obvious:
“Mr.
Nemelka,
I
have
been
a
politician
for
many,
many
years
and
with
this
experience
have
developed
a
keen
sense
of
how
the
political
system
works.
This
experience
allows
me
to
have
the
know‐
how
and
the
power
to
be
in
a
position
where
I
can
get
things
done
for
those
who
vote
for
me.
And
you,
Sir,
have
no
political
experience.”
To
which
I
would
respond:
“What
exactly,
Mr.
Senator,
are
the
kinds
of
“things”
that
you
“get
done”
for
the
people?
Undaunted
by
my
attempt
to
show
the
people
that
he
doesn’t
really
do
much,
the
savvy
and
experienced
politician
would
probably
begin
to
list
the
many
programs
and
policies
that
he
voted
for
with
an
articulated
brief
explanation
of
how
each
program
has
benefited
the
people.
“I
agree,
Senator,”
I
would
respond,
“that
those
things
probably
did
benefit
many
of
those
who
voted
for
you,
but
what
about
those
who
voted
for
you
that
your
“things”
didn’t
benefit?
More
importantly,
what
about
the
other
majority
of
people
who
do
not
vote
because
they
are
disillusioned
with
the
idea
that
politicians
like
you
can
really
do
any
good
for
them
because
their
needs
are
not
understood?”
Unable
to
answer
my
questions
with
any
degree
of
competency,
the
experienced
Senator
would
once
again
bring
the
debate
back
to
my
inexperience
at
being
a
politician,
and
to
which
of
us
would
be
a
better
candidate
to
represent
the
people
who
do
vote—seeing
as
these
are
the
only
ones
we
should
be
concerned
with,
because
these
are
the
only
ones
that
can
put
us
in
office.
My
response
would
be
honest,
sincere,
and
stern:
“Mr.
Senator,
are
you
from
a
broken
family,
where
your
father
and
mother
ended
their
relationship
in
spite
of
its
residual
effects
on
you
as
a
small
child?
As
you
grew
up,
were
you
forced
to
move
from
one
place
to
another,
inhibiting
your
ability
to
truly
form
meaningful
relationships
that
were
stable
and
secure?
Were
you
ever
forced
to
stand
in
the
checkout
line
at
a
grocery
store
with
food
stamps
in
hand,
knowing
that
everybody
else
looked
down
on
you
with
disdain
and
judgment?
Have
you
ever
been
in
want
of
medical
care
and
not
able
to
afford
it?
What
about
things
as
simple
as
a
few
caries
that
were
wasting
away
your
young
teeth
because
your
parents
could
not
afford
to
take
you
to
the
dentist?
And,
Sir,
have
your
family
and
society
ever
ostracized
you
for
nothing
more
than
trying
to
live
your
life
different
from
everyone
else
in
an
effort
to
find
out
who
you
really
are?
Have
you
ever
been
accused
of
something
that
you
didn’t
do
and
had
your
children
taken
away
from
you
by
a
court
system
that
didn’t
take
the
time
to
hear
your
side
of
a
story
that
was
embellished
and
concocted
by
a
paid
attorney
that
you
couldn’t
afford?
Have
you
ever
been
incarcerated
for
10
months
by
a
corrupt
judge
who
would
only
listen
to
the
half‐truths
and
lies
of
others,
who
like
her,
wanted
nothing
more
than
to
see
you
suffer
because
of
your
religious
beliefs
or
the
lack
thereof?
Have
you
ever
had
to
deal
with
the
justice
system
by
yourself
without
the
money
to
buy
the
assistance
of
an
attorney?
You
are
definitely
correct
in
your
assumption
that
I
have
absolutely
no
political
experience.
My
experience
comes
from
the
reality
of
life—experience
of
which
you
have
very
little.
Your
vast
experience
in
the
political
world
of
greed,
self‐indulgence,
power,
and
prestige
greatly
out
shines
my
experiences
in
a
food
stamp
line
or
a
jail
cell.
So
who
do
you
think
can
better
represent
this
people
and
their
needs?
Who
do
you
think
has
the
knowledge
and
the
experience
to
know
these
needs
and
understand
them
sufficiently
to
enable
him
to
introduce
policy
that
will
address
these
needs
properly?
Certainly
not
someone
who
has
never
experienced
them
firsthand.”
I
am
not
quite
sure
how
the
debate
would
continue,
but
the
point
is
made:
A
truly
righteous
leader
who
can
best
represent
those
who
follow
him
or
her
and
can
be
trusted
to
lead
in
the
right
way,
must
have
submitted
him
or
her
self
to
all
of
the
experiences
of
the
followers
and
have
risen
above
them
all.
Long
before
this
planet
was
ready
for
human
habitation,
beings
of
energy
and
element
were
created
and
prepared
to
experience
the
wonderful
blessings
of
life.
Life
means
that
a
being
is
alive
and
is
aware
that
it
is
alive.
With
the
knowledge
of
existence
comes
the
reality
that
experiences
will
occur.
Many
of
these
experiences
will
bring
joy
and
peace
and
many
of
them
will
bring
pain
and
misery.
For
the
being
to
truly
understand
the
difference
between
the
two
(joy/peace
and
pain/misery)
it
has
to
experience
both.
It
cannot
be
expected
to
truly
understand
joy
without
the
experience
of
misery.
A
being
can
be
taught
what
joy
is
and
have
joy
explained
to
it
by
other
beings
who
have
already
experienced
joy,
but
to
truly
understand
joy
properly
it
must
be
experienced
firsthand.
These
beings
(the
spirits)
were
created
by
other
beings
(the
Gods)
that
were
much
more
intelligent
than
their
creations
and
had
already
experienced
the
intense
joy
that
life
brings
to
a
being.
Understanding
this
joy,
these
great
beings
wanted
to
share
it
with
others,
in
fact,
these
beings
only
existed
so
that
they
might
bring
this
joy
to
others—their
joy
was
giving
the
opportunity
to
experience
joy
to
other
beings.
These
beings
(the
Gods)
knew
very
well
that
misery
and
pain
were
part
of
the
experience
of
knowing
joy.
However,
there
are
other
beings
that
didn’t
agree
that
it
was
necessary
to
experience
misery
in
order
to
know
joy.
These
beings
are
like
the
politicians
who
have
never
experienced
any
of
life’s
realities,
yet
feel
that
they
are
understanding
and
competent
leaders.
These
rebellious,
yet
thoughtful
beings,
believe
that
we
can
experience
joy
just
by
listening
to
our
creators
and
being
forced
to
do
the
things
that
are
suppose
to
bring
us
this
joy,
thus
eliminating
misery.
(Very
much
like
the
politicians
who
expects
us
to
follow
their
laws
and
policies
and
put
us
in
jail
if
we
do
not.)
The
laws
of
heaven
are
unalterable
and
have
been
this
way
forever.
One
of
these
laws
is
that
in
order
for
something
to
exist,
whether
it
be
a
force,
feeling,
or
matter,
something
must
exist
that
is
diametrically
opposed
to
it.
Only
in
this
way
can
the
thing
be
discernable
and
experienced.
This
law
cannot
be
altered.
For
example,
if
there
were
no
cold,
how
would
one
describe
or
know
hot?
Also,
in
a
more
complicated,
but
a
comparably
simple
way,
if
there
were
nothing
but
rocks
and
a
barren
landscape,
how
would
one
know
that
there
were
rocks
and
barren
landscape
if
he
or
she
didn’t
have
something
soft
and
verdantly
lush
to
compare
it
to?
The
beings
that
fought
against
the
idea
of
creating
a
world
where
we
would
experience
pain,
sorrow
and
the
rest
of
the
opposites
to
our
happiness
were
trying
to
get
around
an
eternal
law
that
has
always
been.
They
questioned
why
the
law
couldn’t
be
changed
to
bring
more
happiness
to
a
being
without
so
much
suffering
and
misery.
However,
these
beings
did
not
possess
the
same
powers
that
the
Gods
possessed,
and
for
very
good
reason.
Had
they
possessed
these
powers
of
creation,
they
would
most
assuredly
have
tried
to
create
a
world
where
there
existed
nothing
but
pleasure,
happiness,
and
peace,
thus
negating
the
fixed
eternal
law
to
bring
about
these
things.
Surely,
these
things
absolutely
cannot
exist
without
a
being
knowing
how
to
discern
them,
in
other
words,
knowing
and
experiencing
their
opposites.
There
are
also
eternal
laws
that
regulate
who
gets
the
power
to
create
and
exercise
control
over
the
elements,
so
that
universes,
solar
systems,
and
planets
can
be
created.
These
laws
exclusively
restrict
this
kind
of
knowledge
and
power
only
to
those
beings
that
will
not
use
the
power
and
knowledge
to
disobey
the
fixed
eternal
laws
that
have
existed
forever.
In
this
way
balance
is
created
and
maintained
so
that
life
and
happiness
can
be
eternally
perpetual.
With
the
above
said
and
explained
to
the
best
of
my
limited
ability
as
a
human
communicator
in
the
English
language,
I
will
continue
my
explanation
of
how
I
was
chosen
and
foreordained
as
a
prophet
and
revelator
of
God.
To
do
this
I
must
use
terms
that
I
would
rather
not
use
because
of
the
way
that
most
people
interpret
them,
which
interpretations
are
usually
incorrect
and
generally
misleading
away
from
the
truth.
Nevertheless,
for
purposes
of
our
limited
and
finite
understanding
I
will
use
the
words
that
we
are
used
to
hearing
as
I
describe
the
beings
I
have
talked
about
above.
Only
God
(which
includes
many
more
than
just
one)
have
the
power
to
create
spirit
beings
and
begin
the
cycle
of
life.
God
has
fulfilled
the
requirements
necessary
in
order
to
be
trusted
with
this
tremendous
power
and
knowledge.
The
Gods
are
highly
evolved
beings
who
have
been
where
we
are
now
and
have
progressed
way
beyond
our
ability
to
comprehend
them.
They
exist
for
one
purpose
and
one
purpose
only:
to
serve
us
and
assure
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
experience
the
greatest
amount
of
happiness
that
we
chose
for
ourselves.
Their
joy
comes
in
complete,
100%
service
every
minute
of
every
day
of
every
week
or
every
year
of
their
existence.
(However,
time
is
not
a
law
to
which
they,
or
we
for
that
matter,
are
subjected.
What
is
the
opposite
of
time?
Since
there
is
none,
then
it
doesn’t
actually
exist.
It
is
not
an
eternal
law
by
which
any
creation
is
bound.
It
is
only
a
human
idea
that
we
came
up
with
for
our
own
selfish
interests,
and
subsequently
we
are
the
only
creatures
on
earth
that
take
note
of
it.)
If
God
was
anything
but
a
selfless
servant
to
the
gift
of
life,
he
or
she
would
cease
to
be
God
and
would
have
the
possibility
to
cause
tremendous
rifts
in
the
eternal
natural
order.
We
are
spiritual
beings
and
were
created
spiritually
before
we
received
mortal
bodies.
Spirits
have
no
gender
and
do
not
have
the
same
bodies
or
powers
as
the
Gods
who
created
them.
However,
we
do
have
something
that
was
granted
to
us
that
no
other
being
has—the
power
of
free
agency.
As
explained
in
the
preface
of
this
book,
animals
are
servants
of
their
instincts
and
only
act
within
the
bounds
of
these
instincts.
We,
on
the
other
hand,
have
the
power
to
do
whatever,
whenever,
and
for
whatever
reason
we
want—this
is
free
agency.
There
are
many
humans
who
do
not
believe
in
a
spiritual
existence
and
have
convinced
themselves
that
our
mortal
birth
is
the
beginning
of
our
existence
and
that
this
existence
ends
with
mortal
death.
If
this
were
truly
the
case,
then
why
are
we
not
like
the
rest
of
the
animals?
One
might
think
that
our
ancestors
were
once
savage
humanoids
that
acted
solely
on
instincts
like
every
other
animal,
and
that
over
many
thousands,
and
millions
of
years,
we
evolved
to
the
human
state
in
which
we
currently
find
ourselves.
Well,
I
hate
to
inform
the
severely
educated
and
masters
of
human
science
and
philosophy,
but
there
are
animals
among
us
that
have
existed
for
many,
many
more
years
than
we
have,
yet
they
haven’t
seem
to
have
evolved
much
at
all.
At
this
point
I
do
not
intend
to
argue
the
facts
regarding
the
existence
of
a
spiritual
entity
or
not.
This
is
not
the
place
for
it.
The
Sealed
Portion
will
explain,
not
only
the
truth
regarding
life
on
this
planet,
the
necessity
and
reality
of
evolution
and
how
it
was
used
by
God
to
create
and
prepare
this
planet
for
us,
but
most
importantly,
why
we
are
here.
Suffice
it
to
say,
we
were
all
once
spiritual
beings
who
were
very
well
aware
that
we
had
been
created
and
that
we
evolved
spiritually
to
a
point
where
we
became
noble
and
great
in
the
site
of
God,
thus
allowing
us
to
eventually
become
human
beings.
In
this
spiritual
state
God
taught
us
the
entire
plan
that
we
would
be
required
to
follow
in
order
to
know
and
experience
eternal
happiness
as
the
Gods
do.
We
knew
that
we
had
to
become
mortal
and
learn
from
the
experience.
We
had
to
experience
the
opposite
of
all
things
that
are
good
in
order
to
be
able
to
truly
comprehend
what
good
really
meant.
After
this
plan
was
presented
to
us,
the
Gods
did
not
allow
for
any
debate
whether
or
not
the
plan
was
acceptable—it
just
was
the
way
it
had
to
be.
A
big
part
of
the
plan
was
the
fact
that
very,
very,
very
few
of
us
would
ever
evolve
to
the
point
where
we
could
be
trusted
with
the
knowledge
and
power
of
a
God.
Most
of
us
wanted
to
find
happiness
for
ourselves
without
the
responsibility
of
providing
this
happiness
to
others—selflessly
in
the
service
of
others
forever.
It
was
explained
to
us
that
we
would
eventually
all
receive
bodies
of
matter
that
would
allow
us
to
experience
many
of
the
joys
and
happiness
that
the
Gods
enjoy—however
not
all
the
joys.
It
was
explained
to
us
that
the
sun
in
the
solar
system
that
we
are
presently
familiar
with
and
the
planets
that
orbit
around
it
were
created
as
the
final
worlds
(or
kingdoms,
or
mansions,
whatever
one
would
long
to
call
them)
on
which
we
would
enjoy
our
eternal
happiness
according
to
our
desires
of
happiness.
There
would
be
three
kingdoms
that
would
house
our
eternal
souls.
In
each
of
these
kingdoms
there
would
be
three
degrees
of
happiness
(or
glory)
in
which
would
be
placed
the
souls
that
longed
for
that
type
of
happiness.
(Thus
the
obvious
fact
that
there
are
nine
planets
orbiting
the
sun
in
our
solar
system.)
As
spirits
we
realized
we
were
distinct
and
different
from
each
other.
We
all
knew
which
type
of
happiness
we
wanted.
We
knew
which
kingdom
of
God
suited
our
fancies
the
best.
It
wasn’t
a
secret.
We
had
our
free
agency
to
choose,
and
we
did.
In
the
English
language
the
easiest
way
to
describe
these
kingdoms
are
with
a
word.
The
earliest
scriptures
that
were
written
by
other
prophets
and
revelators
called
these
kingdoms,
the
Celestial,
the
Terrestrial,
and
the
Telestial
kingdoms.
The
kingdoms
were
compared
to
the
sun
(the
Celestial),
the
moon
(the
Terrestrial),
and
the
stars
(the
Telestial).
This
comparison
was
made
and
can
be
best
described
as
the
differing
glories
of
these
kingdoms,
the
Celestial
being
the
highest
and
the
Telestial
being
the
lowest
in
degrees
of
glory.
Nevertheless,
the
Telestial
kingdom
was
going
to
be
an
exceedingly
beautiful
and
wonderful
place
to
reside
forever—a
place
that
we
can
hardly
comprehend
in
our
present
state.
As
spirits
we
knew
which
of
us
were
Celestial,
which
of
us
were
Terrestrial,
and
which
of
us
were
Telestial.
It
was
no
secret.
We
had
proven
who
we
were
and
what
kind
of
eternal
happiness
we
wanted
to
experience
after
many,
many,
many
years
(there’s
that
time
element
that
makes
no
sense)
of
existence
as
spiritual
entities.
A
Celestial
being,
who
thought
for
sure
he
was
as
righteous
as
any
other
in
the
spirit
world,
came
forth
before
God
and
had
a
different
idea
about
how
things
should
be.
For
the
intents
and
purposes
of
our
limited
understanding
we
have
named
him
Lucifer,
the
son
of
the
morning.
The
title
articulates
the
actuality
that
Lucifer
truly
was
a
Celestial
being
who
belonged
to
the
glory
of
the
sun
(thus
the
mention
of
morning
when
the
sun
comes
up.)
Wanting
to
desperately
do
what
brought
him
the
most
happiness,
i.e.,
serving
the
rest
of
us,
Lucifer
concocted
a
plan
that
would
allow
all
of
us
to
become
Celestial
beings
and
have
all
the
knowledge
and
power
of
the
Gods.
He
wanted
to
do
away
with
the
pain
and
suffering
of
mortality
and
give
us
our
eternal
bodies
straightaway
and
put
us
in
Celestial
realms
of
glory.
He
actually
thought
that
he
was
presenting
a
good
plan
that
would
bring
greater
happiness
to
all.
He
forgot
one
thing:
the
eternal
laws
by
which
even
God
is
bound.
Most
know
the
watered
down
story
of
how
Lucifer
convinced
many
other
spirits
that
his
plan
was
good,
and
with
his
new
army
of
followers
he
began
a
war
in
heaven
(the
spirit
world).
It
was
a
war
of
words,
discussion
and
debate.
But
what
was
there
to
debate?
The
Gods
were
in
the
position
that
they
were
because
they
had
already
decided
to
obey
the
eternal
laws
and
make
sure
that
all
creatures
do
the
same—that
was
their
calling
as
explained
above.
Well,
Lucifer
was
obviously
a
good
debater
because
he
was
able
to
convince
one‐third
of
all
the
spirits
to
follow
his
plan
and
rebel
against
the
laws
of
heaven.
Now,
it
couldn’t
have
been
that
hard
for
him
to
convince
many
of
those
spirits
who
were
Terrestrial
and
Telestial
(the
vast
majority
of
the
spirits)
because
they
knew
that
they
would
never
be
like
God
and
have
the
power
and
glory
that
the
Gods
have.
They
knew
that
they
belonged
to
the
lowest
kingdom
of
glory
and
believed
that
Lucifer
was
fair
and
thoughtful
in
his
plan
to
assure
that
all
of
us
could
be
Gods
and
have
Celestial
power
and
happiness.
So
they
followed
Lucifer
and
rejected
the
eternal
plan
that
the
Gods
had
taught
us.
The
Sealed
Portion
explains
much
more
about
this
“war”
in
the
spirit
world
and
explain
more
about
the
different
degrees
of
glory
in
the
kingdom
of
God.
There
were
many
of
us
who
stood
up
and
logically
concluded
that
the
plan
that
was
presented
was
the
only
way
(there
could
be
no
other)
that
we
could
truly
find
the
happiness
that
all
of
us
desired.
We
knew
that
we
had
no
idea
what
kind
of
happiness
a
God
experiences
because
we
hadn’t
known
the
opposite
of
this
happiness.
We
agreed
that
the
plan
was
fair,
just
and
according
to
the
eternal
laws
of
life
(nature).
The
Gods
who
organized
and
created
our
solar
system
did
so
for
us,
not
for
them.
They
have
Their
own
Celestial
kingdoms
in
other
parts
of
the
Universe
were
They
live
and
reside
in
the
eternal
peace
and
happiness
that
They
desire.
In
our
newly
created
solar
system,
i.e.,
the
kingdom
of
God
that
pertains
to
us,
the
Gods
set
up
a
government
and
called
leaders
to
lead
us.
These
leaders
were
chosen
from
among
the
Celestial
sprits
and
given
the
powers
and
privileges
that
they
needed
in
order
to
assure
that
the
plan
was
carried
out
properly.
We
didn’t
have
to
obey
these
leaders
and
could
have
at
anytime
refused
to
follow
the
plan
and
join
Lucifer’s
ranks
instead.
After
God
(the
Gods)
left
this
solar
system
and
went
either
back
to
His
own
planet,
or
to
another
part
of
the
Universe
to
start
the
process
of
life
again,
many
of
us
questioned
the
authority
of
our
chosen
leaders.
There
were
minor
rebellions
here
and
there
that
broke
out
among
us,
usually
instigated
by
Lucifer
or
one
of
the
spirits
that
sided
with
him.
There
were
those
of
us
who
could
not
believe
that
there
was
any
question
of
whether
or
not
the
plan
should
be
followed.
We
were
completely
perplexed
as
to
why
the
rest
of
the
spirits
could
not
see
the
logic
and
complete
beauty
of
it
all.
These
spirits
supported
the
called
leadership
and
had
no
illusions
at
all
that
there
was
anything
but
full
and
complete
obedience
to
the
set
plan.
We
knew
that
mortality
would
be
a
wonderful
learning
experience
for
us
and
that
we
would
find
the
happiness
that
we
all
desired.
It
didn’t
matter
to
many
of
us
to
which
degree
of
glory
we
pertained,
it
only
mattered
that
we
followed
the
plan
and
eventually
received
our
eternal
place
in
the
kingdom
that
God
had
prepared
for
us.
We
could
see
that
we
were
all
different
and
that
it
wouldn’t
be
a
happy
state
if
Celestial
beings
lived
with
Terrestrial
beings,
or
with
Telestial
beings,
and
vice
versa.
Nevertheless,
we
all
had
to
enter
mortality
and
exist
with
each
other
so
that
we
could
prove
to
ourselves
and
to
everyone
else,
that
we
are
truly
who
we
are
(either
Celestial,
Terrestrial,
or
Telestial.)
(Again,
The
Sealed
Portion
explains
this
better
with
much
more
depth
and
understanding
than
how
I
can
here.)
When
I
was
born
to
my
mortal
parents
I
had
no
idea
what
kind
of
being
I
was—a
was
a
child
and
that’s
all
I
knew.
Even
to
this
day
I
am
not
wont
to
proclaim
the
degree
of
glory
that
I
desire.
But
what
I
do
know,
is
that
whatever
degree
of
glory
the
majority
of
my
fellow
human
beings
belong
to,
I
do
not
fit
in
very
well
at
all.
My
life
experiences
verify
that
I
find
it
quite
difficult
at
times
relating
to
and
dealing
with
the
majority
of
my
earthly
brothers
and
sisters.
I
have
very
few
of
the
desires
that
a
typical
male
is
expected
to
have,
and
have
little
interest
in
accomplishing
the
same
things
that
most
humans
want
to
accomplish.
In
many
places
there
exist
those
that
would
rather
see
me
dead
than
alive.
They
would
rather
see
me
imprisoned
where
my
aberrant
and
unorthodox
lifestyle
will
not
come
in
conflict
with
theirs
and
possibly
influence
one
of
their
intimates
away
from
their
“normalcy”
into
my
“rejected”
philosophy
and
lifestyle.
I
find
it
very
hard
to
relate
to
the
ignorance
and
inability
of
my
fellow
human
beings
to
follow
“the
plan”,
just
like
I
did
when
I
was
a
spirit.
Jehovah,
Jesus
Christ,
Allah,
Lord
Vishnu,
(whatever
you
want
to
call
him—I’ll
call
him
Lord),
was
a
spirit
also.
This
Great
Spirit
was
called
by
God
to
oversee
the
realization
of
the
plan
of
salvation
in
this
solar
system.
He
couldn’t
do
it
alone
and
organized
a
group
of
individuals
to
help
him
fulfill
the
commandments
of
God.
These
spirits
would
enter
mortality
either
as
a
woman
or
a
man
and
be
given
the
experience
that
each
of
them
needed
to
prepare
them
to
help
the
Lord.
Because
they
are
who
they
are,
they
will
not
fit
in
with
the
rest
of
society
and
will
be
persecuted
and
ridiculed
for
what
they
know
and
believe.
They
know
the
path
that
they
must
follow
in
order
to
partake
of
the
fruit
that
will
give
them
the
happiness
that
they
desire.
There
is
a
rod
that
extends
along
the
length
of
this
path,
and
this
path
is
strait
and
narrow
and
leads
to
a
tree
where
this
fruit
of
happiness
grows
abundantly.
These
know
that
they
must
grab
hold
of
the
rod
and
follow
it
along
the
path,
never
letting
go
until
they
reach
the
tree
and
partake
of
its
fruit.
There
are
few
that
understand
the
significance
of
this
rod
and
the
path
that
it
runs
along.
If
one
is
successful
in
this
life
and
is
accepted
and
honored
by
the
majority
of
humans
that
inhabit
this
earth,
then
he
or
she
can
rest
assured
that
he
or
she
is
a
Terrestrial
or
Telestial
being,
because
among
these
beings,
he
or
she
has
found
his
or
her
happiness.
And
there
is
nothing
wrong
with
this
type
of
happiness.
However,
there
are
others
who
live
among
them
who
are
the
outcasts,
the
misunderstood,
those
that
do
not
fit
in
to
the
general
archetype
of
accepted
human
behavior.
These
are
the
Celestial
beings
that
live
among
us.
Even
the
greatest
of
all
the
Celestial
spirits
had
to
experience
mortality
and
show
the
rest
of
us
that
he
was
worthy
of
the
calling
that
he
received
from
the
Creator.
He
had
to
prove
that
with
the
power
and
abilities
that
he
possessed
he
would
only
use
them
to
serve
others
and
not
aggrandize
himself.
He
was
truly
a
Celestial
human
but
was
hated
and
ridiculed
and
judged
for
what
he
taught
the
people.
He
taught
them
the
things
that
he
was
taught,
and
also
the
things
that
he
understood
about
the
plan
of
salvation
that
was
presented
to
all
of
us
as
spirits.
He
taught
us
that
unless
we
obeyed
the
things
that
he
taught,
we
could
not
receive
salvation
in
one
of
the
kingdoms
of
Glory
that
God
(his
Father)
had
prepared
for
us.
In
this
way
he
became
our
Savior.
After
he
was
rejected
and
killed
by
the
Telestial
beings
who
couldn’t
understand
and
accept
his
message,
he
was
allowed
to
resurrect
in
his
Celestial
body
and
go
reside
with
the
Gods
who
created
our
solar
system.
Before
he
left
he
made
sure
everyone
that
was
foreordained
to
help
the
plan
of
God
go
forth
was
prepared
for
the
work
that
they
were
chosen
to
do.
He
instructed
the
leaders
in
the
spirit
world,
headed
by
a
leader
that
would
eventually
be
called
the
Holy
Ghost,
to
follow
the
plan
exactly
and
help
those
who
were
mortal
follow
the
plan
also.
Because
most
humans
won’t
listen
to
their
hearts,
or
the
spirit
within
them,
there
is
a
great
need
that
the
plan
be
taught
by
those
who
are
experienced
in
the
culture
and
country
where
those
who
need
to
be
taught
reside.
Whether
it
be
Mohammed
in
the
Middle
East,
or
Buddha
in
the
Far
East,
or
Gandhi
in
India,
the
plan
was
taught
according
to
the
customs
and
traditions
of
the
people
of
the
world.
In
1961,
in
the
town
of
Salt
Lake
City,
Utah,
one
of
those
spirits
was
sent
to
fulfill
a
very
important
mission
for
those
who
dwelt
in
the
culture
of
his
mortal
parents.
He
was
watched
over
by
the
spirits
who
were
assigned
to
make
sure
he
had
every
opportunity
to
do
what
he
was
foreordained
to
do.
He
was
born
into
sorrow
and
sadness
and
raised
in
a
world
that
he
tried
hard
to
accept,
and
by
which
he
tried
many
times
to
be
accepted.
Unable
to
find
happiness
in
the
world
that
he
had
been
taught
to
believe
in,
he
sought
for
the
inner
strength
that
had
supported
him
ever
since
he
was
a
small
child.
Watched
over
by
Celestial
beings
who
had
passed
through
life
and
received
their
eternal
bodies
that
could
never
die,
his
life
was
preserved
so
that
he
could
one
day
fulfill
his
destiny—a
destiny
from
which
he
would
run
away
time
and
time
again.
He
would
lose
family,
friends,
wives
and
children
and
find
few
who
understand
him
and
love
him
for
who
he
is.
He
would
be
forced
to
hide
his
true
nature
from
those
who
know
him,
and
for
their
sake
and
for
his
own
protection,
deceive
them.
He
would
be
a
vagabond
and
a
wanderer
desperately
seeking
for
that
which
he
lost.
He
would
learn
the
misery
of
the
poor
and
the
arrogance
of
the
rich.
He
would
personally
witness
the
injustice
of
the
corrupt
governments
of
humankind
and
the
hypocrisy
of
modern
religious
churches
that
taught
as
doctrine
the
commandments
of
men
but
denied
the
Holy
Ghost
and
the
true
plan
of
God.
He
would
be
hated
and
persecuted
and
reviled
as
an
evil
man
who
is
a
devil,
a
lunatic,
who
hardly
can
understand
the
truth
of
man,
let
alone
the
truths
of
God.
All
these
things
he
would
experience
so
that
he
would
understand
the
significance
of
his
calling
and
have
the
knowledge
and
the
ability
to
perform
the
work
that
he
had
been
chosen
to
do.
His
name
will
be
had
for
good
and
for
evil
throughout
the
world,
and
at
first
he
shall
stand
alone
as
a
testimony
of
who
he
is
and
what
he
has
been
called
to
do.
Eventually
others
will
receive
his
work
and
glorify
God
for
the
great
blessing
they
have
received
through
him.
And
in
the
end,
his
work
will
stand
as
a
testimony
of
who
he
is
and
what
he
has
been
called
to
do.
