[00:15] quizme: yes, I know that ... so?
[00:15] jbbarnes: how is migrating data a lot of work?
[00:15] giovani: you asked what ps is for... oh nm. i misread
what you typed.
[00:16] quizme: ps gives you the output you're asking for
=== root_ is now known as nilsbo
[02:34] i was talking here earlier
[02:34] i'll explain my situation again
[02:34] i installed dovecot, and now, postfix. now, will pop3s
and imaps work?
[02:35] if i try to connect to my server from say another
computer, from thunderbird
[02:35] err, uhm
[02:35] how would i go about making accounts?
[02:35] and forward certain ones to one account?
[02:36] linkxs: read the postfix/dovecot documentation, on
their respective websites
[02:36] You should try it, and see if you can't, and them ask for a
solution.
[02:37] well, i was going to try it and then realised that i
ahven't made any accounts on the server for pop3 or imap
[02:45] linkxs: Read the documentation, and try with a normal
unix user account first.
[02:46] simplexio, By the way, it completed the transfer
successfully. I never had to even try the switch. Thanks again for all
the help. (afk)
[02:52] i'm trying to connect to it from LAN, and it doesn't
work.
[02:53] telnetting to it works
[02:53] am i not specifying the settings for the server right?
[02:53] i did send a message to myself ont he server, it worked,
i recieved it.
[02:55] how come when I try to create a ext3 partition on a
15000.0GB hard drive, the greatest partition that both fdisk and parted
is 1806GB?
[02:57] ycy: can you be more clear, I don't understand
[02:58] ycy: I don't think many people make 15TeraByte hard
drives, are you sure you have one? In the consumer marketplace I think 2
TeraByte is the biggest I have seen...
[02:59] RAID
[02:59] Then that is not "a hard drive"...
[02:59] ok, that's not a 15TB hard drive though
[03:00] lol
[03:02]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#PC_BIOS_partition_types
[03:03] Can't see anything about upper limits there...
[03:04] can anybody help me with my mail server?
[03:06] !anyone
[03:06] A large amount of the first questions asked in this
channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next
question (the real one) and find out?
[03:07] ycy: if that really is a problem with the underlying MS-DOS
disk label format, you could either switch to some other label format
(e.g. gpt), or create a bunch of 1.8TiB partitions and make them all
separate PVs for LVM.
[03:08] i, uhm, did ask the question
[03:08] ycy: I guess another possibility is that you accidentally
used RAID1 instead of RAID5 or something... check /proc/mdstat that you
genuinely have 15TiB of effective storage.
[03:08] i don't want an MS-DOS disk label format
[03:08] ycy: MS-DOS is what fdisk ALWAYS uses, and parted uses by
default.
[03:09] i want to use ext3!
[03:09] ycy: ext3 is a filesystem, not a disk label format.
[03:10] is it mandatory to create a disk label format?
[03:10] What I am calling (per parted) "disk labels" are what you
would call a "partition table" -- though it needn't be an actual table.
[03:11] You *could* make the entire /dev/md1 device a LVM PV, but
this is usually avoided because then other tools can think the disk is
not in use.
[03:11] This is assuming the RAID array is not your boot disk.
[03:12] yes it's not on my boot disk
[03:12] it's a RAID hardware
[03:12] I only see a giant /dev/sdb
[03:12] and I want to create a partition on that
[03:15] You can't create a partition (i.e. /dev/sdb1) without using
some kind of disk label.
[03:15] All I'm saying is that you could use something other than
the default ms-dos label format, if there is some kind of inherent limit
in the size of its disk labels.
[03:17] yeah, the MBR has a maximum partition size of 2TB afaik
[03:18] So use gpt
[03:19] parted -s /dev/sdb mklabel gpt && parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart
0 0 100% ext3, or so
[03:20] (Except of course you WILL be using LVM here, lest baby
Amithaba cry.)
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[04:55] I host several websites using virtual hosts on my
server
[04:56] currently, because all files are grouped (read only)
as www-data, php scripts can read (and write if permissions are set) to
folders in other websites directories
[04:56] assume /var/www/www.website.com/stuff.php can read
/var/www/www.another.com/index.php
[04:57] how can I restrict - or even chroot apache (like
mod_chroot), per virtual host ?
