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[06:17] evening superm1
[06:17] superm1, hows it going?
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[06:21] superm1, what are the chances of PPC mythbuntu?
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[06:32] PPC?
[06:32] tgm4883_laptop, you pervert
[06:32] :P
[06:33] Childish
[06:33] You should see the size of my Hard Drive
[06:33] it's a good thing I got rid of my 3 1/2 inch
floppy
[06:33] lol
[06:34] ok, what is your HDD cap?
[06:35] nah, i only have 80Gb here, 160 on my desktop,
400 on my mythtv box and 700Gb on my server
[06:36] oh
[06:36] I dont have a server to add the extra space in yet
[06:36] once .21 comes out though, watch out
[06:36] lol
[06:37] Im running 520 on an LVM on my myth box
[06:37] sweet
[06:37] HD?
[06:37] yea
[06:37] oh
[06:37] not HD
[06:37] lol
[06:37] analog
[06:37] yea
[06:38] it blows
[06:38] i agree
[06:38] around here HD is crap anyways
[06:38] where at?
[06:39] ia
[06:39] ah
[06:40] pretty much stuck with crap ass cable or really
crappy dish
[06:40] and OTA
[06:42] and I am waiting until I finish working on my house
to get a really big ass TV to go HD
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[06:44] HD rocks, blows analog away. (dont get me
started on the "Next Gen" DVD formats though)
[06:44] Really depends on what you want to watch though
[06:44] oh I know
[06:45] I am however about to add a 32" LCD to my collection,
and build a frontend for it with HDMI
[06:45] nice
[06:45] 32 is a good size
[06:45] yea
[06:45] I found a good price on one too
[06:46] $599 for a hyundai
[06:46] 720p
[06:46] with dual HDMI in
[06:46] my brother has a 92in projection screen, its ok
for movies and such, but i couldn't imagine watching everything on that
[06:46] and a built in ATSC/QAM tuner
[06:46] nice
[06:46] yea
[06:47] good price, i have a 37in vizio that I think was
about 800
[06:47] yea
[06:48] I am wall mounting this one, so 32 is all the bigger
we can do
[06:48] I can do*
[06:48] oh yea, wall mounting is nice
=== tgm4883_laptop wants to wall mount his, but not in an apartment :(
[06:48] lol
[06:53] tgm4883_laptop, how long you had that Vizio TV?
[06:53] since january
[06:53] you liking it?
[06:54] its pretty nice, quick response time, colors
look good. Only complaint is the volume from the mythbox to the tv, but
im not sure if thats the tv or the mythbox
[06:55] oh
[06:55] I had that with my myth too for a bit, but then found
out it was my cable box
[06:56] volume on it got turned way down somehow so the
recordins where all reall quite
[06:56] everything is quiet. I ended up outputing sound
from the tv to a stereo
[06:57] hmm
[06:57] strange
[06:58] oh one more thing, the volume i noticed from 0
to 50 had pretty good range, but from 50 to 100 didn't seem to increase
as much.
[06:58] odd
[06:58] yep
[06:59] I dont know if it's a feature of the tv or what,
but when I turn off my mythbox, the tv shuts off
[06:59] its hooked up through vga
[06:59] i suppose its just detecting the signal
[06:59] well, I worked for Best Buy a long time back, and one
thing I learned is it the store brand or generic electronics usually are
crap, but sometimes they are just a rebranded version of the higher end
stuff
[07:00] yea, i read somewhere that the vizio's are
rebranded
[07:00] let me see if i can find that again
[07:00] k
[07:01] tgm4883_laptop, very possible
[07:01] only problem is on most ppc machines, xorg doesn't
properly autoconfigure
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[07:15] superm1, just had somebody asking about it in
the forums
[07:16] you know how I love those forums
[07:16] tgm4883_laptop, can you ask them if a standard ubuntu
disk works?
[07:16] on their machines?
[07:16] sure
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[07:27] hey what is a cheap card for a desktop that will work
with mythtv? I have an old system p4 1.7ghz 1.25gb ram nvidia fx 5200
graphics card
[07:27] i just want to watch cable, and if possible record a show
now and then
[07:34] well whats your definition of cheap?
[07:35] across the board - i'd say go hauppauge pvr-150 for the
cheaper variant, or pvr-500 if you wanted to spend a few and get two
tuners
[07:36] superm1: ill check it out
[07:37] superm1: the 150 is for $72 at newegg, sounds good
[07:38] superm1: i just want to make sure it is compatible with
linux
[07:38] yes it is
[07:38] superm1: good
[07:38] superm1: im making the order now then
[07:38] great. its supported out of the box on feisty and
later
[07:39] earlier releases you'll have to install a driver
[07:39] superm1: no problem if its just a driver
[07:39] superm1: im using Feisty and Deb unstable
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[12:09] superm1: when you wake up, you got time to package a
lib I found if it meets the criteria, if not I'll package it up for my
own use (but I prob do them wrong and not the ubuntu way)
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[12:54] does anyine have time to answer a couple of mythbuntu
questions?
[12:55] probably
[12:55] I was wondering how I can get to a terminal window. I
can't seem to find the right keystrokes or a way to do it.
[12:56] jeffcster: are you logged in as your normal user?
[12:58] this is my first time to freenode so not really a
normal user to irc
[12:58] no, i was talking about your mythbuntu box. do you see
mythfrontend now or do you see the administration desktop?