One
of
the
greatest
revelations
of
all
time
shall
come
forth
at
his
hand
and
cause
many
to
come
to
the
knowledge
of
a
truth
that
has
been
hidden
from
the
world
because
of
the
wickedness
and
frailties
of
human
nature.
Yet
in
all
these
experiences,
he
will
hurt
no
other,
nor
will
he
hate
or
abuse
any.
He
will
learn
who
he
is
through
the
trials
and
experiences
that
the
leaders
of
the
Spirit
World
and
the
Celestial
realm
would
have
him
go
through.
And
finally,
when
he
is
ready,
he
would
be
given
the
power
and
the
authority
to
do
what
he
was
called
before
the
womb
to
do—bring
to
the
world
the
sealed
portion
of
the
gold
plates
of
Mormon,
another
testimony
of
the
plan
of
salvation
given
to
all
of
humanity
by
the
God
that
created
them.
I
am
he.
I
am
Christopher,
a
modern‐day
revelator
and
a
friend
to
all.
During
the
course
of
my
life
I
have
experienced
the
hardships
of
homelessness
and
the
devastation
of
corrupt
legal
policies
that
serve
only
those
that
can
afford
to
buy
into
the
system
of
law.
I
have
seen
firsthand
the
burden
of
poor
health
and
dental
care
to
those
who
can’t
afford
its
services,
and
the
insidious
emotional
conditions
that
millions
are
subjected
to
in
what
society
has
named,
correctional
facilities—jails
and
prisons.
I
have
seen
the
corruption
of
business
and
the
self‐serving
lifestyle
of
the
rich
and
those
who
see
themselves
as
the
“Upper
Class”
and
put
themselves
above
their
neighbor.
I
have
personally
witnessed
the
destruction
of
the
pure
gospel
message
of
a
caring
Creator
by
those
who
seek
power,
fame,
and
fortune,
and
who
love
money,
and
their
substance,
and
their
fine
apparel,
and
the
adorning
of
their
churches,
more
than
they
love
the
poor
and
the
needy,
the
sick
and
the
afflicted,
the
outcasts
and
the
imprisoned.
I
have
personally
experienced
human
nature
and
all
of
its
selfishness.
I
can
truly
testify
to
the
world
that
the
carnal
human
is
indeed
an
enemy
of
God,
and
to
quote
the
profound
words
of
an
ancient
prophet:
“Do
not
suppose,
because
it
has
been
spoken
concerning
restoration,
that
ye
shall
be
restored
from
sin
to
happiness.
Behold,
I
say
unto
you,
wickedness
never
was
happiness.
And
now
my
son,
all
men
that
are
in
a
state
of
nature,
or
I
would
say,
in
a
carnal
state,
are
in
the
gall
of
bitterness
and
in
the
bonds
of
iniquity;
they
are
without
God
in
the
world,
and
they
have
gone
contrary
to
the
nature
of
God;
therefore,
they
are
in
a
state
contrary
to
the
nature
of
happiness.
And
now
behold,
is
the
meaning
of
the
word
restoration
to
take
a
thing
of
a
natural
state
and
place
it
in
an
unnatural
state,
or
to
place
it
in
a
state
opposite
to
its
nature?
O,
my
son,
this
is
not
the
case;
but
the
meaning
of
the
word
restoration
is
to
bring
back
again
evil
for
evil,
or
carnal
for
carnal,
or
devilish
for
devilish—good
for
that
which
is
good;
righteous
for
that
which
is
righteous;
just
for
that
which
is
just;
merciful
for
that
which
is
merciful.”
The
Sealed
Portion
is
one
of
the
most
profound
and
comprehensive
revelations
that
the
world
has
ever
known.
It
does
not
differentiate
between
religion
and
politics.
Generally
speaking,
religion
refers
to
humans
dealing
with
God,
and
politics
refers
to
humans
dealing
with
each
other.
However,
in
reality
there
can
be
no
distinction
between
the
two.
Because
humans
make
the
distinction,
they
can
justify
the
abuse
of
politics
in
the
name
of
religion,
and
vice
versa—they
can
justify
the
abuse
of
religion
in
the
name
of
politics.
In
the
eyes
of
the
Gods
that
set
life
and
our
existence
in
motion
there
is
no
difference—they
are
one
in
the
same.
The
eternal
laws
of
the
heavens,
i.e.,
the
laws
of
nature
are
just
that,
eternal—unchangeable
and
unalterable.
Though
the
laws
of
humans
can
be
changed
from
time
to
time
(according
to
the
abstract
time
of
humankind)
to
fit
the
desires
of
the
majority,
or
of
the
most
powerful,
the
laws
of
God
cannot
be
changed
or
altered.
These
eternal
laws
were
given
to
humankind
the
moment
they
were
first
placed
on
this
planet
and
have
not
changed
since.
These
laws
were
taught
to
the
human
race
according
to
each
of
our
abilities
to
understand
and
live
them.
At
times
they
were
given
in
the
name
of
Allah,
at
times
through
Buddha
or
Confucius,
Jesus
Christ,
or
Gandhi,
and
at
times
through
the
serene
and
gentle
messages
of
renown
philosophers,
such
as
Socrates
and
others
who
lived
among
a
people
that
didn’t
understand—or
better,
refused
to
understand—the
simple
message
that
they
were
trying
to
teach.
Socrates,
like
Jesus
Christ,
refused
to
leave
any
personal
writings
that
explained
his
message,
principles
and
doctrines.
These
men
were
wise
enough
to
realize
that
when
something
is
written
down,
it
can
also
be
doctored
and
changed
to
fit
the
political
ideas
of
human
nature,
and
then
presented
as
if
one
of
these
great
men
had
actually
said
it.
However,
the
Gods
are
much
wiser
than
we
humans
could
ever
hope
to
be,
and
there
was
a
plan
given
whereby
the
eternal
laws
of
nature
could
be
taught
and
given
in
such
a
way
that
they
could
not
be
changed
by
the
foolishness
of
finite
human
understanding.
A
human
was
called
to
prepare
some
thin
plates
made
of
gold
and
other
metal
alloys
that
would
allow
for
preservation,
weight,
and
the
ability
to
write
a
lot
of
meaning
in
few
characters.
This
human
was
courageous,
yet
kind;
compassionate,
yet
just,
and
gave
all
the
glory
of
this
incredible
work
to
the
God
who
called
upon
him
to
do
the
assignment.
This
ancient
revelator
also
had
in
his
possession
some
ancient
stones,
which
are
called
the
Urim
and
Thummim.
However,
when
he
held
the
stones
in
his
own
hands
nothing
happened,
they
remained
just
stones.
Just
before
he
died
he
entrusted
many
historical
records
of
a
political
and
religious
nature
to
his
son
as
well
as
many
other
ancient
records
that
could
only
be
read
through
the
interpreters.
He
knew
that
when
his
son
held
the
Urim
and
Thummim,
it
began
to
work.
He
instructed
his
son
to
write
as
much
as
was
possible
with
the
limited
amount
of
gold
and
the
other
alloys
that
were
used
to
make
the
plates.
This
prophet
specifically
pointed
out
a
record
that
had
been
read
and
mentioned
by
others,
but
not
read
by
him,
owing
to
the
fact
that
the
Urim
and
Thummim
did
not
work
for
him.
He
gave
his
son
specific
instructions
to
use
the
stones
to
make
an
abridgement
of
the
ancient
writings
and
seal
them
up
as
the
Spirit
would
instruct
him.
It
shouldn’t
matter
what
the
ancient
prophet’s
name
was.
It
should
only
matter
that
the
things
that
he
wrote
down
were
the
inspired
words
of
God.
This
ancient
prophet’s
name
was
Mormon,
and
his
son
name
was
Moroni.
Moroni
complied
with
the
instructions
of
his
father
as
well
as
those
that
he
received
from
the
spiritual
realm
that
was
in
place
to
guide
and
direct
him
in
his
mission.
The
gold
plates
of
Mormon
were
prepared
to
teach
the
people
of
the
world
specific
truths
about
the
dealings
of
the
Gods
with
humankind,
and
more
importantly
to
give
to
the
human
race
the
plan
of
eternal
peace
and
happiness
that
comprises
the
plan
of
God.
When
the
plates
were
first
given
to
a
young
man
named
Joseph
Smith,
who
lived
in
the
newly
formed
United
States
in
the
early
19th
Century,
the
world
was
ready
for
the
introduction
of
a
form
of
revelation
that
was
needed
to
prepare
the
people
of
the
world
for
the
eventual
introduction
of
a
revelation
that
could
change
the
course
of
human
history.
Joseph
Smith
was
commanded
not
to
break
the
seals
that
had
been
placed
around
approximately
2/3
of
the
thin
gold
plates
that
Mormon
and
his
son
had
prepared.
The
time
was
not
right
for
its
introduction.
It
would
be
saved
for
a
time
when
the
entire
human
race
would
be
threatened
with
imminent
destruction
because
of
the
mess
that
was
created
by
the
religions
and
political
governments
of
the
world.
It
would
come
in
a
time
when
the
hearts
of
humans
would
fail
them,
and
their
love
for
each
other
would
wax
cold
with
prejudice,
bias,
and
fear.
It
would
come
in
a
time
when
the
truly
righteous
followers
of
the
plan
of
God
are
being
persecuted
and
hated
for
trying
to
follow
the
plan
of
happiness
that
the
Spirit
testifies
of
to
their
hearts
and
to
their
minds.
It
will
come
in
time
when
Satan
and
his
followers
will
have
tremendous
power
and
influence
over
the
hearts
and
desires
of
the
human
race—a
time
when
this
power
and
influence
would
cause
all,
both
small
and
great,
rich
and
poor,
free
and
bond
to
receive
a
mark
in
their
right
hand,
or
in
their
forehead.
And
that
no
man
or
woman
might
buy
or
sell,
save
they
had
the
mark,
or
the
power
and
influence
of
Satan
to
give
them
their
pleasure
and
their
happiness.
This
great
revelation
was
saved
for
the
last
days
before
the
Gods
choose
once
again
to
visit
this
solar
system,
and
in
all
Their
power
and
glory
manifest
Themselves
before
the
human
race
and
once
again
teach
them
the
plan
of
eternal
salvation
and
happiness
that
all
humans
desire.
The
Sealed
Portion
will
prepare
the
world
for
the
Lord’s
coming
(Yes,
the
coming
of
the
Gods),
Alien
Visitors
from
Their
own
planet
who
will
help
the
faltering
humans
find
the
truths
that
these
Gods
live
by
in
Their
own
solar
systems,
so
that
the
human
race
can
finally
experience
and
know
eternal
happiness.
It
will
come
to
those
who
have
the
faith
and
humility
to
read
its
marvelous
contents.
Many
will
refuse
to
read
it
because
of
pride
and
arrogance,
believing
that
God
would
not
teach
his
creations
in
this
way.
They
believe
that
God
only
teaches
in
the
way
that
these
faithless
humans
have
been
accustomed
to
learning—through
the
religions
of
man
spread
throughout
the
world
like
a
cancerous
sore,
corrupting,
changing,
and
discounting
the
true
message
of
the
good
news
(the
gospel)
that
the
Gods
are
willing
to
share
with
us.
Because
of
their
hate,
and
their
prejudice,
and
their
supposed
learning,
they
shall
refuse
to
open
their
minds
and
their
hearts
to
the
possibility
that
they
are
wrong,
and
that
their
actions
are
the
reason
for
the
sadness,
misery,
and
strife
of
the
world.
Believing
that
they
are
righteous
followers
of
God,
their
religious
and
political
leaders
will
lead
them
in
diverse
directions
wanting
only
to
serve
the
needs
of
their
churches,
their
governments,
and
their
manmade
laws.
Though
their
numbers
will
be
few
at
first,
the
righteous
will
read
the
words
of
The
Sealed
Portion
and
learn
truths
that
they
have
never
before
considered.
They
will
read
the
history
and
beginnings
of
their
race
as
seen
by
the
spiritual
realm
from
whence
they
were
spawned.
They
will
see
the
weakness,
hypocrisy,
and
carnal
state
of
human
beings
as
they
begin
to
exercise
their
free
agency
in
mortality
and
seek
for
the
pleasures
and
happiness
that
a
mortal
body
can
give
to
a
spiritual
being.
They
will
read
of
the
many
governments
that
humans
have
tried
to
establish
among
themselves
in
order
to
find
the
elusive
happiness
that
they
all
desire.
They
will
read
about
the
demise
and
downfall
of
these
governments
of
humans
that
were
established
by
men
and
women
that
would
not
listen
to
the
prophets
and
revelators
of
their
time,
but
who
killed
these
pious
instigators
of
rebellion,
as
they
saw
them,
within
their
political
and
religious
kingdoms.
They
will
have
another
testimony
of
the
mission
of
Jesus
Christ,
the
only
mortal
that
was
created
by
the
reproductive
matter
of
a
God.
They
will
read
how
he
was
born
into
the
lowliest
of
circumstances,
and
even
though
he
had
the
power
to
destroy
the
wicked,
he
chose
to
love
and
forgive
them
instead.
This
earthly
God
would
teach
the
plan
of
salvation
and
the
eternal
laws
that
must
be
abided
by
in
order
to
obtain
this
eternal
salvation—thus
becoming
a
Savior
of
the
world.
The
Sealed
Portion
will
reveal
a
much
more
in‐depth
look
into
the
life
and
actions
of
this
half‐god,
and
will
finally
set
the
record
straight
about
what
his
life
and
death
were
all
about—a
record
that
has
been
misinterpreted
and
misunderstood
for
over
2000
years.
The
Gods
have
determined
the
best
time
to
introduce
such
extraordinary
knowledge
and
understanding
to
the
human
race.
The
Sealed
Portion
will
contain
all
the
necessary
information
that
humankind
needs
to
bring
peace,
prosperity,
and
happiness
to
the
earth
for
the
first
time
since
humans
were
first
introduced
here
thousands
of
years
ago.
It
will
outline
the
necessary
functions
and
policies
of
a
government—not
a
political
or
a
religious
government,
but
a
government
of
truth
and
righteousness.
It
will
explain
the
laws
of
nature
regarding
health
and
the
perpetuation
of
eternal
life—bodies
that
will
never
grow
old
and
die.
Yes,
it
will
be
the
greatest
source
of
inspired
revelation
that
the
world
has
ever
known.
The
Gods
do
not
give
such
incredibly
important
assignments
to
those
who
would
use
them
for
their
own
self‐gain
and
interests.
Neither
do
they
allow
the
rich,
the
powerful,
the
proud
and
the
educated
to
do
their
will.
These
humans
already
have
their
worldly
honors
and
glories,
and
most
assuredly
would
use
a
heavenly
assignment
to
further
aggrandize
themselves
with
it.
Also,
those
who
have
the
honors
and
glories
of
men
have
already
proven
that
they
sought
more
after
these
honors
than
they
did
after
the
true
plan
of
God.
Because
their
hearts
are
set
so
much
upon
the
things
of
this
world,
and
aspire
to
the
honors
of
men,
they
do
not
learn
this
one
lesson—that
the
rights
of
the
priesthood,
which
is
the
ability
to
act
as
an
emissary
and
prophet
of
God,
are
inseparably
connected
with
the
powers
of
heaven,
and
that
these
powers
cannot
be
controlled
nor
handled
only
upon
the
principles
of
righteousness.
For
this
reason,
a
confused
young
25
year‐old
man
found
himself
kneeling
before
the
only
God
that
he
had
ever
known
in
a
room
that
was
adorned
with
the
expensive
portraits
of
the
human
men
that
he
had
been
taught
to
believe
were
the
prophets
and
emissaries
of
God
on
earth.
In
this
room
of
exquisite
opulence
and
worldly
glory,
he
received
his
calling
as
an
emissary
and
a
revelator
of
God.
He
did
not
have
the
degrees
and
the
worldly
success
of
the
men
that
adorned
the
walls
of
that
secret
room
in
the
temple,
and
who
looked
at
him
through
the
illusionary
eyes
of
an
artist’s
brush.
He
did
not
have
their
money,
their
prestige,
or
their
position
in
religion
and
in
the
society
of
humans—a
society
in
which
he
found
himself
an
outcast.
He
was
not
called
to
any
position
of
authority
by
other
men
who
had
the
supposed
priesthood
of
God,
which
priesthood
was
nullified
by
the
works
of
these
revered
“High
Priests”.
In
the
hands
of
these
High
Priests
the
two
sacred
stones
that
were
prepared
as
interpreters
of
the
word
of
God
would
not
work.
Though
he
did
not
have
the
worldly
honors
and
titles
of
these
men,
he
had
one
thing
that
they
did
not—
the
sanctification
and
support
of
the
Spirit
World
where
he
was
foreordained.
And
to
prove
to
himself
and
eventually
to
the
world
that
he
was
foreordained,
when
he
took
the
Urim
and
Thummim
in
his
hands,
it
worked.
Whether
he
is
rejected
by
the
entire
world,
does
not
matter.
His
name
will
be
heralded
as
a
saint
and
blasphemized
as
a
sinner.
But
in
the
end,
the
work
that
he
has
been
called
to
do
shall
stand
as
a
testimony
of
who
he
was,
what
he
believed,
and
how
he
lived
his
life.
Christopher
Marc
Nemelka,
good
or
bad,
is
still
my
name—a
representation
of
my
works.
Clarification Needed
Chris writes:
The Sealed Portion specifically does not teach the mystery that I
shared with you because there are men out there that would do exactly
what J J Dewey and John C, felt would be the case--wife swapping or
polygamy. But I can assure you, that neither wife swapping or
polygamy are condoned or accepted in any way or form in the gospel of
Jesus Christ.
JJ
This is good to know. Instead of being upset at my post you should
be grateful to have this teaching clarified for your writings give
the definite impression that you support plural marriage and the
sharing of spouses, partners or whatever name you give them.
For one thing, chapter two seems to make it clear that the one Father
has many wives. When the Brother of Jared was taken to the planet
where all the children of the earth were begotten we are told:
2:12 It was on this world that OUR FATHER BEGOT HIS POSTERITY, EVEN
THE SPIRITS OF ALL THE CHILDREN OF MEN WHICH LIVE UPON THE WORLD ON
WHICH THOU STANDEST. And this was once a world like unto the world
on which thou livest, and is where our Father learned the mysteries
and responsibilities of godhood.
2:13 And behold, it is upon this same world where the mothers
(plural) of the spirits of all the children of God reside with the
Father. (singular)
Notice the writings speak of one father of us all, but mothers in the
plural. If the Sealed Portion teaches that the Father is a
polygamist then logically it should follow that polygamy would be all
right for celestial entities here.
But then we seem to have a contradiction in chapter four:
4:12 For behold, all of the spirits of every man and woman who have
lived upon this earth were born unto eternal mothers and fathers in
the world that the brother of Jared beheld.
Chapter two tells us that there was one father who created the
spirits of the earth and later we are told there are many fathers and
mothers.
Which is it? Is God a polygamist or not? You need to overlook your
negativity toward me and clarify your doctrine here.
The Sealed Portion states definitely that the family unit as
currently constituted is evil. Now your teachings about sharing in
the raising of children have some merit if not gone to an extreme,
but the family unit is more than children. Many family units have no
children. According to the Sealed Portion these would also be evil
because one would value his spouse above the value of other people
out there.
Then you tell us that the law of consecration applies to more than
material things but also our families. The spouse is the most
important and enduring part of the earthly family. In consecration
of money we give it to the group to be shared by the group. The
Sealed Portion tells us clearly that the children are to be
consecrated to the group and responsibility shared by the group.
This would imply that we consecrate our spouses to the group and they
are also shared by the group. To be committed to one spouse would
produce the same selfishness and desire to possess as it would to see
children as yours exclusively.
Your writings really make it sound like if you do not share and
consecrate your spouse with the group then you are a part of the
family unit established by Satan.
The Sealed Portion quotes Jesus as saying:
50:18 But this thing is an abomination before the Father who hath
created all of His children to be equal in all things. For behold,
if ye separate yourselves into families, ye are not equal in all
things, but think more for the needs of your families than ye do for
those of your other brothers and sister who are not of your own
family.
50:36 But he that forsaketh his family and followeth after me and
endureth to the end shall be saved in the kingdom of God where there
are no families, but children under one God, who is our Father in
heaven.
It sounds like we are supposed to separate ourselves from not only
our children, but our spouses. This poses a problem you have not
addressed. If we separate ourselves from our wives then who do we
have sex with to procreate? Are we supposed to have children with
someone picked at random with whom we have no commitment?
Your teachings lead to some very odd conclusions that need to be
clarified. Believe me, if I do not bring this up now, someone else
will in the future. Instead of condemning me you should be thanking
me, in my opinion.
Chris
This type of notion would never enter into the heart of a Celestial
person. Adam was with Eve and Eve, alone.
JJ
You also stated:
"Adam and Eve were NOT the only beings created and placed in the
garden of Eden in the beginning. Adam was the leader of a community
of beings created by Elohim to be the first people upon the earth
that possessed the bodies that were created for them."
You indicate here that Adam and Eve lived together as a committed
couple, yet also lived in as community of beings like themselves. It
sounds like they had a family unit (husband and wife) that is
condemned in the Sealed Portion. Some additional clarification is
needed. Is a family unit only evil if there are children? If so,
this is a badly needed point of clarification.
Chris
Many women asked to have Joseph Smith as the "Father" of their
children in the Eternal Worlds after this principle was made known.
JJ
Does this mean that Joseph will have plural wives in the Celestial
kingdom? If so, then can celestial men have multiple wives or
partners here?
Chris
If heresay evidence is acceptable, then there was a time that I
didn't love my children and forced each one of them to sleep without
a pillow and go into the chicken yard and gather feathers for their
own pillows if they wanted one. That I am a mean father who never
told his children that I loved them or told them bedtime stories. My
gosh, it can all be proven by a Sheriff's report in Ravali County
Montana. Did it happen? Absolutely not! In fact, one need only
interview my ex-wife Jackie, who is now a bitter enemy of mine and
certainly has no reason ... or protect me, and she will
tell the truth, because she, alledged by the police report, was one
of the perpetuators of this evil against children. BE CAREFUL WHAT
YOU JUDGE TO BE TRUTH AND WHAT YOU DO NOT. FOR WITH THE SAME MEASURE,
SHALL YE BE JUDGED.
JJ
I have never commented on or judged your personal life. I go by your
words and works that you claim as your own.
There were some accusations against you by Terrill, the Holy Ghost on
David's outcasts of which you should be aware.
I personally believe that the doctrine of plural marriage was a
mistake as practiced by the church so it is possible we are in
agreement.
Chris
The sharing of a man can only be done according to the gospel of
Jesus Christ, and this gospel gives no right nor authority to any man
to make a decision to take more than one wife.
JJ
What is the sharing of a man? It sounds like plural relationships or
a form of plural marriage.
Chris
I know its hard to believe that we live in a Telestial world that
does not allow for Celestial principles to be lived, but such is our
current state. However, think of a community of individuals living
in any big city in the United States, where each man and woman have
their own homes that border on a school, community center, etc.,
where they wake up in the morning knowing that if Jr. left early to
go to school and goes over to Ben's house down the street to walk
with him, that Ben's mother would make sure Jr. had a nutritious
breakfast and brushed his teeth before the boys left for school.
Wouldn't it be nice?
Jj
Personally, it does not sound attractive to me if I were a small
child again. I liked being left alone when I was a kid. For those
who desire this situation there is nothing stopping them from doing
it now. In fact, many families do use a group effort to a degree. I
do not see any one black and white formula that applies to all here.
I do not see where a small group effort (regular family) or a larger
group effort (aunts, uncles, neighbors etc) makes much difference in
the spiritual status of the individual.
Chris
I have yet to meet any person that has raised his or her children in
a Celestial environment. Is it impossible, NOT AT ALL! It can be
done, but the emphasis placed inside the home has got to be
completely "outside" of the home. :-)
JJ
We have witnessed the destruction of the regular family unit over the
past 50 years and more dependence on the outside State and society is
much the worse for it.
Chris
Again, I make the same challenge as Moroni in The Sealed Portion in
chapter 50, referring to those who solicit the eternal family unit:
JJ
The scripture you quote does not apply to any of my teachings. I do
not teach the eternal family unit as espoused by the church. "If
there is a beginning there must be an end."
Chris
Bro. Dewey, I have outlined my relationships with the many women in
my life, who, in my lack of understanding and deceived state, hurt
them in their emotions; these are revealed in my personal
autobiography available to all. Since you have asked for a sign, (or
your witness of this work)
JJ
I did not ask for a sign, nor do I now. I merely pointed out to you
the witness principle which the scriptures say applies to God's work.
A witness is different than a sign.
Chris
I say to you, tell us of the women in your life with whom you have
disobeyed the gospel of Christ, or should they be revealed to your
followers as the Lord revealed the many husbands of the Samarian
woman, who then knew that he was her Lord?
JJ
There are no dark secrets to reveal here. Sorry.
Chris
Is your dear wife following these discussions? Shall I name names
JJ
She hasn't read the discussions, but I have told her about them. I
do not know what names you are referring to but you have the freedom
to name any name you wish.
Chris:
Remember, he who looketh upon a woman to lust after her, has commited
adultery already in his heart.
JJ
Why are you saying this to me without cause? Sounds very judgmental.
Chris
You, dear Sir, are questioning this work as the Scribes and Pharisees
of old questioned Christ in order to elicit doubt and lay a snare for
me to be caught in.
JJ
There you go grouping me with the wicked again. I could say that you
are like the Scribes and Pharisees because you rely upon your
authority and do not like to be questioned.
Why do you not be more like Jesus? He answered their questions so
well that no man dared ask him any more questions. I am far from
being afraid from asking you questions.
Chris
Your name did come up at the March 12 meeting, and you know as well
as I do, that it was not of a good nature.
JJ
Trying to put the fear of God into me using the authority of other
worldly beings... If you were talking with beings from God they
would not have you use an attempt at fear toward an innocent man.
Chris
I am not afraid of your diatribes and your works, for in the end,
your works will condemn you before God.
JJ
Me thinks you protest too much. I think you are afraid. This is why
you are starting another group where I cannot make comments.
Chris
Repent my dear brother, or your emotional turmoil will end up like
that of the Scribes and Pharisees of old.
JJ
You keep telling me over and over to repent but do not say that of
which I am to repent. Please, if you say this again tell me my sins
first.
Chris
I now can give proper counsel according to that which I have been
told concerning J J Dewey: He is indeed, a wolf in sheep's
clothing--avoid his doctrine and his cunningness for it will lead you
away from the gospel of Jesus Christ. OF course, some of you have
already figured this out for themselves by reading his works.
JJ
Perhaps you are looking in a mirror here for your judgement of me is
entirely incorrect. I am exactly what I claim to be. My teachings
are exactly what I believe with no sinister hidden agenda. I do not
lie and believe in total honesty.
I have checked you out because I check out every work or person that
comes to my attention wherein a revelation is claimed. You never
know when you might find a real one - and I have found a couple. I
am treating you the same way I treat all those I check out and you
are giving me the typical reaction which is to condemn me because I
do not mindlessly accept your authority.
I will add this. Your claims are more interesting than most from the
LDS mindset. However, I met an ex Mormon the other day giving you
some competition. He is generating a following and claims to have
created the universe among other things.
Re: Better than SP
What a complete dipshit, Dewey! No wonder Nemelka called you evil,
you idiot! Why don't you quote all of what Nemelka said, you lying
idiot laying in wait to deceive! Now you are tyring to get everyone
to believe some fantasy, like your Immortal bullshit, called the
Thioubaa Bullshit, that some guy claims he got when he was
penetrated in the ass by some aliens for a few days. COME ON IDIOTS!
GET A CLUE! You follow this Dewey idot, you'll be searching for
truth in fantasy for the rest of your lives. Yea, Christopher isn't
here to protect you guys now, and I don't give a damn what I say in
truth, because you guys take the cake, and choke on it! What you
don't realize, you should, hes' pointed it out to you many times, is
your shit dont' stack up nothing compared to Chris' work. He hasn't
been to any of your sites demeaning you. He called an Ace an Ace on
this sight that was set up for his work not yours. NO WONDER HE LEFT
YOU FOOLS TO YOURSELVES. You're a bald-headed idiot, Dewey, who
standing next to Christopehr Nemelka in the flesh, would look and
appear like the corrupter of truth that you are.
YOU GUYs, especially you Harry, are you going back to your own
vomit? Are you expecting some Aliens to come down, take you away,
put a probe up your ass and give you the fantasies of Dewey and
Alec? Alec, throw out the SP, you're just as much an idiot as Dewey
and Jumper. Look at this Jumper dumbshit: First he tells everyone
that he's a psychic wonderbum who has the right to all the Nephite
records and when he's condemned and taught by a real prophet, he
returns to his own vomit, the LDS Church, sees his bishop and blows
smoke up the Bishop's ass so that he can see the guy's eyes water so
that it looks like he's crying and wanting the lunatic Jumper back
in the church. Good one, Jumper, you're a real gem.
Dewey, go back under the rock where you came from. Believe me,
Nemelka's work makes yours stink pretty bad. You make claims against
the Sp, so back em up with fact, you adulterous asshole! What holes
are left, come on dipshit, quote some. Oh yea I forgot, the same
probe that's up Alec's ass came out of his mouth and went in your
ass. God, Harry! are you going to get a taste of their shit stained
probe also. Get a clue and get over to Nemelka's new site where he
doesn't let such garbage in.
Oh yea the real thing! I love it when I can express the truth to you
idiots without offending Chris, who could care less what you pieces
of shit think. Hell, while we're at it: You seemed to be smarter
than this, Harry. What the hell happened? Cant' get over the little
green men thing? Have you also felt one of these probes? If you
have, maybe Chris was wrong about Dewey not being able to win back
one of the dipshit assholes that follow him, and you have proved
Nemelka a "false prophet". Go ahead and get back in the graces of
Dewey and smell your own vomit. It will make you sick just like it
did before. Sure, Chris isn't going to let anyone in his discussion
group who is full of shit, and Harry, I am afraid you fell in your
pig's shit and haven't washed it out of your eyes so you can see.