[04:57] I don't really mind about php scripts reading outside
of /var/www, as I use AppArmor to restrict read/writes to where needed
[05:05] LiraNuna: first of all ... #apache would be far more
relevant ... second of all, I'm not sure that there's a good solution to
your problem, presuming you're using name-based virtual hosting
[05:06] sorry for asking in here, I thought it's a generic
server discussion as well.
[05:06] it's an ubuntu server room
[05:06] this is a pretty specific, and specialized apache
question -- you're more likely to get someone with an answer in #apache,
that's all
[05:06] yes, I use ubuntu server; I meant, I thought I'd find
answer targeted for ubuntu server here
[05:06] the answer won't be specific to ubuntu
[05:07] I understand, I can adapt
[05:07] thank you for pointing me to the right direction
[05:07] anyway, I doubt there's a good solution
[05:07] virtual separation is never safe
[05:08] if you used ip-based hosting, you could start a
separate apache process for each site ... however wasteful of resources
that might be
[05:08] I was hoping for an MPM that will chroot+suid
[05:08] mpm-itk seems nice, but it won't chroot
[05:09] have you googled on this?
[05:09] of course
[05:09] http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PrivilegeSeparation
[05:09] this seems highly relevant
[05:09] and seems to have a bunch of solutions
[05:12] hi, is anyone availiable here to help me out with a
server question
[05:13] whats the question?
[05:13] javaTN: Don't ask to ask, just ask. See /topic
[05:13] Oh sorry, i didnt know if anyone was here, thats all.
[05:13] I am interested in setting up an "IPCop" like setup on
my Ubuntu Server 9.04. Any way to accomplish this w/o a reformat to the
IPCop distro?
[05:14] sure ...
[05:14] but you need to be more specific about which features
you're interested in
[05:14] javaTN: Add whatever applications IPCop has in it to
your Ubuntu server... :)
[05:14] The web based management / monitoring of traffic, etc
[05:14] Thats the part that stumps me ^
[05:14] javaTN: the web-based management of what?
[05:14] it's probably custom-written
[05:14] feel free to ask them
[05:15] For traffic monitoring in real time, check out ntop
[05:15] Well, since IPCop can be managed through the web, thats
what I would like to be able to take adavantage of on my ubuntu server
[05:15] but manage -what- through the web was the question
[05:15] javaTN: For basic server admin using the web, you can
use ebox
[05:15] just monitor network traffic
[05:15] Try ntop :)
[05:16] I just googled it, it looks actually promising to my
needs! im gonna check it out right now as im SSH'd
[05:17] sudo apt-get install ntop and then browse to port
3000 (I think that's the port it uses by default)
[05:17] ah, i just installed
[05:17] yea 3000 is default
[05:17] dont know if i should be worried 'yet'... but its
complaining about my eth0, but my internet is on eth1
[05:17] "Starting network top daemon: eth0: error fetching
interface information: Device not found
[05:17] "
[05:18] Minot config tweak should handle that.
[05:18] s/Minot/Minor/
[05:18] that's probably because it presumes you want to use
eth0
[05:18] yeah, im reading the man. lol i hate when i dont have
"defaults" as apps would like.
[05:20] hmm.
[05:20] Then either use eth0 as your default interface, or
else edit /var/lib/ntop/init.cfg and restart it.
[05:21] yeah im gonna do that, i just started it with ntop -i
eth1
[05:21] im afraid if i change eth1 to eth0, then its going to
complain in other applications
[05:22] oh! while im in here. maybe i can make a link? i that
possible? link eth0 to eth1
[05:22] no, don't do that
[05:22] just reconfigure ntop ... it's simple
[05:22] ok haha
[05:24] ok now does ntop also provide a firewall setup?
[05:24] no ... ntop is a monitoring application
[05:24] the iptables firewall can be managed dozens of ways
[05:25] just monitor network traffic -- that is
what you said you wanted :)
[05:25] yeah im sorry, but also to do a firewall *blush*
[05:25] try shorewall
[05:25] text file config though...
[05:25] no web-based management?
[05:26] im checking out this ebox too as someone mentioned
[05:26] webmin has support for shorewall
[05:26] * giovani goes to cry about what #ubuntu-server has become
[05:26] ebox looks promising
[05:26] artificialexit: webmin is totally not supported by
ubuntu
[05:26] but this looks like a distro
[05:26] giovani: my bad...
[05:26] !ebox
[05:26] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a
server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration
management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox
[05:27] saweet! thanks im gonan try this now!