[01:00] it logs in as mythtv user and goes to the main myth
screen autimatically. I did manager to log in to the administration
screen last night.
[01:01] jeffcster: jsut exit mythfrontend and log in to the
administration screen. then you can right-click and start a terminal
[01:03] ok! thanks so much. My last question is about
recordings. I have 2 hard drives on my system and mythbuntu was set up on
the 40gig drive. I want to save recordings to the 120gig drive. What is
the easiest way to accomplish that?
[01:03] hum
[01:03] you wait till 0.21 is released :P
[01:04] or you use this script as an user job:
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-20-
fixes/mythtv/contrib/myth_archive_job.pl
[01:11] ok, I'll look this over. thank you for your time. :-)
[01:12] no problem :)
[01:12] 2007-07-18 13:12:24.796
RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/3009_20070
71801200
[01:13] 0.mpg): Could not open
/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/3009_2007071801200
0.mpg.
[01:13] oops, sorry. wrong window.
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[01:18] jeffcster: mount the 2nd dive on something like
/recordings
[01:18] then in myttv-setup set the path for recordings to
/recordings
[01:19] then all of your recordings go onto the larger disk,
[01:20] hum
[01:20] Dave, that is sort of how my friend said to do it
but he siad I would need to re mount each time I rebooted the machine.
right?
[01:20] i assumed you wanted to use both drives ;)
[01:21] hey
[01:21] any news on the usbstick/ install brainstorm?
[01:22] i haven't tried it yet ;)
[01:24] jeffcster: not if you stick the detials into the
fstab. /etc/fstab
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[01:27] DaveMorris: ok. I'll have to try that later and see
how it works. I'm assuming your saying to make a directory called
recordings on the bigger drive and then just point mythtv to it. That
correct? well you can answer me after lunch. thanks.
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[02:22] make a dir called recordings on your root filesystem
- sudo mkdir /recordings
[02:22] mount the 2nd hdd onto this dir
- sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /recordings
[02:22] use mythtv-setup to tell it to record to /recordings
[02:22] edit /etc/fstab to auto mount the 2nd drive
- sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:22] adding - /dev/sdb1 /recordings xfs
defaults 0 3
[02:22] I'd also reommend using the xfs filesystem instead
of ext3 on the 2nd drive, as it better for large files - sudo mkfs.xfs
/dev/sdb1
[02:22] jeffcster: ^^
[02:28] DaveMorris: thanks that makes it very clear. :)
[02:29] it'll be in the manual for release, as its the setup
I'd recommended
[02:29] since mythtv seems to eat disks due to constantly
writing/deleting large files
[02:29] jeffcster: mind you, mkfs.xfs will delete anything on that
drive ;)
[02:29] or let's say partition
[02:30] that's fine, there is nothing on the disk I need
anyway. :)
[02:30] yeah, your partions might be wrong, and wrong disks
etc
[02:43] Daviey: what do I need to buy to allow me to use IR
remotes via a usb/serial connection?
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[03:07] hi to all
[03:12] hi
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[03:45] Howdy!
[03:46] afternoon
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[03:53] hi to all
[03:56] Can i make an ot question?
[03:56] for dvb-s
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[04:00] sure, however I've not used dvb-s before
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[04:04] hi dave
[04:04] do you know sasc--ng?
[04:07] afraid not, I'm in Europe so I just know dvb
[04:08] ok thanks
[04:08] however I'm guessing superm1 will be up soon
[04:08] and he'll know
[04:08] thanks
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[04:09] i'll wait
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shouting from across the pond
[04:10] :P
[04:11] gah
[04:11] now he's gone
[04:11] DaveMorris: sasc-ng is a "softcam"
[04:12] and how do you use it?
[04:24] man i had a hard time sleeping. i had this dream
someone kept yelling for me :)
[04:24] what's up?
[04:24] well, my point was that it's usually illegal and often
used for illegal things ;)
[04:25] ah a softcam
[04:25] okay
[04:32] superm1, what was the name of that irish beer?
[04:34] guiness, kilkenny?
[04:34] naw
[04:34] its made by guiness though
[04:34] its and irish ale
[04:36] oh Smithwicks
[04:37] yes
[04:37] was gonna try to find it, but couldnt remember the
name
[04:37] superm1, I bought a truck last night
[04:37] another one?
[04:38] well same one
[04:38] brought it home
[04:38] why would you pay for the same truck twice?
[04:38] hmm
[04:38] why did i indeed?
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[04:39] did you get a high quality truck for 2x the cost of a
low quality truck then?
=== foxbuntu the only literal statements foxbuntu wants to hear from
superm1 right now are of the pyparsing kind, Literal("SUXOR").suppress
[04:41] :)
[04:41] on that front
[04:41] I may have found a way to not parse the entire file
out
[04:42] to not?
[04:42] pyparsing allows you to do dictionaries, so I can just
look for Vol+ and have it know that its VolumeUp
[04:43] ect ect
[04:43] right, you can make a dictionary of such items and
easily run each thing through that dictionary
[04:43] understood
[04:43] then I will just use the results to insert the
function into the lircrc
[04:44] so there will be a premade lircrc to use, and I will
add a preset of replacement words like VolUpIns = Volup
[04:44] or whatever it is in the lircrc
[04:44] premade eh
[04:45] what if the remote doesn't support some buttons in the
premade lircrc
[04:45] and then have pyparsing look for the ins word and
replace with the found dic language
[04:45] well I am only going to program for required buttons
[04:46] 0-9 Guide, Play, Pause, ect
[04:46] everything else the user will be on their own
[04:46] well in a first iteration that will be fine
[04:46] but that will have to be improved upon
[04:46] thats fine
[04:47] but to get things rolling thats the way I think I will
handle it
[04:47] then we can drop a patch in there later as I get
better with pyton
[04:50] I am slowing picking the programing stuff backup
[04:50] I had lost alot of the basic concepts since I hadn't
wrote anything in like 3 years
[04:51] and even then it wasnt much
[04:51] well keep on trucking along :)
[04:51] DaveMorris, are you here?