Get a clue, Bra, I kinda liked you.
As for the rest of you pitiful asswipes, I don't give a rat's ass
what you think of me, hell, I don't even think of me, but I know
Nemelka does not act like you guys, and his wisdom makes yours look
like the shit covered alien probe that has been in so many asses
before and which all of you seem to enjoy sticking in your mouth and
it aint' given ya a bit of truth.
You're an idiot Dewey! In one of the latest communiques I received
from Chris, yea he told me to leave you dogs to your vomit with
love, but I made no promises, he hit the mark when he said and I
quote from his words: "Dewey's teachings and those of others like
him are like the Picaso and Renoir paintings of our time. These
artists are accepted by others for their brillant works of art,
which immitate true natural scenes, but are nothing compared to the
real beauty of the nature that God has given us. Their works are
child like renditions of seeing nature through the eyes of fantasy,
and thus their paintings seem glorious to the eyes of all those who
have convinced themselves that these artists have talent. When I
look at a Picaso, Renoir, or the likes, I see obscurity at best. But
when I walk in a park or in a forest, nothing compares in glory to
what God has done."
Dewey and the rest of you "great artists" go ahead and keep painting
your pieces of shit artwork and trying to convince the world that
its great. Yea, you'll get money for it and probably convince the
world that your wonderful artists, hell, even G. Bush can convince
that, but what you really are are fucking corrupters of truth and
the good nature that we don't need to pay for to see. You might be
Picasos and Renoirs with your teachings, but Christopher Nemelka
teaches the words of God. It's not hard to see the difference when
a side by side examination is done.
Get a life idiots or get the hell lost!!!! Josh
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, J J Dewey wrote:
> Here's the latest piece of doctrine from Chris' new list,
parenthesis mine.
>
> "I cannot allow the doctrine of The Sealed Portion, which is the
> "unfolded" revelations of Jesus Christ to be compared to, or
> attempted to be disputed by "folded" revelations (the standard
works
> or all previous scriptures). I would advise any of those who are
to
> serve the Father in this work to stay away from quoting "folded"
> scripture (Bible, BOM, D&C, P of GP) that might confuse
and "offend"
> one of the "little ones."
>
>
> If any of you were on the fence with this guy the repercussions of
> this statement should push you off. In other words, the statement
of
> Jesus that we should love our neighbors as ourselves is folded.
If
> he decides to give an unfolded revelation saying the opposite,
> subjects are to believe without question.
>
> Obviously this unfolded doctrine is setting the followers up (if
he
> ever gets any) to ignore all the wisdom of the past to lean on the
> arm of flesh.
>
> If you want to read something much more fascinating and believable
> than the Sealed Portion I would recommend Thiaoouba that was
> recommended by Alex a while back. I've been reading it and its
the
> most stimulating story of the earth's past I have read in some
time
> and it doesn't have the gaps in logic found in the Sealed Portion.
>
> JJ
Re: Better than SP
For whatever good it might do, here's the cut and pasted version of
Nemelka's entire email to me: (You can see that he loves you all, I
don't understand his love, but all the same, he does. His response
was sent to me after I told him about the shit being spread about
him on this discussion board and other websites and that I was going
to go to Dewey's group and cause some shit to fly.)
Hey Bro. J.
Let it go, Josh, it's just not worth it.
He is our brother, though confused as he is, who deserves the
respect that we expect from him. (Why do I feel that you aren't
going to listen to my advice. :-) )
Dewey's teachings and those of others like him are like the Picaso
and Renoir paintings of our time. These artists are accepted by
others for their brillant works of art, which immitate true natural
scenes, but are nothing compared to the real beauty of the nature
that God has given us. Their works are child like renditions of
seeing nature through the eyes of fantasy,
and thus their paintings seem glorious to the eyes of all those who
have convinced themselves that these artists have talent. When I
look at a Picaso, Renoir, or the likes, I see obscurity at best. But
when I walk in a park or in a forest, nothing compares in glory to
what God has done.
If they bring joy to those who peer upon them, neither you nor I has
the right to take away their happiness. I truly feel sorry for
them, as they have searched for truth for so long, and when the
Father puts it in front of them, they have eyes that do not see. It
burdens me to think of them at times, but such is the trials of this
calling.
I will be in Salt Lake soon, so please make time with Joe, so we can
see each other.
Your Friend and Brother,
Christopher
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Better than SP
Josh,
Time to take your ritalin.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
http://toddjumper.com/myforum/index.php?c=1
Re: Better than SP
Idon't take drugs you idiot! But I bet you can't go a day without a
medicine cabinet full. You take the cake you asshole!
Re: Better than SP
Hey Jumper, who Jumps from one group to the next looking for those
who will accept his wondrous calling of bullshit, probably given to
him when he was a teenager by the same aliens that probed Alec's
prophet's ass who wrote the Thibbodoua bullshit,
Jumper bunny, have you got a job yet or are you still sucking off
the work of your wife, you fat lazy idiot. Any man that makes his
wife go off to work each day while he sits at home in front of a
computer hoping someone will pay money for his bullshit clairvoyant
lies, has a serious need for medication. So, asswipe, how many
therapists have you seen in your lifetime? Huh, Our Mighty and
Confused One? Believe me, I am the wrong guy to throw your bullshit
at. Like I said, I haven't taken a drug (a legal one) in my life.
Yea, I smoked and I inhaled a bunch of times when I was a teenager,
but I never got a probe stuck up my ass while doing it. Hey, you
guys, what shit are ya smokin anyway? Pass on the info. so I can get
me some and get a free alien enema.
Give it up Jumper trying to stay up with the boys, you're a fucking
idiot, you belong in the LDS brainwashing institute.
And for the record: I am not a FOLLOWER of Nemelka, I ain't got the
patience to become a nice person and follow Christ. But I am a
great judge of character, and all the character that used to be on
this site went over to Nemelka's new one. Harry, get your ass over
there and leave these guys to the weed that they smoke, which I wish
I had some of so I could fantazise like these idiots.
Enough for today and by the way, I am not on my computer so you alls
aint going to be able to trace me. Oh but those aliens probably are,
sos I'd better say ta ta for now, and expect me back to knock some
fucking sense into you idiots from time to time. your enemy,
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Better than SP
You are like a rabid dog being backed into a corner about to be put down.
I hold you in contempt.
I prophesy there will be a time when Chris needs you and you will be no where to be found.
'A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.'
(Prov. 15:4.)
"Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly."
Nuff Said.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Josh
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Better than SP
I was invited back here to give the list a second chance, was told things calmed down, but
apparently no moderation is being enforced here. Take care.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Better than SP
Dear Joshua,
It was fun to read your epistle. I laughed heartily, and laughter prolongs
life (they say). (Another question, is it beneficial to prolong life of a
wicked person who is not going to repent?)
Your writing style is similar to the one of the other "One Mighty and
Strong", Artis Brent Bulla, who posts on alt.religion.mormon usenet
newsgroup. No wonder he posts only there - because that news group is not
moderated. He has been kicked from all the other moderated groups, and
kicked everybody (except for himself) from his own. Can you see a pattern?
However lexicon of Art Bulla is higher than yours.It is quasi-shakesperian.
He would say "manure" or "dung" rather than "bullshit", and "begone, you
foolish corrupt swine" rather than simply "go to hell fool". So you need to
learn a lot, Joshua.
However I promise you, you will not be moderated out. Keep posting until you
feel embarrassed of yourself.
Now back to practical points.
1. My name is not "Alec", but "Alex" (short form of Alexander).
2. Michel Desmarquet visited that planet Thiaoouba and stayed over there for
9 days. He saw things with his own physical eyes, and spoke to the people of
that planet in French, English and telepaticaly. He did not need Urim and
Thummim. He saw himself. I trust his account. It is not a science fiction.
If you have taken care to read SP once, you would quickly realise that these
people of Thiaoouba are the same "angels" doing God's work.
3. Extraterrestrials told M.Desmarquet many things about the history of our
Earth, when the first man ariived, what happened to the continent Mu and
Atlantis, how religions corrupted the Bible, who was Christ, etc.
4. Thiaoouba Prophecy supports many doctrines of the SP, but there are some
discrepancies also.
Regards,
Alex
Okay, Asswipe,
What's the difference between me calling you an "asswipe" and you
using your golden tongue bullshit to call Christopher Nemelka the
same thing? You're insinuating it with your innuendo. The only
reason I'd come over to your group is if I ran out of toliet paper
and needed something to wipe my own ass with, I'd print out all of
your conversations and use them for the only thing that would do
anyone any good. Okay, asswipe? From what I see, you got the Johns
back in your conversational graces, so let them wipe your ass for
awhile.
Now let's get into it Baldy: Come on "counselor" you go on and on
about Chris dodging a question. I've had time lately to review your
claims and I went back to all of the posts and came to this
conclusion, which, believe you me, I could take to a jury in court
and make you look like the asswipe that you are. He hasn't dodged
any of your questions, you just don't like his answers. He brought up
a perfect point that THE REST OF YOU F----- IDIOTS ARE NOT GETTING.
To me, this proved his point about Dewey all along: He brought up
Revelation 13:18, gave the correct interpretation and challenged
Deweymister to show his already given explanation which is
complete "bullshit" compared to the truth. The Great and Immortal
Asswipe couldn't answer Chris and didn't answer him. GO AND READ ALL
OF DEWEY'S COMMENTS ON WHAT 666 MEANS AND THEN READ THE TRUTH AND SEE
FOR EWES SELFS HOW CHRIS' FIRE BURNED THE S---OUT OF THE IMMORTAL
ASSWIPE. Come on Dewey, defend yourself. Throw out your continual
bullshit about 666 and let Chris' definition, which is hidden from
the whole Goddamn world except for now, through Chris, and see what
people think of both of your explanations.
Referring to him running, shit, Dewey you couldn't keep up with Chris
if he were crawling. He crawls faster than you run, you f---- idiot.
OKAY, EVERYONE THAT'S OFFENDED BY MY WORDS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN
THE NOUNS AND ADJECTIVES I USE WITH PROFANITY THAN THE DIATRIBES AND
SENSELESS INNUEDO THE DEWEYITES USE AGAINST CHRIS? THEY'RE ALL WORDS
THAT MEAN THE SAME, JUST DIFFERENT WORDS. (No, I wouldn't use them in
court, but this is far from a court of pitiful human ego and laws.)
Chris doesn't run and none of his posts indicated in anyway that he
did. John posed a question and Chris challenged you to answer it.
You didn't answer shi- directly and John saw that. Chris' answered
him in simplicity and plainness and you dribbled over your spewing
that didn't make a lick of sense. Go ahead, Immortalasswipeyness, ask
the Johns which of you makes the most sense? Ask them will Ya? No ya
won't because they will tell ya Chris does and you don't want to hear
that. Both of them an little ol' harry too has followed your
bullshit for awhile, but they left your bullshit seeking for truth,
which they found in TSP that you haven't read from front to back as
Kim pointied out to you, lying bastard! Here's your true colors,
hypocritical piece of sh--, You put in one of your posts that you
had "many friends" that were wanting to follow Chris and you needed
an explanation for them. You are a sorry ass piece of work, Picaso,
and I'd love to put you on the witness stand and drive your bald head
down into your ass where it seems to be. You lied in your posts,
asswipe! You don't have any friends wanting to follow Chris. He
caught you in this lie and you didn't like it, and YOU RAN FROM THE
ISSUE. Goddamn, it's so apparent from the previous posts by you that
YOU'RE the one running from Chris. READ THE DAMN THINGS FOLKS, AND
SEE THIS DEWEY PIECE OF SHI- FOR WHO HE REALLY IS!
Chris challenges you, asswipe, and has taken away some of those who
once respected you, that get's your goat (the same one that seperates
you from the sheep, asswipe). Do you realize, asswipe, that Chris has
not allowed the Johns and Harry and others to join his other group.
Hell, he won't even allow me (go figure). Why? You'd think he would.
BECAUSE THE FUC--- GUY KNOWS WHAT THE HELL HE'S DOING TO KEEP THE
PEACE AND TEACH WHAT JESUS TAUGHT INSTEAD OF WHAT DEWEY TEACHES,
THERE'S A BIG ASS DIFFERENCE, BUT YOU, ASSWIPE, TRY TO TELL PEOPLE
THAT THERE ISN'T.
Here's my challenge to you, asswipe, what the hell does time, times,
and half of time mean? You don't know, do ya, and if ya have any
clue its because you'll look it up in TSP that "unfolds" it plainly.
Your bullshit doctrine and understanding is exactly what Chris has
proven it to be. Sure, you have other asswipes who defend you because
they don't take the time to read TSP either, and they don't want to
be wrong anymore than you do.
My question to the rest of you hanging on to this site: Why don't ya
join the other site Chris set up, this time the way it's supposed to
be? Oh yea, cause he won't let you. Ever wondered why? Maybe it's
because you like the smell of Dewey's ass still, and maybe your own.
None of you asswipes, and wanna be asswipes have met Chris in person,
have you? Are you afraid? Wouldn't ya thing it be kinda important to
meet the man and see for yourself instead of sniffing around your
dirty asses until your noses can't smell anymore.
Hey Jumper Dude, you forget the power of the Internet and the
information available. Why don't you post to all of us how many
times and how much money you've spent seeing therapists and how many
perscription drugs you take for your mental illnesses, which appear
to be many. You have really proven yourself a case of work. You
credibility is as about as great as Dewey's is with God, not much.
Asswipe Dewey, I would love to get you on the witness stand and go
over all the posts in the past and show the jury what a lying,
misdirecting, and ignorant ass you really are. Quit while you're
ahead. You would be pleading the 5th every other sentence. No, I am
not going to waste my time going back and pointing all your bullshit
out, anymore than you point out discrepencies in TSP that you never
point out. I am not writing this for you, asswipe, your ears and eyes
are so full of Sh-- you'd never see nor hear. I am writing this to
get those who give you any credence to investigate themselves. John
Z. you don't know what the F--- you are talking about either when you
agree with Dewey about Chris' past actions. GO BACK AND READ THE
DAMN EVIDENCE, WILL YOU! God I hate a jury that doesn't consider the
evidence. No wonder Chris doesn't let you in to his new group, don't
become an asswipe too, Chris seems to like you, I don't but he does.
He seems to think you Johns are something special. I think the Spirit
won't let him approve you because I called it right on both of you
before.
For everyone's info: I do not belong in celestialville anymore than
Asswipe does. I cheat on my wife, too asswipe. I cheat on many
things, but that makes me a damn good lawyer, doesn't it. I've been
on vacation so I have time to get away from my house and do a little
research and respond to asswipes like Dewey who don't know Chris from
their own brain. Here ya go Harry:
Dewey: I don't recognize Christopher Nemelka as a prophet because I
don't see any indication empirically or spiritually that he is.
Josh: So, you need that kind of evidence to know that something
exists and is real, do you?
Dewey: Yes, I do.
Josh: Asswipe, do you have a brain?
Dewey: Yes, a good one, thinks me and those who read my books and
writings.
Josh: Can ya see it?
Dewey: (No response)
Josh: Can ya taste it, touch it, smell it, or hear it?
Dewey: (No response) because he knows what's coming.
Josh: Then according to your way of confirming truth, You, Sir, do
not have a brain!
Get a life and a clue Asswipe and leave Chris alone or he will burn
your lying ass up with love, truth, and with the testimony that
Christ will give when Chris is standing at his side when he comes to
crush your bald head, as you weep, wail and gnash your teeth and do
not dare to approach him. God, you're a work of art, Picaso Asswipe!
Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
Oh Come On, Deweywipe, cat got your forked tongue?
Here's another good example of your idiosy and your demented mind:
You challenged TSP claiming that it can't be true if it quotes
scripture presented in the future. Well, Brainless Asswipe, TSP is an
abrigment of the future given to Jared's brother. Christopher already
explained to everyone, who doesn't have their heads up their asses,
that the translation did not correspond to the King James Version,
but he was commanded to change it so that it did. His translation
wasn't close to the Book of Mormon quotes, but he was commanded to,
once again, Asswipe!, change it so that it did. I for one, and there
are others, have seen some of the original translation from Chris
that he got from the Urim and Thummim and then had to change to
correspond to the Book of Mormon and the King James Version of the
Bible. I told him it would be great if he would publish how he got it
from the Urim and Thummim, and he said, for now, he couldn't. He
explained, (given now in my words), Asswipes don't deserve that kind
of witness of this work, let em reject it because it's not intended
for asswipes anyway. As for your witnesses, shit Bro. Asswipe, he's
already told you others have seen the plates but were told not to
give their witness unless they wanted to get persecuted and thrown in
a loony bin, didn't ya read these things, Asswipe? Of course you
didn't! You can't bear to have Chris be right that you're an evil
sonofabitch, can ya, Asswipe! I know three people who have seen the
plates, Asswipe, and they are more sound of mind than you, believe
you me. Why do you think I started reading TSP in the first place
when I could care less about religion and the fools who try to
justify that they are not fools by having one. Are they going to
ruin their careers, families and life so that the asswipes of the
world get their big thrills, no they're not, because they don't seek
glory like asswipes do. Admit it, Dewey, Ass, you've met your match
in Nemelka and you can't handle it can you? You want to point out any
argument you can. Well, I've read your arguments, and they are
pitiful, that's why no one who has read TSP will ever give you the
time of day, except for the Johns who once held you in respect and
don't want to admit to themselves and the rest of the world that you
deceived them. They want to convince themselves that what you present
is good, maybe not all, but enough to justify them respecting your
opinion. Remember, Asswipe, if one of the fruits are bad and untrue,
the whole fuc--- tree is corrupt.
You're a Dick, Dewey, and if you keep coming against Chris, I am
going to knock your ass down, Baldy!
Go ahead Alexxxxxxxxxxxxx, moderate me, will ya, if not, I am going
to keep on Dewey Dick and keep him from sounding like he knows what
he's talking about, cause he doesn't. Oh yea Alexxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, you
can do that after you get back from that fantasy planet that you and
Mr. Thioobaduao came from. What an idiot!
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Dewey, The Asswipe
Wow!! Josh... what are you... 15. If this is the kind of " following" Chris and his writings inspire. Heaven
has been made into a hell.
xoticbird
Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
Oh, yea, Eric the bold and idiotic, I am 15. How old are you? What the
hell are you doing here if you haven't read TSP front to back, huh? I
am not one of Chris' followers and he doesn't have any followers,
dickweed, because he won't allow them to follow him. Ironically enough
to prove that you are a dickweed, do you know him? No you do not, so
quit giving your one liners of bullshit that you know nothing about.
I've told everyone that I am not going to celestialville but I know I'm
going to God's kingdom and be where I will be most happiest-----with
all the other 15 year olds that don't want anything to do with dickweed
and asswipe so-called adults. Thanks Father for the different kingdoms.
Glory to God and his mercy on us 15 year olds !!!
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
Yeah... you' re an idiot
xoticbird
Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
Oh, yea, you're the idiot, who responds like a 15 year old idiot to
another 15 year old idiot. Show some balls, dude, what do you know?
Anything. Come on guys, I only have a few more minutes of compter time
and I want to make it enjoyable.
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
NO!!! YOU' RE THE IDIOT
Xoticbird
Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
AM NOT !!!!!!
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
LOL !!!
Xoticbird
Hey Alexxxxxxxxxx!
You're the owner of this group, why don't you just fold the damn
thing,it's useless now. It's called The Sealed Portion, but nobody's
talking about TSP, cause all of EWES left have no idea what TSP says,
EWES just want to fight about something and make comments that might
make others like you or accept EWES. Why don't EWES do something
worthwhile with EWES time? I am going to be here from time to time
until my vacation is over, or Alexxxxxxxxx gets rid of me. I scratch
EWES intellects too much, don't I with my brash 15 year-old attitude.
Ahhhhh, too bad. Believe me, if I wanted to deal with this group with
an intellectual attitude and show forthwith my ability to speak, act,
and write as an adult, I could do so with an experience and expertise
that has garnered me much lucrative success in my chosen profession.
Why bother, though, EWES are Asswipes!
Re: Dewey, The Asswipe
I love fighting with Eric because it comes up as a reply with the
subject being "Dewey, The Asswipe" which penetrates the essence of this
pathetic group of asswipes.
Wow Josh.
Wow what a whack job. Josh you seem obsessed with the anal region and
you give such graphic depictions that it seems they could only come
from "indepth" personal experience.
You must be some wannabe desk jockey contract lawyer or something who
wishes he was Perry Mason and not a very good one at that since you
are so easily duped by Chris. I bet you never tried a case judging
from your ameturish BS rants and lack of simple logic and reason.
So did Chris promise you some of the harem hopefuls who don't make the
cut or what? Or considering your obsession mentioned above perhaps
you are not a threat?
But then perhaps you are content being Chris's lap dog and try to
stroke your insecurities at not measuring up by coming on here and
with you ameturish rants. I have heard 9 year olds that could put your
rants to shame.
There was a time when your actions would have just been dealt with by
going out back and giving you a motivational seminar but judging from
the intelligence level of your posts I doubt even that would make a
difference with you but then you would not be worth the effort anyways.
Jeeze folks don't hire this guy for any legal work you'd probably end
up in jail for spitting on the sidewalk or something.
Blayne
Discernments, agendas & Contentions
It appears Josh is trying to shut the list down by trying to be
outrageous. Perhaps Alex will reconsider and moderate him? He is the
only one here sowing discord.
John Crane in response to JJ's post "Like attracts Like" mentions to
take into consideration folks like Sheri and Kimberly. While they
certainly have been polite and are to be commended for that, they
appear so mesmerized by Chris and his SP that they will hear nothing
that questions it or him and ignore all the glaring inconsistencies
in it and in Chris's actions and condemnations. They seem almost
like zombies repeating a mantra. This is significant because just
being nice does not equal being right.
To all those devoted to Chris like Kimberly and Sheri. The SP may
appear to be some profound new revelation to you, however the
concepts and things that seem new to you have been discussed and
researched for decades on the Internet and elsewhere that's where
Chris got them not where he claims. That is why several of us are
saying there is nothing new; we're not making this up. Oh Chris has
put a bit of a different twist on a couple things but nothing earth
shattering to speak of.
Some of you were just beginning to look out side the box of the LDS
church and were attracted to this. I would encourage you to either go
back to the LDS church and or take a couple years and do some
research and you will see what I am telling you the truth.
Another thing is Chris has whined about us questioning him and gave
that as the reason for starting a new group and locking out any but
unquestioning followers. However in contrast to that he wants to
announce to the world the SP. He doesn't seem very bright in this
respect; does he expect he will get no scrutiny after trying to make
a national announcement etc? Will he run and try and hide from that
scrutiny also? If so he will only embarrass himself more.
It makes no sense for him to try and be so exclusive and avoid hard
questions yet want this to go public on a national scale unless he is
just trying to collect mindless followers. Which it seems quite
obvious he is. If he whom claims to able to confound all can't handle
a little scrutiny on an email list with 35 people how does he expect
to handle it on a national scale? It appears his ego has gotten the
better of him as he certainly was not prepared for little ole us here
questioning him and tucked tail and ran like a scalded dog.
Actually I doubt it will get much more then local coverage if at all
since he has not done the leg work necessary to get this into a
national spotlight. He has failed miserably to handle the simplest
questions. He apparently thought he could just charm everyone into
forgetting about the question and ignoring the glaring holes in it.
It seems to have worked for a couple but I doubt in this day and age
he will get many followers.
He also claims that all previous scripture is now null and void
because the SP is here now. I ask can the tree survive if it is
severed from its roots? Kind of reminds me of the LDS church and the
false teaching that only the living prophets are relevant and all
dead Prophets have no relevance. What happened to test all things?
Kind of reminds me of Jim Harmston. Like him he will fade into
obscurity and we'll get a prediction every once and a while of the
end being near because the world rejected his SP.
Blayne
Meanwhile, back at the ranch…
Uh, gee.. Josh, thanks for letting me know I am not welcome at Lamb
Central. I never applied for acceptance, so I guess it's just as well.
Oh, and Josh, thanks for stopping by while on your vacation. That was
quite a sacrifice, and although not the most gracious display of
concern for us, we know that it's the thought that counts.
John Cee, You said in a post a while back that you saved the files
and links that Chris deleted. Any chance we could have them put back
up? Also, What happened on the Apostle John assignment Chris gave
you? Did it get nixed?
To whomever it may interest,
I have been reading Chris's autobiography and it is very hard for me
to read. I am adamantly not interested in another's sexual experience
or prowess, and have no desire to read about shattered lives and
wrecked homes brought about of a man's rebellion to religious
calling, but have subjected myself to his narration because I felt
like it might help me if I knew about the skeletons in the closet
from his own hand, before they got twisted by the media or his
enemies. Well, to put it mildly, my mind is just blown. I'm only to
chapter 9. My heart is sunk so low because of all the hurting women
who crossed his path, and children he sired along the way, that I'm
barely able to proceed. I can imagine how bereft he must feel looking
back. My joy gets lost on every turn, but I keep thinking it can't
get any worse, and then it does. I am trying not to judge Chris,
because I've never been in his shoes. It's like viewing a War from
the Spirit world and not being able to do anything about it. Chris's
life and choices were not my own yet I am miserable just the same. I
have a three year old son that needs me, and waits for me to bring
him home an odd shaped potato every single day, and I don't always
have one, (because I don't drive a truck or even haul potatoes every
day), but to my great relief, anything will do as a substitute. He's
such a fun little guy. I will miss him when he grows up, like they
all must. I am so spoiled. All my children have the same mother, and
they are all still at home, keeping me from getting senile.
I am wondering how many other Holy Prophets of God had such a mess
for a personal life, before they finally got settled down to
business... apparently it's no big deal... maybe it's just the fact
I'm spanning 20 years in relatively few hours, compared to how long
it took to live. He talks about manipulating those who loved him like
it was his only choice. I have been sorely manipulated by people all
my life, just because they wanted me on their team, and I gave my
loyalty to my Lords, only to realize later that I had been easy prey,
and so by now I have a negative reaction to hints like these. I
vascilate between thinking this is a warning sign from my guides, to
thinking this is a fear tactic from Satan to get me to drop the line
and flee. He has published these things knowing that not everyone
would be able to handle it, just like not everyone will be able to
receive the Book. One is such a contrast to the other, it hardly
seems possible. It's like taking a sip of sweet tea, then a sip of
poison, then another sip of tea, and so on. I just hope it's over
soon, and at this point I don't care if I win.
Harry
Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
Man, Harry, you're a sensitive one, aren't ya? All the same, Chris
contacted me and told me to cease and desist and pleaded that I leave
you guys alone and quit defending him to you. He doesn't need my
defense anyway. Harry, I am not invited into what you call "Lamb
Central" (go figure, Dude!) Before I go,there Bro. Sensitive, ya got
it right for not judging Chris, because I know all the legal
ramifications of what was done to him in his life. Believe me, those
women are NOT THE VICTIMS HERE. Chris has pleaded with them with
open arms and sincerity to work things out for the sake of his kids.
His brother Joe Nemelka, a great family attorney in Salt Lake City
wanted to crucify those women for what they did and are doing to
Chris, and has all the legal "crosses" to do it, but CHRIS WON'T LET
HIM. Should say something shouldn't it. You have no idea who he is or
what he has been through. I read his autobiography I thought he was
WAY TOO gracious to those vindictive bitches, that you know nothing
about. Ask yourself this, Harry Sensitive, did ya read about Brittany
and Joshua Nemelka? Do ya realize, sniffler, that these kids are in
Chris' life to this day and that they were both drug users and
alcoholics without a fu--- hope in this world until Chris intervened
and saved them? You don't know sh--- and I hope none of you get to
know him and that you don't get into "Lamb Central" because if I were
him, I wouldn't let any of you asses in. You're sniffling, mixed-up,
emotional idiots who do more to destroy the human race we all belong
to than help it. Goodbye. This will be my last. (If Chris gets this,
sorry Bud, I couldn't help the last shot.) Josh
Getting it on…
I see that I have made it past April fool's day on accident. I took
too long reading up on Chris's autobiography (finished it finally)
that he has made available for anyone to read.
While I realize it is his side of the story only, I am satisfied that
at least some of his conjecture is probably not, and also he should
avoid LDS dances. It seems that our lives may have crossed many
times, or could have crossed, but didn't, as we have orbited several
of the same areas during the same time periods. It is a story about
life, and the lives of a few humans, that probably wouldn't meet
reading criteria for the Ensign, but probably should. (Well except
for the part where Chris committed suicide, and got sent back... not
sure if parents would appreciate that type of role model as their
kids would probably not get sent back to mortality) It's just that
there are a lot of real life lessons to be considered, and
fortunately some hope is restored towards the end.
I'm not sure how Timothy (Adam Beneli) can be in the right place at
the right time always, and I would have liked to hear more detail
about Spirits Beings or whatever visiting from other planets (in the
Reality Quest NDE part). Also am still not able to fully understand
why Chris wanted to run from the calling. I think even the most
wicked of LDS Church leaders could have or maybe would have humbled
themselves, had they ever started receiving visits from those Angels
and Immortals who have flanked Chris his whole life, or ever received
the U&T (and had it turn on in their hands)and most would have
probably done whatever they had to do to become worthy of the task,
yet they were all (every one of them)passed over. It's suggesting
that God doesn't want us to trust logic, or that logic IS the
stumbling block. This might answer Blayne's query as to why we
shouldn't spend our days trying to submit a workable long term game
plan to solve the mysteries of the Universe.
Chris didn't want the job, and went out of his way to prove it, and
in so doing you would have thought he would have been disqualified,
and if I use my conditioned (logical) mind, he probably would not
have been my pick either, but it's looking like he was Somebody's.
In a closing note, I have to say that I don't want to have to go
through that again. I have seen much agony in my few years on this
planet, as a result of my relationships with members of the Church
who I trusted, but mostly over money, (business dealings) and with
mostly males, (but not exclusively). I had a run in with the law a
short time ago because I spanked someone else's kid, (a 12 year old
living with us), and learned first hand just how corrupt our
crimminal justice sytem really is. Bad idea. My life story is easier
to tell, but there are more chapters. I've lived and died a 1000
deaths.