[05:27] giovani: never use it myself just heard about it
[05:28] ubottu, ok how can i do this. the guide i was linked to
i think has text formatting errors. to install all ebox packages, should
i do "apt-get install ebox-*" ?
[05:28] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm
intelligent :)
[05:29] lol im such an idiot for messaging a bot. shows how
often i use IRC.
[05:45] im confusing myself so much! ah, maybe i shouldnt go
with ebox. lol
[05:53] now heres my other question as far as ntop goes... how
can i have eth1 input the connection (from internet world), link to eth0
(to hub)?
[05:57] anyone here?
[05:59] javaTN: ntop is moitoring whichever interface you ask
it to monitor. It will not link things together for you.
[05:59] What are you trying to do?
[05:59] i think i asked that the wrong way. what i want to do is
have eth1 input the internet connection
[05:59] and eth0 share the connection to the network hub
[06:01] So... connect the Internet hookup on eth1 and the hub
on eth0. Job done. Are you wanting the server to act as a router doing
NAT for the client machines on eth0 ?
[06:02] no, just share the connection.
[06:02] basically the purpose of me using ntop is the monitor
all network activity
[06:03] So the client on eth0 all have public Internet
addresses? And the server will just route to them?
[06:03] yeah
[06:04] So... hook the Internet up on eth1, the hub and client
PCs on eth0, enable routing.
[06:04] internet cloud >(in from eth1) ntop server (out from
eth0)> router > other computers on network
[06:04] Other computers all have PUBLIC IPs, right?
[06:04] Your ISP assigned you enough IP addresses you can give
one to each client PC?
[06:04] they are going to be LAN ip's. 192.168.64.XXX
[06:05] So the client on eth0 all have public
Internet addresses? And the server will just route to them?
[06:05] yeah
[06:05] Do not say yes if you mean no!
[06:05] oh my bad. i wasnt sure what that meant exactly :-x
[06:05] Then say so!
[06:05] lol sorry
[06:06] Do you have a hardware device (router ) between the
PCs and the Internet connection? Or are you wanting the Ubuntu server to
do that work?
[06:06] i have a device to do that work
[06:07] all i really need i guess is to route eth1 input to eth0
output on LAN. and ntop will monitor the eth1 connection
[06:07] I think you are confused... you can't have two subnets
with the same IP addresses in them and expect routing between them to
work.
[06:08] Well, you could try setting up the Server as a
transparent proxy, but... I don't think that is really what you want or
will be able to do...
[06:08] how would it differ if i had no router and routed with
the server?
[06:09] Then the server would *be* your router/firewall, and
the eth1 address would be your public Internet IP, and the eth0 address
would be a local private LAn address, so the two would be different.
Then you could set up the server to do NAT between the two networks.
[06:10] oh i see
[06:10] what if i did a simple masquerade between eth1 and eth0
[06:10] ?
[06:10] would that do?
[06:11] As long as they are different subnets, yes. NAT and
"masquerade" are in essence the same thing.
[06:11] subnet is the 255.255.255.0 kind of thing, right?
[06:11] sorry, im still learning my way around networking
[06:13] I can't spend my evening teaching you basic
networking. http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-
HOWTO/
[06:16] jmarsden, http://www.howtoforge.com/nat_iptables do you
think that guide would serve my needs to get this setup?
[06:17] cd howie
[06:17] damn wrong keyboard
[06:18] javaTN: I'm not sure, it seems fairly old, and I've
never used it. First learn enough to understand what you are trying to
do, and then try to do it :)
[06:18] well in theory i know what i want to do, but there are
limitations apparently of things unbeknownst to me. like subnet issues.
[06:19] If you know what do to, then why do you need to follow
a guide on howtoforge? :) OK, try it if you want.
[06:19] no its not that i know what to do, i know what i want to
do.
=== erichammond1 is now known as erichammond
[09:38] I could use some help making a disk bootable. I copied
two partitions (swap, and an ext3) to a replacement drive. The system
naturally won't boot, so I think I need to install GRUB. I have booted
from knoppix. How do I install grub to make hda2 bootable on this disk?
[09:40] Once in knoppix, I believe I run grub and then issue a
command to install it on hda. Is that right?
[09:40] i think so
[09:52] can anyone comment on the last post in this topic
[09:52]
http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=37264&#msg_37264
[09:52] ufw under ubuntu server
[10:21] does anyone know how i can properly setup my ubuntu
server as a checkpoint between my cable modem and router to monitor
internet traffic on my network?