[04:52] DaveMorris,
http://mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/mythbuntu-
live-autostart/
[04:53] that's where i'm headed with the autostart so you can
get an idea of what it will be looking like before i've got it in and
fully functional
[04:53] I'll take a look
[04:54] btw how can a use configure wireless ?
[04:54] there is no easy way right now
[04:54] there is a manual method you can do
[04:54] but we'll need something better than that likely
[04:54] superm1, nice
[04:55] foxbuntu, i've got the python backend for it coded,
it's just a matter of binding everything to the gui i built now :)
[04:55] that will save allot of pain for users
[04:57] well its going to be something only applicable for a
live disk
[04:57] to add more functionality in live mode
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[04:58] oh
[04:58] gotcha
[04:58] well either way
[04:58] nice work
[04:58] thx. i'll be back in a bit
[04:59] ZOMG!
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[05:00] lol
[05:04] rogue780, what did you do?
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[05:30] foxbuntu, I configured my mythbox so that whenever the
twilight zone is on tv the lights in my computer room will flicker on and
off
[05:30] behold! the power of the transistor and the parallel
port@
[05:30] !
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[05:32] rogue780, maybe you need to put a few moments more
towards artwork :)
[05:34] lol. maybe. I'll admit I've hit a setback...I'm still
trying to figure out SVG and such. the GIMP is much easier
[05:37] do you know what ever happened with riku ?
=== foxbuntu rflmao at rogue780
[05:38] that other guy who had the pretty nice exapmles?
[05:40] not a clue. to be honest once he sent those over I
kinda gave up a little too...they were (IMO) *perfect*
[05:40] haha
[05:41] well i'll send an email out the mailing list and see if
he responds. he is subscribed
[05:41] superm1, rogue780, (IMO) mine were crap
[05:41] if he doesn't respond, then I say you, dave johnson,
and foxbuntu just take where he started from those and keep going
[05:41] lol
[05:41] rgr that
[05:41] there are still plenty of other UI related things that
need cleanup
[05:41] like the gtk theme
[05:42] for sure
[05:42] oh yea
[05:42] that
[05:42] lol
[05:42] I will look into that when I have a moment
[05:42] superm1, FYI I'm still trying to buy a house. now I'm
sifting through all my files trying to find my tax documents for the last
3 years. argh...
[05:43] yikes
[05:43] thats alot of work to buy a house
[05:43] I didn't have that much trouble
[05:44] yeah, well it takes a bit of work when you want
Maryland to pay most of your closing costs
[05:45] We've got almost no cash so we're getting grants...and
that takes a bit extra work unfortunately
[05:45] hmm
[05:45] I bought mine at 0 down
[05:45] I actually paid nothing to move in
[05:45] no grants
[05:45] And the rent we're paying for military housing is
about $300 more/month than this home is with twice the sq/footage
[05:46] ah
[05:46] on the 31st when we close the deal we'll actually be
getting about $400 in credit back which we'll put towards the principle
[05:46] kewl
[05:46] foxbuntu, you didn't use that carlton sheets method
did ye?
[05:47] I got the sellers to pay the closing costs on my house
plus the first yr's insurance and a few other things
[05:47] I just played the numbers to get the house at my price
but made it look like the sellers were getting their price
[05:48] I offered them only a little below the price of the
house but then had them pay closing and actual costs to a certian percent
[05:48] nice. unfortunately for us Maryland has just
transferred from a sellers market to a buyers market....but a lot of
sellers don't realize it yet. the seller is paying $1,500 in closing,
we're getting $5,800 from MD and my realtor is giving a $1,800 credit
[05:48] kewl
[05:48] we're getting it for $175k the list price was $179,900
[05:49] yea...Iowa is a buyers market right now too, has been
for about 10 months now
[05:50] its been a depressed market here for a while
[05:50] Colorado is a great place to buy right now. possibly
best in the country. I kinda wish I were there, you can get houses for
dirt cheap especially around colorado springs
[05:52] superm1, have you considered switching to #mythbuntu
at all?
[05:52] rogue780, considered it, but it's so much trouble
[05:52] it was hard enough to get a lot of the things in this
channel active
[05:52] ubotu, ubuntulog, controlling the topic, channelserv
[05:53] next time Ompaul is around, maybe can request
#mythbuntu to redirect here
[05:53] I'm in #mythbuntu ... have been for a while with
tgm4883. I put in the topic to come here
[05:54] ah i see :)
[05:54] a lot of people were going there instead of here to
ask questions
[05:54] oh
[05:54] good call then
[05:54] that's great
[05:54] ;)
[05:55] well, I'm off to see a man about a dog. adios
[05:55] cya
[05:56] superm1, I asked that guy about the live disk and ppc
[05:56] and what'd he say?