I must be destined to a genderless existence, because I have always
viewed sex as something problematical under all conditions save one.
I married late, and doubt that I would ever re-marry if I found
myself not hitched, because I also happen to think women are
problematical... as Chris has kindly pointed out.
Harry
The Real Chris
Joshua Farnsworth is really Chris Nemelka.
It is as I said, like attracts like.
JJ Dewey (post 948 April 2,2005)
Re: The Real Chris
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, J J Dewey wrote:
>
> Joshua Farnsworth is really Chris Nemelka.
>
> It is as I said, like attracts like.
Thats funny I was thinking the same thing and almost made a post to
that effect earlier but got sidetracked. It seems a little to
convenient when "josh" shows up almost as if on que"
BlayneRe: Getting it on...
Harry writes:
It's suggesting that God doesn't want us to trust logic, or that logic
IS the stumbling block.
Blayne responds:
Does this seem correct to you? Are we created in Gods image or not?
If we use logic and reason then it stands to "logic and reason" that
God does too. While God understands things we don't he uses pure logic
by having a deeper understanding of things of the universe that we
have only a rudimentary understanding of. Much like we with our
children. Do our children think that their logic is bad because we
have a better understanding? No and neither do we teach them that, we
in fact teach them to use logic so they can get better at it and
eventually have the same understanding of things we do. How much more
so with God and us then?
Where does this notion come from that God is outside of logic? Logic
is the first test of truth. If it can't stand up to logic chances are
good it won't stand up period. There is no magic formula that
violates this principle. Beastly religious leaders have been using
this BS idea for centuries to get people to ignore that the emperor
has no clothes. We see it here with folks like Kimberly and Sheri who
keep telling us if we just all sing kumbaya and have a group hug all
the glaring holes in Chris's story will magically disappear.
Harry
This might answer Blayne's query as to why we
shouldn't spend our days trying to submit a workable long term game
plan to solve the mysteries of the Universe.
Blayne
I never made such a query. What I said was we need to prepare for the
return of Christ but not by using the failed plans of the past. What I
meant was discovering the correct plan and not in haste. There already
is a long-term plan but it is not static it adapts based on our free
will choices however the goal remains the same. Much like building a
house you draw up the plans but it rarely goes strictly according to
plan so you adapt to meet the goal. God knows the beginning from the
end it is the in-between that is up for grabs so to speak because of
our freewill. And he gently nudges us toward his purpose and goal
without violating our freewill
Harry
Chris didn't want the job, and went out of his way to prove it, and
in so doing you would have thought he would have been disqualified,
and if I use my conditioned (logical) mind, he probably would not
have been my pick either, but it's looking like he was Somebody's.
Blayne
This is another reason why I know Chris's claim is false. God does not
violate ones free will and he will not force one onto a calling or
mission. Just as Joseph was told if he didn't take his calling another
would be chosen. Chris uses this to justify his behaviors and distract
from holes in his claims. The scriputures teach us whose plan it was
to use force.
Usually when people ignore obvious problems and issues in situations
like this with Chris it is because of fear of losing ones salvation.
What if I am missing the boat etc. they think, their just not sure so
there is this internal war. I know I have gone through it myself a
number of times and I can see it in you now Harry.
The solution is to seek the kingdom within as the scripture teach and
know where the true power and authority lies then this fear is
vanquished and one is no longer tossed about by every wind of doctrine
false claim etc. When you tap into that repository of all truth you
have the means to verify all claims etc. Now this does not mean you
know all things but you have found the universal library of all truth,
but just because one has access to the library does not mean one has
read all the books, this takes time of course. However you can verify
all claims and have an inner calmness and knowing that you are not
risking your salvation on something your not sure of just because of
honest inquiry.
This why some of us are not phased by Chris's threats and
condemnations. You may not realize it but his threats and
condemnations were more to manipulate you and others into fearing
losing their salvation if you questioned him and his claims then to
scare us.
As I have said before Truth and light do not fear scrutiny nor does it
violate free agency nor does it hide in secrecy but it travels
straight down the middle of the road in the noonday sun! You know this
is true in your heart and that Chris's claims do not measure up to
that standard. Search your souls and use your God given logic and reason.
Blayne
Getting it together
Hello Blayne,
This is a reasonable post that helps me understand you better.
> Harry writes:
> It's suggesting that God doesn't want us to trust logic, or that
logic
> IS the stumbling block.
I didn't say that God does not know, use, or understand logic, or
that he is outside of it... as you will notice.
> Blayne responds:
> Does this seem correct to you? Are we created in Gods image or not?
> If we use logic and reason then it stands to "logic and reason"
that
> God does too. While God understands things we don't he uses pure
logic
> by having a deeper understanding of things of the universe that we
> have only a rudimentary understanding of. Much like we with our
> children. Do our children think that their logic is bad because we
> have a better understanding? No and neither do we teach them that,
we
> in fact teach them to use logic so they can get better at it and
> eventually have the same understanding of things we do. How much
more
> so with God and us then?
>
> Where does this notion come from that God is outside of logic? Logic
> is the first test of truth. If it can't stand up to logic chances
are
> good it won't stand up period. There is no magic formula that
> violates this principle. Beastly religious leaders have been using
> this BS idea for centuries to get people to ignore that the emperor
> has no clothes. We see it here with folks like Kimberly and Sheri
who
> keep telling us if we just all sing kumbaya and have a group hug all
> the glaring holes in Chris's story will magically disappear.
The holes in Chris's story will take some time to fill in, just like
the Story of this Universe will take some time to fill in. We have
the time, (as you admit), and we have the resources, (logically
speaking) and we have the free will to examine this case or not,
(which you say you are not interested in doing) For this reason, you
shouldn't expect the holes in Chris's story to disappear any time
soon.
> Harry
> This might answer Blayne's query as to why we
> shouldn't spend our days trying to submit a workable long term game
> plan to solve the mysteries of the Universe.
I should not have pretended to understand your line of rhetoric, or
that you even have a query beyond the wonderings of why anybody here
or anywhere is even looking at this case, when there are so many more
logical (better) cases out there , (or in there) to invest one's time
on (in). I apologise.
> Blayne
> I never made such a query. What I said was we need to prepare for
the
> return of Christ but not by using the failed plans of the past.
What I
> meant was discovering the correct plan and not in haste. There
already
> is a long-term plan but it is not static it adapts based on our free
> will choices however the goal remains the same. Much like building a
> house you draw up the plans but it rarely goes strictly according to
> plan so you adapt to meet the goal. God knows the beginning from the
> end it is the in-between that is up for grabs so to speak because of
> our freewill. And he gently nudges us toward his purpose and goal
> without violating our freewill
The Plan of Salvation was drawn up a long time ago, and according to
the internal workings and as suggested by scriptures, we, (yourself
included) already agreed to it. You seem to be on a path that is
headed the right way for you. You should be happy that at least you
know what you want. Not everybody does.
>
>
> Harry
> Chris didn't want the job, and went out of his way to prove it, and
> in so doing you would have thought he would have been disqualified,
> and if I use my conditioned (logical) mind, he probably would not
> have been my pick either, but it's looking like he was Somebody's.
>
> Blayne
> This is another reason why I know Chris's claim is false. God does
not
> violate ones free will and he will not force one onto a calling or
> mission. Just as Joseph was told if he didn't take his calling
another
> would be chosen. Chris uses this to justify his behaviors and
distract
> from holes in his claims. The scriputures teach us whose plan it was
> to use force.
I think Chris accepted his calling, just like Christ accepted HIs
calling, and just like you accepted your calling, before you were
born of the flesh. Maybe you are like me in that you don't know why
some get to have it made known to them what exactly they agreed to
before this life, while we are left to discover ours on our own.
>
> Usually when people ignore obvious problems and issues in situations
> like this with Chris it is because of fear of losing ones salvation.
> What if I am missing the boat etc. they think, their just not sure
so
> there is this internal war. I know I have gone through it myself a
> number of times and I can see it in you now Harry.
>
> The solution is to seek the kingdom within as the scripture teach
and
> know where the true power and authority lies then this fear is
> vanquished and one is no longer tossed about by every wind of
doctrine
> false claim etc. When you tap into that repository of all truth you
> have the means to verify all claims etc. Now this does not mean you
> know all things but you have found the universal library of all
truth,
> but just because one has access to the library does not mean one has
> read all the books, this takes time of course. However you can
verify
> all claims and have an inner calmness and knowing that you are not
> risking your salvation on something your not sure of just because of
> honest inquiry.
>
> This why some of us are not phased by Chris's threats and
> condemnations. You may not realize it but his threats and
> condemnations were more to manipulate you and others into fearing
> losing their salvation if you questioned him and his claims then to
> scare us.
>
> As I have said before Truth and light do not fear scrutiny nor does
it
> violate free agency nor does it hide in secrecy but it travels
> straight down the middle of the road in the noonday sun! You know
this
> is true in your heart and that Chris's claims do not measure up to
> that standard. Search your souls and use your God given logic and
reason.
It takes some doing, but when I look at Chris's story, I see so many
of us, and I see that God has not abandoned anyone. It was something
I had forgotten somehow.
One piece of my God given logic is that God probably gets a kick out
of getting his campfire of wet green wood to flame, while ther are
plenty of cords of dry kindling laying eveywhere.
I have to go build some fence this weekend,
So I won't be around to chat. Hopefully Sunday night I'll be back.
Will have to see.
Harry
Re: Getting it together
Harry writes:
The holes in Chris's story will take some time to fill in, just like
the Story of this Universe will take some time to fill in. We have
the time, (as you admit), and we have the resources, (logically
speaking) and we have the free will to examine this case or not,
(which you say you are not interested in doing) For this reason, you
shouldn't expect the holes in Chris's story to disappear any time
soon.
Blayne
I have examined this case and found it wanting. Perhaps you could
explain a few of the holes you noticed at the onset and how they
disappeard for you later? As I have said before one does not need to
drink the entire bottle of wine to get the taste of it. Reason logic
intuition and the spirit have all confirmed I need not waste further
time reading every single word Christ wrote. That is why the
scriptures teach to seek the kingdom within.
Harry
The Plan of Salvation was drawn up a long time ago, and according to
the internal workings and as suggested by scriptures, we, (yourself
included) already agreed to it. You seem to be on a path that is
headed the right way for you. You should be happy that at least you
know what you want. Not everybody does.
Blayne
Perhaps so but again the plan included our free will and the
flexibility to adjust so as not to violate that free will. It really
is up to us or there would be no need to even come here. God will not
force us into anything.
Harry
I think Chris accepted his calling, just like Christ accepted His
calling, and just like you accepted your calling, before you were
born of the flesh. Maybe you are like me in that you don't know why
some get to have it made known to them what exactly they agreed to
before this life, while we are left to discover ours on our own.
Blayne
Maybe so however we still have free will to accept or reject whether
we will fulfill our agreements. It is not as black and white as you
think. The part of us that may have agreed to tread a certain path
before we came here has been added to by coming here therefore has
freewill to chose to follow that path or not, that was part of the
agreement also. Chris's story plays on the fears and uncertainties of
those who have yet to significantly tap into the Kingdom or Spirit within.
I have much work to do also I am finishing up a hardwood floor this
weekend that I have been working on for the past several weekends and
if it remains warm enough will soon pick up where I left off on a
block and river rock wall I started last summer but had to stop
because of the onset of winter.
[TheSealedPortion] Re: The Real Chris
JJ wrote:
Joshua Farnsworth is really Chris Nemelka.
It is as I said, like attracts like.
John Z responds:
Whhhaaaaaat????
You know this because .... ???
JJ
The words just came into my mind as I awakened from sleep that
"Joshua is Chris."
As soon as this happened I almost slapped myself on the side of the
head thinking that I should have seen this before. There are many
things that indicate that this is the Mr. Hyde side of Chris.
(1) Joshua claims to be a telestial person and is happy with that.
This is not believable. No one wants to spend eternity in the
telestial kingdom when the celestial is available.
(2) He is not invited into the inner circle but defends Chris adamantly.
Most people would be offended and need stroked, especially a telestial person.
(3) Take away the swear words and he has the same writing style as Chris.
(4) He attacks those who question the Sealed Portion, just as Chris
does, with the same background knowledge as Chris, but as Chris would
if he didn't care about being Mr. Nice guy.
(5) Since the name Chris is derived from Christ it's only natural he
would select Joshua, the Hebrew for Jesus, as a pen name.
I think that anyone here who is considering following this guy should
closely examine the posts of Joshua Farnsworth and ask themselves,
"Is this the type of person i want as my leader or even a distant
associate???
Chris will probably not admit that he is Joshua, but he did say that
he hasn't told a lie since leaving jail and doesn't intend to lie
again. Maybe he doesn't consider playing Joshua a lie so someone
might want to ask him a very specific question such as:
Chris, did you write the posts attributed to Joshua Farnsworth?
Did you write the following to Mr. Dewey?
>Okay, Asswipe,
>
>What's the difference between me calling you an "asswipe" and you
>using your golden tongue bullshit to call Christopher Nemelka the
>same thing? You're insinuating it with your innuendo. The only
>reason I'd come over to your group is if I ran out of toliet paper
>and needed something to wipe my own ass with, I'd print out all of
>your conversations and use them for the only thing that would do
>anyone any good. Okay, asswipe?
I would be surprised to get the truth even with a specific question,
but you never know.
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Real Chris
My Dear Brother Dewey
For the record --- I have known Christopher longer than anyone in/on this discussion board. Bottomline --
Christopher is not, never was, nor shall he ever be -- Joshua. THUS SAYETH THE LORD! My friend, I
(and I don't say often) judge you now with a righteous brotherly judgment of love. It was not a "friendly"
spirit that put such thoughts into your mind. Seemingly so perhaps --- but not THE SPIRIT or a
FRIENDLY SPIRIT, but a contentious spirit. I know for a fact that Christopher is not Joshua. This and
other thoughts have been planted into your grand mind by other spirits, or you conjured up these thoughts
within youir own mind. Christopher and I have spent many ions of time talking of many things, and many
of the selective verbaige of this Joshua F. is simply not even in Christopher's vocabulary. He would never,
ever refer to one or his brothers or sisters as "asswipe", never, ever, worlds without end. He may use a
few others choice words, but never this, for in doing so is greatly offensive to The Spirit, All Heavenly
Righteous above the earths and worlds without end. This is truly an offensive term to our Heavenly
Father and Parents above, for its direct reference to that which wipeth and is then flushed as discard ---
FOR WE ARE ALL OF INFINITE WORTH AND VALUE ---- EVEN WENTWORTH KNEW THIS!!!
Further, and for the eternal record, Christopher is one of the most kind, humble and loving characters I
have ever know, and was once in fact to help me from the streets and stress of homelessness. He gave
up his cozy big room and queen bed (for me and my comfort) and then retired to sleep on a cold (in the
winter) and hot (in the summer) patio, on the floor on a paper thin matress ---- WITH NARY A
COMPLAINT, BUT WITH GLADNESS IN HIS HEART AND SOUL -- TO HELP A WAYWARD BROTHER
IN NEED. This he did for not 1, not 2, not 3 but for 9 month, plus paying for my move, storage of personal
belongings and for the providing of food, drink, communications and transportions. What did he expect
from me -- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. These are the "fruits" of a good and true servant of the Lord.
A) Admittedly, sure, Christopher has a very intelligent, and sure, maybe even a "complex" mind. But
rarely does he go into the "Jykell". Rather he suffers greatly because most of us just "don't get it" most of
the time. To "get it" one must become broken hearted and have a contrite spirit, and become humble and
teachable like a child --- Then LISTEN to the good spirits and Spirit of the Holy Ghost, study the Book of
Mormon and the Bible. All we need is within these 3 Sacred and Living Elements. Its really that simple --
- I HAVE PROVED IT, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, OVER AND OVER some 27 years now.
1) Whether they (any soul upon or above the earth) chooses to be Tele, Terre, or Cele is simple an
"eternal lifestyle choice". I know the requirements of one Celestial -- and few there be ---- why, well
because we chose/choose to squander lifes precious time on silliness, and/or we are far to selfish to ever,
ever qualify ourselves for the Celestial Eternity for Service --- literally ZERO ME TIME. 0-Me-Time is not
so easily. Its An Eternity of Selflessness --- Thereto I ask you -- WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT THAT?
Most of us can barely put in an 8 hour/4 day week of service without complaining, RIGHT?
1a) Lets try being a full time care-giver. Then come home to a house full of kids and serve them. Help
with the homework, off to bed --- then arise and start over again -- FOR ETERNITY. I am a pretty good
soul, better and more service oriented than most, as my frineds can and one day will attest -- but I am
concluding that I too may not be celestial, but time will tell. For now FULLTIME SELFLESS SERVICE
CONTINUES TO CHALLENGE ME as therein I continue to discover more and more of my own selfish
wants, wishes, needs and desires.
2) Joshua is either an ornry Scottsman or another Joshua I know who exhibits such abase candor and
may yet have a few chips on his broad sword weilding shoulders that need a wee bit of polishing....... Let
him be for he burneth to much of your daylight. Nuff Said!!!
2a) Word of sound advise here: You know when you said "I almost slapped myself upside the head".
Stop thinking about it, Brother, just DO IT. Then practice the Gospel and allow that man (the carnal man
in you) to gently "turn the other cheek" and slappeth thyself yet again, on thine other cheek!!!. Just do it --
- then maybe you will be ready to hear and see and learn more of the WORD OF GOD. Do it and see
what the spirits say then. Listen closely, for they may humor you. From one who knows......for I have
wallup'd myself a good many years. Yes, I too have to learn the hard-way sometimes. By the way --
most true and heartful folks know whether they be Telestial or not. Sure many are ignorant and deceived,
but when ones openly admits they are Tele --- its not a crime -- just pure honesty. To Be Tele -- is not a
crime, nor a sin -- we knew who and what we were before we got picked up!!! We're just here to prove it
to ourselves and witnesses.
3-4 Lets just say that I have rare insight -- and it would be impossible for Chris to be this body-double as
you see it --- IMPOSSIBLE. I track not all, but many of his moves. This can also be proved forensicly ---
and not even Christopher can be in 2-Remote Locations at the same time. He's good, he is talented, but
not Omnicient. CASE CLOSED!!! Now lets get up on this new Sunday morning and practice the pure,
true, simple gospel of our good brother Jesus. That's the good stuff......
5) Also again, for The Record. Chris would never select the "pen name" of Joshua. Perhaps there be
one who shall come after him, but his name is and always shall be Christopher. I know for fact that he did
not want his name associated with this great, vital work. He tried to detach his name many times -- but
has been denied thrice. He shall not ask again. Both the blessings and the persecutions have been, are
and shall forever be his -- IT IS HIS CALLING! It is his faith that has, is and shall continue to be tested
and his patience tried. The Best and The Worst is yet to come, but the true, the humble, the valiant and
the pure are hearing the voice of our Good Shepherd, and joining the rank --- some at great cost and
sacrafice.
**Brother Dewey. I am sorry that you, like the Jews of old, and their selfsame spirits today, have
LOOKED BEYOND THE MARK, My hearts prayer and souls desire is that the GOOD, TRUE AND
FAITHFUL SPIRIT, ANGELS AND SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT will surround you round
about, as if it were by fire ---- THAT YE TOO MAY SEE, AND FEEL, AND KNOW. IT HAS BEEN
WRITTEN, LET IT BE SO!
Joshua, and we all, have a very, very long way to go, even on the path of telestial living, as, ALL MUST
GET ALONG IN LOVE AND HARMONY --- unless one desires that his/her spirit is ultimately
disseminated. To exist not --- is not to exist --- worlds without end.
In closing of this post --- I dedicate this writing, not only these words and thoughts, but also the faithful
prayer of love in my heart, and do so with special thanks to Jodi for her wise and loving thoughts as
posted a few days hence. Said in the Spirit of Love -- Truly what our world needs more of.
God Bless you all, and in the name of Jesus Christ our Faithful Lord of Endless Love.
Caribbeant, aka Anthony Lee
P.S. A prophet is not always called to be a "leader" nor is always qualified to be a good "leader".
Sometimes howver they "lead" by DEFAULT. Chris does not want to be a leader, but some and one day
many, may put him up to become a leader. Remember this. Its not always the leader "who gets things
done -- THE GOOD THINGS......Its the faithful servants -- THE DOERS OF THE WORD!!!
NOTICE: The font style and color changed in the same post from Tony
Wilkerson as follows:
WHO AMONG US ARE "DOERS" OF THE WORD?
Doers of the WORK!!! i.e. practicioners of the Words of Christ...........
This I know --- If Chris ever began a sentence with, "Okay Asswipe" and
published the same, in writ or verb, he would be immediately consumed by
darkness and The Spirit would withdraw from him. This would be his first
problem and lashing. His second, and worse condemnation would be the
Wrath of This Lion -- For I would tread upon him with a trashing that he would
not soon forget --- in exercise of my Free-Agency in defense of a child and the
children of The God of Israel. And, I would nary lay a finger or hand upon
him. The words of the Lord, through me, would cut him deeply, into the tender
and fleshy parts of his big, red heart for beside my crown you will also find
a very sharply chiseled scottish broadsword. In fact a pair, otherwise known
as THE WORDS OF OUR LIVING AND ALMIGHTY GOD. Wield These
Swords and it will be well for us all.
Finally -- Christopher has never said -- "come follow me" or "make of me thy
leader". He is a teacher and a confounder. He exorts all to "come follow
Christ" and "let the Spirit be your guide". However, he may surely have keys
to a not to distant promise land...........under the wings of The Holy One of
Israel, under whose wings will be the only safe place in The Latter Days as
written by The Prophet Nephi.
Anthony
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Real Chris
>My Dear Brother Dewey
>
>For the record --- I have known Christopher longer than anyone in/on
>this discussion board. Bottomline -- Christopher is not, never was,
>nor shall he ever be -- Joshua. THUS SAYETH THE LORD! My friend, I
>(and I don't say often) judge you now with a righteous brotherly
>judgment of love. It was not a "friendly" spirit that put such
>thoughts into your mind.
Before you stick your neck out and speak in the name of the Lord you
ought to look him in the eye and ask him the questions I posed.
JJ
Re: The Real Chris
I have to chuckle at the great lengths some folks here go to tell us
what a great guy Chris is. Unfortunately Chris's actions of threats of
eternal damnation, condemnation, issuing wild challenges then running
and hiding, claiming to be able to confound all only to avoid
questioning etc. etc. simply render such proclamations as this
completely non credible and frankly laughable.
It is frankly amazing that anyone including those claiming to be his
closest friends have fallen for any of this BS. In fact I wouldn't be
surprised if this particular post was just another persona Chris has
created as it sure reads like his posts. As the saying goes actions
speak much louder then words and Chris's actions betray his true
unsavory character.
Blayne
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Real Chris
Brother Dewey
Better yet still. This is your claim and revelation, so perhaps you should arrange a sit-down with "Joshua
F" (I will gladly attend such a pow-wow) and look into his eyes --- only to discover the twain are not the
same. Then you will see that through this thing, you've just burned a lot of our daylight --- and will confirm
that you are mingling with conspiring spirits. On the flip-side --- if you are then looking into the eyes of my
friend, Christopher, I will re-arrange my schedule for the tar and feathering ceremony!!! Good Luck --
Keep Me Posted.......
Anthony
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Real Chris
>Brother Dewey
>Better yet still. This is your claim and revelation, so perhaps you
>should arrange a sit-down with "Joshua F" (I will gladly attend such
>a pow-wow) and look into his eyes --- only to discover the twain are
>not the same. Then you will see that through this thing, you've
>just burned a lot of our daylight --- and will confirm that you are
>mingling with conspiring spirits. On the flip-side --- if you are
>then looking into the eyes of my friend, Christopher, I will
>re-arrange my schedule for the tar and feathering ceremony!!! Good
>Luck -- Keep Me Posted.......
>
>Anthony
>
JJ
I have no claim to infallibility as do most false teachers nor do I
make any claims for myself. I have always warned readers that
everything I say could be wrong and to check everything out for
themselves with the Spirit. If you find something I have done or
said incorrectly I will accept and move on. Nothing is diminished.
That said, I am 99% sure that Joshua is Chris. The message I
received and reflection afterwards made me 90% sure and the research
I did afterwards made me 99% sure. I could show the group here some
hard evidence that would convince all but the Kool aide drinkers.
I have no desire to meet any of you but you can prove me wrong and
furnish contact identification for Joshua so we know he is real.
Since he is an attorney who works in Salt Lake all we need is the
phone number of his firm so we can call him up and ask him if he is
the one who calls me obscenities.
This, of course, will not happen.
Re: The Real Chris
I have also noticed that the only ones who call Chris, Christopher or
Chrisopher Nemalka are Josh, Chris himself, and now Tony. Notice how
all their writing styles are very similar. I'd say its a pretty good
bet Tony is also Chris N.
Blayne
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Real Chris
Blayne
How much coin did you put on the barrel-head that I (Tony) was/am Chris. Whatever the amount (you
just lost it Bro.).....but no need to send it to me, rather, please give to the poor in your local community in
my behalf. Thanks Bro. As far as proof of identity -- feel free to post a mailing address and I will gladly
mail you a cc of my passe-porte (it having been certified in USA and FOREIGN LANDS). As far as writing
style -- a warmly received compliment. Thanks. Anthony/Tony
Re: The Real Chris
You can email me a copy of your passport through the board here. Just
click on the arrow key above and select my email address, much easier
and faster and we can resolve this by tommorrrow. ;)
Blayne
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Real Chris
Blayne
Good idea, however I do not have a scanner. Sorry. Will gladly do by mail, or by fax. Thanks.
Anthony/Tony (Passport name Tony L. Wilkerson)
Re: The Real Chris
Well I am not going to give out my address or phone number over the
internet to someone I don't know. Find a friend with a scanner or go
to an office supply place like Staples or Office Depo and they will
scan it for you. You made the offer to prove you are not Chris it is
up to you to fullfill it.
Blayne
All in all…
JJ will be waiting for the real Sealed Portion to come along with at
least three impressive witnesses, long after it becomes obvious to him
that Chris is not Josh. The spirit of reasoning owns JJ as much as ever.
I'm betting Blayne won't budge until JJ does...
but that probably doesn't mean a thing in the grand scheme of things.
Using my own type of logic, it could all happen rather suddenly...
Interesting that JJ says he doesn't claim that he's 100% right all the
time, so he thinks his position as a teacher is better than Chris's,
who by the way, never says he might be wrong about something.
JJ won't admit that he never saw or spoke to John the Bee, and Chris
not only says he did, but he goes on to offer never before insights to
John's character and personality, which JJ himself doesn't challenge.
Kim will keep bearing her soul, and the boys will keep demanding for
more examples of her joy, and then remain unmoved. She says she comes
here to help them, they don't say they come here to help her but maybe
they do, neither side budges, except for the soft side, which moves
away from the hard side, which the hard side suggests is indicative of
something lacking...
Josh says he is not caring, but he is...
John Cee and John Zee and Alex have grown since I've been here, which
is all that anybody could hope for.
I have my own demons on and off this message board, but it's the SP
that calms the seas for me. I only wish I had it earlier in my life,
which of course, was not possible.
Right now, I'm doing the same thing I was doing the night Chris was to
meet the men on the boat (SP 21:14), I'm looking that way, wondering
what will happen next.
All in all, there is a reason why those who pass this way do, and it
might be for the same reason, regardless of what all the words say.
Harry
Re: [TheSealedPortion] (unknown)
John Crane writes on the inner list:
"This ploy by JJ is way beneath him. I am PROFOUNDLY disappointed in
him.
"Thanks for letting me in the group. I think everybody has been
rooting for me, and I have been interacting with most of them, as you
can see."
JJ
So Chris finally let you squeak in. What did you have to do, sell
your soul and agree with him that I am the bad guy?
My brother, I do not use ploys. I sincerely believe that Chris is
Joshua. As I said, my analytical mind sees perhaps a 1% chance I
could be wrong, but with this much personal evidence I have never
been wrong before.
You will recall the last group that attacked me, and you assisted,
that you wound up with egg on your face. I assure you that this will
be the case this time around. The only trouble is that you are
getting in so deep with Chris that you are likely to hide for the
rest of your life when you find out the truth.
Chris says that Joshua will appear with him at the news conference.
Let me make a prediction. There will be no evidence produced that
the real Joshua is at the news conference.
We will, however, have Chris' word that he was there. Who knows,
maybe he'll pay some passerby twenty bucks to say he is Joshua.
The simple concrete solution is to give me the number of Joshua's
firm so I can call him and talk to him.
If he's worried about being connected with the Sealed Portion then he
should not appear at the press conference at all for if anyone takes
a picture he can be identified and the General Authorities he claims
to represent will find out.
Maybe he'll wear a hood.
Meanwhile, Chris has still not denied writing the posts attributed to
Joshua. He will only do this if he has to for even he does not like
to tell a blatant untruth.
Re: The real Chris
"As I said, my analytical mind sees perhaps a 1% chance I
could be wrong, but with this much personal evidence I have never
been wrong before."
I love it when people talk of their "evidence". Hopefully you will
bring it along to the press conference so I can hear of the only person
on earth who has "never been wrong before."
I have 40 years of "personal evidence" about/with Chris, you've aquired
yours in how many days?
Your wearing a hood comment was uncalled for. (Not suggesting KKK
involvment are you?) I've noticed that Joshua has not posted for
awhile, could it be that Chris has asked him to stop???
Goading Chris with your words will not effect Christopher in any way, I
I have never seen him as at peace with himself as he is today. (oh no!
I have called him Chris and Christopher in the same sentence! I must be
Chris, posing as me, posing as Joshua!) I mostly just read the posts
for the humor.
Alesa Forrest (the prophet’s sister by birth)
Re: [TheSealedPortion] who's behind door #1?
a4st90 Writes:
>"As I said, my analytical mind sees perhaps a 1% chance I
>could be wrong, but with this much personal evidence I have never
>been wrong before."