[10:26] is anyone here able to assist me or link me to a guide
on how to setup 9.04 ubuntu server as a NAT
[10:27] You used to be able to simply aptitude install ipmasq
[10:27] does thaat still work?
[10:27] nowadays I guess it involves adding -t nat -A -i eth0 -o
eth1 -j MASQUERADE or so.
[10:27] javaTN: TIAS
[10:28] now, im so confused when it comes to iptables. whats the
best way to add that to the table and keep it saved?
[10:28] iptables -t nat -A -i eth0 -o eth1 -j masquerade
[10:28] and your done?
[10:28] or add it to /etc/rc.local
[10:30] twb, what do you think about firestarter?
[10:31] I don't trust iptables abstraction wrappers.
[10:32] ok
[10:32] i just found out firestarter is gui based, which is
pointless for me being on ubuntu server with no GUI. haha
[10:34] what about ufw
[10:35] does that do NAT?
[10:37] ufw is an iptables abstraction wrapper
[10:38] It *can* do arbitrary iptables rules, but only by a human
writing iptables-restore segments into the appropriate file -- not by
using the ufw CLI as such
[10:38] oh i see
[10:39] ive spent the last 3 hours of my night trying to set
this NAT/web traffic analyzer up- got no where. im frusterated trying to
configure my server with my router and get them to talk to each other and
the internet cloud.
[10:54] what exactly is a broadcast and how does it differer
from the gateway?
[10:58] javaTN, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address
[10:59] thanks
=== javaTN is now known as javaTN`afk
[11:27] my machine won't turn off
[11:27] sudo shutdown now yields this "recovery menu" screen
or something
[11:28] i end up having to do a hard power-off every time
[11:28] any way to fix this?
[11:33] hello
[11:34] i always get 7 packages can be updated. 12 updates are
security updates. but no matter how many updates i do they dont go away!
[11:34] this is what i'm getting when I try to shut the
machine down ->
http://www.geeksquadwiki.com/gsw/images/e/ef/UbuntuReset6.jpg
[11:39] foxeylady: the "recovery menu" is single-user mode
[11:39] twb: ahh, thanks.
[11:40] now is there any way to have it actually shut down
when i tell it to do so, instead of going right into that?
[11:40] I do not know why shutdown is using mode 1 instead of 0
[11:40] i think it may actually be shutting down first, and
then re-booting into that
[11:40] Have you asked dmesg and/or /var/log/* ?
[11:41] foxeylady: if that's the case, then you have "single" in
your default boot menu item
[11:42] is there any way to remove the updates on the main
windows?
[11:42] when i enter via ssh
[11:42] twb: well, if it helps tell you anything useful, if i
then do a hard-powerdown and then boot up the machine, it'll give me a
regular login screen
[11:46] twb: does it?
[11:46] BrixSat: what are main windows?
[11:46] foxeylady: sorry, I still dunno what's wrong with your box.
[11:49] anyone else??
[11:56] twb when i login in ssh
[11:56] i always get 7 packages can be updated. 12 updates are
security updates. but no matter how many updates i do they dont go away!
[11:58] BrixSat: that's /etc/issue and /etc/motd, I don't know what
updates it -- it was implemented after the last LTS
[12:00] last lts?
[12:00] BrixSat: *L*ong *T*erm *S*upport release, such as
Hardy
[12:01] :)
[13:14] trying to set up group-based quotas for home directories
mounted on nfs. how does this apply to 8.04?
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sgi/faq/admin/section-68.html
[13:23] !quota
[13:23] Sorry, I don't know anything about quota
[13:23] hmm
[13:23] shame on u, ubottu. really.
[13:31] dayo: the quotas are applied on the NFS server side
[13:32] That URL is a bit confusing. Certainly the rquotad stuff
has to be working, but unless you have a firewall in the way, it should
be automatic
[13:39] twb: so, if i set up quotas on the nfs server, it applies
to client logging in from a desktop?
[13:41] Yep
[13:41] I suspect quotad is only there so when you get "write
failed!" you get a more meaningful message, like "write failed! You gots
no space!"
[13:42] twb: i see. ok, thanks. well time to try it out. i'll let
u know how it went.