[05:56] aparently there isn't a live disk for it
[05:56] for PPC
[05:56] yes there is
[05:56] my roomate ran it
[05:57] but I have a buddy that has a mac in the #ubuntu-
oregon, so when he gets on i'll ask him if his is ppc
[05:57] ill also send the guy a link to the live disk
[05:57] the problem with my roomate's emac was that it wouldn't
detect X properly
[05:57] the timing is very very finicky on those monitors
[05:57] and you need to pull it from the edid, which isn't done
automatically
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[06:07] Hi PhilKC
[06:07] Mornin'
[06:08] we've had a few folks headed over to #mythbuntu for
questions regarding mythbuntu, but since it's the same guys (us) working
on ubuntu for mythtv or mythbuntu, it would be easier if they just
redirected here
[06:10] there is a #mythbuntu
[06:11] DaveMorris, as rogue780 and tgm4883 pointed out, people
have been headed over there (i had no idea)
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[06:28] I guess its fixed then
[06:29] What language is this?
[06:29] #ubuntu-cn #ubuntu-tw #ubuntu-hk
[06:30] who knows?
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[06:30] PhilKC, it appears to be active now, not sure if it was
you or nalioth that got it taken care of, but thanks :)
[06:30] nalioth
[06:31] ah did he join #mythbuntu and let you guys know?
[06:31] not exactly
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[06:32] * nalioth has kicked rogue780 from #mythbuntu (nalioth)
[06:32] * You have been kicked from #mythbuntu by nalioth
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[06:32] Dang it
[06:32] !pastebin
[06:32] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't
flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
(make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu
channel topic)
[06:32] i always forget
[06:33] ah okay
[06:33] there is also a #mythbuntu-dev channel, but i dont
think anyone usually goes there. You would have to ask rogue780
[06:33] man when did all these channels get made?
[06:33] were they registered?
[06:33] no
[06:33] just joined
[06:34] just like #superm1isthecoolest
[06:34] haha
[06:34] sorry buddy, you only have 1 fan
[06:40] what about #foxbunturocksyourworld ?
[06:44] thats even worse, you have 0 fans
[06:52] ahh
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[07:28] hey everyone
[07:28] does anyone here have the hauppauge PCI pvr 150 mce?
[07:29] Yes
[07:29] well i've got a 500, but its the same thing as 2 150s
[07:29] what's your trouble?
[07:32] seabag, ^?
[07:35] well,
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[07:36] i put my pc to sleep and after waking it up from either
suspend or hibernate, the card doesn't respond.
[07:36] (sorry i was typin something just now :)
[07:37] have you tried to unload and reload the ivtv modules
before/after suspend
[07:37] hm no i haven't. how do i do that?
[07:37] edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[07:38] and add ivtv to the lists of MODULES
[07:38] that are unloaded and reloaded
[07:38] additionally, you might need to unload some of the
components that ivtv loads, saa7134 and a few others
[07:38] but try with just ivtv for now
=== seabag excited
[07:39] ok hangon i'll try it!!
[07:40] keescook, I assembled a patch that should handle
parsing the /dev/v4l/by-id directory last night, when do you think you
will have the udev rule in so i can test with it?
[07:41] superm1: it's on my list, but it requires more than a
rule update -- the "path_id" helper scripts needs updated too. bleh.
[07:41] yick
[07:41] okay
[07:41] well whenever it's in, ping me and i'll play with the
patch to make sure things work as expected
[07:41] let me finish it up so you can test with it. I need
to run it by the udev maintainer just so he doesn't slap me in the head
for doing something dumb. :)
[07:42] of course :)
[07:42] one thing that i had thought of though, if you have two
of the same device, they do have the same pci id
[07:42] don't they?
[07:43] pci id yes, but not pci _path_. (i.e. bus, slot, etc)
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[07:43] right, that would make sense
[07:43] g'afternoon mkrufky
[07:44] hello superm1
[07:45] mkrufky, there are other pieces of firmware that can be
obtained via the script shipped with the kernel from various places. Do
you know if an effort to get these other pieces into the ubuntu packge
would be worthwhile?
[07:45] or the licenses on said pieces will forbade such things
[07:46] superm1: i have been trying, VERY HARD to get those
firmware images into ubuntu
[07:46] and i, apparently, did the wrong thing up till now
[07:46] well someone within the mythbuntu team was going to do
a python app for grabbing firmware for devices
[07:47] if they weren't going to be making it into the kernel
for gutsy
[07:47] ..... for example, Launchpad Bug #90723
[07:47] Launchpad bug 90723 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Please
include bluebird firmware for dvb-usb devices" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
https://launchpad.net/bugs/90723
[07:47] *I* released that firmware image to the public
[07:47] and i'd love it if ubuntu would package it
[07:47] aha!! well i added ivtv and it wakes up the card now!
but, i may need to add some of those others too, because the card doesn't
actually show anything.
[07:47] great seabag :)
[07:48] saa7134, and any others you recommend?
[07:48] no python app necessary -- we have
linux/Documentation/dvb/get_dvb_firmware inside the kernel source
[07:48] mkrufky, given that you had released that firmware,
that's pretty shocking. i would worry about the other not 'public
domain' pieces
[07:48] dont you think i should start with my own?
[07:48] mkrufky, right, but something more 'user' friendly
pygtk ish
[07:48] was the goal
[07:48]
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/firmware-finder
[07:49] seabag, look at dmesg, you'll see between the START
IVTV and END IVTV blocks
[07:49] what was loaded
[07:50] what do you want to know about saa7134, seabag ?
[07:50] superml, where is dmesg located?