>
>
>I love it when people talk of their "evidence". Hopefully you will
>bring it along to the press conference so I can hear of the only person
>on earth who has "never been wrong before."
JJ
Talk about twisting my words. I never said I have never been wrong
before. I've been wrong many times. I said:
"but with this much personal evidence I have never
been wrong before."
a4st90
>
>I have 40 years of "personal evidence" about/with Chris, you've aquired
>yours in how many days?
JJ
So, in 40 years have you met Joshua? After all he is such a good
friend of Chris' that he had him "monitor" the group when he was away.
Sometimes a deception can be seen in a day by one and not seen in 100
years by another.
a4st90
>
>Your wearing a hood comment was uncalled for. (Not suggesting KKK
>involvment are you?) I've noticed that Joshua has not posted for
>awhile, could it be that Chris has asked him to stop???
JJ
Chris said he asked him to stop. The meaning of the hood was obvious
and has nothing to do with the KKK or anything sinister. Joshua (if
he were to exist) does not want the general authorities to discover
his real identity so a hood or some disguise would be in order if he
attended the press conference.
What is it with all of Chris' friends that they want to hide their
identity? I notice all you give out is a4st90 with no name or any
information about yourself on yahoo? Why don't you tell us your real
name as I have done, or are you one of those who are afraid of
getting excommunicated from the LDS church on one hand while calling
it evil on the other?
Chris Claims Enemies Scattered LOL!!
Blayne:
As light does not fear darkness take note how when the light was
shined on him Chris scurried away like a cockroach. Since Chris has
ran and hid from those whom would shine the light on his doings so he
can tell his lies without being directly confronted as cowards do. So
I thought I would answer some of his commentary here since he does not
have the courage to face the light directly.
Chris writes:
Many of you who have followed the constant diatribes and philosophies
of men mingled with scripture on the other discussion group have
wondered what is "Christopher" to do with the challenges of some of
these men.
What challenges?
My ego, because of the "keys" given to me, caused the Spirit to
withdraw from me until I found the proper perspective to deal with the
enemies of this work. How am I supposed to "deal" with them? Not
deal with them, because it does no good.
Unfortunately, and it was a burden to my soul, I had to go back and
read the posts and see what "damage" Joshua F. and Tony had done to my
reputation and name, as it was beginning to seem as if I were them
because we sometimes post on the same computer. Of course, those who
know me, Tony, and "Joshua" were never swayed by the accusations, but
these men had good cause to believe it for themselves not
understanding the relationship between the three of us.
Blayne:
Notice how Chris takes no responsibility for his own actions of
condemnations, name-calling, and damning anyone to hell for daring to
question him. But blames it all on Josh and Tony for hurting his
reputation if they even exist. Sorry Chris you ruined your own
reputation yourself from the get go and your alias Josh only further
illustrated your character.
It's a nice ploy; people come asking honest questions get condemned to
hell as servants of Lucifer and then when they defend themselves get
labeled as enemies of the work of God blah blah. But it won't work on
many thank goodness.
Chris:
Nevertheless, as I reviewed the posts, which were many and a constant
barrage of diatribe that taught no one anything, I noticed the
innuendo challenges given to The Sealed Portion. There are those who
say The Sealed Portion gives not new light or understanding but
rehashes things that others have already rehashed time and time again.
For those of us who have "actually" read The Sealed Portion, we are
amazed at such blatant inaccurate allegations, but realize no matter
what we might say, we would never convince an enemy to this work.
Blayne:
I don't think I have heard more excuses from an individual or group
since I have been on this list. How ridiculous; yeah right they don't
answer questions because we would never be convinced, sigh! They
never even gave anyone a chance by even trying to answer a few
questions. Everyone that asked questions got jumped for even asking.
Which immediately raised the red flags. And of course gave you an
opportunity to create a bunch of fake enemies so you could cry; see
look at all the persecution woe is me persecuted blah blah….
Chris
If Joseph, Moroni, and Mohonri themselves stood before these men with
plates in hand and me at their side as a witness of this work, these
men would assume that somehow I found three handsome actors in their
early thirties, who somehow seemed reasonably perfect and serene in
their natures and appearance to carry on what they perceive as a
deception.
Blayne:
LOL! I have to chuckle how your followers fall for this crap. First
off If I were visited by these men I would first question/test them
just as I do all who make claims, for how would I know they are whom
they claim to be? People think there is some magical knowing etc. when
the scripture teach us to try all the spirit whether they are from God
or not. If I were somehow convinced they were who they claimed they
were I would be more apt to listen. God is no respecter of persons So
I do not fear being condemned to hell for making a mistake or not
having knowledge of someone or thing.
Really though the audacity of you to presume you know how anyone for
that matter would react in any given situation would be laughable of
you didn't have a few gullible sheep who believe this crap.
Chris:
This is the work of the Father, not the work of men. No man or woman
will ever convince another of the truthfulness of this work anymore
than the words of Jesus Christ, the greatest teacher of all, convinced
or affected the Jews of his day. A testimony of these things can only
come from God.
Blayne
Most of these people have little clue who and what God is much less
what it means to have a testimony of something from God. Having a
true testimony means having proven something out as true through the
holy trinity of reason, logic, the spirit, not getting some warm fuzzy
feeling and assuming that means its true.
Chris
Josh F. asked me as we traveled what was the one thing that would
confound the others in their inability to find a reference to in the
works of men. I told him "time, times, and half of time" and the
explanation of the "man" and "his number 666". He offered the
challenge which went unmet by our enemies.
Blayne:
Well there is a falsehood right there, Josh never issued any
challenge, much less did any challenge go unmet except by you and they
were your own challenges. How ironic the guy who issued several bold
challenges and threats sits now from his hiding place and accuses
those whom he ran from of not meeting some challenge LOL! This just
gets more and more comical all the time.
The only person who mentioned "time, times, and half of time" was Alex
and not in a challenge but only offered on a list of things he thought
were new but he did not give the alleged SP interpretation of it. So I
could not tell him if it was new or not. If anyone would like to offer
the alleged SP's interpretation of it I would be happy to respond to it.
Chris
Sure much has been written concerning "666" but nothing so
compelling, so easy to understand, and so "right on" as what is
"unfolded" in The Sealed Portion.
Blayne
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. There are dozens of
interpretations of those passages. Which one people believe all or
none is of course up to them
Chris:
And "Times, Time, and Half of time"? Religious pundits and scholars
haven't dared broach this revelation and attempt to give an
understanding of what John and Daniel meant when they both used the
"exact" same reference in their revelations.
Blayne
Hilarious. You just got through saying yourself that much has been
written concerning them then the next breath you say religious
scholars have not dared broach it LOL! So which is it?
I just did a Google search and brought up a dozen hits:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22time%2C+times%2C+and+half+of+time%22&btn\
G=Google+Search
Chris
Of course, the enemies scatter when this topic is discussed, because
they do not have a clue.
Blayne
This it so ridiculous there is nothing to do but laugh! Here I am
hardly what I would call scattering wouldn't you agree. Where are you?
Hiding in your little private group! Oh the irony of the guy who fled
when he realized we would don't back down from his challenges claiming
his enemies have scattered LOL
Chris
There are countless "revelations of Jesus Christ" that have been
unfolded in The Sealed Portion that haven't ever been understood
before. All of the revelations of Jesus Christ are given in the Holy
Scriptures that have been given, but they are "folded" and
misunderstood by the wicked who have access to them. The Sealed
Portion is not meant for those who "believe" they know the revelations
of Christ, it is meant for those who did not understand these
revelations because they were "folded", and these people have been
looking forth for them to be "unfolded" as was prophesied.
Blayne
Here is a perfect example of unearned authority. You must come to
Chris and his alleged SP to get the true meaning of the scriptures
blah blah. It's the same old BS prophets and Priest have been using to
control the masses for millennia. Frankly I am surprised at some of
the people who seem to be falling for this BS especially when they
claim to know better themselves. The kingdom of God with all it power
and glory is found within you not elsewhere.
Chris
What am I to do to convince them? Nothing, because it is not my work.
If the Father wants them to understand, they will, if they just ask
him. This statement cuts the enemies of this work to the core, for
they believe that they "are" being led by God and that they "know" the
truth. Thus being much like Laman and Lemuel who could not accept the
fact that their younger brother had been chosen over them. Oh, heaven
help us if a young, long-haired, slightly bearded man in sandals
should be called of God instead of an older, more educated and
dedicated pious man of God, as my enemies perceive themselves. Oh,
heaven help the women of the world because the guy is handsome and
serene, unlike his enemies who are far from what the world would
accept as compelling in their physical appearance.
Blayne:
What a joke this guy is so full of himself its sad. What is it that
has cut us to the core? Think you not that you have exclusive right to
the spirit of the father and we being of the same father do not? All
have access to the spirit for that spirit that dwells within each of
us animating the body is the Holy Spirit of God for if it is not of
God then what is it? If the spirit leaves the body the body dies This
is the spirit we all have access to. It is only us ho denies this
spirit. Yet it dwells within us regardless ready to share knowledge
and wisdom when we are ready to hear.
You know nothing of me I do not consider myself pious. It is infarct
you whom acts pious like you know something you do not. Or have some
direct connection to God I have no doubt you are being influenced but
is it not God that is doing it but is is thy own ego and those who
would use you!
Chris
Again, what am I to do, but love them?
Blayne
You certainly have a funny ay of showing it by condemning us to hell
for questioning you.
Chris
Of course, those of you that have read The Sealed Portion with a
sincere desire to know if it is true, have discovered this for
yourselves, that's why none of you have been convinced or influenced
in the least by these enemies. Sure, they can persecute and condemn
the messenger to hell, but the message will stand as a witness to
their dark works and their lack of understanding of the mysteries of God.
Blayne:
Um I think you got that a little backwards. The only one here who has
persecuted and condemned anyone to hell is you. I nor JJ nor anyone
else I can recall whom you condemned has returned your unwarranted
railings to you for we will not lower ourselves to your level. This
ought to be a clue to some.
Chris:
Therefore, and I have heard this from many who have read the entire
book, the "challenges" of these men are not "challenges" but the hurt
egos of men, (there isn't a woman among them), who nobody will pass
the ball to, so that they can show how well they can shoot and make a
basket.
I am a very good point guard. :-)
Blayne
Sigh… More excuses see. So why is it our egos are hurt? I must have
forgotten. Well I doubt you'll come out of your hiding place to
confound us since you have already shown your cowardice and then of
course you take your shots at us and try to impress your followers. I
thought there was supposed to be no leaders but now I see you are
choosing twelve Shepard's. So why is it you get to choose if everyone
equal? Oh that's right you are the only one who can unfold the things
of God…Big Sigh!
Prediction Fulfilled
JJ Dewey (April 7,2005 post 1054)
Looks like I am the true prophet here. Last Monday I wrote:
"Chris says that Joshua will appear with him at the news conference.
"Let me make a prediction. There will be no evidence produced that
the real Joshua is at the news conference."
I've always maintained that Tony was real.
I just received this from Todd Jumper who asked me to post it to the group:
Todd:
I spoke with Tony who attended who said Josh F was not there, BIG
SUPRISE EH- I would not expect him to be there since no law firm, no
phone book and the Bar do not have a Joshua Farnsworth listed as an
attorney in SLC. Anyone who would just do some research can put these
things together. I have not spoke to anyone besides Chris who claims
to have met Josh F.
Having over 12 years of computer experience, and training. I traced
several of emails from Chris, Josh and even Suzanne Seeker all to the
same Lemon Grove library, which means all three people would need to
be using the computer terminals for internet access at the Lemon Grove
library in CA, and several times at the same time of the day for that
matter. What are the chances of that? Why would a SLC attorney be
traveling all the way to California just to use a library computer
terminal? The only rational explanation is that it was Chris, I'll
even go as far to claim Suzanne was Chris, while he sits back and has
a good laugh. You are dealing with someone with a very demented
twisted mind here folks. He is seeing how far he can take people
along for the little "trip" he is on before he is found out and he
will eventually be proven to be a fraud, that I testify of in Christ'
name.
====================
Here is the reply from Tony.
Todd Jumper
Yes -- I did attend the TSP Conf. All went very well. I believe I
personally met all the folks in attendance --- however, Josh F did not
make it. I was looking forward to meeting him!
Tony
Todd Jumper wrote:
Hi Tony,
Chris says you made it to the April 6 conference with him. How did
it go? He claims Josh F is a real guy, so what was he like?
Did Josh explain why most of his emails can be traced to the Lemon
Grove library, why is an SLC lawyer spending most of his time in a
library in California?
Re: Prediction Fulfilled
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, J J Dewey wrote:
Having over 12 years of computer experience, and training. I traced
several of emails from Chris, Josh and even Suzanne Seeker all to the
same Lemon Grove library, which means all three people would need to
be using the computer terminals for internet access at the Lemon
Grove
library in CA, and several times at the same time of the day for that
matter.
JZ:
Computers must be amazing things.
Here are four posts from Chris, all on 2-24-05, sent at the
following times:
#240 7:29pm
#241 7:30pm
#242 7:34pm
#243 7:38pm
Soooo, either he's a very, very fast typist ... or, he typed them up
before hand, and sent them all at once or ... ???
Ultimate Joke
>
>
>It is good to laugh. I believe playing tricks and even pranks is not
>outside of the character of Gods. But these tricks are not evil. Thao
>sometimes played tricks and laughed heartily at Michel Desmarquet,
>but there were no evil intent, only love. Parents may play trick on
>their kids and then laugh together.
>
>So if Chris and "Joshua" and Alesa are laughing reading this post let
>us laugh with them. But I suspect they are rather sad because people
>on this list go into nit-picking rather than discussing something
>important.
>
>Regards,
>Alex
>
If Chris pretended to be a nice person like Alesa there may be a
humorous side to it, but there's nothing funny about Joshua. What's
funny about being threatened and being called obscenities?
This comes closer to being called sickness rather than humor.
It'a about time readers start asking themselves why Chris would use
such deception and ask what else is he deceiving about.
Is the Sealed Portion his ultimate joke???
If it is will you be laughing your guts out about it?
JJ
Re: Prediction Fulfilled
Sorry JJ I got to compete with you here for prophet.
On March 31 post 930 I said speaking of the press conference: "I
doubt it will get much more then local coverage if at all since he has
not done the leg work necessary to get this into national spotlight."
Looks like I was spot on since it got no press coverage according to
Kimberly ;)
Blayne
[TheSealedPortion] Re: Prediction Fulfilled
>Sorry JJ I got to compete with you here for prophet.
>
> On March 31 post 930 I said speaking of the press conference: "I
>doubt it will get much more then local coverage if at all since he has
>not done the leg work necessary to get this into national spotlight."
>
Looks like there's lots of competition for prophet here. Todd
reminded me that he said:
"I prophesy there will be a time when Chris needs you (Josh) and you will be
no where to be found."
Fulfilled. When Chris needed "Josh" to show up to prove they were
separate people, Josh was no where to be found.
JJ
The more true prophets the better. So why is Todd Jumper hiding behind JJ?
If we are going to start looking for conspiracies and questioning
peoples motives, then it is fair and balanced to ask:
Why doesn't he come on the list and speak for himself?
And, as Blayne is wont to say: Show us your evidence. Show us your
trace logs. Show us HOW you tracked down all these posts to a single
location. Todd, we have no doubt that you can do it, but where is
the evidence?
For a man who has claimed to have seen Christ, and seen Moroni, and
seen the gold plates, and also claimed to have seen people levitate,
and also claimed to have seen aliens, and expects us to believe all
of this without providing a second witness, he can at least step
forward with tangible evidence and proof of something which happened
in the physical universe.
Todd claims to have evidence of fraud and deception, and people are
willing to blindly believe that which they want to believe. But, why
aren't these people demanding tangible proof from Todd, first hand,
not through another party?
Or, better yet, Todd, if you are unable to produce the evidence
which you collected, then please describe your methods of discovery
in enough detail that a person with a moderate amount of computer
experience could duplicate your experience and arrive at the same
conclusion that you did. Then, you will have a "second witness" to
what you discovered.
I think it's fair to turn the whole thing around and apply some of
the tests for truth which we have learned on the Keys.
You are asking us to believe facts (as opposed to principles, JJ's
definition). Why should we believe Jumper's claims of fact any more
than we should believe Nemelka's claims of fact? But, at least in
Jumper's case, the facts can and should be open for scutiny.
And, JJ, I know what it's like to be sworn at and cursed at, and to
have every word I utter questioned. I don't appreciate it any more
than you do. I can understand why you want to get to the bottom of
this. I do not condone or support what "Joshua" said to you, in any
way.
John
Re: Why is Todd Jumper hiding behind JJ?
I am not hiding behind anyone John.
I temporarily left the list because Alex would not moderate Joshua,
and freely allowed him to harass several people on the list with
unecessary cursing, and name calling. But since I have the feeling we
won't here from JF much more I came back if anyone needs me.
If anyone wants the proof that I have traced Josh's IP on several
occasions to the Lemon Grove library, its right there for anyone to see.
Ask yourself why a SLC attorney would be constantly traveling to a
library in CA, just to post emails, yet could not make it for Chris'
official press release- it seems he has no trouble posting emails from
that library, but actually appearing to people there, guess not.
And on March 30th, the prophecy I made came true when I said "When
Chris needs you, you shall be no where to be found." Despite Chris
claiming Josh F would defintely be there to prove JJ wrong, Josh F was
no where to be found.
Nuff said.
Some basic evidence.
On Wed March 30th, Josh posted from San Diego, CA
This IP comes right from his emails anyone can look up.
X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.101.209.202 (
Subject: Re: Better than SP
X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214333640
X-Yahoo-Profile: joshfarnsworth2000
Now two days earlier on March 27
Same IP, same computer terminal at the library:
NOTE this is a static IP address, an always on connection- if a person
were traveling it would be changing constantly.
X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.101.209.202 (
Subject: An Easter Gift
X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213542607
X-Yahoo-Profile: chrisnemelka
So there you have it folks. Now do I really need to go through and
dig through every single post here?
Or John, will you continue to just try to "character assassinate" me
in attempt to persuade people from researching and thinking for
themselves?
IGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!
Todd
Re: Why is Todd Jumper hiding behind JJ?
John C. Writes:
For a man who has claimed to have seen Christ, and seen Moroni, and
seen the gold plates, and also claimed to have seen people levitate,
and also claimed to have seen aliens, and expects us to believe all
of this without providing a second witness, he can at least step
forward with tangible evidence and proof of something which happened
in the physical universe.
Blayne:
Well gee John Todd never required anyone to believe him or be damned
to hell like Chris. Todd doesn't claim any special dispensation or
authority like Chris. Todd has not been caught in several lies and
deceptions Like Chris has. He has only related personal experiences
without guile.
John C.:
You are asking us to believe facts (as opposed to principles, JJ's
definition). Why should we believe Jumper's claims of fact any more
than we should believe Nemelka's claims of fact? But, at least in
Jumper's case, the facts can and should be open for scutiny.
Blayne:
Well because Todd again is making no special claims to having the
final revelation from God to man and to follow it or be damned. Todd
is not collecting women for his harem. Todd has not produced fake
witnesses and claimed they were real and that he would prove it and
failed once again as Chris has.
I have known Todd for several years over the Internet and met him and
his wife in Missouri for a couple days and he is an honest man.
Of course we see Todd has given evidence when asked unlike Chris who
hides, ignores, and condemns every time he is asked a question. Really
John I thought you were smarter then this but apparently all it takes
is for someone to stroke your ego and throw you a bone now and then
for you to put logic and reason away… Sigh!
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Why is Todd Jumper hiding behind JJ?
Now, someone might ask, upon further investigation. Why do Josh's IPs differ during the
times when Chris is out of town traveling?
If you take observance, you will see that JF posts most frequently on the days Chris is out of
town, claiming Chris gave him personal permission to "defend" him in his absence.
This would make perfect sense to an investigator if they were the same person, if Chris were
out of town, posting as Josh, his IP address would change, and JF IP address does change
every time Chris claims to leave town, so wherever Chris is going, Josh must be going along
for the ride.
Why would anyone in their right mind choose the most out of control personality, and an
obivous enemy to the gospel to represent them?
My personal opinion on why the JF personality would be created. Simply, as a method of
releasing inner frustration, and instead of directly taking responsiblity for that, people focus
on a made up personality, but anyone with strong intuition would be able to figure it out.
My own father, who suffers from obsessive compulsiveness, and is a compulsive liar as well,
could one day be as nice as pie, in person would be a very nice man, jovial, caring, and bend
over backwards to help you, and then the very next day, would send you an email cursing
you out, calling you every name in the book, and even cuss out his own grandchildren, and
quite often make up a phony email address to do it. Then two days later act like it never
happened.
You need to understand how a demented mentally troubled person works to recognize it in
someone else. They so desperately want to be accepted, and as soon as they receive the
slightest crticism, well, you get the picture.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Re: Some basic evidence.
Todd,
Could you trace the following two e-mails sent by Joshua:
#896 3/30 4:54am "Better than SP"
#913 3/31 4:02am "Dewey, the Asswipe"
#917 3/31 7:09am "
#919 3/31 7:16am "
#922 3/31 7:25am "
#924 3/31 7:27am "
Reason I picked those is that the Lemon Grove Library does not open
until 10am (at least according to their recording: 619-463-9819).
John Z
Re: Some basic evidence.
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Jumper"
wrote:
So there you have it folks. Now do I really need to go through and
dig through every single post here?
Or John, will you continue to just try to "character assassinate" me
in attempt to persuade people from researching and thinking for
themselves?
John:
Thanks for the info, Todd! That is enough so that I can think for
myself and form my own conclusions. Before you gave out this
information, I trusted you, but still wanted to go try it for
myself. Thanks for saving my the trouble.
BTW, for those interested, here's a website that shows how to do it.
It's pretty self-explanatory.
http://www.johnru.com/active-whois/trace-email.html
I found this doing a Google search on '"ip address" email'
It's funny. We just took an Internet security course at work
yesterday, and I have been getting tons of phishing Email from
different banks lately. I'm not saying there's any connection, but
it's funny how the same issue keeps coming up in different places.
I wasn't trying to "character assassinate" you. Just demanding that
you live by the same standard that you expect everybody else to
follow, and you do. I appreciate it very much.
Oh, also did you catch one of "Joshua"'s posts where he admitted to
being 40-something, about Christopher's age? I knew he had to be
older than 28. You can say anything on your Yahoo! profile. Mine is
out of date and has an old picture, but I'm not hiding anything.
Anyway, when all of this came out I thought the similarity in ages
was "interesting". Also, once I offered to meet him in SLC and buy
him lunch, but got no response. What lawyer would turn down a free
lunch? :)
Having said that, I appreciate all the detective work, and unless I
hear something credible from Chris, it looks pretty conclusive that
there is a game of Bad Cop Good Cop going on here.
John
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Some basic evidence.
Perhaps these link to Chris' personal laptop.
The traceroute no longer bounce around the country, possibly since the static IP has
rebooted since then but the first post here #896 still traces to San Diego. So that would
place Josh in San Diego still, and still using the same computer terminal Chris was using at
the same time. Also note the times on the Yahoo emails I don't believe are reflected in real
time. I am noticing even my postings are showing as 7:15 Am, when I actually sent the post
in the afternoon on the east coast after my daughter got home from school, which is about
4pm EST, so not sure whats screwing up the times.
68.101.209.202
Thats the last we hear from him.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Forty something
Read this very carefully. Note the age. Definitely not 28.
He hints right here that he won't be standing up for Christopher at
any press conference.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSealedPortion/message/560
Yea, I've been wrong before, hell I was an active LDS member of 40
years. Yea, I have never met any of you and cannot say for sure that
you're bad or good, I can only go by what I read on this discussion
group message board. Yea, I keep myself hiding for good reason, but
I am not afraid to stand up for the truth, I'm more like Nicodemus
who came to Jesus at night to be taught because he didn't want to be
destroyed during the day. Yea, I'm greatly concerned about
Christopher and this upcoming press conference where the world will
be given the chance to know him and hate him even more because he'll
threaten their established boxes.
Yea, I don't trust many people to have any good behind their
actions. Yea, I might be wrong about all of you. Yea, I can be an
ass sometimes, but I'd rather be an ass errorring for the good than
a saint errorring for the bad. Even though Christopher won't fight
for himself, there are some of us that are going to fight for him.
To put is simply: the guy's got alot of enemies that were once
freinds and loved ones that loved him with all of their hearts. I
just don't want to see him accept other so-called "friends" to get
hurt time and time again. Is it my job? Hell NO! Why do I care? I
frigin don't know sometimes except when you get to know him on a
personal level you can't help it. Will I step up in public and
defend him? Honestly, I would probably be one of the apostles that
scattered and denied him in public so that they wouldn't get killed.
Luckily I can hide behind this technology, at least for now, and
give my two cents hoping that Chris will read my words and take my
advice. Yea, maybe I am wrong about you guys, but maybe I'm not. I
wouldn't hurt any of you and hope you wouldn't hurt me or anyone
else. Im' gone again cause Chris should be back in a couple of days
and take care of himself. Good luck to all of ye's. Josh
Re: Some basic evidence.
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Jumper"
wrote:
> X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.143.216.166 From: "Joshua Farnsworth"
>
> Thats the last we hear from him.
Ft. Worth. That could be the DFW airport. A big hub where people
change planes for trans-continental flights.
[TheSealedPortion] Re: Some basic evidence.
John C wrote:
>
>Oh, also did you catch one of "Joshua"'s posts where he admitted to
>being 40-something, about Christopher's age? I knew he had to be
>older than 28. You can say anything on your Yahoo! profile. Mine is
>out of date and has an old picture, but I'm not hiding anything.
>Anyway, when all of this came out I thought the similarity in ages
>was "interesting". Also, once I offered to meet him in SLC and buy
>him lunch, but got no response. What lawyer would turn down a free
>lunch? :)
>
>Having said that, I appreciate all the detective work, and unless I
>hear something credible from Chris, it looks pretty conclusive that
>there is a game of Bad Cop Good Cop going on here.
>
Now this sounds more like the John I know. Thanks for being honest here.
When I heard the inner voice saying Josh was Chris I was 90% sure. I
should have had more confidence because it has never let me down, but
there is always the possibility that I was imagining things since it
didn't come with a powerful witness.
Then I used principles I learned in handwriting analysis to compare
the writing style of the two. I found several quirks that made it
pretty conclusive. I was then 99% sure.
Now Todd's new evidence makes it so close to 100% that it is
difficult to see how it could not be true.
The main point to take from this conclusion is this.
If Chris could be a wolf (Joshua) in sheep's (Chris) clothing in
this area then it becomes very probable that the Sealed Portion is
really a wolf clothed as a scriptural shepherd.
If Chris like to play jokes then this could be the ultimate joke.
I will say this though. Chris is a good creative writer.
The main witness of this is the Sealed Portion itself. Maybe I'll
make a list of flaws in it someday, but one that really gets to me is
that it condemns technology as inspired by Lucifer. It says that
Adam was happy without all our current technology so we can be also.
Yet when we observe Chris and believers, what do we see? They all
communicate on the greatest technology of them all - computers and
the Internet. They all watch television, drive cars, use phones and
use electricity in their homes.
Anyone who wants us to live like the Amish misses the boat in my book.
I was happy in the first grade, but would not be happy being forced
to go back there and be confined to it as an adult.
Even so humanity could have been happy in its beginnings, but now we
have advanced to an upper grade, throwing away all technology and
going back to the first grade would be like descending to hell for
all but a few.
All the Evidence…now who’s the asswipe?
April 8, 2005 post 1072
I am taking the time for the benefit of the doubt to trace every single post Josh has ever made to the List,
starting from the first time.
FEB 11, 2005 (Location was San Diego)
X-Originating-IP: 68.101.209.202
X-Originating-IP: 68.101.209.202
X-Originating-IP: 68.101.209.202
X-Originating-IP: 68.101.209.202 (Josh is still in San Diego posting at same time as Chris on the SAME
COMPUTER)
Subject: Charley and Terrill????
FEB 19, 2005 - Josh is Still in San Diego on Chris's computer
From: "Joshua Farnsworth"
X-Originating-IP: 68.101.209.202 (
X-Originating-IP: 68.101.209.202
Subject: Re: Official Press Release
FEB 23, 2005 - Only a few minutes after Chris 'lovingly' welcomes me to the list, someone using the same
computer is calling me "Mr Psychic Idiot"
From: "Joshua Farnsworth"
X-Originating-IP: 68.101.209.202
Subject: Re: From Under The Rocks
FEB 24, 2005 - Finally Josh gets a new IP, this time its coming from Los Angeles
From: "Joshua Farnsworth"
X-Originating-IP: 160.227.21.123
X-Originating-IP: 65.244.167.162 (
Subject: Learning The Father's Way
X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213542569
March 10th, 2005 - Josh is also now in Orlando, Florida, are these two lovebirds on vacation together?
X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.132.123.92
Subject: Think! Boys!
March 11th, 2005 - Still in Orlando, Florida, using same computer Chris is using.
X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.132.123.92
From: "Joshua Farnsworth"
Subject: Me, Wrong?
March 14th, 2005 - Chris is back in San Diego
X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.101.209.202
Subject: A Marvelous Work and Wonder
The rest of the IPs for Josh I have already supplied. Anything past March 14 until present day has been from the
same IP Chris is using, same location and pretty much the same time frames.
THERE IS NOT ONE BIT of evidence, that Josh has ever posted from Salt Lake City, no phone number listed, no
address listed, no record of him on the bar association.
Its time to open up your heart and eyes people, see that you are possibly being duped all this time. The Holy Spirit
told me during meditation and prayer on March 30th. "Todd, you are dealing with a split psychosis. Josh and Chris
are the same person."
At the time I received that inspiration, I did not have all the evidence now laid before you.
Sincerely
In Christ's name,
Todd JumperTodd (Enoch)
Re: ALL THE EVIDENCE - Now who's the asswipe?
