Serving the Burton Joyce Community
Burton Joyce Parish Council
A BJPC Public Meeting Presentation
for the Residents of Burton Joyce,
Stoke Bardolph and Gedling
November 19th 2009 7.30 at the Village Hall
Provisional Findings November 2009
Presented by Cllr Steve Cluff on behalf of BJPC
Burton Joyce Parish Council along with many of its residents is concerned over the recent
problems with climate change and environmental awareness. Within the last month we have
instigated a refit in one of our parks to have an ecological and conservation area for the
village instead of flat areas of grassland. We also visited the new Biomass Construction site
at Severn Trent Water next to Burton Joyce (the first Plant in the UK) that takes the residue
sludge from the sewage works and adds them to maize grown in all the fields around Burton
Joyce. The fermented brew provides gas used to power generators producing electricity sold
to the grid.
The BJPC is delighted with this technology and despite the landscape changing (we have
lost the dairy herds) at BJ we think this is an excellent case of constructive renewable
When STWA informed us via a scoping report that there were intending to put Wind Turbines
at Burton Joyce after a monitoring mast, we waited until and idea of the plan was developed.
We did expect it, like the biomass to be a good move for the village and the environment and
were ready to support it.
However it soon became clear that whilst the principle was good, the position and scale of
the development caused great concern. Whilst the full planning is yet to be confirmed STWA
indicated they would be putting 3 no Very Large Wind Turbines at 125 or 132metres (410–
433ft high) in the fields next to Burton Joyce on the A612. At 132m these would be the tallest
wind turbines in the UK that we have found onshore. At 450metres away from the man road
and 300 houses they were also the closest to a densely packed residential area that we
At the beginning of November 2009 SWTA informed the BJPC that planning application may
go in as earlier as Dec 2009 a full year earlier than we expected despite not having
completed all the reports. With that in mind the BJPC quickly resolved to set up a residents
meeting and actioned a working group with a budget of £500 to promote a public meeting at
the village hall. Monies were used to print flyers which were circulated to 75% of the village.
Six banners were erected and sound and vision equipment was hired for the meeting.
The BJPC became concerned on the impact this would have on our residents and took a
difficult decision to investigate the viability of the scheme by comparing it to about 50 other
similar schemes throughout the country. Cllr Steve Cluff was tasked to present the
provisional findings of the Working Group to the meeting.
The following information is the result of significant research and activity and was presented
to the residents of Burton Joyce in the public meeting on Nov 19th in the Village Hall at
Burton Joyce. Our aim was to start a debate and encourage our resident to look at this
scheme closely and see if it the benefits outweigh the cost to the village as a whole.
The following information is that preliminary report. This was presented at the meeting with a
maximum length of 15 minutes set alongside STWA PowerPoint presentation and Re-
Volt.org.uk resident action group.
Serving the Burton Joyce Community
Burton Joyce Parish Council
Preliminary Impact Assessment on Burton Joyce and
Vicinity based on current SWTA proposals for 3no x
125m or 3no 132m Wind Turbines
(Click pictures for larger versions)
The BJPC consider the following points and tried to answer them as completely as possible
within the given time.
• What benefits to our village and its
• What detriments to our village and its
• Can we pinpoint where the key issues
are likely to be?
Setting the Proposals in Context
The Wind Turbines proposed by Severn Trent Water are either 125metre to tip of the blade
or 132metres depending on SWTA final decisions. They have yet to submit a finished
proposal and are awaiting various scoping reports. These include visual impact assessments,
bird,bat and hydrology reports to name but a few.
• Simplified Wind Turbines come in 4 sizes Small, Medium , Large and XXL (we have
heard of a Mega size now in Germany)
• STWA Proposal are XXLs the 132 metre option we have yet to find on the UK
Mainland- only offshore.
• The close proximity to a high density of residential properties is highly unusual. We
have yet to see an approved scheme so close to such a large number of houses.
(Except for an STWA proposal in Derby). There are a large volume of houses within
the 450metre to 650 metre band distance. The Poplars Sports Ground is only
50metres from the edge of the playing fields from Turbine 1
• The use of Large Wind Turbines in Nottingham is unusual due to its central locations
and wind patterns.