[07:50] mkrufky, well basically my pvr 150mce pci won't wake up
after suspend, so i'm in acpi-support trying to get it to wake the card
up
[07:51] superm1: is that script going to read the firmware
dependencies the same way that modinfo does?
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[07:51] seabag, if you type 'dmesg | tac | sed -n '/=\ \ END
INIT IVTV\ \ =/,/= START INIT IVTV =/p;/= START INIT IVTV =/q' | tac' in
a terminal you will get the information i'm referring to
[07:51] without the starting and ending ' of course
[07:51] mkrufky, well it was going to be initially just against
a db of known firmware
[07:52] and in acpi-support i should separate them like this?
MODULES= "ivtv","saa", "foo"
[07:52] starting from get_dvb_firmware, and other things not
listed i nit
[07:52] keescook: how can I find the cause of bug 97599?
[07:52] Launchpad bug 97599 in mythplugins "MythWeb sessions no
longer working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97599
[07:52] seabag, in acpi-source it would be like this MODULES="
ivtv saa7134 " etc
[07:52] superm1: the page you pointed me to says that it's
going to look for required firmware based on subsystem id
[07:52] ohh gotcha. i tried "foo, bar" and that didn't work...
ok
[07:53] superm1: so, im suggesting also to compare against the
loaded module's modinfo output for firmware depency
[07:53] pepsiman: not sure. I suspect someone will need to do
some kind of VMware install of edgy and do the upgrade, if there are no
clues in the apache logs
[07:53] dependency
[07:53] would the module be loading though if the firmware
wasn't present
[07:53] or would it just provide an error
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[07:53] module would load with an error
[07:53] keescook: what's it got to do with apache? mythweb
works fine except for the session stuff
[07:54] pepsiman: ah, perhaps I misunderstood. what's is the
problem you're seeing?
[07:54] "MythWeb doesn't remember recorded program sort order,
upcoming recordings display settings, etc."
[07:55] this sounds like a bug that was reported a bit back
[07:55] yeah, I must have totally misunderstood it. Can you
add some details on what you'd expect and what happens to that bug
report?
[07:55] I reported it in March
[07:55] mkrufky, i see okay
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[07:56] but the more firmware that gets into the kernel, the
less of a need for this spec in the first place
[07:56] superm1: even still -- you dont need the module to be
loaded -- you can cross ref the subsystem ids against the module tables,
and then just use modinfo without even having to load the module
[07:56] firmware doesnt "get into the kernel"
[07:56] well kernel package :)
[07:57] ship "with" the kernel
[07:57] ok, thats better :-) ...
[08:00] keescook: done
[08:01] ok superml, i did the dmesg tac and the response shows
ivtv, ivtv0, sda, etc... i don't even see the saa7134
[08:01] * superm1
[08:03] seabag, you sould have seen cx25840, wmv 8775, tunre,
tveeprom,
[08:03] and probably a few others
[08:04] ah ok i see those. toss 'em all i n?
[08:04] as long as nothing else is using them, it wouldn't hurt
[08:04] you can check with lsmod
[08:05] gotcha. brb!
[08:08] DaveMorris, did you ever submit bug 83884 upstream?
[08:08] Launchpad bug 83884 in mythplugins "Mythfrontend crashes
after MythMusic completes a music database scan" [Undecided,Incomplete]
https://launchpad.net/bugs/83884
[08:09] superm1, stupid question but should i include sda, usb,
tuner...?
[08:09] No don't use those first two
[08:09] tuner is fine
[08:09] poss not, I've been kinda sleeping on that job
[08:10] well it needs a backtrace first anyway
[08:10] but if that mp3 file on the tracker can reproduce it, a
backtrace is easy to make
[08:10] if I had it'll be added to the bug report
[08:10] mkay
[08:10] did you guys sort out those apport stack traces
[08:10] ?
[08:11] oh right. i had forgotten about that spec
[08:11] laga, once you finish up the trunk packaging lets sort
that out okay?
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[08:21] superm1, still same as before. mplayer /dev/video0 shows
up now but still blank window
[08:21] seabag, did you restart after the first failed attempt?
[08:22] yes
[08:23] seabag, you might want to bring your question up to the
ivtv mailing list then, see if any of them have some further suggestions
[08:23] i'm parched
[08:24] hmm
[08:24] well thank you very much, you helped me get halfway!
[08:25] i've been glaring at this PC since eh, january or so :D
[08:25] superm1: bug #126812 has the debdiff for by-path
handling of v4l devices. I'll get it confirmed by the maintainer.
[08:25] Launchpad bug 126812 in udev "video4linux devices have no
static mapping" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126812
[08:25] good luck :) if you get the second half sorted out,
please let us know so we can add it to the wiki and tell others :)
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[08:25] aha ok definitely. i was going to ask you how i could
help out in this matter. will do!!
[08:26] alright keescook, i'll build this and my patch later
this evening
[08:26] here goes nothin. cya!
[08:26] cya seabag
[08:26] i'll let you know how things turn out
[08:30] cool, this looks good
[08:31] keescook, do you know how to process the rules after
reinstalling udev on a live box?
[08:31] root@cube:/dev/v4l/by-path# ls -l
[08:31] total 0
[08:31] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-07-18 11:28 pci-
0000:01:06.0-cx8800 -> ../../video0
[08:31] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2007-07-18 11:28 pci-
0000:01:07.0-ivtv -> ../../video24
[08:31] superm1: I don't. :( I rebooted. :P
[08:31] because i'll likely have to do this off a live cd
[08:31] hm.