Very interesting, Todd.
I think it would be appropriate to hear from Chris re. this.
Re: ALL THE EVIDENCE - Now who's the asswipe?
>
> I think it would be appropriate to hear from Chris re. this.
This ought to be good. I'm going to get some popcorn and a drink.
It'll be better than "Law and Order."
Alma
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: FW: April 6th TSP Introduction to the world
April 9th,2005 post 1092
"So, my question would be if you have ever found anything good
about Christopher? Or are you only looking for evil?"
I look for good in all people, after all thats what led me to join his list
in the first place. If I would looking for "evil" I would have searched his
IP addresses from the very beginning.
I even read, studied, fasted over and prayed while reading pretty much the
entire SP, and the Book of Lehi, not just chapter headings. I contacted
people privately on the list interested in their testimonys and met several
very humble truth seekers.
Did I find truth in the SP? Yes a lot of it, but also a lot of what seemed to
be personal opinions from the author (Chris) and not word of God. I did not
find the Chiasmus that you find in the Book of Mormon or other ancient
scripture, that one would expect to be there if it was Moroni writing it. I
then was confronted with several historical mistakes which also should not be
there if it was translated by the power of God.
It was until after all that did I start seeing "evil" after watching Josh
constantly be allowed to harass and persecute others and myself, I chose to
leave the list.
Then spirit told me they were the same person, the SPIRIT guided me to look
for things that were wrong, and after searching I found the spirit was
correct; and now I fully believe Josh/Chris are the same person, and I no
longer trust anything the Chris writes and because of his actions I believe
that Chris was telling the truth while he was in prison, he had nothing to
lose sitting in jail, and while he was there he himself said he made it all
up, and spirit moved upon me and I saw that was the truth.
My heart aches for those who have allowed themselves to be blinded by his
false love he espouses. One can not truly be loving their brother, and then
five minutes later going under a different email address and cussing me out,
and calling me names. And now that the evidence is out in the open, how can
anyone in their right mind still believe him and give him any credit to him
having a pure heart. Do you honestly beleive that such a deceiving
personality God would choose for his must sacred records to come from? Chris
is an enemy unto himself, he causes his own problems, he is his own worst
persecutor.
There is more evidence of life on Mars than Josh F. being a real person.
Todd
Looking for Truth
By JJ Dewey
To John C
First let me shed some more light on the principle "You find what you
are looking for."
If you look for evil you will see evil.
if you look for good you will see good.
But if either of these is all you are looking for you will be deceived.
The true seeker looks for the truth, no matter where it leads him.
It appears that as far as Christopher and the Sealed Portion is
concerned you have not been looking for the truth, but only for the
good, which includes your previous conclusions as to what is true.
Why do I say this?
The most obvious example is the fact that you did not see that Chris
was Joshua, until so many facts were thrown at you tat you either had
to accept or be dishonest with yourself.
Why did you not see this earlier when others did? You claim to be in
contact with spiritual beings. Why did they not tell you? Why did
you not ask?
The answer is that you were only looking for the good and not the
truth and you did not want to consider the possibility that there was
a Joshua side to Chris.
Its so glaringly obvious that you feel that Chris understands you and
can use your talents as perhaps no one else you have met. You even
say:
"Chris, you never met me, but you know me so well. I can't get over it."
I will say this, that Chris knows a part of yourself that you do not
know yourself and he is using it. This causes you to only look at
one side of the forming picture.
He seems to accept you, is friendly, seems loving to the extent you
state that he is a loving person. To say this you have to only look
at how her treats you and not how he treats those who whom he
disagrees such as myself, Todd and Blayne and others.
"If you love only those who love you what reward have ye? Do not the
Scribes and Pharisees do the same?"
The true servant will stand up for injustice for others even if the
authorities reward him personally.
If Chris ever feels challenged by you or feels he is losing your
support you will be forced at that time to look for the truth rather
than merely the good.
I leave you and others with this from The Labours of Hercules.
And the great Presiding One replied: "Let him proceed."
Happy and confident, Hercules went on, sure of himself and with new
courage for the search. Now to the west he turned himself and,
turning thus, he met disaster. He entered without thought upon the
third great test and failure met him and for long delayed his steps.
For there he met Busiris, the great arch-deceiver, son of the waters,
of close kin to Poseidon. His is the work to bring delusion to the
sons of men through words of seeming wisdom. He claims to know the
truth and with quickness they believe. He speaks fair words saying:
"I am the teacher. To me is given knowledge of the truth and
sacrifice for me. Accept the way of life through me. I know, but
no-one else. My truth is right. All other truth is wrong and false.
Hark to my words; stay with me and be saved."
And Hercules obeyed, and daily weakened on the early way (third test)
seeking no further for the sacred tree. His strength was sapped. He
loved, adored Busiris, and accepted all he said. Weaker from day to
day he grew, until there came a day when his loved teacher bound him
to an altar and kept him bound throughout a year.
Suddenly one day, when struggling to be free, and slowly seeing
Busiris for what he was, words spoken long ago by Nereus came to his
mind:
"Truth lies within yourself. There is a higher power and strength and
wisdom in yourself. Turn inwards and there evoke the strength which
is, the power which is the heritage of all the sons of men who are
the sons of God."
Silent lie lay a prisoner on the altar, bound to its corners four for
one whole year. Then, with the strength which is the strength of all
the sons of God, he broke his bonds, seized the false teacher (who
had seemed so wise) and bound him to the altar in his place. He spoke
no word, but left him there to learn.
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: ALL THE EVIDENCE - Now who's the asswipe?
To John Z and Todd J
Yes. I recall meeting with Christopher on Thurs or Fri (the 10th or 11th) on his return from Florida --- soon
after his arrival to San Diego in-prep for the "Big Meeting at SD Bay". I did get proof of his return/arrvl to
SD as he arrived via a transport courier. I then had a brief visit with him on Sat or Sun March 12th - 13th
and/or 14th. When I met him soon after the special mtg with (per his representation) the Nephites and
the Immortals, I sensed something was up or that something had "happened" as there was a most
unusual look about him. Then, the following day he read to me the post (before posted) and I quizzed
him as to whether or not this actually happened -- or did it happen in his "minds-eye". He said "it actually
happened" then he decribed the whole event again, in more detail.
Anthony/Tony ----- P.S. This post is being submitted from a cpu that Chris uses from time to time (no
worried mates!)
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: ALL THE EVIDENCE - Now who's the asswipe?
To Todd
Thank you for this pain-staking due diligence. All duly noted and appreciated. Today I discussed this
matter, in detail, to my partial statisfaction with Chris. We may (or may not) visit this topic/issue one more
time before the matter/topic is closed.
From Anthony/Tony
The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
John C.
BUT, I was just as shocked as everybody else by JF's emails, and I
cannot deny the truth of what your detective work has uncovered. It
makes me ill as well.
I found out some additional information to add to what you have
already found out. Before setting up these discussion groups on
Yahoo!, Christopher also used a blog page on
www.thesealedportion.com, aka http://www.geocities.com/chrisnemelka/
Check out this conversation, held with on "Josh F" on
http://www.thesealedportion.com/blog/archives/00000003.html
So if JF is a phoney, he's been around since last November.
Blayne
So it appears while you now are at least suspicious your still not
entirely convinced and hold out hope that Chris will come up with some
explanation that appeases you?
Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "hawkiye55"
wrote:
We already have Tony trying to set up a possible alibi but of course
needs some time to try and figure out how to wiggle out of this one
by
claiming they may or may not revisit it.
John:
Tony is telling the truth. There is no "alibi". Todd got the dates
in Florida right, but the dates for the meeting wrong. But, we
cleared all that up a couple of days ago.
The meeting was held on the evening of Saturday, March 12, about 10
PM San Diego time. Christopher was in town on Saturday, as he
stated, and as Tony vouched, and Todd has no records proving
otherwise.
I want an explanation, and I will continue to ask for an
explanation.
But, to put it into perspection. Abinadi the prophet came and
preached in disguise, as did Jesus.
Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
I wasn't just talking about the supposed meeting but the entire
deception of Josh.
Put what in perspective? It seems you can justify anything. Abinidi
and Jesus did not insult people with vile obcenities and call that
preaching...Big Sigh.
You want an explaination so the question is what will you accept to
dismiss this sort of behavior? From your previous posts you seem to
have all but dismissed it already pending an explaination.
Frankly there is no explaination that makes up for these lies and
deceptions.
Blayne
Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
PS I also posted evidence of his lies when he claimed he never
condemned anyone to hell etc. and challanged me to post evidence.
Jeeze what does it take John for you to see the truth?
Blayne
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
Thanks everyone for the investigation as to JF identity.
If I had moderated "Joshua" out you would not have had this fun.
Interesting, what was the purpose of that trick (unless it is reasonably
explained)?
* Book of Mormon is not necessary a true history of American population -
yet it is a foundation of a new religion;
* Book of Abraham was not a translation, yet it is of some theological
value.
* History is full of tricks and lies and those were for some purpose:
- Adam was commanded not to partake of the fruit, but he had to do it. A new
race was started;
- Jacob by lying thee times to his father Isaac obtained a blessing. A new
nation was born;
- Rahab lied to the spies...
Perhaps Joshua-trick also serves a purpose of probing people's reaction and
attitudes. If it is proven that it was a trick, many people will leave Chris
forever (as happened when the book of Abraham papyri were correctly
translated), but some might stay inspite of that. This will be a test for
Chris's followers. For the rest it will be the warning to be more on alert
and be less brainwashable. Rating of the SP (and the Immortal, by the way)
will fall.
We will see...
Regards,
Alex
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: ALL THE EVIDENCE - Now who's the asswipe?
He can hide himself on the internet, but he can not hide from God, and God has shown me
they are the same person.
So until he repents, admits he has been deceving everyone, apologizes for pretending to be
Josh, apologizes for harassing me under he alias of Josh, then I have not one bit of trust in
the man, he is unrepentant and continues to cover it up and lie, that type of person has not
one bit of inspiration in them.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
John:
Tony is telling the truth. There is no "alibi". Todd got the dates
in Florida right, but the dates for the meeting wrong. But, we
cleared all that up a couple of days ago.
I got the date of the meeting wrong because I was going from brief memory and not
traceable facts. There is no record of JF or Chris posting on the net on March 12, but he was
traced to be in Florida on March 10- I just assumed he was still there on the 12th.
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
>But, to put it into perspection. Abinadi the prophet came and
>preached in disguise, as did Jesus.
It is one thing to preach in disguise. BUT Joshua was not PREACHING in disguise, in fact he
showed little respect for the gospel or other servants of the Lord.
God would not have one of his prophets to go under an alias and curse out one of his other
prophets. And for that matter, another prophet would see past the disguise through the gift,
like JJ did, who is a modern day prophet.
He was insulting, harassing, name calling and even threatening me in disguise. Get the
difference between the two? IF he was preaching the gospel in disguise as a prophet of God
it would have been a very very different nature altogether.
Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
Brother John C: "...But, to put it into perspection. Abinadi the
prophet came and preached in disguise, as did Jesus..."
BM: And this vindicates Chris being Joshua F.????? Good grief John!
You're better than this brother! If a man who professes himself a
Christian, prophet and teacher, and then disguising himself as a
blabbering idiot (Joshua F.) with a tongue of ill repute, how has he
conveyed the love of Christ, much less being a Christian? The only
disguise Christ Jesus had is to let the Holy Ghost tell the people
who He really was, even the Messiah. Then please explain WHY you
even
consider an analogy between Jesus' and Chris' disguise? I mean, the
analogy is asinine, IMO. Like Brother Blayne said, "...you're only
looking for the good..." and not necessarily the truth in this
affair. Wake up Bud, your friends are truly trying help here
regardless if you think so or not.
Brother Merritt
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Re: The Jig is Up Chris is Caught
John C: Give Chris the benefit of the doubt and ask him to supply scans of airplane flight
ticket stubs for both him and Josh, from CA, to Florida, and CA to Texas etc, I doubt they
throw things like that out being a lawyer - would be considered business expense.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
John,
Thank you for your sincere response. You make an interesting point
when you say that Hercules learned from the experience with a false
teacher. It sounds though like you have went through that once or
more in the past. Hopefully you do not have to have the experience
again.
I know you have a great desire to use your talents and to initiate.
The Keys is a place to receive stimulation to aid in initiation, not
a place to do the actual work of the disciple save passing
information and ideas on to others. I have no problem if you feel
moved on to other work. I just hope that work is in alignment with
the highest you know.
If the Sealed Portion were true it would indeed provide many with an
opportunity to do a great work and provide opportunity for seekers to
initiate.
On the other hand, if it is the work of a man's imagination and study
when it is proclaimed to be a revelation from God, anything initiated
will do more harm than good. Yes, it does teach some things that are
true and provides food for thought for Mormons and others, but so
does the Urantia Book, Ramtha as well as the other Sealed Portions.
Every initiate has a responsibility to make sure that which he
initiates is in harmony with mind and spirit to the best of his
ability.
Let me list a few things that I think should be of concern to all
seekers and the honest in heart. I will give out this list over
several posts and then my work here should be done. I may post now
and then after this, but hope to remove my attention elsewhere.
(1) The most glaring problem is Chris deceiving us into thinking
that it was a separate person (Joshua) calling me and others
obscenities. Anyone who uses such insulting language should not be
trusted by any disciple.
Yes, Joseph Smith and other teachers had faults, but nothing like
this. Joseph Smith was kind, even to his enemies and Chris has no
enemies comparable to that Joseph had. He thinks that I am his enemy
and I wish him no harm. I only wish the truth to be revealed.
NOTE: There is one more possibility here. It is possible that there
is a real Joshua, but that Chris was using his name and e-mail
address for his own.
(2) He not only treats those who question with great disrespect
through his alias but he also does this in person.
To me he wrote:
As I have testified of before, you are one of the worst "wolves"
among us and your work will be crushed eventually by the true work of
the Father.
"You are an evil man, J J Dewey, who knows that his heart is not
right with God. You are an atheist, whose only desire is to teach
people according to their own belief systems so that you get gain and
glory over them. Your wisdom is nothing here. You appear as a fool
to all those who have read your works and now know the truth by
reading The Sealed Portion. When you die, you will be in a state of
misery and hell that you have never felt, but which you will feel a
semblance of on this earth if you continue to fight this work and
mock it." From post 781
You've known me for a few years John. Do you really think I am an
evil man, an atheist? Think of all the false teachers you have met.
Am I one of the "worst" wolves you have met?
I said nothing to Chris (or Joshua) to cause him to lash out at me as
he did and even worse than calling me evil was the attempt to put the
fear of God in me by threatening a state of misery when I die.
Chris talked you out of meeting me in person when I was in Texas.
Why? When you have not met me face to face it is easier to plant a
distorted image of me in your mind.
(3) The Sealed Portion claims that Chris cannot be confounded. It says:
81:62 And those of you who have received these things and who doubt
within yourself of whence they came; yea, have ye read all of these
words?
81:63 Yea, have ye spoken to the last of these two latter-day
prophets about these things? Can ye confound him in his words? I
say unto you, that ye cannot confound him in his words, because he
speaks according to the Spirit of God, which is within him; and he
who speaketh according to the Spirit of God, cannot be confounded in
that which he speaketh.
Here it is predicted that he cannot be confounded in his words, but I
have confounded him a number of times.
Identifying him as Joshua has certainly confounded him. He has
refused to answer plainly whether or not he wrote those obscenities
toward me and even if he did the evidence is overwhelming that he is
Joshua.
He issued an Elijah type test challenging me to explain a question
from JZ. I answered the question, giving strong reasoning and he did
not respond to his own challenge.
Who was confounded? It was not me.
I presented him with the principle of witnesses and quoted D&C 6:28
which says "in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word
be established."
This confounded him for he had no good answer to defend the idea that
no other witnesses were necessary in this time.
The Sealed Portion continues:
64 But ye who condemn them and who believe that these things were
invented by them that they might deceive you, why do ye not speak
with the prophet of God that is now among you upon the earth?
65 Behold, I shall prophesy unto you and tell you why ye do not
speak to him: Yea, Satan hath great power over your hearts and ye
are filled with anger and hate towards him, even with the same anger
and the hate that the Jews had against Jesus when he spoke unto them.
So far the opposite of this has occurred. No one on the list has
shown any anger and hate toward Chris. I know I have not. Yet he
has shown anger and hate toward others for merely asking sincere
questions. Look at his words through Joshua and see if you do not
see anger and hate. Even Chris in his own words show some anger and
hate as I quoted above.
(4) Where there is smoke there is fire. If I were a believer I
would be very disturbed that it is reported that Chris admitted to
writing the Sealed Portion. Especially troubling is the report that
he confessed this to get out of jail. I haven't seen Chris deny this.
The final evidence of truth is always the work of the man himself.
The Sealed Portion thus needs to be examined and the content placed
before the light of reason and the Spirit.
This I will do next.
--
Subtle Influence
(JJ to John C. –this is evidence that Chris did not use the U&T to know this)
Right after the Texas seminar, that you signed up for, paid for and
did not attend, Chris posted this:
"There were those who should have been with you, but were guided away
from you by the Spirit, so that in that Spirit, they could attend a
meeting that was organized by true messengers and perpetuators of the
Father's plan. "
Obviously Chris was talking about you here for you were the only one
on the list who was scheduled to attend the seminar.
How did Chris know you were scheduled to attend the seminar?
Obviously you had a private dialog with him explaining your dilemma
that you were scheduled to go to the seminar, but also wanted to
attend his meeting "in the spirit." After a painful inner wrestling
you decided to drop the seminar and focus your attention on
supporting Chris on this day.
You, of course, insist that Chris did not influence you, but I assure
you that if you did not have this private dialog with him that you
would have attended the seminar that you bought and paid for (which,
by the way, I refunded my share of the money to you).
John
>And what about you meeting me? Did that thought ever enter your
mind?
JJ
Of course, I was looking forward to meeting you face to face. It was
not the Spirit of God that influenced you to have your bad feeling
about meeting me. Even if I was some sort of bad guy you should meet
me to better understand those with whom you interact.
What was the difference between the spirit that impressed you to sign
up for the seminar and the spirit that made you withdraw? It appears
to me that the second spirit was Chris' influence.
Re: Subtle Influence
Blayne,
Please check the date on this message:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheSealedPortion/message/686
This was long AFTER the seminar.
I told Chris and JJ I was dissuaded by the Spirit from attending
JJ's seminar. I wrote JJ the morning of the seminar. I first wrote
and told Chris about not attending sometime later that weekend. He
didn't even know about it beforehand, so how could he have talked me
out of it? These were private, personal off-list Email, so there is
no way for a third party to track down an IP address.
But, then JJ insisted that it was Chris' "subtle influence" which
persuaded me to not attend.
But, as I said, if you want to keep insisting that I am a liar, and
that it was somebody else who influenced me, then put the blame on
Thom (not Chris) who has been asking me to leave the Keys for many
years. (I won't tell you what he thinks about JJ because it would
make Joshua seem mild by comparison.)
You never give up, do you Blayne ... Sigh!
Get a life, man! You got better things to do than hound me. At least
I hope you do.
[TheSealedPortion] Re: Subtle Influence
It sounds like Chris told you ahead of time he was having a special
meeting the same time as the seminar and this influenced you to not
attend so you could be with Chris (and the immortals) in the spirit,
thus causing Chris to have a subtle influence on you. If I am wrong
blame Chris for this is the impression he gave me in his post.
I am very curious as to why you think the Spirit would instruct you
not to attend the seminar. Any true revelation is generally
accompanied by understanding. I spoke on the Labours of Hercules
which is good instruction for any aspiring disciple. I can think of
no rerason the Spirit would be against hearing such good instruction.
I am also curious as to why Thom hates me for no reason. What kind
of companion is that? He may wind up hating you for no reason also
some time in the future if he has this mindset.
JJRe: [TheSealedPortion] Re: Points for Contemplation 3
I wrote a few of them off this who no longer subscribe here showing them the evidence.
Most of them just reply in ignorance, either automatically believed Chris' excuse that Josh
travels with him everywhere, or that "the sealed portion is comfortable for me and I do not
need to look at those IPs."
I think even if Chris admitted Josh was not real, they would still believe him.
He has done just about everything besides admit it, in court of law it would hold up as
evidence.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Hello Boys, (April 16,2005 post 1139)
I have wanted to stop by for a few days now, but have been cramped
for time... I have read every post since I last posted (before the
conference)and it has been insightful reading. I would like to say
that most of what I gained this visit is further understanding about
what can happen when ordinary men get together and reason one with
another over signs without the help of the Spirit. I only say this
because none of you must have it, or else you would have had it dawn
on you right away who Joshua Farnsworth is... and no, he is not
Chris. I'm tempted to reveal his true identity, but you seem
satisfied with your own conclusions, so I'll leave you to them..
afterall, you deserve them. I would only add that if you base all
your future conclusions on the same type of logic (Blayne) or other
Holy Spirit verification (Todd) you should expect to experience the
same empty results. I see that John Cee has struggled to reconcile
the seemingly invincible evidence that Todd suffered to compile,
(sorry you had to go through that Todd, but you were driven [led] by
an unclean spirit, which should have been obvious to you, as the
process was making you and then others... feel like vomiting). I am
tempted to say nothing at all, and just leave you boys in your smug
little worlds, but that wouldn't be what Christ would do, so I have
to believe it won't cause me any joy either.
JJ, it is no surprise.
All of you: Please take a minute and carefully re-think your
conclusions through again. Because some of you insisted on finding
fault, you were given the means whereby to convict... or so it would
seem. Are you ready to bet your soul that Chris is a wolf in sheep's
clothing?
This is a simple "Yea" or "Nay" vote which will in no way be argued.
Based on what you think you know, vote your conscience.
Yea or Nay.
Gentlemen, place your bets.
Harrdknocks
Blayne’s conclusions…
In one of your posts to John Cee:
"Blayne
Excuse me but this would all be fine and dandy if he made restitution
AND WASN'T STILL DOING IT BY POSING AS JOSH. You seem to just dismiss
the fact that he has been caught doing it still and trying to cover it
up. I think all of us could accept someone who has a past but has
stopped those things and is sincerely doing his best but obviously
that is not the case with Chris. He tried to cover his tracks by
claming him and Josh travel together and use the same computer yet
Josh who is traveling with him is conspicuously missing from the big
event. Will you be appeased if he muddies the waters enough (I don't
see how he can with the IP traces) some how and claims Josh was called
away on urgent lawyer business or some BS?"
Hmmm? Well according to the actual obvious truth, John can certainly go
ahead and dismiss the "FACT" that Chris has been caught posing as Josh
the foul-mouthed, irreverent, attorney, because Chris didn't. Your
little "FACT" isn't a fact, and your subsequent conclusions that Chris
continues to cover it all up, or that Chris condones Josh's (allegedly
his own) behavior are nothing more than pure uninspired conjecture that
is being passed off by you as something known and accepted by all who
have half a brain, which is slanderous at least and gossip of the worst
caliber, not to mention a case of blatant spreading of disinformation.
That my friend, is a "FACT".
Prophet or no prophet, if you have falsely accused Chris to another,
this puts you in poor light, does it not??
HarryTodd's research...
" Why is it while one person can detect no evil, I became physically
ill yesterday after researching all his IP addresses, to the point of
almost vomiting."
>
> Love and Light,
> Todd (Enoch)
These are your words Todd.. If you meant to say something different,
then why didn't you? Here it sounds like researching Chris's IP
addresses was the reason for your alleged nausea, because YOU could
detect a sickening evil that another person could not. To me anyway,
you were asking no one in particular why some people just aren't as
in tune with the workings of the Devil as you are, or so it came
across.
FWIW, I have met Duane Erickson, and based on his descriptions and
comparisons of the sentiment,I believe he knows what he is talking
about. I also believe that what you did made you sick, considering
what you were trying to prove.
I have more for you.
Harry
This is evidence that the great Deceiver has you on his speed dial...
"It was until after all that did I start seeing "evil" after watching
Josh constantly be allowed to harass and persecute others and myself,
I chose to leave the list."
Q.) Who allowed Josh to constantly harass or persecute you or anybody
else? I seem to recall Chris gently trying to persuade Josh to use a
more Christ-like approach. While Chris was at one point a moderator
here, did not ban Josh, as Josh said he would try to do better. Maybe
in your research you can find a statement made by Chris condoning
Josh's behavior on this site, or even allowing it.
(I've added the caps on this next part for special emphasis)
"Then THE SPIRIT told me they were the same person, THE SPIRIT guided
me to look for things that were wrong, and after searching I found
THE SPIRIT was correct; and now I fully believe Josh/Chris ARE THE
SAME PERSON, and I no longer trust anything the Chris writes and
because of his actions I believe that Chris was telling the truth
while he was in prison, he had nothing to lose sitting in jail, and
while he was there he himself said he made it all up, and THE SPIRIT
moved upon me and I saw that was the truth."
Wow Todd, would you like to know which Spirit moved upon you? This is
a golden opportunity for you to come to realize who is guiding you in
your quest for truth.
"My heart aches for those who have allowed themselves to be blinded
by his false love he espouses. One can not truly be loving their
brother, and then five minutes later going under a different email
address and cussing me out, and calling me names."
Please recognise and understand that this never happened. It was all
in your so called "right mind".
"And now that the evidence is out in the open, how can anyone in
their right mind still believe him and give him any credit to him
having a pure heart."
The evidence supporting your claim is calmly trumped into a thing of
naught by the simple truth. Your research efforts are and were a
complete waste of time. THE SPIRIT that revealed the truth about this
to me and my wife (separately) would have revealed it to you, and
anyone else who understands the "love and light" you want others to
think you have, (as demonstrated with your signature at the end of
every post), but do not. (sorry)
"Do you honestly beleive that such a deceiving personality God would
choose for his must sacred records to come from? Chris is an enemy
unto himself, he causes his own problems, he is his own worst
persecutor."
Josh was right about one thing, and that upon simply shaking the
man's hand, the negativity you may wish to hold onto, will quickly
disipate. He has to speak no words to achieve this, but that is
something you can't witness to yet. I think if you substitute your
own name in the place of Chris's in that last sentence, you will see
something ironic.
"There is more evidence of life on Mars than Josh F. being a real
person."
The poster JF is a real person, just as poster TJ is a real person.
Are you sure you still wish to wager everything that you have not
been deceived?
Harry
Re: Checking in...
So Harry if one of your children disobeys you do you quit speaking to
him? So how much more does your father in heaven speak to his
children even the errant ones?
Your logic won't work on this one Blayne, because it's a ridiculous
analogy. Of course I would talk to my errant children, but I wouldn't
attempt to convey my thoughts telepathically over any distance and
expect them to get it right.
"Your so caught up in your emotional high of thinking you found
something profound you wouldn't know the spirit if it was within
you. ;)"
I wouldn't characterize what I'm feeling as an emotional high, but
you can project whatever you feel to, and you can ascertain my
ability to discern the spirit by whatever means suits you. It proves
nothing.
> Well gee Harry there is this pesky little thing called evidence and
> sorry we just choose not to ignore it in favor of some esoteric
> knowlege you you or anyone else claims to have but continues to
refuse
> to reveal becuase we are not worthy or some such BS.
I would hope that you would be wise enough not bet your life on your
so called evidence, but it's yours to wave all over town. Esoteric
knowledge? Actually, it's just common knowledge. Nobody said anything
about worthiness, or some such BS. I did say something to the effect
that men can err by attempting to reason one with another without the
help of the Spirit. If that sounds like something to do with
worthiness, then you should investigate where that thought
originated. It wasn't from me, or the Spirit. You don't like it when
others try to put words in your mouth, but as you can see, you're
also quite capable.
>
>
> > I would only add that if you base all
> > your future conclusions on the same type of logic (Blayne) or
other
> > Holy Spirit verification (Todd) you should expect to experience
the
> > same empty results.
>
> What empty results would those be Harry?
I think it is obvious that the empty results I'm referring to are the
ones gained from your bold conclusion about Chris and Josh being the
same person.
So now you are supposing you
> know anything about my life and what fullness I have or anyone
elses
> for that matter?
I'm not supposing anything about your life and it's alleged fullness,
but I suggested that if you insist on using the same fallable logic
as you have demonstrated you are capable of, you should expect the
same results.
See Harry it this kind of immature baby crap that
> you think you know something about us when you don't have a clue
that
> all I can do is just laugh.
I do know something about you Blayne, and you can laugh all you want.
You have been exposed. Nothing immature about it. But apparently
you're not comfortable with someone on the internet having that
knowledge about you.
>
> It's a good way though for you to avoid any meaningful discussion
and
> contemplation and continue on in your emotional illusion that you
know
> something we don't because we don't have the proper spirit blah blah
> BS. And of course when you can't argue with pure logic all you have
> left is this kind of religionist drivel.
There you go again, me and my alleged emotional illusions. tsk tsk
Your pure logic I can't argue with is a thing of naught in the light
of the truth, which you still haven't grasped. It really has little
to do with religionist drivel or baby crap.
>
> Yeah Harry you go on believing Chris/Josh whoever that he and you
> have some exclusive pipeline to the spirit that none of Gods other
> children have access to unless they bow to Chris's BS. What ever
blows
> your skirt up there Harry... LOL!
Actually, there is no exclusive pipeline to the spirit, if somebody
like me can recognize it. If you're happy with your conclusions, it
doesn't matter to me, but watching you waste your energy promoting a
lie about somebody you have never met, reminded
me of the tongue lashing you gave me your first day here. It's never
a bad thing to defend somebody who is not around to defend
themselves... not that Chris would want me to do it of course...
>
> > I see that John Cee has struggled to reconcile
> > the seemingly invincible evidence that Todd suffered to compile,
> > (sorry you had to go through that Todd, but you were driven [led]
by
> > an unclean spirit, which should have been obvious to you, as the
> > process was making you and then others... feel like vomiting). I
am
> > tempted to say nothing at all, and just leave you boys in your
smug
> > little worlds, but that wouldn't be what Christ would do, so I
have
> > to believe it won't cause me any joy either.