[14:23] twb: i have this line in my fstab: UUID=d9089c53-5d3b-
4693-879d-c81098f33ef4 /srv ext3 relatime,usrquota,grpquota
I don't want to apply quota to /srv, i want to apply it to a subdirectory
of /srv. how do i do that?
[14:43] hello, i have a big problem.. someone can tell to me
the equivalent to "dpkg --force all" in apt?
[15:11] dayo: not possible
[15:12] dayo: make a separate filesystem for the thing you DO want
to have quotas on
[15:13] dayo: this is the part where you learn that you should have
used LVM when you installed your server.
[15:23] twb: i tried this but it's not working: sudo quotatool -b
-u testman -q 2072MB -l 2584MB -t 7days -v /srv
[15:23] quotatool: Wrong options for -t, please see manpage for
usage instructions!
[15:23] twb: man page says number followed by seconds, minutes,
days, weeks or months
[15:23] :-/
[15:40] Dunno
[15:42] dayo: I don't even have a quotatool, just quota and edquota
[15:42] does anyone know if python is installed by default?
[15:42] axio_: likely; it's a requirement for many things
[15:43] axio_: but that might be python2.5-minimal rather than
"batteries included"
[15:56] guten tag :)
[15:56] ich als newbe brauch mal hilfe zum thema Vhosts
[15:56] !de | Claw6_
[15:57] Claw6_: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch
gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de,
#kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join
#ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.
[15:57] oh yes sure
[15:58] httpd (pid 4460?) not running
[15:58] (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to
address 0.0.0.0:80
[15:58] no listening sockets available, shutting down
[15:58] Unable to open logs
[16:00] hello all
[16:00] i've got a software raid1
[16:00] but the problem is, that I can't boot from it
[16:00] somehow /dev/md/0 is not existing on boot
[16:00] it's created later
[16:01] how can I bring the kernel to use /dev/md/d0 as root?
[16:12] twb: and there is absolutely no way for me to add a line
in fstab, underneath /srv that says /srv/home ?
[16:13] You cannot have quotas for only part of a filesystem.
[16:14] Nothing prevents you having a separate filesystem /srv/home
[16:14] :-(
[16:14] twb: yeah, i guess that's my most viable option right now
[16:14] 00:13 dayo: this is the part where you learn that you
should have used LVM when you installed your server.
[16:15] twb: so, what i'll do is take free space from /srv and
create a partition called /srv/home
[16:17] twb: what would be missing from like the "python light"
that you're talking about?
[16:17] axio_: ask your package manager
[16:17] oh, right :)
[16:18] packages.ubuntu.com seems to be broken
[16:18] or having problems
[16:18] dpkg -l, -L
[16:26] how 'bout RoR?
=== javaTN`afk is now known as javaTN
[17:29] is it possible to have a samba server outside of a
network, yet still accessable by the internal network? ie: samba > router
> clients?
[17:30] javaTN: sure, just like any server
[17:31] the thing that baffles me is, it wont be on the same
network necessairly.
[17:31] cable modem > samba server > router > clients
[17:36] what does it mean when an ip is typed like this:
192.168.0.0/24? whats the /24?
[17:37] javaTN: CIDR range.
[17:39] ScottK, so essentially a CIDR range is a range of IP
addresses?
[17:39] javaTN: Yes. Google knows all about it.
[17:42] anyone here?
[17:42] just reinstalled chatzilla not sure thisa is working
[17:44] well it should tell you that you're connected
[17:44] but yes, clearly it's working
[17:44] yeah im just trying to join another channel and it saya
that i should have identifeid myself. I have but not working?
[17:47] yeah it works now thanks
[17:47] :)
[18:00] how do subnets masks work? i am trying to setup my
server as a NAT, however should the subnet mask of the router and eth2
(output to router) be the same?
[18:25] helo, i have very strange problem: lsusb gives me
nothing since 20 minutes. i have 2 devices turned into hardy server.
please help
[18:26] but dmesg lists usb events ...
[20:27] I have a md array that failed.. it's the /tmp array, but
now it mounted one of the partitions as /tmp... what should be the best
to unmount /tmp ? as it's busy atm ofcourse... remap it in fstab and make
a temp one on the / partition ?
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[23:52] I'm using jaunty and I would like to understand hot to
make a permanent change to /etc/resolv.con
[23:56] I read that ' If using DHCP, NetworkManager is _intended_
to replace default routes,' But I'm not using DHCP !!!