[08:31] that does look very good
[08:31] er, actually
[08:32] video24 should be video1 ... hmm
[08:32] oh right. hm
[08:32] I wonder how I give preference?
[08:32] also, what about the vbi devices
[08:33] the rule currently ignores them (just check for
video*, I think I'll switch to video[0-9] )
[08:33] so won't work work with more than 10 cards :)
[08:34] right. any idea how the video24 is built?
[08:34] i.e. how ivtv decides to start counting at 24 for the
other bits?
[08:34] ivtv creates i think 4 device minors
[08:34] better yet, what _is_ video24?
[08:34] i have a video0, video24, and video32
[08:34] from a pvr-150
[08:35] the pvr350 makes one more
[08:35] video24 is for radio
[08:36] keescook,
http://ivtvdriver.org/viewcvs/ivtv/branches/0.10/doc/README.devices?view=
markup
[08:38] wow. there isn't a sane way to handle all that. ugly
v4l.
[08:39] superm1, talking to my buddy with the ppc, says
the live disk works fine on his ibook. Everything works but the wireless
OOB.
[08:40] This is one instance though and i suppose other
models could be different
[08:40] tgm4883_laptop, okay great. i'll bug my roomate to
install debootstrap (he's a gentoo guy, so he'll have to give me a chroot
to work with) to build it
[08:40] sweet
[08:41] i wonder if gentoo has a pbuilder/sbuild ebuild. if
so, then i can even build ubiquity and such through it
[08:41] still waiting on the guy from the forums to get
back to me, then we will have a survey of 2
[08:43] guys, sorry... . been very busy here
[08:44] video24 is RGB, as opposed to mpeg
[08:44] ( i think )
[08:44] i get them confused
[08:44] mkrufky, it's in that readme i linked keescook to
[08:44] superm1, perhaps the problem was with the ati
vid card, and not the ppc
[08:44] i was a bit confused too
[08:44] or a combination of the two
[08:44] tgm4883_laptop, the problem is the monitor timing
typically
[08:44] ah
[08:44] pvr350 adds a video48, that is raw video input to the
decoder (tv out) ... video16 is mpeg input to the decoder (tv out)
[08:45] oh, oops... readme's are better than a babbling mkrufky
;-)
[08:45] the only way I can work around this is to ignore
video10 and higher. :(
[08:46] that sucks
[08:46] well actually that should be an okay solution for the
problem attempting to solve
[08:46] what id somebody actually had 16 raw capture devices
attached?
[08:46] s/id/if
[08:46] lol
[08:46] superm1: yeah.
[08:47] if someone really has more than 10 video capture
devices, i'd like to see how their IO in the system takes to that in the
first place
[08:47] im not an expert on how those sysfs paths work.... but
wouldnt it be better to fix the v4l core code to create those paths
instead of patching udev, distro-specific?
[08:48] superm1: i've read of people with > 12 DVB capture
devices.... i couldnt imagine any need for that many raw video devices,
but just because i dont see the need doesnt mean somebody else might try
it
[08:49] well dvb i can see - but raw capture no. ivtv has a
strict limit at 10 cards anyhow
[08:50] mkrufky: yeah, this is limited only to video[0-9]
devices for the moment.
[08:50] ivtv has a limit of 10 cards? any idea why?
[08:50] (yeah, i havent seen any motherboards with 10 pci
slots, but besides that...)
[08:51] well but you can have a pvr-500
[08:51] which provides two cards
[08:51] er actually the hard limit is 12
[08:51] not 10
[08:51] yeah, 12 makes more sense, then
[08:51] not sure why its there, but its listed in the readme
[08:51] why does 12 make more sense?
[08:51] i'll ask hans when i see him next
[08:51] 12 makes more sense, because i have seen mb;s with up
to 6 pci slots
[08:52] 10 just seemed to be a random number
[08:52] superm1: debdiff updated:
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8519911/udev_113-0ubuntu6.debdiff
[08:52] .... but then again, there are those pci extenders...
not that they would work well at all
=== superm1 really thinks someone who has 12 cards actively recording,
needs to find a new hobby
[08:52] root@cube:/dev/v4l/by-path# ls -l
[08:52] total 0
[08:52] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-07-18 11:48 pci-
0000:01:06.0-cx8800 -> ../../video0
[08:52] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-07-18 11:48 pci-
0000:01:07.0-ivtv -> ../../video1
[08:53] there, that gives us sane symlinks in a sane
configuration. :(
[08:53] er :)
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=== tgm4883_laptop hi pot, this is kettle. Your black
[08:53] i agree with you, superm1 ... except for the fact that
linux does exist so that those people can built whetever they want out of
their pcs
[08:53] brb
[08:56] tgm4883_laptop: heh. I figured 4 lines wasn't
[08:56] "large text"
[08:56] :)
[08:56] :)\
[08:57] your fine with that
[08:58] well i think i know how i'll test this later. i'll
just kill two birds with one stone, and rebuild a new mythbuntu disk to
test a few other changes with these added in
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[08:58] :P
[08:59] well its large text on my 640x480 res laptop
[08:59] foxbuntu, 640x480. are you kidding?
[08:59] superm1: yup
[09:00] laga, did that change of adding the prefilled sql value
translate over well to trunk?
[09:00] or will it need to be reworked for additional items
that are added
[09:00] superm1: i have not tried them on a vanilla install of
mythbuntu. :(
[09:00] let's take a look...