The next image shows the Midlands cluster of large turbine. Note the positioning mainly
around the coastline and on hilly areas. Apart a new one now at East Midlands Airport
there are little around Nottingham. We would presume that is because there is not much
wind. BJPC has seen the wind pattern data for the area and does show an elevated level
of wind directed from west to east in a narrow band. Whether this is sufficient for large
yields only the SWTA wind monitoring mast would give that data. The wind data also
shows very little air movement around the A612 and Burton Joyce floodplain basement.
We know that the Turbines may be 125 or 132metres but just how big is that exactly?
• Compared to Burton Joyce Village Centre
This CGI visual places a turbine next to the Methodist
church in the village centre
• Compared to Other objects such as an average house or
the Statue of Liberty
Visualising Turbines from Residents Viewpoints
Using a morning of micro-light flying with a calibrated altimeter a series of 400 pictures were
taken around Burton Joyce from known locations with 3 x time coordinated cameras. The
known race track flight path yielded a series of point’s in the sky that CGI graphics could use
as a reference fix. Throughout the morning two of the three cameras battle with solar glare at
the same or lower heights than the micro light was flying alerting us to the very real issue of
solar flicker and strobing at the sunlight passes through the blades.
(We would class these graphics as reasonably accurate and suitable for projecting the proximity of
the turbines to known points. However as STWA are unsure of the actual type of Turbine to be used
we cannot guarantee its precise visual appearance as some have larger blades and smaller hubs etc.
again we have used an average)
Visualisation 1: Poplars Sports Ground Visualisation 2: Millfield Close/Crow Park Drive
Visualisation 3: Nottingham Road Visualisation 4: Village Centre
(Vertical blade only just seen above tree)
Visualisation 5: Ferry Boat at Stoke Bardolph
How will these impact on the Village?
• Aesthetic and visual aspects in Green Belt area. Are these obtrusive or elegant?
• Do they overpower the local environment?
• If these were a 40 storey block of flats would that be acceptable?
• How far can they been seen from on the flood plain?
STWA with their engineering partners TNEI propose a Landscape and Visual Impact
Assessment (LVIA) to gauge the character, fabric impact and by an “Independent”
Landscape Architectural Consultants Stephenson Halliday They have no group association
with SWTA and therefore are independent of SWTA. However if you visit their website
http://www.stephenson-halliday.com/ it states :
“The practice has specialist expertise and considerable experience in the coordination and submission of major
planning applications and the preparation of environmental statements. We also have a dedicated team to
produce high quality visualisations.”
Clearly as a practice they are charged with preparing the application for STWA not as an
independent body to the application in fact items such as:
Monday, 20 April 2009
Withernwick Wind Farm Public Inquiry: Consent Granted
We are delighted to announce that planning permission has been granted for the proposed 9 No.
turbine development at Withernwick in the East Riding of Yorkshire following the recent Public
Inquiry. It was a pleasure to assist EnergieKontor with both the Landscape and Visual Amenity and
Planning evidence and be part of such a strong team effort at the Inquiry.
Cleary the “delighted “shows the angle that the preparations come from as a commercial
venture- nothing wrong with that but BJPC would argue this is not independent in the true
sense of the word. Therefore the it is imperative that other views are sought incase there is a
• The current proposal position of turbines
is 450metres according to STWA from
the nearest dwellings on Millfield Close
Source STWA Stoke Bardolph exhibition
document. See picture
• Noise from Turbines can be up to
5dB(A) more than standard background
noise (daytime) and obviously the same
level at night whereas most of the
background noise has ceased (traffic,
trains, industry)(ETSU-97 guidelines)
• The minimum distance is not specified in the UK directly usually uses Noise
regulations primarily to hold off turbines from residents. There are significant
difficulties and questions as to the effectiveness of this from developers and residents
• Scotland who has had far more turbines for far longer is changing to a different
system called set back i.e. the distance the turbines are set back from houses etc .
• Scotland on a case-by-case basis within 2000m of the edge of cities, towns, and
villages code of conduct not mandatory (SSP6 legislation)
• Germany “quiet regions” [35 dB(A)]: 1,000-1,500 m
• Czech Republic: There are no regulations on setbacks from wind turbine. In practice:
400 m to 800 m
• Italy: 10 × the turbine height from urbanized areas: 1250- 1320metres.
As we can see Burton Joyce is closer than these and the turbines are bigger now due to
advance in technology than when these were published.