>
>
> Oh and the Christ like thing to do is for you to come and try and
rub
> our noses in some mystical one upem on us in thinking you have
> something that would just blow us all out of the water LOL! Take
your
> best shot. Me thinks if you had anything you would have already
tried
> to show us up so since you got nothing you come over here trying to
> dangle some mystical magical spritual carrot in front of us to see
if
> we will bite LOL!
Again, you have projected something onto me, that I had no inkling to
do, (try to show you up), so you are again wrongfully accusing me of
so
ething that perhaps YOU would do if you were in my shoes, knowing
what I know. Interesting revelation of yourself there. Hmmm?
>
>>
> > JJ, it is no surprise.
>>
> > All of you: Please take a minute and carefully re-think your
> > conclusions through again. Because some of you insisted on
finding
> > fault, you were given the means whereby to convict... or so it
would
> > seem. Are you ready to bet your soul that Chris is a wolf in
sheep's
> > clothing?
>
> This just gets more comical all the time Harry. First of all We do
not
> respond to threats and fear. Second our souls are not at stake here
if
> we don't bow to Chris or his alleged SP. That fact that you beleive
> that baby BS only shows how far down the emotional rabbit hole you
> have traveled.
Of course your souls are not at stake here, but the power of the soul
should be something of value to you right? I noticed that you did not
wager yours even though you want to act like this is such a joke,
which is notable.
>
> Wake up Harry. The father does not forsake his children for honest
> inquery, making mistakes, and following the highest they know.
I am awake Blayne. Honest inquery is not what you or the others have
demonstrated, so quit trying to pass it off as such. You are bent on
having your version of Chris and the Sealed Portion accepted as a
fact, based on some lame evidence gathered in your commendable quest
for truth.
"For he knows eventually they will find their way home"
Now look who is spewing out religionist drivel.
>
>>
> > This is a simple "Yea" or "Nay" vote which will in no way be
argued.
> > Based on what you think you know, vote your conscience.
>>
> > Yea or Nay.
>>
> > Gentlemen, place your bets.
>>
> > Harrdknocks
>
>
> Ooohhh aaahhhhh so if we vote wrong our souls will be eternally
damned
> for rejecting Chris and his fake SP LOL! So what are we votng on?
> Whether you should tell us your secret or not ?
>
> Listen Harry were all open if you have some proof we're wrong about
> Josh. I am willing to admit we were wrong if you can prove it, it's
> not a big deal. But why fault us for going with the available
evidence?
It was pretty obvious from the dozens of post you guys took the time
to share that you are pretty sure of yourselves. Not only were your
conclusions off target, but your reaction to your conclusions shows
what type of Spirit was ruling and reigning here. Only John Crane and
John Zielke were willing to cut Chris some slack for something by all
intents and purposes looked pretty bad. Not you. You wanted to see
him hang. You want to be forgiven for that? Sure thing Blayne.
>
> I do have to laugh at how Todd researching the IP addresses was
> somehow follwing some unclean spirit. Ah Harry it was just research
> and hard evidence there is nothing mystical or magical about it. It
is
> simply a record of the activity on Chris's computer to this list.
Are
> you really saying it was a sin to research it?
What you refer to as "just research" and "hard evidence" was neither.
It was a deliberate attempt to discredit somebody you don't want to
have to consider. If you're so convinced that he is a fake, then why
bother spending any time bashing him? I'm sure you have other Forums
to hang out at. Just go thy way and let the false prophet and his
fake Sealed Portion fade into nothingness, and just be happy.
>
> Frankly I don't care what you do as it won't change my view of Chris
> and his fake SP. And by the way if you have the spirit why haven't
you
> won the lottery yet since according to you if we have the spirit we
> should be able to know all things?
What a very dim light this reflects. This sounds like something from
your logical mind, that would never cross mine. I have no desire to
win any lottery. If I won it by some freak means I would not show up
to claim the winnings.
Here's a hint Harry; just because
> one has access to the library does not mean he has read all the
books
> in it yet ;)
Huh? This is saying what exactly?
>
> Oh and were still waiting on all that coufounding that was supposed
to
> take place :)
In less than one half of a clue where to look you will know the
truth. Not everyone has responded, which hopefully means they are
taking a hard look at the evidence, and that could mean I won't have
to divulge anything, as it will have been discovered by way of the
true Spirit of Love and Light.
Which of course would be better.
Harry
Re: [TheSealedPortion] The Holy Spirit witnessed to Todd...
Maybe in your research you can find a statement made by Chris condoning
Josh's behavior on this site, or even allowing it.
Are you that blind H.H.? Chris letting Josh use his computer only 5 minutes
after he posted is allowing it. He allowed Josh's behavior over 20 times in
his presence. He put forth no restraint, all he had to do was take his
laptop back.
Also you said you know who Josh really is but won't reveal it. If Josh is
still someone else like you claim, how does that help Chris? That would
still mean Chris is lying.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Re: [TheSealedPortion] Todd's research...
HH believe whatever floats your boat, it does not make it true, its the only rational
explanation you can come up with to fit your paridigm. Researching included having to read
his emails, looking at numbers, I do it all the time.
If you are certain it was a 'unclean spirit' then how and when, and what is the spirit's
name? Before going forward with it I prayed, and in Christ's name asked for the spirit of
protection to make sure I was doing the right thing.
But in the end, the evidence was always there at the end of every email, all I did was repost
the IPs. Wheter it was a unclean spirit or not, everyone now has evidence that would hold
up in a court of law that they were using the same computer and internet connection at the
same exact time, every time. There is not one bit of proof showing JF as ever being in Salt
Lake.
I have several person's opinion that the Holy Spirit worked through me, and your opinion
that it wasn't. Who should I believe? What makes your opinion the truth?
You oh so insightful wisdom into the matter still does not offer up any reasonable
explanation for the clear deception of them both using the same terminal at the same time.
Love and Light,
Todd (Enoch)
Re: The Holy Spirit witnessed to Todd...
I am not blind. You have produced no statement made by Chris
condoning or allowing Josh to proceed. Your conclusion about Chris
standing by while Todd spewed... putting forth no restraint, etc., is
presumptuous, but at least seems to be in keeping with the same
Spirit.
>>>If Josh is still someone else like you claim, how does that help
Chris? That would still mean Chris is lying.>>"Then THE SPIRIT told me they were the same person,...">>Before going forward with it I prayed, and in Christ's name asked
for the spirit of protection to make sure I was doing the right
thing.>>I have several person's opinion that the Holy Spirit worked
through me, and your opinion that it wasn't. Who should I believe?
What makes your opinion the truth? wrote:
>
>
> You forgot to answer this question:
>
> >>>"Then THE SPIRIT told me they were the same person,..."
> Which Spirit told you this?
>
To lay it to rest
(April 18 post 1169)
I wanted to stay out of the constant arguments and contentions of this group, especially when it has
nothing at all to do with the purpose of why this group was set up.
For a dear friend, who has asked, I am revealing now who Josh F. is NOT so that further contention might
cease.
A fictitious E-mail account was set up by a friend of mine who neither believes in God, nor in the sanctity
of my calling from God, but who knows my family and values me as a person who he loves and cares
about. He has had much involvement in watching The Sealed Portion grow from the time I finished the
translation.
As he read the posts against me, he asked if he could post against my enemies and say a few words of
encouragement to others, BUT ONLY IF I APPROVED. His idea was to set up an E-mail account that we
both had access to so that I could monitor what he wanted to post so as to keep any "false" doctrinal
expressions from coming out in his posts. I told him I would appreciate reviewing all of his posts before
allowing them to be sent. I have done this many times with others who wanted to make offerings to the
discussions of this work without saying anything I would not want said. They would simply give me the
access information to their E-mail accounts to reveiw what they wanted to write. In the future, if my
enemies persist, they will find the same thing happening time and time again, me becoming someone
else, who actually exits a part from me. (Wouldn't one think I should be trying to protect myself in this
way?)
"Josh" would write his posts and save them as "Drafts". He would also correspond with others involved in
this work from this E-mail address so that his true identity would not be discovered, fearing for his life
because of the personality traits of my enemies as he saw them.
I would access the fictitious account from my computer after receiving a notification from him that he had
something to post. I would go into the "Draft" section of the fictitious account, pull up what he had written
and send it on to the group after I had made any changes or edits I thought necessary.
Unfortunately, I felt there was more humor to his posts than most did, knowing "Josh" and his personality
traits. There were times that I edited his comments severely, and other times where I just let him be him.
I regret that his words were offensive, as I don't think anyone needs to take offense of another's words in
any situation--but that's my creed and belief.
When I was gone away, I asked "Josh" to monitor what was being said and make appropriate judgment of
a response, not wanting to take up any of my own time in responding to "deaf" ears. I would check my
personal E-mail every day and when I received notification from "Josh" that he had something ready to
post, I would access the account wherever I was at and forward the saved draft on to the group.
I can see where I should have stopped the charade and constant disparagement from "Josh", but I let
things go in humor, and can see that my enemies are persistent in claiming whatever they can to discredit
me and this very important work. I feel that anyone has the right to say anything one wishes, as my
enemies have so eloquently shown in their diatribes against me personnally.
Indeed, my insight was probably not the best as "Josh" became more virulent in his words, which, again, I
took as humorous and not offensive, knowing my enemies would take them the way they wished--seeing
evil where they want to see evil.
For the amusement of any who wish:
Here is the information to Josh's account so that you can all have some fun with it:
(Note: you will find some prepared posts in the "Draft" section of this E-mail account that you can send on
to yourselves if you wish, and then you, too, can become a "Josh". :-) )
Yahoo Mail user ID: joshfarnsworth2000
password: havingfun
I wish you all the best in your search for truth, but again testify to you all of the veracity of the work I have
been given to do for all of you, in spite of myself. :-)
Your Friend and Servant Always,
Christopher Nemelka, The Not "Josh" :-)
Re: To Lay It To Rest
Chris, this is total BS and you know it. Josh would reply to my
postings almost immediately, meaning who ever was using the account
had to be at your computer at that exact time. 90 percent of the
emails from "Josh" were written and sent at the same times you were at
the terminal, so explain that. I send an email to Josh, he replies
almost immediately meaning it was NOT a saved draft. This is the
lamest excuse yet that you can come up with.
If it were not for the spirit of prophecy and the second sight that I
have, I might believe you, but I can SEE YOU literally at your
computer typing those emails yourself, you can not hide from the
Lord, and the Lord has shown me your secret works, and I now in the
name of Christ show those secret works to the world.
Leave us Korihor.
====================================================
"Josh" would write his posts and save them as "Drafts". He would also
correspond with others involved in this work from this E-mail address
so that his true identity would not be discovered, fearing for his
life because of the personality traits of my enemies as he saw them.
I would access the fictitious account from my computer after receiving
a notification from him that he had something to post. I would go
into the "Draft" section of the fictitious account, pull up what he
had written and send it on to the group after I had made any changes
or edits I thought necessary.
Re: Harry Takes the Rap
Chris is Josh, he has pretty much admitted it by proving that it was
he sending out all those emails. HE personally read each email before
sending it out, so even if someone else wrote it, it was HIS
responsiblity and he would have had to somewhat agree with whatever
was written to send it out.
If I were to send out a terroristic threat over an anonymous email
address, from my home computer, then told the cops well someone else
wrote it, I just sent it out, and still offer NO proof whatsoever I
would find myself in jail.
Even with Chris' latest excuse it still shows he is a liar. He now
admits Josh is a made up identity, a made up email address. Where
before he testified that Josh was a real identity, a distinct and
separate person that anyone could meet and a real lawyer.
Chris, I testify that if you come up against real prophets of God, and
lie before them, and persecute them as you have, that the effects of
your actions will have bad consequences eventually. So have your fun
now all you can, I do not see anything but darkness and misery in
your future, and the sad part is you created it yourself. At the end
of it all you will be a lonely old man with hardly a friend in the
world, except for the Moroni's and Joseph Smith's in your head.
To Todd
OK, Jumpin' Jack Mormon,
Prophesy who this is and where he is typing from.
Re: To Lay It To Rest
I have to agree with Todd this is the lamest excuse and pretty much
seals the deal that Chris is Josh. Chris you missed your calling as a
politician. Sounds like something Bill Clinton would say.
Oh and then after Chris gives everyone access to the Josh account he
then has someone post from a different location to try make it appear
as if Josh is real and challanges to cehck that post. It's like the
gang who couldn't shoot straight LOL! Chris just steps in one cow pie
after another. This just gets more pathetic all the time.
So what was all that hoopla Harry was trying to pull like he had some
revelation on Josh that would blow us out of the water LOL!
Blayne
Re: To Todd
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Farnsworth"
wrote:
>
> OK, Jumpin' Jack Mormon,
>
> Prophesy who this is and where he is typing from.
Below is where you are typing from.
Who is it? A pain in my ass.
OrgName: Ameritech Electronic Commerce
OrgID: AMER
Address: 2701 W 15th ST
City: Plano
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75075
Country: US
NetRange: 144.160.0.0 - 144.160.255.255
CIDR: 144.160.0.0/16
NetName: AMERITECH13
NetHandle: NET-144-160-0-0-1
Parent: NET-144-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.SBCDNS.COM
NameServer: NS2.SBCDNS.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1990-12-13
Updated: 2003-06-17
TechHandle: JN409-ARIN
TechName: Nelson, John M.
TechPhone: +1-317-265-2859
TechEmail: jn4238@...
OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE7-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-648-1626
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@...
OrgNOCHandle: SUPPO-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Support - Southwestern Bell Internet Services
OrgNOCPhone: +1-800-648-1626
OrgNOCEmail: support@...
OrgTechHandle: IPADM4-ARIN
OrgTechName: IPAdmin-Ameritech
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-648-1626
OrgTechEmail: AITIPA@...
ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-04-17 19:10
Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
Re: To Todd
Hey Todd ... what does all this mean ??
Did Josh's e-mail originate from Texas??
If so, does Chris's e-mail(s) sent today (see other list) also come
from Texas? Maybe you've found a way to answer your querey without
anyones drivers licenses???
John Z
Re: To Todd
John,
Its moot it in no way clears Chris. In his latest post here as Josh he
gaves us the account access and wrote:
(Note: you will find some prepared posts in the "Draft" section of
this E-mail account that you can send on to yourselves if you wish,
and then you, too, can become a "Josh". :-) )
Yahoo Mail user ID: joshfarnsworth2000
password: havingfun
So becuase the post was from Texas proves nothing anyone can now
access the account and post from anywhere. The facts of the IP
research when Chris was posting as Josh still stand and this just
incriminates him more by proving he had the ability to post as Josh in
his attempt to try and shift the blame.
When will some of you folks wake up? Chris tries to claim it was all
in fun. I am suprised Harry has ignored what Chris said as Josh to him
in a couple of those posts
Blayne
Re: To Todd
It is quite clear the email that came today did not come from Chris'
computer BECAUSE he gave out the password to the account to everyone
on this mailing list. Point being, its worse than just Chris, he now
has an accomplice who thinks this is all one big game. I myself
tested out the password and logged onto Josh's email today, I checked
the "Drafts" Chris claimed were on there and all of them were written
today, nothing in the past proving anything.
And yes the original email sent out by Chris today under Josh's
account did trace back to Chris' computer, the second one traced to
whoever used it after the password was published publically, not
beforehand.
> Hey Todd ... what does all this mean ??
>
> Did Josh's e-mail originate from Texas??
> If so, does Chris's e-mail(s) sent today (see other list) also come
> from Texas? Maybe you've found a way to answer your querey without
> anyones drivers licenses???
>
> John Z
Joshua,
I see from one of Chris's posts that he wishes to honor his
committment to you by not revealing accurate details about your
person, which would lead to your discovery. You on the other hand you
come here taunting the boys thinking that you are safe, and in the
clear. If you wish to have your true identity revealed, just keep it
up. I know who you are, and I also love you, but your actions and
attitude are not funny or cute. Your choice to be an asshole on this
site ought to cease and desist, [immediately] unless you wish that I
remove the curtain you hide behind. The man you think you are
protecting ALSO desires this. Just so that you know I mean business,
the second letter of your middle name is 'a'.
If you really wish to be a loyal friend and brother to Chris, think
about respecting his wishes. I can handle these guys and their
insults, and so can Chris. So to put it in legal terms, "Your
services are no longer needed". Are we clear?
Beyond that, I want you to know I have been thinking about you alot
these last few days since it dawned on me who you are. I would like
to send some of my thoughts to you in a private e-mail (not the
ficticious one) that I'm sure Chris and a few others have, if you
don't mind. Only now am I disappointed that you, (for whatever
reason) did not attend the Press Conference, I would have liked to
meet you in person, even if you had been posing as someone not
yourself.
By the way, Jodi also figured it out without me telling her, which is
how anyone who wants to, can know without a doubt. Cool thing about
that is, when they do, (if they do), they will have done it because
they love you unconditionally, just as I'm sure Chris does... and
your identity will remain undisclosed, because who would want to go
against the wishes of someone they love?
Not me.
Harry
Your (elder) brother and friend,
Harry
Re: Joshua Farnsworth
ROTFLMAO! Give it up Harry the fasad is exposed...
Blayne
Blayne,
You should listen to yourself sometime. You are full of disgust. Just
because somebody declines to give you what you want, you attack
wildly. Giving you what you want (and when you want it) is just plain
bad behavior, and I won't do it. You logically assume that because
you haven't been given the keys to the old truck, that it must be
because the thing is a piece of shit that doesn't run and no one
wants you to know the truth about it. Yep, that sounds like Blayne's
World alright. If I don't tell you, it must mean I am bad, that I am
a liar, or lost in some emotional rabbit hole. It can't possibly mean
anything else.
Well the car runs, and it runs great, and no amount of badgering or
intimidating the person with the keys will get you the keys. I don't
have to tell you who Josh Farnsworth is, because nobody told me. It's
common knowledge everywhere in the universe, but in your little deaf
and dumb world. You have been denied knowledge of the truth of this
subject because of you and you alone. I'm thinking that Chris would
rather I didn't know, or that Jodi doesn't know, but that's just too
bad. I imagined I would have told you by now, but I never got moved
to, and now I know why.
This exercise in discovering who Josh Farnsworth is, (and isn't) has
been the perfect teaching example, probably divinely arranged just
for you and the others. All I see out of you and Todd are failed
attempts to make heads or tails out of what is going on and exposing
your true characters for what they are. Everyone is sinning to beat
the band here and over there but you two, who by the way are being
led and justified to do and say what you do and say, which to anyone
looking on, looks and sounds nothing like what any righteous person
might do or what might come out of Christ's mouth. Congratulations on
such a superb demonstration of your type of works.
I stand all amazed.
Think before you reply, (if you choose to).
There's plenty of time to get it right.
Harry
Re: Joshua Farnsworth
It's spelled 'facade', and I wasn't talking to you. I will however
consider moving on. Everyone has suggested that I leave this group,
and leave you to yourselves, but I just haven't felt moved to do any
such thing. I'm starting to believe I am not making any difference,
so I'll give it one more day and see what develops.
Harry
Harry and the Clowns
Your a real hoot Harry you got nothing and you never had anything. I
just had to laugh that you guys were still trying to perpetuate the
fasad.
You see it doesn't matter if you give someones name and claim this is
the real Josh, that does not refute the IP evidence and writing style.
It's just your word which is not evidence. And that's all you have
been doing is telling us we are wrong and you know it and we must be
stupid to not figure it out blah blah, but you have failed miserably
to provide a single shred of evidence to support any of your claims.
It became quite clear after your first couple of posts that you had
nothing. I played along as it has been quite entertaiing but there is
just nothing left to do but laugh at the complete circus you guys have
made of it.
And now to top it off you try to act like you have something I want so
again I just had to laugh. Josh may be a real person but that still
doesn't matter Chris was posting as Josh becuase there along with the
evidence there is one thing that proves it but you guys have
overlooked it ;)
Oh and if you think I was attacking you certainly have little clue,
trust me you would know if I was attacking. You guys must be hooked up
to an IV drip of the kool-aid. You seemed a little smarter then the
rest of the sheep Harry but apparently either I was wrong or your just
to emotionally attached to the whole fasad and it is overiding your
commone sense.
Anyways you can continue the fasad if you like it was entertaining for
a while but it's getting boring now.
Blayne
Why Some Fall for Chris’s Deception
Many Mormons or those of Mormon background are very vulnerable to
Chris's deception particularly those that are frustrated with the
Churches lack of progress and it's descent into mainstream
Christianity and of course those excommunicated etc. The reason is
because it appears to them it is a culmination of all the teachings of
Mormonism they have been emotionally attached to for all there lives
or at least their church lives that the church has been ignoring.
So Chris plagiarizes truths from those teachings gets people to pray
and they get some warm fuzzies over those truths and then he switches
on them to his mission/SP etc. it's classic bait and switch.
Try an experiment. Say the words Jesus Christ 3 times out loud note
how you feel before and then how you feel after you say it. It
initiates a certain vibration that feels good to us.
Notice how Chris uses lots of "buzz" words like this in his posts and
writings. Born again Preachers do the same thing, as do many
religionists including the Mormon Church, they do this with the Book
of Mormon. Take any words like Holy Ghost, God the Father or others
you can think of and try the same experiment you'll get the same results.
Chris's deception is that he convinces people that if they get this
vibration from theses buzzwords he uses then it must follow that he is
who or what he says he is. This is the reason God gave us reason and
logic! That is why so many fall for so many different churches gurus
groups etc. THEY TURN OFF THEIR REASON AND LOGIC, which goes hand and
hand with the spirit. Reason logic and the spirit form a holy trinity
of sorts for discerning the truth of all things.
Once they become emotionally attached it often becomes extremely
difficult for them to see the truth as they will ignore obvious
evidence and facts all in favor of thier emotional attachment.
As an Example Harry was having doubts especially when he caught Chris
lying when Chris left this list. Chris as Josh even called him some of
the worst obscenities. Even if Harry believes Chris is not Josh Chris
then he would have to beleive Chris forwarded the posts apparently
thinking it was funny (even though it was quite insulting to Harry) as
he mentioned here in his latest post.
It looked for a moment as if Harry might snap out of it. But
apparently it was too late his emotional attachment to his Mormon
paradigm overrode his reason and logic and he ignored all those lies
and Chris's deceptive behavior then and on a number of other occasion
and is now here defending him and denying he posted as Josh etc.
despite the hard evidence to the contrary
Some of these folks get on here and drone on about how they know it's
true and some like Harry try to defend it to us and even condemn
reason and logic as bad to try and dissuade us. As the saying goes
they can't see the forest for the trees, and I'll add because of the
emotional fog obscuring their vision.
It's quite an interesting phenomena and potentially could hurt a lot
of people.
Blayne
Re: Why Some Fall for Chris's Deception
Blayne,
This is really helpful in understanding where you're coming from, but
it is far from being accurate, (at least the part concerning me, so I
assume it is also inaccurate for others as well), but that's okay.
I have said before that your conclusion base is flawed, but you're
still not buying it. When you have all the facts, and not just the
ones you have, you will see that you are way off the mark. You're
writing your thesis paper too soon. You need the rest of the data,
some of which I can provide without hurting anyone.
For example, you don't know why anybody did ANYTHING they did. You
just see the actions, and I promise you you have misjudged everyone,
which is gonna come back on ya. At least you are sincerely decieved,
and not just being a jerk.
Another thing, at the moment, it may seem like it doesn't matter who
Josh is, as you're focussing on the alleged crime committed. You are
not understanding my reactions, (or lack of), because you can't see
and don't know the things I do. That's why I thought I would try to
contact you offline, maybe in person, as it could take all my sleep
time to put it in writing.
If not, Oh well, you have enough for you, right or wrong.
We'll all get passed it to our individual satisfaction regardless.
Harry
Blayne,
I thought I was sending you an e-mail, (twice) by clicking the e-mail
button at the top near your name, but nothing shows up in my sent file,
or here?? wierd. Did you get anything?
I was trying to remember if you said you were from around Boise area,
which is where I am right now, for a few more hours probably, but now
it's getting late and I've still got 400 miles ahead of me, soo...
I was thinking it might not be a bad idea to have a sit down, but it
doesn't look like that is happening this time around. I like it more
when things just seem to work out. I especially like it when things
work out and I didn't have anything to do with the arrangements, but
that's another deal altogether.
Sorry for the distraction action,
Harry
Re: Why Some Fall for Chris's Deception
I just got your emails in my yahoo account. I am really not interested
in meeting with you at this point. As there is no reason why you can't
privately email at least the important points to me if you really
have something you feel will prove what your saying.
As I said early on I have no problem admitting I am wrong if ample
evidence is available. As I also said there is one thing you guys are
overlooking that definately identifies Chris I am not going to reveal
it because as long as he is unaware of it, it will continue to reveal
him everytime. And it won't convince the kool-aid drinkers anyways.
Blayne
Re: Why Some Fall for Chris's Deception
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "H. H. Dschaak"
wrote:
>
>
> Blayne,
>
> This is really helpful in understanding where you're coming from, but
> it is far from being accurate, (at least the part concerning me, so I
> assume it is also inaccurate for others as well), but that's okay.
What part about you was wrong?
Your post 851 clearly shows your doubt, here are a couple of excerpts:
"I have to say that it is very telling to see our Dear Brother
[Chris]and Humble Servant "pull" such a stunt. We are obviously not
worth the bother..."
"I see that Alex is still here, (again, contrary to the
report[Chris]), and yes Alex, if you read this, please send me the
stuff on Thiobudda
whatever."
"Afterall, we lower life forms are again left to ourselves to learn as
we ALWAYS have,(without the true Holy Spirit of course) while the
deserving privileged few (good luck girls) prepare to gather in
private for special one-on-one tutoring and other feel-good
stuff.EEEEE-HAAAWWW!"
You were actually on the right track here Harry but to bad your
emotional attachment got the better of you.
>
> I have said before that your conclusion base is flawed, but you're
> still not buying it. When you have all the facts, and not just the
> ones you have, you will see that you are way off the mark. You're
> writing your thesis paper too soon. You need the rest of the data,
> some of which I can provide without hurting anyone.
Yeah yeah you keep dangling these elusive facts in front of us. Then
please give us all the facts Harry if you got them. With all the posts
you've wrtten trying to dangle the supposed facts you could have
easily posted them all if they exist.
>
> For example, you don't know why anybody did ANYTHING they did. You
> just see the actions, and I promise you you have misjudged everyone,
> which is gonna come back on ya. At least you are sincerely decieved,
> and not just being a jerk.
Actions speak a lot louder then words Harry. You can promise all you
like Harry but as the saying goes evidence talks and bullshit walks!
>
> Another thing, at the moment, it may seem like it doesn't matter who
> Josh is, as you're focussing on the alleged crime committed. You are
> not understanding my reactions, (or lack of), because you can't see
> and don't know the things I do. That's why I thought I would try to
> contact you offline, maybe in person, as it could take all my sleep
> time to put it in writing.
>
> If not, Oh well, you have enough for you, right or wrong.
>
> We'll all get passed it to our individual satisfaction regardless.
>
> Harry
>
Well Harry even if you could prove Chris did not post as Josh that
still does not excuse his rude behavior his lies of which I proved at
his challenge to prove him doing it, and you even caught him doing it
and attacks on anyone asking questions. If you notice JJ has not
lashed out a single time even though he would be well jusified for the
unwarranted attacks by Chris you and Josh on him, yet Chris is the one
always claiming he loves everyone often right after he has condemned
them to hell.
Also it doen't even address all the points JJ has posted of the
problems with Chris's SP which have gone completely unchallenged. The
pat answer is just pray and it will all magically fall into place.
Chris tries to act like we're just out to get him for no good reason.
When in fact he attacked us and then when we defended ourselve he
claimed we where some evil enemies sent to get him from traight from
hell or something. You just have to laugh at the theatrics.
But hey just pray and the growing mountain of evidence that proves him
a fraud and deceiver will magically dissapear. You guys give new
meaning to the phrase "me thinks you protesteth to much" You are
trying way to hard to try and prove him innocent. I wouldn't be
suprised if Chris called you to some calling to try and confound us.
Which is another joke. The great confounder is subdued in his little
conclave frustrated as hell that he can't get away with his BS as
long as thinking folks like us are around to expose it.
Blayne
Re: To Lay It To Rest
Brother Chris,
Please see my comments interspersed.
BM
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, Josh Farnsworth
wrote:
> I wanted to stay out of the constant arguments and contentions of
this group, especially when it has nothing at all to do with the
purpose of why this group was set up.
>
> For a dear friend, who has asked, I am revealing now who Josh F. is
NOT so that further contention might cease.
>
> A fictitious E-mail account was set up by a friend of mine who
neither believes in God, nor in the sanctity of my calling from God,
but who knows my family and values me as a person who he loves and
cares about. He has had much involvement in watching The Sealed
Portion grow from the time I finished the translation.
BM: You say "Josh F." does not believe in God, but loves you and your
family. I see this from a non-believer viewpoint as realistic since
there are many who do not believe in God, but still have the
attribute of loving one another. However, what puzzles me are the
words, "...He has had much involvement in watching The Sealed Portion
grow..." If someone who truly didn't believe in God, but was
INVOLVED with your dessertation, then the plausibility of him having
an interest to PROVE God seems highly suspect. This type of
characteristic in an atheist is common, but then your next statement
seems strange to me:
Chris:
> As he read the posts against me, he asked if he could post against
my enemies and say a few words of encouragement to others, BUT ONLY
IF I APPROVED. His idea was to set up an E-mail account that we both
had access to so that I could monitor what he wanted to post so as to
keep any "false" doctrinal expressions from coming out in his posts.
I told him I would appreciate reviewing all of his posts before
allowing them to be sent.
BM: This mindset alarms me brother. You said, "...BUT ONLY IF I
APPROVED..." You mean you APPROVED his malicious words against your
enemies? I do not understand how you define love unfeigned brother.