[09:01] i don't know how sql values are stored for the storage
groups
[09:01] rather than the recordings directory
[09:01] so i'd expect some level of breakage there
[09:01] looks like epgdata.com has data for germany, austria,
switzerland, netherlands, UK, spain, france and italy. not all channels,
of course, but at least the main channels
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[09:06] superm1: i don't expect breakage.
[09:07] superm1: there's a "DBSchemaVer" entry in the settings
table.
[09:07] i believe your sql file has it, too.
[09:07] well so it would upgrade the first time *any* myth app
is ran?
[09:07] or just mythtv-setup
[09:08] looking at the code right now...
[09:08] well, still grepping :)
[09:08] the idea was supposed to be that you can install
mythtv, and not have to run mythtv-setup unless you wanted to add a tuner
[09:08] so someone only wanting to use mythvideo or mythmusic
could
[09:09] libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp handles database upgrades
[09:09] hum
[09:10] (personally, i would not use mythtv for mythvideo or
mythmusic only, but OK)
[09:10] i guess it'll be fine.
[09:10] well probably not mythmusic only
[09:10] more likely mythvideo only
[09:10] heh
[09:10] i've seen a few forum posts about people wanting to do
that
[09:10] which is what pre-empted the idea
[09:10] right
[09:10] now if some method of automatic tuner detection could
be added, then this can probably be taken a step further
[09:11] true
[09:11] someone would literally be able to install mythtv, and
then watch tv from it. if they wanted guide data, or to change defaults
they could open mythtv-setup
[09:12] i'll try to get mythweb sorted out ASAP, but the grabber
is taking up a lot of my time as well
[09:12] heh
[09:12] i'm surprised my changes didn't transliterate right
over
[09:12] you're forgetting about channel tuning info
[09:12] oh right.
[09:12] superm1: i must have broken something during the merge, i
guess.
[09:12] what's happening to you now?
[09:13] it's still hanging ;)
[09:13] same as before
[09:13] i should try on a fresh install
[09:13] and you made sure that you caught my #DEBHELPER# tags
[09:14] and my extra . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
[09:14] i'll keep that in mind when i review the merge again,
thanks
[09:15] i've gotta run now, lady's waiting ;)
[09:15] laga, can you push really quick
[09:15] before you leave?
[09:15] ok
[09:15] i'll see if i catch it
[09:17] will files in "unknown" state be committed as well?=
[09:17] no
[09:17] bzr add
[09:17] and then they will
[09:17] don't forget to bzr commit; bzr push if your not bound
to the branch (i'm not sure if you are)
[09:17] rather than just bzr commit
[09:18] i believe i'm bound to i
[09:18] t
[09:18] FYI, mythweather-revamp was merged back to trunk
[09:18] really.
[09:18] okay so then when we switch, my patch can be dropped
[09:20] yup
[09:20] i'm pushing now
[09:20] okay great
[09:20] thanks
[09:21] my mythplugin tree is not bound to the launchpad branch
[09:21] weird..
[09:21] well i'm glad i mentioned that then :)
[09:22] no worries, i notice when it asks me for my password for
my private key
[09:22] to push?
[09:22] (i almosed pushed the mythtv tree instead of mythplugins,
that's why i got confused)
[09:22] yes
[09:22] too lazy to set up ssh-agent
[09:22] weird
[09:22] why would it
[09:22] oh
[09:22] my private key is protected with a password
[09:22] if you weren't kde based, you could get seahorse
[09:23] superm1: FYI, i commented out some stuff in those
mythweb.* files during debugging
[09:23] well i'll see if i can catch it
[09:24] thanks, it's much appreciated
[09:25] afk
[09:25] cya
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[09:49] superm1: whoa, what a weird error from PPA
[09:51] So what is the use of PPA, if i'm not able to use it
for test builds.....
[09:51] that's very annoying
[09:56] hey..
[09:57] hey Kenzu_
[09:58] i'am testing boot times on my 2gb mythbuntu stick and my
512mb larch stick
[09:58] so far larch is 2.30min fra power on to playing tv
[09:59] 2.30min fra power?
[10:01] and mythbuntu 4.10min from power on
[10:01] and the 2gb stick has better read times than the 512mb
[10:01] similar performance on both though?
[10:02] almost... on mythbuntu it crashes when exiting the guide
when xvmc is active... but it works fine om larch with xvmc
[10:03] that's interesting
[10:05] and 4.10 was wrong
[10:05] it was 4.37
[10:05] Kenzu_, did you install bootchart?
[10:06] no
[10:06] just stopwatch in my hand
[10:07] well bootchart will explain where the hold up is
[10:07] it generates a graph
[10:07] showing the slow parts
[10:07] in /var/SOMETHING/bootchart
[10:07] dont remember where in var
[10:07] but its i nthere
[10:08] hdparm -t on 2gb is 15,29mb/sec
[10:08] hdparm -t on 512mb is 10,96mb/sec
[10:09] the slow part is loading initrd.img
[10:09] on mythbuntu it's the first 2.30 min
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[10:11] I could make a dd of larch and put the image on my
server if you will test it
[10:12] wow 2.3 minutes for the initrd??
[10:12] that would be the effect of usb 1 loading it i would
say
[10:12] how long is larch's initrd load
[10:13] 1.30 ca
[10:13] can you compare the size of the two initrds?