• Are Wind Turbines noisy ?
Yes up to 108dB (A) at Hub height dissipating quickly with distance sometimes down to
60dB(A) at the base ref:3 x large Turbine Manufacturers specification details.
Sound measurements taken from around the village are averages – sometimes its higher
, sometimes lower. Burton Joyce has sound monitoring going on currently since May
2009. ETSU-R-97 is the guidelines used (not compulsory)
In reality the noise levels prior to 9pm are not likely to affect any dwellings within the
Burton Joyce area as they will be masked by traffic noise. Estimated daytime levels at 45
Recent technology and direct drive train turbines are much less noisy than 5 years ago.
Gearboxes and blade movement past the mast cause the most noise. Burton Joyce is
classed as a quiet rural level after 9pm less 30db (A) approximately. Unlike many areas
we get very quiet after that time as background levels fall the following areas are likely to
have significant issues with noise depending on wind direction. The turbines do not get
quieter at night.
People and Places Affected by Noise
So who will be affected after 9pm probably more than 30% of the year due to noise from
the wind turbines?
This is difficult to predict at present as STWA have not chosen their final configuration. At
this present time we cannot get the math’s to work for 3 x 132m so close to Burton Joyce
even to minimum regulations and STWA have confirmed this.
There is an added difficult highlighted recently by a centrifuge fan at STWA stoke Bardolph
works which can be heard most night from the west of Burton Joyce through to the east
side along the river and up to Lambley Lane where a resident has tracked it down and
STWA have agreed to shroud the offending motor This demonstrates the still air issue at
ground level and how quiet we are at Burton Joyce. It may also show we are prone to an
acoustic effect called Amplitude Modulation
Where the sun is low in the sky and casts a shadow through the
blade. This is prevalent in Burton Joyce only sunrise and sunset and
in winter months along A612 Nottingham Road frontage into Burton
Joyce and anywhere that has direct line of site of them looking south
will be affected by this predominantly in the winter months Nov,
Dec, Jan. e.g. St Helens Grove, Millfield Close and East Gedling.
The Poplars Sports Ground will be badly affected by this due to the
50metre distance from the blades.(see later)
• Careful siting and set back can reduce this effect.
A video showing the affects of shadow flicker ( click picture for YouTube video)
(For more videos at YouTube type in “wind turbines”
Poplars Sports Ground Health and Safety Guidelines
The Poplars Sports Ground is run by Burton Joyce Parish Council. It is home to 18 Football
teams, 5 cricket, Lawn Bowls club and BJ Archery Club. In te year 2009/210 the football
pitches are up to maximum capacity.
Estimated distance from edge of blades to Poplars
boundary 50metres (source STWA exhibition map +
1. Is this safe for children, adults to play near?
2. Will people feel safe playing near it (MMR jab
effect) even if we can prove it is safe?
Vesta, one of the best known wind turbine
manufacturers states in their safety manual:
“Do not stay within a radius of 400m (1300ft) from the turbine unless it is necessary. If you
have to inspect an operating turbine from the ground, do not stay under the rotor plane but
observe the rotor from the front.” (Section 2 of the Vestas “Mechanical Operating and
“Make sure that children do not stay by or play nearby the turbine.” (Section 2 of the Vestas
“Mechanical Operating and Maintenance Manual”).
BWEA recommends 150metres minimum from blade edge ref :The British Wind Energy Association
In reality indicates we have to assess the risks and balance stories such as 3rd November
2009 Copenhagen post :
“Two turbines self destruct in 1 week” against the real probability of that happening. That
process will take some time to find an acceptable level of distance with Environmental Health
Dept and HSE and the Poplars users. The irony of it is that the BJPC will probably have to try
and prove they are safe or the ground cannot be operated on, We will lose the revenue and
the Poplars will close. At the point of this presentation we have had 8 days to investigate this
and can confirm there is a serious issue affecting the operation, but have yet to have
completed the investigation which is likely to take several months and cannot be realistically
done under the Turbine make and size is known.
Pictures taken at 11am November 9th 2009 show clear route to sun at height below micro
light in pic 1 indicating shadow flicker will occur. Second picture show the sun in exactly
the position of turbine 1
In our opinion Cricket and football matches cannot be played in such conditions due to the
proximity of the turbines to the pitches (50 metres from the blades). The future of the
Poplars Sports Ground is therefore in doubt should this Proposal go forward.