When someone approves another's email as a sentinel, if you will,
then the sentinel condones the approved words. I disagree this is
the will of the Lord in this application brother. Surely the Lord
would have told you to "...love your enemy..."
Chris:
I have done this many times with others who wanted to make offerings
to the discussions of this work without saying anything I would not
want said. They would simply give me the access information to their
E-mail accounts to reveiw what they wanted to write. In the future,
if my enemies persist, they will find the same thing happening time
and time again, me becoming someone else, who actually exits a part
from me. (Wouldn't one think I should be trying to protect myself in
this way?)
BM: Brother Chris, my Daddy taught me to speak my own mind, and say
what I wanted to say. However, I would give an accounting to God for
EVERY word I utter. What's interesting is with this type of mindset,
I do not have to explain my words as another's interpretation or even
feelings, but are my words as clearly published. I will also be held
accountable for MY words just as you will yours my friend. I
admonish you to stand and be accountable for every word you utter my
friend before all men that you will stand upright before God that
last day. Otherwise, hide behind your facade and illusions, IMO.
Chris:
> "Josh" would write his posts and save them as "Drafts". He would
also correspond with others involved in this work from this E-mail
address so that his true identity would not be discovered, fearing
for his life because of the personality traits of my enemies as he
saw them.
>
> I would access the fictitious account from my computer after
receiving a notification from him that he had something to post. I
would go into the "Draft" section of the fictitious account, pull up
what he had written and send it on to the group after I had made any
changes or edits I thought necessary.
BM: Like I said, you approved it Bud? I'm ashamed of ya. And this is
your example of a loving Christian? WOW! I'm impress beyond all
reasoning.
Chris:>
> Unfortunately, I felt there was more humor to his posts than most
did, knowing "Josh" and his personality traits. There were times
that I edited his comments severely, and other times where I just let
him be him. I regret that his words were offensive, as I don't think
anyone needs to take offense of another's words in any situation--but
that's my creed and belief.
>
> When I was gone away, I asked "Josh" to monitor what was being said
and make appropriate judgment of a response, not wanting to take up
any of my own time in responding to "deaf" ears. I would check my
personal E-mail every day and when I received notification
from "Josh" that he had something ready to post, I would access the
account wherever I was at and forward the saved draft on to the group.
>
> I can see where I should have stopped the charade and constant
disparagement from "Josh", but I let things go in humor, and can see
that my enemies are persistent in claiming whatever they can to
discredit me and this very important work. I feel that anyone has the
right to say anything one wishes, as my enemies have so eloquently
shown in their diatribes against me personnally.
BM: If this be so brother, then I would have been man enough to
declare such right up front instead of this wishy washy peddling of
the so called facts. Regarding the HUMOR of it all? Brother, there
was no humor in his obscenities, and any God fearing man should see
this quite clear. Honestly brother, you have not conveyed enough
evidence to prove our evaluation of identity and character is nothing
other than schizopfrenic because many applications seem to flow to
that particular aspect, IMO. I have nothing against you brother
except leading innocent astray with questionable doctrine. Second is
your switch bait tactics to lure the ignorant souls as you play with
their heart strings. This is what I stand against you brother.
Regarding addressing the JF scenario, honestly you only opened
pandora box, IMO.
Brother Merritt
rest erased.....
I find all this "Joshua Farnsworth" mystery chat humorous in a
pathetic sort of way.
Often I've heard the cry on either side "I know ... I have evidence",
only to be followed by either silence, or "but I'm not going to (or
can't) reveal it." I can almost hear the child mocking "I've got a
secret, and yoooou don't, ha - ha ha ha - ha"
Has no one the guts to speak-up and put what they know on the table?
Or, to admit they don't really have squat? Todd? Harry? Blayne?
What do either of you REALLY know, and what will you admit you DON'T
really know?
And I'm sorry, but all the back and forth criticism doesn't solve
much, does it! Too much testosterone?
John Z
"If he would simply say, yes I was wrong, it was me, and I confess
before the Lord, forgive me. I would gladly forgive him and move on.
I have forgiven him already."
Your contradicting yourself. If you've already forgiven him why are
you still going round and round with the Joshua Farnsworth subject.
If someone tells an alleged lie, and the person they told it to has
already forgiven them, then it is between the Lord and the individual.
Also,
Double vision, pc Anywhere, gotomypc.com etc.etc. Are all available
to use and if done right I could patch myself through to anyone's
computer (with their passwords) and send e-mails that would only be
traceable back to them.
I'm not giving anyone an excuse, but I just don't think you guys are
getting anywhere with this subject. At least JJ is giving his opinion
on the book that started this group.
"Part of my gift is seeing into peoples hearts, and true intentions,
despite their outward appearance, for their lips may speak close to
him but their hearts may be far from him."
I must confess I am intrigued, what can I tell you about myself that
would have you look into my heart and my true intentions? If everyone
is so big on evidence then I don't know how else to believe that
Todd "knows" Chris better than I do.
Alesa Re: All Huff & Bluff -- Has no one the guts to speak-up?
What the hell are you talking about John? We have put the evidence on
the table that proves Chris posted as Josh. The only one here claiming
they have evidence and never bringing it forth is Harry.
Then Chris comes forth POSTING AS JOSH with some cock and bull story
about why He posted as Josh confirming he did infact post as
Josh...Sigh! What more do you need to see the truth?
So for you to sit here and act like we are doing the same thing is
just amazing. I did say there is one thing the identifies Chris that
they are overlooking but I also said it wouldn't convince the kool-aid
drinkers of which you have apparently become one so I would not reveal
it as there is no need with the current evidence already on the table.
The evidence already presented easily convicts Chris.
I find it amazing you remained quit through a whole slew of Harry's
posts trying to dangle his supposed evidence in front of us and then
all of a sudden you decide to claim were all doing the same
thing...Sigh!
Now if you would care to refute the current evidence or at least point
out to us where you think it is flawed and why, please proceed and
stop trying to falsely associate us with Harry's pathetic attempt to
claim he has evidence but never brings any forth and keeps making
excuses as to why he won't!
I am truly suprised at you John of all people.
Blayne
Re: All Huff & Bluff -- Has no one the guts to speak-up?
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "hawkiye55"
wrote:
Blayne asks:
What the hell are you talking about John? We have put the evidence
on the table that proves Chris posted as Josh. The only one here
claiming they have evidence and never bringing it forth is Harry.
Then answers his own question:
I DID say there is one thing the identifies Chris that
they are overlooking but I also said it wouldn't convince the kool-
aid drinkers of which you have apparently become one so I would not
reveal it as there is no need with the current evidence already on
the table.
JZ:
Sorry Blayne, never have been a kool-aid fan. I join many lists to
learn what truth I can find. Sometimes it takes more digging than
others.
=========
Blayne:
Then Chris comes forth POSTING AS JOSH with some cock and bull story
about why He posted as Josh confirming he did infact post as
Josh...Sigh! What more do you need to see the truth?
JZ:
I'm curious -- what makes it a "cock and bull story". Is it not
possible that it could be the truth? If so then there
is "reasonable doubt". To answer your question, I need "beyond a
reasonable doubt". The so-called "evidence" does not do that. What
Chris said was that he took posts authored by someone else and
placed in a "Draft" file which he had access to, and sent them on to
the SP List. I repeat my question: If anyone has any evidence that
will add light to this, present it, or stop claiming it exists. One
or the other.
=======
Blayne:
The evidence already presented easily convicts Chris.
I find it amazing you remained quit through a whole slew of Harry's
posts trying to dangle his supposed evidence in front of us and then
all of a sudden you decide to claim were all doing the same
thing...Sigh!
Now if you would care to refute the current evidence or at least
point out to us where you think it is flawed and why, please
proceed and stop trying to falsely associate us with Harry's
pathetic attempt to claim he has evidence but never brings any forth
and keeps making excuses as to why he won't!
JZ:
I didn't remain "quiet". It was Harry's claim of evidence that
motivated me to write what I did. So yes, I agree totally, that
Harry is part of those that claim to have some knowledge or
evidence, then refuses to bring it forth. But you did as well (as
you pointed out above).
As far as "evidence" goes, when I asked one question, the air-tight
proof fizzed away. Read the following posts and see for yourself.
JZ Post #1065 April 8, 2005
Todd,
Could you trace the following two e-mails sent by Joshua:
#896 3/30 4:54am "Better than SP"
#913 3/31 4:02am "Dewey, the Asswipe"
#917 3/31 7:09am "
#919 3/31 7:16am "
#922 3/31 7:25am "
#924 3/31 7:27am "
Reason I picked those is that the Lemon Grove Library does not open
until 10am (at least according to their recording: 619-463-9819).
John Z
-------------
TODD Post #1067 April 8, 2005
Perhaps these link to Chris' personal laptop.
The traceroute no longer bounce around the country, possibly since
the static IP has rebooted since then but the first post here #896
still traces to San Diego. So that would place Josh in San Diego
still, and still using the same computer terminal Chris was using at
the same time. Also note the times on the Yahoo emails I don't
believe are reflected in real time. I am noticing even my postings
are showing as 7:15 Am, when I actually sent the post in the
afternoon on the east coast after my daughter got home from school,
which is about 4pm EST, so not sure whats screwing up the times.
68.101.209.202
Thats the last we hear from him.
========
JZ: Interestingly enough, we hear recently from "Joshua Farnsworth"
and where does Todd trace it to? Plano, Tx … right near Forth
Worth. Small world.
========
Joshua Farnsworth Post #1173 April 18, 2005
OK, Jumpin' Jack Mormon,
Prophesy who this is and where he is typing from.
TODD Post # 1175 April 18, 2005
Below is where you are typing from.
Who is it? A pain in my ass.
OrgName: Ameritech Electronic Commerce
OrgID: AMER
Address: 2701 W 15th ST
City: Plano
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75075
Country: US
========
Blayne:
I am truly suprised at you John of all people.
JZ:
I try hard NOT to rush to judgment (sometimes more successful at it
than others). If you expected otherwise, then yes, you should be
surprised.
John Z
Re: All Huff & Bluff -- Has no one the guts to speak-up?
Hi John Zee,
I take it you have not figured it out yet.
You should or can know that you don't need anyone here to "speak up"
so that you can know the truth about all this, which if you ever do,
will cause you to understand, and hopefully fill you with quiet
peace. Blayne does not know the whole truth, and is not interested in
knowing the whole truth, and therefore has limited understanding,. He
is satisfied with his lame conclusions, because they fit his esoteric
philosophies. I offered to meet with him personally and discuss all
of this, maybe clear up some things, and show him I am not in some
corner with no way out, and he has said he has no interest in meeting
with me to discuss this, which to me says enough. He admits he might
be wrong about a few things, but no new light is going to cause him
to change his mind, and that is sufficient response to me to leave
him to himself, believing whatever he wants to about me, or Chris, or
anyone.
Todd does not know the whole truth, and like Blayne is also satisfied
with his conclusions. The so called gifts he has are his guide to
happiness, yet they for some reason haven't revealed to Todd the
simple truth along with it's pure understandings. Todd has publicly
judged Chris and wagered everything near and dear to himself that his
gifts have not failed him. Who can argue with that? Not me.
JJ has not surprisingly avoided engaging in this little discussion,
even though it was one of his early morning brainstorms that started
it. He says he is 100% sure Chris is Josh, (heh, heh) excepting only
that if Josh is NOT Chris, that Chris has abused another persons
identity... well, so much for early morning dawnings. He is intent on
showing what the Sealed Portion is not. I read his posts and just
have to smile…
Brother Merritt, in his rush to establish his presence among the
Holy, as expected, has taken the position of the highest moral
ground and in my opinion is 'somewhat' justified, if one chooses to
point a finger at the sinner. I myself, have not been delighted to
discover recently that Chris (in any way) had a hand in presenting
someone else's raspy allocades towards those non-receptive members of
this group. Normally, I could see myself doing stupid stuff, but I
would have thought Chris incapable of such a stunt. I say "normally"
I would have... but I have the advantage of knowing who Joshua Farns
(wroth) is, and in light of that, I can see why Chris was tempted to
get involved in such unflattering activity. That doesn't mean I
approve, believe me. Where even Bro. Merritt has judged correctly
according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, (Do unto others, etc) it
would have been better not to judge, but to just forgive first,
(like I must have) so the truth could descend on him, (like it must
have for me/us). Had I been stuffed up with similar understandings as
the boys who have been grappling with this have, you can bet I would
be going about tearing Chris and his Book to shreds, but that isn't
going to happen over something like this. It is truly a shame that
what Chris 'allowed/facilitated' to happen , ever did, and it will be
hard to know the true extent of the damages anytime soon. As you
know, I was part of that barrage of childish insults, but to me it is
like it never happened, meaning I blame no one. The verbal attacks
never phased me, as I know I am none of what Josh/Whoever claimed I
am. Regardless of how I or anyone else chose to handle it, it appears
however, that it didn't take God long to reel Chris in.
A visit down memory lane.
Most of what is being considered in the big Josh-is-Chris discussion
actually occurred right around Easter, before the Press Conference,
which was also about the time Chris posted his infamous "The Spirit
is Grieved" post telling this group "Goodbye". I assumed wrongfully,
(not having understanding), that I had something to do with it. I
posted a humble post in reply to Kimberly's heartfelt testimony, and
was answered instead by Sheri Salcedo on March 26th. I posted the
whole dialogue just for the record, but I would like to draw
attention to what Sheri wrote in the first few lines only. Chris got
busted, for abusing his position, and when the Spirit became Grieved,
you can bet the imps and demons in the Spirit world watching were
overjoyed to be blessed with some seemingly killer ammunition. (Now
where do you suppose they went with it?) Ahem…
Hey brother Harry,
I 'm not sure if I told you before, but I have been a
close friend to Christopher for almost one year now. Please believe
me when I say Chris did not leave the group because of you. You can't
imagine the unconditional love that he has for you and all of us. And
I have witnessed his grieved spirit during the last few days as he
has had to for our own good leave this group. You have given me an
incredible amount of joy as I have gotten to know you through your
post. Please if there is anyway you can come to the press conf, and
meet Chris all your doubts and anxieties will leave you. Remember in
the Sealed Portion where it states that Lucifer will influence people
into not meeting with him. I wonder why???? You and Jodi are welcome
to stay in my humble abode and eat all the veggies you can find .
Think about it and call if you'd like.619 562-1399.
Be happy Brother and always
remember where doubt and confusion comes from.
Your sister and
friend,
Sheri
"H. H. Dschaak" wrote:
Hello Kimberly Wallis, and Happy Easter to you.
I'm in one of those places where I'm questioning my own sanity.
Blayne's words to you remind me of my own to others during the years
that I was unknowingly weaning myself from the LDS Church. They make
sense to the logical mind which I inherited from my Mother in Heaven.
Some harry stuff here...
As a convert (after High School) and then a missionary in Bolivia,
and then a young married with our first child, I thought I had truly
died and had gone to heaven, as being a member of the only true
Church on the face of the Earth meant I would eventually know the
answers to the mysteries of the Universe. Those were truly happy
times, for a very lost little boy. As I began to interface with
members through Church callings and raise in the ranks, it began to
dawn on me that not all things were up for discussion, and that I
would be left to myself to make sense out of them. It was during this
period, that I had began to see Church leaders as just well meaning
men, trying to do the best they can with what they had. It was not
enough for me. I decided to go up to 'an high mountain' as Enos did,
thinking I would one day be back with the answers to my questions,
and be able to rejoin the fold with my insights and serve out the
remainder of my days faithfully. Well, the further I got away from
the suits, the stronger I felt. There were some who came after me(us)
to try to regather us, but nothing they had to offer was enough. I
didn't care about the things they cared about. My family (although
being important to me) was not more important to me than anyone
else's. I didn't see it as my responsibility to make sure my family
made it to the Celestial Kingdom, and Doctrines and Principles of the
Gospel just became dogmas, that I couldn't teach. It's hard to
remember exactly, but I think it has been about 14 years since I
attended a meeting, but it doesn't seem that long.
Discovering the Sealed Portion was not an answer to any prayer of
mine, because I don't really pray anymore. My finding it was
accidental, which follows perfectly with my way of being able to
accept things that are right for me. I really have no goal of
anything, and am not in a hurry to get anywhere. This is not to say
I'm laid back or that 'my way' works for anybody else, or that it
even always works. IN fact, I have spent most of my adult life
recovering from dream dates gone south. My dream date right now is
the Sealed Portion. I have literally carried pages of it with me
every day since I first printed it out, and now that I got a copy
from Jack, it's even better. I have not cared who wrote it, or how it
got here. I have had very few problems with it like others here (and
not here) who have, and I find that the more I download into my brain
(have read it almost twice now) the less words I see, and the more it
shows in the life going on around me. It is more than I had hoped it
would be.
Having reached this level of trust, I am just now, finally, able to
wonder more about it's origins. I gain great peace in the thought
that it is an abridgement from ancient records hidden up by Moroni,
especially prepared for our day. I appreciate what Chris has done,
but now I'm stumbling over the idea that Chris is what he claims to
be. The fact that he is a confessed liar, who would ever do some of
the things he has done, for the reasons he claims to have done them,
didn't used to bother me. I know that no man called to be a prophet
is a God, or perfect, or all knowing. Chris has made enough apologies
for his behaviors in our group to consider him just an ordinary guy
like me, who had a specific job to do, did it and oh well. However,
the last few days he was orbiting this discussion group, I saw
something else; I saw an ordinary man transcend into someone "Wholer
than thou" with his special DNA and eyes that can see clearly and
challenging his enemies to snake gobbling and wet wood burning
contests. None of it was convincing to me, as I was having my own
problems with his arrogance and righteous indignation, having just
barely read the Ben Fulton expose about his past relationships, his
practice at writing the Sealed Portion for the plygs, etc. At the
same time, (and the timing seems relevant) he was willing to lose me
from the fold if I couldn't handle his words. It didn't matter to me
what the subject material was, it was his priesthood in action that
was turning me off, and to which I am still recoiling from. I hate
priesthood. It is too closely related to priestcraft for somebody
like me who has time and time again been proven to have poor
judgement.
So we aren't always able to see eye to eye, big whoop.
When I asked him to explain why (in the Sealed Portion )there is no
mention of, or no counsel about the "alleged" extraterrestrial
presence hoop-la in the latter days of which we live... the Spirit
became grieved and he left straight-away, taking his stones and his
pearls with him. That pretty much means I'm a pig doesn't it?
This is the same reaction I got from the LDS Church, which according
to the SP and Chris (and me)is the Church of the Devil. This is what
happens to anyone, in politics, or religion, or the media, or the
community, or the family, who persists with this line of questioning.
Myself, I hate the subject, but I have experience that is not phased
in the least by the words "vivid imagination". To hear these words is
crushing... because it means what I behold with my natural eyes is
nothing if it doesn't line up with the Lamb food. Joseph Smith
understood my plight well in his paraphrased words "..I knew it, and
I knew that God knew it... and therefore I could not deny it" My
experience is not my own only, but is shared. I bed down with the
insane and the derelict and the weak and the sickly who have no hope
of redemption until one who can heal us comes along.
I believe there is an explanation for everything and Chris's
explantaion about these forbidden subjects did not gobble up the
snakes all around me. They remain still, and so to him, and the order
of which you belong, I am lost.
It was his job to confound me, and he definitely did.
I have had happier Easters.
Harry
--- In TheSealedPortion@yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Wallis"
wrote:
>
> My Dear Brothers and Sisters,
>
> As many of us have allowed our "spiritual taste buds" to be changed
> through faith, repentence, (true) baptism-by-immersion, and the
Holy
> Spirit, we have developed a taste that can no longer be satiated by
> the attempts of many of those who are currently actively posting in
> this group.
> The shepherd who has fed us the "truly delicious" and satisfying
food
> of the soul is STILL feeding us. We have followed him. You may
> postulate all you want as to our true motives. You may deride
Chris
> and The Sealed Portion all you desire. But, when you are finished,
> and when you yourself want to eat of the "fruit of the Tree of
Life",
> then I, for one, encourage you with my whole heart to come join us.
>
> I have written, and ask Chris to add to the Testimonies
section, "My
> Testimony of the Sealed Portion". I have copied it and add it
here,
> so that you may read it if you desire.
>
> I love you, dear brothers and sisters.
>
> Have a truly glorious Easter.
>
> Your sister,
>
> Kimberly
As I told you (John) in an e-mail, in the beginning, I never took the
Josh Farnsworth-is-Chris thing seriously. It only interested me when
I got back because the boys were still so determined that they were
onto something big. Something to prove Chris isn't anyone they need
to consider, and that the Book is contrived. I had to smile within
myself as I could actually SEE how and, more importantly, WHY, they
were missing the point.
. It seemed like a great opportunity to show by
example how easy it is to draw the wrong conclusions without the help
of the, uh… true spirit, but this has not produced much of anything
worthwhile. It's been interesting, but disappointing for everyone, as
no one budged one inch from their original stance.
Oh well.
Like they say… "To each his own".
Harry (April 20, 2005 post 1208)
This is all my fault
Blayne has spoken:
"Now if you would care to refute the current evidence or at least point
out to us where you think it is flawed and why, please proceed and
stop trying to falsely associate us with Harry's pathetic attempt to
claim he has evidence but never brings any forth and keeps making
excuses as to why he won't!"
Had I never returned to this site and attempted to stop a runaway
train, the train would have just run away... till it settled out on
it's own, to whatever end.
There's an old saying that goes something like this "If you don't
change your ways, you're going to get where you're headed"
As long as you like the sound of this, then I do too.
What I offered as evidence, was actually only for confirmation purposes
to anyone who discovered the truth, as to who JF is and isn't. It would
only bring joy to a person who reached the right conclusion on his/her
own first, and that can't happen until it dawns on that person who JF
is, and that won't happen until that person forgives JF (and Chris) for
whatever they may have done (ever), and love them unconditionally, even
if they never ask anyone to. There is your clue to the unfolding of ALL
the mysteries, not just this one. If you can't figure this one out, it
PROVES (because God is no respecter of persons) that you are not
sufficiently ready to know, and you have no one to blame, but yourself.
The key is unconditional love
un- "conditional" love
Godlike love
truly
In the spirit of uncondtional love, I have decided to leave you to
yourselves, as Chris said "to learn for yourselves" that demanding a
sign, or concrete-hold-up-in-court evidence only proves what you want
it to prove, and does not necessarily bring you to the truth.
It's been good for me.
(oh yeah)
Well worth the time...
Harry
Re: This is all my fault.
Still not a single shred of evidence I see eh Harry. ;)
Just the same ole BS blathering and trying to put words in my mouth.
There is no reason you can't post the evidence you claim you would
give me if we met. Why in the world would I want to meet you? To
listen to you argue the same ridiculous circular argument you have
here? No thanks.
Oh yeah if you just pray about it will all magically come to you blah
blah... Evidence is bad just listen to Spiritual High Harry and you
don't need no stinking evidence... :)
And yes you are backed into a corner much to your chagrin. However it
is wise of you to withdraw as you know when your whipped, but nobodies
buying your exit strategy of trying to act like you are just trying to
help us poor unwashed see the light by offering us your supposed
superior spiritual prowess... Sigh
Blayne
Re: All Huff & Bluff -- Has no one the guts to speak-up?
JZ:
Sorry Blayne, never have been a kool-aid fan. I join many lists to
learn what truth I can find. Sometimes it takes more digging than
others.
Blayne:
Well John it seems then you're out of character on this one. Sure
truth can be found in many places but some places are better then
others for seeking. Some places prostitute truth to serve an ulterior
motive or agenda. Others just present truth in an honest manner
without guile. By their fruits ye shall know them.
JZ:
I'm curious -- what makes it a "cock and bull story". Is it not
possible that it could be the truth? If so then there
is "reasonable doubt". To answer your question, I need "beyond a
reasonable doubt". The so-called "evidence" does not do that. What
Chris said was that he took posts authored by someone else and
placed in a "Draft" file which he had access to, and sent them on to
the SP List. I repeat my question: If anyone has any evidence that
will add light to this, present it, or stop claiming it exists. One
or the other.
Blayne
Why didn't Chris simply tell us this from the beginning when we first
suspected him of it rather then just condemn us all as evil enemies
seeking his destruction for no good reason? Also the evidence shows
that he responded to Todd in real time, which would be impossible, if
he was sending drafts waiting for inspection. Geeze John this is not
rocket science.
JZ:
I didn't remain "quiet". It was Harry's claim of evidence that
motivated me to write what I did. So yes, I agree totally, that
Harry is part of those that claim to have some knowledge or
evidence, then refuses to bring it forth. But you did as well (as
you pointed out above).
Blayne
You did not post on this until I mentioned they had also overlooked
something but it didn't matter the current evidence was sufficient.
Then you used this to try and lump us all in with Harry who claimed
evidence that would blow us all out of the water but to date has not
posted a single iota of it! There's quite a bit of difference to
having evidence on the table John and never having any don't you think…
JZ
As far as "evidence" goes, when I asked one question, the air-tight
proof fizzed away. Read the following posts and see for yourself.
JZ Post #1065 April 8, 2005
Todd,
Could you trace the following two e-mails sent by Joshua:
#896 3/30 4:54am "Better than SP"
#913 3/31 4:02am "Dewey, the Asswipe"
#917 3/31 7:09am "
#919 3/31 7:16am "
#922 3/31 7:25am "
#924 3/31 7:27am "
Reason I picked those is that the Lemon Grove Library does not open
until 10am (at least according to their recording: 619-463-9819).
JZ
How do you figure John? There is no way to tell which server in all
the hops time stamped the posts, some out of state server could have
time stamped them accounting for the time differences. However what is
reliable is the timing between posts. So it hardly fizzles away the
facts of where they came from and the amount of time between posts.
JZ: Interestingly enough, we hear recently from "Joshua Farnsworth"
and where does Todd trace it to? Plano, Tx … right near Forth
Worth. Small world.
Blayne:
So what John? We heard this right after Chris POSTED AS JOSH and gave
out the access to the account so anyone could access it. The San Diego
postings still stand. And lo and behold who confirms he can post as
Josh but Chris himself why because he knew he was caught and had to
try and stop the bleeding. I am amazed you have fallen for this BS.
Hmmm Texas interesting that's where John C is from don't remember
where exactly though.
JZ:
I try hard NOT to rush to judgment (sometimes more successful at it
than others). If you expected otherwise, then yes, you should be
surprised.
Blayne:
Well after knowing you on the net for a few years I had expected more
from you yes. It saddens me to see you taken in by any of this. Why
do you feel we have rushed to judgment?
Lets run down some of the evidence:
Several of us suspect Chris is Josh so we do a comparison in writing
styles and there are way too many similarities to dismiss it as
coincidence.
Chris claims several times Josh will be at the conference and prove us
all wrong but he is not present.
No one other then Chris has met Josh even though Chris claims Josh
travels the country with him and they use the same computer. Which by
the way contradicts Chris's later claim that Josh makes drafts from
some place other then where Chris is and Chris approves and sends
them, and also that Josh is in Texas.
Chris and John C. challenged us to prove it so Todd runs down the IP
addresses and several posts from Josh answer Todd in real time from
Chris's location way to fast for Josh to be writing and then cashing
and for Chris to access proof read and send, Chris posts right after
also to fast for him to be proof reading and sending Josh's stuff and
writing his own.
All this time Chris denies it all but never gives any evidence that he
supposedly has right in front of him since he later claims he was
forwarding Josh's posts after and does so using the Josh account
proving he has posted as Josh. But instead makes up a story that he
will prove it at the conference and fails to do so.
And if this isn't enough Chris also claims he has never condemned
anyone to hell and challenges me to prove it, which I easily do with
several of his posts. he also claims to have power to confound any and
all yet hides from and avoids all tough questions and claims if we
just read and pray all will fall in place. Gee where have we heard
that before?
Even if Chris was just forwarding Josh's posts, first he claimed he
told Josh to cool it yet forwarded some of the most vile attacks I
have ever seen on the internet and later claimed he thought they were
humorous. If he sincerely was moderating Josh's posts why in the world
would he forward such vile posts by him during the time he claimed he
asked him to cool it? Does it not disturb you that he thought those
vile post were humorous? But hey we might find some truth there… Sigh.
Yeah Hitler repeated some truths also but no one would see him as just
another place like any other to find what truth could be found. And no
I am not saying Chris is like a Hitler, I am just using an extreme
example to illustrate the point.
This guy has weaved such a web of lies he can't keep it all straight
and keeps getting caught is afraid to answer even reasonable questions
and willing to lie and be deceptive. Of course there is much more
however if you can't see the pattern yet I doubt you will see it
period and indeed by so doing would then show yourself as among the
ranks of the kool-aid drinkers
Re: All Huff & Bluff -- Has no one the guts to speak-up?
What's interesting is right after Todd traced the first batch they
then became difficult to trace. The headers can be forged which won't
obscure all the hops but will most. Todd mentioned they weren't
bouncing around the country like they were in the first trace. This
might account for why some of them seemed to stop in say Ohio I think
it was Todd mentioned. Which also might account for the time stamp
length difference.
It does fit the pattern of one trying to cover their tracks when they
are discovered. As in oh crap their on to me I better get on the net
and look up how to forge headers... One of the biggest points is that
Chris confirmed he could indeed post as Josh after denying it for weeks.
So is Josh in Texas or as he traveling with Chris? Is he using his
own computer or using Chris's as Chris claimed. Why did Chris say Josh
was traveling around with him and would be at the conference to prove
all us evil followers of lucifer wrong then he didn't show up? How
could they be posting nearly at the same time if Chris was to review
the posts first and they were using the same computer as Chris
claimed? Why does the story conveniently change every time something
is discovered that incriminates him? Josh doesn't believe in God so
why does he give a rip about the SP? Why does he paraphrase scripture
as in Harry returning to his on vomit in chastising Harry for doubting
Chris when Chris left this list if he is a non-believer? Why is Josh's
writing style the same as Chris etc. etc. etc ??? Why do you insist on
ignoring all the evidence that establishes the pattern come on John
wake up man.
Blayne