[10:14] initrd on larch is 2,2mb and mythbuntu i 6,7mb
[10:14] so that's the primary problem
[10:14] okay so then there is the hold up
[10:15] now how that can be resolved is another problem
[10:15] a special mythbuntu initrd?
[10:15] well what do you take out of it?
[10:15] because its supposed to be generic enough to handle a
large variety of hardware
[10:15] or maybe a special mythbuntu-usb initrd
[10:16] my guess would be the larch initrd won't work on such a
large variety of boxes
[10:17] larch used udev in the initrd
[10:17] what does ubuntu do?
[10:18] it's pretty smart...
[10:18] don't know
[10:18] it's called mkinitcpio on larch
[10:18] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mkinitcpio
[10:19] wow that looks pretty neat
[10:20] ya... it's made by an archlinux developer
[10:21] perhaps you should propose a spec on this for ubuntu to
use this (which would mean mythbuntu too)
[10:21] that would help the boot process across the board on a
variety of boxes
[10:21] I like arch linux so much, but I also like ubuntu
(because everything just works and is a full desktop from start)
[10:22] archlinux is simple as hell
[10:22] what is arch's advantages then outside this?
[10:22] speed... and simple config files
[10:22] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others
[10:23] and simple package making
[10:23] well package making is simple in ubuntu
[10:23] you just need to read a little about it :)
[10:23] !packagingguide
[10:23] The packaging guide is at
http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a
package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:25] the problem with ubuntu is that it's hard to get under
the hood... becuase it has to fit everybodys needs
[10:26] well i'm not sure what you mean by under the hood?
[10:26] commandline stuff and boot stuff
[10:27] it's hard to strip down and make a custom boot
[10:27] well i would have to disagree there
[10:27] all the init scripts are customizable
[10:27] in different run levels
[10:27] or maybe i'am not that smart
[10:28] if you want to customize the initrd, that is doable as
well
[10:28] its a conf file and one command
[10:28] to change whats loaded in it
[10:29] !mythtv
[10:29] MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for
using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[10:29] hmm... maybe it's just me
[10:29] ;-)
[10:31] Kenzu_, see /etc/initramfs-tools
[10:32] you can list exactly what modules you want in
initramfs.conf
[10:33] and then run update-initramfs
[10:33] and it will regenerate based on what you change
[10:34] keescook, the weird thing is it was accepted to
~superm1
[10:34] PPA
[10:34] superm1: yeah, did it just auto-retry, or did you do
something special?
[10:34] well the first time i submitted it to ~ubuntu-mythtv
[10:34] the second time i submitted it to ~superm1
[10:35] i think that ~ubuntu-mythtv's ppa needs to be activated
manually or something
[10:35] hunh. but you're in the ubuntu-mythtv group...
[10:35] oooh
[10:35] whereas ~superm1 had it activated automatically
[10:35] sometime back
[10:45] now ideally - it would be really cool to use these
ppa's for building mythbuntu applications before they hit the archives,
or possibly for 0.20-fixes weekly builds. depending how clean this build
process is with ppa .
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[11:59] superm1 where on line are those screen shots you
passed me before?
[12:00] DaveMorris,
http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-
screenshots/mythbuntu-live-autostart/
[12:00] for the three plugins pages, there will be 3 types
[12:00] NONE, NFS, SMB
[12:00] if NFS or SMB is activated, share and server are
editable
[12:01] if SMB is activated "Use Authentication" is editable
[12:01] if "Use Authentication" is activated, User name and
password are editable
[12:01] wowow ... is that stuff in the current mythbuntu
release?
[12:02] on the master backend tab, either "Successful" or
"Failure" will be output underneath the botom of the MySQL Server box
[12:02] mkrufky, that is going to be in alpha 3 provided i have
the gui working right :)
[12:02] the python command line code for it works as expected
[12:02] that looks great... i'll have to give that a try once
ready
[12:02] but you will be able to use the disk as a live frontend
and save changes to a flash drive
[12:03] eg, plug inthe flash drive, boot the cd, and it starts
everything for you
[12:03] mounts shares etc
[12:03] no, the ones you showed me ages ago
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[12:04] thats exactly what i'd like .... except that i'd use a
CF disk instead
[12:04] mkrufky, as long as it mounts by gnome-volume-manager
in /media
[12:04] i'd love to rip that hard disk out of my mythfrontend
box and replace it with CF
[12:04] automatically
[12:04] does it?
[12:04] it would just boot as a regular IDE disk
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summer
[12:05] well you can do it that way too, but that prettified
gui is for live cd boot- something a little different is planned for the
install version
[12:05] i wrote this howto a few years ago:
[12:05] http://techsounds.org/linux/cf/
[12:05] this was before i got involved with v4l/dvb ... but it
works very well
[12:05] looks pretty straightforward too
[12:06] DaveMorris, which screenshots are you talking about?
[12:06] VERY simple
[12:06] you can look a directory up above that one
[12:06] for my last set
[12:06] that i took
[12:06] superm1 the screenshots of the splash screen, and
ubquity
[12:06] that looks like the ones
[12:07] look a directory above
[12:07] and see if those are what you mean
[12:09] I'm lazy, whats the wget syntax to get *.png from a
url dir ?
[12:09] ok, i gotta run ... cu guys later
[12:09] cya mkrufky
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[12:09] DaveMorris, don't know off hand
[12:09] just click them
[12:09] and see if those are it
[12:09] they are
[12:10] but I'm too lazy to click on them all to download