• We would conclude there is a high probability of noticeable shadow flicker to the
Poplars Sport Ground- heaviest during summer months after 3pm around due to close
proximity of Turbine 1 within 100m of outfield.
• This is likely to affect 5no Cricket teams at Burton Joyce. Also Pitch 3 & 4 football and
mini soccer/Archery Pitch during other months TBC
• Millfield Close- 7 houses from Turbine 1
• Nottingham Road 25 houses opposite turbine 2
(Based on site visuals and TNEI assessment that flicker only occurs within 10 rotor blades
520m and a case by case basis a threshold of 30hours per year is tolerated as an upper level
Resident Affected by Noise
BJPC Impact Summary of the current proposal by SWTA up to 18/11/09
• We would conclude there is a high probability of significant night time changes to
noise levels on a significant number of nights to the following areas west of Station
Road due to increased background noise levels * from wind turbines:
Bulcote Drive 60 houses
Cragmoor Road 15 houses
Crowpark Drive 24 houses
Glebe Drive 6 houses
Maris Drive 23 houses
Massey Close 10 houses
Nottingham Road 75 houses
Millfield Close 7 houses
St Helens Grove 19 houses
Trentham Gardens 19 houses
Wood side Road 12 houses
Station Road 17 houses
Vicarage Drive 4 +Houses
* The level of these changes cannot be categorically stated until turbine type is chosen and the
frequency of nights, until wind monitoring data is known.(This is due to close proximity of very large wind
turbines to an urban area 450 -600metres and the quiet night-time background and the inclusion of a rear
escarpment /ridgeline to these properties.)
In addition to this based on anecdotal evidence it seems likely that areas already reporting
night time Noise from STWA centrifuge transmission noise at night will also suffer the
same noise transmission problems.( Due to day time levels dropping as predicted)
Lambley Lane 73 houses
Bridle Road 56 houses
Crifton Road 23 houses
Wellington Road 25 houses
TV Reception: There will be a loss to some houses of analogue signal from Sutton
Coldfield transmitter. STWA have committed to dealing with this by adding boosters/relays
House Prices: Insufficient time prevented a full analysis of this but it seems logical that a
433 ft wind turbine outside a Burton Joyce property would affect its value.
In the BJPC opinion this is a poor option for Burton Joyce for the following reasons
1. The aggressive positioning of the Very Large Turbine will cause distress and
hardship to over 400 homes due to night time noise disturbance (over 1000 people)
2. The shadow flicker will cause further misery particularly for those on Nottingham
3. The proposed siting of turbine with blades 50metress from a large sports ground
indicates to the BJPC the total lack of regard by STWA for the people of Burton
Joyce and their activities. If the Poplars is forced to close due to the nuisance,
safety issues and lack of income then a loss of facilities to about 550 people and
their parents, supporters will occur together with a vital cog in the communities
4. Confirmed by SWTA there are no benefits to Burton Joyce in terms of cheaper bills
etc or community support. STWA receive up to £300k per turbine per year plus the
cost of selling the power to the grid through the ROC system. They receive more
subsidies for bigger turbines.
5. The proposed site is too small and too close to residents in Burton Joyce, Stoke
Bardolph and Gedling and the minimum distance for turbines of this size should be
1500metres or more.
Two votes were taken during this meeting – one at the outset and one at the end
The record of that vote by show of hand was as follows:
Prior to presentations in percentages
Those in favour of Turbines 10%
Those Don’t know 40%
Those against 40%
Not voted 10%
Those in favour of Turbines 0%
Those Don’t know 5%
Those against 90%
Not voted 5%
Estimated attendance 220 people
Based on that result Burton Joyce Parish Council will change its position from neutral to
“Opposed to the current proposal of Very Large Wind Turbines in close Proximity to our
village”. This will be confirmed at the Dec 1st Parish Council meeting at 7.30pm at the
Carnarvon Rooms, Burton Joyce.
If you wish to comment on this report or join the new working group being set up to prpare a
formal opposition to the current plan then please contact us at:
Parish Clerk: Jackie Dawn
Burton Joyce Parish Council
Parish Council Office
135 Church Road, Burton Joyce,
Tel: 01159 314084